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Greenscreen
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So I have a question. I am aware of the forums position on Fan Fics, however I am also aware that Goerge Lucas does indeed publish star wars sories written by various authors. One such example is Timothy Zahn, who has written a number of amazing works set in the SW universe. So my question is if I wrote a story set in the Star Wars Universe, but created my own characters within the timeline of star wars would that be okay? I would of course need to get Lucas approval to publish it, but I can write it, no? And can I ask for help with my writing here?
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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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You can write it, but Lucas more or less commissions books set in his universe.

And only if he has commissioned you to write something could you work on it here. It's copyrighted stuff, and we don't do that here.


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Greenscreen
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So to do so, I have to first get a commision from George Lucas to do so? Considering I'm a newbie I probably wouldn't be very likely to get a commision from Lucas, no?
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I'd say it's unlikely. I suspect you have to be on a first-name basis with George.

But meanwhile, if you're compelled to write a certain kind of story, write it. We don't do fan fiction here at all, so it's not the kind of thing Hatrackers could help you with, but as a writer, I find it's pretty important to follow my writer urges, if for no other reason than when I feel strongly about a particular story, I am more motivated to clear my schedule and actually write it. It's the things I'm wishy-washy about that never get finished (or written down in the first place.)

As many famous authors have said before - writers write.

Good luck! And meanwhile, find another idea that you can write a short story about and use the expertise here to help you hone aspects of the craft.


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So you think I should go ahead and write this SW idea as my main project for now, even if I never publish it and only really show it to my close personal friends (or broader spectrum of friends) and enjoy writing it while I can.
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I'm with KayTi.

Writing Fan Fiction may not be the best thing you can do. But... Who cares? Write what you want to write. It might not get published, but if your only reason for writing is being published, then you're probably not having much fun with it anyway.

I think Fan Fiction can be a great writing exercise. But I also think it can make people lazy, if they never write anything else.

But seriously. Write what you want to write. You never know where your own stories will take you. Hell, you might even end up making your own world in trying to follow in someone else's.


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In what I've seen, only established writers are asked to write tie-in novels - TV, movies, etc. Timothy Zahn, for example has been around for awhile and was established before he wrote in the SW world.

On writing the story - is it the characters, universe, plot that you want? The characters are pretty standard fare for fantasy. You could easily base another "reluctant messiah" on Luke to start with. But your character will change as you grow him through the story.

Try writing the story with different names and see if it remains in the SW universe. If it differs enough - you've got something new. If it doesn't change, then like people have said - it's just for your entertainment.

But if you are a novice writer and it helps you write a story beginning to end, then it's a worthwhile exercise. One of the first stories I wrote involved Dr. Who in the Star Trek universe. And I discovered you should only have one hero in a story. It'll never come out of the closet, but it taught me a lot.


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Bah you mean all that junk that has saturated the sci-fi/fantasy rack at the library was commissioned?

Jeeze...

There really is no hope for him is there?


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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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Yes, Zero. Lucas's people contacted the publishers who invited some of their writers to write the "junk."
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Some of those writers, by the way, are very very good writers. Dave Wolverton is one of the best writers around. I don't know how they knew who M. Shayne Bell was to have him do some short stories, but good for them.

I don't read Star Wars novels -- nothing against them, I just was never able to get into it -- but I don't find anything objectionable about the fact that they exist. If they're putting money into the pockets of some of these truly excellent writers so they can keep writing stuff I do like to read, I hope the books keep coming out forever.


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And to further Troy's post, if they're putting genre fiction out there that is getting kids (boys in particular) to read more, read into the sci-fi genre, maybe even pick up a bit of fantasy along the way, better for all of us, right?

So, cool for that.


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I'm sure there is a good stuff there, maybe even a lot of it. But there is more than enough garbage too. For example: "The courtship of princes leia.."

I saw that at the library the other day. Read the blurb. Sounded completely stupid. Just calling it as it is.

[This message has been edited by Zero (edited February 03, 2009).]


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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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Okay, no "reviewing" or critiquing books we haven't read.

If you want to critique a blurb, that's one thing, but if you haven't read the book, you can't say much about it.


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I've been writing a fan fiction for the past six months. It's not Star Wars fan fiction but still I thought I should write this here than to begin my own thread.

One of the reasons I'm writing a fanfic (something I abhored to do before) is that I don't have to waste time and energy to create a world and can concentrate on the characters and story. I'm good at creating worlds; my problem is characterization. I've used some characters from the official story but none of them are in the lead spot.

Also, writing this fanfic gives me time to work on my writing skills so when I get back to my own stuff, I will be better at it than before. Especially since I've never written in English before and this fanfic gives me the opportunity to do so. My English has improved tremendously in the meantime.

I'm posting the fanfic in the propper forum where people know exactly how the scenery and background looks. The problem is that this story of mine has become so gripping (to me, at least) I would like for other people to read it. But that's the downside of a fanfic - only fans read it and understand what is happening. A person who has never seen Star Wars would have difficulty reading a fanfic of that.


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Robert Nowall
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I've done a bunch of fanfic, and may yet do some again---but not right now.

One major factor in my decision to write fanfiction was the constant rejection of my regular work. If I wasn't going to get published and / or paid...well, I might as well have some fun with writing.

I think it paid off for me, but not in money. I got more response, and more feedback, on the hundred-thousand or so words of fanfic I sent out, than the million-five-plus words of regular stuff I'd written. I still get the occasional e-mail about what I'd written. [I haven't been brought up on charges of copyright infringement, at least not yet.]


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You can write fanfic, but I wouldn't ever expect it to be professionally published, regardless of quality. If you wrote a story, and sent it to the publisher they probably will send it back unopened for legal reasons.

For example, let's say I write a story where Han Solo becomes emperor and starts destroying planets for fun. I send it to Lucas (or whatever), they open it, read it, reject it. Then 10 years down the line a totally different "authorized" writer writes a story about Hano Solo becoming emperor. I try to sue them because they "stole" my idea.

The more likely scenario is that the publisher would send it back unopened. That way they are legally clear of any acts of copyright infringement.

I read this scenario somewhere, I think it was one of the SFWA "advice for writers" pages.

Also, for big universes like Star Wars I think they have huge continuity graphs and a random fan's story is not likely to fit into them.

I haven't read any Star Wars novels since I was in my early teens, but I remember enjoying them very much, particularly ones by Timothy Zahn about Admiral Thrawn, and a short story collection called "Tales of the Bounty Hunters" which included stories by Dave Wolverton and Robert J. Anderson. I intend to reread them sometime to see how they measure up to my current tastes.


However, if your goal of writing such a story is not pro publication, have at it! You can get writing practice and share with your friends.


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But meanwhile, if you're compelled to write a certain kind of story, write it. We don't do fan fiction here at all, so it's not the kind of thing Hatrackers could help you with,


No...its the kind of thing you can't post on Hatrack. Thats not the same thing. A person can still privately ask people here for private critiques and feedback.


However especially in the case of Star Wars its unlikely to go anywhere. I could see somebody getting in contact with, say, Stephen King and getting permission to write a story in the Dark Tower universe, same for some other writers with multi-work characters and worlds...but George Lucas is very protective of his franchise. As is probably the case with most movie-and-TV franchises.


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If you want to write something in the vein of Star Wars without using Lucas's timeline or characters check out the "Hero's Journey."

Lucas used the "monomyth" to outline his story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hero_with_a_Thousand_Faces


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Zero, I detest some of the Star Wars novels, yet a few are among my favorites, including The Courtship of Princess Leia, which I read several times as a child. I own a copy, so I read it again a few months ago; I still enjoy the story, and I admire how Wolverton progressed the action.

As far as I know, blurbs are written by someone other than the author. Next time, you might want to choose a page at random to read instead of relying on the blurb.


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Something about Han Solo winning a planet in a game of poker and taking-over Leia with something called a "Hapan gun of command" ... I dunno... whatever you say, I guess.
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Here's a link to an article about this subject on the SFWA site titled "Media Tie-ins: Why They are Nearly Impossible for Beginners to Publish"
http://www.sfwa.org/writing/media.htm

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Oh, Zero, you'll miss out on experiencing C-3PO's singing, meeting an immodest warrior princess who rides around on large reptiles and ties men up to claim them as slaves, and learning animals and plants will sacrifice themselves for Luke Skywalker. The plot is far-fetched (ha! far-fetched), but the point is the romantic tension.

Seriously, I know some here and everywhere might hate the book if they read it. That doesn't change my opinion that books are best judged by their content, not their blurbs.


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You're right about two things. Books deserve more than just a glance at the blurb, and the point of a story is to be enjoyed regardless of how far-fetched it is, that's why Fantasy exists as a genre. And one that may be my favorite.

Mostly I was just trying to "get your goat" as my dad used to say.


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I have had a lot of friends hone their craft while writing fan fiction. For (writerly) exercise or for fun, fan fiction has been worth it to them, though I myself have not tried my hand at it.

As for writing in the Star Wars universe, many of the best books did not have to be Star Wars books. I mean that while there were some characters that crossed over from the movies to literature, and occasionaly some of the larger mythology or history was relevant (the force, galactic rebellion, etc.) many times the characters (or at least characterizations) were wholly original. My mind goes to the later X-wing series with Wraith Squadron, which could have easily been about any scfi fighter pilot groups. Especially Star Fighters of Adumar, which feels like an original scifi creation transplanted into the Star Wars universe and remains one of my favorite scifi novels to this day.

My point? As others have mentioned, I would take a look at your idea and ask yourself if it has to be a Star Wars book or if your idea can stand on its own with a little world creation and reworking of characters.


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Thanks everyone! Now I just need to fix my computer, Vista has crashed it. Grrrr.
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Go figure.
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