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thayeller
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I don't mind critique. I would buy a red pen for you if I could.

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Amber's breath fogged the window pane as the night air chilled the glass. Her waist long hair was pulled back away from her cherubic face as she intensely examined the foggy canvas she had created. She began to design a medieval landscape, with a castle tower, rudimentary dragon, and herself as a princess with a heavily jeweled crown all drawn in stick figure style.

Amber watched as a freshly washed year old silver sedan pulled up into the driveway next to a red rusty Oldsmobile. A few moments later she called upon her brother, who sat on the couch, only a few feet away from the window. "Mom’s home." She stated, and then jumped off the chair and left the room. She ran enthusiastically up the stairs and left the nearly

I worked on conciseness. How is POV here? Is it distracting to make the brother the emphasis?

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Persephone's breath fogged the window pane. She pulled her long hair back away from her face as she intensely examined the foggy canvas she had created. She drew a medieval landscape, with a castle tower, rudimentary dragon, and herself as a princess with a heavily jeweled crown all drawn in stick figure style with her fingers.

A clean silver sedan pulled up into the driveway next to a red, rusty Oldsmobile. She whispered, “Mom’s home,” and jumped off her bed. She darted down the stairs and abandoned the evaporating art on the window. She got to the doorway of the family room, where her brother sat in front of the television, when the car door slammed.

"Crap!" Eric exclaimed. He bent forward so he could see into

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Amber's breath fogged the window pane as the night air chilled the glass. Her waist long hair was pulled back away from her cherubic [I don’t like using the word cherubic here. Are you trying to get across that she is childlike and innocent (not really needed the rest of the text shows that) or that she is chubby (in which case you should be more specific)] face as she intensely examined the foggy canvas she had created. She began to design a medieval landscape, with a castle tower, rudimentary dragon, and herself as a princess with a heavily jeweled crown all drawn in stick figure style.
Amber watched as a freshly washed year old silver sedan pulled up into the driveway next to a red rusty Oldsmobile. A few moments later she called upon her brother, who sat on the couch, only a few feet away from the window. [This whole sentence doesn’t really work for me, why would she wait a few moments when she is obviously excited to see her? The phrase ‘called upon her brother’ I don’t like at all. "Mom’s home." She stated,[I would get rid of she stated it adds nothing, there is no doubt who is talking, and as a rule I would use ‘said’ in most situations. She stated sounds very cold.] and then jumped off the chair and left the room. She ran enthusiastically [I would lose the adverb enthusiastically and try for a stronger verb (scampered, bounded, bolted, bounced etc.)] up the stairs and left the nearly dissipated piece of art on the window.
Jordan heard the car door shut. [is Jordan the brother mentioned above? If so why does he respond to a car door but not to his sisters who is few feet away?] "Crap!" He [‘he’ no capital] exclaimed, as he shifted his body slightly.[Why are we being told he shifted?] He had lost track of time as he mindlessly watched television and repetitively bounced a small ball filled with beads, with the heel of his foot. [Is it significant that he was bouncing a ball? If this to further illustrate that he was wasting time I would chop it.] He was supposed to put the frozen chicken casserole in the oven; [I would chop everything from here down, it doesn’t add anything.] his mom had made the dinner the night before and called him two hours earlier to remind him that he needed to cook the pre-prepared meal. He had taken it out of the freezer but only set it on the counter, a partial attempt.

I like your first paragraph and would want to find out more about Amber.


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I was actually testing posting as well so you reviewed a bit more. I was using cherubic to convey innocence. I have often been told to "show not tell" so I was trying to be detailed. But I don't want arbitrary description either.

"Amber's breath fogged the window pane as the night air chilled the glass. Her waist long hair was pulled back away from her face as she intensely examined the foggy canvas she had created. She began to design a medieval landscape, with a castle tower, rudimentary dragon, and herself as a princess with a heavily jeweled crown all drawn in stick figure style.

Amber watched as a freshly washed year old silver sedan pulled up into the driveway next to a red rusty Oldsmobile. She instantly told her brother who sat on the couch, “Mom’s home,” and then jumped off the chair and darted up the stairs and left the nearly "

here's my question, does it sound like she wants to get away from her mom when she runs up the stairs? What I want to convey is that she is easily bored.

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here's my question, does it sound like she wants to get away from her mom when she runs up the stairs? What I want to convey is that she is easily bored.

I thought she was running up the stairs to see her mom, I was thinking the house was a split level or raised ranch. Why would you run enthusiastically away from someone?


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I always visualized her just telling her brother that their mom was home, being bored with the picture drew and leaving the room - not really enthusiastically toward her mom but actually up the stairs to her room she always has lots of energy and runs excitedly around the house.

Thanks - this has been helpful - I usually struggle with characters motivation for some of the stuff they do. In this scene hers doesn't work. I will have to fix it.


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Hi Thayeller,

I think you did a great job setting up the character of Amber. Here are a few a problems and questions I had.

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Amber watched as a freshly washed year old silver sedan pulled up into the driveway next to a red rusty Oldsmobile.

It is night. How would Amber see that the car is silver or notice that it was freshly washed? Are these details really important? All she would see is headlights and a vague outline of a car, but that would be enough for her to know that her mother is home.

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What I want to convey is that she is easily bored.

I think you need to show why she was distracted. Maybe she sees the family pet or wants to find her favorite toy. How you have it with her running upstairs with no clear reason is odd, unless you mean for her to be odd.

I also wonder why Amber is so easily distracted from the arrival of her mom. My experience with very young children is that the reunion with their parents, particularly the primary caregiver, is really important to them and that they are not easily distracted from it. Are you trying to convey that Amber is not a normal child or that there is a strain in her relationship with her mother? Or maybe I think Amber is younger than she is.

Hope this helps.

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MAP -

Yeah it did. Thanks.

Its actually about 6 so its still light out -just doesn't show that part in the lines I have shared. The car being cleaned is not really important, but it comes into play in a very minor way, possible unnecessary. But since I am usually too sparse on details I was trying to be extra detailed. Luckily these can also be edited out if useless.

Thanks for the suggestions. I need her to be distracted more, its a character trait. She is probably older than you think she is, but that is on purpose. She acts younger than she is by a few years. I don't want her to be odd per say but she doesn't act normal for her age. I am trying to revise that scene a bit with more clear motivations.

I am pretty glad I decided to join. Its nice to see new perspectives.


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Amber's breath fogged the window pane as the night air chilled the glass. Her waist long hair was pulled back away from her face as she intensely examined the foggy canvas she had created. She began to design a medieval landscape, with a castle tower, rudimentary dragon, and herself as a princess with a heavily jeweled crown all drawn in stick figure style.

Through her bedroom window she watched as a freshly washed year old silver sedan pulled up into the driveway next to a red rusty Oldsmobile. She whispered, “Mom’s home,” and jumped off of her bed. She darted down the stairs and left the nearly dissipated piece of art on the window. She got to the doorway of the family room, where her brother sat as he watched

this is the newest revision. I decided the Amber running up stairs wasn't important and perhaps this way of her running to her mom makes more sense.

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Yes, this is better.
Amber's breath fogged the window pane as the night air chilled the glass. [I would dump the 'as the night air..the glass'. If it were not cool outside, the glass wouldn't fog.] Her waist long hair was pulled back away from her face as she intensely examined the foggy canvas she had created. [I would have her hair wrap around her hand and get in her way to conveigh length AND her distractibility at the same time. Something about baldly stating her 'waist length hair' bothers me.] She began to design a medieval landscape, with a castle tower, rudimentary dragon, and herself as a princess with a heavily jeweled crown all drawn in stick figure style. [Love this part.]
Through her bedroom window [I would dump the 'through her bedroom window' - we know she is looking through a window already] she watched as a freshly washed year old silver sedan pulled up into the driveway next to a ['a'? whose is it? a mystery car in her driveway? use 'the'] red rusty Oldsmobile. She whispered, “Mom’s home,” and jumped off of her bed. She darted down the stairs and left the nearly dissipated [you can do better than dissipated here] piece of art on the window. She got to the doorway of the family room, where her brother sat as he watched

looks good!


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Thanks for your insight.

The red car is her brother's car and they eventually go on a adventure in it. So that's why i mentioned it, but again, I think I focused on the details too much. It could be said in a more concise way. Thanks for pointing that out.


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I apologize for using "I would". It is not allowed and I do see why. I registered here maybe a year ago and then never posted and forgot the rules. But we'll look forward to seeing Amber flit around!
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Oh its cool. Thanks for the suggestions.

Amber is kind of hard for me to describe sometimes. My next goal is balancing her super sweet persona with her tendency to annoy some people.


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I don't think annoying some people is a contrast with a super sweet persona. Anyone who is sweeter/kinder or a better person but who is not a subordinate is GOING to annoy the people who are less so. A sweet 'child' or 'puppy' is not annoying because we can tell ourselves they are less than we are. A sweet adult who is not otherwise handicapped may make those of us who are less 'sweet' look 'bad' to ourselves. If you replace 'sweet' with 'good'.

Plus, it's a great way to introduce humor and/or tension.


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Good point about the sweetness factor.

I have a random question. Have you, anyone, heard of the kid game Sardines which is Hide n seek in reverse? I wonder because I haven't really heard of it outside of where I live and I don't want to put a local kid game in my novel. I just wonder if it has different names.


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I've heard of it, in fact my nieces and nephews were playing it a while ago.

As long as you make the rules clear, you can use any game whether anyone anywhere actually plays it or not (consider J. K. Rowling's quidditch).


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we play it here in tasmania
and also when we were boyscouts

is that far enough away not to be local?


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Yep. Thanks. I just hadn't seen it used on TV that I recall. Good point about the rules. I suppose I can't assume people know what it is even if its played by lots of people. Rules still need to be stated.
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Take my advice with spicy jalapenos. Hmm, does that metaphor work? Okay, I'm going to get serious now.

It took me a few times to realize she was drawing on the window. Foggy canvas didn't register at first. Perhaps, instead of she began to design, you can say. She drew on the glass with a finger.

I am almost wondering if it would work better if you got right into it. Amber breathed on the window pane, fogging it up, and drew on the foggy canvas with a finger.

You used three "as" clauses. I might change one of them.

The second sentence doesn't work IMO. The first clause tells us the state of her hair. The second clause tells us what Amber is doing. Connecting these with an "as" makes no sense because how can the state of her hair being doing something while Amber is doing something else?

You could write: She pulled her long hair back away from her face as she intensely examined the foggy canvas she had created.

"freshly washed, year-old, silver sedan," is a mouthful.

Perhaps you could choose what is most important, or restructure the information.

. . . she watched as a clean, silver sedan pulled . . .
. . . she watched as a year-old, silver sedan that was freshly washed pulled . . .

I prefer the first. Clean is pretty much the same as freshly washed. Year-old doesn't seem important.

I would place a comma between red and rusty.

You could remove "of" from "jumped off of" without changing the meaning.

I think it's a good opening. It tells us a lot about Amber that we have to infer, which is how it should be. ļ

You might want to watch for how often you use the word "as" to connect clauses.

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Revised version posted in first post.


Architectus

Good points. I know I like to use as, a lot. I didn't realize how much I had use it.

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I like the rewrite.

I had no problems while reading it. It all made perfect sense and painted a nice image in my mind. The only thing I think it's missing is the night-time part. I would try to addd that back in somehow.

Maybe when she is about to draw. She pressed her finger to the glass chilled by the night air. Or something.

Feel free to comment on my 13 for Lightning Elves.

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