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Posted by WouldBe (Member # 5682) on :
 
Revised version in later post.

Pop wanted two boys at least, no other genders need apply. He was the product of three consecutive girl-free generations, each having at least two boys, the exemplar comprising five boys living at least to the age of twelve. I was the firstborn of Pop's progeny, but clearly insufficient to bear the weight of the patriarchal line; more boys were needed to pad the generational safety margin.

Perhaps too anxious to win the progeny award, Pop brooked a plague of girls, stairstepped with risers of fire and treads of brimstone: Rebekah, Esther, Miriam, Hannah, Sarah and Martha. Pop was a Christmas Eve and Easter church-goer; Mom banked on him not knowing these were biblical names. Six girls in six years. I know how to change a diaper, I tell you.

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Posted by C L Lynn (Member # 8007) on :
 
"Whoa! What?" is my first reaction. The language is stimulating - perhaps too stimulating. Despite this, the info presented in the first paragraph is rather dull. Likely, a run-down on the narrator's paternity is necessary to the story, but should you open with it? Hmm ...

The second paragraph presented issues as well. What the heck does "stairstepped with risers of fire and treads of brimstone" mean? And after reading about all the girls Pop has begotten, the opening sentence no longer makes sense. My first impression was that Pop was resorting to *hiring* sons. Though you probably intend for readers to read the opening line with tongue in cheek, it was misleading for me.

Your voice is consistently humorous, however. I love a tale rife with irony ("Six girls in six years" - teehee), but, I hate to say it, I'm not certain I'm intrigued enough to turn the page.
 


Posted by debhoag (Member # 5493) on :
 
It wouldbe good to have the hook. So far, you've got the setup well established, but we need a hint on genre and on action to come.

Maybe you should re-write the whole thing a few times? Then we can pick and choose.
 


Posted by kings_falcon (Member # 3261) on :
 
Humm. I keep being the minority. I liked the narrator and that was enough for me to wonder about the next line. So, you've hooked at least me. All right, I know it's a dubious prize at best but . . .

Most of my comments are nits or clean up:

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Pop wanted two boys at least, no other genders need apply. Great first line. The only hitch was I was expecting the MC to be a girl. He was the product of three consecutive girl-free generations, each having at least two boys, the exemplar comprising five boys living at least to the age of twelve. while you might cut part of this, I'd be afraid of losing the voice if you did I was the firstborn of Pop's progeny, but clearly insufficient to bear the weight of the patriarchal line; more boys were needed to pad the generational safety margin. ah, it's a boy!

Perhaps too anxious to win the progeny award, Pop brooked a plague of girls, stairstepped with risers of fire and treads of brimstone Hu? the stairstepped section is making me think to hard about what you are trying to say. I'm not sure if the plauge is "stairstepped" because of the biblical names or something else : Rebekah, Esther, Miriam, Hannah, Sarah and Martha. Pop was a Christmas Eve and Easter church-goer Nice description ; Mom banked on him not knowing these were biblical names. Six girls in six years. I know how to change a diaper, I tell you. LOL



 


Posted by debhoag (Member # 5493) on :
 
Did I mention that Deborah is a Biblical name?
 
Posted by WouldBe (Member # 5682) on :
 
Thanks for the comments; they're very helpful. Regarding the stairstep thing: you've seen a Mom with a brood of kids, each a head taller than the next. They're stairstepped...about a year apart. You probably knew that but wondered what I meant by the risers/fire and treads/brimstone bit. Mostly, it sounded good to me. The vertical pieces of a stairway are risers and the horizontal pieces are treads, and since this is a hellish plague upon the dad....

If this piece is speculative at all it will only be because the girls are all strange and mystical, befitting their names. Their doting brother tells each girl's tale in chapter form (which of course are intertwined), beginning immediately after the opening you read.

So...does 'strange and mystical girl' rise to the level of 'speculative,' or is this a dirty-rotten-stinking literary piece?

Right now, some of the girls' names are placeholders, so Deborah might make it in if she's a good biblical girl, and maybe more so if bad.

 


Posted by C L Lynn (Member # 8007) on :
 
Wasn't Deborah the woman who killed a bad guy by putting a tent stake through his eye?

But why does "strange and mystical" apply to women in the Bible? As a frequent reader of the Bible, I must say that there's nothing at all strange or mystical about any of the names you've decided to use.

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Wow, I stand corrected. Deborah led the army, but it was another woman who brandished the tent peg. (And it was the dude's temple she drove it through, not the eye.) Check out Judges 4-5.

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Posted by WouldBe (Member # 5682) on :
 
The characters *in my story* are strange and mystical...befitting their names. There is only very light comparison to the biblical characters to give some texture to the story, if it were finished .

But I don't think 'strange and mystical' is pejorative for the biblical characters. Clearly, many of them were mystical. One's a prophetess, one is mater dei, one is mother of two nations, one is mother of John the Baptist. Several of them had conversations with God. "Strange" doesn't only mean "oddball"; it also means "unusual" or "different." What is different from me is strange to me.
 


Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
This is a little informative, but not nescessarily bad. I like the whimsical style of narration. I feel that there should just be a more compelling speculative element to anchor my interest.
 
Posted by WouldBe (Member # 5682) on :
 
Here is a trial new version (which I'm sure is not too long if blank lines are removed).

Pop wanted two boys at least, no other genders need apply. Three foregoing proud, girl-free generations forged this blueprint into his DNA. I was Pop's firstborn and had the correct gender, but more boys were needed to pad the patriarchal safety margin.

Pop pressed the matter too urgently, thereby unleashing a plague of girls upon him, stairstepped a year apart. Pop was a Christmas Eve and Easter church-goer and didn't notice the portent of Mom's chosen names: Rebekah, Esther, Miriam, Hannah, Sarah and Martha. Six girls in six years. I know how to change a diaper, I tell you. Pop wondered if he'd have his progeny. I wondered if my sisters' maelstrom would consume their doting brother.

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Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
This is a tough one! I like aspects of both versions. I prefer the first paragraph of the first version and the second paragraph of the revision, but not combined. Maybe you can give and take from parts of each.

1st v. - 1st p.

quote:
the exemplar comprising five boys living at least to the age of twelve.

- This line confused me - you suggest some didn't live past 12 - is this important? I thought the rest of the paragraph was perfect.

I liked the revised second paragraph after "thereby unleashing a plague of girls upon him,..." - I thought in the first version, when you used the word "brooked," it was a stronger word and it created a sense of irony. Also the revised second paragraph didn't seem to have as fluid of a transition from the first paragraph.

I also love your idea of using each paragraph to tell about one of the sisters. Maybe you can tell of each one's life and then end with the narrator - just a thought.

I'd definitely keep reading (but I like literary works).

Oh, by the way - Deborah was the one and only female Judge in the history of Israel. This was a position that was a cross between a warrior, a prophet and a king back when Irael was a theocracy (more so than when they eventually did get a king - Saul and then David). She stepped up when all of the men were wusses and wouldn't take charge. She was a real bad@$$.

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Posted by WouldBe (Member # 5682) on :
 
Kathleen, if you paste in what you left of my post, you'll see that you trimmed it to 11 lines.

Further info after experimentation:
On IE7, the lines are *one* character shorter than Firefox. But that's enough to cause a couple of earlier word wraps, pushing the paragraph one line longer. Sheesh.

Example, on the first line, 'three' is word-wrapped by IE7, but not by FF. If I delete one letter in 'Three', it is not word-wrapped in IE. IE7's line length in the msg box appears to be 63 characters, which seems odd, no pun intended. So use FF?


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Posted by debhoag (Member # 5493) on :
 
See? See?
 
Posted by WouldBe (Member # 5682) on :
 
philocinemas, thanks for your comments and suggestions. I may very well pick and choose from the two versions.

BTW, I had picked about a dozen women, with the intent of selecting 6, depending on how the story panned out (i.e., no planning required). These included: Elizabeth, Esther, Pilate's wife (called Claudia by some), Salome, Eunice, Miriam, Rebekah, Deborah, Ruth, Rachel, Lydia and Sarah. So far, the narrator is anonymous.
 


Posted by WouldBe (Member # 5682) on :
 
Howdy, thanks for all the comments. I have a complete draft of 5000 words if anyone is interested in giving it a read.

--Bill
 


Posted by alliedfive (Member # 7811) on :
 
I will read. Send it along.
 


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