Now, when wibbly, or when ill(not drunk ill, but ill as in not well), I have really weird dreams which come out as brilliant ideas for stories but, writing for real is a no-no. If I write when drunk I can write for hours but all I get is gibberish. Though, when I finally give in and go to bed, the dreams I have always get written down (providing they make sense), except those involving Kylie Minogue (something's gotta stay inside the head).
So, my question is: do you lot write when drunk, or do you just write down the odd ideas and see if they make sense later, and what odd ideas did you get when drunk?
Please put down any mistycakes to the home made beer
Edit: I just read that back and it made sense. I need another drink
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I've dreamed Harry Dresden, Honor Harrington, Star Trek-there's an interesting TOS and Borg dream I still mostly remember-Murder She Wrote and one from a book I was reading but I mixed up the main character with a character from a different book. I mean mixed up, my dream MC had characteristics from both "people".
I have written while falling asleep. And that produces gibberish. If I'm hand writing, I can't figure out whole sentences later. If I'm typing it's usually only one or two phrases I can't figure out.
Now as far as dreaming things that are usable, I can't say that story comes to me that way. However, whenever I'm stuck on something, I'll eventually have a dream and it's like the problem unlocks itself. Of course this doesn't happen every single time, and I can't force this kind of "fix" but it's quite convenient when it does.
I've got to say, though, I'm jealous that you get pieces of story when you sleep. Maybe I should start brewing my own beer...
I mean, crappier than the crap I write right now---sober.
She rolled back over. "Well, hurry up and go write your idea down, then." And she went back to sleep. I have a rough outline for Nanowrimo 2010 now.
I must get another writing pad for the bedside table
In the cold light of dawn, however those ideas somehow aren't quite the next great thing, but generally are workable into some kind of shape or a great trigger for something else.
I kept a dream journal for a couple of weeks--wrote down a summary of whatever I was dreaming when I woke up--the instant I woke up (if you don't do that, you'll forget the dream very quickly)--and had to stop because I was too weirded out by what I was dreaming.
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"I kept a dream journal for a couple of weeks--wrote down a summary of whatever I was dreaming when I woke up--the instant I woke up (if you don't do that, you'll forget the dream very quickly)--and had to stop because I was too weirded out by what I was dreaming.
Kathleen Dalton Woodbury "
I don't need a journal to know I dream weird at times.
I remember enough to know that. But at the same time I also remember enough to know my dreams are usually story ideas. I'm either watching it like a TV show or being a character in it. Sometimes the first part is TV but suddenly I'm in it.
A notepad wouldn't do me any good, I don't have a place to put it on my side of the bed and I'm not sure if I could get myself awake enough to do it.
But no, you can't really get drunk and write effectively. So if you're trying to get 500 words or something done I wouldn't suggest drinking, but if your searching for that new great idea having a drink or two can be a lot like dreaming. It puts you into a relaxed frame of mind that can now drift threw whatever your imagination can conceive of. Which I feel is broader than when your mind is in a guarded mode. I've been up against some serious deadlines before, and a drink will calm me enough to let the ideas flow, plus a small lounge bar for me, somewhere classy, has a vibe that really helps my creative juice's flow, I'll never understand the whole coffee shop thing; it never worked for me.
W.
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But no, you can't really get drunk and write effectively.
Speak for yourself . . . .
Write a story sober then the next night write it again after several large measures of home made cider (which I just happen to have a barrel of)
For purely academic purposes of course
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I quite like the idea of using those subconscious echoes that linger in our waking moments for story material. To me, the most memorable reference to this was Mary Shelley's 1831 introduction to Frankenstein, in which she writes
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When I placed my head on my pillow, I did not sleep, nor could I be said to think. My imagination, unbidden, possessed and guided me, gifting the successive images ... vividness far beyond the usual bounds of reverie. I saw - with shut eyes, but acute mental vision - ... the horrid thing stands at his bedside, opening curtains and looking on him with yellow, watery, but speculative eyes.
I opened mine in terror. The idea so possessed my mind that a thrill of fear ran through me...
Swift... was the idea that broke in upon me. 'I have found it! What terrified me will terrify others; and I need only describe the spectre which had haunted my midnight pillow.'
I learned:
(1) Nearly everything I dreamed related in some way to things I'd been exposed to, usually recently. An enormous number of characters from TV shows and books moved through, often in locations where I knew they never were or couldn't ever be. (People I knew populated the dreams about as frequently.)
(2) This immediacy (if that's the right word) convinced me that one theory about dreams was right---that they don't have any deep and inner meeting unless you want them to.
(3) I'm still haunted by some of the imagery I dreamed then, particularly that which has me doing things sinister and evil and shameful.
(4) Some of the "dream guides" I read at the time said writing one's dreams down would lead to so-called "lucid dreaming"---where you actually exercise some measure of control over what goes on in your dreams. I only managed this once during this period (and once long after).
(5) A scribbled-down note made immediately on waking is often [/i]very[/i] hard to read during the day after.
(6) And, in particular, dreams were a useful source for story ideas.
I had to give it up when I entered the working world---I found I didn't have the time to work on it, and, with some three or four months of notes untyped, I let it go. But the experience remained.
Dreaming has been a rare inspirational source for me as all the dreams I do remember are about things that just happened to me in the previous week. I think my dreamer is broken.
Does that mean it works for everyone? Hardly. In fact, if it's a social drinker/toker, it's very unlikely they will produce anything of value.
Why? They aren't accustomed to the experience. And I don't mean just mentally, but physically too.
Stoners or Alcoholics may be able to harness this sense of coherence only because they're so accustomed to the effects.
Furthermore, I feel the need to say, that being an alcholic or stoner does not immediately make one better. It utilizes what one already has. In effect, they could be the same person without the drugs. Though certainly they'd be writing different things.
If you're drunk and have what you think to be a good idea; don't just go "Oh man I'm drunk." No! Take a few seconds to scratch it down briefly.
Yeah, chances are it'll be crap, but I've learned to never underestimate any idea. Drunk, sleeping, or otherwise.
Just my input.
Edited for fantastic mistakes. >.>
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Dreaming has been a rare inspirational source for me as all the dreams I do remember are about things that just happened to me in the previous week. I think my dreamer is broken.
She had gone to her parents' house that weekend. That was a bad morning.
I keep in mind some comments in The Beatles Anthology. They might write a song while high, but when it got down to the studio work, if they were stoned, the end result was...well, Ringo Starr made a pungent comment. Also, when that happened, they had to do it all over again. (Of course they were also regularly smoking pot in the studio once they were introduced to it...)
This is one of those subjects that there is no right or wrong answer.
Everyone has different rituals that get the creative juices flowing. I say if whatever you do that gets the story down and written, more power to you, but as for right or wrongs, that is going to be different for everyone. The important thing is--Can you complete the story and will it get published. Everything else is just the history of it's evolution. Sober-Not sober, doesn't matter unless it hinders you from completing the work. Do what you need to do to get the job done, get paid, become famous, then write your biography and get paid again for all these little details.
Cheers! (Raises glass) May we all become famous writers!
W.
Others get great ideas by brainstorming with friends (we do some of that here, on occasion, and I think it would be cool if we could do more of it here).
Good point, Robert, on the difference in mind states when you get an idea from when you do the writing. Minds are pretty complicated, and I wouldn't be surprised if different parts are involved in different aspects of the creative process.
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They dream fantastic ideas when drunk or stoned...ah, but are they drunk or stoned when they're writing them down? And, if the answer is yes, is the result any good?
I feel anyone can have fantastic and usable ideas while drunk/stoned. Just as likely, terrible and unusable ones. That being said, I feel only the truly accustomed users can actually write well while in such a state.
And again, so I don't have anyone thinking I'm telling everyone to go become a stoner or a drunk: It does not make you any better a writer. It only makes you write in a different manner; perhaps about different things.
This is all of course, my own limited experience.
I actually agree - if you have the patience, and have the peaceful surroundings to meditate, it is a wonderful way to let idea's flow.
When I paint I love to have music or TV going, but when I try and write I love it to be quiet, and all I hear is that internal voice, but I know some writers that say they do better with music on. To me this is to distracting, but again it's ironic that when I'm thinking up ideas, I like music and active environments. I know this is different for everyone - that's all I was trying to point out. I don't drink to write or draw - I drink to relax. The fact that sometimes good ideas come about is purely coincidental.
and I don't want to give the wrong idea - I'll have a glass of wine, beer, or cocktail on occasion - but it's not like - OH! I need an Idea--Time to get drunk! Yeeeh HAA! - For some reason that line just reminded me of that Jackie Chan kung fu film Drunken Master where their kung fu style got better as they drank more .
LOL, A new style of writing to be added - Drunken Kung Fu Writing Style. This could be the name of the a new writing challenge after snappers.
Master of the Drunken Kung Fu - Definition: A Persons whose abilities improve as they drink. There's a Trigger in this.
Funny the things you think of when just ranting.
W.
Once I was writing, and when I came up for air I discovered the cable channel was running a story about a horrific airplane crash---and had been for over a half hour. I hadn't noticed.
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When I have the dream, and the dream is the idea...the dream is not the writing of the idea, nor is it the pulling-together that makes the idea the story. Often as not, whatever I dreamed up doesn't make it into the story itself.
I had one dream idea, where I saw some people walk across my own point of view, the last one being a character from a TV cartoon sitcom of some years ago. (Also not from the one I did fanfic for.) I got the impression that this one was not the character / person, but an impostor, a plant of some kind.
In my waking state, when I actually did the work, I had to think up a number of things to justify the thought---and also see to it that I wasn't writing about the character from the TV cartoon, but a character of my own. In the end, in the story, this character didn't walk across anybody's point of view, and this "anybody" didn't get any impressions---the character / impostor was the viewpoint character in the end. (What the hell...the story's up at my website. It's called "Plant Girl.")
So it's a lot of hard work turning a dream into an idea, and then into a story...
He makes an important point that dream logic is not the same as story logic. They unfold in very different ways, which is why you can never really just transcribe a dream and get a good story from it.
That being said, I have definitely found inspiration from dreams (day dreams and night dreams). Often times it’s the spark of an idea, or an image or scene and an emotion that lingers after waking that leaves an impression on me and I know there is a story to be told from that.
I think that is in line with what many have said already in the thread, late nights writing drunken or dreaming may prove to be a source for inspiration, but when it becomes time for the writing its best to have your faculties about you (unless you are of the drunken master variety).
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