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Jsteg1210
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I just had about seven flashes of inspiration, and now am looking for help developing and implementing a great book idea.

There are several more interesting twists, but here are the basics (and why I need a co-writer). Merlin lives his life in reverse according to Authorian Legend. I want to write two parallel novels, arranged in the pages so that you turn the book over and your reading the other. On one page you have the Authorian Legend from King Arthur's point of view, turn it over and you have exactly the same scene from Merlin's point of view. This would be arranged so that you can read straight through one story, then flip it and read the some story from the other POV only the entire plotline is reversed. If you're interested let me know and I'll explain the rest to you, there are elements that will make this plotline reversal even more interesting.

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-Josh


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Josh Leone
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Josh (feels like I'm talking to myself ),

I am not a scholar on the subject of Arthur so I hope this is not too silly a question. Why do you say "Authorian" as opposed to "Arthurian." Just my curious nature I guess, but I had to ask.

Thanks and be well,
Josh Leone
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Jsteg1210
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Typo. We're not all perfect you know...
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As I recall, Piers Anthony did an excellent job in the "Incarnations of Immortality" series of portraying a character (Thanatos/Death) who lives "backward" in time. It was engaging, and the difficulties he experienced living "backward" were part of the story and character development.

But I have to say that in my opinion, your idea of printing parallel stories in the same book requiring the reader to physically turn the book around sounds gimmicky to me. A serious adult reader doesn't want to be flipping the book around. I could never choke my way through "A Clockwork Orange" because I lost patience with having to wade through the invented language just to get to the story.

You might find that ten-year-olds would find the book flipping thing fun. It would be similar to those "choose your story" books that get them to a decision point in the plot, and then if they choose A they turn to one page, and if they choose B they turn to a different page, thus "creating" their own story & ending.

But for me, I want the REAL world to go away when I'm reading. I want to become immersed in the story. If you keep pulling me OUT of the story to flip the book around, you'd lose me. Guess I'm not as patient as a ten-year-old!!


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Jsteg1210
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Unfortunately, flipping the book would be the only way to make the two plotlines physically line up. They are oriented opposite to eachother. If you have a better idea, I'm all ears.

Also, if a reader doen't want to stop reading one side, they don't have to. They can read all the way through and then read the other part.

[This message has been edited by Jsteg1210 (edited March 20, 2005).]


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Josh Leone
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Josh,

Sorry about that. I wasn't trying to nitpick. It was just that the typo was so consistent, and my knowledge of Arthurian lore so vague, that I figured it was one of those gaps in my knowledge.

Next time you should say something like, "Well, you see I was using the original French as transcribed from the letters of Demasi. In that ancient version of the language it is most closely translated as 'Authorian' and I wanted to be as accurate as possible."

If you had said that, I would have sat here going, "Wow, this guy’s really done some serious research!"

Ten years from now you might have heard the narrator on a Discovery Channel special use the phrase "Authorian Lore" and could have smiled to yourself content in the knowledge that, like any good scholar, something you made up from whole cloth has become historical fact. lol

Josh Leone
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The only book I can think of that has Merlin 'living backwards' is the once and future king by White.

Am I mistaken?


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Jeraliey
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There are two books by Pamela F. Service that are a lot of fun. They are related young adult scifi/fantasy novels called The Winter of Magic's Return and Tomorrow's Magic. I know exactly zilch about the Arthurian legend stuff (other than your basic stuff), but as I remember them, they're great if you want to see what other people have done with Merlin's aging eccentricity.
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I'm not a fan of the whole two books together and flipping the book around and all that - but even ignoring that for the moment, I don't understand why you need a coauthor. It sounds as if the two books are going to fit together intricately, which I imagine would be vastly easier to do with one author.

Just curious.


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WAY too many Arthur books written from Merlin's POV already. Done to death, IMO.

I'd be MUCH more intrigued by a standard form book written primarily from ARthur's POV--First or third person. That sounds like a great idea.


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Jeraliey
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There's a reason that it's overdone. It's because Merlin is the best lens through which to see the story, just as Watson is the best lens through which to see Sherlock Holmes. Think about it, in reference to all the writing advice you get for picking a POV character.
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Would a publisher even be willing to tackle such a tricky layout? Seems to me that when you detail it in your query letter, it might be a put-off.
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Oh, Jeraliey, I've thought about it. But that doesn't keep me (an Arthur-phile) from being tired of reading them. I'd like something fresh. Something fresh would be to explore the story from Arthur's POV. Or from just about anyone BUT Merlin's POV.

I know there's a YA book out there that explores it from Mordred's POV. Haven't read it yet, but I imagine I will someday. Then there's The Mists of Avalon which explores it from the female POV--though the pagan element was too strong for me on that one. I couldn't get past Bradley's matter-of-fact treatment of a ritualistic, drug-induced rape of a little girl. I still get creeped out even thinking about it.

So, yeah, Josh. I agree with the reservations stated above. Quite simply, it would be too much work to ask of readers, IMO. Readers read to enjoy, not to work. If they want to work at reading they pay for the privilege. It's called college.

But to approach the ARthur story from a unique angle (meaning just about ANYTHING except Merlin's POV) would be interesting to me.


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Jeraliey
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I totally understand, Dakota.

Have you seen the books I mentioned? I remember them as being really creative. You might enjoy them. (They're not from Merlin's perspective )


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Probably one of my favorite books of all time was Marion Zimmer Bradley's "Mists of Avalon" which was written from Morgaine's POV.

I find that since I love the story so well, I mentally hold everyone else's stuff up to the high level she took it. And since then, everyone else has fallen short. It's the price you pay when you write something that there is so much to compare it to. A new author would have to simply kick *** for me to love it.

So I agree that looking at a different POV is worth exploring. I've not seen a book using, say, Gawain's POV or one of the other "Knights"... and wouldn't it be rather interesting to see the POV of Excalibur, the sword?

I maintain that the story can be done the traditional way... you can have Part I and Part II, without running them parallel on the page or requiring any flippy stuff. If you want to intersect one story with the other, do it in smaller segments... publishing gimmicks should never replace good writing, IMHO.


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Jeraliey, I've not read them, but they're now on my library list.

There is actually a series of books out there written from Galahad's POV--sort of.

It's called The Forever King series by Molly Cochran and Warren Murphy. The first book is called The Broken Sword, the next The Forever King, the last The Third Magic (which I haven't read yet--darned library doesn't have it). Very good books!


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Jack Whyte did an interesting take on the legend as well. I beleive the series was called the Camulod Chronicles. It spanned many years and was done in multiple POV's, changing from book to book. It was written more as historical fiction than fantasy, though. No magic.
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In my opinion, the best piece of modern Arthurian literature is the Pendragon series by Stephen Lawhead. It is the least well-known but by far the most fascinating. The author draws from Celtic, Atlantean, Roman and Christian cultures to create the most believable Arthurian tale I have read. If you have not read them, Dakota, I believe you would enjoy them. There are elements of "pagan" cultures but not to the degree found in the Avalon books. There is a heavy Christian influence as well, that you might find appealing. It is told from multiple POVs (including Merlin's at times) which I found delightful.
The books are titled:
Taliesin
Merlin
Arthur
Pendragon
If you do read them, let me know what you think.

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I've read a few of them but I found that in the middle I got a bit bogged down and they started to feel repetitive, so I stopped. But I loved Taliesin--combining the Atlantis legend with the Arthurian one is great!!!

I like Stephen Lawhead's other works as well. He has a great Celtic trilogy that starts in modern day England and involves time travel. The first one is called The Silver Hand. Cool concept of a modern bookworm turned ancient warrior hero.


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Have you tried David Gemmels Stones of Power trilogy? The first is Ghost King. It takes a strange slant at Arthur, though it take a while to figure that out. I really enjoyed it.

R


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The book flipping thing sounds like a fantastic idea to me. I like stories where you see multiple points of view and they add up to make a whole.
Go for it dood.
Dont know whether a printer would be able to produce it, but it sounds good.

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More books for my library list!

I've seen Lawhead's books, but haven't picked one up.

I DID read Whyte's books--all of them, except Uther. He had painted Uther as such a despicable creature in the other books that I had no desire to read an entire book just about him.


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