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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Some of the comments and subjects in the other threads reminds me of "hard and fast rules"---things no writer, beginner or otherwise, should ever do in his tory. Seems I've seen a lot over the years---usually when somebody's written a story defying them.

The one that comes to my mind right away, about writing Westerns, where you're never, ever supposed to open a story by having a cowboy ride up on his horse and finding a naked woman taking a bath in front of him.

How about the rest of you, sharing a few you've come across, or evolved yourselves, or maybe even written stories in defiance of?
 


Posted by Beth (Member # 2192) on :
 
For every hard and fast rule, there are counterexamples where someone's made it work.

Don't start out by telling readers why they don't want to read your story, unless you're Lemony Snickett.

Don't use dashes instead of quotation marks on dialog, unless you're Cormac McCarthy.

Don't write about high school students, unless you're J.K. Rowling.

Don't write Finnegans Wake unless you're Joyce.

etc.


 


Posted by Elan (Member # 2442) on :
 
I interpret those "rules" to mean: "You have to have a vastly superior story to make your manuscript rise above the glut of repetitive, cliche'-ridden morass of similar stories we get on a daily basis with that exact theme."
 
Posted by djvdakota (Member # 2002) on :
 
I think it's funny when we start up lists like this and then someone says, "Well so-and-so did it 100 years ago, so it must be OK."

Well, 100 years ago it was OK because it was new and unique and it worked. But what happens next is that every author on the planet tries to copy those techniques that work, and ten years later the market is innundated with similar works. I mean, how many kid-in-a-wizard-school take-offs have there been since Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone?

So it's not really that these techniques/plots are inherently bad. It's really just that they've been overused, and the editors--and their readers--are tired of hearing about them.

So, right now, before anyone else beats me to it, I'm going to add...

No stories about kids in a wizarding school.

Sure, there are ALWAYS exceptions to these 'rules.' But, like has been said before, you have to be doubly good to get them past the editors. With slush piles a mile high, they're looking for any excuse to toss your story in the reject pile. And if a magazine's guidelines say, "No such-and-such kind of stories," DO NOT send them one of those thinking that YOURS is THE ONE to beat the rule. Be confident in your work, not cocky.
 


Posted by AndrewR (Member # 1563) on :
 
The only rule I know is:

Write your story in a recognizable language.

Everything else is guidelines.
 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Yeah, but there are people who love trying to decipher things that aren't recognizable as language. So that rule has to be tossed as well.
 
Posted by Miriel (Member # 2719) on :
 
Yes...but most of us do Fantasy or Science Fiction. The genre with unrecognizable language that requires decoding is called Literature.
 
Posted by djvdakota (Member # 2002) on :
 
LOL!!
 
Posted by yanos (Member # 1831) on :
 
Rule 5: Don't do anything stupid.

5.7.3 Don't put your cup of coffee to close to your computer.

5.7.4 Don't work with your laptop on your lap when you are very tired.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I thought computers, or at least desktop models, came with their own cupholder...

...

One rule I've come up with is specific only to my own work (as far as I know).

I've written or half-written at least a dozen stories in the last dozen years that start with somebody waking up in bed in the morning. Things generally go on from there, one way or another, but they all start the same way.

Unfortunately, I didn't notice it until I'd written a half-dozen stories beginning that way.

Now, if I start, and find I'm starting at this old familiar place, I continue on, while looking for a new place to start. Sometimes I back up and write a new opening, sometimes I move forward past what I've written, and sometimes I abandon the story and move on to something else. I hate to repeat myself. I hate to repeat myself.
 


Posted by Spaceman (Member # 9240) on :
 
The real rules:

Double space
12-point font
Plain white paper
proper format
SASE
Accept rejection and move on to the next market.
 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
I'm ambivalent about the "don't start with the POV character waking up" thing. Because sometimes it contradicts a far more important rule, "start the scene where the scene starts."

If a POV character wakes up and something important happens immediately, then you need to start the scene where it started. That means starting with the POV character waking up. There are scenes that don't begin when the POV character first wakes up. And if you have a scene where nothing more important than the usual morning routine takes place, you should skip it unless that routine contains vital information. So most stories shouldn't begin with the character waking up in the morning. But you shouldn't forbid yourself from starting a scene at the beginning of that scene.
 


Posted by kgator (Member # 2787) on :
 
I'd be curious to see the results of a flash trigger that says that your story must start with:

"your character rides up from somewhere and finds a naked person taking a bath in front of him/her."

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Posted by Spaceman (Member # 9240) on :
 
Penthouse is not a speculative fiction market.
 
Posted by Beth (Member # 2192) on :
 
kgator, first you're going to have to win the flash challenge. Then we can write it!

At Scrawl, they did a flash once where the topic was "letters to Penthouse." The one about the monkey was hilarious.
 


Posted by AaronAndy (Member # 2763) on :
 
The only hard fast, cannot-ever-be-broken rule of writing I know is, "Don't post more than 13 lines of anything to the Hatrack forums." Everything else can (and sometimes has to be) broken if the story requires it, and if you're a good enough writer you can get away with it.
 
Posted by wbriggs (Member # 2267) on :
 
I like what Survivor said! I have 1 story that starts with MC waking up. He's awakened by the pop of a self-destructing transformer for his futuristic building. This cuts off the power, and thus ventilation, so he's in danger of asphyxiation. That's clearly (to me) where the story starts. Critters.org had people warning me there were too many stories that started there. I feel better thinking about the question of: where SHOULD this story start?
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
There actually is one really, truly, honest-to-goodness hard and fast rule of writing.

Don't bore your reader.
 


Posted by Kolona (Member # 1438) on :
 
"There are three rules to writing a novel. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are." -- Somerset Maugham
 
Posted by franc li (Member # 3850) on :
 
Dude, someone almost talked me into starting a story with the MC waking up.
 
Posted by Doc Brown (Member # 1118) on :
 
Kathlene, I beg to differ. "Don't bore the reader" is a rule of fiction writing. A person writing a grant proposal or a traffic accident report should not worry about the excitment level of the reader.

A lot of people are writers. Most have a lot of rules to follow. It's the fiction writers that have only one rule, a rule that some other writers must ignore.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Doc, I stand corrected. Thank you.
 
Posted by Spaceman (Member # 9240) on :
 
Heh, my (engineering) thesis advisor was surprised that I wrote my masters thesis in third person. It never even occurred to me that I might write it in first person. Apparently, I was the exception rather than the rule.
 
Posted by yanos (Member # 1831) on :
 
That's strange. I wrote my engineering thesis in 2nd person present tense and it started with, "You have just woken up..."

Seriously though, I know of fiction books which bore me to tears and those are modern ones.

My favourite rule is, "Write the story you want to write, and then compromise."
 


Posted by Ferris (Member # 2819) on :
 
"There are no rules, but you break them at your peril."

Words to live by if you ask me
 


Posted by electricgrandmother (Member # 2713) on :
 
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I recently had someone tell me to avoid using parenthesis and semi-colons in fiction. (After one use of parenthesis and three or four uses of semi-colons in a story.) This wasn't a big deal -- I was okay with this person's opinion.

But then two days later I read a spec fic story that's been bought for the Best American Short Stories 2005 and there, lo and behold, was a set of parentheses...

I think that, past a certain point, most of the "rules" are personal preference.
 


Posted by EricJamesStone (Member # 1681) on :
 
quote:
If a POV character wakes up and something important happens immediately, then you need to start the scene where it started. That means starting with the POV character waking up. There are scenes that don't begin when the POV character first wakes up. And if you have a scene where nothing more important than the usual morning routine takes place, you should skip it unless that routine contains vital information. So most stories shouldn't begin with the character waking up in the morning. But you shouldn't forbid yourself from starting a scene at the beginning of that scene.

I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with starting a scene by having the character wake up, if something important happens at that point. But choosing to start your story with such a scene is a potential problem because starting a story that way has become a cliche.

Similarly, I can have a scene end with the character waking up and realizing he's been dreaming -- but if that's the final scene, it's a major cliche. Used elsewhere, it may be fine.

I would suggest that if your first scene begins with the character waking up, you might want to look at alternative ways to start the story.
 


Posted by JmariC (Member # 2698) on :
 
Another rule to remember:
"Don't treat the readers as if they were stupid."

One really fast turn off for me is when a writer puts in a statement that has portent, and then repeats it soon after. In one instance the ominous sentence was printed, followed by stating that the words repeated themselves in the POV's head, then the ominous sentence was printed again. Exactly the same as it was just before the last sentence. That was just one example of many times the writer did this.
I've decided, when I can stomache it, I'm going to read the whole book, highlighting all the errors made, though the heavy handed clarification takes the cake so far.

 


Posted by Spaceman (Member # 9240) on :
 
Then mail it back to the author?
 
Posted by wbriggs (Member # 2267) on :
 
I usually break each rule I see (except don't spell "all right" as "alright"), but only rarely.

Don't start with the character waking up. I did this, not to be perverse, but because it was a transformer blowing that wakened him, and also started the problem of the story.

Don't write about VR. (Actually, that was the same story.)

Don't start with dialog. I do this a little more regularly.

Don't have inconsistent technology, as in, flying the helicar to the transport pad. I did this once, and it was the point of the story. I still want to start a story with "It was raining on Mongo that morning. That's right, the whole planet, with exactly the same weather."

Only one POV per short story. I break that a little more regularly, but still, it's the exception. The only time I got a comment on it I had *3* POV's, and then, it was, "You're breaking a rule here, but I see why."

But I don't break the actual rules of punctuation, spelling, and grammar. That would just be annoying. Sometimes someone will say, "You have bad grammar here," meaning, "My English teacher said sentence fragments are bad." Sentence fragments; semicolons; parentheses. (OK by me, although sometimes overused, as I did right here.)

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Posted by thexmedic (Member # 2844) on :
 
Maybe not a rule, but certainly I recommendation that I heard is always to write "[name] said" (for example, "Fred said") rather than said [name] (said "Fred").

The thing is, I prefer it the latter version. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
 


Posted by Beth (Member # 2192) on :
 
I've read that as well, but I don't think it's a very firm rule. "said Fred" just sounds a little old-fashioned.

I think it's ok to use more than one POV in a short story. It's just not usually worth it.


 


Posted by hoptoad (Member # 2145) on :
 
In response to Beth's 'Don't write about highschool students unless you are JK Rowling.' comment
This is something of a struggle if you write YA fiction -- isn't it?

Unless you want to set all your plots during the summer holidays or in some remote place or time where YAs don't go to school.
 


Posted by hoptoad (Member # 2145) on :
 
As to alright

Usage Note: Despite the appearance of the form alright in works of such well-known writers as Langston Hughes and James Joyce, the single word spelling has never been accepted as standard. This is peculiar, since similar fusions such as already and altogether have never raised any objections. The difference may lie in the fact that already and altogether became single words back in the Middle Ages, whereas alright has only been around for a little more than a century and was called out by language critics as a misspelling. Consequently, one who uses alright, especially in formal writing, runs the risk that readers may view it as an error or as the willful breaking of convention.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.


NOTE: As with altogether and already that gained acceptability over time, maybe SCIFI writers should use alright to add authenticity to the proposal that their story takes place in the future when all together, all ready AND all right are considered misspellings.

Edit: joke.

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Posted by hoptoad (Member # 2145) on :
 
Don't do 'Vampire tribes', 'vampires versus werewolves', 'the good vampires need to stop the bad vampires waking up the superbad vampire from torpor', 'diabolary' 'vampires are descended from cain', 'the book of nod' or any other fanfiction masquerading as something else.
 
Posted by lehollis (Member # 2883) on :
 
"Learn the rules well, and then forget them." -Matsuo Basho

Interestingly, I had to go back and review the quality of my most recent story, where the character wakes up at the beginning. I think it works; something awoke her, the action begins from there, the dreams and sleep quality are a factor, and so forth. Yet, now, I'm concerned an editor will stop reading at the word 'awoke'.
 


Posted by rcorporon (Member # 2879) on :
 
Don't bore the reader?

DIckens made a career of doing that.

Ronnie
 


Posted by Beth (Member # 2192) on :
 
Uh-huh.
I love how nuanced the discussions of literature are around here these days.
 


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