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Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Okay. How would you spell this?

footie-pajamas
footy-pajamas
footey-pajamas...?

They all look wrong to me and it's not really a dictionary sort of word. They all come up on a google search but I haven't found anything definitive

Thanks,
Mary
 


Posted by Christine (Member # 1646) on :
 
footy-pajamas is correct. The other two are misspelled.
 
Posted by Eljay (Member # 1941) on :
 
We always called them "blanket sleepers" when I was young enough to wear them...
 
Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Footy and footie are both accepted spellings. They are both varients of footsie, which has come to mean...well, footsie. Footey is probably just wrong.

But really, since it is one of those colloquial child coinings that isn't found in many dictionaries, you can spell it however you want. Just like you spell dialect phonetically, and there isn't a set "correct" spelling.

Just as long as you don't "want" to spell it using the accepted spelling of some other word
 


Posted by teddyrux (Member # 1595) on :
 
I have a personal preference for footie-pj's.

Rux
:}

[This message has been edited by teddyrux (edited April 26, 2004).]
 


Posted by Kolona (Member # 1438) on :
 
Definitely not the third choice. I'd go with the first: footie-pajamas. Or 'footies' for short, which is what we used to call them.

Now, whether to keep the hyphen...I think it could go either way.

[This message has been edited by Kolona (edited April 26, 2004).]
 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
When I googled it footie-pajamas came out with more hits than any of the other choices and was my first choice. Someone flagged it. I got paranoid.

Christine, do you have an actual reference?

And hey, while we're at it... what's the feeling on hyphen versus no hyphen?

I won't even bring up the alternate "pajama" spelling...

Thanks,
Mary Robinette
 


Posted by AeroB1033 (Member # 1956) on :
 
I'd kill the hyphen. Seems to me that it draws unnecessary attention, and "footie pajamas" would stand out less. And yes, my personal prefence is "footie".
 
Posted by TruHero (Member # 1766) on :
 
I have always just called them FOOTIE-JAMMIES. Pajamas is just too long, and since kids mostly wear them, jammies works better for them. Although I have seen adult footie-jammies. That was my Christmas Eve present almost every year until I was about 7 years old. We always got to open one present on Christmas Eve, and it was always jammies, footie or otherwise.
 
Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Holy cow! They make 'em for adults? I remember being really sad when I outgrew mine.

Anyway, my POV character is an adult, the aforementioned footed sleepwear belongs to her son. It seems like there are multiple possible right answers so I'll probably just leave it as is.

"Her son ran into the kitchen, his footie-pajamas slapping against the linoleum."

Dang. It still looks wrong.

Mary

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Posted by Jules (Member # 1658) on :
 
To me, the contrast between the colloquial word 'footie-pajamas' and technical word 'linoleum' is rather jarring. I'd abbreviate to 'lino', although I'm not sure if that's solely a British thing or not.

 
Posted by teddyrux (Member # 1595) on :
 
I guess the real answer is this: How does your pov think of them when she sees them on her son? Does she think of them as footie-jammies, pj's or pajamas? I agree with Jules that jammies and linoleum are jarring. You could split them up into different sentences or rearrange the wording:

Her son ran into the kitchen, the rubber soles of his pajamas slapping against the linoleum.

Her son ran into the kitchen, his footie-jammies slapping against the floor.


Rux
;]
 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Funny. Linoleum is what you call just about any kitchen floor, except wood, where I live. Lino must be a british thing. Ah, the joys of regionalisms.

Mary
 


Posted by AeroB1033 (Member # 1956) on :
 
Yeah, saying "lino" would probably sound fairly odd in America, as far as I know... though where I'm at we usually call only linoleum linoleum, calling tile tile, and wood wood. Fancy that.
 
Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Ha! I grew up in the South. (Southern US) There are parts of the South where all soft drinks are called "Coke" regardless of their color, flavor or manufacturer.

I've now taken the word linoleum out of the actual story because it's just not important. I realized that it's like Xerox or Kleenex; a specific brand name that doesn't even exist in most kitchens. I think most people say linoleum, but actually mean vinyl flooring.

Who knew this would be such an active topic.

Mary
 


Posted by AeroB1033 (Member # 1956) on :
 
quote:
Ha! I grew up in the South. (Southern US) There are parts of the South where all soft drinks are called "Coke" regardless of their color, flavor or manufacturer.

Same here (Houston). I might be drinking Dr. Pepper, but it's a coke, darn it!

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Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Actually, as AeroB has demonstrated, we tend to call vinyl "linoleum" and often call linoleum "tile".

Linoleum isn't a specific brand name (though it may have been intended as such), it's an early composite, made from oiled flax. Such tiles are quite rare now....
 


Posted by Nexus Capacitor (Member # 1694) on :
 
Southern woman: "I do declare, this Coke is giving me the vapors worse than the War of Northern Aggression!"

Southern man: "Yee Hoo! What kind is it?"

Southern woman: "RC-- Oh, dear me, I've spilled Coke on the linoleum!"

Southern man: "Do what?"

Heh heh! The South sure is funny. Don't hit.
 


Posted by AeroB1033 (Member # 1956) on :
 
Not as funny as calling it "pop". I mean, what is "pop", for crying out loud? "Pop" goes the weasel? Did somebody "pop" a balloon and out came soda? Is it just "pop" because that's vaguely the sound that the can makes when you open it? I'm sure there's a great history behind this usage of the word that I'm just not aware of, but it still sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
 
Posted by Nexus Capacitor (Member # 1694) on :
 
The original term was "Soda-Pop." Then, in 1956, came the great schism of the Carbonated Beverage Naming Council.

The Sodacrats in the CBNC screamed, "'Pop' is what you call your dad!"

The Poplicans protested, "'Soda' comes in an orange box with an arm on the label!"

The CBNC never met again. Over the decades, families of Poplicans and Sodacrats quietly formed their own segregated communities across the northern U.S. Fearing persecution, some Poplicans defected to the more beverage tolerant nation of Canada.

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Posted by JBShearer (Member # 9434) on :
 
My wife yells at me for calling a movie a "show", i.e. "What show are you watching?" or "Let's go to the show." She insists that "show" is only a reference to t.v. What about picture shows? They were called that before movies, weren't they.

Yeah, guess it's just the problems I have relating to the real world, having grown up in Utah. No more scones, fresh limes, lime rickeys, fry sauce, pop, or shows. *sighs*
 


Posted by TruHero (Member # 1766) on :
 
MMmmmmmm... Fry Sauce! Had some for lunch with my fries at Crown Burger. And lime rickeys at Arctic Circle are just the trick on a hot day. I will baptize my next order of fries in fry sauce just for you JB.

I don't call it "pop", it is still Coke or soda to me too. I think that is my Bay Area California coming to the surface. I am not a Utah native, but the air is better and the mountains are a great backdrop. "Got'sta love the Utah!" There is a little Utahspeak for you. *shudders*


 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
In Northern Virginia we had real air...the kind you could breathe.

And we had scones, and fry sauce, and pop (rrrrred pop, even), and kimbop, and...roads plotted according to the geometries of hell.

Okay, it wasn't a perfect land, I grant that.
 


Posted by teddyrux (Member # 1595) on :
 
It's sodah. I don't drink no pop. Howevah, I do like a wicked cup of cahffee in the mahnin.

I also get in the cah and drive to Bah Hahbah where the air is wicked good.


{wondering how we got from footie-jammies, to this puzzling}

Rux
;]
 


Posted by Hildy9595 (Member # 1489) on :
 
Hey, I used to pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd, too!

Now I'm from Joisey, off Exit 9. I take the Parkway to the Shore in the summer. Fuggedaboudit!

And according to my seven-year-old, they're "feetie pajamas."

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Posted by Kolona (Member # 1438) on :
 
Them's fightin' words, pardner. I hail from Pennsylvania, and it's all 'pop' -- with a distinctive way of pronouncing the 'o,' if you don't mind. (All 'coke?' How strange! )
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It's pronounced Beverage! Not pop or soda. Of course that's only in a small geographical area called the place I work at.

As for the PJ's they are called "Bunny Sleepers"

The rest of ya can jump in a crik and paddle up the creek. Not that I'm tryin' shoot you a major crusty or anything, (because I really 'Preciatecha) I just think it's crazy to dip your fries in anything but Fry sauce. (I even make my own when out of state.)
 


Posted by Nexus Capacitor (Member # 1694) on :
 
Wah is this "fry sauce" yinz speak of n'at. I don't git south of da Mason-Dixon line often.
 
Posted by jpwriter (Member # 1987) on :
 
Ya'll ain't fum thuh south. Ain't callin' it soda water, air ye.
Jerry
 
Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Golleeeee, I sure as all get out had no idea this topic would last so long, and all on account of my little question about bunny jammies, footie pajamas or footed sleepwear. Those folks asking about accents ought to come on over here so as they can hear ya'll goin' on about sodas and fry sauce and what all.

I'm just gonna sit a while and have myself a nice tea and contemplate all ya'll are talking about. (Based on where I said I was from I'll give ya'll three guesses on what the temperature of that tea'll be.)

See ya'll later,
Mary

[This message has been edited by MaryRobinette (edited April 29, 2004).]
 


Posted by srhowen (Member # 462) on :
 
LOL I just blogged about this--soda, pop, coke thing.

The other night at my extra job (7-eleven) a woman got upset "cause coke was 2 two liter bottles for 2 bucks" I told her no it was just the Pepsi, she said yeah, coke.

Back and forth we went with her finally telling me it was all coke, coke was coke. It was a way weird conversation.

There is a test online out there somewhere about the part of the country you are from by how you say things.

I say soda or a can of pop. Soda-pop. Never heard of it being called coke--all brands etc.

Another is the thing you put stuff into. Bag? Sack? Poke? first time someone said, can I have a sack for that--it caught me off guard. I say bag.

I'm mostly from WI--though i know most of the regional terms having moved all over the country growing up.

But the coke as a generic term feels weird. Coke is one brand.

Shawn
 


Posted by Nexus Capacitor (Member # 1694) on :
 
What about Kleenex? That's a brand name that means any facial tissue product.
 
Posted by Nexus Capacitor (Member # 1694) on :
 
Oh yeah. Mary, I'm guessing you're sipping iced mint tea while sitting upon a wicker chair on the huge white porch of your plantation-style house, daintily dabbing your forehead to prevent any perspiration, real or imagined.
 
Posted by Christine (Member # 1646) on :
 
Right, but with kleen-ex we are not likely to be confused about whether you mean an actual kleen-ex kleen-ex or another brand name or type. But when you start calling Sprite, Mountain Dew, Dr. Pepper, and even Pepsi "Coke" you're beinga little weird.
 
Posted by Nexus Capacitor (Member # 1694) on :
 
I'm not saying that calling every carbonated beverage "coke" makes sense. I was just pointing out that using a brand name as a generic term is acceptable in some cases.
 
Posted by srhowen (Member # 462) on :
 
Well, y'all I just be go'n in here and be getten me a coke.

LOL

Shawn
 


Posted by Hildy9595 (Member # 1489) on :
 
For an interesting look at how do show various dialects/styles of speech in one region, read "A Confederacy of Dunces" by Toole. The author's grasp of various New Orlean's dialects is one of the reasons the book won a Pulitzer. I found some of the dialogue a little difficult to read at first, but soon fell into the rhythms.
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I grew up in New Jersey, the land of soda and hoagies. Then I moved to Ohio, the land of pop and submarine sandwiches. It's been like seven years, and I flatly refuse to refer to a carbonated beverage as pop. I will gladly march to war over this if one breaks out.
 
Posted by Lullaby Lady (Member # 1840) on :
 
Fry sauce is the "choicest" of condiments for a "special" fry-eating experience. The ingredients include ketchup, mayo, and a dash of Worchestershire sauce. Heck! It's one of the greatest things to come out of Utah (right up there with the Mo-Tab!  )-- and millions of Utahns and Idahoans can't be flippin' wrong!

An Idaho Molly/spud-ette,

~L.L.
 


Posted by AeroB1033 (Member # 1956) on :
 
quote:
I grew up in New Jersey, the land of soda and hoagies. Then I moved to Ohio, the land of pop and submarine sandwiches. It's been like seven years, and I flatly refuse to refer to a carbonated beverage as pop. I will gladly march to war over this if one breaks out.

My best friend grew up in Ohio and then moved down here to Texas. At first he called soft drinks "pop", but we've pretty much converted him to our 'evil ways', now. Ha.
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I thank you for your dedication to our cause, Aero.
 


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