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ken_hawk
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im a beginning writer that is still in high school and i sometimes feel that maybe im not good enough as a writer to do this for a career. did any of you feel this way when u first started writing? i know that i am young and have a long time ahead of me to develope into a better writer, but sometimes i get discouraged to the point that i almost quit. despite all that i still keep writing simply because i love it. my classmates like my stories and read them in class and my short stories teacher says if i keep at this i may turn into something great...but anyways what keeps all of u going?
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An inability to quit, mostly.
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Ken,

While you are in high school now is the time to lay a strong foundation for your future. At this point, you are not supposed to have fully developed skills, your focus should be on gaining them. Some high school subjects train you for your vocation, while others train you for your edification. Right now you can't tell which will be which because can't know what your interests will be in ten, twenty, or thirty years. Now is the time to broaden you base of knowledge thereby increasing your choices of both vocation and edification.


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Ken, I'm a senior in high school right now, and I write. Granted, after I looked at my story after sophomore year I knew it sucked and so I rewrote it.

What makes a good author is for the author's ability to see if something is good or bad, not the readers. The author first and foremost has to be able to like his own thing. If your friends like your stuff its good. If they put you down use that as motivation to keep going.

Sometimes I feel inadequate too but then I remember I'm not 30 I'm 18.

- Jason


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Aalanya
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Sometimes I feel inadequate too but then I remember I'm not 30 I'm 18.

Not that you have to be perfect when you're 30 either. Writing isn't about age. Different people improve at different rates. Sometimes people have so many other things in life that any improvement at all is a big deal.

Very few people become great without many many hours of feeling not so great. Are you driven enough to keep writing regardless of how many mountains you have to climb before you can become great?


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When I wrote my first novel, I am soooo glad I didn't realize how awful it was.
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I'm nearly 50, and each week, each month I can see myself improving. I think to myself: Boy, what I wrote when I was 20 really sucked! Boy, what I wrote when I was 30 really sucked! Boy, what I wrote when i was 40 really sucked!

The point is, being a writer is an evolutionary process. The bad news is, you aren't as good now as you are going to be later. The good news is, you aren't as good now as you are going to be later.

Learn all you can. Not only about writing, but about LIFE. Feel your emotions. Do as Alan Cohen says and "dare your genius to walk the wild, unseen way." It's all fodder for your stories.


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It's the only thing I'm really good (enough) at (for which anyone would pay me) so I feel I'd better do it.
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Being a professional writer is kind of like seeing the big sports stars on TV.

I'd venture to guess that most writers need to have a "real" job outside of their writing. VERY few are able to do it and make enough to survive.

And don't let everybody telling you 'you're great' get to your head!


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Hee hee.

They say it takes a million words of writing to get any good at it. Which implies the first million aren't any good. Might as well get to writing!

Just be glad you're starting now. It's harder when you're older and realize the 18 year old (who did his million words) writes better than you do.


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Yeah--what everybody else has said is right. When I look back on my stuff that I wrote in high school a lot of it is really bad. I could certainly improve upon that now at age 46. Then again, some of the things I wrote were funny and good. The trick is, keeping the graph line going at a gradual upward slant instead of leveling off or a downward slant. To keep moving upward, keep writing, keep reading other great writer's work, attend workshops and join good critique groups. Other than that all I can say is use all the elbow grease you can find.
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I'm going to be a blockhead and call you out on your capitalization and spelling. I wasn't able to really appreciate what you wrote because you dressed it in slashed jeans and a wifebeater.
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What's a wifebeater? And don't tell me something I already know.

The question of being a "career" writer isn't a matter of being good at it. It's a question of whether you're willing to bear the economic burdan of doing a job that has many more applicants than openings. 99.9% of manuscripts never escape from the slushpile (okay I think that somebody said it was .7 or something...that's not the point). It's true that a lot of those manuscripts are submitted by "dabblers", people who have never really put any effort into becoming better writers. If you're willing to put in the effort to, say, type everything you submit to the public as though you were going to send it to an editor, then you're well ahead of those who are basically wasting the slush-readers' time. But not so far ahead that you can count on writing as a lucrative pursuit.

You can also sell out...or at least that was an option in the past. Card has said a thing or two about the dangers of "careerism" as it applies to writers. I wonder whether the information age is changing that or making it worse. But assuming that you want to write because you have something you want to say, it's probably a bad idea to count on everyone being willing to pay you for it. Yes, people do get paid for good writing, but it's not worth the effort. You should demand payment, as minimal proof that your writing is valued, but if you put the same amount of talent, skill and raw work into a conventional job, I should expect you to be making six figures easily (okay, so it isn't "easy", it's more "soul killing", the point is that you could get more money elsewhere). I don't think many other professions provide so little reward for the work.

Of course, it's better than a cup of hemlock...maybe.

If you're thinking of getting in it for the money...get out. I don't even care how talented you are, just get out now. You can make more money elsewhere. If you're in it because you have something to say...stick around, and don't worry too much about the money. It will just cause you trouble. Accept the payment you're due, the laborer is worth of his hire, after all. But the hire for writing sucks, and you'll be happier as a writer if you can accept that.

Sure, that's easy for a guy like me to say. I don't need the money, after all. That's why I can be a writer, though. If the money is going to be a real problem, you need to find something else to get by on. Come back to writing after you've made enough to retire. Or write nights and weekends. It's all good. But trying to live off of writing, it's like trying to feed yourself by marrying off your friends so you can get a seat at the wedding dinners.


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No matter where you are in your career you're never good enough, despite the fact that you're the best writer in the whole wide world.

Those of us who have managed to get something in print just have heads harder then the brick wall we keep hitting them against.


~Alethea


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Aalanya
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What's a wifebeater? And don't tell me something I already know.

Well... that's sorta tough if I don't know what you already know I assume you want to know what it is in reference to clothing, though.

A wifebeater is a slang term for a white tank top or muscle shirt generally worn as a man's undershirt. It's called a wifebeater because there tends to be a high correlation between men who wear that shirt on its own (without an overshirt) and men who beat their wives.


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No matter where you are in your career you're never good enough

That was something that struck me as interesting during Harlan Ellison's acceptance speech for his Grand Master award during the Nebulas. He says he is still learning and improving. it never ends.


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Survivor
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Huh. You know, I'm curious about the statistics behind that correlation. Or is it one of those "as represented in popular culture" kinds of correlations?
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Aalanya
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"As represented in popular culture" probably sums it up.
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"As represented by the show Cops" is more like it.


And Ken, just write what you love and submit what you write. Even if you don't make a dime at this you can still be happy doing it.

[This message has been edited by Pyre Dynasty (edited May 16, 2006).]


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I'm not in writing for the money. If I were then I would have quite a long time ago. I just keep at it cause I enjoy it, even though most of what I write has a small chance of being printed. I'm writing an article for my local newspaper about my experience with going through the Gulf Coast after the hurricanes, I was there this past Christmas. Anyway I realized most newspapers here in Kansas don't say how the young people here view the situation in the Gulf because they haven't seen it with their own eyes. I just thought since I have seen it personally maybe I could help people my age understand what it is really like there and how bad it really is. It's my way of trying to help the people of the area and I thought it was a story worth telling. If it does get put into the paper it will be my first thing in print. I hope it gets in!
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Then that's what keeps you going.
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Sometimes I feel inadequate too but then I remember I'm not 30 I'm 18.

Hey! I'm 30! Chronologically at least.

If any older writer ever needs some inspiration, then read up about David Eddings. He started writing at 15 and didn't publish his first novel until he was 45. Now his 75 or 76 and about to release a new novel this year.

http://www.sffworld.com/interview/170p0.html

As for what keeps me going? I just enjoy it. I have dozens of stories floating around inside my head and I want to let them out. Every time I do, more pop up to fill the void. SO back I go to writing. I recently started getting serious enough to learn how to write well enough to attempt publication. Maybe I will succeed, maybe I won't. Either way, I'll keep on learning and writing, because that's what I like to do.

Jammrock


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I have some good news. My county newspaper read the article I wrote and will be printing it May 25th. The editor actually had to call me to confirm that I had written the article because he said it was so well written that he thought it could have come from a college graduate and was suprised that a high school kid had written it. That's got to to the best compliament I've ever received about my writing. It's not a huge victory since it is a county newspaper, but I have my name in print. At least it's a start!
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Congratulations! It's no small thing to have someone else recognize your writing abilities. You might offer to write something else for them. Small town newspapers are often grateful for the "guest" columnist or photographer. It allows them some variety, and anything with local flavor goes over well. Having several published articles under your belt is not only good for your resume, but for your confidence. Plus, in small towns, it helps you network other connections.
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Elan is completely right. Get a writing job wherever you can.

My first official gig as a "real" writer was a bimonthly book review column in a local free press. Since the tiny paper contained mostly Classified ads I was convinced no one read it, so I let loose and had a bit of fun. It was less of a book review column and more of a blog, really. But it taught me to write concisely, and to a deadline (which I only missed twice in two years).

All the things it taught me writing-wise were invaluable. I can't say it helped hugely with networking...but it was nice to have folks at work come up to me occasionally and say, "I read your review!" and see that they were as proud of it as I was. The daughter of one associate read a review of mine outloud in front of her English class.

In high school, my friends and family loved what I wrote too...only I made horrible marks in English, and was discouraged by my parents to pursue writing as a career (I majored in Chemistry and now buy books for a major wholesaler). But the madness picked me...and look where I am now.

(actually...look next week, after my revamped website goes live).


~Alethea


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...and CONGRATS!

(sorry...didn't get much sleep last night.)


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ken_hawk
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Thanks everyone. I've read many different posts on this forum and I try to incorporate the things I learn here into everything that I write. I've learned a lot from everyone here and I appreciate everyone's help. Thanks!
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Good job, live the dream.
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majored in Chemistry

Lee, you will find that to be a great rsource to draw upon down the road.


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Sorry I was so hard on you at first, you've done more than I ever have in actually sending something in to someplace.
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Congratulations, Ken!
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Thanks again everyone. The editor of the newspaper just sent me another email saying how he was impressed with my writing and that I should considering doing it as a career. He also said he'd like me to write other things for the paper too. It isn't a paying job but at least I get exposure. The editor of the newspaper is also the owner of the paper and he used to be an editor for another paper in Kansas City. So, maybe I can network like Elan suggested. And don't worry Pooka, I didn't take what u said about my capitalization and puncuation to be a personal attack on me or anything. Who knows? Maybe i will be able to do something with my writing after all. I hope to see my name in print more often! Hehe.

[This message has been edited by ken_hawk (edited May 21, 2006).]


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I live in a small town and used to sell advertising for the local newspaper. I've moved on to a different job, but my friendships with the editor and reporters are still in tact. I've had my articles published, too. I could probably get them to publish more, but as my goal hasn't been newspaper journalism, I've not pushed it.

However, the relationship has come in handy. The editor knows EVERYone in town and has suggested several good business connections for me.

It's a major advantage living in a small town, over a large. It's far easier to have a broader sphere of influence with your creative endeavors, as the "pool of available writers" is limited. Small town newspaper editors are grateful to find someone with talent, and you'll be able to get a fist full of published articles to put on your resume.


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