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Posted by Ellepepper (Member # 3520) on :
 
Repost of flag of bones, any better?


The Empire had chased me to the very edge of the end of the world before hauling me back here to Devil's cove, to die. There had been no trial; they didn't need one. The ink on my back, the Shen family crest, was proof enough of my treason. It was the sign of a family long known as pirates, and therefore traitors to the crown.

No one save a blood heir to the Shen name would wear it, and none but the 'king of pirates' as they called me, would wear it so proudly. My braid was pulled forward over my right shoulder so that all could see the damning ink on my back.

 


Posted by Ash (Member # 4615) on :
 
Interesting start. I like it, I am intrigued. But it could be improved if you would put it on action. Instead of "the Empired had chased me to the very edge of the end of the world before dragging me back here to Devil's Cove to die" maybe something like

"The guard forced me brutally through the gate and slammed it in my face 'Welcome back to Devil's cove, pirate scum. Wonder how long it'll be before that nice tatoo is rotting off your corpse?' I flipped my braid back over my shoulder to give the guard a better look at the Shen crest boldly emblazoned onto my back. The symbol was worn only by Shen blood heirs, a pirate clan, and proof enough of treason that a trial had been unnecessary. But only I, the pirate king, had ever dared wear it so boldly..."

I don't know, it's your story, write it however you want, but you can see how it makes it more vivid to put the exposition on the action rather than let it stand alone.
 


Posted by Ellepepper (Member # 3520) on :
 
Well, ok, the only problem is that Jalen and all his command crew are standing in the noose. The only thing at Devil's cove is the gallows, they are not held, they are killed.

I mean, what can you do with your hands tied behind your back and three hundred miles of sea around you?

Besides that, the EMPIRE called him 'king of the Pirates' a title that Jalen has not yet taken for himself. I'll reconsider it, but it isn't lending itself to much more action.

[This message has been edited by Ellepepper (edited February 05, 2007).]
 


Posted by kings_falcon (Member # 3261) on :
 
Sorry but I liked the earlier version better. The writing is clear and nice but I think the hook is lost.

Right now I'm not connected to Jalen at all. You've lost the immediacy of his being in the gallows with a rope over his neck. Tell me that he's standing there and then, for me at least, the rest would work to keep my interest.



 


Posted by wbriggs (Member # 2267) on :
 
Ditto falcon.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I think TATTOO is the word your looking for, Ash.

It's a pet peeve. <shrug>

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited February 06, 2007).]
 


Posted by ColinCohen (Member # 4945) on :
 
I'm new, so I didn't read the first version. But I liked this, and I don't particularly care for fantasy -- even published stuff. But this was interesting.

My one comment is that I wasn't sure what "it" was referring to in the phrase "No one save a blood heir to the Shen name would wear it"
 


Posted by Ellepepper (Member # 3520) on :
 
In the previous part of the sentence they were talking about the 'ink on his back' the Tattoo of the Shen family crest which was enough to warrent a hanging in and of itself.
 
Posted by WetherbyOwl (Member # 4967) on :
 
I know this might be dragging things out a little with re-wrting, but I was thinking:

The Empire had chased me to the very edge of the end of the world before hauling me back here to Devil's cove, to die. There had been no trial; they didn't need one. My family crest, tattooed on my back, was all they needed to prove my piracy, and therefore my treason to the crown. No one save a blood heir to the Shen name would wear it, and they knew that none but the so-called king of the pirates would wear it with such open pride. My braid had been cut so that all could see the symbol of my heritage on my back; I knew that from this height on the gallows the condeming ink was visible to all.

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That way, I think you can keep everything connected in one paragraph. I know I added the "My braid had been cut" but I figured "Pirate = about to die = honorless traitor to the empire= no braid" type of idea.

[This message has been edited by WetherbyOwl (edited February 07, 2007).]
 


Posted by Ellepepper (Member # 3520) on :
 
TY, you may have just solved a problem I didn't know I had. Some of the pirates don't trust him. If his braid was cut, it would only be his word that he didn't cut it... (The story picks up some time after this, but anyone who had seen him at the gallows would know....) Thank you...
 
Posted by WetherbyOwl (Member # 4967) on :
 
Well, you're welcome...I think. I had no idea the extent of my intuative powers.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I love it when people learn new things about themselves here.


 


Posted by Ellepepper (Member # 3520) on :
 
Better?

The Empire had chased me to the very edge of the end of the world before dragging me back to Devils' cove to die in chains. A trial had been unnecessary since I proudly wore the Phoenix and bones of the Shen family across my back.

That mark had damned many men as pirates, and only I, the man they called 'king of the Pirates' would wear that mark so boldly. My braid had been cut short, leaving the mark to be easily seen, and to deny me a resting place with the honored dead.

From the small strip of land where we stood, I knew that the ships behind us could see, and those who couldn't would be told by those who could. This was to be the death of Jalen Shen and his crew. An example to all who took up the black banner.

 


Posted by Max Masterson (Member # 4799) on :
 
This version is better for me. The first one didn't get my attention. This one does. Also it's much clearer what's going on.
 
Posted by Hunter (Member # 4991) on :
 
I like this revision better too. In the other, I got the sense that Jalen didn't want to be a pirate, and that the tattoo was not something he chose to have. The revision shows Jalen takes some pride in being a pirate. I wish you would describe the immediate scene instead of giving background. You say the story begins with him in the noose. There is no indication of that in the first 13 lines. And beginning with your protag in a noose is a mighty exciting way to begin your story. I think what you have here could be inserted in through the course of events.

 
Posted by hoptoad (Member # 2145) on :
 
Hi Ellepepper,

I think your revision is better. I do agree wth ash above the passive voice. There are a lot of 'had's in the piece and that is often diagnostic of passive writing. It feels as though everything is behind him and he's writing his memoirs tucked up safe at home. I think it could be improved with more immediacy and also by personalising certain words a bit more.

For instance, where you say:

quote:

That mark had damned many men as pirates...


Could be improved (IMO) by a simple change:
quote:

That mark has damned many of my friends...

The next line could be used to show us some of his perspective and attitude:

quote:

My braid had been cut short, leaving the mark to be easily seen, and to deny me a resting place with the honored dead.


could be:
quote:

They hacked off my braid to deny me rest among the honored dead.
I laughed at that. I'd rather go to hell and be among friends, anyway.

Clearly these aren't perfect, but I'm trying to illustrate a point. Jalen seems too dissociative, or emotionally removed from what he is relating. It seems to me he should be all fire-in-the-belly. Get tougher and less ornamental. Really let us have it.


Edit: Just realised others had basically said the same thing.

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Posted by Ellepepper (Member # 3520) on :
 

The Empire had chased me to the very edge of the end of the world before dragging me back to Devils' cove to die in chains. A trial had been unnecessary since I proudly wore the Phoenix and bones of the Shen family across my back.

That mark had damned many valiant souls like my father to a shallows grave, and only I, the man they called 'king of the Pirates' would wear that mark so boldly. My braid had been cut short, leaving the mark to be easily seen, and to deny me a resting place with the honored dead.

They hoped to discourage the other Pirates, but the truth was, we all knew the shallows awaited as the price of our so-called treason. I didn't care, as the rope began to chafe, if I died a traitor, but rather, I cared that I would, at least, die free. And that was the point.

 
Posted by kings_falcon (Member # 3261) on :
 
Nice. A nit though - I would move the last line up to the first line and focus a bit more on the rope, but just a bit.

So:

The rope around my neck bit into flesh as if it was eager to get the job done, but I didn't care. If I died a traitor, but rather, I cared that I would, at least, die free. And that was the point. The Empire had chased me to the very edge of the end of the world before dragging me back to Devils' cove to die (from a short drop and a quick stop ) in chains.

Is he really still going to be chained when the push him off? The "in chains" is hard for me to visualize when I know he's about to be hung.

Anyway, this is a huge improvement. You definately have my interest.

 


Posted by DebbieKW (Member # 5058) on :
 
Ellepepper: I liked this latest revision and would keep reading. A nit-pick is that "to the very edge of the end of the world" seems a bit repetitious. Isn't "the very edge of the world" the same as "the very end of the world," so either alone would get the idea across?

Also, "My braid had been cut short, leaving the mark to be easily seen, and to deny me a resting place with the honored dead." This sentence doesn't work, grammatically. I believe you meant to write: "My braid had been cut short to leave the mark easily seen and to deny me a resting place with the honored dead"?

The sentence "I didn't care, as the rope began to chafe, if I died a traitor, but rather, I cared that I would, at least, die free" also needs a little rearranging to make it flow better. I'd suggest at least putting "as the rope began to chafe" at the beginning of the sentence. I also think the sentence might have a tad bit more impact if you cut it into two sentences, like: "As the rope began to chafe, I didn't care if I died a traitor. Rather, I cared that I would, at least, die free." But that's just my opinion.

kings_falcon: a person about to be hung has his hands tied behind his back or otherwise restrained so that he can't stop the 'short drop and a quick stop.' I, personally, don't have a problem with him being in chains, though I'm mildly curious as to why he's still in chains instead of having tied hands since they aren't nearly as restrictive for said purpose.

Or did you (Ellepepper) mean, "The Empire had chased me to the very edge of the end of the world before dragging me back in chains to die at Devils' cove"? As in, he was dragged back in chains but is perhaps not currently restrained with chains?
 


Posted by Ellepepper (Member # 3520) on :
 
Correct, dragged back in chains, to die... etc...

Yeah, I just noticed I needed to work on the wording... But it is getting clearer. The thing is, I don't want the whole point to be the hanging because, as we find out later in the scene he beats the odds and ends up escaping the noose AGAIN. This is his second time.

As to the edge of the End of the World. THe 'end of the world" to them is a real place. "The forbidden isles." He had only gotten to within sight of them therefore he had gotten to the 'edge of the end of the world. A little farther and he would have been free.
 


Posted by trailmix (Member # 4440) on :
 
If the "end of the world" is a place, you can indicate that by capitalizing it.
 
Posted by DebbieKW (Member # 5058) on :
 
quote:
The thing is, I don't want the whole point to be the hanging because, as we find out later in the scene he beats the odds and ends up escaping the noose AGAIN.

Ellepepper, I think most readers will assume that your POV character is not going to die (until proven otherwise). I appreciate that you are trying not to spend too much time on the hanging. However, an event like a hanging is charged with tension, and you can't gloss over it without losing the impact necessary to pull a convincing scene off. This doesn't necessarily mean that you have to get wordy--it's much better if you don't. But I don't think that you need to be afraid that fully focusing on the hanging will somehow diminish what happens after it.

Good luck on revisions.
 


Posted by Ellepepper (Member # 3520) on :
 
Better starting place?

I tried not to figit as the hangman droned on. The noose was already starting to chafe, but I merely arched my back to try and stretch out the kink. The boards under my bare feet were getting slippery as the tide began to come in, and I wondered how long this motherforgotten son of a peacock was going to go on about the venerable Empire.

That same Empire had chased me to the very edge of the “End of the world,” only to drag me back here to Devil’s Cove to die a traitor. I no longer feared the lash or the noose. I’d been a sea captain of ‘dubious means’ for almost two hundred Talon. Most of my life, and now I was within a few measures of time, of being dead, or severely changed.

The fire from the flag of bones they had burned was still

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited February 28, 2007).]
 


Posted by DebbieKW (Member # 5058) on :
 
Mmm. Both have strong points, but I personally liked the previous version better (with the anticipated revisions). I think it'd be more helpful at this point for me to explain the image you are building for me in each version.

In the Feb. 23 version, the tone is a tad distant and I don't feel immediately drawn into the action, but this is a novel. You have to time do that soon after the first 13 lines. The set-up is intriguing. I enjoy the defiant tone of the POV and am ready to settle in for a fun 'noble rogue' Underdog story. I want to know how he gets free. If he doesn't, I'm eager to know who his death so profoundly affects that we have a story spring from it.

In the most recent version, I loved your descriptions. It put me straight into the scene, with the boring hangman, chafing rope, and rising tide. Just wonderful. Unfortunately, you did the description of a bored man so well that _I_ was bored. I got no real sense of defiance or fear. Either the POV isn't the slightest bit worried about being hanged (in which case, why should I be? The excitement/tension is lost) or has no fear of death. Frankly, I don't buy that a man with a noose around his neck isn't the slightest bit worried that his rescue won't succeed in saving him. I also don't buy that the man has lost all fear of death--or, if I do, he's not a character I'm interested in reading about. Even cold-blooded murders waiting on death row (and who are sick and tired of living like caged animals for year after year) fear death. The longer they have to wait while not knowing if they will live or die, the worse the fear gets. One of my death row pen pals isn't entirely sane anymore because of living with that uncertainty.

This is your story, so I hope you'll forgive me for messing with it, but I hope this gives you an idea of what I meant with my previous advice:


I tried not to fidget as the hangman droned on about the glory and might of the venerable Empire. The noose chafed at my neck, and the boards under my bare feet were getting slippery as the tide began to come in. I wondered how long this motherforgotten son of a peacock was going to go on.

What the Empire lacked in cleverness, it made up for with persistence. They had chased me to the very edge of the End of the World, only to drag me back here to Devil’s Cove to die a traitor. I’d been a sea captain of ‘dubious means’ for almost two hundred Talon. I didn't care if I died a traitor. I would, at least, die free.

The flag of bones from my ship had been burned and still smoldered in the distance, like a reluctant Phaeon not quite ready to rebirth.

[This message has been edited by DebbieKW (edited February 25, 2007).]
 




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