...for when use of the word "moron" is considered acceptable?
UNACCEPTABLE:
quote:Originally posted by Dobbie: (Post Removed by Janitor Blade. Disparaging another poster.)
ACCEPTABLE:
quote:Originally posted by Kwea: No, it's yours, for being a moron. JB doesn't just delete things for fun, you know. I'd take HIS word over yours, and I don't doubt it deserved deleting.
My removed post contained the phrase "insensitive m....". Perhaps "insensitive" is the hot-button word. Or is it because Kwea's post flattered JB?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Oh, boy. Okay, look, I get the point of the question, but really, don't be surprised if there's a lot of variance in "moderator consistency" because the forum has no real rules. This goes back to the issue where Hatrack still pretends to use "the ToS" or "Behave like you are in the owner's living room" as clear guidelines for behavior. But that's extremely old, so I'll avoid explaining them in detail unless someone specifically cares to ask for clarification.
Posted by T:man (Member # 11614) on :
Hey Sam...
Can you clarify what "Behaving like you are in the owner's living room" would look like?
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
You use the outermost fork for shrimp, the middle fork for salad, and the last fork for the main dish.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
It would depend entirely on my relation to the person, what they were saying to me or about me, and be entirely different from an abstract commitment to act as if I were in that physical location when interacting in a place where the concept of Living Room Decorum is mostly irrelevant once anybody anywhere stops believing in it.
But for the most part, I wouldn't put my feet up on the furniture.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
What about an ottoman?
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
And isn't "ottoman" just a fancy word for "any piece of available furniture?"
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Oh, wait, this is an ottoman??? Oh man I've been a terrible guest for years!
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
I thought this was an ottoman.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Nooo that's an Ottoman! Proper noun, man!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Dobbie: You may have missed the slightly more subtle but nonetheless plausible alternative explanation that I didn't see Kwea's post. Also, the rest of your post no longer exists to make the comparison more useful.
If your post consists of only.
"You're a complete moron."
You will likely get the axe. If your post is,
"blah blah blah functions as the blah blah blah in this discussion of blah blah blah. How can you dispute the truth of this blah blah blah. You must be a moron."
Then I will most likely attempt to remove the offending stuff, and try to salvage what remains of the post.
But hey, you are welcome to try denigrating other posters, while simultaneously praising me as moderator. You won't get much mileage I'm sure, but hey, nobody has yet to try.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
See everyone, that's why you're all idiots. BlackBlade schooled your dumb asses! Everyone on this forum is a loser except for him.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Oh crap, and me. I'm also not a loser, I mean. Despite what I said up there, I'm awesome. Obviously.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: Oh crap, and me. I'm also not a loser, I mean. Despite what I said up there, I'm awesome. Obviously.
Only a complete moron would put himself in the same league as BB.
It takes a big, big man to admit he isn't as good as BB. And I am that big man.
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
quote:Originally posted by T:man: Hey Sam...
Can you clarify what "Behaving like you are in the owner's living room" would look like?
There is only one way to find out. Mr. Card needs to have us all over for tea.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
I....I don't think he can. Herbal "tea," maybe.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Dobbie: You may have missed the slightly more subtle but nonetheless plausible alternative explanation that I didn't see Kwea's post.
You've obviously seen it now.
quote:Also, the rest of your post no longer exists to make the comparison more useful.
Seriously?
quote: If your post is,
"blah blah blah functions as the blah blah blah in this discussion of blah blah blah. How can you dispute the truth of this blah blah blah. You must be a moron."
Then I will most likely attempt to remove the offending stuff, and try to salvage what remains of the post.
Kwea's post was, in essence, "I don't know what you said but you're a moron for saying it."
quote: ...praising me as moderator. You won't get much mileage I'm sure, but hey, nobody has yet to try.
I won't be doing that.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Don't be such a tealitist, Tom. Some herbal teas aren't utterly terrible!
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
Good or bad, they're still not really tea.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Well Dobbie, you're known for doing so much and putting so much of yourself out there it's really stunning that you won't be doing that. Have you reconsidered? It just seems so unlike you!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Dobbie:
quote:You've obviously seen it now.
You are right, I'll see to fixing it some time hopefully today.
quote:Seriously?
Yes seriously.
quote:Kwea's post was, in essence, "I don't know what you said but you're a moron for saying it."
I don't break posts down into their essences when editing.
quote:I won't be doing that
Then why are you asking about my moderating? It's clear you don't expect I'll do the right thing.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote: "The Mormon commitment to good health usually makes an impression."
The impression my cousin's wife's cooking makes on me is: wow, this woman is a huge fan of refined sugars, refined flowers, and all things high in cholesterol and fat. I think the menu the last time I visited their house was: Salad with ranch dressing, cheese, and bacon. Fried ham in a sugar syrup with pineapple, hamburgers, and baked potatoes.
But we didn't get a coffee after dinner because that would be unhealthy. Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I don't break posts down into their essences when editing.
So you really expect to see a post sometime that literally says:
quote: "blah blah blah functions as the blah blah blah in this discussion of blah blah blah. How can you dispute the truth of this blah blah blah. You must be a moron."
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Well, when you've been reading religious debates for a few hours,
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Dobbie:
quote:So you really expect to see a post sometime that literally says...
I'm not sure what you are asking. I don't glaze over posts looking for pejoratives. When a post is reported, I read the entire thing. If I happen on it while just viewing the forum I reread the entire post.
My writing "blah blah blah" was to create substantial text that is couching the offending stuff, but I didn't want to just make something plausible up because it'd be a waste of energy.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Waste of energy...wouldn't want *that*!
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
I have a question for you Dobbie...did you whistle Kwea's post?
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
Whistle?
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
The "Report Post" with a blowing whistle icon next to it under each and every post...it's how we let BB know that we are offended by a post or a post is inappropriate.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
Of course not.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
If you didn't report the post, why are you complaining about how nothing was done about it?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Because he's Dobbie, and this sort of thing is his thing.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Is this your kind of thing Dobbie? Complaining when others don't do their work, while at the same time being unwilling to do your part to help? (really asking)
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
(I actually meant screwing around with people on the forum, but that's an interesting question!)
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
I have no interest in seeing Kwea's post deleted. My issue is with other posts, mine included, being deleted unfairly.
chutzpah [(khoot-spuh, hoot-spuh)] (noun) 1.That quality enshrined in a man who, having killed his mother and father, throws himself on the mercy of the court because he is an orphan. 2.That quality enshrined in a moderator who, having deleted a post, claims "the rest of your post no longer exists to make the comparison more useful."
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
How would you go about suggesting he make a comparison, then?
I mean I realize that's not your thing-making helpful, relevant suggestions-but give it a shot! Anyway, I doubt very much you actually have an 'issue' with this-that you care about it. In fact I think it's more likely you're grateful, because this gives you something to complain about and make some zingers on!
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
wait...he's made zingers?
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
quote:Anyway, I doubt very much you actually have an 'issue' with this-that you care about it. In fact I think it's more likely you're grateful, because this gives you something to complain about and make some zingers on!
Seriously. You should be counting your blessings that JB hasn't banned you yet. I very much doubt anyone would question his decision if he did.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dobbie: I have no interest in seeing Kwea's post deleted. My issue is with other posts, mine included, being deleted unfairly.
chutzpah [(khoot-spuh, hoot-spuh)] (noun) 1.That quality enshrined in a man who, having killed his mother and father, throws himself on the mercy of the court because he is an orphan. 2.That quality enshrined in a moderator who, having deleted a post, claims "the rest of your post no longer exists to make the comparison more useful."
Chutzpah doesn't enter into it. I read your post, decided it needed to go, and so it is gone. There is no record of it that I can retrieve to defend my decisions. If you had an issue with it, you would need to respond sooner.
If your post is whistled then I do retain a record of it.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
chutzpah [(khoot-spuh, hoot-spuh)] (noun) 1. That quality enshrined in a man who, after being permanently banned from a forum, harasses the current moderator of that forum from behind his new username.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Oh, I don't know about that. Chutzpah usually implies (as I understand it) some actual gutsiness of some sort, y'know? Not the kind that prods people from the total, uninhibited safety of the Internet.
Mouthing off to the cop who busted you for DUI and thus lost your license after you got it back much later, that might be chutzpah-stupid, though. (Heh, strangely that comparison ended up being more apt than I thought when I started it!
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
"Harasses the current moderator"?
I never once even mentioned the moderator directly or indirectly until I started this thread less than 48 hours ago. Since that time I have replied 8 times (including this reply).
Two of those posts were about tea/herbal tea, and had absolutely nothing to do with the moderator or his actions.
Two were in response to Stone_Wolf's question.
One was a response to a post by the moderator.
Some harrasment.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
You wanted to know why your post got axed and a very similar one didn't...because BB happened to spot yours, and not Kwea's...and no one (including yourself) whistled his.
Now you know, and and knowing is half the battle.
If this thread is simply seeking an answer, it served it's purpose...if it was to whine about unfair treatment, well, then I doubt you are satisfied.
So...ball is in your court.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
Did I hit a nerve Dobie? Seems like someone who gives it out as much as you do would be less sensitive.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Xavier: chutzpah [(khoot-spuh, hoot-spuh)] (noun) 1. That quality enshrined in a man who, after being permanently banned from a forum, harasses the current moderator of that forum from behind his new username.
What "man"? Child, perhaps.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dobbie: I have no interest in seeing Kwea's post deleted. My issue is with other posts, mine included, being deleted unfairly.
Ok, so make an argument that the post was deleted unfairly!
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
quote:Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_: You wanted to know why your post got axed and a very similar one didn't...because BB happened to spot yours, and not Kwea's...and no one (including yourself) whistled his.
If your argument held water Kwea's post would no longer exist by now, and it still does.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
What Samp said.
Also, BB said "hopefully today" yesterday...he has to moderate the whole site as well as presumably have a life, and yet you feel it is appropriate to expect instant results but won't take the time to even click the "Report Post" button.
Get over it already.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dobbie:
quote:Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_: You wanted to know why your post got axed and a very similar one didn't...because BB happened to spot yours, and not Kwea's...and no one (including yourself) whistled his.
If your argument held water Kwea's post would no longer exist by now, and it still does.
His post was modified a little earlier today.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
Nice try.
Kwea's post was not modified until 5:25 P.M.
JanitorBlade posted this:
quote:Originally posted by JanitorBlade: Ace of Spades: I honestly can't recall what your post said anymore, but I stand by my decision to remove it.
Kwea: Please don't insult other posters.
in the same thread at 12:33 A.M., at which time he did not modify the post.
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
Well, this was jolly good fun.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dobbie: 5:25 P.M. 12:33 A.M.
These times are not comparable. For some reason, edit stamps do not get modified the way post time stamps do, depending on the time zone you have chosen.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Dobbie: I wrote that post to Kwea and AOS much earlier. Today, I edited Kwea's post, as upon reflection I didn't feel I should let it stand.
And I don't appreciate being called a liar.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Ok, so make an argument that the post was deleted unfairly!
or don't and just kind of keep whinging about whatever, sure
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Come on you silent majority who secretly support Dobbie, don't let him twist in the wind by his lonesome, step up and support your champion! (In other words, no one agrees with you, Dobbie, why not take that under consideration?)
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
So I just read this entire thread, for whatever reason. All I can say is thanks for doing a good job, JanitorBlade.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Shouldn't this have been taken to PM?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Not if he wants to publicly point out his victimization, poke fun at HR, and indirectly proclaim superiority he shouldn't.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I thought the whole "silent majority" was Ron Lambert's whole deal
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
We are the 99%.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
Yeah, so is BB the evil contributor, or the conflicted fallen Senator?
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Oh Dobbie, you aren't fighting for some noble lost cause against a corrupt standing body. You are being inconsolably prickly. Kwea's bad comment was a reaction to your bad comment...your negative behavior was the start of this and now you portray yourself to be some kind of martyr to this horrible injustice you have suffered and its all just crap.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Guidelines that are both HARD and FAST?
You ask too much.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:Oh Dobbie, you aren't fighting for some noble lost cause against a corrupt standing body. You are being inconsolably prickly. Kwea's bad comment was a reaction to your bad comment...your negative behavior was the start of this and now you portray yourself to be some kind of martyr to this horrible injustice you have suffered and its all just crap.
It's really quite a lot simpler than that: Dobbie is screwing with people, that's all. He's portraying himself this way because...well, that's his thing-messing with people.
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_: Come on you silent majority who secretly support Dobbie, don't let him twist in the wind by his lonesome, step up and support your champion! (In other words, no one agrees with you, Dobbie, why not take that under consideration?)
I agree entirely with Dobbie's point about the inconsistent moderation between his post and Kwea's. Now that BB has amended his mistake, I think everyone should stop making such a big deal about it and move on with their business.
Though, I also agreed with Dobbie's original post, and felt it was a fair response to Rabbit.
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
I think it's very strange to use the word "mistake" when describing the fact that BB didn't modify a post that never even got whistled.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Small correction: I think it's very strange to use the word "mistake" when describing the fact that it took a day for BB to modify a post that never even got whistled.
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
Thanks, Stone_Wolfe_. That's a fair correction. Considering the size of this forum, and the amount of activity it gets, if BB only takes a day to modify a post that wasn't even whistled, that's pretty good in my book.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
You know what chaps my ass about this whole situation? Not getting 24/7/365 customer service assistance in our moderation about bad posts! Really burns me up, it does!
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
I may request my money back.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
BTW, I do in fact have a record of AOS's comment. After review, I stand by my decision. Imagine that.
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
You're right, it never got whistled, now if only there had been some other clue about the post's existence... Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:BTW, I do in fact have a record of AOS's comment. After review, I stand by my decision. Imagine that.
I demand to speak to your supervisor, who may or may not be monitoring this conversation for customer service satisfaction!
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
quote:Originally posted by jebus202: You're right, it never got whistled, now if only there had been some other clue about the post's existence...
I almost commented on that, but then thought, "Seriously, no one is going to suggest that it falls within BB's scope of responsibility to go searching for a post that wasn't even linked from the complaining thread."
I guess I was wrong.
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
With respect to BlackBlade and the efforts he puts in, I don't understand how that wouldn't fall under his scope of responsibility, especially when we're talking about a current thread.
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
Wow. I would never moderate a board where it was the community expectation that I go searching for threads when it would be simple for the complainer to whistle them, or at least provide a link in his public complaint.
To expect otherwise is, in my mind, disrespect to BB and the efforts he puts in. Why in the world would someone choose to disrespect that work by making EXTRA work for him? Providing that link is under the scope of the poster's responsibility.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
It's BlackBlade's responsibility to check up on unwhistled posts which are mentioned, not even linked, by a known pain in the ass member complaining in an absurd, clearly screwing-with-us fashion?
Naw. Dobbie knows how to get BlackBlade to notice, y'know, a thread that deserves notice. It's right there in every single post-hell, right here it's on the screen at least a dozen times! He could've gotten exactly what he claimed to want in a much more direct, less attention-grabbing way. I don't know why on Earth anyone is taking it seriously-which leads me to think that...maybe you're not (shocking from Jebus, too:p )
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Is it too late for me to disrespect the effort he puts in too? Because I'm fairly sure there's been long stretches of time where he's not actively moderating the forum. Something of an average of 7 hours, typically during the night. Is that what passes for moderation around here?
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Is it too late for me to disrespect the effort he puts in too? Because I'm fairly sure there's been long stretches of time where he's not actively moderating the forum. Something of an average of 7 hours, typically during the night. Is that what passes for moderation around here?
Get in line behind me, but be aware that when I get my money back, there may not be any left for you.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Is it too late for me to disrespect the effort he puts in too? Because I'm fairly sure there's been long stretches of time where he's not actively moderating the forum. Something of an average of 7 hours, typically during the night. Is that what passes for moderation around here?
I've noticed that too, but my innate sense of fairness prevented me from bringing it up.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jeorge: Get in line behind me, but be aware that when I get my money back, there may not be any left for you.
I thought that in the case of a class-action whinging, everyone could claim an equal amount.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
Moderation here has sucked ever since Janitor Blade got outsourced to India.
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
Nothing's done in moderation any more?
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: It's BlackBlade's responsibility to check up on unwhistled posts which are mentioned, not even linked, by a known pain in the ass member complaining in an absurd, clearly screwing-with-us fashion?
Well, I'm not setting BB's mandate, but as I understand the rules of "being respectful", if he's made aware of disrespectful behaviour, he's gotta go get rid of it. The context for how he was made aware, or who did it seems irrelevant from a perspective of doing the job, since one post like that can easily spiral into a large thread full of posts like that.
BlackBlade did eventually check up on it, and did do something about it. So I don't know why you're arguing he shouldn't have done that, you're just arguing that he shouldn't have done it right away I guess?
And to clarify, because I know someone is going to make a comment about me (though I can't remember the last time BB had to moderate me (mmm, sounds kinda kinky)), I don't take issue with the substance of either post, I'm just commenting on the different way they were handled.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I eventually just ran a search for Kwea's post when Dobbie quoted it, it wasn't that hard to find. I'd greatly prefer a post be whistled, but I wouldn't say that just because a post wasn't whistled that I can then just give it a miss.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
quote:BlackBlade did eventually check up on it, and did do something about it. So I don't know why you're arguing he shouldn't have done that, you're just arguing that he shouldn't have done it right away I guess?
Either I'm confused, or your confused.
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I eventually just ran a search for Kwea's post when Dobbie quoted it, it wasn't that hard to find. I'd greatly prefer a post be whistled, but I wouldn't say that just because a post wasn't whistled that I can then just give it a miss.
That's what I did, too...though it probably took me quite a bit longer than it took you, since I'm not as familiar as most with how the searching features work here.
And while I applaud you wanting to not "give it a miss", I've moderated a board before, and I know that even on a board much less active than this one, I couldn't see *everything*, and I relied on people to bring things to my attention from time to time.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
Jebus, you may have pre-empted the eventual internet interaction inspired sexual role-play. Congratulations. In fact there is already a template to work with. Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_:
quote:BlackBlade did eventually check up on it, and did do something about it. So I don't know why you're arguing he shouldn't have done that, you're just arguing that he shouldn't have done it right away I guess?
Either I'm confused, or your confused.
Probably both, it's a confusing world.
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
quote:Originally posted by AchillesHeel: Jebus, you may have pre-empted the eventual internet interaction inspired sexual role-play. Congratulations. [/URL]
Oh great, another game I won't be cool enough to play.
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_:
quote:BlackBlade did eventually check up on it, and did do something about it. So I don't know why you're arguing he shouldn't have done that, you're just arguing that he shouldn't have done it right away I guess?
Either I'm confused, or your confused.
Rakeesh said that BB shouldn't be held accountable to doing something, and jebus flipped that around and said that Rakeesh was saying BB SHOULDN'T do it at all.
At least, that's how I read that. Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
You're right, my phrasing was off, but I don't think that matters much now since BB's own input on the issue.
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
That's it, I refuse to allow this protest to continue with mere words, I'm taking it to the next level, I'm holding a hungry strike till this is resolved.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
A hungry strike?
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
A Freudian slip, perhaps I should also engage in a spelling/grammar strike, that would prove my point.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
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