On the off chance you haven't seen anything about this before now, I think it's going to be more fun if I don't tell you what the movie is about. (I figured it out as soon as I saw the tower, but if I hadn't seen that concept art the following scene would have been awesome).
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Heh, looks good.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
(If you hadn't heard of the movie before now, let me know and let me know if you figured out before the scene where it becomes obvious. I wanna know if anyone actually got the "full" impact of the scene in question).
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I hadn't heard of this movie before you posted the link. Do you mean before it became obvious that this was about Rapunzel? I figured it out when I saw the tower. What do you mean by "full" impact?
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
I got what it was about from your first post.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Yeah. By "full" impact I mean experiencing the scene along with the thief character, getting a brief "WTF?" moment before realizing "Oh, Rapunzel." I had a feeling the tower gave it away no matter what, but was hoping someone might not get it in time.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Apparently just mentioning "tower" is spoiler-fail. Meh. Sadness.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I have to admit that it looks about 75% likely to be terrible.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I have hope. I'm a big Zachary Levi fan. Not that that makes a huge bit of difference since the writing is the most important part, but I think I'll see it.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: I have to admit that it looks about 75% likely to be terrible.
I hated the voice acting, the editing, and the soundtrack. I dislike the animation, and am still completely unsure what the movie is about.
Chalk me up with Tom.
Posted by SenojRetep (Member # 8614) on :
On the spoiler-failure of the tower, I figured it was Rapunzel-based after knowing the title and seeing the promo poster (which is of the tower) when I first saw it a couple of months ago.
It seems to me like an Enchanted retread, except with less interesting, more "fun" characters. I'm not hopeful.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I guess I'm prejudiced in favor since I had independently started randomly wanting to see an action platformer Rapunzel video game shortly before learning about this movie, and while this isn't a video game, the way she uses her hair is even more awesome than I had imagined.
I AM sad that they aren't using the gorgeous painterly style that the original concept art was done in, but I think the animation they ended up with would have been fine if I wasn't comparing it to that.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
I remember seeing some concept art for this movie that looked lovely. Guess it was a little too nice.
It looks fine, and they have obviously done everything they can to make a movie about a trapped girl with long hair appeal to boys. Which fair enough, as the Prince in Rapunzel has to be the more active character, since he's out there in the world.
Posted by sinflower (Member # 12228) on :
As Disney movies go, this appears to be pretty good about not buying into conventional gender roles. But is Rapunzel meant to look like she's approximately 12 years old?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I'll be optimistic I like how they're deconstructing/reconstructing the old stuff.
Maybe I've seen too much anime but to me she seems 17 ish.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
I'll wait for the reviews; I could go either way on this one. But wasn't I hearing at some point that the style for this one was going for something more original and painting-like? This looks like pretty standard CGI to me (though I'll grant a certain grudging admiration for their confidence in their "hair" rig.)
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bella Bee: I remember seeing some concept art for this movie that looked lovely. Guess it was a little too nice.
It looks fine, and they have obviously done everything they can to make a movie about a trapped girl with long hair appeal to boys. Which fair enough, as the Prince in Rapunzel has to be the more active character, since he's out there in the world.
From what I read earlier tonight, that's exactly what they're trying to do. The role of the Prince, and even the title, which was changed from "Rapunzel" to "Tangled" were specifically chosen to appeal to boys after "The Princess and the Frog" didn't do as well as Disney had hoped, mostly because, they surmised, boys avoided it for being too princess-centric.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
quote:Originally posted by Bella Bee: I remember seeing some concept art for this movie that looked lovely. Guess it was a little too nice.
It looks fine, and they have obviously done everything they can to make a movie about a trapped girl with long hair appeal to boys. Which fair enough, as the Prince in Rapunzel has to be the more active character, since he's out there in the world.
From what I read earlier tonight, that's exactly what they're trying to do. The role of the Prince, and even the title, which was changed from "Rapunzel" to "Tangled" were specifically chosen to appeal to boys after "The Princess and the Frog" didn't do as well as Disney had hoped, mostly because, they surmised, boys avoided it for being too princess-centric.
Sleeping Beauty for so many reasons should have been the model they followed. Drawn like a medieval painting, characters that appeal to both genders and heck age groups, a fantastic villain, a good story, etc.
It didn't do well financially, but I submit it's a quality movie.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
quote:It didn't do well financially, but I submit it's a quality movie.
(un?)fortnately, this is what matters. Though I DO think it could have been plenty good and financially successful if they had used the Roccoco (sp?) style.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I was fairly hopeful about this movie until it got to the line "best day ever" where Rapunzel is swinging around the tree by her hair. I don't know; it just gave me that vibe that they've probably tried too hard to make it "relevant" to "today's kids" and screw good storytelling.
And, Mandy Moore? *sigh* I will be a much happier girl when Hollywood realizes that voice actors are voice actors for a reason.
ETA: Although, I think Hollywood actors *can* do an excellent job as voice talent, it's usually because they're comedians in the first place, or famous for a really interesting/eccentric voice. Like the team of David Spade, John Goodman, Patrick Warburton, and Eartha Kitt in The Emperor's New Groove.
Posted by happymann (Member # 9559) on :
I was shocked, SHOCKED!, to find out that they didn't keep Kristen Chenoweth as the voice of Rapunzel. Her's is definitely a voice to work with.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I'm alittle thrown off by the CGI style and character designs, especially for the "Prince/Thief." He looks like someone straight out of "Road to El Dorado."
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
This is definitely feeling like the most Dreamworks of Disney movies, but that's not so much bad as weird. I do agree Kristen Chenoweth would have been awesome.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:ETA: Although, I think Hollywood actors *can* do an excellent job as voice talent, it's usually because they're comedians in the first place, or famous for a really interesting/eccentric voice. Like the team of David Spade, John Goodman, Patrick Warburton, and Eartha Kitt in The Emperor's New Groove.
I won't say it's the "best" Disney movie, but Emperor's New Groove is my favorite. There are movies that I think have a better story, or are better put together, but I repeatedly watch that one far more often. Yzma and Kronk are hilarious villains.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Ack, you quoted my comma splice before I could fix it.
Anyway, I feel the same way about Groove. Maybe not the best, but definitely the most fun. I put The Goofy Movie in this category.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by PSI Teleport: I was fairly hopeful about this movie until it got to the line "best day ever" where Rapunzel is swinging around the tree by her hair. I don't know; it just gave me that vibe that they've probably tried too hard to make it "relevant" to "today's kids" and screw good storytelling.
And, Mandy Moore? *sigh* I will be a much happier girl when Hollywood realizes that voice actors are voice actors for a reason.
ETA: Although, I think Hollywood actors *can* do an excellent job as voice talent, it's usually because they're comedians in the first place, or famous for a really interesting/eccentric voice. Like the team of David Spade, John Goodman, Patrick Warburton, and Eartha Kitt in The Emperor's New Groove.
This is incorrect many serious actors have also done VA work just look at any Miyuzaki movie, like Ponyo which had Matt Damon among others.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
PSI's point was that actors who may be good at acting on screen might not make good voice talent.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: I have to admit that it looks about 75% likely to be terrible.
I was thinking closer to 90 percent.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I can understand people not thinking it looks all that great, but I'm a little baffled as to why people are already jumping on the "it's gonna suck royally" wagon.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I think it looked funny, and my wife and I will probably go see it.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. I just think that, judging from the trailer, it doesn't look good.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I have noticed that when I search for news about "Tangled," there are quite a few people who have sat in test audiences and say the trailer does not represent the movie at all. Supposedly, Alan Menken is doing the music and the story is very much a throwback to the Disney princess stories but just in CGI. Hopefully the trailer is just a stupid move by the marketing people.
Personally, if Alan Menken is doing broadway style Disney music, I am back onboard.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
quote:the trailer does not represent the movie at all
Lord no, say it ain't so!
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
My problem is that the concept art let me hope that we were getting an epic masterpiece that would hold up with the greats for decades to come. Instead, I get something that looks like Puss in Boots and Donkey hit the road.
Don't get me wrong, I liked Shrek. I was just hoping for more of a Pinocchio.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: PSI's point was that actors who may be good at acting on screen might not make good voice talent.
The use of A-list actors as voice talent is, I think, directly related to the effort to sell animated films to adults. I think possibly Aladdin was one of the earliest examples of this actually working well- I recall my dad really enjoying the movie when he took us as kids, and that was mostly to do with Robin Williams and a writing style that was a bit more grown up.
It's also no longer necessary to be able to sing to carry a animated picture as voice talent. Up till a decade ago, Disney made a lot of musicals.