I mean, for the love of Elbesem, with all the things he says not to start a story with, what is left?
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DO NOT START A STORY WITH DESCRIPTIONI don't care if you're describing a person, place, thing, era, or whatever. I want to read about conflict, not helper words.
So...how do you create conflict without being able to describe, at all....ANYTHING? This is just laughable to me.
Well, the guy said he was in a bad mood when he wrote this, and it shows. Most of it is, to me, "badly" written in such broad strokes and total absolutes as to be nearly useless.
Edit: TaoArtGuy, don't take what I just said to me I don't appreciate your thought in posting this. And some of what is said can be useful, but I disagree with much of it and disagree entirely in the absolute way its presented. It's presented as, and sounds like, a tired frustrated person ranting and that, to me, limits its usefulness.
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I hear that whole "well they are master storytellers so they can get away with it" thing a lot but...thing is...I see a lot of stuff, in pro or semi pro magazines, but written by little-known people, that breaks various "rules" both as far as openings and otherwise.
I mean yeah a lot of the things he mentions are difficult to do effectively. And I realize judging a contest isn't about "hand holding" or whatever...but to me, if your going to give advice about something as intricate and subjective as creative writing, to really be useful, the advice needs to be a bit more in depth. Saying "don't start with description, I dont care of what"...well obviously, theres going to be some description. So, what do you mean, really?
I'm not a big fan of "don'ts" myself, but look at the advice in context: here is a judge from a short story writing contest saying "these things don't work." As with all writing advice, file it away. Each time you see it repeated add a little more weight to the possibility that it is true. I've seen similar things to what he writes pretty often.
I want my writing to come across as fresh and new. Knowing what writers have done so often to inspire a post like the one I linked to helps me do that.
If a voice is in second person direct or implied imperative, it's bound to be a decorum lapse.
About all I got from the blog is someone's annoyed who's bent on chastising writers as the bane of the blogger's existence. Trust or respect are compromised. The message gets lost in the method.
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His last point is the one I agree with the most:
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Are there exceptions to these rules? Of course. There are always exceptions. But I didn't see any in the 2000+ stories I had to endure.
But he doesn't explain why.
For me, these 'rules' tend to be a tool with which I can measure my own work and answer the question: "Is this the opening sentence this story needs?".
I find it hard to imagine starting a story with "Moronville, Ohio was a town of 8371 people originally founded in 1872 by Quakers." I mean, what ending is going to resonate with that?
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But he doesn't explain why.
Thats the trouble. Its a rant. A rant about his being tired of reading so many "bad" stories (in other words, stories he didn't like) and offering up his very brief opinions on story openings. He then tells authors basically to take it to heart...but it isnt really advice, because it lacks the "why" you mention. It lacks any sort of depth at all, making it, in the end, not very useful as advice or guidance. Which he can't seem to decide if it is or isnt meant as.
Anyway, thanks for posting the link.
But as extrinsic says, when you speak in that tone and manner, it often robs you of respect and acknowledgement. You basically cast doubt on yourself by way of your breach of decorum and because you yourself are not being respectful.
In short, again...it just sounds like a burned out irritated person ranting. And thereby not, on its own, necessarily something to be taken to heart without a good sized grain of salt (as written...sure, a lot of what he says is worth listening to, but its hard to get past the grumpy, whiny voice its said in.)
I'm not complaining, but of late I've read a deluge of identical writing law breakers' stories. Not to say they were all entirely unworthy of my vastly more important time use, but I'd have been better served holding court on my porcelain throne in my imperial grass palace. Here's the First Law for all time and for all writers, don't do as I do, do as I command.
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I find it hard to imagine starting a story with "Moronville, Ohio was a town of 8371 people originally founded in 1872 by Quakers." I mean, what ending is going to resonate with that?
Well, if the ending of the story involves the destruction of the town and the death of all its people, then you actually get a certain poignancy from that bare opening.
It's all about context.
Everything else is just a guideline.
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So...how do you create conflict without being able to describe, at all....ANYTHING? This is just laughable to me.
I did a writing exercise a very long time ago in which I was told that I had to write a (very) short story without using a single adjective.
At first, it was frustrating, but as I got into it, I started to get more familiar with just how much power there is in the rest of the language.
I think the article is a definite rant, but you have to admit it has a lot of good points. Starting a story off with something so completely cliche as the weather or waking up, for example, is a bad call unless it's done right. He isn't saying "never do it" -- he's saying that until you're good enough to do it, there are better alternatives.
Bear in mind that as much as you may disagree with him and his snarkiness, you might be hard-pressed to find a judge (much less an editor or a publisher) that isn't in the same mindset. They're looking for the best; if you have two openers, one a bland cliche and the other something more exciting, you're going to go with the latter. He's just ticking off things that are on his list of red flags.
I look at this list and think that it might be a great list of possible writing challenges in which Hatrackers are challenged to start a story (13-line challenge) and make it work.
So there'd be, what, 14 different writing challenges? (Though I have to say that I can see that the grammar one and the exclamation points one could be particularly challenging.)
Anyone game to start some of these as writing challenges? There could be one each month, of the other 12, that would get us through the year.
If we're not dying to press for 12 in 12 months I might find myself available to run one or more of these, perhaps bi-monthly. As well as there being an active challenge running in the forum at the moment, personal writing and other commitments abound, so I wouldn't want to go jumping in with both feet today, per se.
Tomorrow though, is another day...
Here is my dos and don'ts about beginnings.
Do write well. Don't write poorly. Not really helpful, but there it is.
The wind howled unexpectedly, grabbing her cloak and pulling her backwards. She clung to the stone face with all her strength. I must not allow myself be killed this way, she thought desperately. Too many lives are at stake.
OK, maybe it's not the best of beginnings.
I have driven through Pennsylvania on several occasions, and those Quakers must have been a rowdy bunch back in the day. The town names read like single-line summaries of a trashy romance novel. However, I don't believe I've ever driven through Moronville (of course, my wife would probably argue that I live there).
Now back to the regularly scheduled program...
The author of the post declares "I write thrillers." You think that might account for his advice to always start with action?
One of the more interesting comments to that post read "these things are symptoms of bad writing, not causes. A good writer can - and would - break any of them if it served the story."
Still I intend to treat the things he mentioned as warning signs. I can and do sometimes ignore warning signs in my life for whatever reasons, but they at least make me proceed more cautiously.
John woke from a nightmare - he was sure that he would die today. He felt terrible. And I mean terrible!!!!!
It doesn't mean you can't do anything on the list and end up with a good story. But when he says 2000+ stories were all vapid and dull, and Wow! They shared the following points... it may be a good way to diagnose problems in other stories. However, there is nothing wrong with the examples he gave in their own right.
It strikes me as things beginning writers may tend to do alot, and since beginning writers may tend to write less well than not-beginning writers, the list and bad writing have become linked.
Am I making any sense? Correlation doesn't imply causation. And all that stuff.
Yeah, but never let common sense get in the way of a good rant? :)
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It doesn't mean you can't do anything on the list and end up with a good story. But when he says 2000+ stories were all vapid and dull, and Wow!
Vapid and dull in his extremely jaded and at that moment burned out frustrated opinion.
Still doesn't count for much, to me. He succeeded in expressing his particular opinions, pet peeves and how tired he is basically of doing the job he's currently doing, but if he intended any of it as meaningful or useful advice, in my opinion he failed on various levels and for various reasons.
But once again, he and I are coming from entirely different points of view. I see creativity as sacred and strongly desire to encourage people to write (or paint or sculpt or play music or whatever) whereas his deal is based on 1) how burned out he is and 2) notions of some sort of objective standard of "quality" that I don't believe exists outside of each individuals mind.
Interesting to note too that while in the responses he does actually acknowledge that "good" and "bad" are subjective, he then replaces them with "publishable" and "unpublishable" as if those are any less subjective...sure, there are trends. But trends change and even while they exist plenty goes on that doesnt fit them.
Some of what is unpublishable now may become publishable according to changing trends and tastes.
But any slush reader will tell you that there is a LOT of material out there that was never publishable before, is not publishable now, and will never be publishable in the future.
I've fallen into another cliche with my recent stories, I've realized. (It doesn't involve the opening, it involves the nature of the lead character.) I'm stuck with it with this story, but I'll look for somethine else with my next one.
As soon as I realize I'm doing it, I go looking for something else to do. I don't look to do the same thing, over and over again.
(Actually, I was still working with the "waking up" opening thing with my current story, realizing it when I was retyping it last week. So when I got to Scene Two, I wrote [START HERE], a note to myself for the next draft, then put it in boldface type, and wrote on.)
And the fantasy writer's exam:
http://www.rinkworks.com/fnovel/
I only answered yes once on my novel, though a few well, kinda but not really.
Of course, I got to those sites through hatrack, so probably everyone has seen them before.
Perhaps he never read Dean Koontz’ Lightning. Sure, the advice is true, but if you start with weather well, such as in Lightning, it is a fine opening paragraph.
DO NOT START A STORY WITH CHARACTER DESCRIPTION
Concerning this rule, here is the opening of Odd Thomas.
“MY NAME IS ODD THOMAS, THOUGH IN THIS AGE WHEN fame is the altar at which most people worship, I am not sure why you should care who I am or that I exist.
I am not a celebrity. I am not the child of a celebrity. I have never been married to, never been abused by, and never provided a kidney for transplantation into any celebrity. Furthermore, I have no desire to be a celebrity.”
DO NOT START A STORY WITH PREMONITION
Check out the opening paragraph of Dean Koontz’ Dragon Tears. Can you tell I like Koontz?
DO NOT USE HELPER WORDS
Force yourself to pare away every adverb, and half your adjectives. Also kill any speaker attribution other than "said" and "asked."
This sounds like the advice of a beginner. Sure, for the most part, use “said” and “asked,” but please don’t limit yourself to just those tags. No best-selling author does, so why should you?
DO NOT USE EXCLAMATION POINTS!
Especially a bunch of them!!!!!!!
Don’t use a bunch of them, ever, that is true, but you should use them sometimes. Do not follow this advice and never use exclamations points. Try reading stories published in quality magazines, and you will find a few exclamation points, as you should.
DO NOT USE THE SAME FARUQING WORD TWICE IN THE SAME FARUQING PARAGRAPH
Get the faruquing point?
This is really bad advice. Just read about parallelism and study the masters, then you will see just how wrong this advice is.
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Concerning this rule, here is the opening of Odd Thomas.
Come to think about it... I might read on
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I don't think that's the kind of description he's talking about
Good example of how all this stuff is basically a matter of interpretation and perception.
Probably I'm a guy who's looking to put a new spin on something old, rather than go to the effort of coming up with something new.
To a certain extent, about, oh, fifteen-some years ago, I got locked into a kind of story that boiled down to, "Who am I?" I wound up with main characters that (1) others believe were this one particular person, but (2) the main character himself or herself either (a) knew for sure that or (b) did not believe he / she was that particular person.
Why this worked for me, I don't know---probably I was boiling my own life down to "Who am I?" and the idea fit in neatly with that. Two novels, some of my Internet Fan Fiction, and nearly everything since, falls into that.
The later cliche I was talking about above, involved a number of characters who, how can I put this? they had the memories of and often the outward form of a person, but were not that person at all---but they're not villains at all, they're somebody who just got caught in a bad situation, they're intended to be sympathetic. I'm explaining this badly---the details of how it happens vary from story to story---but I think it covers the basics. It kinda segues from my "Who am I?" period as these characters have no idea (or an incorrect idea) of who they are.
I've made some effort to get away from this, but, like I said, the matter must resonate with me in some way---I keep coming back to it. But I'll try again.
But the way Odd Thomas starts is so gripping. He continues on just talking like that for pages before the story finally begins, and I love every bit of it, especially the part about the cat peeing on his shoe.
There are so many interesting discriptions you could start with.
He was an oridinary man, but for his eyes, or rather the fact that he had none. He had two empty sockets. Despite this, most people that knew John, would swear that he could see them. John didn't even use a walking cane. Yup, he was an enigma, alright.
It's probably worth noting that the context in both cases was novels as opposed to short stories where's there's more incentive to get on with things in a hurry.
I am now encouraged to go and look at places where I actually "like" passages that appear to defy the rules-of-thumb and examine carefully what is going on there. And in that effort I've found it more difficult to find/recall those memorable passages that are at odds with the standard list of advice than I would have thought. Maybe someday if I get motivated a stand-alone thread on that topic would be interesting...
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You are a bad writer but an amazing alchemist since you seem to have figured out how to turn poo into paragraphs.
If I ever got a line like that back in a real crit... well, I'd be a little bit crushed, but a little bit laughing my ass off. I do hope that of the many, many places that will reject me without giving much in the way of feedback, at least a few will do it with style.
Also, I hope that on the same day another agent/publishing house accepts my work, because that way I'll be able laugh right away. Otherwise I'll only be able to think it's funny after drowning my pain in beer.
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