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Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
 
http://www.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2000/08/superman.jpg

I am disappointed. I do not believe a man can fly.

[ September 01, 2011, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: manji ]
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
I'm disappointed-- there's nothing there about Supes.
 
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
 
That's weird. I updated the url.
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
He looks sufficiently superman-y.
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
I hate his hair.
 
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
 
The hair is definitely off in the picture. Looks like early David Hasselhoff hair.
 
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
 
Looks like he shops at the same fabric store as Spiderman. Maybe they used a groupon?
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
[ROFL]
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
Here is a question, what is Supermans suit supposed to look like?

Is it of Kryptonian make? does Superman make it himself?
 
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
 
Um, as far as I understand it, it's a contradiction...as it is made out of his baby blanket, and supposedly is as super as the man himself, which is why it never just dissolves off his body when he does super stuff...but the Kent's sew it for him...can withstand bullets and lava and reentry into the atmosphere, but can't stand up to pinking sheers and a Singer made in the 40s.
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
What about when he gets damaged in battle? the suit tears all the time.
 
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
 
Only when he's fighting things that are powerful enough to make HIM break a sweat.
 
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
 
I thought the whole indestructible suit explanation was retconed, with the explanation for why his suit is rarely damaged now being because his body emits a protective aura around itself, thus also explaining how he lifts huge objects which should collapse under their own weight or catch someone while moving at super speed without making them go splat.

Anyway, maybe I'm used to the small S from Superman Returns, but the S on this suit looks too big to me.
 
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
 
n-d I hadn't ever heard of that...but I'm not big into SoupyMan...and CroutonBoy!...although I had wondered about the lack of splat when rescuing at high speed...I just went with superhero stories require a bit of suspension of disbelief.
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
I like the bigger S, its supposed to be blatant and not just an accent.
 
Posted by Pablo Pavlovich (Member # 12617) on :
 
How's his accent doing? That's the most important question for Man of Steel. I'm a fan of his acting, and frankly, British actors doing American accents seem to have no trouble with it (unlike the reverse—Anne Hathaway in the trailer for One Day is giving me the heebie-jeebies), but I still wonder.

What if it's a Daniel Craig-in-Cowboys-&-Aliens?
 
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
 
Ugh.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/01/article-2032143-0DA8F94100000578-282_468x682.jpg
 
Posted by Tarrsk (Member # 332) on :
 
Wow. That's quite an impressive, er, package.
 
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
 
Yeah?

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/320866_10150279533562285_47270687284_7785669_6303709_n.jpg
 
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by neo-dragon:
I thought the whole indestructible suit explanation was retconed, with the explanation for why his suit is rarely damaged now being because his body emits a protective aura around itself, thus also explaining how he lifts huge objects which should collapse under their own weight or catch someone while moving at super speed without making them go splat.

If that is the case, how does he ever hurt anyone by punching them?
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
Something about those Superman pictures reminds me of the men's underwear section at Target. I just can't figure it out.
 
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
 
Something about those pictures screams "disaster" to me.
 
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
 
CGI can make miracles.

I hope.
 
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
 
CGI can't erase the fact that all of the designs on his suit are pointing downwards at his "package."
 
Posted by Tarrsk (Member # 332) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by manji:
CGI can't erase the fact that all of the designs on his suit are pointing downwards at his "package."

He puts the "uber" in "ubermensch."
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
It's not a bug, it's a feature!
 
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by manji:
CGI can't erase the fact that all of the designs on his suit are pointing downwards at his "package."

Probably intentional on someone's part, based on some doubtlessly fascinating attempt at psychology in imagery.
 
Posted by Tarrsk (Member # 332) on :
 
That makes sense. The film is being made by Zach "I Id, Therefore I Am" Snyder.
 
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
 
My understanding was that Mrs. Kent unraveled the blanket and knitted the suit.
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_:
quote:
Originally posted by neo-dragon:
I thought the whole indestructible suit explanation was retconed, with the explanation for why his suit is rarely damaged now being because his body emits a protective aura around itself, thus also explaining how he lifts huge objects which should collapse under their own weight or catch someone while moving at super speed without making them go splat.

If that is the case, how does he ever hurt anyone by punching them?
By reversing the polarity of the main deflector dish before striking?
 
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
Probably intentional on someone's part, based on some doubtlessly fascinating attempt at psychology in imagery.

I would think Christopher Nolan would be more subtle, but I guess it's not his show.
 
Posted by odouls268 (Member # 2145) on :
 
There is entirely too much thinking going on in here.
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
I didn't know Snyder was directing, now I can ignore this movie entirely without a single thought that I may be missing out. And the suit makes much more sense now that I know the same man that made 300 is calling the shots.
 
Posted by odouls268 (Member # 2145) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AchillesHeel:
I didn't know Snyder was directing, now I can ignore this movie entirely without a single thought that I may be missing out. And the suit makes much more sense now that I know the same man that made 300 is calling the shots.

You didn't like 300?
Bro, historical accuracy be damned, that movie was pure "Thank you sir, may I have another"

C'mon now, there was a guilty pleasure part of you that loved the "Blood drunk" melee, and the line "It's only an eye. The gods saw fit to bless me with a spare."

No? nothing? [The Wave]
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
When it comes to getting a fix for my addiction to violence I would rather go to Tony Jaa or Takashi Miike. The rare hand to hand fight in The Mechanic was much more impressive than anything in 300, CG and sweaty men in loin clothes to not amount to the same thing.
 
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
 
Odouls, I have to agree with you. Zack Snyder is definitely a guilty pleasure, emphasis on guilty. I have fun watching his flicks, but I wouldn't call them good. Although I actually enjoyed some of the plot changes that were made in his Watchmen; one or two major problems I had with the comic were absent in the film. Not sure if Snyder gets the credit for that, though. Haven't checked who wrote the screenplay.

AchillesHeel, the only Miike films I've seen were mostly just endless streams of horrific, cringe-inducing, gory violence. Tempered only with pretentious art-school level surrealism. Am I missing something? What is Miike's best film in your opinion?
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
I just recently watched his latest film 13 Assassins, its streaming on netflix. Particular scenes certainly warrant your critique but the movie has a great overall plot reminiscent of Seven Samurai.
 
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
 
Augh, that's a Miike?? I didn't notice. Netflix recommended 13 Assassins to me and it's been waiting in my queue. Well... I'll give it a try.

Just to be clear, Snyder's films are bloody and violent as hell. But the Miike films I remember had gore and violence more on the level of a movie like Hostel, which is just not my cup of tea.

(Plus the surrealist crap, which for me was the last straw.)
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
Snyder is all about the CG and green screen, that is not gory by my definition. Paying a professional horror make-up person for three weeks to produce a head on stick is gory, or the wall of tar people in Bones where it really was all real people and various body parts writhing around in choreographed anarchy. Snyder has nothing on the fake cadaver for Turistas, he should really just make music videos as those are always his best scenes.

You probably wouldn't like Audition (not a Miike btw) even I turned that one off. Creepy does not begin to define that movie.
 
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
 
Yeah Audition was too much for me.

Ichi The Killer is the Miike film that really springs to mind in this conversation. Have you seen it?

I'm going to go ahead and put a

********GORE WARNING********

here, because I am about to discuss some pretty graphic violence. Sorry.

The gore bounces constantly back and forth from somewhat realistic and intensely cringe-worthy (one that sticks with me was a woman's nipples being sliced off) to completely over the top and still disgusting and cringe-worthy (such as people being symmetrically bisected in great detail.) It was a painful film to watch, and so much of the gore and violence seemed really unnecessary.
 
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
 
Not sure which came first, the movie or the comic, but the design more or less matches his new look in the big DC makeover.
 
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
 
Well, perhaps the suit is designed to appeal more to the female/gay/etc demographic.

Because looking at that picture I was like - 'Arms!' and then 'Ooo, gosh.' [Blushing] [Wink] Hopefully there will at least be some jokes about it in the movie for those who are less, er, impressed.

Lets just say that I'm amazed that he can still fly with that thing weighing him down.
 
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
 
That's nothing! Have you seen Randy Quaid in Christmas Vacation?

__________________________________________________

LoL @ Noemon
 
Posted by odouls268 (Member # 2145) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_:
That's nothing! Have you seen Randy Quaid in Christmas Vacation?

Eddie shows off glorious man-bulge in Christmas Vacation? I don't remember that scene.


Yep. I said glorious. no homo.
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
I think SW mentioned Randy Quaid in response to the gore conversation and Superman's super... yeah.

Randy Quaids camel hump was truely disturbing in those little shorts.
 
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
 
Do remember that this is the same guy that did Watchmen.

There wasn't anything in the world that could contain Dr. Manhattan's... well... you know...
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
There are alot of women and gay men who refer 300 as their porn. Like I said before, knowing that Snyder is in charge makes the suit make sense.
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
An oldie but a goodie:

http://id34111.securedata.net/areaology/area.html
 
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Bridges:
Not sure which came first, the movie or the comic, but the design more or less matches his new look in the big DC makeover.

I dunno, looks different from the DC reboot.

http://i51.tinypic.com/281huzt.jpg
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
Most likely is that DC comics made the decision first and DC productions followed suit.

That Justice League #1 (source of manji's pic) was dreadful by the way, if the majority of the new 52 are of that quality I will be saving a lot of money.
 
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Dan_Frank:
endless streams of horrific, cringe-inducing, gory violence. Tempered only with pretentious art-school level surrealism.

Hey, that's a pretty good description of Ichi the Killer right there, full stop.
 
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
 
Yeah.

... Yeah.

So how about it, AH? It's been a decade since I saw it, but Ichi still sticks with me as something I wish I hadn't seen. Is it indicative of Miike's style overall, or is it a special case?
 
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
 
Well, he's making the Ace Attorney movie, I think.
 
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
 
Here's some more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_Kids!!!

sounds like fun, i should watch th
 
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
 
Huh. Weird.

On the other hand, Zack Snyder also directed Legend of the Guardians. AKA The Owl Movie.
 
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
 
I haven't seen Ichi, I will make a point of it though.
 
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by AchillesHeel:
I haven't seen Ichi, I will make a point of it though.

Whyyyyyyyyyy...
 
Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
The Ichi manga is the best comic I've ever read, hands down. It beats out Miyazaki's Nausicca, All Star Superman, Ennis's run on Punisher, and even The Invisibles.

Far crazier and more sadistic than the movie, though.
 
Posted by Marlozhan (Member # 2422) on :
 
First full trailer here:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_man_of_steel/trailers/11174272/
 


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