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Posted by arriki (Member # 3079) on :
 
We're almost to the start, not of the next quarter, but the quarter after next and still no report on the fourth quarter results

how unusual is this?

[This message has been edited by arriki (edited December 22, 2009).]
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
It happens this time of year. KDW falls behind during the awards from the previous quarter. Then you have the holidays and she is working on completing a novel on top of it.
She wrote on the WotF forums that she was sending one-third of the scripts back. Of course that requires them getting to LA and Joni then doing her part. I am assuming some people should be getting news by now.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Also, I've heard that this past quarter was one of the biggest quarters ever.

I've often gotten my reply back on 4th quarter about December 30th/31st, or even early January. It's just that time of the year for everyone.
 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I was told that Q3 was the biggest quarter ever--but then I would say that, as it panders to my vanity!

The reason KDW isn't finished is that she's been editing her novel for her publisher (a deadline) and she has apparently done about a third so far. If you check the WOTF forum...

[This message has been edited by skadder (edited December 23, 2009).]
 


Posted by wrenbird (Member # 3245) on :
 
*paces floors*
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
May the lot of you have the best of luck at it.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
First set of HMs are in.

http://wotfblog.galaxypress.com/
 


Posted by arriki (Member # 3079) on :
 
I went there. It's still the same third quarter blog that's been there forever.

Where did you see a fourth quarter list posting?
 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I guess you may need to refresh your page because the title of the blog entry is:

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE AND HERE WE GO WITH THE START OF 4TH QUARTER RESULTS...

followed by a long list of names.

 


Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
I see NickT on the HM list, but that's the only name I recognize. Congrats! Anyone else from Hatrack?
 
Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
quote:
Cheryl McCreary of The Path Home

Huh? Where is that at? One of the HM names
 


Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
Congrats to NickT, and hopefully the lack of Hatrackers indicates more HM to come, and some finalists too!
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
More results might be coming soon. KDW posted this today: I sent back another whopping big bunch of stories on New Year's Eve and am now finishing up the last lot.
 
Posted by Nick T (Member # 8052) on :
 
Hi,

Huh, I didn't know about this until deciding to check on Hatrack as I've been away for a while (busy life). That's pretty neat.

Thanks everyone,

Nick
 


Posted by Brad R Torgersen (Member # 8211) on :
 
I've poked Peter at WOTF about the size of the Q3 slush. He's not gotten back to me yet, though I am pretty sure that Q3 took the cake, in terms of sheer volume.

I am sure the economy has a lot to do with that. Lots of people throwing manuscripts -- any manuscripts! -- at the Contest, trying to get some cash.

Me, I am rooting for a few select souls by name. Otherwise, I am rooting for everybody, just on principle. As break-in sales goes, getting WOTF is a real hoot, and skadder and I have not even been to the gala yet. The check alone... Let me just say a copy of mine is framed under glass and hangs at my writing desk now.

Chump change, it is not. (Yoda voice)
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
quote:

Cheryl McCreary of The Path Home
Huh? Where is that at? One of the HM names.


I don't know. I found that weird myself. Maybe that was her title, and it was a clerical error, or maybe...

Congrats. I loved scrolling down and seeing two of the top three winners of Q3 are from Hatrack. Way to go again, and good luck to the rest of you who are still pacing.
~Sheena
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
There's a Path Home in Colorado. I can't tell if it's a spiritual retreat or an unusual school. What it's not is a city.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Now if Adam (Skadder) freezes to death before the awards are given, do they pick a replacement? I'm just asking because Britain sort of resembles Hoth right now and Adam has been having trouble getting his imperial walker started in the morning just to get to work.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
It's been bl@@dy freezing, but luckily I have the Force (a new brand of coffee) to help me get to work. But I believe Joni says that they find the nearest Englishman who has entered the contest who lives in LA if I don't make it...

[This message has been edited by skadder (edited January 08, 2010).]
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Weather can be such a pain. It's 77F here and I can't decide if I should wear jeans or shorts to work. I guess I'll wear the jeans, it might cool off towards the end of the day.
 
Posted by tchernabyelo (Member # 2651) on :
 
[quote]But I believe Joni says that they find the nearest Englishman who has entered the contest who lives in LA if I don't make it...{/quote]

Ooh, you shouldn't have said that, Adam.... I see my big chance opening up...
 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
Then you and Tnwilz will have to fight it out over my dead body!
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I know some finalists have had the call! Any hatrackians? You are allowed to say!
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
No posting any results? Come on guys.
 
Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
Still five finalist spots unaccounted for and I know some shy peoples on here havent announced HM, Rejections, or Semi/Finalist yet...but all the calls have gone out is my understanding. Hope five hatrackers take up the last five spots.
 
Posted by wrenbird (Member # 3245) on :
 
I've had no word whatsoever. So what does that mean? That my rejection's on it's way?


 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
Whose the semi-finalist? Of course you can't say without their permission--but I can't help asking.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
http://www.centredaily.com/463/story/1721732.html

Another list of HM's that is different (more extensive) than the blog.
 


Posted by wrenbird (Member # 3245) on :
 
lol, I guess I spoke too soon. I'm on that list (Renee Collins), but not the list on the blog!

I thought HMs got an email, which I haven't received, so I was preparing for rejection. This made my day!! Thanks skadder!
 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
Big congrats! Apparently, it was a tough quarter--so, well done.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
A second list of HM's is up on Joni's blog--this list is different to the one I found.

Check it out:

http://wotfblog.galaxypress.com/
 


Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
Three finalists outed themselves on the other forums. I suppose we will find out tonight since everyone is being so humble

Has the originator of this thread heard nothing either? Or more humility?
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Has there been anyone other than I that has yet to hear anything???

Hello? Alone in the dark here.
 


Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
A news release identified the remaining finalists as:

Mike Teevee of United States
Augustus Gloop of Germany
Veruca Salt of England
Violet Beauregarde of United States
and
Charlie Bucket of England

[This message has been edited by Dark Warrior (edited January 14, 2010).]
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
And I heard they are giving away a lifetime supply of chocolate for the winners this year.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Okay, so congratulations are in order for:

NickT
darklight
wrenbird
spaceman
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
The thought of Willy Wonka being equated with L. Ron Hubbard boggles my mind.
 
Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
quote:
The thought of Willy Wonka being equated with L. Ron Hubbard boggles my mind.

Waiting on word if any Hatrackers got the Golden Tickets is like the anxiety of peeling back the corner of a Wonka Bar to see if you are a WOTF finalist.

"Wait a minute. Strike that. reverse it." W.W.
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
I was trying really really hard not to comment on the names.
 
Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
http://wotfblog.galaxypress.com/

Semi-Finalists:

M. Alan Ford of California
Laurie Gailunas of Michigan
Sarah Grey of Arizona
Erica Hildebrand of Pennsylvania
Edward A. Liebing of Utah
David Moore of California
Chris Owens of Virginia
Gwendolyn Clare Williams of North Carolina
Cliff Winnig of California

Finalists:

John Arkwright of Georgia
Andrew Baines of Texas
Scott W. Baker of Tennessee
Devin Kenan of Oregon
Jeffrey D. Lyman of New York
Lael Salaets of Oregon
Meagan Spooner of Virginia
Laurie Tom of California


 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Congrats to Chris Owens.

Man, I am not kidding when I'm telling you that I have yet to hear about my entry. About half of the time I learn how I did after the top 16 are announced, which fills me with false hope everytime.

I wonder when (if) I get my script back.
 


Posted by ChrisOwens (Member # 1955) on :
 
Thanks! Congrats to all the finalists and my fellow semifinalists.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Congrats, Chris!
 
Posted by ChrisOwens (Member # 1955) on :
 
Thanks. It's the same ole song...
 
Posted by Brad R Torgersen (Member # 8211) on :
 
Hang tough, Chris. I know it's not the brass ring, but you were almost there. Just gotta get back to work and keep trying.
 
Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
Chris, from all accounts this was one of the toughest quarters ever. The forums have multiple posting from writers who got HM's and Semis previously and were rejected this time around. Your Semifinalist could probably be looked at as a step forward due to the level of competition.
 
Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
...and the final WOTF Q04 HM list...hope you are on it.

http://wotfblog.galaxypress.com/
 


Posted by ChrisOwens (Member # 1955) on :
 
Semifinals are better than a straight reject--which I was starting to wonder if I was due...

Thus far I've aquired an interesting symmetry:

Finalist : *
Semifinalst: ****
HM : ****
Reject : *


 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
Chris congrats on another semi-finalist. It must be nice to be so consistent...but also frustrating--still at least you get the crit. The dice will roll good one day.

Someone called Brenta Blevins was a finalist about five times and never won--go figure...I think she disqualified herself with pro-sales in the end.

Chris, when you get the crit, could you send it to me with the story so I can see what she says? I'd love to read it.
 


Posted by ChrisOwens (Member # 1955) on :
 
Sure enough. Remind me in case I forget between now and then. Don't expect anything too amazing though... it was kind pushing my envelope and I might've been overreaching.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Congrats Chris and all you others. It is as Skadder says, just a matter of time.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
THis isn't funny anymore. I still have yet to hear anything on my submission. I dug up the old email informing me they received it. I know I put in a SASE envelope. All my ducks were placed in a row. I therefore can conclude one of two things that happened.

a) Kathy had it on an early finalist list in her desk where it slipped behind it and is now being used as nesting material for the mouse living inside her wall.

or...

b) Ms. Wentworth believes there is a place for garbage and it is not the US postal system.

Guess I will put on some warm clothes, grab a lawnchair, and wait by my mailbox.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited January 17, 2010).]
 


Posted by LlessurNire (Member # 8781) on :
 
I'm in the same boat snapper...

I had received the confirmation email that my entry was received but I still have not received my rejection. (I'm assuming its a rejection since all the HM's and finalists have been announced)


 


Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
I noticed a WOTF entrant from my state was an HM in Q04.
Philip Edward Kaldon, his blog says that he has had an entry completely lost in the mail before. At least you guys know it got there.

quote:
In twenty-two WOTF entries I have had 3 Finalists (1 to be published in the 24th WOTF Anthology), 2 Semi-Finalists and 10 Quarter-Finalists/2 Honorable Mention, plus 4 plain old Rejections and 1 Lost-in-Mail (No Decision).

http://dr-phil-physics.com/bio.htm

[This message has been edited by Dark Warrior (edited January 17, 2010).]
 


Posted by MartinV (Member # 5512) on :
 
I have a question regarding the WOTF rules. I was reading throught their Contest Rules and found this:

quote:
7. We accept only entries for which no delivery signature is required by us to receive them.

What exactly does this mean?
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
I assume it means don't use registered post.
 
Posted by MartinV (Member # 5512) on :
 
If that is the case, I have no certificate that the mail has been shipped. Who guarantees me that they will not pretend they never received my shipment and claim my story as their own?
 
Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
quote:
If that is the case, I have no certificate that the mail has been shipped. Who guarantees me that they will not pretend they never received my shipment and claim my story as their own?

History. With WOTF in particular they have had tens of thousands of submissions and if that had ever happened word would have leaked out about it. After so many years, with the same reading staff in place, and it never happening I would say you could trust this particular contest/publisher not to do that.

Plus they send you a confirmation email to let you know that they received your submission.

[This message has been edited by Dark Warrior (edited January 17, 2010).]
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I recall reading where an author was informed that his entry he sent two years pryor was discovered inside the WotF secret lair.

After sending their deepest apoligizes they offered him a list of options. He decided to let that be his submission for the next.

He got a quarter-finalist (now called Honable Mention) in the end.
 


Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
quote:
I recall reading where an author was informed that his entry he sent two years pryor was discovered inside the WotF secret lair.
After sending their deepest apoligizes they offered him a list of options. He decided to let that be his submission for the next.

He got a quarter-finalist (now called Honable Mention) in the end.


A complimentary critique would have been cool in that instance

[This message has been edited by Dark Warrior (edited January 17, 2010).]
 


Posted by MartinV (Member # 5512) on :
 
I'm not questioning WOTF's integrity. It's just that I had some bad experience with mail service in the past where something quite important was sent in haste without being registered. And it simply disappeared. I blamed the mail service, of course, not the recipient. If I had the shipment registered, I would at least have proof I sent it.
 
Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
You can get USPS proof of delivery without having it signed for by the recipient. USPS will just say yeah, it was delivered on this date. Plus the confirmation email tells you that they received it. What they dont want is a requirement for Joni to be there to personally sign for it when it arrives, there are way too many submissions for that to be feasible on their end.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Dear Journal,

It has been 93 days since I last heard of the fate of my 10Q4 script. All others have either shrugged their shoulders and grinned at their Honorable Mention award, cried over their coffee and moved on from their 'try again' letter, or snapped their fingers on getting so close as Chris has. My poor submission has become lost in the abyss. A refuge from the lands of hopes and dreams, a vagrant among the fortunate and lucky literary works, a ghost without substance drifting without purpose, and a 1000 other cliched overdramatic passages that I do not have time to research at the moment.
I often lie and bed and wonder what has happened to my lonely, black ink on white paper, words that are pasted together, masterpiece. Was it close at hand when the heat went out in KDW's house and they needed something to start the kindling in the fireplace? Was it the day when poochy couldn't wait be let out and they needed something to clean it up? Perhaps it had a more noble fate and is being used to catch the dripping paint in the freshly painted living room.
I am now wondering if their is something else I could have done. Was the tiny cameras inserted inside the page numbers to spy on Kathy while she read my script such a bad idea? Does Skadders 'Voodoo spell on every page' suggestion sound so silly now?
Maybe I should start a support group with LN.
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
My heart bleeds.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
Cut back on the warfarin, then.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Snapper, have you tried e-mailing Joni to ask about your story's status?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
OH know, JH, I haven't. That solution is too easy and makes sense.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Got my script back today, minus the We made a horrible mistake! explanation I was hoping for.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
So the story arc closes. Better luck next time.
 
Posted by LlessurNire (Member # 8781) on :
 
got my rejection in the mail today as well snapper

it was dated Jan 14th, the same day that the final HM's and finalists were posted...I wonder if they always wait until posting the winners to send these out?
 




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