Lisa, where are you.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Keep talking, and hopefully the right people will realize you oughtn't be kept around, too.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I was just saying it's been about a month since somalian / clive candy / sa'eed made another dicky troll thread to remind us that he constantly wishes to test the edges of his posting restrictions. Fortunately this thread showed up and eased our collective tension.
Hey clive. Funny story, lisa is off being a jew, and also as a woman, is part of women. so she is also off collectively inflating the price of sex and forcing you to look for an offshore surrogate-for-hire at discount prices. This conflicts a little with her tribal jew mentality (jews) but on the whole you can be sure she would still TKO you in a cage fight.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I was thinking of posting something along the lines of "Not here because of you." But thought it too tacky. I am now relieved.
Posted by Sa'eed (Member # 12368) on :
I was being genuine. I enjoyed reading Lisa's posts.
But hey, whatevs.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sa'eed: I was being genuine.
No worries, we totally genuinely trust you when you tell us about lack of implied subtexts. Your genuinity is certainly vetted with us.
Posted by Sa'eed (Member # 12368) on :
Oh well.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Sa'eed: Lisa was banned some time ago from Hatrack. It strains credulity you didn't know that but there it is.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
I don't think there'll likely ever be a more appropriate time for me to say that I also kinda miss Lisa.
And it does seem sort of awful that Sa'eed isn't banned, but Lisa was. Not really intending this as a strong criticism of you, BB. I'm sure there were good reasons at the time, but looking back from here it seems lame.
Posted by Sa'eed (Member # 12368) on :
I did know. Doesn't mean I don't miss her.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
If you knew, why would you ask her to tell you where she is? She can't post in response. And encouraging her to break the ban only makes my job harder
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: ... makes my job harder
I think that's called answering your own question.
Posted by Sa'eed (Member # 12368) on :
I merely intended to signal that I appreciated Lisa and her posts, notwithstandingg the noxious Zionism and all. Anyway, toodles.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Hey, I guess we'll keep giving AoS and Sa'eed the benefit of the doubt, for some bizarre burden-of-proof reason, that they're not the same person, and not actively attempting to screw with and damage the forum for amusement.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
I don't think they're the same person, Rakeesh.
I agree they both sometimes seem to enjoy screwing with the forum, though.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Can't the admin trace their IP?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sa'eed: I merely intended to signal that I appreciated Lisa and her posts, notwithstandingg the noxious Zionism and all. Anyway, toodles.
don't worry buddy we totally believe you that this is what you merely intended!! goodbye until next trolling!!!1
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Can't the admin trace their IP?
This isn't CSI: Miami.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
It's a standard admin tool. In fact there's a little thing that says "IP: Logged" in everyone's post, which mod's can click on and presumably show your ip, which can be traced.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
And next to that there's a picture of the Tin Man saying "Report Post". That doesn't make this is the Enchanted City of Oz.
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Sa'eed: Lisa was banned some time ago from Hatrack. It strains credulity you didn't know that but there it is.
I actually didn't know that. That's sad.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dobbie:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Can't the admin trace their IP?
This isn't CSI: Miami.
Enhance!
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
Shall I dramatically take off my glasses while looking out a window?
Posted by Misha McBride (Member # 6578) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Hey clive. Funny story, lisa is off being a jew, and also as a woman, is part of women. so she is also off collectively inflating the price of sex and forcing you to look for an offshore surrogate-for-hire at discount prices. This conflicts a little with her tribal jew mentality (jews) but on the whole you can be sure she would still TKO you in a cage fight.
I want to marry this post.
Posted by T:man (Member # 11614) on :
I miss Lisa too, super bummed she was banned.
She was the first poster here I started to recognize by name.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I hadn't known Lisa was banned. It makes sense, although I do suddenly kind of miss her now that her absence is pointed out to me.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I didn't know either, but I pretty much stopped reading her threads years ago. While I respected her tenacity, I got tired of it all.
Wherever she is, I wish her well. But I wouldn't say I miss her.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Misha McBride: I want to marry this post.
See, this is what happens when you let gays marry. soon people are marrying dolphins, or my posts.
I am pretty super impressed with anyone who missed the ramping spectacle of lisa's banning and her production of sock puppet alt-ness. Alas, tragically, lisa was banned on the eight million billionth instance of her doing something banworthy and refusing to stop, and now we must live in a tragic reality of a hatrack where israel threads won't invariably get locked.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
In other news. This is .. yao ming's custom bicycle.
To be fair, I don't think dolphins would mind. They have a well recorded interest in humans.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
so long, and thanks for all the pre-nups
Posted by adenam (Member # 11902) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: so long, and thanks for all the pre-nups
Made my day. Thanks.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
Dolphins can apparently be very violent. I won't hesitate to call the police if I see any poster and a dolphin fighting each other. *points finger dramatically*
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
As long as one of them isn't wearing a hoodie they should be fine.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
Interestingly enough, a dolphin just joined my neighborhood watch group.
Posted by Jeff C. (Member # 12496) on :
Anyone care to explain to me what happened between Lisa and Sa'eed? What did she do that got her banned?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Please, no. The potential for good coming out of such a conversation is much lower than the potential for bad.
Posted by Jeff C. (Member # 12496) on :
On a side note, all of this talk about dolphins...
*dramatically takes off sunglasses*
...sounds a little fishy. Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Please, no. The potential for good coming out of such a conversation is much lower than the potential for bad.
*crashes through wall*
DID SOMEONE ASK WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN LISA AND SA'EED? WELL THAT IS A FUNNY STORY
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Saeed is a anti semetic and a mysoginist and kept baiting Lisa with the protocols of zion.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
I honestly didn't know Lisa had been banned. I must have missed that...
I don't suppose there's some way to get a list of all the banned members, is there?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Please, no.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kwea: As long as one of them isn't wearing a hoodie they should be fine.
Agh. I wish people would get their grammar straight on this sort of thing. What you meant to say was that the dolphins would be OK if none of them was wearing a hoodie. If any dolphin wears a hoodie it will be shot. If you have three dolphins and two of them wear hoodies, then this satisfies your sentence: One of them is not wearing a hoodie. Yet clearly they are not going to be fine.
If you insist on having a 'one' in your sentence, you could say "As long as no one of them is wearing a hoodie, they'll be fine."
Similarly, people keep saying (for example) "All men are not bastards", indicating that there are no bastard men in the world, when what they mean is "Not all men are bastards", which allows for the presence of bastard men but asserts the existence of at least one non-bastard.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
Not all dolphins are bastards.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
I know a dolphin who's an evangelical preacher. He bought a mobile home and converted it to a mobile church which he drives around spreading the word.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheHumanTarget: I don't suppose there's some way to get a list of all the banned members, is there?
Yeah, that couldn't cause any trouble. Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I'm not going to enumerate here exactly why Lisa was banned, nor do I intend to compile a comprehensive list of people banned in the past.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dobbie: I know a dolphin who's an evangelical preacher. He bought a mobile home and converted it to a mobile church which he drives around spreading the word.
"Believe that God has a plan, oh yes my fellow pod members he has a porpoise for us all."
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
No.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheHumanTarget: I honestly didn't know Lisa had been banned. I must have missed that...
I don't suppose there's some way to get a list of all the banned members, is there?
*crashes through wall again*
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO CREATE A DRAMA-INDUCING BANLIST THAT WILL GIVE MR_PORTERIO_HEAD HIVES. WOULD YOU LIKE HELP FORMATTING IT?
You would have to include Sa'eed something like 6 times. He created alts constantly to get around bans for his rampant misogynistic, racist, and anti-semitic threadbombing, then admitted he makes alts specifically to do this.
Speaking of which:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Sa'eed: Lisa was banned some time ago from Hatrack. It strains credulity you didn't know that but there it is.
He knew.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
No complaints over thread so far though, these dalliances are always entertaining.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Yeah, of course he did. Given the pleasure he, tHT, and AoS took in baiting Lisa (who responded just as they would've wished), I really don't see why anyone would grant them the benefit of the doubt on this, if they were posting at the same times. For those who weren't, though, it's a big pile of forum drama that you can expect them to stir up because they 'miss' her periodically. Nobody who saw their interactions would believe for a second that Sa'eed, for example, actually does miss her-except as a trolling target.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Let he that has never taken pleasure in crafting a perfectly within-the-TOS post that is nevertheless sure to cause someone's blood pressure to rise, cast the first accusations of trolling.
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
What was her last thread? I vanished for a while. Sounds like I missed some fun.
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: So, Janitor, I replied to your email. I'm thinking it might be worth posting my reply here on Hatrack. I certainly have nothing to be embarrassed about in our correspondance. Do you?
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
I wasn't trying to stir the pot, I just don't recognize a large majority of the current posters and was genuinely curious about the "old gang".
There was always a level of discourse and bickering, but it's like a ghost town now...was everyone banned or did they take their toys and leave?
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
THT, many of the 'old gang' left many years ago, well before any of the events (not) being discussed in this thread.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:...was everyone banned or did they take their toys and leave?
One of these is much more likely than the other.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
This is what happens when I leave you guys unsupervised?
Darn...
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
Everyone got banned.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
In all seriousness though, did most people move to another board?
If so, I think I'd like it there...
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
sakeriver.com/forum, if you're looking for old familiar faces. Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: So, Janitor, I replied to your email. I'm thinking it might be worth posting my reply here on Hatrack. I certainly have nothing to be embarrassed about in our correspondance. Do you?
That is not a last thread. That is a last post.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
Wow...sakeriver IS where everyone went...
Thanks!
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Stephan: What was her last thread? I vanished for a while. Sounds like I missed some fun.
Ok. I am pointing this out not just for how fun it is to remind everyone about the History of Sa'eed (and banned alts Clive Candy, somalian, Contents Under Pressure, Cindy Carter, and others) and drive a bat repeatedly and satisfyingly into that dead horse, but because it relates specifically to Sa'eed making an obvious trollthread where he goes 'hrurr wat am happen 2 lisa? gosh i dinnit know she r banned!1.12//??'
This was where it went down (or at least where lisa swore and namecalled through the last of her potential clemency to the point of being officially asked to leave).
Note some strange things about this thread. Hmm that is odd. Why look at whose thread it is. I am a detective in my spare time, who works on really obvious cases like "is sa'eed trolling"
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
Ah, caught up now. I have know doubt he does miss her. He probably can't get a rise out of many others.
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
Why did everyone from here go there? I'm way too used to this format, and it makes my eyes hurt...
Posted by Misha McBride (Member # 6578) on :
...so why is Sa'eed not banned again?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Mike (saxon75) added a forum to his personal website and invited people over. He's not the only one, there were 5ish smaller forums mostly populated by Hatrackers for awhile, but sake and Galactic Cactus are the only ones still active I believe. Initially, most people who participated remained at Hatrack as well, and the others were fairly small and slow.
People started spending more time at the other forums for various reasons. Membership tends to grow every time Hatrack goes down for awhile. Some people who post there still lurk here, some are somewhat active. There are various theories on why sake became more popular with many "old-timers" than Hatrack, none of them probably hold true for everyone there. There are also people who don't like sake for various reasons and used to participate but don't anymore. That's the basics. Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
I always just assumed it was because they're allowed to curse over there. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by ElJay: sake and Galactic Cactus are the only ones still active I believe.
Technically, Tick's forum is still active. But if you ignore the gaming stuff, it's like 5 posts/week.
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
Thanks ElJay.
Can we get a little more in-depth? In the many years I've lurked/actively participated, I've had a hard time fully grasping the community that is Hatrack and its dynamics. Without the existence of Sake, I would have assumed people got tired of the same personalities arguing over the same things and people realizing that little discussion was ever actually happening. But that doesn't explain why they have migrated to Sake...
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: I always just assumed it was because they're allowed to curse over there.
That's certainly the biggest appeal for me.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Armoth: But that doesn't explain why they have migrated to Sake...
It was the best available refugee forum.
Posted by Jeff C. (Member # 12496) on :
quote:Originally posted by Misha McBride: ...so why is Sa'eed not banned again?
Because he's tricksy. From the thread that was linked, you can tell that Lisa took things very personally and got emotional over what was said. Sa'eed didn't get emotional, probably because he was intentionally trying to get a rise out of people and didn't actually care. In other words, trolling.
I don't know his posting history, though, so I'm only basing this on what was in the one thread.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jeff C.: Sa'eed didn't get emotional, probably because he was intentionally trying to get a rise out of people and didn't actually care.
Can we get a little more in-depth? In the many years I've lurked/actively participated, I've had a hard time fully grasping the community that is Hatrack and its dynamics. Without the existence of Sake, I would have assumed people got tired of the same personalities arguing over the same things and people realizing that little discussion was ever actually happening. But that doesn't explain why they have migrated to Sake...
You're right, it doesn't. For some people, it's definitely the functionality of being able to play games like D&D over there. That was its part of its original purpose.
For others, whenever somebody takes umbrage with a book or column by Mr. Card they come here and say so, they don't go over to Sake, so those who want to avoid those sorts of threads feel safer over there. People form a habit of going to Sake, or feel they've been gone from Hatrack too long to come back. Still others miss certain posters and so migrate over there so as to chat with them. I post their prolifically, but I'm still around here just as often.
I for one won't be going anywhere.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
My personal theory is that the people who are most active at sake are the people who cared most about the "community" aspect of the forums, and migrated when that became harder to maintain here. I'm not saying things are all wine & roses -- there are fights, and occasionally moderation. But it's pretty infrequent. Most of the people who are there know what they disagree with who on, and mostly don't discuss it with them.
It is a generally more vocally liberal forum, and I know many of the more conservative posters who are there feel they have to keep quiet on their views to keep the peace. Many of the people who are active there have attended at least one gathering where they met other forum members in person, and as such feel more strongly that the people they are talking to are friends (although that is by no means required or universal!)
Also, many of the people there are ones who tried to do "community moderation" here, until the size of the forum made it ineffective. It is still somewhat effective there, community standards are mostly enforced, although some people don't agree with all of the standards.
Of course, as I am one of the frequent posters and a moderator there, you must realize that mine is a somewhat idealized viewpoint. I'm not trying to evangelize, although you are of course welcome. I don't post over here as much any more because there are not as many conversations that interest me. How much of that is self-fullfilling is anyone's guess. But I like people more than I like arguments.
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Armoth: [qb] I for one won't be going anywhere.
You weren't invited anywhere.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
You say those are the reasons, but Rivka already confirmed the real reason.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Well, yes. Also, PMs. Those are nice.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
As to why Sa'eed is not banned. That is between him and me. I'm not praying each night that he give me a reason to ban him, but I have spelled out what I expect from him as a poster. If he stays within the parameters set, he can continue to post here.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Armoth: [qb] I for one won't be going anywhere.
You weren't invited anywhere.
Joining a new forum does not usually require an invitation.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I'm probably not going to be the only one to tell you this, but the parameters set should also include disallowing him from doing stuff which can be easily construed as trolling (such as when he is obviously trolling) using a if-it-walks-like-a-duck mentality. It baffles me that he gets to play the forum so easily with a benefit of the doubt he should have lost at, oh, say, his fourth consecutive troll account. Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Joining a new forum does not usually require an invitation.
Nor does it generally require going anywhere.
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
Thanks, That makes sense I guess.
Still love Hatrack. Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Samprimary: I'm fully aware of all those points you've mentioned. I'm completely aware you and others believe he should have been banned long ago.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Joining a new forum does not usually require an invitation.
Nor does it generally require going anywhere.
The words we use to describe visiting a website generally include words like "going". Such as, "I'm going on Facebook right now".
But I'm not really interested in your baiting me into an argument.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:I don't suppose there's some way to get a list of all the banned members, is there?
They're probably listed on the album cover.
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold:
quote:I don't suppose there's some way to get a list of all the banned members, is there?
They're probably listed on the album cover.
::chuckle::
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Armoth: Thanks, That makes sense I guess.
Still love Hatrack.
It's not an either/or sort of thing.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by Armoth: Thanks, That makes sense I guess.
Still love Hatrack.
It's not an either/or sort of thing.
True. But,
Hatrack -----> Sake is a common development. Sake -----> Hatrack is something I've yet to see happen.
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
After reading this thread, all I could think of is:
TNT knows drama.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I frequent Hatrack, Sake River, and Galactic Cactus. Because I know y'all can't get enough of me. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by SteveRogers: I frequent Hatrack, Sake River, and Galactic Cactus. Because I know y'all can't get enough of me.
Ditto.
BB, that misses the point. It's not like starting to post on sake means stopping to post on Hatrack. (It can, but it certainly isn't a requirement.)
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Rivka: Right, but what I'm saying is that out of people who leave a place to migrate to another (ignoring those who just start visiting both) nobody leaves Sake for Hatrack. It's a one way street.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
If I could've remembered my password or the e-mail address I used when I registered at Sake years ago, I'd have the same screen name at all three forums. But, alas.
Edit:
It appears my screen name of choice was registered with a now dormant e-mail address which no longer exists due to a lack of use.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: It's a one way street.
More like a funnel.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Someday I may leap from lurking SR into posting there, but I don't think I'll stop posting here if I do.
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
I'm not used to the concept of leaving your "virtual home" bc u don't like the neighbors.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
It is leaving your virtual home if half the neighborhood moves with you?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I really miss some of the people who now post over at sake, but not enough to ever return there. Most of the people I miss I still stay in contact with IRL, so it all works out.
I for one didn't find sakeriver to be very welcoming, and at the time there was still significant cross posting, so I didn't miss it when I stopped going there.
In all fairness, I doubt I am missed much either.
I do think that SR has grown a ton because of people getting fed up over here....either with the trolls feeding, or the articles from Mr. Card that some of them have taken issue with (sometimes with good reason), but it was different from the get go as well. It's more than just Hatrack overflow, although that is part of it.
It's not for everyone, but just because I didn't like it, or feel welcome after a time, doesn't mean it is a bad place. It's just....different that here, and I like it here. Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
I considered joining SR yesterday, but a part of me feels like I would be cheating on the Rack...
Even with my many trial separations over the years (sounds better than lurking), I'm not ready to pull the plug.
Never gonna... Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Rivka: Right, but what I'm saying is that out of people who leave a place to migrate to another (ignoring those who just start visiting both) nobody leaves Sake for Hatrack. It's a one way street.
No it's not.
I fluctuate in my participate in both HR and SR. There have been multiple times where I've stopped/decreased my SR participation while simultaneously renewing/increasing my HR participation.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Rivka: Right, but what I'm saying is that out of people who leave a place to migrate to another (ignoring those who just start visiting both) nobody leaves Sake for Hatrack. It's a one way street.
No it's not.
I fluctuate in my participate in both HR and SR. There have been multiple times where I've stopped/decreased my SR participation while simultaneously renewing/increasing my HR participation.
You're misunderstanding me, I already said I'm talking purely about those who post in one or the other, not those who balance their time between both.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Most people who have joined SR from HR have continued to post in both for years.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
mph, I don't think that's BB's point. He's not making a comment on the likelihood that someone will post at both places. What he's saying is that while many SR posters come over from Hatrack, SR posters who come to SR independent of Hatrack almost never end up becoming Hatrack posters, if and when they leave SR. At least that's how I read him.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kwea: I for one didn't find sakeriver to be very welcoming. . .
This has been my experience as well over there.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
BB's point, though, is kinda unfair, because there have been a vanishingly small number of people who found sake first without coming there from HR. Most of those found it through personal relationships with people who are active on sake, like Kristy. The few that have found it through google searches generally have posted once or twice and then gone away.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
That's probably true ElJay, I was just clarifying BB's point. Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
quote:Originally posted by ElJay: BB's point, though, is kinda unfair...
Not the first time.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
You should totally continue haranguing BB, AoS. It doesn't at all seriously undermine your more serious whining about how unfair he is, and how unjust his moderation is, when his biggest and most frequent detractor pokes at him like a peeved child.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I'm not going to enumerate here exactly why Lisa was banned, nor do I intend to compile a comprehensive list of people banned in the past.
Slacker.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Eljay: I love Sake, LOVE it. I started posting there specifically because people I cared about from here were there. But I feel sad when people leave here and settle there. I want them to be happy, but we're still deprived of their contributions over here if they stop visiting here. Sake frequently has people mentioning how they never come here anymore because Hatrack is just too inhospitable. It grates me a little bit, because yes I'm the moderator. ----------
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by ElJay: BB's point, though, is kinda unfair...
Not the first time.
I'm sure you were just waiting with bated breath for the moment you could post that, or some variation of it. You really don't need to poke and prod me. It's unfortunate you feel it necessary.
[ May 01, 2012, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: BlackBlade ]
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: ...with baited (sic) breath for the moment you could post that, or some variation of it.
bated
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
Actually, both spellings are considered acceptable.
However, the form used (baited) was probably closer to your actual meaning, in that you had an ulterior motive to "persecute, tease, or harass somebody..."
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: ...with baited (sic) breath for the moment you could post that, or some variation of it.
bated
I think you are a bad person.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheHumanTarget: Actually, both spellings are considered acceptable.
Only if you mean to imply that you have cheese on your breath, and are trying to catch mice.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
I think we both know that words can be bait, especially cheesy words.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Scientists have discovered the perfect response to AoS posts. I have recreated it here for convenience.
quote:Shut up, AoS.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: ...with baited (sic) breath for the moment you could post that, or some variation of it.
bated
Thank you for the correction. I hope some part of you listens to the rest of what I said.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Eljay: I love Sake, LOVE it.
I never said you didn't. And I know it must suck when people talk bad about hatrack. You'll note that I didn't say I don't post here as much anymore because I find it inhospitable -- I said there are not as many conversations that interest me, which is the truth. I still come by and check fairly frequently.
But your statement that people don't come here from sake is still pretty silly. I just sorted the sake memberlist by posts and reviewed everyone with 1000 posts or more. (95 members) There are 2 that weren't Hatrack members first, one of whom did in fact make an account here an post for awhile. (The Genuine.)So when almost everyone there started here, who exactly is supposed to become a member here after starting there?
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Well, isn't that kind of the point? Your numbers demonstrate that nobody moves from Sakeriver to Hatrack. You may have identified a cause, namely that the population of Sakeriver is basically ex-Hatrackers, but this doesn't contradict the actual statement.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Yeah, um....I think you just proved BB's point, ElJay, insofar as he had one.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I'm not trying to contradict his statement. I'm saying that this:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Rivka: Right, but what I'm saying is that out of people who leave a place to migrate to another (ignoring those who just start visiting both) nobody leaves Sake for Hatrack. It's a one way street.
emphasis added, is basically an impossible complaint. I read his point as being that Hatrack feeds sake but sake doesn't feed Hatrack. But how could it?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
ElJay:
quote:I never said you didn't.
I was hedging before talking about aspects of Sake that bug me. I know you weren't questioning my enjoyment of the place.
I don't expect Sake to feed Hatrack, I understand that the dynamics of the place don't lend it to feeding any community. I'm merely noting that there are not refugees from Sake over here. So when people are encouraged to flock to Sake, especially in the vein of "All these people you miss are there, come one, come all!" (not that anybody used those precise words) there is a chance those people will decide they'd rather remain in Sake than try to contribute to the community here. People have a right to do that, there's nothing wrong or even unethical about it, but it does bother me because I want this place to flourish.
People being seduced away by Sake (If you'll pardon the verb) isn't contributing to the health of Hatrack. If nothing else, this place needs more people.*
*Watch when the EG movie comes out we'll probably have a huge influx, and I'll gripe about how busy I am.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: People being seduced away by Sake (If you'll pardon the verb) isn't contributing to the health of Hatrack.
While true, it's a ship that has sailed. It also blames a cause for an effect, IMO.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
assuming the standard brouhaha over the refugee forum phenomenon, then the sailed ship contains in large part a group of people who define themselves triumphantly as refugees. Like as in instead of saying "I am sad that hatrack isn't a place I feel welcome at/can post in" it's more "Boy I am SO GLAD I don't post there anymore, hi five expat buddies"
regarding the latter: little ultimately lost
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I see. I considered what I was doing answering a question, not encouraging a migration. Because sake has been critisied before for being exclusive, unwelcoming, and kept a secret from people at Hatrack we don't want to join. I don't think any of those are the case, but leaving the question unanswered would have been pretty strong evidence that they are.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: *Watch when the EG movie comes out we'll probably have a huge influx, and I'll gripe about how busy I am.
That event may be a good time for me to cash in
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: People being seduced away by Sake (If you'll pardon the verb) isn't contributing to the health of Hatrack.
While true, it's a ship that has sailed. It also blames a cause for an effect, IMO.
That ship can certainly come back. I'm not trying to *blame* anybody. Merely note that when people are urged away from here for Sake, they may not come back.
It hurts that some don't come back, that is all I'm trying to say. Nothing else.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: That ship can certainly come back.
As someone whop has stayed, and has lamented the lost Hatrack of yore, I would love to say that is likely.
It's not. And not for the reasons Samp implies, either.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: That ship can certainly come back.
As someone whop has stayed, and has lamented the lost Hatrack of yore, I would love to say that is likely.
It's not. And not for the reasons Samp implies, either.
Sure, but I'm saying can in the sense it's possible. Not that it *will*.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dobbie: I know a dolphin who's an evangelical preacher. He bought a mobile home and converted it to a mobile church which he drives around spreading the word.
It's a porpoise-driven church.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
Is that the one I read about which believes baptism means permanent immersion in water?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: That ship can certainly come back.
As someone whop has stayed, and has lamented the lost Hatrack of yore, I would love to say that is likely.
It's not. And not for the reasons Samp implies, either.
Wait, which reasons am I implying?
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Wait, which reasons am I implying?
For once I agree with Sam.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Like as in instead of saying "I am sad that hatrack isn't a place I feel welcome at/can post in" it's more "Boy I am SO GLAD I don't post there anymore, hi five expat buddies"
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Wait, which reasons am I implying?
We get it. You are a troll. Please stop being an incredibly bad and boring troll. Do something interesting. Anything.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Like as in instead of saying "I am sad that hatrack isn't a place I feel welcome at/can post in" it's more "Boy I am SO GLAD I don't post there anymore, hi five expat buddies"
To clarify, this isn't an argument for or against ships unsailing back to port, or whatever. it's noting that the phenomenon of forum refugeeing involves a group of vocal expats that like to define themselves very clearly as being very righteously happy they are not part of Old Bad Forum and that ON THE WHOLE these people TEND to be people you don't want back anyway, whether they come back or not.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I'm merely noting that there are not refugees from Sake over here.
Kwea identified himself as such on this very thread.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by dkw:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I'm merely noting that there are not refugees from Sake over here.
Kwea identified himself as such on this very thread.
I thought he indicated he tried going over there and didn't like it, not that he started over at Sake and came over here.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
Well if that's your criteria you really are looking for the impossible.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
yeah I think I've lost what the point would be?
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by dkw:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I'm merely noting that there are not refugees from Sake over here.
Kwea identified himself as such on this very thread.
I thought he indicated he tried going over there and didn't like it, not that he started over at Sake and came over here.
Kwea registered at Hatrack in 2001 and Sakeriver in 2005.
Posted by Jake (Member # 206) on :
Kate Boots started out at Hatrack, was much, much more active at sake than Hatrack for a long time, and has officially quit sake and now posts only* at Hatrack.
*among the inter-related group of forums sometimes referred to as the Hatrackosphere.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
I just poked my nose around over there, it is kinda strange that they have a topic named Hatrack Gossip Thread, vol. 5 with 189 pages in. I recognized some posters who I haven't seen in a while, and a couple who are still active on both sides of the fence but I still find it odd. Are people lurking here so they converse over there? I've never felt the urge to double up my discussion board attention span despite hearing about SR intermittently throughout my time here, but if I were truly fed up with certain posters or the way things were run here I wouldn't want to dwell on it in my new shiny discussion.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
Looks like some of the people I appreciate as posters on here have mentioned me in the Gossip Thread over there. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. . .
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by dkw: Well if that's your criteria you really are looking for the impossible.
Why does this keep getting put into terms like that? I'm not seeking anything. I'm merely noting that there people who originally posted at Hatrack, who migrated over there, and are not coming back. There are not people (that I have seen) where the reverse is true. So encouraging people to head over to Sake while fine, I myself went there one day and ended up sticking around, is still going to lead to people leaving here, never to return. That last thing happening makes me sad.
I'm not asking people to stop mentioning Sake, I'm not asking that somebody haul those people back here, I'm not even saying Sake should refrain from recruiting here.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jake: Kate Boots started out at Hatrack, was much, much more active at sake than Hatrack for a long time, and has officially quit sake and now posts only* at Hatrack.
*among the inter-related group of forums sometimes referred to as the Hatrackosphere.
I also post at Ornery. And I do still read Sake on occasion. I am very fond of many of the people there. Because I am no longer registered there, it is easier to resist the temptation to respond to the ones where there is less fondness.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
quote:Originally posted by AchillesHeel: I just poked my nose around over there, it is kinda strange that they have a topic named Hatrack Gossip Thread, vol. 5 with 189 pages in. I recognized some posters who I haven't seen in a while, and a couple who are still active on both sides of the fence but I still find it odd. Are people lurking here so they converse over there? I've never felt the urge to double up my discussion board attention span despite hearing about SR intermittently throughout my time here, but if I were truly fed up with certain posters or the way things were run here I wouldn't want to dwell on it in my new shiny discussion.
The "Gossip" thread was started to give people who'd stopped reading here a heads up when something big happened to friends they might still be interested in -- e.g. Belle got a great new job or Steve Rogers graduated college or someone got married/had a kid/was in a car accident/whatever.
It's huge because people on Sake tend to post in perennial threads instead of making new ones, so pretty much anything related to Hatrack has been posted there, over the last six years or so. There have been some "boy look at that kerfluffle over on Hatrack" type discussions, but that's not most of it.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I think a major reason that more people start at Hatrack and then migrate to Sakeriver rather than the other way around is that the probability of discovering Hatrack is much higher than the chances of finding your way to Sakeriver. BlackBlade, you're essentially framing the question as "Which forum do people find first?" And of course, the answer is: the one belonging to a best-selling author.
I think the fact that people tend to move from Hatrack to Sake rather than the reverse is more a reflection of Card's fame than the relative qualities of either forum. Additionally, mentioning Sakeriver and sometimes encouraging people to check it out is also not necessarily implying that it's better. After all, similar posts there encouraging people to try Hatrack wouldn't be all that useful because most Sakeites are aware of Hatrack. The reverse is not true.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Hatrack is a gateway drug???
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: Because I am no longer registered there, it is easier to resist the temptation to respond to the ones where there is less fondness.
How is it that you are no longer registered there?
Posted by Jake (Member # 206) on :
quote:Originally posted by kmbboots:
quote:Originally posted by Jake: Kate Boots started out at Hatrack, was much, much more active at sake than Hatrack for a long time, and has officially quit sake and now posts only* at Hatrack.
*among the inter-related group of forums sometimes referred to as the Hatrackosphere.
I also post at Ornery. And I do still read Sake on occasion. I am very fond of many of the people there. Because I am no longer registered there, it is easier to resist the temptation to respond to the ones where there is less fondness.
Ornery! Man, I haven't even thought of that place in a long time. What's it like these days? In any case, I'm happy to hear that you still lurk at sake now and then. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:I'm merely noting that there people who originally posted at Hatrack, who migrated over there, and are not coming back. There are not people (that I have seen) where the reverse is true. So encouraging people to head over to Sake while fine, I myself went there one day and ended up sticking around, is still going to lead to people leaving here, never to return.
Let me note that there are people or originally posted at Hatrack, then never checked out SR, and then left Hatrack and are not coming back. So encouraging people that they don't need to post at Sake while fine, I myself sometimes don't feel like posting there, is still going to lead to people leaving here, never to return.
It's the exact same logic: some people did A, then they did B, and since I don't want people to B to happen, I wish they wouldn't A.
Why do you think that joining SR causes people to leave HR at a higher rate than if they didn't?
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Hatrack is a gateway drug???
You don't want to know where that rabbit hole goes, man. Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote: Why do you think that joining SR causes people to leave HR at a higher rate than if they didn't?
For my part, I think this USED to be true, but an event horizon has been crossed and it no longer is.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Seems to me that whatever trends may exist aren't in place for any single reason. Each individual who migrates does it for their own reasons.
There may be some common factors that effect a lot of people, such as Hatrack existing on OSC's website and Sake not... but even then, that issue is A) Not likely to change and B) Going to be a motivating factor to different people for wildly different reasons. So it's still not really worth stressing over.
I guess it's just weird to me to get this bent out of shape over other people's decisions in the first place. Hatrack, Sake, and Ornery are all public forums, anyone can come and go (or not) as they choose. And they do.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Except Lisa.
(Because she was banned.)
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by SteveRogers:
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Hatrack is a gateway drug???
You don't want to know where that rabbit hole goes, man.
Hatrack is a magic carpet ride????
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
Just watch out if a new member named Lissa pops up.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lissa: Judaissm and Objectivissm are perfectly compatable guyss
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:I'm merely noting that there people who originally posted at Hatrack, who migrated over there, and are not coming back. There are not people (that I have seen) where the reverse is true. So encouraging people to head over to Sake while fine, I myself went there one day and ended up sticking around, is still going to lead to people leaving here, never to return.
Let me note that there are people or originally posted at Hatrack, then never checked out SR, and then left Hatrack and are not coming back. So encouraging people that they don't need to post at Sake while fine, I myself sometimes don't feel like posting there, is still going to lead to people leaving here, never to return.
It's the exact same logic: some people did A, then they did B, and since I don't want people to B to happen, I wish they wouldn't A.
Why do you think that joining SR causes people to leave HR at a higher rate than if they didn't?
Porter: There are absolutely people who are on the way out anyway. But there are also people contemplating leaving. They may be happier at Sake, but they might also come out deciding to stick around at Hatrack, and make this place better. I myself made that choice consciously one day.
I think I am in agreement with Tom's last post.
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
(Post Removed by Janitor Blade. Disparaging.)
[ May 03, 2012, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: JanitorBlade ]
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: Because I am no longer registered there, it is easier to resist the temptation to respond to the ones where there is less fondness.
How is it that you are no longer registered there?
I was sloppy. I may be registered still. I do not log in.
Jake, Ornery is sometimes interesting and sometimes meta-navel-gazing weirdness and whiny-ness. I don't like (or, really, know) most of the people there as well as I do most of the Sake folks but I don't have to pretend to like the ones that I don't.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
OK then, why do you no longer log in?
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: OK then, why do you no longer log in?
Because I no longer post there.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
OK then, why do you no longer post there?
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Heh. I was tempted to write out this conversation in advance a few minutes ago. I thought I was just being silly.
Now I wish I had. It was so prescient!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I knew you were going to say that!
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
Porter,
Because the kind and useful and interesting things that I might post are not sufficient to balance the increasing likeliness of my telling some people that they are asses or responding to some posts with what I really think. Sake is too kind and gentle a place for me. Among the people I consider to be dear friends are enough people that, should I respond honestly to them, I would break that kind and gentleness. I believe that I am generally polite but that is not the same as being kind and gentle. And not enough for Sake.
Do you need me to be more specific than that?
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary:
quote:Originally posted by Lissa: Judaissm and Objectivissm are perfectly compatable guyss
Ohhhh SamP. SamP SamP SamP SamP Samp....
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
you're totally dropping a phat beat there
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
Should I write a Samp song?
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: I knew you were going to say that!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Armoth: Should I write a Samp song?
If you do, I wouldn't mind getting one too. Heck, mash it together and call it "B to the B to the Sam P"
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
The Hatrack Mix Tape
Coming to record stores near you.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by Armoth: Should I write a Samp song?
If you do, I wouldn't mind getting one too. Heck, mash it together and call it "B to the B to the Sam P"
feat "Don't Copy That Floppy"
Posted by JanitorBlade (Member # 12343) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by Armoth: Should I write a Samp song?
If you do, I wouldn't mind getting one too. Heck, mash it together and call it "B to the B to the Sam P"
feat "Don't Copy That Floppy"
I'm amenable to that.
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
quote:Originally posted by Armoth: I think you are a bad person.
1. It's spelled "parson". 2. I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the clergy, and I do not know what ever gave you the idea I was.
(JanitorBlade Note: AoS was an alt of Dobbie. Upon Dobbie being banned, AoS was subsequently banned as well.)
[ May 09, 2012, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: JanitorBlade ]
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
See, he's doing like, a thing...
Posted by Jeorge (Member # 11524) on :
Makes me wish I lived in the universe where trolling is funny...
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by SteveRogers: The Hatrack Mix Tape
Coming to record stores near you.
I already have a thread for this! People just need to contribute!
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by Armoth: I think you are a bad person.
1. It's spelled "parson". 2. I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the clergy, and I do not know what ever gave you the idea I was.
See, I think it's really interesting why you chose to respond to me. Either because you care what I think about you, or I had some sort effect on your own self-esteem, or an effect on how you are perceived, socially, on this forum, and in some way, I made you feel inferior. So, applying normal defense mechanisms, you try to do the same. Wit, sarcasm, banter...
And yet you are on a forum with other highly intelligent egos, all of whom have incredible talents, abilities, intellect and emotional intelligence. So I find it extraordinary how easily you are able to lie to yourself about how clever you are by correcting someone's spelling or playing around with words and their usage. It's amazing how it's the little lies you tell yourself, and the demonstrations of your own intelligence that actually do something to repair the bruises to your self-esteem when someone exercises authority over you.
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
quote:Originally posted by SteveRogers: The Hatrack Mix Tape
Coming to record stores near you.
*pre-orders*
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Wow, it's only because this thread came back to the front page that I noticed Dobbie was banned. I'm unsurprised that AoS was banned, but I sort of liked Dobbie. Made me chuckle on many occasions.
I know that probably sounds weird, given that they were the same person, but it's the truth.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Dobbie is a troll. He has always been a troll, but one of the ways he gets attention is with mean-spirited mockery.
Once upon a time I thought he was harmless and amusing. But if you pay attention, his jokes are always at someone else's expense. Sometimes quite viciously so.
Leaving aside the last time he got himself banned (quite a few years back now) for deliberately crashing the forum.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Ah. Yeah, "harmless and amusing" is definitely how I'd categorized him in my head. But I also didn't pay terribly close attention to him.
Did he used to post as something else, when he got banned? Someone I'd have heard of?
And... crashed the forum? Man, sounds like a story! How long ago was this? I've lurked since 2004, but semi-sporadically, so I must've missed this.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Longer ago than that.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
dobbie's last post only really said "dobbie was banned after this"
just curious, what did our (second) favorite jew-poking sockpuppeting troll get banned for, anyone see?
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