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SavantIdiot
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I am wondering.


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philocinemas
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First person is actually a more difficult form in which to write and is best attempted by more experience writers. The reason is that first person can be a bit of a crutch and there are often more ways of tripping it up. I don't mean to be cryptic, but there are many others here who could better explain why this is.
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MartinV
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With 1st person POV you are limited to your protagonist's knowledge and location, meaning you can have difficulty revealing events that were not seen by him/her. Some people use multiple 1st person POV's to breach that gap, others develop a story in a way that still makes it interesting to read.
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I have never tried to write first person, but I have heard that it is difficult to keep the first person POV from becoming annoying. This is because the narration has to be done in the POV character's voice.

I read a book with first person POV in which the POV character was kick butt and sarcastic. I really liked the character, but got really tired of all the snarky comments in the narration. If the book was written in third person, I would have enjoyed it more.

I think there is a fine balance in writing first person to keep the voice of the POV character without over doing it.


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Robert Nowall
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I wouldn't recommend it, at least until you've got some writing under your belt (i. e., you've practiced writing for a while).

If you've started out with a first person, you might try translaing it into third person, just to see if it works.

(Me, my most recent finished stuff was first person, actually. I've got a lotta years of writing done (no sales, but a lot of writing). One I tried out for five or six pages in third person, but it didn't work and I changed it 'round...the others just fell into first person without much thought.)


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Meredith
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As I recall from OSC's book on Character and Viewpoint, first person POV is more difficult to get right.

There are a couple of pitfalls.

First, if the first person character starts talking about all the great stuff he's done (presumably your hero is going to do some great stuff), he comes off as being arrogant or conceited. That's why the Sherlock Holmes stories, while written in first person, were from Watson's POV, not Sherlock's.

Second, we, the readers, know that however bad things get, obviously the hero survives. He's telling the story.

Third, the narrator/protagonist knows how this story is going to end. You have to be careful to avoid appearing to withhold vital facts from the reader--things the protagonist wouldn't have known at the time, but does now.

If you want an example of it done well, pick up THE NAME OF THE WIND, by Patrick Rothfuss. Most of the story is told as the protagonist dictating his memoirs. There are so many reasons why that story shouldn't work. And yet it does and here I sit waiting for the second book.


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All that being said I would note that at present a lot of trends are toward a very deeply immersed 3rd person POV that some times can almost feel like 1st person. Thats not universal at all, but in many of my own rejection letters editors have spoken of wanting to be "in the head" of the character, even when it isn't first person.


Not disagreeing at all with whats been posted here, just adding something I think may be relevent overall.


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Kitti
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OSC also mentions that your 1st person narrator has to be the kind of person who WOULD tell his/her story. Think about some of the threads down in the Character Interview session; some of those characters are great, but they don't want to tell their story outright - which would make for a lousy 1st person narrator.
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genevive42
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I agree with what everyone has said about the challenges of first person. However, you don't know if you don't try. I don't think you should or shouldn't try something because it may be too hard. Maybe you're someone who will really take to the first person format.

I recommend choosing the pov based on what you think the story needs more than what you think your skill level is.

What's the worst that happens? The story doesn't come out good and you have to rewrite it. You've still learned from the experience and you'll be better prepared next time you want to try it.


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MartinV
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I'm planning/writing a 1st person POV story right now. I use the awkward situation of my narrator knowing the details unknown to other characters as a personal curse to her.
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Kitti
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I think we've all answered the question along the same lines - 1st person POV is actually harder than 3rd - but I agree that no one should shy away from 1st person just because of the difficulty. There are sometimes really good reasons to use it. Just in one example, there are certain genre expectations to take into account when you're picking POV. You'll find a lot more 1st person in, say, urban fantasy or noire (did I spell that right?) writing than you'll find in the sweeping epic fantasy.

I'd recommend maybe reading a few books (e.g. Characters and Viewpoint) to get a feel for the common pitfalls of 1st person, especially tense shifts and POV violations. Once you know how to write it well, and what its advantages/disadvantages are, then the issue becomes whether you should use it for any particular story, instead of whether it's harder to write than 3rd person.


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In writing first person, the difficulty is maintaining the character and giving sufficient color to the other characters. I started a 1st POV novel and got to 30,000 words. I gave it to some friends and family to read. Universally, they couldn't get into the main character and wanted to associate with a couple of the other characters but felt they weren't dimensional enough.

As it reviewed their comments, I realized that part (only part ) of the problem was the 1st POV. The novel is sitting in WIP for a rewrite some day in close 3rd.

I find it significantly easier to write a short story in 1st. But the longer the story the harder it is to get the reader into the scene. Robust descriptive language is hard for me to inject into a 1st person narration, but easy in 3rd.

So, in my opinion, if a new author wants to try 1st person start writing shorter stories and move up. Tackling a novel may result in difficulties with POV and description.

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In my experience, many new writers start with first person. I don't know why - is it because it seems easier to tell a story as if it happened to you?

However, as others have pointed out, it can be difficult to write a good story in first person. It's very easy to slip out of first and write something in third. But the same can be said for third - it's very easy to slip and talk about something that the POV character wouldn't know. Omni gets away from this concern, but omni is really not done much these days and I find it too distant - books written in omni don't have that same strong connection for me.

Point of View, in my opinion, is one of the more difficult writing skills to master.

My primary suggestion on choosing POV is to choose the right solution for your story. I have read many stories where the author makes the wrong choice - they choose a POV that then they struggle against the whole time, or they choose to write in first, but have to do all sorts of flashbacks and other contrived devices to give us more information that is necessary for the story.

Don't get me wrong, some authors do this well, extremely well, but many don't.

Best of luck to you no matter what POV you choose!


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In my opinion, each story has its own way of being told. You should only use first person if you want deep-penetration. I you want to show the narrator, physically, it's best to use third person or omniscient. Remember, everything in first person is shaded by the narrator's opinions--even his or her own reflection--and narration is the narrator's thought. I heard, I smelled, I saw, I tasted, and I felt are all obliterated. When he or she mentions what's described, it could only be as he or she felt, heard, saw, smelled, or tasted.
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extrinsic
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A first-person narrator potentially combines many character roles in a story. In the point of view department, narrative point of view, character point of view, and viewpoint character, especially from a story's tone (attitude of a narrator toward a story's theme). In focal character roles, narrator, protagonist, hero, and main character. That's a lot to ask for from a single character, perhaps too much for many stories.

Also, a first-person narrator potentially might affect reader immersion by either reader identification or reader alienation with a narrator as a reader surrogate transference for an author surrogate.

The surrogacy issues I see in my reading of first-person narrator stories, or any narrative point of view, are those of wish fulfillment, and "self" insertions of a writer into focal character roles and attitudes of a narrator to the point of detriments to a story. Self-efficacy, self-idealization, self-worth, self-esteem, etc., narrator features in a story can contribute or detract to reader resonance, immerse or alienate readers. A primary intersection of all author surrogacy, point of view and viewpoint, and focal character roles might appeal to one target audience, alienate another, largely dependent on reading comprehension skills and audience preferences.

Taking all those factors into consideration, first-person narrator stories that appeal to readers can be more challenging to write. But if well-constructed, they can also be easier to relate to for readers. As in all story attributes, audience targeting is a paramount consideration for narrative point of view choices.

Myself, regardless of narrative point of view, I don't care for focal characters with inordinate levels of self-efficacy, especially ones where author surrogate self-idealization overwhelms real-life imitation, plausibility, and authenticity. An inordinately high or low level of self-efficacy diminishes a story's potential tension, both in empathy and suspense, and antagonism and believeability.


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SavantIdiot
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You guys are fabulous. I really, really appreciate your comments. I just started writing in the third person and then wondered if that was the best choice. I actually am working my way through OSC's Character & Viewpoints and enjoying it enormously. The problem is I read a chapter, get excited, and then run to my manuscript for a few days.

He suggests we start a Bible (eek, okay, bible) to keep track of things and I think that's a very good idea. Does anyone have a good idea of how to keep track of little things?

I have an excel document now with all the characters, including age, name, work, place of residence and anything else of note about them (cranky, etc.)

I am not sure how to put in ideas for this or that which is not linked directly to a character.


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While agreeing with what has been said. If you are really struggling what POV to use then try writing a page of your story one way and then write it the other way.

My bible method is HTML, that way I can network the information. For example I have a list of names like you but I make each name a link to a whole bio of that character. You can have all sorts of pages for all the sorts of info you need to remember.

(MartinV that story sounds like a Cassandra myth, if you don't know who that is look her up, she's greek.)


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I'm not sure I agree with the idea that first person is harder to write. Getting the character "right" and maintaining a unique voice *is* of critical importance, but I don't see how it's any more difficult than third person. I will say, that there does seem to be a definite push in Urban Fantasy and Paranormal Romance toward first person narratives and close third person. The person upthread who mentioned using the POV that bests suits the story hit the nail on the head: Use the style best suited to the story you're telling.
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I would say it's the other way around. Writing well in first person is more difficult.

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First person narrative imposes certain disciplines on a story, but isn't necessarily any harder than any other POV (arguably, the "hardest" POV to write in is second person, which CAN be done but is extremely hard to do well - and having a narrator address the reader is NOT second person, second person is when the addressed reader IS the protagonist).

A first person POV necessarily means that EVERYTHING that happens in the story must be witnessed by the MC. Key events that the MC doesn't experience have to be handled through dialogue or reportage and that's very trcky to do well. So if you are writing a story in which your MC is the focus then first person is an option. If you are writing a story that involves multiple plots and threads and lots of actions that the MC is removed from, it's a lot harder to do.

I tend to think that for this reason there are a lot more first-person short sories around than there are novels (I speak as someone who has written a 200,000-word novel in the first person).


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MAP
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Sorry about wondering off topic, but does anyone remember the CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE series. Second person POV worked well in those books. I thought they were so much fun when I was a kid.
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There are several methods of second person narrative point of view that generally relate to subjective tones. A reflexive tone is generally more palatable than an imperative or implied imperative tone. The principal feature of reflexive tone addresses the self, yes, the narrator as protagonist. Yet imperative tone is not all that uncommon either, though more palatable in an implied manner. The obiviative form of second person is also a commonly used tone, often auxilliary, sometimes more palatable than a reflexive tone, where you is used as an impersonal pronoun in third person narrative in a way akin to the royal we of first person singular.

Second person tones are also common in character points of view in otherwise primary third person narrative point of view. And naturally, often in a viewpoint character's thoughts and conversation.

Examples;

Reflexive: In your waking day, your dreams, your private life, you narrate your meager existence like a movie voiceover. The public world doesn't know you, your deep waters, your judgment of their indifference, their emotionally indifferent hostility toward you.

Implied imperative: Take in the home of a young, attentative fishwife, the unkempt dusty floor of her hovel, the nauseous smells of decayed fish essence saturated into the dirt floor, the otherwise tidy kitchen countertop, and the neatly madeup trundle bed and well-organized makeup counter on her vanity dresser.

Obviative: You're familiar with how it goes, you walk out to the mailbox every day, and every day there's only bills and advertising circulars, never the check you've been waiting for for days without hope.


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