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Posted by Lynda (Member # 3574) on :
 
My novels take place in the present day, but my heroes are mages. Magic is fine for fighting magical people, but for some reason the other day, I wondered how a mage would deal with someone shooting a gun at him instead of spells. My question is, would magic stop bullets? Not like Superman, by making the mage impervious to bullets, but stopping them by a shield charm or something like that? I have no idea if this concept is going to be in my next novel or not, but since the idea occurred to me (and I haven't come up with a good answer myself yet), I thought I'd pick y'all's brains about it. Thanks for sharing your ideas and opinions!


 


Posted by annepin (Member # 5952) on :
 
I'd have to say it depends on what "rules" you've set for your magic. You certainly could make it possible.
 
Posted by lehollis (Member # 2883) on :
 
Since magic isn't real, it is up to the author to decide how magic works.

Sometimes magic is more scientific in feel, so the mage might make the gun not work, somehow. This might be altering the rules so the powder doesn't ignite anymore, or changing the composition of the powder to jeweler's rouge.

Magic powerful enough to create a bullet-proof shield might feel somewhat like a superhero to many readers.

Subtle magic might just cause the bullet to miss, or even seem to miss.

I watched some episodes of the Dresden Files over the weekend. He has a shield-charm bracelet. He activated it before someone fired a gun at him, and the bullets hit the bracelet, which still hurt his wrist badly. Later, he had it all wrapped up like it was sprained or broken--but he was alive.
 


Posted by KayTi (Member # 5137) on :
 
It would seem rather ridiculous to have a powerful mage able to be felled by stray fire from a drive-by. Unless the idea is to take an old-world/fantasy style mage and have him/her placed in a modern setting and have him suffer gunshot wounds and maybe have to use all his/her power to heal themselves, etc. etc. If fish out of water story is your goal, then that's one tactic. However, for a regular modern-day urban fantasy? I would expect that mages aren't able to be easily felled by bullets. Maybe only if it hits certain parts of their body? Or maybe if the mage is fast enough, he can block them, but if the mage is distracted or caught unawares, he can be hurt/killed. Think ambush.


 


Posted by HuntGod (Member # 2259) on :
 
-added after reading the post before this one-

I find the idea of a powerful mage felled by a stray round very appealing, being powerful or influential does not mean you aren't subject to the same fickleness of fate as the rest of us. The ending of Bakshi's Wizards, comes to mind.

-and back to my original post-


The big thing you have to watch out for when using magic in a modern or rational society is that at some point the scientific method will be applied to it and rules of action and reaction etc will be explored.

Once this happens you need a very solid underlying rational for why things work a certain way, especially if you are going for a realistic feel as opposed to fantastic.

A mage casting a spell that immediately kills the target is not that big a deal, how it kills the target is. Did the spell interrupt blood flow to the brain, which can cause immediate unconsciousness and death rapidly follows. Did he force the targets heart to stop by shocking it or some such.

So long as you have a strong rational and are consistent you will be fine.

Stopping a bullet is not that big an achievement, kevlar vests are obtainable for $500-800 in most cities. A very feasible utilization would be a spell that attracts the bullet, then place the spell on a bullet proof vest or somesuch.

To avoid the bullet entirely I'd probably say it's easier to affect the shooter than the actual bullet. Perhaps a glamor that compels the shooter to shift his aim, rather than something that actually shifts or moves the bullet in flight.

Good luck!

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Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Magic could stop bullets. Like language, magic language, should mutate with the times. (Wars couldn't escalate until there were escalators.) There was once a time when doors had no locks, when they developed, someone created a knock spell, or teleport spell, which you could also use creatively.
 
Posted by Lynda (Member # 3574) on :
 
Thanks for the ideas! I don't know how or if I'll use this idea, but it just came to me - kind of like that scene in Indiana Jones when he stops fighting with the guy who has a sword or something, and just pulls out his gun and shoots him. I like the idea that mages aren't invincible. They're not superheroes, they're just really well-equipped! And I wasn't thinking of a drive-by shooting - I was thinking of a confrontation they came upon - perhaps someone was being mugged, that kind of thing - and wanted to help out. So, I wondered what they'd do to avoid being shot. I really like the idea of changing the gunpowder to jeweler's rouge. That's cool. Thanks!
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Yeah---asking will magic stop bullets is like asking "will my book be 3rd person or 1st?" you just have to decide for yourself, and your decision doesn't have to be exclusively one way or the other, as long as you make it consistent with whatever convention you design.

If you tell me magic can't stop bullets, I'll believe you. If you tell me that it can, I'll believe you. That's what makes magic magic.
 


Posted by RMatthewWare (Member # 4831) on :
 
In Jim Butcher's Dresden Files novels, his protagonist is a modern wizard living in Chicago. He has a charm bracelet that he can focus power into to create a shield that can stop even bullets. The problem is that the power is drawn directly from his life energy (which can drain him pretty quick and thus prevent him from using magic further), also, the energy created from the bullets hitting the shield transfer that energy into heat which builds up on the bracelet, so it can get pretty hot.
 
Posted by J (Member # 2197) on :
 
Seems to me one of the major obstacles with blocking bullets with magic wouldn't be the magic--it would be the reaction time of the wizard.
 
Posted by Grant John (Member # 5993) on :
 
The answer doesn't always have to be one way or another. I thought about the same thing in my writing where I have a rock-paper-scissors of things that beat each other, and science trumps magic, which means if you shoot a fireball at a bullet the bullet will absorb the fireballs heat and hurt you even more. However if you conjure a three metre thick concrete wall between you and the shooter the wall is no longer magic and therefore the bullets hit it and not you.

Grant
 


Posted by hoptoad (Member # 2145) on :
 
Along the lines of RMatthewWare: Why can't they have some sort of charm, amulet or enchantment or something like that, that makes their opponent miss. ie, the first time a bug could fly in the attacker's eye, the next shot they may lose their footing, the third shot they begin to tremble uncontrollably... All of the shots stray wildly from the target and the opponent could disbelieve in the magic should they choose.

This then raises the question of how the 'charm' senses the intent of an opponent of whom the mage may otherwise be unaware. Is the charm sentient or intelligent or sentient and intelligent? This relates to the nature and rules of your magic. What supernatural agency is at work? What role does magic play in your universe?

In my opinion, if you work out the rules for your magic and you will get the answer to your question.

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Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i highly dought anything could stop a .50 unless they were in an arrmered vehicle.

well i would not know. magic is one of those things that noone realy understands. it think it would be able to stop a round depending on the spell cast. there i cant help.

it would also have to do with the Cal of the round. different rounds and Loads will have different velocitys and will react different to different spells i would think.

Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
 


Posted by JasonVaughn (Member # 4358) on :
 
Magic is like technology. It evolves based on it's needs, otherwise it dies out. I think modern mages would develop magic to counter new weaponry as it was developed.

I think the easiest way for a mage to fight gunmen would be if there was some way for him to cause gun powder to ignite in the gun. After a few "Bad guys" lose their hands from exploding guns no one's gonna want to pull a gun on a mage.

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Posted by Lynda (Member # 3574) on :
 
Jason - I like that idea! Thanks! And I'll have to read the Dresden Files - sounds like it would help me figure out some of my questions. Thanks for the discussion, guys!
 
Posted by hoptoad (Member # 2145) on :
 
quote:

Magic is like technology.


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Posted by debhoag (Member # 5493) on :
 
some by products of having magic in the 21st century:

You could change traffic lights
Wouldn't need a lighter to get the pilot light going on the water heater
Elevator would always be waiting
Change channels without a remote
 


Posted by HuntGod (Member # 2259) on :
 
"You could change traffic lights
Wouldn't need a lighter to get the pilot light going on the water heater
Elevator would always be waiting
Change channels without a remote" - debhoag

Depending on how "serious" your magic is these are the kinds of things I might avoid. Assuming there is a realistic cost to the use of magic, why use up that energy when there are perfectly ordinary methods for doing the same. If there is not a significant cost to doing these sorts of mundane things then the items may not even exist. How prevalent and pervasive is the magic in your world? Does the general public accept or condone it's use? Does the general public have access to it?

In a Potterish universe these are fine, but in a world that uses a more unified and scientific approach you are going to have problems.

If they person can generate enough heat flame to start a water heater, they could just as easilly use the ability to start fires elsewhere, including someones gas tank or throat maybe.

If traffic lights can be changed the same "spell" could similarly affect other electronic devices, how exactly does he change the light, is he mentally flipping the timer a la telekinesis?

Elevator always waiting? Because people are flying? Not sure what you meant by this one.

Change the channel without a remote? Again is this being done by telekinesis or actually affecting the electronic device on some base level, which has innumerable other applications if you are able to do this without artifice.

I know you were being tongue in cheek, but if magic is being applied in a modern technologic society you need to apply the same rigors of science to it and at least be aware of the possible ramifications of even the simplest spell.

The same holds true for mundane items, heck MacGuyver was based on making the extraordinary or unexpected out of the mundane.
 


Posted by debhoag (Member # 5493) on :
 
Dude! Dude . . . dude.

The whole list is actually a thinly veiled reference to all the stuff that Darrin didn't like Samantha to do on the TV version of Bewitched. Sigh. Kids today.

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