I think I have found the most awesome video on youtube.
Posted by Wingracer (Member # 12293) on :
That dude is pretty funny.
Really good recoil suppression on that thing.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
**Waring: Video Contains Strong Language**
Very nifty...I first saw the AA12 double mounted on a robot...on the Military Channel...defiantly an excellent weapon system.
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
Entertaining videos, yes.
Fake accent...probably. Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
The accent is a fake, I've seen his vids before. Nobody that age with his grasp of grammar has that kind of accent.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Sounds fake, and slips in places.
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
I find it hilarious that people are concentrating on the authenticity of the Russian accent, rather than on the automatic shotgun.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Because its the accent that jumps out at you "waaaait somethings fishy here..." As I've talked to actual Russians and I've never seen it that thick.
I also thought the gun was fake for a while due to the lack of recoil and lack of sound. Then came the door being blown off its hinges...
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: As I've talked to actual Russians and I've never seen it that thick.
As if that's evidence of anything.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
That guy really needs to get a pair of safety goggles.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: As I've talked to actual Russians and I've never seen it that thick.
As if that's evidence of anything.
What are you trying to prove or accomplish? I can say with credibility "well I have talked with plenty of Russians before and compared to that earlier experience this guys accent sounds fake."
And guess what! It is fake! So for me my gut feeling was correct in this instance and so yes, it *is* evidence.
edit: to seem a little less berserk.
[ April 26, 2011, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: Blayne Bradley ]
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Easy there tiger! If his only goal was to be confrontational...then he got what he wanted, a strong response from you...
If not, you might consider how conclusive your previous experience is...perhaps spoke to people from one region and he is from another, after all, Russia is the largest country in the world...or perhaps the people you spoke to learned English in a different school, which emphasizes better pronunciation...or maybe your gut feeling is more like a deduction instead of evidence...
All I'm saying is that such a strong response generally doesn't get you anything good, trust me I know.
Also, out of curiosity, do you have any proof that his accent is fake?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
My best friend is from a Russian family from Belarus and he regularly goes to Toronto which has a significant Russian overseas community as does Montreal and I have conversed over teamspeak with many of such people from different regions; while I've heard of some fairly thick accents there's something definitely *off* about this guys accent in comparison to the people whom I have spoken with.
Okay, sure no real proof but he is from the American Georgia according to his youtube account. Also what Orincoro says.
Compare it to the Russian in this EVE Online trailer:
Also, I play EVE Online which has about 1/3 of its player base is Russian.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
That low recoil is pretty remarkable.
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
the weapon has less recoil than the conversation.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
Heh heh...sorry, Blayne...I didn't notice that you went back and edited your post to decrease the berserker factor. Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: As I've talked to actual Russians and I've never seen it that thick.
As if that's evidence of anything.
What are you trying to prove or accomplish? I can say with credibility "well I have talked with plenty of Russians before and compared to that earlier experience this guys accent sounds fake."
And guess what! It is fake! So for me my gut feeling was correct in this instance and so yes, it *is* evidence.
edit: to seem a little less berserk.
As more reasonable people have pointed out, your having spoken to actual Russians (GASP!) proves absolutely nothing about his accent or your grasp of what makes a fake russian accent. It only proves that the guy in the video doesn't speak like your actual Russians (GASP!).
Now, it's pretty clear to me that the guy's accent is fake. Nonetheless, your argument 'proving' it is absurd. As a person who frequently writes essays trying to convince people of something, it would behoove you to learn what makes an argument convincing versus unconvincing. Anecdotal evidence: typically unconvincing. Especially given a country as large and varied as Russia and the fact that any Russian you spoke to was likely in an online exchange where you can't even tell for sure the person isn't speaking to you from down the street.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Dude your being ridiculous I didn't say "proves" anything, you're acting like an ass.
You jumped on my reference to anecdotal evidence in a completely knee jerk overreaction.
People can *say* they've met or done this or that and give it as a reason why something may or may not seem to be something or not. Did I say it was proof? Was I seriously trying to somehow discredit the video I already stated was *awesome*?
There are situations when criticising that form of evidence via personal experience may be suitable but certainly this time isn't it.
You should apologize.
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
I live in Maine, and therefore I've spoken to HUNDREDS of Mainers, and I promise you, none of them speak even remotely like the stereotypical Maine accent.
But...
I once spent a weekend in a midcoast town 2 hours drive from my hometown, and discovered that *everyone* there speaks just like the stereotype.
So even living in Maine, I wouldn't trust the anecdotal evidence of one small area to assume I know how they speak all over Maine.
And, in fact, if I drive 3.5 hours to the "Down East", I find a totally different Maine accent from the one I find in the midcoast area.
Accents are funny things.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I think its fairly sad how people jumped at my statement as some kind of attempt at authoritativeness, I'm only speaking from casual experience and was a casual comment nothing more.
Accent sounded fake compared to the russians I've spoken too in the past, all I was saying.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
BB...you are just hurting yourself by rising (read as "sinking") to his level. All you ever said was that you have personal experience which leads you to a conclusion. But when you use words like "ass" and demand an apology, you lose any high ground you might have held.
And again, if he is trying to get a rise out of you, he got it.
It's not the content of you message I am trying to help you out with, but the tone.
You are giving him way more legitimacy then he deserves.
Posted by Ecthalion (Member # 8825) on :
Actually i have to say. I fly with several russian alliances in EVE and some of them have EPICLY thick, heavy accents.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Dude your being ridiculous I didn't say "proves" anything, you're acting like an ass.
You jumped on my reference to anecdotal evidence in a completely knee jerk overreaction.
People can *say* they've met or done this or that and give it as a reason why something may or may not seem to be something or not. Did I say it was proof? Was I seriously trying to somehow discredit the video I already stated was *awesome*?
There are situations when criticising that form of evidence via personal experience may be suitable but certainly this time isn't it.
You should apologize.
You should kiss my ***.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
I've heard people doing fake Russian accents, and they didn't sound like that, so it must be real.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Well played EJDS...classy even. You agree it sounds fake...why stir the pot? To what end?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: You should apologize.
You demand a lot of apologies, Blayne. I'm not sure that it's ever accomplished anything positive for you.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ecthalion: Actually i have to say. I fly with several russian alliances in EVE and some of them have EPICLY thick, heavy accents.
I had already above, corrected myself, its not the thickness, but a feeling of artificialness.
I do recall an Israeli-Russian fleet commander who was.... Incomprehensible. Fluent English, just not understandable as english; especially when he gets angry and rants at everyone.
quote:You demand a lot of apologies, Blayne. I'm not sure that it's ever accomplished anything positive for you.
I beg to differ, it's usually a quick way, as in this case to determine if its a misunderstanding or if the other person is an irredeemable cad.
If it *was* a misunderstanding or me overreacting initially he would say so and we'ld find some sort of mutually equitable compromise and we both apologize to each other and be off our merry ways.
Or he insults me. As what happened here.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:I beg to differ, it's usually a quick way, as in this case to determine if its a misunderstanding or if the other person is an irredeemable cad.
If it *was* a misunderstanding or me overreacting initially he would say so and we'ld find some sort of mutually equitable compromise and we both apologize to each other and be off our merry ways.
I call B.S.. Demanding an apology is one of the best ways to guarantee that you won't get one. Demanding an apology is practically begging to be insulted.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
m_p_h...I am so offended! I demand an apology! Please please insult me!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I'm sorry that you're such a big doo doo head.
Posted by happymann (Member # 9559) on :
I majored in linguistics in college and I have to say I found his accent fascinating (fake or not). It almost sounded to me like it could have been the accent of someone who has heard a lot of Russian but doesn't speak it himself, or knows Russian as his second language, or Russian was a very early known language but English was the primary language they knew, or they were very good at speaking English. The authenticity of the Russian accent didn't so much concern me, so much as the specificity of the English used making him either fluent or native English (regardless of knowledge of the Russian language). All in all I found the accent very fascinating.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:The authenticity of the Russian accent didn't so much concern me, so much as the specificity of the English used making him either fluent or native English (regardless of knowledge of the Russian language).
Unless he was speaking from a script written or edited by someone else. In which case, you couldn't tell anything from his use of English.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
That clip didn't strike me as being particularly scripted.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I agree, it sounded fake, and there were a couple of places is seemed to slip.
I'd also agree that the clip didn't seem scripted, but that is a guess, of course.
I enjoyed the clip, though. I just worry about other, less experienced people attempting to duplicate it and killing others.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Hard to get a hold of an automatic shotgun...one wonders how this guy got two...let alone the other guns he lets loose in other vids.
Posted by Wingracer (Member # 12293) on :
quote:Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_: Hard to get a hold of an automatic shotgun...one wonders how this guy got two...let alone the other guns he lets loose in other vids.
Probably works in the business.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
If it was made for the military it should be just as hard to get their hands on a police officers gun, as these automatic shotguns...
Definitely raises questions....
Posted by Wingracer (Member # 12293) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain: If it was made for the military it should be just as hard to get their hands on a police officers gun, as these automatic shotguns...
Definitely raises questions....
It's not that difficult. Most people just aren't aware of how to go about legally acquiring such things.
Plus, you don't have to own the gun to make a vid of you shooting it. He could be an employee of the company that makes them or of a shop that sells them to law enforcement or some be an actual officer himself.
Posted by Nathan Yahoo (Member # 12056) on :
My FIL was born and raised in Germany, and moved to the US in his 20's. He is now in his 70's and even his German accent has taken a beating, he slips in and out with specific words, and even his command of German has suffered.
It comes back fast when he is in Germany, but otherwise it's very weak.
My accent changes depending on who I am talking to. Seriously. I generally adapt my manner of speaking so that it more closely matches the way the person I am addressing speaks, it's not a conscious thing, I've always done it.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
quote:My accent changes depending on who I am talking to.
Mine too...I always joke I can't ever go to Europe, because someone would kill me in a tavern for this exact reason.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:The authenticity of the Russian accent didn't so much concern me, so much as the specificity of the English used making him either fluent or native English (regardless of knowledge of the Russian language).
Unless he was speaking from a script written or edited by someone else. In which case, you couldn't tell anything from his use of English.
Nah, I don't think so. I know and have taught quite a few Russians, and at about that age. And a lot of ESL learners in general. It's more than the accent of course, it's the whole thing- the way he uses his face to communicate, the movement of his shoulders, his hands, his speaking rhythm. After having taught hundreds of students, I have a good ear and eye for what's real, and he's no Russian in my opinion. You can really tell a more than you might assume, if you know what you're listening to.
Particularly you can spot the fake because English speakers key into certain accent oddities and not others, that it takes a more trained ear to hear and remember. Among them, while he sticks with a rolled r sound after f, as in friends, he drops it after a t, as in construction. This is actually correct, meaning his has a pretty good ear, but actually a Russian in my experience would likely soften the t sound in order to accomplish that. He doesn't, and that would be *very* hard for a Russian to do. Even very experienced speakers with a lot of training in pronunciation have difficulties with not aspirating t sounds in situe like that. Also, though he sticks with the same distinct t sounds in most words, he demonstrates a fluent control of soft and aspirated t sounds in the middle of words, which is dead giveaway that an accent is fake- kind of like someone acting blind who offhandedly checks his watch.
Also, in my experience a speaker with that kind of control over English phonology and speech patterns (this assumes he's not reading, which in itself is unlikely given the natural quality of the speech), would never have such distinct accent features. What typically happens is that speakers with that kind of control begin to mask the features of their speech that give away too much of an accent. They clip their sentences or flatten out their tone in order not to commit mistakes they themselves can now begin to hear and try to avoid. I have students with that specific problem- their fluency in speaking becomes hindered by their ability to hear their mistakes and consequently avoid certain sounds altogether. This is *much* more typical for the younger students, who are still forming their adult speaking patterns. Thick accents are typically indicative of later learning. So, chances of having someone this good at English with that thick of an accent? Not good.
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