By the way, I recommend Rothfuss' novels if you like fantasy. I really enjoyed Name of the Wind and will be buying the sequel as soon as I finish a re-read of it.
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
Wait, if Nathan Fillion is serious.... I'll buy Patrick Rothfuss' book and if there was a donation box I'd probably kick in an extra $100.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Firefly: The Next Generation?
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
All week people have been telling me to read Rothfuss and this may be the perfect reason to listen to them.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
Rights to Firefly... abandoned missile silo...
That's a tough call.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Warning - I didn't notice until a second read that there is some profanity on the page. Didn't see it before, sorry.
The open letter to Fillion is pretty SFW.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
... I think I just became a fan of Rothfuss' work without ever reading a printed word of his.
Firefly: The Next Generation, to boldly go where some others had already been but didnt really take to.
Buy the silo and film in it. Problem solved.
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
As long as Nathan Fillion doesn't try to get Fox to pick it up....Well, unless Fox realizes the mistake it made.
I wouldn't mind it being an HBO show though... Or even Starz....They did a really good job with Spartacus.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shanna: All week people have been telling me to read Rothfuss and this may be the perfect reason to listen to them.
On top of his first book being one of the best fantasy books I have ever read? And I read like crazy?
Try him, I think you would like his books.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nighthawk: Rights to Firefly... abandoned missile silo...
That's a tough call.
Not really. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Is he going to make the show for cost or something? Seems somewhat silly for everyone else to help Fillion buy a show that Fillion then profits off of. We might as well form the Firefly Production Corporation and all have shares in ownership. Otherwise, I have no interest in paying for an actor to get the rights to a show, no matter how much I like it.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
In that beautiful alternate universe in which Firefly goes back into production...would all the same cast return?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I don't possibly see how. Half the cast is doing something else.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
It's over, everyone. It's sad, but it's true. It's all over. It's been seven years, at least.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:It's all over. It's been seven years, at least.
Two words: Star Trek.
quote:Seems somewhat silly for everyone else to help Fillion buy a show that Fillion then profits off of.
There are other motives. My first impression when I heard this was that Rothfuss was guaranteeing his next book would sell...
quote:.. I think I just became a fan of Rothfuss' work without ever reading a printed word of his.
...yeah, like that.
quote:Half the cast is doing something else.
Including Fillion. And other cast members have suggested they'd make themselves available if the show was relaunched. Most actors are not so busy that they can't juggle multiple projects. Look at James Franco.
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
Well, Adam Baldwin might be available if Chuck gets cancelled. V is probably done so Morena will be available. I don't know what Jewel is really doing. The Cape is not going to make it so Summer Glau should be available too. Nathan is really the only one whose show probably won't get canned in the next couple of years, but by the time the project would get started Castle may have already ended.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
Jewel has stated pretty emphatically she would be there in a heartbeat.
Posted by Sean Monahan (Member # 9334) on :
And the others don't have to have nothing else to do in order to be available. Actors often juggle multiple projects.
I'd like the idea of episodes that take place between Season 1 and Serenity (even though they're all now 9 years older). I think Wash is my second favorite character.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Geraine: Well, Adam Baldwin might be available if Chuck gets cancelled. V is probably done so Morena will be available. I don't know what Jewel is really doing. The Cape is not going to make it so Summer Glau should be available too. Nathan is really the only one whose show probably won't get canned in the next couple of years, but by the time the project would get started Castle may have already ended.
If Chuck has to get canceled to bring Firefly back to life then I'm abandoning the cause. I love Chuck, and Adam Baldwin is far more John Casey to me know than he is Jayne Cobb.
V isn't canceled by the way, it was renewed for a whole second season that just started airing in January.
And Castle has fantastic ratings. I can't see Fillion quitting.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
You know, I had agreed with katharina. The show ended. Joss got a second shot, and it wasn't enough.
But, then, Glenn mentioned Star Trek. And now I'm like "ahh..." I don't believe it'll happen. I really don't. But if it did, I'd be there for them in a heartbeat.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah well, Next Gen had a totally new cast.
Round up a new crew and see if people like it just as much.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I don't know that Rothfuss had dollar signs in his eyes when he posted this. He was already guaranteed to sell tons of copies anyway. I'd been hearing about Name of the Wind for a while and put off reading it because I felt kind of burned out on traditional fantasy.
Then I broke down and read it and had to say "OK, yeah, it's pretty good."
Been waiting for the sequel for a while and excited about it. I'm re-reading the Name right now and then I will get it.
Besides, if I'm not mistaken this is not the first time Rothfuss has mentioned Firefly. I seem to remember something else on his blog about it - he's been a fan of it a long time. I think he's sincere, not just trying to cash in.
But if he is trying to cash in, then he just shows that in addition to writing talent he has some business acumen too. Good for him. Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
My understanding is that Serenity was planned to be the first movie of a trilogy...if there is any more to be made, they should finish the story. *cries 'cause there would be no Wash*
I'm okay...
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
Not only no Wash, no Alan Tudyk at all. It regularly depresses me that Tudyk is not in all the shows and movies I watch.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
quote:(even though they're all now 9 years older)
Oh god, you're right. I watched it for the first time (on borrowed DVDs from our very own Twinky) in my first year university room.
It seems like yesterday. I should watch it again.
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Is he going to make the show for cost or something? Seems somewhat silly for everyone else to help Fillion buy a show that Fillion then profits off of.
I was under the impression that Fillion said he would distribute it free on the internet.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:Yeah well, Next Gen had a totally new cast.
Next Gen wasn't only reboot of Star Trek.
quote:even though they're all now 9 years older
And the Star Trek cast was 10 years older when the movie came out. Then they made 5 more movies.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
At least Star Trek had three seasons, the precedent for a one season show being revived would be less Star Trek than Battlestar Galactica or V (and in either precedent, Nathan Fillon showing up as an embittered prisoner who threatens the new characters )
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Here's the website for the project. It's turning into a fan project to buy the rights to Firefly. So far they have over $1,000,000 pledged from fans. They just unveiled their big plan. They're going to form a corporation, ask fans for $100 a share and try to buy the rights to Firefly. So far the reaction seems positive.
Part of me actually suspects that it would be possible to get the money together to buy the rights, and maybe even to actually make something out of it.
But it'll still never happen. No way is this shadowy group going to pull it off. And no way is Joss going to come back, or all the actors.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
I think that perhaps instead of trying to get up enough money to buy the rights outright from Fox, they should try to buy the rights to make more, giving up all rights to sales of existing Firefly/Serenity properties.
Fox makes a lot of money in syndication (Firefly "premiered" on Science Channel last night) and in dvd sales, and will be hugely reluctant to release them. But since they are not all that interested in making new movies/shows, to sell the rights to make more, they get profit from the sale AND if it is successful they get added sales on the property they retain without risking any money in development.
As to Joss and the crew returning, I'm pretty sure that each and everyone of them has publicly declared that they would come back in the drop of a hat.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Well, Joss did say that Firefly's first cancellation broke his heart. And that he's changed since then. I don't know that he would, but I think the others would.
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: If Chuck has to get canceled to bring Firefly back to life then I'm abandoning the cause. I love Chuck, and Adam Baldwin is far more John Casey to me know than he is Jayne Cobb.
V isn't canceled by the way, it was renewed for a whole second season that just started airing in January.
And Castle has fantastic ratings. I can't see Fillion quitting.
V isn't going to make it to a third season. The viewership just isn't there.
Chuck is probably my favorite show on TV right now, and I pray it doesn't get cancelled. Last I heard though it is on the brink (again)
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Mostly, Fox won't sell the rights to Firefly because they are still making money off of merchandise, dark horse comics, and other ventures. Also it takes way more money than these people are able to put together to make even one episode of a new Firefly show. Also also, there's not really a mention of Joss.
I for one would love to see a remake of the series, most likely with a completely new cast and new stories, but this isn't really the way to do it.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Yeah, probably that comment makes a lot of sense. I'd wondered about the viability. But I'd sort of figured it was worth a shot of those in the know thought they had one. I think I'll watch and let the discussion play out.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I haven't read anything about any of this really, other than this thread, but wouldn't the continuing support of Firefly by the masses make Fox want to sell it ess because there is still money to be made from it?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Stone_Wolf: As to Joss and the crew returning, I'm pretty sure that each and everyone of them has publicly declared that they would come back in the drop of a hat.
They'd quit the shows they're currently on to run back to Firefly? I've never heard any of them say that. A bunch of them aren't particularly busy at the moment, but I don't see Baldwin and Fillion leaving their shows for Firefly.
quote:Geraine: Chuck is probably my favorite show on TV right now, and I pray it doesn't get cancelled. Last I heard though it is on the brink (again)
You might see Chuck listed as a bubble show, but I lean towards renewal. This is the first time in three seasons that the creators of the show aren't holding their collective breaths for renewal. Maybe that'll bite them in the butt and they'll get canceled, but between the partnership with Subway, the reduction in costs, and the incredibly steady viewership (there aren't a lot of them, but they're all in the right demographic, and they show up EVERY week), NBC is likely to keep it going as a steady performer, unlike their plan of late to create a dozen new shows only to have 11 of them flop in the first season. Signs point to a yes for its renewal, especially after it was picked up for the full season order. Ratings are so bad at NBC right now that they can't afford to get rid of a steady performer, even if under normal circumstances that performance would merit cancellation. One more season and I won't throw a hissy fit if it's canceled. 5 Seasons is a good run for a great show, and they'll have a whole season to tie it all up. Conceivably they could probably tie it up at the end of this season with what's happening on the show, but I want one more.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
NBC does have one big advantage as far as I'm concerned. They've got a ton of their shows up On Demand. All my Fox shows I love are suddenly gone. And since I'm taking a 7-8:15 class on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I'm not getting a chance to catch up.
So I've learned to love Outsourced instead.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
HelpNathanBuyFirefly.com has posted that they're closing down.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
quote:They'd quit the shows they're currently on to run back to Firefly? I've never heard any of them say that. A bunch of them aren't particularly busy at the moment, but I don't see Baldwin and Fillion leaving their shows for Firefly.
I never said they would drop what they are doing, just that they expressed interest in making more. The implications of such are unknown. As some other posters in this thread have pointed out, actors/directors can work on more then one project at a time.
As to it being possible...you never know. I think there are still long odds against our favorite little ship flying again, but with Hollywood desperately seeking content, resurrecting every single superhero they can get their hands on one must wonder how long it will take the execs at Fox to say, hey, I know a franchise that already has an active fan base.
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
Hey, Family Guy was brought back after it was cancelled. Who's to say Firefly can't do the same? I don't really know of another sci fi show that was cancelled that has such a devoted fanbase dedicated to bringing it back.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Um... Star Trek?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Well, every scifi show that isn't still in production has been canceled. I think it's safe to say that Star Trek overall has a larger and more devoted fan base than Firefly.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Well, every scifi show that isn't still in production has been canceled.
Tautology for the win!
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
I'm a big fan of how most anime is purchased for one season, and then finishes at the end of the season. I feel that reduces many of the problems US series have with output consistency and story pacing (notably the "when on earth will the main romantic pairing get together?" question).
It also means that most anime isn't so much "canceled" as "finished", something few shows in the US can really say -- even if they have a finale that wraps a lot of things up, it was often chosen after some sort of cancellation decision (internal or external).
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Yep. And occasionally that can lead to some amazing endings.
Other times, and it's surprising just how often this happens, the endings still suck. But at least they're endings, usually. Even if they're endings without an actual ending.
That happens alot with series that are based on longer intellectual properties, like manga or novels.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by fugu13: I'm a big fan of how most anime is purchased for one season, and then finishes at the end of the season. I feel that reduces many of the problems US series have with output consistency and story pacing (notably the "when on earth will the main romantic pairing get together?" question).
It also means that most anime isn't so much "canceled" as "finished", something few shows in the US can really say -- even if they have a finale that wraps a lot of things up, it was often chosen after some sort of cancellation decision (internal or external).
Completely agree. In general, storytelling is much better when there's a beginning, a middle and an end. Instead, as long as it stays profitable, most American TV shows seem to keep going on forever.
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