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jackonus
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Anyone do much reading of Surrealist literature? I always thought of this movement as mostly in the visual arts, but there were apparently at least some Surrealist Poets.

What got me thinking about this was the use of personal symbols (usually dream symbols) in Surrealist art. To fully appreciate that art, it helps to have a "code book" telling us what any particular symbol meant to the artist.

In writing, I'm perplexed as to how a story could attract readers if it was full of intensely personal symbols that are generally left unexplained. So, here's the question for us writers:

Can we create symbols (basically a short word picture) that is imbued with intensely personal meaning but is essentially either a mundane object or phrase for the average reader? And, if we can, what are the obstacles to overcome in making that writing INTERESTING (to anyone but our analyst)?

I recently wrote a short piece that synopsizes the descent into delusions with the protagonist ending up having his actions directed by playing cards he happens on in the trash-filled streets of NYC. It isn't a surrealist piece, but even with a more concrete (pardon the pun) surround I struggled with trying to make the cards "mean" something more than they would to a normal person.


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Surreality is a mode of perception, not a mode of expression. By which I mean, it isn't the work itself that is surreal (otherwise it would indeed be impossible to decode) but the experience that is being portrayed. Just as impressionism sought to break some of the artificial constraints of what we might call 'nominative' expression (i.e. this is what I was able to infer as actually existing from what I saw) by painting what was seen more or less as it was seen, so surrealism seeks to enter the world of perception (where Impressionism is in the world of the senses, Surrealism is in the world of our mind).

In that sense, I think that 'decoding' Surrealist art into explicit meanings is like taking an Impressionist work and using it as a sketch for a realist work, or even turning it into a list of objects and positions. What most Surrealist literatuve should express is not understandable meaning, but incoherent meaninglessness, or things that seem meaningful but cannot be rationally organized.

The recent film "Gladiator" contained a number of "action" scenes, but the scenes were shot differently from how such scenes are usually shot in action films. Instead of ever using slow motion to give a better chance for understanding the physical nature (I mean the rationally explicable motion of bodies according to the laws of nature) of the action, the scenes were often sped up, cut incoherently, shot from angles that made it difficult to get an observer's viewpoint of much of the action.

Because the point of the action sequences was not to make the viewer an observer, but rather to make them a participant. The vertigo, disorientation, confusion about what exactly are happening, are the message of the action scenes. If we make it our goal to understand what is "really" happening, then we are missing the experience that the art is portraying. The spectators see one thing, the participant sees something entirely different.

Of course, many "artists" use surrealism as a sort of puzzle box in which to hide the "real" meaning of their work, but don't you do that. If you're writing about what it's like to lose your mind, make the reader go through it. If you're portraying the experience of life and death struggle, don't write about tactics, or about anything. Write the desperation and confusion and pain itself.

I have to admit, I'm no good at Surrealism, but I appreciate it when it's well done. Just remember, the first part of doing it well is using it validly, to put the audience through an experience that parallels that of the protagonist. Using it for a veil to hide what you're really saying is forcing the reader to choose between the experience and the meaning, but it's a false choice because you've already made the choice for them.


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Hmm... Sort of implies that Surrealist prose would need to be written in the first person. Maybe even first person plural. Present tense maybe as well???

How about parallel lines of text relating different parts of the scene? Too gimmicky. No wonder most of it is poetry.

Well, the non-surreal thing I wrote that got me thinking about this is 1st person singular as that seemed intuitively to be the only way to tell the story and give the reader any sense of going through it with the character.

This probably would never work at much length. I suppose I could imbed it in a chapter of a longer work, like a soliloquey. Didn't James Joyce do that in Dubliners or something? Darn, maybe I should've taken a real literature course.


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C.J. Cherrye has an interesting point of view narrative mode that she uses a lot. At times she approaches surrealism, partly just because the grammatical form degrades when she's depicting a character responding to stressfull situations. But I think it's more than that. In many of her more intense scenes, the reader (at least when it's me) hasn't the faintest idea of what's really going on outside the character's head, except that it's really bad stuff. Sometimes you don't find out what really happened until the character goes back and revisits the scene of the event or talks about it with someone that was more observant, and sometimes it takes several false tries to get the 'real' story behind what happened.

By the way, does anyone know the real way to spell her name?


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Her real name is Carolyn Cherry, but I believe an editor (could have been an agent) suggested she put the "h" on the end of her last name to make it more alien/memorable (or something like that). Her brother, David Cherry, who does cover artwork and other science fictional and fantasy illustrations, did not change the spelling of his last name.

Jackonus, could the symbols you're talking about in your introductory post be similar to archetypes? (By the way, if you're into fortunetelling with cards--Tarot cards or regular playing cards--you already know that the cards have a great deal of significance.)


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No wonder I can never spell her name! I can see why she did it, though. Caroline Cherry sounds like a psuedonym for a teen romantic mystery writer, hardly the best image for one of the more literary abstract writers in the 'serious' science fiction world...
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Archetypes, most definitely, at least as I understand the word. The parallel to Tarot cards is interesting. I hadn't thought of that. It might give a great title for the longer piece. Hmm... "Urban Tarot"??? Gotta think about that one. But the link to Tarot is a good one. Those cards are fun to play with (although I find that the flavor of ice cream someone likes is more revealing of their personality -- oh wait, we've been through that already haven't we?) My wife bought a deck of Tarot cards and we did each other's readings. It was actually pretty interesting.

To capitalize on the delusion of my tragic character, I've been thinking about playing cards only, but maybe he could become more pathological by generalizing to all sorts of flat rectangular objects too. That's even more like the Surreal where shapes are imbued with meaning beyond what the eye can see.

Thanks!


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Tarot cards hate me. "Okay, this is you, the death card. Hmm, don't know what that means, but I'm sure it's not bad as it sounds...."

Actually, the idea of starting to see everything as cards makes sense. I remember a period of time during which I couldn't read anything without thinking of what shapes I would need to add to fill out the lines of letters al la tetris. It was worse than the period during which I saw chess diagrams all over the page.


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So, do you ever let your eyes go out of focus and then see the patterns of white running between the words up and down the page? I've wondered if I could hide a message on the pages of a book by manipulating what words I use to form the text which, necessarily, forms the thin white spaces between the letters. Wouldn't that be fun!

As for Tarot, a good reader can make any reading a positive affirmation of your most cherished personal beliefs. Death card! Oh, you're quite the lady's man, aren't you!!!

Beware the six of cups. I think that means bladder trouble. I could be wrong.


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Uh, yeah! A ladies man. That sounds good. I could use being a ladies man, I've only had one date in the last ten years...

Maybe I shouldn't have dismissed those cards so quickly....


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As I understand the pamphlet that came with our deck of Tarot cards "Tarot: babe magnet or just a source of prescience?" there's something about mystic readings that just melts a woman's heart. Once you've got that mess cleaned up, you can try actually interpreting the cards.

Actually, Tarot readings always have a component about family and relationships. So, it gives you something to talk about with a potential life partner. Like "it says you'll have three kids. My reading says only two. I guess you'll be having one more with your second husband."

Or, you can finish the reading and dramatically check for a pulse. Then say "hmm, that's strange" and refuse to answer any more questions. Guaranteed to keep 'em coming back.


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