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As anyone who has had me critique their stories knows, starting a sentance with an "and" or "but" is a real nit for me. I don't mind it once or twice, but the temptation is to overuse it.
This was something I'd never thought about before. I'm pretty sure its something I do quite often. I personally quite like it as a pacing device, but I tend to like passive voice and lots of subjective clauses so, I'm not sure I should pay attention to me.
Basically I was wondering if other people found it annoying/a trait of amateur writing.
NOTE: I'm not in any way, shape, or form attempting to get people to dump on kings_falcon's opinion. This really is for my own edification. I'm working on a novel at the moment and I really want to have it in as marketable state as possible.
I guess I use this device about once for every 2-3k words. I don't think I've ever commented on other people's use of it but I would if I started to see if every page or certainly every paragraph.
If you find, as a writer, that you are using improper English repeatedly, such as sentence fragments, starting sentences with 'And' and 'But', or single word sentences, then maybe you're using these devices too much. I would suggest using anything like this sparingly and only if no other option exists, especially as a new author, no matter how good you write. Once famous, you can do whatever you want, but until then, things like this are more than likely to cause roadblocks to getting published.
What you need to look out for is repetition. If consecutive sentences or even paragraphs start with a conjunction, and you weren't aware that you were doing so, then editing them may be worthwhile. AND if you did so deliberately, then so be it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(grammar)
Because I really had to know. And I found out, so now I can identify them leading my sentences and eliminate them. Or replace them with a descriptive phrase.
And it came to pass that that exercise hurt. Yet I feel I'm better for it, somehow.
But other than that, I have to admit it's not a thing that's ever bothered me. I can get pretty nit-picky about grammar, but I've yet to comment on excessive use of it.
I don't take the question as a dump on my comment. Everyone has thier opinions and this happens to be one of mine. It came up in the movie Finding Forrester and has sort of found a place in my heart since then.
For me it becomes an annoyance when a writer relies on conjunctions to start a sentance too often. Generally, there is a better way to say what you want. BUT, I don't mind it at all in dialog especially when it is a character trait. I also have to confess that I do it too but I try to limit how often I do so.
As I said, there is no hard and fast rule against (or for) using conjunctions to start a sentance, but when you do, you have to be careful not to overdo it. My standard for overdoing it is when the mechanics of writing become obvious. I don't want the conjunction to be a roadblock to my getting to the story.
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"But, you promised!"
The use of a conjunction at the beginning of a sentence is bad grammar, but it can be used upon occasion for effect. I usually do comment when I find this too often during a crit. Often times the conjunction can be cut out without changing the meaning of the sentence--it is just there from habit. Other times, the sentence should be connected to the one it followed. But the author made it a separate sentence for some unknown reason (yes, that was intentional). I have noticed quite a few people that seem to really like this habit for some reason. It's just another thing to look for in your writing if you tend to overuse it.
Very often, the answer is "yes". But if you get into the habit of using conjunctions to begin all your sentances, then the answer will start to be "no" rather more often
The car kept rolling down the hill. It kept rolling. And rolling. And rolling, until it came to a halt at the bottom of the lake.
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The car. Kept rolling down the hill. It kept rolling. And rolling. And rolling. Until it came to a halt. Bottom. Lake.
Hey, that works! Someone call Ernest Hemingway and tell him the good news!
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Other times, the sentence should be connected to the one it followed. But the author made it a separate sentence for some unknown reason (yes, that was intentional).
Certainly it's fine (and funny!) to make the commentary provide examples to prove one's point! And, yes, that example is clunky.
But the fact that it's possible to misuse something doesn't show that it can't be used correctly. It's the same. As with sentence fragments. They can certainly be clunky and amateurish. Can they also be effective? In four words: yes.
Use it rarely, very rarely. But, it's okay to use it.
Thanks so much guys. 1st draft a few days from completion then it's time to hunt down those excessive conjunctions and kill them.
I love you guys! *hugs*
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I think a sentence starting with a conjunction is much better than a run-on in most cases, but there isn't a hard and fast rule for what is or isn't a run on sentence.
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And?
Ooh, brilliant! Starting and ending a sentence with a conjunction!
My sister said I was the only person she'd ever met who didn't score 60+ on the TSWE that used to come with the SAT. (Test of Standard Written English). It was multiple choice of the same sentence written different ways and you marked which one you prefer. IICR.
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And yet. And yet.
And then the "yet" thing goes in this paragraph.
ARGH!
Then again, I like OSC's rule of thumb, that fictional writing should sound like a real person talking. Overprecision is the mark of sticklers and snobs, not the sort of narritive voice that a reader could identify with.
To be sure, I had one WIP that took this to an extreme and used dialect too prounounced, and sometimes inconsistently, but hopefully I learned my lesson.
With the second I'm just looking for readability and I find I put a lot of that stuff back in.