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PollyKing
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The bath water was black. I could barely see my own reflection as I stared down at it. I realized that my hands were shaking-I felt good though, calm. Mother came in. “You didn’t say they’d be people this time,” I whispered.
“Do you know how much work it took me to capture them and bring them all the way here, and the first thing you do is complain? I have a brat of a daughter then.” I could still feel them inside my body. Stirring in there, and trying to claw out. I can still see their faces. There was a woman with blonde hair and a man with brown hair. That is all I know, I didn’t even look them in the eye.
“I can’t move. My stomach hurts.”
“Oh, well that’s just too bad. I was going to show some

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well there ya go, if you want to read more than e-mail me at hunchichi@mac.com
please comment and constructive criticism is always a good thing!

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited November 15, 2010).]

[This message has been edited by PollyKing (edited November 15, 2010).]


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Jennywinnie
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Ok first I'll say I think this story might be exciting but this 13 lines did very little to actually tell me what was going on. Your plot seems good, but the mechincs of actually getting the ideas across aren't jiving. I think if you reorder the sentences it gets instantly better. First let me break down the confusion factor. I'll take you through my thoughts step by step as I was reading, and I'll tell you what I was thinking as a reader. This might sound harsh, but please bear with me. I think there's a simple fix here:

"The bath water was black."

So when I saw this I was like why on earth was it black? It's a great hook but then you never explain why. Is it dirty? Did she just roll in the mud or something?

"I could barely see my own reflection as I stared down at it. I realized that my hands were shaking-I felt good though, calm."

This confused me because I have no idea why your hands shaking has anything to do with the water being black. Maybe if you'd explained that already then I'd be OK with this. It's a another mystery thrown in but my brain can't handle two mysteries at once...at least when they are less than two sentences apart from one another...but then again, maybe that's just me My mind just can't make any mental leap as to what the heck is going on here. Of course suspense is OK, mystery is good, confusion is not good. Here my only guess as to what's happening but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong: (did she have an accident in tub? Is she sick or something? If that's what this is then a few more clues would help.)


"Mother came in. “You didn’t say they’d be people this time,” I whispered."

Another mystery. These dots simply don't connect in my head. Usually in a good hook it instantly throws us into the story, gives us enough details to give us something to ground us. Here, I've been tossed back and forth from she's been mud wrestling, to she's sick, to she pooped in the tub because she's shy? That can't be right...but that's all I'm coming up with here.

“Do you know how much work it took me to capture them and bring them all the way here, and the first thing you do is complain?"

This is a little better. Now I'm getting some idea that they are evil...but that's still about it. Why would they be capturing people? How does that have anything to do with a black tub...or shaking hands...ect. I get that the girl is nervous and doesn't want to go through with something but that's not enough of a frame work to keep me in the story. This sounds like it could be exciting, but you haven't given me enough detail to have a clue what they are talking about.

I have a brat of a daughter then.”

This is a good comment. Good characterization. Still I don't know what they are talking about. Even though the lines are well written as a reader I don't care about the dialog until I can at least guess where they are, and what they are referring to.

I could still feel them inside my body. Stirring in there, and trying to claw out. I can still see their faces. There was a woman with blonde hair and a man with brown hair. That is all I know, I didn’t even look them in the eye.

OK this totally threw off all of my guesses. She's being possessed? I think you waited too long to tell me this. I think this part should go first and then most of the problems with the confusion would be solved.
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So now...the light at the end of the tunnel:

Try this order -

"I could still feel them inside my body. [They stirred], trying to claw out. I [ cut - still] [saw - past tense] their faces. There was a woman with blonde hair and a man with brown hair. That is all I [could see - past tense]. [I couldn't bring myself -past tense] [to] look them in the eye."

Now, we instantly get that we are talking about someone being possessed. This is the perfect framework for adding the rest.

"I could barely see my own reflection [in the black water] as I stared down at it. [Grabbing my hands to steady them,] I realized that [they] were shaking [.] [Despite this,] I [was] calm."

Since the black water didn't really get explained I de-emphasized it. This way, it's just black. We don't really expect an explanation about it and I think that's what you were going for. Something you might want to explain though is why her hands were shaking. Normally people associate this with being nervous, so if she's calm...there's another reason. That reason should come soon after this statement or it just feels like a contradiction.

"Mother came in. “You didn’t say they’d be people this time,” I whispered."

She now this is really flowing. This is good in the new order. It makes so much more sense now. And when she says that, it still give us a mystery, but because we got that frame work going in the opening sentences we aren't protesting anymore.

“Do you know how much work it took me to capture them and bring them all the way here, and the first thing you do is complain?"

[Mother really knew how to put on the guilt trip. I crossed my arms pouting, protesting in silence.]

[She narrowed her eyes,] "I have a brat of a daughter then.”

So I didn't see the main character answer her mother's question, and if she doesn't we need to know why. We need to hear what's churning in that little head of her's, and it also helps to see a physical response from the mother.

***********So here it is all together now:

I could still feel them inside my body. [They stirred], trying to claw out. I [saw] their faces. There was a woman with blonde hair and a man with brown hair. That is all I [could see because of some reason I couldn't bring myself to] look them in the eye.

I could barely see my own reflection [in the black water] as I stared down at it. [Grabbing my hands to steady them,] I realized that [they] were shaking [.] [Despite this,] I [was] calm.

Mother came in.

“You didn’t say they’d be people this time,” I whispered.

[She sneered,]“Do you know how much work it took me to capture them and bring them all the way here, and the first thing you do is complain?"

[Mother really knew how to put on the guilt trip. I crossed my arms pouting, protesting in silence.]

[She narrowed her eyes,] "I have a brat of a daughter then.”

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Hopefully all of that didn't offend you. It really was a slight adjustment, but I wanted you to see why. To sort of get inside the reader's head there.

OK, well good luck with this.


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Thank you for the advice. Actually the girl isn't possesed and she is actually very nice. Her mother is just really mean to her. Her mother changed her blood so it is black and she can never die and the only way she can survive is by eating people. I hope that clarifys it up a little more for you! if you want to read the whole chapter i can always e-mail it to you. I think it sort of unfolds in the chapter.
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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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Ask yourself, PollyKing, would an editor let you explain the story as you have just done?

If it isn't clarified in the first 13 lines, the editor is probably not going to turn the page and keep reading until she gets to the clarification.

That's one of the reasons for the first-13-line rule, to help you get those first 13 lines clear enough that editors and readers will understand what's going on and care enough to keep reading.


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Welcome to Hatrack!
Hmmm... This girl's mother appears to be making her eat people (at least this time - it was something else before.) So far I actually feel sorry for her instead of horrified and disgusted, but that's going to be a hard balancing act for you to keep me from deciding she's a whiney little monster and lose sympathy. Good luck with that...
Need a better understanding of why the water is black - at first I just thought it was dirty bath water.
And like KDW said, if you have to include a letter of explanation so people can understand your story, you're not doing your job. Figure out how to fit that explanation into the story...

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Seems dark and ominous, interesting, but some lines stuck out to me.

The mom calling the girl a brat just seemed out of place. Mom can be mean, but given the forcefulness of the mom's reaction, I would expect something more along the lines of "You ungrateful wench." (which would give a clue to gender.)

Suggest you differentiate the woman and man by something other than just hair. Man with freckles, tall man, man with the brown shoes, something different so it contrasts with the other description.

If the mom is really awful and torturing her daughter, the wording of the next line of her dialogue is hedging too much. "Oh, well that's just too bad...."

Wouldn't she just kind of snap? "Too bad!"

Agree with previous posters the black water, the shaking but calm don't make a lot of sense. It would be beneficial to get a bit more of an idea of what's going on in there so that the reader can be grounded before you start laying out the rest of your tale.

Also last point - you mention chapter. This is the section of the forum for short story openings. There's also a section for books. Short stories are generally too short for chapters (Usually 15k words or less, though some writers here write a little longer "short" stories than that.)

Best of luck with this.


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I never read other comments before I make my own so I apologize if anything I say is repetitive. I felt all the elements were here in regard to hook,speculative, introduction of vital characters. I feel that you even did a good job developing a bit of character. While this theme doesn't seem hackneyed to me, it wasn't terribly fresh to my senses, but I felt submerged in regard to story and plot. What I did deduct points for was style. First person is cool. I endorse it more than most but it MUST be done well in order to be effective. Lines full of I, me, and mine's really turn me off. Anchor the POV swiftly and sternly and you don't have to rely on this. I suggest studying a few good styles of writers that you respect and see if you can work some of this ou and develop your own style. Voice is so important in first person narratives...critical really, but I think you are off to a great start.
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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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quote:
Also last point - you mention chapter. This is the section of the forum for short story openings. There's also a section for books. Short stories are generally too short for chapters (Usually 15k words or less, though some writers here write a little longer "short" stories than that.)

That's because when PollyKing started this topic in the wrong place, I moved it here. If it belongs in the Books area, I'll move it there now.


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You don't have to set up the whole story in the first 13, but the part that you do set up should be mostly self-contained, no flash cards needed. That's a partial restatement of what Kathleen and the others were saying.

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“Do you know how much work it took me to capture them and bring them all the way here, and the first thing you do is complain? I have a brat of a daughter then.” I could still feel them inside my body. Stirring in there, and trying to claw out. I can still see their faces. There was a woman with blonde hair and a man with brown hair. That is all I know, I didn’t even look them in the eye

The above snippet caused some of the confusion of this opening. Never say never, but I can't think of an good reason to mix the dialog and/or interior thoughts of two characters in the same paragraph...not even to make it fit into the first 13 . Most readers are attuned to that rule, even if unaware of it, and will assume both pieces of dialog or thoughts were of the same character.

“Do you know how much work it took me to capture them and bring them all the way here, and the first thing you do is complain? I have a brat of a daughter then.”

I could still feel them inside my body. Stirring in there, and trying to claw out. I can still see their faces. There was a woman with blonde hair and a man with brown hair. That is all I know, I didn’t even look them in the eye.


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