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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Intous4, Large, model 840, its the 'Large' one and is like 1.5-2 feet long by 1 foot.

I'm excited, apparently at the warehouse I ordered it from the guy there will ALWAYS mark all packages as express shipping even if I didn't order it that way so I got it in under a day.

I saved like 200$ on it as well, in Quebec retailer stores its like 660$ I got it for like 460$ from Ontario from NCIX wholeseller.

*rubs hands in eager anticipation*

Now I just need to figure out which one of the bazillion programs I should use with it.

Edit: Interesting tidbit, this tablet was actually illegal to purchase in Quebec (or rather illegal for the stores to stock it) as it violates Quebec's language laws by lacking as best as I can tell, french lettering on the box.

[ October 04, 2011, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: Blayne Bradley ]
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
In related news, I suddenly realized I can [i]put my 21 inch Cintiq in my lap, AND rest the keyboard on it.[/url] And I had been looking for a place to shout my excitement to the internet, but didn't want to update my facebook status yet because I wanted the old one to attract more attention. And then saw this thread. So... yay.

Life just became more awesome.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
And all thanks to me. :smug: [Big Grin] [Wink]
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
for cartoons and sketching photoshop, illustrator or Autodesk® SketchBook?

Oh oh... I have two screens and the tablet is assuming both of them... Thats not good.

[ January 16, 2011, 12:52 AM: Message edited by: Blayne Bradley ]
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
[IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/20p6dxj.jpg[/IMG]

fixed the screen issue.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://i55.tinypic.com/2mgnvqr.jpg

more art
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://i51.tinypic.com/i70bc7.jpg
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
What program are you using? The greatest strength of a tablet is the ability to adjust the thickness/opacity based on pressure sensitivity. You can create some pretty snazzy looking stuff if you move beyond the single pixel line drawing.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Autodesk Sketchbook Pro.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://i51.tinypic.com/zlak3b.jpg
 
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
 
I've heard great things about Corel Painter for simulating physical media with a tablet.
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
I just saw a guy on the train with a Toshiba Tablet PC. I suddenly want one really bad, and for the price I paid to fix my computer last month, I could have almost gotten one apparently.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Upset girl: http://i53.tinypic.com/i39g61.png

Emo girl: http://i55.tinypic.com/23vzvcw.png
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
[IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/s0zr4g.png[/IMG]

new

still cant quite get faces right.
 
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
These are pretty good. Far better than I was able to do when I first started with my little Bamboo.

There are a couple problems with proportion, structure, perspective, and facial structure in your latest picture, but by no means is it egregious. I've sent you an e-mail with some quick edits I made to the image that might help you with your future drawings.

Best of luck!
 
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
 
Blayne: Upset/Emo Girl are not bad. Keep it up! [Smile]
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://i56.tinypic.com/fn7cyb.png

NEW!!!
 
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
 
Nice, Blayne. Love the shading.
 
Posted by JanitorBlade (Member # 12343) on :
 
Good job tracing that picture. That's the first step to being able to replicate the principles yourself.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
No ones asking about why is she wearing sneakers [Frown]
 
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
 
Ah so.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://i53.tinypic.com/5wdon6.png

As you were saying BB ^-^
 
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
 
You're getting there. The proportions are still a little off and she looks kind of stiff.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://i53.tinypic.com/2nizi54.png

Heres another.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://i54.tinypic.com/260qv52.jpg


Two steps forward one step back as they say.
 
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
 
So why is she wearing sneakers?

a) Nike paid promotion
b) She's dressing up but lives in the present
c) The real answer?
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
The real answer is that I've never owned a pair of nikes in my life (my budget for shoes is around 20$ per year) so I thought it'ld be neat, I've always viewed them as very posh.

In character though assuming I go through with the Doctor Who spinoff manga I want to write she's from the past Edo era Japan but once she's in the present/modern day she becomes enamored with sneakers and wears them all the time as being "really" comfortable.

Sneakers are cool.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
[IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/23jlvg3.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/6h728k.jpg[/IMG]


some more stuff.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
[IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/2lvdylt.jpg[/IMG]

Damn the human hand!
 
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
Quick tip for hands: If you have a digital camera, take a picture of yourself with your hand in the shape and at the angle you want to draw. Then use it as a reference. If you don't have a camera, keep a small mirror next to your drawing station and you can do the same thing there. If you don't have a small mirror, you can use the bathroom mirror, sketch your hand, then take that sketch with you to the computer and reproduce it digitally.

In short, just get a reference. Hands are beastly things for me without a reference and I pretty much refuse to draw them without one.

Otherwise you're making a great deal of progress. The clothes are coming along nicely and you're doing pretty well on the 3rd dimension with feet. Keep it up!

ETA: I think the quickest fix you could make is to simply erase some of the lines you've made for the fingers on the character's left hand. The palms are just way too small. Look at your own hand and you should notice that the length of your palm should be about the length of your middle finger. In the picture you have the palm about half the size of the fingers.

I also tend to use the head/face of a character for size comparisons on hands. Your hand be about half the size of your face. His look to be about 1/3, maybe 1/4.
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
I finally got something done. Eventually I decided that as comfy as the Cintiq-in-lap is, it's not good for my posture at all and it's better if I just use it like an easel.

I have no idea if this picture will actually register here. It's from my facebook, but it's the direct link to the image instead of my facebook page:

Kriftin, the half-dwarf half-troll earthstoker

I am not that good at hands or feet, but I made them blobby and covered with fire so it didn't matter so much. Kriftin is my friend's RPG character. He has a long, sad backstory. (It's more sad for the people he met than for him though)
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
Also, Blayne: IMG tags don't work here, you should probably just link the URL.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
I suddenly feel a whole lot less accomplished >_<

The img tags is because of how TinyPic does its highlighting, it highlights automatically the whole thing including the tags so when I copy and paste it includes them, I don't put them there because I think it works.
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
You could edit them out. (I guess I can see that you were doing that earlier and then got fed up with it)

For the record, I've been pretty impressed with the rate your improving.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Thanks!
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
BTW, a HUUUGE strength of the wacom tablet is the ability to do interesting things with color. You should try some experimenting with that, it'll make your stuff feel a lot more complete.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
MangaStudio Ex which I use isn't very good with color, it's meant for manga which is traditionally black and white.
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
I thought you said you use Sketchbook? I think there's a free version.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Well my goal is to draw manga and sans color features MS is splendid for everything I need or want to do, such as more comprehensible interface and user friendly layers (I use dozens).
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
Haven't actually used Sketchbook's layer system so I can't comment there. (I normally use photoshop. Can't really imagine how you'd make the layers simpler than that). I just know a lot of people who were learning, doing about what you're doing now, and then suddenly they tried something with color and they were like HOLY CRAP, I can do THAT!!????!!
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
I can imagine but the most I use in terms of color is tones which MangaStudio has inbuilt support for.

http://i53.tinypic.com/mtbhaf.jpg

New.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
You really should play with color, by the way. It's fun. [Smile]
 
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Raymond Arnold:
I thought you said you use Sketchbook? I think there's a free version.

When you said there was a free version I went straight into google looking for it. I found a trial for it and started playing around. It's a lot of fun. It is quite userfriendly and the layer interface works great for me. Thanks for the recommendation.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
same girl, less tracing involved.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2dkwg1x.jpg
 
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
 
Hey, Raymond you got a a lot of good things going on in that character portrait. I especially like the reflections in the left (viewer's left) shoulder.

I think if you were to darken up the right side of the ribcage some, it'd increase the overall effectiveness a bit, but it's really nice color work.
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
I actually don't consider it near done at all, but I got to a point where I was like, "you know, if I'm going to spend this much effort on a piece, it should probably be of a guy in a more exciting pose." This was originally supposed to be a concept sketch in preparation for an actual full page composition with multiple characters. I'm going to move on to the other individual characters and try to do them in ways that look good but are simpler.

I agree with the ribcage comment. I also feel like the feet and hands need a lot of work in general, if I wanted to polish it more.
 
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
 
I actually rather like the hand supporting the stone. It's evocative of both a claw and of fire, which is very effecive.

I'd focus on that right leg. I think he's supposed to be walking, but the angle there's a bit off.

EDIT - although, if you're going for a group shot, worrying about the feet might not be the best use of your time.
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
I suck at drawing feet, period, so it's something I should be practicing. The character in question has particularly weird feet though. So maybe it's not worth the effort.

Another older picture of the same character: http://psycosmworlds.com/gallery3.html

My friend recently was listening to the Rhianna/Eminem song about domestic violence and was inspired in particular by the line "that's what happens when a Volcano hits a Tornado." His character is a violent rage-caster (gets more and more magical power the angrier he gets) that channels energy into to the earth to create volcanic activity. He wanted to have a romantic interest who was also a rage-caster, but channeled her energy into icy storms. The piece I'm working on is intended showcase the two of them.

Edit (the character in the first pic I posted here is supposed to be standing still, just in a weirdly dramatic pose that people don't normally stand in. I picked the pose mostly out of laziness)

[ February 03, 2011, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Raymond Arnold ]
 
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
 
You definitely didn't make your life easy with those hand and feet designs. [Big Grin]

Looking at pictures of dinosaur feet might be helpful.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://i51.tinypic.com/2mitg3.jpg

proportions still look a little off to me but I think its now within acceptable margin of errors, hands are still flipping me the bird but I'm making some headway and I just about got shoes down.

Also decided to experiment with integrating line numbers with my line-stick-figure modeling and I think its working out as an improved frame of reference.
 
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
Definitely a great deal of improvement. Honestly, the only major problem I see with the hands is that they're um... backwards.

Thumbs go toward the body at that angle.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://i51.tinypic.com/3499j45.jpg


OMG! Hands look half decent!

Though the eyes look a little narrow, but i screwed up and did it on the wrong layers so no way to easily move them >_<
 
Posted by ColtelloMer (Member # 11779) on :
 
Here is something I did a few days ago. link
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
First Comic page!!!

600 pixels, I think, I don't remember, either that or 800-900
[spoiler]
http://i52.tinypic.com/9puj5c.jpg
[/spoiler]

1060pixel (wide) version.

[spoiler]
http://i56.tinypic.com/2vdfoz7.jpg
[/spoiler]

I specified 1200 dpi for both.


CONTEXT: This is going to be a part of my After Action Reports for that big 14 player Multiplayer game I play with King of Men each saturday, the girl who I forgot to name, "OrangeYoshi" who is Croatia (Basically all of Yugoslavia, Hungary, Romania and Poland) and King of Men who is Byzantium.

The in-joke is that Yoshi and King of Men have been fighting over who is the True Owner of Constantinople for about half the game so this is meant to satirize it.

I forgot to add speed lines [Frown]
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
Definitely big improvements.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
I got Manga For Dummies today, whats awesome about it is that it actually goes into detail on how to draw body parts that the other books either lacked or did it in a very specific shojo style when I want something more generic manga that I can develop from.
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
I'm going to the Indie Game Festival next week, and made this artwork for the back of my business card:

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/185769_1795044589909_1053519925_32061047_1765509_n.jpg

The brick ended up looking a little too real and I didn't have time to turn it more cartoony, but at actual print size I think it looks okay.
 
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
 
I think it works well. There's a pretty established history of cartoony figures set in relatively realistic backgrounds.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://i53.tinypic.com/ohvcsw.jpg

new picture, figured out that I was drawing hips/shoulders a little wide which seemed to be aging up my characters.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
My totally accurate self portrait!

http://i53.tinypic.com/1zv4dc0.jpg


If only I had hands!
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
I made some more sketches of myself, I've learned a bunch of things.

http://i56.tinypic.com/11jvejo.jpg

http://risingsunbound.com/sketches/scan0008.jpg

http://risingsunbound.com/sketches/RSB1.jpg

Also I registered for myself a domain though nothing much is on it except for a couple of pictures and temp storage.

I've decided on a procedure of where I'll do most of the rough work on pencil and paper and then scan it into the computer where I'll do "Inking" and cleanup and adding details that could be difficult to add with a mechanical pencil.

Speaking of which, mechanical pencils rock. It's great not having to sharpen the dang thing.

I've generally also determined that the wire mesh drawing method of where you draw a rough "skeleton" of the character to pose it and then add in layers of detail isn't too helpful and very time consuming. Better to just skip and practice sketching the body/clothes straight away, although the wiremesh can be useful for complex poses to get an idea.

Also I think I might have hands and feet figured out per se; mostly related to my overall breakthrough in being able to draw. Since I'm no longer "concerned" with getting it "right" so to speak on paper and can be messier in shaping the sketch and erasing extraneous stuff it progresses alot faster.

Essentially what I'm trying to say is that I was far too perfectionist at first, I had the mindset of where "if I can't do it right the first time then start over" which was a huge hamper. Now that I no longer in theory worry about getting it right the first time I can now be free to work on getting it right as a finished product overtime, screwing around and experimenting.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Moar stuff.

http://risingsunbound.com/sketches/scan0009.jpg
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
Horndog And Watchdog
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
Aaanndd.... finished.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Alright been a while since I updated this thread as I've been doing most of my posting at sakeriver.

http://risingsunbound.com/sketches/sketchgirl_face06.jpg

http://risingsunbound.com/sketches/sketchgirl04.jpg

http://risingsunbound.com/sketches/sketchgirl_face03.jpg

http://risingsunbound.com/sketches/sketchgirl_face01.jpg

I'm glad to say that I'm more or less at the point where I just have this urge to draw whenever I have idle hands.

I have a domain now but I haven't made a site yet.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
http://risingsunbound.com/sketches/selfsketch02.jpg

moar sketches, this time of myself.
 


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