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Posted by luapc (Member # 2878) on :
 
I don't know who is interested in the results of the Writers Of The Future Contest, but I thought it might be good to have a thread here to post results as they come in. I just read on another site (sff.net), that the coordinating judge, Kathy Wentworth, had finished reading and deciding on finalists, semifinalists, quarterfinalists, and rejects on Monday, so anyone who entered should be hearing soon.

Please post your results as you get them, and good luck to everyone.
 


Posted by ChrisOwens (Member # 1955) on :
 
Alas, did not complete anything in time for Q4. Currently proofing and fiddling something for Q107. As the deadline approaches, I am starting to panic... there's always a sentence that can be tweaked, narritive and dialog needing adustment, and the little voice about the subplots that say, "What about? What about?" And then I read it and find an article missing or a comma out of place...
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Still waiting fretfully to hear from them.
 
Posted by Alethea Kontis (Member # 3748) on :
 
Good luck to everyone -- I gave up on trying to enter after my seventh or eighth attempt last quarter. (And after one of my first round rejections got published in Realms of Fantasy. As much as I like KD, some editors you just can't please.)

In a happy twist of fate, I'll still be attending next year, though, as the "significant other" of Steven Savile (who's been asked to speak to the workshoppers). I'm so excited!

Hope to see some of you there!
 


Posted by quantumphotonkid (Member # 4150) on :
 
So Q4 judging goes out in December? I wondered why the quarters were numbered strangely...


I have an entry I was trying to do for Q4 but I ended up moving over the summer and never had enough time. Then I went off to college. I should finish it up sometime. Let's see, next deadline is...December 31! D'oh
 


Posted by Silver3 (Member # 2174) on :
 
WOTF runs from September to September. The results come about three months after the deadline generally.
Good luck to everyone ! (I'm hoping to see some of you next year in addition to Alethea and Steve)
 
Posted by Spaceman (Member # 9240) on :
 
That's not exactly right. The quarters are referred to by the reading period, not the writing period. Thus, if you submit today, it's for Q1-07 because that's the reading period. Right now, they're reading for Q4-06.
 
Posted by Silver3 (Member # 2174) on :
 
On all my previous rejection letters, the quarters were referred to by submission period, not by reading period. And I seem to remember--though I can't get my hand on the file, that the rules state at some point that the year ends on September 30, 2006 (in reality, I suspect a convenience so that judging for all 4 quarters is finished by the time they start organising the Award Ceremony).
 
Posted by Spaceman (Member # 9240) on :
 
Oh, they name the submission period one quarter ahead. There is no question about that. September to September.
 
Posted by Spaceman (Member # 9240) on :
 
Magnetic Monopoly is a Quarter-finalist. Notified by e-mail today.
 
Posted by Silver3 (Member # 2174) on :
 
Ok, I give up on the reading/submission thing; definitely too complicated for me
Congrats on the QF!
 
Posted by Spaceman (Member # 9240) on :
 
I guess my main consolation for WOTF is that I haven't been sending them my best stuff. Not sure why.
 
Posted by luapc (Member # 2878) on :
 
I just received my quarter-finalist notification by snail mail.

Alethea, I sympathize with you on giving up on the contest. I'm sure that if you stuck with it, sooner or later, you would win, so maybe you'll change your mind after attending the workshop. Getting your first story published in any Pro magazine is a great accomplishment.

It can be a bit irritating and perplexing when an author writes what they, and many other readers, know is a good and publishable story, only to have it rejected. I look at the contest as just another market. There's no doubt that it's one of the best paying markets, but it is still just another market.

I wouldn't suggest to anyone to base their entire writing career on one publication or contest like this. Especially since, like Alethea said, it is just one editor's opinion on what gets to finalist or not. In fact, it might even be harder to win in the WOTF contest than to get published in a Pro market magazine like Realms of Fantasy, Asimov's, or Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, because only twelve stories a year win. That's about one tenth of the stories published in a Pro market magazine in the same period. The only advantage to entering in WOTF is that most entrants in WOTF haven't published anything, while the pro market magazines have a lot of established authors submitting.

I have just submitted my next story for the first quarter of 2007, and hope everyone else who wants to has done so as well. Good luck everybody!
 


Posted by Alethea Kontis (Member # 3748) on :
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure that no matter how many times I entered it, I would never have won. It was my mom who figured this out--sage woman that she is--a couple of years ago.

We had The Talk...you know, the one where she said, "Alethea, if you want to win the contest, win the stupid contest. Otherwise, shut up about it." (I'm not paraphrasing. She was in the middle of her second margarita at the time. That was pretty much exactly what she said.)

She was right, of course. See, I have this big thing about writing stories for me--things that make me happy, and things I would want to read. What the WotF people want to publish, I didn't want to write. And I needed to be okay with that.

So now I am a spokesperson for those folks who--like me--were and are completely devastated every time they get a rejection letter from this contest. It IS a very important contest, and you SHOULD go out there and try to win it in as many quarters as you are eligible...but if you DON'T, it's not the end of the world.

(The world, I might add, that I plan on conquering someday soon.)

[Edit -- and everything luapc said was true -- especially the part about other established writers vying for positions in those major mags. It was nice to hear Harry Turtledove at a con complain about how Shawna had never picked a story of HIS for Realms of Fantasy...and he brought this up on more than one panel we were on. Talk about making a girl feel great.]

[This message has been edited by Alethea Kontis (edited December 29, 2006).]
 


Posted by Spaceman (Member # 9240) on :
 
The other thing to remember is that most of the elimination is made by one person. That's why I don't feel bad that I got a flat rejection for a story that Stan Schmidt took the trouble to write a personalized response on. Also, that last QF story was a story I was by a Hugo winner seemed amateurish. Which of those two stories should have had the QF finish? the wrong one got it, IMHO.

Still, it's a market that pays very well and with almost 40 stories on the market, I need places to send stories.
 


Posted by ChrisOwens (Member # 1955) on :
 
I am curious, what kind of stories are the judges looking for? (aside from the normal good writing that other first readers look for?)

I know genre has to be evident from page 1, that it can't seem like YA, and the viewpoint character must drive the story. I picked up last years volume and read 3 stories from it, including Eric James Stone's Betrayer of Trees. All 3 had a proactive main character and the genre was evident from the first paragraph. The stories had themes, and I'm guessing there doesn't have to be one the reader will agree with 100%, just as long as there is a theme to the story.
 


Posted by Alethea Kontis (Member # 3748) on :
 
From what I know of KD, she does not like horror. Don't even think of starting you story in a bar, or having elves, or anything cliche or trite. She doesn't like fairy tales (which is why "Sunday" was thrown out with the bathwater). You know not to use copywritten characters, but do yourself a favor and don't even MENTION such things (I once had a Halloween party where someone dressed up like a Star Trek character).

Remember, she is looking for ANY reason to toss your story in the first two pages. Your job is to not give her that reason.

IN MY OPINION (and I can't stress that enough), KD likes fairly concise (5-7K is the optimum word count) "boy stories," and skews towards the SF.

Of course there have been and will be exceptions (even KD can't remember why on earth she picked Steven Savile's "Bury My Heart at the Garrick" except for the fact that she just couldn't put it down...I love Steve's writing, but he doesn't fit her mold at all), but you're more likely to make it through the first round if you read through some of the stories she's picked...and then write one.

But regardless of all that -- if you've got something you haven't sent to WotF, SEND IT IN. Throw it against the wall and see if it sticks. What's the worst that can happen? Another crushing rejection letter?

If you want to be published, you're going to have to get used to that nonsense anyway...
 


Posted by ChrisOwens (Member # 1955) on :
 
I just sent something that might be a bit too lengthy then. I aimed for 5000 words, but couldn't stop until 9500. Then I when I did the real word count, # pages * 250, I was well over 11,000.

To make matters worse, after weeks of proofing, after I had sent it this week, I pulled it up and happened to noticed the one and only phrase in the story I had single quotes. MS Word had made one of the single quotes a 'smart' quote, despite having a recollection of turning them off. D'OH!

That's what I get for (1) trying to send 11K (2) Trusting MS Word.
 


Posted by Alethea Kontis (Member # 3748) on :
 
1.) Don't worry about the "# times 250" nonsense. Worry about the MS Word count. Anything under 17,000 is acceptable, right? You're fine.

2.) In the UK, they use single quotation marks where in the US we use double. As WotF gets submissions from all over the world, something like that might just go unnoticed.

3.) You rock for entering. Good luck!
 


Posted by luapc (Member # 2878) on :
 
Alethea, what you said about what KD really likes is a help. Anything to get closer to winning. I've read all of the winning stories in the anthologies, and have sent in only those stories of mine that I think fit best, with only limited success. I have had one semifinalist finish out of eight submissions though, so maybe I'm getting closer, who knows.

I have been submitting all SF except one story that was Fantasy. The fantasy one was the only straight rejection, and had magical pennies in it. True, an old idea, but everyone whose ever read it said it was really unique, so you may be right. Old ideas probably shouldn't even be attempted, even if it is a fresh and unique take on it.

The funny thing is, that until I read what you wrote here, I was tempted to try another fantasy story, thinking she might prefer that. I guess I won't now, and will continue to stick to SF.

Thanks for the advice!

[This message has been edited by luapc (edited December 30, 2006).]
 


Posted by ChrisOwens (Member # 1955) on :
 
Thanks. And ditto to the last post, that was very enlightening!

The problem isn't single quotes. They are enclosed in double quotes as a character is making a quotation. A throwaway example: "I hear Blob likes to eat Martian lava once its cooled," Super-Amoeba said. "It's in his words, 'Crunchy and lunchy' or something like that."

The problem is that one of the single quotes is slanted (smart quotes) and the other is a normal single quote. I had turned smart quotes off, but evidently it got turned back on. And despite rigorous read throughs and having my wife double check, we both missed it!

This time I decided to write a story without anyone but my wife look at it. Time was a factor, so as an experiment I didn't go through the full crit process, not even the first 13. Of course, if I get a total rejection (aka not quarterfinalist), I'll have learned my lesson.

[This message has been edited by ChrisOwens (edited December 30, 2006).]
 


Posted by Alethea Kontis (Member # 3748) on :
 
The smart quote is not going to kill you.

If it makes anyone here feel any better, of the eight or nine times I submitted to WotF, I only made it to quarterfinalist (not finalist or semifinalist) twice. And every single one of those rejection letters absolutely devastated me.

One of the form rejects was, of course, "Sunday," that sold as-was to RoF. One of the quarterfinalists, "Blood & Water", just won 2nd place in The Harrow's 2006 short story competition. (The other stories haven't sold yet, but give them time.)

Different horses, different courses. I guess I'm just a rare breed, is all. Most unicorns are.

And those of you who do make it to those quarterfinals, don't knock them. I made the mistake of saying something to Kevin J. Anderson about the quality of my short stories obviously being "one step up from crap" and I got smacked for my self-deprecation.

Yes indeedy, folks, it's no small thing to be smacked by a New York Times Bestselling Author.

[This message has been edited by Alethea Kontis (edited December 30, 2006).]
 


Posted by Spaceman (Member # 9240) on :
 
If you consider that my first QF finishing story had four very obvious spelling errors (of people's names) that could easily have been looked up, and four different spellings of another word I'd say the smart quotes probably won't be noticed.

(Yes, I did send them the wrong revision.)
 


Posted by James Griffin (Member # 4665) on :
 
I'm a new writer (and a newcomer to this group) I was happy to hear that my submission 'Loki's War' made it to the Quarterfinals. Putting it in the mail was like pulling a tooth---since I've never submitted anything to anyone before. I don't mind a positive rejection since I'd not be sure anything I wrote had any positive merit. I was so encouraged I immediately posted a second story yesterday.

I hope to learn a lot from this group.
 


Posted by GalaxyGal (Member # 4755) on :
 
Just an FYI for those that might be interested.

I didn't enter anything Q4 2006, but I saw on another forum that K.D. Wentworth has just finished critiquing the semi-finalists for this quarter.
 




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