So, I had to say something eventually, but trying to avoid red 40, has brought distress amongst me and my girlfriend..... Not even mentioning the OTHER poisonous food dye's...
Anyone else think it's on purpose? Red 40 is in- Coolaid (advertised to kids) Prenatal Vitamins (this pissed me off to the extreme, since my girlfriend was taking them (stopped after reading the lable)) Many snacks (advertised to kids)
And much more....
I don't get it! Why do we need coolaid to be red????? Why the hell does the prenatal vitamin need to be red?! Why do snacks have to be red aswell?!
Why is it that these companies poison children, and get away with it...
Seriously, at one point in time the red M&M disapeared due to the problems that come along with the dye.
Unfortunetly it's not just red dye either, it's many others that are uselessly put into food with no obvious perpuse than coloring the food.
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
quote:A 2007 report from Southampton University questioned the safety of Azo food dyes in 3 year old and 8-9 year old children
quote:The study found that increased levels of hyperactivity and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and lower IQs were observed in children.[6][7] Based on the study, the UK agency advises that cutting certain artificial colors (Sunset Yellow, Carmoisine, Tartrazine, Ponceau 4R, Quinoline Yellow WS, and Allura Red) from hyperactive children's diets might have some beneficial effects.[7]
Is it perhaps the sharing of genetic material with parents that allow their children 9 and under to partake in high amounts soda and sugary foods that causes low IQs? Perhaps the high sugary foods these dyes are typically in cause the hyperactivity?
I think moderation is key here.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
High sugar foods have not scientifically and conclusively been linked to hyperactivity.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
I was thinking more of the fact that, they (the dye's) are 'known' to cause problems, but they are still put into many useless things.....
Moderation is a crap, of course after a point everything is bad for you... I usually hear moderation and alcohol in the same sentence. Of which no one should be drinking in the first place.... I honestly cannot tell if I either care too much or not at all.. but bottom line is, people are typically stupid...
Main problem is ADHD's link to red 40, looking at my cousin's (I have many) they don't have any obvious ADHD signs in the family, and my cousins drank nothing but red coolaid growing up (ya bad parenting, but seriously vitiman C +flavors+colors+sugar+water isn't typically viewed as a bad thing expecially since children burn off the sugar pretty fast....
Anyways, I am to keep my child away from all these terrible things (ya), I have a thought in my mind that if my child were to develope any type of ADHD it would be mine, and it is not something I would want any kid to have...
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Perhaps the high sugary foods these dyes are typically in cause the hyperactivity?
Well, they did a double blind experiment giving both sets of children fruit juice, with one group getting the additives. That basically controls for sugar.
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: High sugar foods have not scientifically and conclusively been linked to hyperactivity.
Meh, kinda wrong, when I was younger and sugar was useful, I would go into hyperactive fits if I had too much, but the effect is only temporary. The hyperactivity being talked about is ADHD :3
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus:
quote:Perhaps the high sugary foods these dyes are typically in cause the hyperactivity?
Well, they did a double blind experiment giving both sets of children fruit juice, with one group getting the additives. That basically controls for sugar.
Ah, good find.
Posted by Herblay (Member # 11834) on :
So . . . the only study that found a problem showed a very statistically slight increase in hyperactivity in SOME children, and they recommended that it could be easily reversed in hyperactive children by avoiding the dye.
Why are you concerned? Saccharose is in almost everything you eat, and it has been shown in FAR more studies to have detrimental effects to health, including hyperactivity.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
In Europe these dye's have been banned ._. http://www.cspinet.org/fooddyes/ the fact that the snack company kellogs conforms show's just how desperate they are for easier money /:
Posted by Herblay (Member # 11834) on :
Hey, have you heard that aspartame changes into formaldehyde in your bloodstream? That's a good kick to get on. . . .
I feed my kids massive amounts of saccharin in their ice tea, myself. They are not hyper, of normal weight, and in the "no cavities club".
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
Ayeeee my grandma uses saccharin :OO The container has a warning on it "May cause cancer" Well at least they are honest :B
I think that a lot of the food companies are trying to get kids the ADHD I mean why else use these dye's are they seriously that much cheeper than other natural colors(the kind without side effects either)?? ----------------------- The fact that there is Red 40 in prenatal vitamins proves even more suspicious than anything.
Posted by Herblay (Member # 11834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain: In Europe these dye's have been banned ._. http://www.cspinet.org/fooddyes/ the fact that the snack company kellogs conforms show's just how desperate they are for easier money /:
Yeah, but you're quoting a lobbyist group while most of the others here are quoting the science behind the bans. A lot of non-harmful or minimally harmful substances have been banned.
Have you read the articles linked above?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: High sugar foods have not scientifically and conclusively been linked to hyperactivity.
Latest research actually counters that argument completely, with the findings that there was no difference in activity levels between the high sugar and control groups.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Herblay: Hey, have you heard that aspartame changes into formaldehyde in your bloodstream? That's a good kick to get on. . . .
I feed my kids massive amounts of saccharin in their ice tea, myself. They are not hyper, of normal weight, and in the "no cavities club".
quote: With regards to formaldehyde, it is rapidly converted in the body, and the amounts of formaldehyde from the metabolism of aspartame is trivial when compared to the amounts produced routinely by the human body and from other foods and drugs.[4] Ingesting aspartame at the 90th percentile of intake would produce 25 times less methanol than would be considered toxic
quote: Reviews have found no association between aspartame and cancer. These reviews have looked at numerous carcinogenicity studies in animals, epidemiologic studies in humans, as well as in vitro genotoxicity studies. These studies have found no significant evidence that aspartame causes cancer in animals, damages the genome, or causes cancer in humans at doses currently used.[4][47][49] This position is supported by multiple regulatory agencies like the FDA[56] and EFSA as well as scientific bodies such as the National Cancer Institute.[55] Concern about possible carcinogenic properties of aspartame was originally raised and popularized in the mainstream media by John Olney in 1970s and again in 1996 by suggesting that aspartame may be related to brain tumors. Reviews have found that these concerns were flawed, due to reliance on the ecological fallacy[57] and the purported mechanism of causing tumors being unlikely to actually cause cancer. Independent agencies such as the FDA and National Cancer Institute have reanalyzed multiple studies based on these worries and found no association between aspartame and brain cancer.[
quote: One review noted the Ramazzini Foundation relied on science by press conference with the release of results through the media before being published in a proper peer-reviewed journal, helping fuel the controversy and publicity about the study in the media
From the same link......
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I bet the same websites you get your info from say that vaccines cause autism too. Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
If this is supposed to be about crap that's bad for you, you can stop talking about aspartame and start talking about bisphenol-a, the controversy du jour which actually has some meat on its bones.
Posted by Herblay (Member # 11834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kwea: I bet the same websites you get your info from say that vaccines cause autism too.
Uhm . . . I was being sarcastic with the whole asparatame link. That's why I posted the Wikipedia.
Cool, though. My step-sister is one of those new-age healing nuts that had been arguing against her niece getting surgery for severe scoliosis for years. Her mom just got her the surgery, and my step-sister freaked out. She was going to heal the girl with massage therapy and good intentions.
Ehh, I take my health advice from the government and base it on actual science . All of these nut-job scare tactics are for the birds. Even a few reasonably safe OTC's are banned because of over-cautious government (ephedrine, spice, etc).
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Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
quote: Originally posted by Phanto: High sugar foods have not scientifically and conclusively been linked to hyperactivity.
Latest research actually counters that argument completely, with the findings that there was no difference in activity levels between the high sugar and control groups.
Not sure where we are disagreeing.
Me: Sugar ! link to hyperactivity You: You're wrong, there is ! difference between activity of high and control sugar groups
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. All of these nut-job scare tactics are for the birds. Even a few reasonably safe OTC's are banned because of over-cautious government (ephedrine, spice, etc).