Poor Brits. Whole country just going down the tubes now.
Posted by Elison R. Salazar (Member # 8565) on :
The elderly essentially have sold out the young out of pearl griping fear.
Posted by theamazeeaz (Member # 6970) on :
My British co-workers are livid.
Posted by JanitorBlade (Member # 12343) on :
It looks like anti-immigrant sentiment played a huge role in Leave sentiment.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
There were plenty of young ****wits who voted Leave. Can't blame this one on old people.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
But you can blame this on the English and Welsh, as the Scots and Northern Irish voted to stick around. Be curious to see if the Scots leave (one of the primary reasons to stick around in 2014 was to stay in the EU... that worked out well) and if the Northern Irish leave (instead of creating custom checkpoints all along the border with Ireland).
England and Wales could be left on their own when the dust settles.
Posted by Elison R. Salazar (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by Heisenberg: There were plenty of young ****wits who voted Leave. Can't blame this one on old people.
Statistically yes you can. The majority of young voters voted to Stay.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
Scotland is definitely leaving. There are certain conditions that have to be met for a border poll in NI and it's not at all certain that they have been.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elison R. Salazar:
quote:Originally posted by Heisenberg: There were plenty of young ****wits who voted Leave. Can't blame this one on old people.
Statistically yes you can. The majority of young voters voted to Stay.
Perhaps. Just not enough of them.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
I'm not about to allow the multitude of young idiots that I know, personally, who voted to Leave get off the hook by claiming that it was old people's fault when everything goes completely to shit.
My district, one not at all full of old people, voted 61 percent to leave. And they were the usual subjects; people who listened to the lies crafted to be what they wanted to hear and went along with it without doing the barest amount of fact checking. These are the same people who are going to scratch their heads and wonder what's going on when prices start rising in the next few weeks.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Am I on the right page?
UK votes to leave bloc...mostly from fear based on immigration...the north wants to stay in &... might split up the uk?...financial bad things coming for UK & Euro bloc...PM is resigning...might domino the bloc as UK was powerhouse in union? ... UK politicians purposely undermining government services to esastetbate the refugee problem...
Miss anything? Get anything straight wrong?
Posted by NobleHunter (Member # 12043) on :
Any domino effect of departures is because the precedent of leaving has been set. The UK's influence in the EU has mostly been due to the EU trying to keep them in rather than being a pillar of the project. The EU might get closer to a functional organization without the UK playing spoiler.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
The United Kingdom is comprised of four distinct countries-England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. There was a referendum commonly known as Brexit for the UK over whether to exit the EU, which is a process that ordinarily would take at least two years, I've read. I don't know whether this will be hastened by pressure from the EU or by internal pressures of member countries of the U.K. wish to remain.
Economic fears around immigration as well as terrorism seem to have played a significant role. I'm not sure what polling says is the main reason. Leave won by about 4% with something like 70% turnout.
Scotland at the very least has been explicit that should the uk leave the eu, they will hold another independence vote. Based on the last vote and the support for Remain this time, right now it seems likely that if they held such a vote it would leave. They might then be able, I'm not sure, to join the EU independently.
Since an enormous part of the EU is a collection of trade deals and regulations and treaties, the second largest economic nation-Germany is first-leaving has a huge impact. A number of economic signs such as stock market values and currency value for the pound have taken a major hit.
It's really not an issue that can be summarized swiftly, though. Basically the second largest economy in one of the world's biggest markets, one of the world's oldest democracies, a key military and diplomatic ally and player for the US and on the world stage, has just voted to make a massive change to its economy and foreign policy, and that's just in the ways that we know about so far.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:Originally posted by NobleHunter: Any domino effect of departures is because the precedent of leaving has been set. The UK's influence in the EU has mostly been due to the EU trying to keep them in rather than being a pillar of the project. The EU might get closer to a functional organization without the UK playing spoiler.
If for example Scotland does a Scotexit? Sceave? Leaveland? from the UK and then joins the EU, those would be some interesting meetings.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
the merest, most morbid comfort i can take out of this entirely horrifyingly awful and stupid situation is that UK voters managed to take the focus and stigma off of US voters in terms of spectacular stupidity and risking existential end-level democratic crisis
everything else about it is awful. the UK is about to experience brain drain like they can't imagine.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
and it's practically guaranteed at this point that the UK will fracture.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
It seems like the general consensus is that Scotland is probably gone soon.
But there's rising discussion about what this means for North Ireland. Does this put at risk the agreement that ended the Troubles? Could we see Ireland re-unify?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
i would be entirely surprised if ireland reunified. northern ireland just wants out of the UK over this idiotic brexit crap, similar to scotland
but unlike scotland, whose exit can be put on a sliding 'guaranteed' scale right next to 'brexit' — as heisenberg mentioned, its exit is ... less certain.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
How viable would Northern Ireland be as a wholly independent republic?
Posted by Elison R. Salazar (Member # 8565) on :
Scotland needs to have permission for another referendum as per the Edinburgh agreement though.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Interestingly, it also may be the case that Britain needs the permission of the Scottish parliament to leave. Which would be a good face-saver for all those Conservative politicians who thought this thing would be a great intra-party maneuver.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
On the bright side, its nice to see a colonial power partitioning itself for once
I wonder if we can drop the U in UK if they get to the point where its only England and Wales. Then, we can just call them "K."
[ June 25, 2016, 05:21 PM: Message edited by: Mucus ]
Posted by Elison R. Salazar (Member # 8565) on :
If Wales also went independent then it would just be the Kingdom of England. But with Wales it would still be the United Kingdom, while Great Britain also implies Scotland. I'm sure CPG Grey did a video. Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
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