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DatBum65
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Hi everyone,
Hammer away at the following, please.
Horror/4000 words (I'm rewriting the ending.)

Jacob Wade suffered. He lay comatose in his cell, stripped of power, and all of his thoughts were forcibly repressed, like anesthesia. Judged guilty and sentenced, his consciousness was revoked. The harshest penalties permitted by the Laws were leveled against him, and the pain he endured was pure, flawless, and entirely righteous. His punishment was worse than death. It was a two-phase ordeal that cycled from one to the next in unpredictable lengths of time. He was in phase one: isolation. The sense of profound solitude, disturbing in its strength, punished him until his awareness was reactivated, at random intervals, to rip him apart with intense grief and regret. One of those intervals arrived just now, and phase two began again. The torture was extreme.


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Wow.
Nice. I like this.
I wonder what he's done (or not done) to deserve such punishment.

Cool.


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Hi and welcome to Hatrack.

Reading this intro, I can't help but feel there are some troubling contradictions. Perhaps it's a tense or time issue. Allow me to explain.

The first apparent contradiction occurs in the first two sentences. You write that Jacob suffered, yet he is comatose, lacking consciousness. So, I asked myself how this could be? If one isn't aware of their surroundings, then would they suffer?

If the story read: "Jacob had suffered. Presently, he lay comatose..." Well, this one clear things up immediately in my opinion. I would have a clear sense of time and that something had happened to cause him to suffer.

But the trouble here is that doing that might take away your intent. So what to do to resolve this?

I believe you need to be clearer about WHEN Jacob suffers -- which can only be during moments of consciousness (perhaps phase two).

Then end of the paragraph you start to resolve the contradictions... and if Jacob is presently moving into phase two, then the preceding information is sort of info-dumpish. Again, what to do? How to balance this?

Consider starting with phase two immediately, with Jacob realizing he had just left phase one somehow.

The writing is good, though, save for one very small nitpick:


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The sense of profound solitude, disturbing in its strength, punished him until his awareness was reactivated, at random intervals, to rip him apart with intense grief and regret.

This is a bit awkward, the part of I've put in bold. Consider dumping the commas and just let it fly. It will read smoother -- less jagged.

Best of luck with this tale. It sounds vaguely familiar... the screenplay / movie of Philip K. Dick's "Minority Report" comes to mind (the actual short story is completely different). This isn't a bad thing, this familiarity, it's just something to note.

[This message has been edited by HSO (edited March 24, 2005).]


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Without reading the other comments....

This sounds like a very neat idea but I'm finding that this opening may not have done justice to the underlying idea. (Although I did at least seem to understand where you were going, which is a plus.)

"Jacob Wade suffered."

First of all. This sentence is meaningless. You go on to describe how he suffered throughout the entire paragraph and meanwhile this just kind of what...eh. I was saying, "So what?" to myself as I read it.

"He lay comatose in his cell, stripped of power, and all of his thoughts were forcibly repressed, like anesthesia."

This sentence is a bit off. You have an inconcistent style within a comma-separated list. Why did you all of a sudden throw a verb in instead of saing, "...and alll of his thoughts forcibly repressed...." That's just a inor structure problem. The last two words of this sentence are what really threw m. You compare his condition to anesthesia. Well, I've been under full anesthesia once before and it didn't make me suffer in the least. In fact, the point was that I didn't feel a thing while they cut into my gums and removed the badly misloadged wisdom teeth. So when you tell me that all of what you described was like anesthesia it does two things: First, I don't believe it because I don't think he's suffering and two I figure he's just unconsciouss.

" Judged guilty and sentenced, his consciousness was revoked."

This I found quite interesting. This is where you hooked me, as a matter of fact, and I wouldn't have minded seeing this information (not this exact sentence, if the very first sentence.)

" The harshest penalties permitted by the Laws were leveled against him, and the pain he endured was pure, flawless, and entirely righteous."

First, you used passive voice in the first part of this sentence. the punishments were leveled against him....BY WHOM? Who leveled these punishments? It doesn't have to be specific...The judge, the jury, society, the law?

Next, you have him enduring pain. Once again, he wouldn't if he were under anesthesia. But let's assume you didn't really mean tht. I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean by pure, flawless, and entirely righteouss. It seems you may be insinuating that he was guilty and so this was all right to have done, but the same terms are often used for someone about to become a martyr for a cause. Not knowing a thing about what he may have done to end up in jail, I'm not sure which usage you mean here.

" His punishment was worse than death."

Show me. I suggest cutting this sentence altogether and simply describing the punishment. Let me decide if it's worse than death.

"He was in phase one: isolation. The sense of profound solitude, disturbing in its strength, punished him until his awareness was reactivated, at random intervals, to rip him apart with intense grief and regret. One of those intervals arrived just now, and phase two began again. The torture was extreme."

Huh? I think you're getting at something kind of neat here but all I can think is huh? First of all, if he is unconsciouss then he is not thinking or feeling anything. We're back to the "like anesthesia" bit. You can't feel loneliness unless you're consciouss. I'm afraid what you're showing me doesn't sound very bad at all. It sounds like they just turned him off to get him out of the way and every so often they bring him back around. I can't figure out why they would do it that way since the times of blankness would have no effect on him whatsoever. I'm also not clear on what phase two is.

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All that said, it really does sound like you're getting at something neat here. Torture always makes for good horror and isolation, if you can describe it a little better, is a heck of a horror for people. Good luck!


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to me, this reads like a whole lot of telling, rather than showing. Don't tell me "Jacob Wade suffered," show me himn suffering. Don't tell me "His punishement was worse than death," or "the torture was extreme," show me. I don't feel drawn into this at all.
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As the others have said, I think that the underlying concept is very interesting but the use of "comatose" is confusing.

I have a question for you. Are we about to get a flashback to why he's in this place?


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I'm with Beth. Also, it seems rather contemplative (thinking about the penalties of law) for someone who's in excruciating pain.

I would keep reading, to see why his society sentences people to torture, so I'm mildly hooked.


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Thank you all for the excellent feedback. I found the same problems that many of you pointed out. My creative writing teacher told me that "writing like this doesn't work in fiction." I should have listened! Ego, be gone. Anyway, I revised the beginning a lot, eliminating the "telling" problem and the contradictions that I had attempted to explain away, but failed. Please feel free to hammer on this version, and I will give my feedback to some of the good stuff out there! This opening is 175 words long, and I hope it isn't too long for this post.

Shackles bit into Jacob Wade's wrists and ankles, and the steel chains that secured him to the cell's floor remained sturdy as he struggled to break them. His atrophied muscles exhausted fast and forced him to end his escape attempt. In total darkness, he collapsed to his knees, cursing the Judges who had stripped him of his power and had rendered him human. He saw a thin, red strip of light cutting through the darkness in front of him, and he stood and grit his teeth. In terror, he retreated to the limits of the chains. The red light carved out a rectangle in the darkness, and he knew it was time--again. He yanked at the chains, eyes wide, as a door-sized section within the red outline moved inward with a stone-on-stone grinding sound. He heard their voices behind it, and dread beat in his heart. He attempted an incantation, but he could not form the words without a tongue. The Laws were strict, and still he mumbled on, hoping to avoid the torture.


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Hi Bum,

In terms of workability, your rewrite is far better. You showed the torment, gave some indication of who he was, hinted at specifically what the punishment was, and gave the promise that we would learn the why.

That being said, I couldn't help feeling like you'd lost some of the passion from the previous draft. I don't think you should sacrifice any of the strengths I mentioned above, but I wish more of that passion had remained. Due to the personal nature of that statement, I can't think of any helpful suggestions, nor do I want to give the impression that I would not read on because of this, because I would. I guess I'm just trying to eat the cake, too.

For whatever all that was worth,

Joe


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Some reactions. Mostly, I like this much better, and I've got more hooks (stripping him of his powers, and the magic spell he wants to say).

Shackles bit into Jacob Wade's wrists and ankles, and the steel chains that secured him to the cell's floor remained sturdy as he struggled to break them. [WHY IS HE STRUGGLING? I WOULDN'T, EVEN IF I KNEW THE TORTURE WAS COMING, BECAUSE IT ONLY MAKES THE SHACKLES BITE IN] His atrophied muscles exhausted fast [and forced him to end his escape attempt]. In [total] darkness, he collapsed to his knees, cursing the Judges who had stripped him of his power and had rendered him human. [PARAGRAPH.] He saw a thin, red strip of light cutting through the darkness in front of him, and he stood and grit his teeth. In terror, he retreated to the limits of the chains. The red light carved out a rectangle in the darkness, and he knew it was time--again. He yanked at the chains, eyes wide, as a door-sized section within the red outline moved inward with a stone-on-stone grinding sound. He heard their voices behind it[, and dread beat in his heart]. He attempted an incantation, but he could not form the words without a tongue. The Laws were strict, [I DON'T SEE THE RELEVANCE. IS HE BANNED FROM SAYING SPELLS? BUT HE HAS NO TONGUE -- AND WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT THEY AREN'T ALREADY DOING?] and still he mumbled on, hoping to avoid the torture. [IT WON'T WORK WITHOUT A TONGUE, WILL IT? I THINK AFTER SUCH HORRIFIC TREATMENT HE'D BE A VICTIM OF "LEARNED HELPLESSNESS."]


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Wow! This version is immensely better. I loved the bit about the Judges and what they'd done to him. It gives me just enough information to know what's going on, and want to know more.

I disagree with wbriggs about struggling, though. People struggle against things even when they know that it won't do them any good (and sometimes harms them). It's human nature.

Why did he stand up when they came in, though? If he was so weak and exhausted that, moments earlier, he could no longer struggle against his chains, why does he now suddenly have strength enough to haul himself to his feet?

"The Laws were strict, and still he mumbled..." I think it would make more sense to say "...strict, yet still..." (or substitute "but" for "yet").

Overall, though, I think this second version is much, much better. If you'd like, I'll read the whole thing, but my computer has been mean to me lately, so I might be a little slow getting back to you.

Jaya


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yes, I like this version a lot more, as well. It's a little heavy on the adjectives, but overall, I like it.

Agree with J. about struggling and with W. about putting in the paragraph break. White space is your friend!

Have you revised the whole thing? Or just the opening? I'm willing to read if the whole thing has been reworked to go along with this opening.


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I'm actually conflicted about whether Jacob would continue to struggle against the shackles and try to say the spell even though he knows he can't.

Jacob will eventually get to a state of defeat where he will not try anymore. The question is, has he reached that point yet and if not, why not?

If he has been under torture for only a short period of time, then it's entirely possible he would continue to struggle and vainly attempt to call a spell. If he has been tortured for a long time then it's more likely he will give up. He might not abandon hope but he might stop the physical struggle to wait for a more productive attempt at escape.

You have to understand Jacob's character well enough to know what his breaking point is. Everyone's is different and you have to know his so that you can decide whether or not he has reached it.

Will had a good point about the shackles biting in further by Jacob's struggling. Is Jacob the type of character who, at this point, would avoid all unnecessary pain since he is already forced to endure the torture? Or is that pain preferable because it holds the hope of escape?

Jaina's point about Jacob standing is also valid. If his muscles are truly atrophied then standing would not be possible. Crawling might be.

It definately caught my interest. If you need another reader for the whole thing, let me know.


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The only thing that confuses me is some of the responses to your second versino.

I liked it much better. I thought it had *more* passion and I had no problem with the idea of Jacob struggling against his imprisonment when the worst of his torture is about to come. People are weird animals. We do those sorts of things.

I noticed the lack of paragraph breaks in the first version but didn't mention it in light of the other problems. In the second version, it was the biggest problem I saw off the bat. Sometimes you can just break the paragraph even if the subject hasn't changed a whole heck of a lot. In fiction, shorter paragraphs and shorter sentences can be used strategically to move action along.

Other than that, my original vague concern that you were about to launch into a flashback is nullified in this version. I still feel like you're about to luanch into a flashback but I can't honestly say it's a bad thing. In even this short a space you have given me enough connectivity and curiosity that I think I would tolerate it. Just be sure to give me a very clear idea of the present before going to the past. I wouldn't tolerate it now, but in a page or two when you've gone through the torture more thoroughly and completely immersed me in the now so that I'm dying to know what happened to get him there.


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I liked your second version much better and I think that the content has been commented on enough, so I'm just going to address style and rhythm.

When I judge a passage, I read it outloud. My problem with yours is that it didn't flow at all. My favorite sentance from the fragment is "His atrophied muscles exhausted fast and forced him to end his escape attempt." The reasons for this is because it is a single well defined thought/action which manages to smoothly convey a lot of information. Also, unlike practically every other sentance in the paragraph, it doesn't have tons of commas.

Commas (and punctuation in general) can break the flow of a sentance and fundamentally change its rhythm. Most of your sentances don't manage to gain rhythm because they are interrupted too soon. Separate them into two sentances or reorganize the thoughts so that they are more cohesive.

For example:

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Shackles bit into Jacob Wade's wrists and ankles, and the steel chains that secured him to the cell's floor remained sturdy as he struggled to break them. His atrophied muscles exhausted fast and forced him to end his escape attempt. In total darkness he collapsed to his knees, cursing the Judges who had stripped him of his power and rendered him human. He saw a thin red strip of light cutting through the darkness in front of him, and he stood and grit his teeth. In terror he retreated to the limits of the chains. The red light carved out a rectangle in the darkness and he knew it was time--again. He yanked at the chains, eyes wide, as a door-sized section within the red outline moved inward with a stone-on-stone grinding sound. He heard their voices behind it, and dread beat in his heart. He attempted an incantation, but he could not form the words without a tongue. The Laws were strict, but still he mumbled on, hoping to avoid the torture.

I changed around one or two words (nothing big) but I stripped out a bunch of commas. Also, many of your sentances have the form, "setting setting, word word word word word, simulaneous occurance/note." While this can work, more sentance variety is a good thing.

I enjoyed the topic and would continue to read the story for the content, but I found it difficult to read due to the rhythm and the sentance structure.


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Hi everyone:

Your feedback is much appreciated and well said. Thank you very much for spending the time to read and critique.

I have addressed many of the problems mentioned. I have not yet rewritten the entire story. Time is taken by work, wife, trying to stay healthy. I will try to have the entire story rewritten by next weekend. I did manage, though, to get the first two paragraphs done.

Jacob Wade knew the chains would not break. He tried anyway. The links went taut. Shackles bit to bone. Blood filled his face. He wrenched the floor-mounted u-bolt. It held. His wrists were raw. They stung. The chains didn't budge. His teeth might shatter; his right eye could rupture. Screaming, he dug in and yanked harder. Nothing. The chains denied freedom. His atrophied muscles tired fast and forced him to end his escape attempt. He was skeletal thin. He heaved. In darkness, he cursed the Judges. They erased his power. They rendered him human.

A strip of red light cut the darkness vertically. He grit his teeth. He stood his ground. The red light carved out a rectangle in the darkness. Time was here. He spit into his palms and rubbed them together. He cracked his knuckles. He prepared his will. A door-sized section within the red outline moved inward. Stone-on-stone rumbled. He heard voices behind the door. He mumbled. He attempted an incantation, but he could not form the words. The Judge-ordered glossectomy prevented him from doing magic. But still he mumbled. He was learning.


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Hey... er...

How many sentences start with "he", "the", or some other article or noun, proper or otherwise? Here, let me show this another way. I'm going to list the first word of each of your sentences, because I believe you should mix up how sentences start. Let's do it:

Jacob He The Shackles Blood He It His They he His Screaming Nothing The His He He In Darkness They They A He He The Time He He He A Stone-on-stone He He He The But He

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See my point? We'd like some prepositional phrases... whatever. But every sentence starts the same way, one after another, and they are all typically 2-5 words long. Consider rethinking this intro.

Best of luck.


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Yeah, I'd have to agree with HSO about the sentence lengths. Having a few short ones is okay, but two paragraphs worth doesn't work for me. Try stringing some of them together. It'll make the piece sound less choppy. Read it out loud to yourself and I think you'll see what I mean.
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Yeah, definitely liked the second one better. It flowed much better. This one is choppy to the point of distraction, although it's much more descriptive. I think you took Eadwacer's advice a little too seriously. Variety is your best friend! Leave the paragraph break, though; it works very well.
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Hmm, I didn't notice Eadwacer's comment before, which was:

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Commas (and punctuation in general) can break the flow of a sentance and fundamentally change its rhythm.

No offense, Ead, but this comment--as written--is terrible advice. Still, I don't think you meant it to come off this way. Read on, please.

Firstly, punctuation is bloody well necessary, and it should be mostly invisible when used properly.

Secondly, misplaced punctuation stands out like a naked man in church -- no one wants to see that.

Thirdly, if you just added to your comment the following, all would be solved: "Improperly placed commas..."

Right. 'nuff said. Sorry, Ead. I like punctuation. Them's fighting words you used round these parts.

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Oh dear, I think that was my fault. I suggested that shorter sentences and paragraphs can move you more quickly through action, but it's actually a *variety* of sentence lengths used at the right time and in the right way taht does the trick. This is just choppy.

Let me illustrate:

This is a long sentence because I wish to illustrate the point that long sentences are a bit slower, but they can be smoothly written in a such a way that they guide readers through their content and show their importance by their very length. Short sentences work through contrast.

You see? You just finished reading a long sentence and then all of a sudden you have a five-word sentence that you bounce right through. This speeds up the pace for that sentence. It is the contrast that creates the most punch. In fact, varied sentenc elengths are of key importance in fiction. (Or in any kinf of writing, IMO.) They keep the reader from being bored, the writing from becomming stagnant, the action from grinding to a halt, or (as in the above example) making the narrator sound like a drugged bunny rabbit.

This is a confusing point and I apologize for adding to that confusion. I hope this helps to clarify the matter. If not, we can always begin a discussion on the open discussion about sentence lengths. That way many people could benefit.


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No, no, no. It's not anybody's fault. Period. It's all just a process of revising. This is only the second revision of this particular fragment. It came out choppy, because I was trying to find my voice for this particular subject. I will get it eventually. I fully understand sentence structure, grammar, sentence-length variation, etc... It's all a matter of getting the proportions right, which will happen through the revision process. My attempt with the previous draft was to get Jacob's intent more consistent, but I'm afraid it came out like James Ellroy's writing, but far, far worse.

I will smooth it out over time...It's already being taken care of... There's no fault here.

Jacob Wade knew he could never break the chains, but he tried anyway. The links went taut, and the shackles on his writs bit to bone. Blood filled his face, ears ringing from the strain. The floor-mounted u-bolt holding him prisoner easily withstood the small amount force he applied to it. His wrists were raw and stung, and the chains were unyielding. His right eye threatened to rupture under the pressure, and his teeth ground out a warning that they could shatter at any second. Screaming and grunting, he dug in and yanked harder. The chains denied his feeble attempt as they had done for years. His atrophied muscles tired and forced him to end this exercise of willpower. It kept his mind strong. He heaved and breathed in gulps of foul air. In darkness, he cursed the Judges who had erased his power and rendered him human.

A red dot of light, the size of a cigar end, cut through the darkness. He grit his teeth and stood his ground. The fuse-like glow carved out a rectangle, unzipping it from the wall. Time was here. They were going to try to break him again. He spit into his palms and rubbed them together, then cracked his knuckles. He prepared his will, needing every bit of it. A door-sized section within the red outline grumbled toward Jacob, stone rumbling on stone and voices behind the door growing louder. He mumbled and attempted an incantation, but he could not form the words. The Judge-ordered glossectomy prevented him from doing magic. But still he mumbled. He was learning.


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My earlier comment about sentence starts still applies. I mean, yeah, there's nothing technically wrong with starting sentences similarly, but it's a style thing, and it makes the text more interesting.

For instance, rewriting just one sentence in the first paragraph would do wonders, such as this one:

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The floor-mounted u-bolt holding him prisoner easily withstood the small amount force he applied to it.

Let's make this more active and more interesting (opinion):

Applying a small amount of force to u-bolts holding him prisoner, Johan realized they easily withstood his efforts.

You know? The above examle is rough, but I hope it gets the point across. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just offering an opinion that I think will make this piece far more interesting. And varying sentences will do that.


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I have a feeling that our advise combined in a disasterous manner. (Christine, I can't let you take [u]all[/u] the blame for that one. A lot of it was mine.)

Yes, punctuation is necessary and, if you read my writing, you'll see that I use many commas. My point was that he was using too many of them and improperly. The third one did have too many short sentances and not enough variety.

I like the fourth one. It has good flow with good variety of sentances. I might add an explanation of "Glossectomy" such as:

"The Judge-ordered glossectomy prevented him from doing magic. But still he mumbled around his missing tounge."

Also, why is he only applying a small amount of force? I imagine that it is because he is weak from imprisonment, but it isn't clear. Perhaps if you said something like "small amount of force that he could apply."


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Hey.
I thought that last one was wicked.
I'm amazed at how good it sounds in comparison to the attempt before.
It just shows what great advise this forum can throw up.
I'd read more of that for sure. It was really exciting too.

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I think your latest post is a massive improvement over the first. I only have a minor nitpick:

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His wrists were raw and stung

If you take out raw, you can see that it is saying that his wrists were stung (by bees?). Unless that is what you meant, it should be "raw and stinging" or "raw and they stung".

Otherwise, it looks good!

--Mel


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