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Susannaj4
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I need to know the suffix for the following words and if they can be used as nouns:

Impurum
Nescio

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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pooka
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"Nescio" is almost certainly a verb, but it should have an infinitive form of "nescire" unless it's irregular. Actually to use it as a noun you probably need the participle, "nescitus". I don't have the faintest clue where my dictionary might be. Okay, I know where it is but it's kind of a closing scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark situation.

"Impurum"... I'm not familiar with. Any idea what these are supposed to mean? When you say use as a noun, is it in a Latin phrase? Because if they aren't in Latin anymore, you can pretty much do what you like.

I don't know if this will post. I might have tried to change my email and put in the wrong one for my normal user name.


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Susannaj4
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Impurum menas unclean, foul
and nescio means to fail to recognize.

I want to combine them to refer to a group of people who fail to recognize that they are now impure.


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I'd recommend the verb for becoming impure, which is aduterare (adulteratus, pl. adulterati). Yeah, I know that might be too much baggage on the way that sounds.
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Actually, nescio means "not to know" (from scio-to know), and it's use in this context would be rather clumsy, but anyway...

I'd go with "ignorantes impuritatum suarum" which means "[those] ignorant of their own impurity."


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It's too long, but thanks.
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Disclaimer: I don't know any Latin.

This is something others call them right? Maybe you could use the longer phrase for "formalities" and just use "ignorantes" as an informal reference.


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How about "nescii impurique" which is roughly "unaware and impure" to use the words you supplied.

Likewise, you could have "nescii impuritatum [suarum]", which means roughly the same as my previous suggestion.


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cool. Thanks.
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Susannaj4
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Could you explain to me how you figure out the proper suffixes? I mean I can look it up but it doesn't really help me. A plain explanation would be most welcome, if there is one.
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Well, there isn't much of a simple explanation. If you're just doing stuff like this, here's some basics:

For adjectives modifying a noun, you need to know the noun's gender and declension... but:
- In most cases if the noun begins in -us(m)/-a(f)/-um(n) and the adjective is given with ending -us, then change the adjective ending to the noun ending (ie- simia mala = evil monkey)
- if your noun/adjective needs to be possessive, change the ending to -i(m)/-ae(f)/-i(n) (ie- simia malae = monkey of evil)
- The adjective follows the noun
- plural is -i(m)/-ae(f)/-a(n)
- plural possessive is -orum(m)/-arum(f)/-orum(n)
- if your noun/adjective ends in -is, then possessive is the same
- plural of -is is -es(mf)/-(i)a(n)
- plural possessive of -is is -(i)um

For verbs, you need to know the conjugation to know the infinitive
- verbs ending in -io have infinitive -ire (ie- scio => scire (to know))
- verbs ending in -eo have infinitive -ere (ie- maneo => manere (to stay))
- verbs ending in -or have infinitives -i (ie- nascor => nasci (to be born))
- verbs in passive tense are as above

now, it's much more complicated than that, but that should serve as a good base. I could go on and on but you get the idea... I hope


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Just an idea... if you use something that is latinish, but inaccurate, it may turn off some readers (the 3 that know latin ). If you find doing some research for your writing to be fun, you could try and contact a local high school latin teacher. A fifteen minute discussion about some phrases you're looking for might solve what your after.
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I don't know, I took 4 years of Latin and couldn't decode Temet Nosce which was the plaque over the Oracle's kitchen in the Matrix.

I think Impura Nesciti might suit you better. Or Nesciti impura, depending on whether the impurity or the failure to realize it is more important. My memory of Latin's word order is a little shaky. I think it might go Verb Object Subject. I like the participle better than the infinitive, since it behaves like a noun which I think is was your original desire. "-que" means and, if you want to throw it in there. I'm working from the assumption that Impurum is a neuter singular nominative, so the plural would be Impura. I forget now whether it would be okay to make the ending of the participle match the ending of the noun.

In Arabic, they inflect the verbs for gender, and they have Single, dual and plural. It's a flippin' nightmare. And each verb can have up to 12 nonconcatenative "forms" that incorporate the ideas of mood, intensity, and agentivity. I think tense was something else. But it's amazing how much you can not learn in 3 years of college study. In everyday speech they just put the verb first so that none of the agreement applies


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