Roughly T-minus five hours now. Giddiness is starting to ensue!
This will be our open thread to discuss the show as it airs, so please no spoilers before the air time of the show.
[ May 02, 2011, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: Belle ]
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Well that was an opener!
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
Next week should be interesting.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
That was literally a jaw dropper.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
That was very, very good. Very clever, very sharp, very shocking.
I might be worried that it was a bit dark, but I love how this show doesn't talk down to kids. (Although this is probably about as grown-up as this show should ever go.)
How ever will they get out of this one?
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
My kids were frightened a bit. That is a scary, creepy monster in the same vein as the weeping angels.
I'm very, very excited for next week!
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Finally got to see it tonight. Very cool. Definitely looking forward to next week.
I'm disappointed that BBC stopped playing the entire series in order, though. There are several with the 10th Doctor and Donna that I haven't seen.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Wow!! I'm betting they don't resolve this one until the end of the season.
SPOILER!!! .
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I wonder if River Song kills 11 forcing him to regenerate before he reaches age 1103, she would prevent the events at the opening of this season.
[ April 25, 2011, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
Interesting theory!
Somehow, judging from River's sad, 'Of course not' when she was firing at the astronaut, I'm guessing that she can't create paradox (or she now believes that she can't). Although clearly, she wants to.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Why would killing the astronaut have created a paradox? It had already killed the doctor. It seems much simpler to presume that "Of course not", meant "Of course an alien being capable of killing The Doctor would be impervious to something as primative as bullets."
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
It seems that I can never watch a new Doctor Who episode with commercials again.
Or rather, I CAN, I just refuse to.
Great episode, though. Much better when I downloaded a version that wasn't edited to pieces for BMW advertisements.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Javert: It seems that I can never watch a new Doctor Who episode with commercials again.
Or rather, I CAN, I just refuse to.
Same here. I'd much rather pay the itunes subscription fee than watch commercials. I generally avoid illegal downloads as I think the artists who create any show worth watching, deserve to be paid for their work.
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: ]Same here. I'd much rather pay the itunes subscription fee than watch commercials. I generally avoid illegal downloads as I think the artists who create any show worth watching, deserve to be paid for their work.
Agreed. I paid the iTunes half-season pass.
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
"Illegal downloads" is murky when it comes to TV, at least for broadcast TV. The shows are broadcast on public airwaves, it's legal to time- and place-shift TV shows, and it's legal to use devices that remove or skip commercials. The artists don't make a penny less when I pull it down as a torrent rather than TIVO it.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by MattP: "Illegal downloads" is murky when it comes to TV, at least for broadcast TV. The shows are broadcast on public airwaves, it's legal to time- and place-shift TV shows, and it's legal to use devices that remove or skip commercials. The artists don't make a penny less when I pull it down as a torrent rather than TIVO it.
It's not in the least bit murky legally, though I can see the ethical question is a bit more problematic. As long as TV has been around, its been possible to walk out of the room during the commercials. Advertisers know they don't have a captive audience. To the best of my knowledge, TIVO doesn't automatically edit out commercials. They are recorded and you could choose to watch them. If your typical torrent included the ads, I say there was no difference, but they generally don't.
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
My thoughts on the first episode:
1. These new aliens scare the heeby jeebies out of me.
2. It seems like a very possible option to have River Song kill someone we really like (The Doctor, Rory, Amy), and that's why she's in prison.
(I had some weird suspicion that it was River in the space suit, but that doesn't make sense)
3. If 2 is the case, preventing that from ever happening, and re-writing time will likely be a very important part of the episode, or even possibley season
4. I hope none of my predictions are the case, cause that's some serious business. I wish there were a few more cute silly bits like last season's premier.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
The aliens scared us too. I was sitting there with my kids and I said "Wow, these aliens are really creepy." My ten year old daughter then looked at me quizzically and said "What aliens?"
I have always thought River killed the Doctor, or Rory. The "best man she's ever known?" "A very good man?" All these things that are said about who she kills - it has to be we are going to care about and that's Rory or the Doctor.
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: it has to be we are going to care about and that's Rory or the Doctor.
Or someone we haven't met yet. Depends entirely on how far ahead the writers are working from.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Yeah. I think I posted this before, but it could, for example, be a (reformed) Master that she kills in the future.
The alien tech that they were looking at... was it like the alien tech in The Lodger?... in which case it makes me wonder if the little girl's voice is a decoy like in that episode.
(And, heck, maybe that means it's Clive in the spacesuit.)
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: I have always thought River killed the Doctor, or Rory. The "best man she's ever known?" "A very good man?" All these things that are said about who she kills - it has to be we are going to care about and that's Rory or the Doctor.
It has to be The Doctor. Given the rapturous way she talks about the doctor, they are going to have to pretty radically alter her character to make me believe "the best man she's ever known" could be any one but The Doctor.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Why would killing the astronaut have created a paradox? It had already killed the doctor.
Yes and no. Hence, paradox.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Why would killing the astronaut have created a paradox? It had already killed the doctor.
Yes and no. Hence, paradox.
Clear as mud.
What would be changed if River had killed the astronaut? Why would that create a paradox?
Unless the Astronaut is a younger River Song (which is highly speculative), I don't see how killing the Astronaut creates a paradox.
[ April 26, 2011, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
I don't think River killed the doctor because she is in prison for it. I think it unlikely that she would go to prison for killing a Time Lord. Who would have jurisdiction over that? And if he regnerates, is it really murder? Esp if it is to save his life?
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
quote: Unless the Astronaut is a younger River Song (which is highly speculative), I don't see how killing the Astronaut creates a paradox.
Well (supposing that it's not River in the spacesuit, and considering that River is a time traveller), all it would take would be for her to know who is in the suit - and to have met them at some point in time after they killed the Doctor.
So she would know that they survived this particular event.
It's all speculation. It was just odd that she said 'of course not' so sadly, as if she already knew that what she was trying to do was impossible. Although, of course, there could be hundreds of other motivations.
I'm sure we'll find out sometime this year!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
SPOILER WARNING: . . . . . Holy crow! Amy's having a Schroedinger's Cat! And how is her kid a Time Lord? (I'm assuming that's her kid, given the photo.) Here's my theory. The kid turns out to be the first Time Lord, made that way by all the TARDISing while she was in the womb.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
Maybe the thread should be changed to "Doctor Who Season 6."
My reaction to episode 2: "That was, that was, wow."
I'm definitely going to watch this one again (not tonight though). I'm not going to spoiler anything, except to say that after last week I was wondering what effect traveling in a TARDIS would have on a developing baby.
Oh, and that last bit? It made me think of the Chrestomanci stories, how Christopher Chant kept using up lives without realizing it.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaySedai: I'm not going to spoiler anything, except to say that after last week I was wondering what effect traveling in a TARDIS would have on a developing baby.
See, and that never even occurred to me.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: SPOILER WARNING: . . . . . Holy crow! Amy's having a Schroedinger's Cat! And how is her kid a Time Lord? (I'm assuming that's her kid, given the photo.) Here's my theory. The kid turns out to be the first Time Lord, made that way by all the TARDISing while she was in the womb.
Obviously not, Time Lord history is fairly specific about its origins; its more likely some kind of clone with TL dna; invirtro alien insemination/fertilization if you will. Clearly its purpose is to end the universe somehow.
I'ld like to see Omega return.
Posted by Aros (Member # 4873) on :
Spoilers . . . . . . . I think that the pregnancy is just supposed to throw you off. The Timelord child isn't Rory / Amy's. I don't think that time travel would freakin turn a human into a Timelord -- there are many other time-travelers in the DW universe that were never affected like that (or they wouldn't have to wear the fancy watches -- they would have just bred new time-traveling races).
My money's on last year's speculation . . . it's the Rani. The Doctor has regenerated as old and young . . . why not even younger. Or maybe it's a regeneration of the Doctor's daughter or granddaughter, Jenny or Susan.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
This post is FULL OF SPOILERS.
I liked that Amy and Rory are being adorable to each other and she said 'I love you', even if she is still being obscure about it and not telling him important stuff.
And River and the Doctor's reaction to that kiss was funny and heartbreaking, and you just know that one day he's going to kiss her for the first time, and it'll be his last. But the moment when they meet somewhere between their respective endings will be explosive! It's also interesting that, from both of their current perspectives, they have already watched the other die - it gives a whole new meaning to the idea of borrowed time. It reminds me of Marty and Doc and the Libyans - someone's going to be wearing a flak jacket.
'But I can fix that.' This little girl is more than just Time Lord. She's a little bit Doctor. I wonder what she looks like after the regeneration.
If the baby photo was real, then poor Amy. She just keeps forgetting all about the ones she loves, doesn't she?
If the baby was conceived in the Tardis, that might make her wink in and out of reality. There hasn't been a lot of sex going on in the Tardis up until Amy and Rory. If there was a fifty-fifty chance of pregnancy or not, maybe you get both. If so, I just wonder how the show is going to explain this to six year olds!
The children's home scenes were about the scariest thing on this show since Blink.
So for the last forty years everyone's been killing Silents and then forgetting about it? I wonder what they're doing with all the bodies - it would be hard to forget about that, considering the smell.
ETA: 'I think she's dreaming.' That whole moment with the lady with the eyepatch was like something out of LOST, or The Prisoner. Maybe none of this is real, or what they think it is, at all.
[ May 01, 2011, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: Bella Bee ]
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bella Bee: The children's home scenes were about the scariest thing on this show since Blink.
For my taste, they were scarier.
quote:Originally posted by Bella Bee: So for the last forty years everyone's been killing Silents and then forgetting about it? I wonder what they're doing with all the bodies - it would be hard to forget about that, considering the smell.
I thought about that. Also, now we know why Nixon was so paranoid and why he recorded everything.
quote:Originally posted by Bella Bee: ETA: 'I think she's dreaming.' That whole moment with the lady with the eyepatch was like something out of LOST, or The Prisoner. Maybe none of this is real, or what they think it is, at all.
It made me think of the episode of Buffy where Buffy was really in a rubber room and just imagining the slaying stuff.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I like how Nixon reminded me of Londo Millari here.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Fun episode! Lots, lots more questions... the only one that really got answered was, what is The Silence... and even then, it's only a partial answer; we see them in 1969... and then they (mostly) got wiped off the Earth... but somehow they're going to survive to be an even bigger threat that can rip holes in space and time and control the TARDIS and all that, hmm.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by CaySedai: I'm not going to spoiler anything, except to say that after last week I was wondering what effect traveling in a TARDIS would have on a developing baby.
See, and that never even occurred to me.
And not just the TARDIS itself, but other planets, with different kinds of radiation, for example.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
River's dance of death was beautiful.
Also, if you look at the photos in the little girl's room, some of them look different enough that they could be her post-regeneration.
(Although I'm getting tired of calling her the little girl. Until proven otherwise, I'm going to call her Amy Jr.)
And the kiss was so sad. That explains why she never tried to kiss him before.
Posted by ReddwarfVII (Member # 8879) on :
Well, here's a thought worth considering. The little girl is Doctor Song? Amy and Rory's daughter..maybe?
Or the little girl is the daughter of the Doctor and River Song?
Still I think that it looks like Steven Moffat is about to start rebuilding the Time Lord race or something.
Also, I wonder if this is going to tie into the new Torchwood series coming up.
Oh, btw, if you didn't catch it, the Tardis confirmed that Amy is pregnant.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
quote:Oh, btw, if you didn't catch it, the Tardis confirmed that Amy is pregnant
no it didn't.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kama:
quote:Oh, btw, if you didn't catch it, the Tardis confirmed that Amy is pregnant
no it didn't.
Well, it did and it didn't. That's what I meant that she's having a Schroedinger's Cat. It kept flipping from positive to negative and back again. Which means that it's indeterminate, I guess.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
exactly. that means it didn't confirm it (nor did it deny it)
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Well, it did and it didn't. That's what I meant that she's having a Schroedinger's Cat. It kept flipping from positive to negative and back again. Which means that it's indeterminate, I guess.
The baby is wibbly-wobbly, apparently.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
I know it happens in real life, but it would be rather disturbing to go into labor with no idea that you were even pregnant - which seems like Amy's likely fate at some point.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Javert:
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Well, it did and it didn't. That's what I meant that she's having a Schroedinger's Cat. It kept flipping from positive to negative and back again. Which means that it's indeterminate, I guess.
The baby is wibbly-wobbly, apparently.
And timey-wimey.
Posted by ReddwarfVII (Member # 8879) on :
Just watched it again....
Yeah I could for timey-wimey, wibble-wobbly.
Okay, so the girl. Amy's daughter, River's daughter or someone completely different altogether?
The Master perhaps?
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I love River. I just totally do.
I am sad about the relationship - the fact that it's the last time she will kiss the Doctor.
I still want to know who she is. We've now been given hints that she is just a human being - she spoke of being a young girl and the Doctor sweeping into her life. I'm so curious! I hope we find out this season but if we do does that mean no more River next season? I don't want to lose Alex Kingston from the show.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
Alex Kingston is awesome, and I've thought so since she was in ER (it helped that her character was meant to have grown up in the same town as me, but still).
The good news about the kissing thing - sad as it is - is that, since we're seeing their relationship backwards, there should be lots of kissing from now on! I could never imagine the Doctor in a relationship before, but those two make such a cute couple.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: I love River. I just totally do.
I am sad about the relationship - the fact that it's the last time she will kiss the Doctor.
I still want to know who she is. We've now been given hints that she is just a human being - she spoke of being a young girl and the Doctor sweeping into her life. I'm so curious! I hope we find out this season but if we do does that mean no more River next season? I don't want to lose Alex Kingston from the show.
It's The Time Traveler's Wife, except with both of them as time travelers. While it's true that the River Song we just saw will never kiss the Doctor again, her future is the previous eps we've seen with her. She didn't kiss him in The Big Bang, or with the Angels. And in fact, I think those are the only two times she's going to see him again before the final time, in his previous incarnation, when she dies.
Every time we see River from now on, though, she's going to be younger, and in a happy relationship with the Doctor. Eventually, it'll come to the Doctor's final encounter with River, which is when she first met him. He'll be used to her as his... wife or whatever, and yes, he'll sweep her off her feet. Much as she's done to him already.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: I still want to know who she is. We've now been given hints that she is just a human being - she spoke of being a young girl and the Doctor sweeping into her life.
Lots of planets have young girls.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
And whatever she did that landed her in prison probably happened after she met the Doctor. Which means that when she met the Doctor, he already knew she was going to wind up in jail, and why. That's harsh.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
I'm fairly certain the girl is The Master. Makes sense as the one who kills The Doctor, too. Remember his reaction before he dies.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
i'm fairly certain she's not Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
'I am The Master!' *swirls cape*
'No you're not, you're a tiny little girl. Here, have a jellybaby.'
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
Only now it would be a Jammie Dodger.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:The good news about the kissing thing - sad as it is - is that, since we're seeing their relationship backwards, there should be lots of kissing from now on! I could never imagine the Doctor in a relationship before, but those two make such a cute couple.
You are all taking the whole moving in opposite directions thing too literally. If this were actually true, then there would never be a point in time when they had both experienced the same events. The journals would never overlap. That isn't true. There is no reason to believe that because this is the first time The Doctor kisses river, its the last time she will kiss him.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
except she believes it.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kama: except she believes it.
There is no reason to believe she believes this in the literal way you guys are interpreting it. She knows that there are times when she and The Doctor meet up when they have shared experiences. She knows what she said isn't literally true.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
I mean she believes she'll never kiss him again.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kama: I mean she believes she'll never kiss him again.
I don't think that's at all clear. She knows that a day will come when they kiss for the last time. She clearly fears that day. I think her reaction was more consistent with fearing it would be her last kiss than it is with believing it would be their last kiss.
Posted by Jake (Member # 206) on :
Cross-posted from sake, but did anybody else notice the paintings on facing walls in the little girl's room? They seem to be of a woman holding up her skirts, but if you look at them upside-down, they look like portraits of members of The Silence.
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
Is anyone else wondering, how what looks like a physical child regenerates at all? And if she does, what does she regenerate into? Another physical child? The Doctor's apparent physiological age (if that's the right term) has fluctuated with each regeneration, but he was only ever a little child in his first incarnation. Is there a rule of Time Lord biology that they can only regenerate into a body that is somewhat similar in 'age'?
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
I seem to recall an episode where whatsherface, the Fourth Doctor's Time Lady companion, gets to decide what sort of appearance she wants when she regenerates. Of course, that ignores the question of whether a little kid, even a Time Kid, can handle suddenly being a grownup...
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Romana's regeneration from Romana I to Romana II was pretty goofy; all the DW writers since seem to have ignored it as best they could!
Posted by Amilia (Member # 8912) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:The good news about the kissing thing - sad as it is - is that, since we're seeing their relationship backwards, there should be lots of kissing from now on! I could never imagine the Doctor in a relationship before, but those two make such a cute couple.
You are all taking the whole moving in opposite directions thing too literally. If this were actually true, then there would never be a point in time when they had both experienced the same events. The journals would never overlap. That isn't true. There is no reason to believe that because this is the first time The Doctor kisses river, its the last time she will kiss him.
Yeah. Other than the first time he meets her being the last time she does, none of their other meetings have been in a strict chronological order. And in the Library, just before she dies, she talks about the last time she saw him: he showed up at her doorstep with flowers and a haircut and took her to the singing towers of where ever. I can't believe he would take her on a romantic date like that to say good bye and not kiss her.
Unless--When the Doctor died at the beginning of The Impossible Astronaut, time rewrote itself, and now all of River's memories of the Doctor from latter incarnations no longer exist. And in this new timeline, they really are living literally back to front.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
quote:Originally posted by Amilia: Unless--When the Doctor died at the beginning of The Impossible Astronaut, time rewrote itself, and now all of River's memories of the Doctor from latter incarnations no longer exist. And in this new timeline, they really are living literally back to front.
Rory remembers being the last centurion. So maybe River's memories wouldn't reset.
Question: In "The Time of Angels" doesn't the Doctor say something to River about being an archaelogist and she looks surprised or says something? I got the impression she wasn't one at that point. (I'll go check.) I bring this up because in "Day of the Moon" Rory asked her what kind of doctor she was and she answered "archaelogist" and put her gun back in the holster. So maybe they aren't completely back to front.
Also, the last meeting River has with the Doctor before the library is when he takes her someplace, and also gives her a sonic screwdriver. So they aren't completely back-to-front.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
He introduced her as "Professor River Song" and she replied "I'm going to become a professor?" or something like that.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
Yeah, I just saw that. Oh, well. There is still the meeting just before the library, which we haven't seen.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
I just have a feeling that over the last year or so Moffat has probably come up with some clever payoff to the 'backwards' relationship thing and from now on that's how he'll describe it to us. Until this episode, they just seemed to be meeting out of order.
But I get the sensation from this last episode that he's retconning that and hoping that no-one notices or minds too much.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bella Bee: I just have a feeling that over the last year or so Moffat has probably come up with some clever payoff to the 'backwards' relationship thing and from now on that's how he'll describe it to us. Until this episode, they just seemed to be meeting out of order.
But I get the sensation from this last episode that he's retconning that and hoping that no-one notices or minds too much.
If he's retconning it, he started off very badly by opening this season with 11 and River going through their journals in the cafe and then having Amy explain that they are syncing their diaries because they never meet in the right order. It's one thing to try to get away with retconning something done a couple seasons back and hoping people will miss the inconsistency. Its quite another to do it in the very same episode. Moffat's a better writer than that. At least, I hope so.
[ May 05, 2011, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]
Posted by Aris Katsaris (Member # 4596) on :
This really was a very bad two-parter where plot or coherence were involved. Some nice creepy moments, but they were moments, they didn't amount to a coherent something.
It pulled an explanation of last season's "Silence" mystery which was both out of its ass and doesn't have anything to do with anything that happened there, and then it decided to introduce a new mystery (the Astronaut) which didn't really seem to have anything to do with anything concerning the Silence aliens.
Within the two-parter itself there were unnecessary time-jumps -- why the gap of months between Part 1 & 2, why the time-jumps at the beginnig, and events that didn't seem to lead anywhere (shooting at the astronaut in part 1, the Doctor's death, etc, etc)
I don't have faith this will make sense, ever. I'm starting to think that Moffat is an excellent episode writer, but a terrible arc designer. Either that or he was just thrown random executive meddling (we want something in America, something with an astronaut perhaps, we want the Silence arc clumsily wrapped-up, and we want possible romantic/sexual implications with both River and Amy, and we want the Doctor dying for real, and we want in a single two-part episode, you have two days to write the whole thing, now start!)
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
Just popping in to say that I watched my first "Doctor Who" episode ever and loved it.
All thanks to my parent's cable selection of hundreds of channels including BBCAmerica.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
which episode, Shanna?
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
It was the one with the Starship UK. And there was one on right after with Winston Churchill and the Daleks.
I've been wanting to watch it forever but was intimidated because I didn't know where to start. But it was surprisingly easy to jump in at a random episode. I think within five minutes I had a big geeky grin plastered on my face.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
I think you should go back and watch season 5 from the beginning - there are things in the first episodes that become more important later on. And welcome to the "club."
Also, for those with Netflix, they now have seasons 1-5 altogether. The image is of the 11th doctor and Amy, but that's misleading. But you can catch up on the most recent seasons in order that way. They have the specials with David Tennant separately.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
quote: I don't have faith this will make sense, ever. I'm starting to think that Moffat is an excellent episode writer, but a terrible arc designer.
I am with you. I hope I am wrong, but I am getting the feeling that Moffat is more interested in a cool or memorable scene than consistency.
6.2 Spoiler:
For example, why was the Doctor tied up in Area 51? If Nixon was on his side and at his disposal, who put him in area 51 and why? Why pretend to hunt and kill Rory and Amy and go through the effort to be in that prison and how did the Tardis get there? Maybe something in those three months will explain it, but for now it feels like Moffat wanted some iconic shots and wrote the scenes to get those shots.
Great ideas...but I am a little worried about execution. This last episode (6.3) started off great but spiraled down to some truly cringe worthy moments.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
I figured that the dr wanted the Silence to be taken by surprise by what they were up to.
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
The reason the Doctor was tied up in Area 51 was that he needed to have that special material used to construct the prison so that he could talk to the other CIA agent without any silence around. There was no other way to make certain that the silence weren't around.
They needed a reason to bring the 4 of them together without alerting the Silence.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
A LIVING TIME LORD SIGNAL!?
Rani or the Master...
Posted by ReddwarfVII (Member # 8879) on :
There's also still the Doctor's daughter running around from the David Tennet episode called "The Doctor's Daughter". She did regen at the end of the episode.
Probably not. Especially since the actress is getting married to David Tennet.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
And they just had a baby.
But I think Jenny would be too obvious an answer. I hope Neil Gaiman has pulled out all the weird stops next week. When he's good, he's really good.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
So, so tired of the fake deaths. Counting the Doctor, this is five fake deaths in the first three episodes alone. Steven Moffat needs to cut it out. It loses impact when you do it every darn episode.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Agreed. How many times is Rory going to die anyway?
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: Agreed. How many times is Rory going to die anyway?
Agreed. Though I somewhat understand their reasoning. It's less about Rory dying than it is about Amy saving Rory, and putting an end to any possibility of a Doctor/Amy romantic pairing.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
quote:Originally posted by Javert:
quote:Originally posted by Belle: Agreed. How many times is Rory going to die anyway?
Agreed. Though I somewhat understand their reasoning. It's less about Rory dying than it is about Amy saving Rory, and putting an end to any possibility of a Doctor/Amy romantic pairing.
In the second episode, when amy and rory come out of the body bags, the Doctor pulls rory out first and gives him a hug before he goes to amy. I thought that was an intentional decision to help squash the amy/doctor romance stuff.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
quote:Agreed. How many times is Rory going to die anyway?
More times than Buffy, Jack Bauer and Harry Kim put together at this rate.
AMY: Doctor! Rory's dead again. THE DOCTOR: Don't worry. He does that.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by scholarette:
quote:Originally posted by Javert:
quote:Originally posted by Belle: Agreed. How many times is Rory going to die anyway?
Agreed. Though I somewhat understand their reasoning. It's less about Rory dying than it is about Amy saving Rory, and putting an end to any possibility of a Doctor/Amy romantic pairing.
In the second episode, when amy and rory come out of the body bags, the Doctor pulls rory out first and gives him a hug before he goes to amy. I thought that was an intentional decision to help squash the amy/doctor romance stuff.
He may be goofy, but he isn't an idiot.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
And Rory dies again in this episode.
What did you guys think of the Gaiman episode?
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
I liked it. I wish we knew even more about the Tardis.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
"Biting's excellent! It's like kissing only there's a winner."
LOL! Or,
"She the TARDIS. And she's a woman." "Did you wish really hard?"
So. Much. Love.
Also, now Time Lord genderswap is canon. NARF!
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: And Rory dies again in this episode.
What did you guys think of the Gaiman episode?
Gaiman is a master story teller.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
I liked the bunk beds line. As a kid, with a boring floor-level bed, I fully planned to have a bunk bed when I grew up.
It's a bed with a ladder!
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
There are some cool extras for this ep on teh BBC website:
Spoiler abound * * * * * So a Doctor doppelganger!! OMG!! What does that mean?
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
...It means we know who died in the first episode?
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote:Originally posted by lem: ...It means we know who died in the first episode?
Ahhh...
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
quote:Originally posted by lem: ...It means we know who died in the first episode?
If that actually happens, I will throw something at the TV. But I'm pretty sure there'll be more to it than that.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
**Spoiler**
I agree. It is too easy and "out" too early in the season. Smells more like an obvious red herring. However, I could see developing him as a Doctor equivalent who sacrifices himself so The Silence think the Doctor is dead.
Maybe it was the original Doctor in the space suite who shot the clone. Or maybe the original Doctor is the one who died and we are left with the clone so the audience has to come to terms that it truly is alive with a soul.
Just thoughts, not predictions.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
A couple of things that I wonder about - in "The Impossible Astronaut" when they are having the picnic, the Doctor says that he must have had wine before, then drinks and he hates it. But in "The Lodger," he drank wine and hated it then, too. So he didn't remember? Maybe because 200 years had passed ...
And in "The Doctor's Wife," when he tells the TARDIS that he borrowed her, she says, “Borrowing implies the eventual intention to return the thing that was taken. What makes you think I would ever give you back?” Is there possibly something the TARDIS could do to bring the Doctor back? The Master was brought back after death, although his return was messed up by Lucy Saxon.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
Unless the Doctor explicitly says that someone can't be brought back, they can be brought back. Also, if the Doctor says someone can't be brought back, they still can.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
CaySedai, remember that Doctor Who gets a new body every so often, metamorphosizing or metasticizing or something so he can be "renewed." So each new incarnation of the doctor may not know if he likes wine or not.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: CaySedai, remember that Doctor Who gets a new body every so often, metamorphosizing or metasticizing or something so he can be "renewed." So each new incarnation of the doctor may not know if he likes wine or not.
Irrelevant. All of CaySedai's examples were of the 11th Doctor.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
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I noticed that the doctor gets replicated before he loses his shoes. It's pretty obvious that the shoes are going to be the key between distinguishing between the real doctor (new shoes) and the doppelganger (old shoes). I went back and checked. The Doctor who was killed in episode 1 was wearing the old shoes. It might not mean anything, The Doctor could change his shoes hundreds of times over the course of 2 centuries, but then again it might. I'll be watching to see if The Doctor keeps the new shoes.
[ May 25, 2011, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaySedai: A couple of things that I wonder about - in "The Impossible Astronaut" when they are having the picnic, the Doctor says that he must have had wine before, then drinks and he hates it. But in "The Lodger," he drank wine and hated it then, too. So he didn't remember? Maybe because 200 years had passed ...
And in "The Doctor's Wife," when he tells the TARDIS that he borrowed her, she says, “Borrowing implies the eventual intention to return the thing that was taken. What makes you think I would ever give you back?” Is there possibly something the TARDIS could do to bring the Doctor back? The Master was brought back after death, although his return was messed up by Lucy Saxon.
The TARDIS saying that isn't meant to say she can keep him alive, but simply a simple witty boast to deflate his sales.
As for wine, the current Doctor is the ur example of the Cloud Cuckoolander spacecase, he does things like that all the time.
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
What's that?
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
I can tell you one thing - I'm getting tired of seeing Amy and Rory wearing the same outfits. Did the Doctor jettison the wardrobe, too?
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
I'm kind of tired of seeing Amy wearing outfits too.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
I think that would be an entirely different show.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
I think Rory's standard outfit should be an large orange parka.
Also, the Doctor really should change the password on the TARDIS. It seems like just about anyone can get in and mess with it now.
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Did people really think that the Pandorica double parter was any good? I thought it was terrible in a "none of this makes any sense from the central concept on down" sort of way.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky: I think Rory's standard outfit should be an large orange parka.
I think it should be an engineering/security uniform from the original Star Trek. Red shirt and all.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
"The Almost People" was shown today in the U.K. but will air next week in the U.S. I'm hoping it will still be on Amazon tomorrow ... I read a few comments about the show and am getting a bit anxious.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Lisa, how often does the doctor change bodies? If he lasts as much as 200 years at a time, then you could have all the events CaySedai talks about applying to one incarnation of Dr. Who. Even after 200 years, I think someone would remember if they like or dislike the taste of something. If you have a change of body in there, then that would reasonably explain such extreme forgetfulness.
Well, either that or else the writers weren't being reasonable. That happens too.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
Ron, I was referring to the 11th Doctor, so the same version, in other words. I thought it was odd that in one episode (The Lodger), he tries wine and doesn't like it. In a later episode (The Impossible Astronaut), 200 years in his future in the same regeneration, he drinks wine (saying he must have tried it in 1100+ years) and doesn't like it. I was wondering if there was a reason behind this (some clue or something that we'll understand later).
In my experience watching Doctor Who since the late '70s, when the Doctor regenerates, he changes appearance. When he changed to the 11th Doctor, he said "new body, new rules" to Amy about not knowing what he liked to eat. So I think it's highly unlikely that he would regenerate and still have the same appearance.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Well, the 10th Doctor did regenerate without changing his appearance. But presumably that didn't change his tastes, either.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
Wow. I really enjoyed the two-parter, and that last episode really shook everything up.
What a scary ending! Can't wait for next week!
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
It didn't show up on my Amazon video library. :-( So now, I can find it somewhere online or wait a week.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I'm on a cross-country trip and spotted a TARDIS7 license plate (along with other Doctor Who paraphernalia). Managed to snag a photo that I'll put online at some point.
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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Almost people was awesome, was actually plot important!
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
A friend has been recording some of this season's episodes of Doctor Who to send to me--since he knows I don't get BBC-America on my cable TV. I asked him if it were true that Doctor Who visits America, and he said yes--in the very first two-part episode, he visits President Richard Nixon in the White House to warn him about the aliens that you forget about as soon as you look away from them. I can't wait to get the videotape. Sounds really interesting. I would like to see how the Brits portray President Nixon.
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: A friend has been recording some of this season's episodes of Doctor Who to send to me--since he knows I don't get BBC-America on my cable TV. I asked him if it were true that Doctor Who visits America, and he said yes--in the very first two-part episode, he visits President Richard Nixon in the White House to warn him about the aliens that you forget about as soon as you look away from them. I can't wait to get the videotape. Sounds really interesting. I would like to see how the Brits portray President Nixon.
I noticed that the doctor gets replicated before he loses his shoes. It's pretty obvious that the shoes are going to be the key between distinguishing between the real doctor (new shoes) and the doppelganger (old shoes). I went back and checked. The Doctor who was killed in episode 1 was wearing the old shoes. It might not mean anything, The Doctor could change his shoes hundreds of times over the course of 2 centuries, but then again it might. I'll be watching to see if The Doctor keeps the new shoes.
Nice catch.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
Looking ahead, I see that the next episode is also part 1 of 2, and the second part will be in September. I've been spoiled by being able to watch whole seasons of stuff on Netflix and have no patience with waiting months between episodes.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Years of waiting for the end of BSG makes this seem like easy small potatoes. Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: A friend has been recording some of this season's episodes of Doctor Who to send to me--since he knows I don't get BBC-America on my cable TV. I asked him if it were true that Doctor Who visits America, and he said yes--in the very first two-part episode, he visits President Richard Nixon in the White House to warn him about the aliens that you forget about as soon as you look away from them. I can't wait to get the videotape. Sounds really interesting. I would like to see how the Brits portray President Nixon.
Fairly.
You could y'know, use a thing called bitorrent.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Blayne, what is "bitorrent"?
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
I hope this is cryptic enough to not spoil things for anyone but clear enough for those who have seen the episode ...
I watched "The Almost People" again, knowing who is who this time. I had suspected the thing about the shoes. And I think the turning point with Amy would be during the time they were on the run trying to find out about the Silence - that's the only time I can figure she wasn't with someone else.
And this takes out my theory about the end of "Amy's Choice" where the Doctor saw the Dream Lord after he got rid of the psychic pollen. (Edited to add: My theory was that some residue of the pollen was making Amy see the eyepatch lady. Or something.)
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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Whats interesting and fridge horrory is that Amy just told the real doctor shes seen him die.
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
I'm not sure you understand the concept of "fridge horror". You should check out his handy reference.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: I'm not sure you understand the concept of "fridge horror". You should check out his handy reference.
Good show! I'm glad you had the foresight to provide a link! God forgive I forget to link people to such an awesome site, also known as Tvtropes for those who wonder, it has a fascinating array of tropes in which to discuss and categorize for people.
It would be an absolute shame of me to forget even once, to provide the obligatory link! Nay, it is my duty to do so! And thus I am glad that you saw fit to step into the deep chasmy void of my negligence to take over for me in this instance, or else people would accuse me of dialing my fanaticism down a few notches.
And we cannot have that.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
Actually, reading that description (how I hate that site - it's like a temporal black hole) - there's lots of 'fridge horror' in the end of that episode.
Just not quite where Blayne's pointing IMO.
The more you start thinking about what seems to have been really happening and what is about to happen, the squickier it gets.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
SPOILERY SPECULATION . . . . . .
I'm wondering what made the Doctor focus on the flesh in regards to Amy. I know he was doing a scan on her every episode since "Day of the Moon," but it always came up the same. So what's different? Did the Tardis say something? (I'll have to watch "The Doctor's Wife" again.)
Throughout "The Almost People" I kept thinking of it like identical twins. If you married one twin who died, you wouldn't want to have the other one just step into that life and take it over. And what about Rory? If Amy's been gone since "Day of the Moon" then he's been sleeping with someone who was not really Amy - not the Amy he thought she was.
Has anyone else seen the baby's name?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
If Amy's been gone since "Day of the Moon" then he's been sleeping with someone who was not really Amy - not the Amy he thought she was.
Squick.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
The Doctor I believe has always suspected but could only confirm it by going to an early point of the gangers history to confirm (due to how developed they become later; ie the Lady Cassandra from season 1 with Nine was a late version of a ganger I think).
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
Hmmmm. More spoilery stuff. * * * * * * * * * * * I didn't think it was like identical twins.
At least until the storm, the people are "driving" the gangers, aren't they? And they remember all of their experiences while they were controlling the gangers. I think that while it was a flesh Amy, the real Amy was actually in there. She was experiencing the contractions of her real body while her flesh one was walking around. Way back in the beginning of "The Rebel Flesh" she was getting stomach cramps and the doctor would tell her to breathe.
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
If Amy's been gone since "Day of the Moon" then he's been sleeping with someone who was not really Amy - not the Amy he thought she was.
Squick.
Yes, squick. But then, Amy did some heavy making out with plastic Roranicus. So it's just even stevens at this point.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
I don't think Lady Cassandra was a ganger. She had a bunch of plastic surgeries ([url= http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Cassandra_O%27Brien.%CE%9417]708[/url]).
Rose kissing the human Doctor looked to me a little like "you want me to pick him, well see how you like it!" When she heard the Tardis engine, she ran toward it.
And Rory the Roman ... I don't know. Rory remembers being the Lone Centurian. But the gangers remember their originals' lives. Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
I really dont care about Doctor Who, due in part to my preferance to type Dr. But I know Niel Gaiman's episode has aired and I wondering if it is worth a watch.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
"The Doctor's Wife" was the best episode this season, I think.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:I really dont care about Doctor Who, due in part to my preferance to type Dr.
What is a preference for type Dr?
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
A preference to type "Dr." instead of "Doctor" on a keyboard.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dobbie: A preference to type "Dr." instead of "Doctor" on a keyboard.
That seems like a really bizarre reason to reject or dislike something. There is no reason that watching Dr. Who requires one to type anything about the show let alone abandoned the non-abbreviated form.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
I notice it every time I have had to purposly alter my grammer, who does Who think he is?
Just a little joke, thats all. In reality I dont care for Doctor Who for no particular reason, Im just not into it but I am a big fan of Niel Gaiman and will go ahead and bittorrent that episode now.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
I prefer to type "grammar".
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
Also "purposely".
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaySedai: "The Doctor's Wife" was the best episode this season, I think.
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While I think its a great episode, it made it more obvious to me why I don't really like 11. He doesn't seem to connect with people. Sexy did a great job of showing the deep affection/love she had for The Doctor. But 11's performance kind of felt flat for me. His affection/love for her and excitement at finally being able to talk with his companion of centuries just wasn't at all convincing. It has me worried about how he will handle falling in love with River Song. He's great at flirtation, but I doubt Matt Smith can portray the deeper love story effectively.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Inspired by a conversation with Nathan re: the recent discussion that the Daleks are going to be retired as villains for a while....
"The problem's all inside your head," she said to me; "The answer's easy if you take it logically. "I'd like to help you save the entire galaxy. "There must be fifty ways to defeat Daleks."
She said, "I won't pretend that we can escape by the stairs; "now they have emitters they can slowly float up there. "But really, Doc, you know that there's no reason to despair: "there must be fifty ways to defeat Daleks."
Just cover its eyes, guys, then gum up its hose, Rose. Shoot it in the back, Jack, and open its dome.
Just give it some hell, Mel; blow it into space, Grace; go teach it some games, Ames, then send in your clone.
She said, "It grieves me so when you regenerate; you're running out of lives for them to exterminate." I said, "I appreciate that. "So would you please explain about the fifty ways?"
She said, "Why don't we open up this panel on the right "to swap their Factors so they'll all switch sides and fight?" And then she kissed me and I realized she probably was right: there must be fifty ways to defeat Daleks.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Love it Tom. It makes me wonder how many Dalek stories they've already done. I'd rather not see another 25 or 30 before they retire them.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Except that he wasn't a twin. He split off late enough that he shared all the same memories with her that the original did.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Tom,
Seriously. I really enjoyed the first part enough already, but the full version is gold. Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
I loved the Gaiman episode, even watched the Doctor Who Confidential as well. If more of the series dealt with why/who/where and the how of the Doctor I might dive deeper into it, but I know enough to understand that the mystery is too much apart of the show and its basic premise.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Does it drive anyone else nuts when people say the box is a phone box? it is a police box, dang it!
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
Does it drive anyone else nuts when people say the Tardis is a police box? It's a time machine/spacecraft disguised as a police box!
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
Does it bother anyone else when people call the TARDIS a "tardis"? Me neither.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
Also, they once asked a question on who wants to be a millionaire about what the tardis was disguised as and the answer was phone booth. I was shouting at the tv that day. I watch reruns of millionaire so this is more recent than you might think.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
I have now viewed the two-part season opener of Dr. Who in America. Very amusing. The actor they cast as President Nixon didn't really look much like him. It was cute when Nixon at the end observed that the Doctor was from the future, and asked if he would be remembered. The Doctor said "Yes, Tricky Dicky, you will be remembered." Fair enough.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I felt he looked like Nixon based on the trailer.
Posted by Amilia (Member # 8912) on :
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Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I just watched "Almost People" and admittedly I only watched it once so I probably need to go back and re-watch it.
Spoilers * * * * * *
However...did the Doctor not say toward the end that the TARDIS had "stabilized the flesh - they're people now."
If so, why was Amy not "stabilized?"
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
Spoilers
* * * * * My impression was that Amy's ganger was never independent. Amy was in there the whole time so the new flesh wasn't able to become its own person cause it had a person in there already.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
That makes sense. Thanks!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Spoilers
* * * * * Holy cow. I mean, holy fracking cow. I so did not see that coming. God, I don't think anyone did.
I still think the kid in the spacesuit was Melody, but... so River is a Time Lord? And she's in jail for what she did in The Impossible Astronaut? And... she didn't show up at the battle of Demons Run... because she didn't want to risk crossing her own timeline? And gah. Amy is his mother-in-law? That's just funny.
Btw, we still don't know what caused the TARDIS to blow up last season. Also... I'm glad River's death was before we met Amy. And... do we keep calling her River Song now?
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
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Hah! I've been wondering how they'd make a connection between Amy and River since they first announced that her name would be Pond. And I was making mother-in-law jokes ever since last year (because Amy, with her attitude, is a born mother-in-law). And when they introduced the pregnancy thing - well it was obvious. But nicely done. I didn't see the fake baby reveal coming, though.
I did wonder how they would make little River regenerate (because that had to be River. That's why she knew she couldn't really shoot herself).
So here we are. Good episode, sufficiently epic and pretty devastating for the Doctor. So funny that it never occurred to him what Amy and Rory might be up to on their wedding night. He was probably assuming they would be playing Scrabble.
Anyone else think that while Melody and Pond are perfectly great names in isolation, together they just sound odd? What tune does a pond sing? It just goes 'sploosh'. I can see why you'd change a name like that to something cooler.
Is it weird that the Doctor and River hooked (will hooken - tenses!) up? I've been trying to decide how I feel about him doing that to her for a while, and I still don't know how I feel about it.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I don't think Melody Pond is any stranger than River Song. Less so, if anything. It's just that we're used to it.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Theyre scottish!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
What intrigues me, though, is how River was still around during last year's finale, even after her father had retroactively been removed from history. I suppose it isn't any stranger than Amy still being around after her parents disappeared, but still.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
Or how the Tardis translation circuit kicked in after the Doctor left ... ?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Text/Writing takes a while to kick in and requires some concentration?
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
Doctor Who has been renewed for season/series 7 , with fourteen more episodes with Matt Smith (and, I know nothing, but presumably a new companion).
The fact that they're not sure yet if all the episodes will be airing in 2012 would be worrying, if it wasn't pretty clear that they'll be moving the start of the season to the autumn and winter after this year. So the end of the season might roll over into the New Year.
Not sure what that would mean for the Christmas specials, but watching the show would be more atmospheric in the dark winter evenings, and the ratings would go up. And three years with Smith would be fine. I like the guy, his acting is visibly improving - it was fine before, but he's really got it now, and any fewer would be a pity.
Yay!
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
They would NEVER cancel Doctor Who; I would need to see significant evidence of slipping ratings before I could entertain the possibility.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Theyre scottish!
Who are "they"? Amy is Scottish. Rory is not. The Doctor is not. River is not (at least she doesn't have a Scottish accent).
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
The Doctor has been Scottish at least once!
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: The Doctor has been Scottish at least once!
A lot of planets may have a north but to the best of my knowledge, there was never a Scotland on Galifrey.
There is a difference between the characters being Scottish and the actors who play them being Scottish. John Barrowman is Scottish, Captain Jack is definitely not.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: The Doctor has been Scottish at least once!
A lot of planets may have a north but to the best of my knowledge, there was never a Scotland on Galifrey.
There is a difference between the characters being Scottish and the actors who play them being Scottish. John Barrowman is Scottish, Captain Jack is definitely not.
Well, Barrowman was 8 when his family moved to the US, so calling him Scottish may be pushing a point.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: The Doctor has been Scottish at least once!
A lot of planets may have a north but to the best of my knowledge, there was never a Scotland on Galifrey.
There is a difference between the characters being Scottish and the actors who play them being Scottish. John Barrowman is Scottish, Captain Jack is definitely not.
Well, Barrowman was 8 when his family moved to the US, so calling him Scottish may be pushing a point.
That's so funny - a lot of people who have changed their accent do that. Whenever they're exposed to people with their original accent, their former way of speaking comes flooding back.
It can be quite shocking when you think you know someone's voice, only to find that they have another one hidden away.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
There are Americans three generations removed from their family's country of origin who still claim to be Scottish or Irish or Italian or Albanian. Which is very odd, I admit. Barrowman is actually a citizen of Scotland, so it doesn't seem a stretch to me to say he's Scottish. (It helped that the first word out of his mouth in Torchwood was not said with an American pronunciation -- we spell it differently, as well. His accent is definitely American most of the time, though.)
I'm the same way. Plink me down in the wilds of Appalachia and my own husband gives me the stank eye.
I finally talked my boys into watching the mid-series cliffie with me today. Big Boy, who still hasn't come to grips with Matt Smith, said, "It would have been better if it had been Ten." My Beloved, who rarely watches Doctor Who, admitted that it was one of the best episodes of teh show he'd ever seen. So I consider it a victory on the basis of that alone.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bella Bee: That's so funny - a lot of people who have changed their accent do that. Whenever they're exposed to people with their original accent, their former way of speaking comes flooding back.
It can be quite shocking when you think you know someone's voice, only to find that they have another one hidden away.
I wonder if when he would talk with David Tennant when they weren't filming if he'd drop back into that accent. I wouldn't be surprised.
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My Beloved, who rarely watches Doctor Who, admitted that it was one of the best episodes of teh show he'd ever seen. So I consider it a victory on the basis of that alone.