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Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
I'm researching alien abduction and UFO's for a story I'm working on and I suddenly wondered, "Hey! Do I know anyone who's had a close encounter of any sort?" According to the statistics some of the sources cite, I certainly ought to know someone. Anyone here?
 
Posted by Balthasar (Member # 5399) on :
 
I haven't, but I know someone who has. A friend of mine's father was driving out in the country when he saw a glowing disk-like object ascend into the sky and shoot off into space. From what I know, this is nothing out of the ordinary.

 
Posted by TruHero (Member # 1766) on :
 
Yeah, back when I was fourteen. I was abducted by an alien race of beautiful amazonian women about every night for a month. They needed me to help them with a breeding problem. They all looked like Barbarella or that blonde Thrall lady from Star Trek. They took me to their planet... "Boyd, you get out of that bed this instant, you'll be late for school!" "Aw, c'mon Mom. Just five more minutes"

Seriuosly, I have no idea. I just couldn't resist!
 


Posted by GZ (Member # 1374) on :
 
Back in the day, I had a driving instructor once who was sure he'd seen a UFO. It was a row of lights that moved in a way (Accelerating too fast and in a funny direction, I if I remember correctly) that he was sure an airplane couldn't.

What I really remember is thinking was why did the government make my drive around with people like this to get a license?

[This message has been edited by GZ (edited August 01, 2004).]
 


Posted by Gen (Member # 1868) on :
 
Nope... unless you count the time the Triquaerians needed me to save the galaxy, but personally, I don't. They begged, I'll have you know. Not an abduction at all.

For stories like that, my personal resource is the Occult section at a good (cheap) used bookstore. Yes, I've gotten strange looks for checking out with titles like "A Psychologist Looks At Demonic Possession" and "Ghosts I Have Known." But the stories are wonderful. Great source material. And since they're published as non-fiction, the stuff in them is available for fictional adaptation. (I go used because, well, not only are the titles a buck each, but I really prefer the books published back in the sixties for some reason. But I'm sure Borders would have something neat as well.)
 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
My favorite thus far has been a man who looks at all of the evidence and concludes that aliens are related to dolphins.

The UFO researchers are a really hard core lot, and I've been a little surprised at some of what I'm reading.
 


Posted by mikemunsil (Member # 2109) on :
 
My mother swears that she had a close encounter. The family story goes like this:

One afternoon my mother was riding with her father-in-law in the old farm truck on the way to a store. This was in a fairly isolated part of Arizona, near Tempe I believe, around 1948. A glowing object shot past overhead, slowed, then shot off at an angle at a great rate of speed. It was nothing like she had ever seen before or since.


 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
My mom's seen a couple of UFOs, but then she identified them so they weren't UFOs anymore. I've seen a couple of things that I couldn't readily identify as well, but usually they weren't flying objects.

My personal theory is that there is no longer any reason for halfway intelligent aliens to actually enter our atmosphere to carry out research, since we broadcast everything they could reasonably want to know (and a lot more they probably don't want to know) into space now. Back in the fifties they were probably just trying to figure out how we could reproduce when married couples slept in separate beds
 


Posted by cvgurau (Member # 1345) on :
 
I've seen stars move, but I'm sure it was just a satellite. Or so I was told my strangers wearing all black, with Ray Bans at midnight.

...

"Sometimes, I think that the surest sign of intelligent life on other planets is that none of it has tried to contact us." -- Calvin, CALVIN AND HOBBES

CVG
 


Posted by EricJamesStone (Member # 1681) on :
 
One day when I was about eight years old I stayed home from school because I was sick. While looking out my bedroom window into the sky, I saw something that looked sort of like a commercial airplane, except it didn't appear to have a rear fuselage. It seemed to be just sort of a T shape.

I watched it for maybe thirty seconds before it was gone from my view. I looked very hard to see a rear fuselage, because I knew that wasn't the right shape for a plane, but I could not see anything there.

It's been almost thirty years, and I still remember seeing it.
 


Posted by goatboy (Member # 2062) on :
 
No, but I do have the sleep disorder that spawns an awful lot of the "Alien in my bedroom" abduction stories. I've had it since I was a kid, it's never bothered me bacause my mother also has it so I knew early on what was really happening.

Basically, your body goes to sleep, but your mind doesn't. Then you hear noises. Some people become terrified at this point, because they believe they hear footsteps, and that someone is in the room. I don't hear footsteps very often. Usually I hear an old fashioned wooden screen door opening and slamming shut. Screech, Slam, tap, tap, tap. Over and over until I finally get to sleep. The kicker is that you can't move because your body is asleep. That's what terrifies most people, they're awake, hearing noises in the dark, and can't move to defend themselves. Some people who have it real bad begin to have nighmares at this point.

Steve
 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Actually, this happens to everyone. There's a period of sleep where your body is asleep but your brain is still awake. Most of us don't remember it unless something wakes us up at just that point (it doesn't last very long).
 
Posted by djvdakota (Member # 2002) on :
 
I have. Wow. I'm surprised more haven't.

I was, maybe eleven or twelve. My family was at Lake Powell and stargazing as we often did before going to bed.

I saw a triangular object move slowly across the sky. It was high. At least a mile up, I'd say. It had a dim source of light, orangish in color, but that could have been the atmosphere. I could also see, distinctly, a dark spot in each corner of the triangle. It slowed and hovered, then sped up, changed direction, and was gone in a heartbeat. Moments later we heard the sounds of aircraft and watched as two military jets followed the objects trajectory.

I've wondered often since if perhaps it was some experimental aircraft.

No, I don't have any odd disorders that might cause me to hallucinate. No drugs. No alcohol. No mental diseases.

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Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
What goatboy is talking about used to be called "old hag syndrome" or "the night hag phenomenon" because often people would feel things (like something weighing down their chest, or something poking or tickling them) as well as hear things while they were unable to move.

The state where your body is asleep (and can't move) but you are still awake, or at least you feel that you are aware of your surroundings, is called the "hypnogogic state." And when you think you are seeing or hearing or feeling something that isn't there, it's called "hypnogogic hallucinations."

Most of us experience a kind of paralysis when we sleep--so we can run and make other kinds of movements in our dreams without actually moving our limbs in our sleep. Those who don't experience the paralysis can end up sleepwalking.

A website with some information on the alien abduction thing:

http://www.geocities.com/jorgeconesa/Paralysis/sleepnew.html

 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
I actually have experienced being conscious while my body was asleep, but don't recall ever having "realistic" hallucinations (i.e. anything that felt real rather than dreamlike).

Which is funny, because my actual dreams are very real. Sometimes I go for days before realizing that something I remember only happened in a dream.
 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Usually this happens with movies and such...I'll dream that I saw a movie and it takes a while before I figure out that all my memories of seeing that movie are from the dream.
 
Posted by Jules (Member # 1658) on :
 
When I was at school I used to sometimes dream that I'd done homework assignments, and then discover when I was packing my stuff up to go to school that I hadn't.
 
Posted by NewsBys (Member # 1950) on :
 
Actually, a group of about 4 people including myself were standing outside of my house around 11pm one night and we saw two small objects pass over the top of the house at a really high rate of speed. They kinda zig-zaged a little. One object was green and the other object which seemed to be chasing the green one was red. I saw the green one first and called everyone's attention to it. It hovered over the chimmey for a minute and then moved on as the red one caught up and chased it. We all saw them and were pretty amazed. We agreed that the objects were not very large (appeared about baseball sized) and only cleared the roof of the house by about a foot or so.
We never figured out what they were, but had two theories.
1. Ball lightening? Only problem with that is that it was really clear, and I don't know if ball lightening occurs when it is not storming. And it was weird that they were two differant colors.
2. The other idea we came up with was hummingbirds. Mostly because of the way they moved and the fact that it was late summer and we were in a garden. Some hummingbirds are red breasted and some are green. Maybe the lights from our cars reflected off them weirdly.
Personally I like to think they were foos, or some other sort of UFO.
 
Posted by Robyn_Hood (Member # 2083) on :
 
I have a piece of time missing from my childhood. The school that I went to had a strong emphasis on reading. At every grade level (the school was K-7) we had scheduled library and reading time. Sometimes these were even combined.

In grade 5 the librarian was reading a book to our class, one chapter or so at a time. It was a mystery/adventure and I really enjoyed it. It included a treasure hunt. I talked to my teacher and designed my own treasure hunt for the class, leaving clues in various places. The funny thing is I don't remember finishing the book or actually doing the treasure hunt. I remember placing the clues but not having people find them.

This isn't just a gap because I'm looking back on when I was young either. About a month after it all I talked to my friends and commented on how it was funny we never finished reading that book or the treasure hunt. They looked at me funny and told me we had. I hadn't missed any school in that time but my memory is missing about a week's worth of time.

Either I was abducted and a body double replaced me for a week, or when they wiped my memory of the experience they over did it, clearing an entire week.

(This is what I thought at the time, to this day I'm not sure what my memory is surpressing.)
 


Posted by goatboy (Member # 2062) on :
 
quote:
The state where your body is asleep (and can't move) but you are still awake, or at least you feel that you are aware of your surroundings, is called the "hypnogogic state." And when you think you are seeing or hearing or feeling something that isn't there, it's called "hypnogogic hallucinations."
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Thats it. Another more common name is “Night Terrors.” A couple of hundred years ago, people believed demons and spirits came at night and did things to them. After that, it was other things. My mother tells me she was terrified of “tree squeeks” as a little girl since she was (teasingly) told they were tree spirits. That is what she believed (at least for awhile) was coming to get her when these episodes took place. Once she got older, the incidents largely went away. Mine was never as serious as hers, but does seem to occur about once a year.
 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Huh. It happens to me a lot more than that. Or maybe I just dream it happens?
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Hmm. I thought "Night Terrors" was something else.

When one of my daughters was very small, she'd have what I was told were "Night Terrors" which appeared to me to be more or less the opposite of hynogogia (or being awake but unable to move). Her eyes would be wide open, and she was usually sitting up in bed, but she didn't seem to be conscious.

She'd be crying or screaming, but still asleep. It was very hard to get her to wake up, too.

Also, once she screamed in the night, and when I went in to help her, she was awake and crying, but she told me an arm had come through the wall (her room was in the basement, across the hall from our room, so this was a cement wall with dirt on the other side) and tried to grab her. Creeped me out completely. (Maybe that was hypnogogic though.)
 


Posted by goatboy (Member # 2062) on :
 
You may be right Kathleen. There does appear to be a difference between night terrors and hypnogogia, although I have heard the term Night Terrors used to describe the state of being awake but asleep. With Night Terrors, it appears you are alseep but not in REM sleep. The two states sound pretty similar.

Survivor, there really aren't many people who have the ability to control their dreams, or who experience these phenomenon, (either hypnogogia or Night Terrors.) I too have never had an actual experience where I felt I was in danger, but often I will have a sense of dread, fortunately, it never seems to be about anything specific.

Here is a pretty good explaination of Night Terrors.
http://www.healthscout.com/ency/43/341/main.html
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thank you for the link, goatboy.

Interesting.
 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Ugh!

I'm sorry, but now I'm creeped out. Thanks a lot, Kathleen.

I'm so glad that my invincibility kicks in when I'm asleep. There are occasional amusing side effects, but at least I don't get scared of things (even really icky things like zombie arms reaching out of the ground).
 


Posted by djvdakota (Member # 2002) on :
 
Controlling Dreams?

Done it! It is the coolest!!!

I'm out of practice. Since I started my family I've been unable to establish the sleep rhythm required to train yourself, or to keep yourself in practice. But when I was single I went to bed at a certain time, woke up at a certain time, and due to timing, was able to wake up in a dream almost every morning.

But, goatboy, it is possible to train yourself to remember and eventually control your dreams. I'm sorry I don't have the reference readily available, but an excellent article on the ability can be found in an old OMNI magazine--probably 1987 or so. And it WORKS! I'm a graduate!

As for Night Terrors--my oldest had them. The other two didn't. Turns out she's also the only one who sleepwalks.
 


Posted by Keeley (Member # 2088) on :
 
I can control my dreams, too, but not like when I was a kid. Just don't have the time to work on it now. And I've also had the unfortunate instance of having a dream come true once.

Has anyone ever been asleep and suddenly feel like the bed's opened up and you're falling down into a bottomless pit at an incredible speed?
 


Posted by djvdakota (Member # 2002) on :
 
That used to happen ALL THE TIME. Not so much anymore. I always thought of it as levitating above the bed, then suddenly falling. I remember it happening once and asking my husband (who was wide awake reading) if I had been floating above the bed. Of course I wasn't, but I just had to be sure.
 
Posted by Keeley (Member # 2088) on :
 
I never had the feeling of levitating. I'd be lying there, either already asleep or drifting off, and suddenly it was as if the ground literally opened up.

The sensation never lasted long because I would wake myself up from it. It was too terrifying. (When I watch people training for parachuting, I cringe.)

I told my mother about it once and she told me to try to stay asleep and see what happened. Apparently there's a myth out there that if you hold on through the sensation you can find yourself in a different plane of existence.

Now I'm curious enough that I'm going to do a Google on it.
 


Posted by Keeley (Member # 2088) on :
 
Found it. It's called "sleep starts" and happens during the lightest phase of sleep (Stage 1) when your mind is in the hypnagogic state (you're not quite awake, but you're not quite asleep either). This is also a period of sleep when you may see vivid visual images.

However, as far as I can tell, this is not REM sleep, though it is closely related. During REM, it's harder to wake up.

I would post links, but there's so many...just do a Google on "hypnagogic". There's some cool stuff out there.
 


Posted by goatboy (Member # 2062) on :
 
I can control mine to a certain extent. In the rare event of a nightmare, I can usually wake up just enough to add an element of my own before sliding back to sleep.

So, when the 20 foot tall cobra/python hybrid is about to strike, I can wake up enough to introduce an object, say a shoulder fired missle, before going back to sleep.

But, frankly, I don't often have straight out nightmares. I have the occasional bout with this disorder and otherwise, I might have an actual nightmare every couple of years.

Now, if you want to have some really good dreams, quit smoking and leave a nicotine patch on over night. Hoo boy! "Vivid" is the word they use to described them on the box. I would say that it's an accurate assessment.


 




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