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Posted by Matt Van Sneak (Member # 8618) on :
 
Honest critiques/criticisms/comments are appreciated.

PROLOGUE

“What do you see John?” asked the Seeker.
“Shining water,” I replied.
“And where does the water come from?”
“From the sky, from a waterfall in the sky.”
“From heaven?”
“Yes, from heaven.”
“And where does the water go John?” The Seeker held the viewing stone close.
“Everywhere.”
“Everywhere?”
“Yes. All around us.”


CHAPTER I
“Master Podia this is John Shrike. John, this is your Master, Elam Podia." I bowed low as the Seeker introduced me. “Master Podia will be instructing you in history, geometry, writing and geography and will guide you on the path to mastering The Art.” I held my shaky bow, eyes on my dusty boots, content to fall on my face rather than to look into the piercing black orbs of Elam Podia.


[This message has been edited by Matt Van Sneak (edited May 19, 2009).]
 


Posted by MarciusAlman (Member # 8619) on :
 
Oh, for the love of POV, Matt...why are you writing in limited 1st person?

By the way, when are you going to send me this?
 


Posted by Matt Van Sneak (Member # 8618) on :
 
Because it brings the reader into the story. The "I" is instantly relatable.

I'll send you the first chapter. I just got it edited.
 


Posted by phillowe (Member # 8598) on :
 
Matt...glad to see you around here.
I'm working on a crit of that fist chapter still. Sorry its taken so long.
 
Posted by MarciusAlman (Member # 8619) on :
 
I emailed the critique back after reading it last. Loved it as a whole...I would sign on for the long haul
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Quick, first reaction: cut “Master Podia this is John Shrike. John, this is your Master, Elam Podia."

I had to read it twice to figure out who was talking and what was going on. A simple introduction can be handled by stating that it is an introduction (as you did in the next sentence). This formulaic phrase adds nothing except to sneak in the MC's full name.

Next reaction: I am interested and would read a bit more. But, what is sooo intimidating about Podia? Just his eyes? His status? I don't believe it yet.

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Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Welcome to Hatrack.

Here's My take:

quote:

PROLOGUE

“What do you see John?” asked the Seeker.
“Shining water,” I replied.
“And where does the water come from?”
“From the sky, from a waterfall in the sky.”
“From heaven?”
“Yes, from heaven.”
“And where does the water go John?” The Seeker[Male? Female? What does the seeker look like?] held the viewing stone close.
“Everywhere.”
“Everywhere?”
“Yes. All around us.”


CHAPTER I
“Master Podia this is John Shrike. John, this is your Master, Elam Podia." I bowed low as the Seeker introduced me. “Master Podia will be instructing you in history, geometry, writing and geography and will guide you on the path to mastering The Art.” I held my shaky bow, eyes on my dusty boots, content to fall on my face rather than to look into the piercing black orbs[He doesn't have eyes?] of Elam Podia.


1) This begins with floating-head-syndrome. I have no bearings.

2) I have no idea of what time period this is supposed to be in. Nothing in the clothes or mannerisms tells me.

3) I can't picture anything, except a pair of dusty boots. Where are they? In the mountains? On the Plain? On a Snowy Tundra? Steppes? In a temple? An underground bunker?

4) Where's the sign of conflict/danger? Is it to be between John and Elam Podia?

While it's true you have some room with novels to develop this, there are words that resonate with danger and movement, which you are not using.

5) I don't have a feel for any of the characters, nothing to cling to.

Though I realize that you can't flesh 3 characters out in 13 lines, you can give us an indication of how John sees them. Since this is first person, we should automatically be brought into John's thoughts and feelings (which tells us whether John is a likeable character or not by his expressions), and this lacks that crucial aspect.

Good Luck with this and I hope this helped.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
How important is your prologue to the overall plot arch? That was the part I had the hardest time connecting with. It doesn't seem to tell me anything absolutely essential to the story that couldn't be worked in later - his new master could ask him those questions, for example, or he could flash back to it after a chapter or two. IMHO, this would be more solidly rooted in reality, and more exciting, if you skipped the prologue.

 
Posted by Matt Van Sneak (Member # 8618) on :
 
Thanks everyone, I really appreciate all the help. I'll try to shed some insight on the intro. Please don't think that I am in any way attempting to disregard your observations. I value them. It's just that I see your questions and get an urge to answer them.

Mrs. Brown-"Quick, first reaction: cut 'Master Podia this is John Shrike. John, this is your Master, Elam Podia.'" The MC's last name comes in to play about a half a page from this line and is referenced by Master Podia as we find out more about who John Shrike is and where he comes from. Removing the line makes the mention of his last name abit jarring later when it suddenly shows up with no explanation as to why Master Podia would even know. It becomes conjecture.

IB- I'm pretty sure I've seen you over on Absolute Write unless there is another IB out there. I particularly liked your questions because they are exactly the ones I want my readers to ask when they read the intro (especially 2, 3 and 4). I want them to ask those questions and continue to read as I answer them. Also, appreciated the point about John's thoughts and feelings. Oh yeah, changed "orbs" to "eyes". I have a bad habit of not wanting to repeat words in the same line.

Kitti-Without the prologue, without John testing positive for the Lucent Sight, there's no reason to continue a story with him in it. His ability to see what he does makes him special and is the reason he was brought to Master Podia to be trained.

Thanks again everyone. Please don't hesitate to post more ideas/questions/critiques.

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Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Don't use "eyes" twice--it's redundant in 1st person anyway--break it up:

I held my unsteady bow, staring at my boots. Rather than gaze into the dark. piercing eyes of Elam Podia, I was content to fall on my face.

"into his black eyes* made be think Elam had been beat-the-hell-up.
 


Posted by mythique890 (Member # 8586) on :
 
This may not be constructive, but I really liked it. If I'd picked it up in the library or a bookstore, I would've been hooked. It was refreshing... I've been having a hard time getting hooked lately.
 
Posted by Matt Van Sneak (Member # 8618) on :
 
IB-"*into his black eyes* made be think Elam had been beat-the-hell-up."

That's why I included the word "piercing" to inform the reader that it was Podia's gaze (rather than the actual, physical orbs that float around in his skull) that was being considered. Thanks for your continued help.

mythique-Thanks for the feedback. It was constructive. Your opinion is greatly appreciated.

*changed "piercing black eyes" to "the old master's piercing gaze."

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Posted by MarciusAlman (Member # 8619) on :
 
Hey bub...first things first...give me Chapter 2 if you have it and then rewrite Chapter 1 into 5-6 chapters. I was left wanting more detail. You actually plotted it out very well..it just needed more fleshing out. It was awesome.

Also, I would agree with everyone on the Prologue being a bit...vague. Having read the chapter in whole, I thought I understood what was happening, but it was conjecture.

You know of my love for Wheel of Time, but Jordan's prologue in Eye of the World was very confusing. When I first read it, I was severely confused. Now, after knowing the arc of the series, I love the glimpse of the Breaking, but then...it threw me. I think the same is true here.

In truth, I would love to see you start with the meeting of the two character - the Seeker and the MC. Then, when the events that you plotted in the chapter you sent me actually occur, it would have an emotional impact.

Keep pounding on it...

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Posted by Matt Van Sneak (Member # 8618) on :
 
Marcius,

I have been adding to chapter one in places.

Chapter two is coming along, though slowly. There some inportant pieces I have to place.

Here's some info: I had to get John out of the Blackspire because I don't want him to know how to use The Art. I want him to know as little as possible about the incredible power he is capable of using.

Instead of learning about the omniverse he inhabits through lessons, books, research and various other info dumps he is off to experience the world first hand. Why read about the infamous Leorend when the legend himself is out there somewhere plotting the destruction of the Telek Confederacy?

As for expanding on the first chapter, that will have to happen during a rewrite. Right now, I'm just trying to get it all down before it leaks out of my head and makes a mess on the floor.

Thanks for all the help. I appreciate it.
 


Posted by Collin (Member # 8522) on :
 
I was left wondering where this was taking place. I got the feeling in my head that they may be in Podia's office. Perhaps in his classroom. Although this might not be what you wanted your reader to picture. I realize that you may set the scene a little ways on in the chapter, but it might be a good idea to let the reader know what sort of place they're being dropped into, before any dialogue. for example, "I was forced to stop serveying the small, wooden-paneled classroom as the Seeker introduced me, "Master Podia this is John Shrike........"

But this is just my opinion. I hope I helped at least a little.

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Posted by Matt Van Sneak (Member # 8618) on :
 
How does this strike you Collin?

I stood in the Blackspire’s wide Receiving Hall nibbling my lower lip nervously. Pale light emanated from the very rock of the ancient tower bathing the two men standing before me in a soft, white glow. “Master Podia this is John Shrike..."

I think I like it better.
 


Posted by mythique890 (Member # 8586) on :
 
Are you looking for people to read your first chapter? I'd really like to, if you are.
 
Posted by MarciusAlman (Member # 8619) on :
 
Matt,

It would be easy to keep John in the dark about his ability. Have them teach him the history and geometry...but not the Arts. He would be frustrated and it would make great drama...plus, he could make little discoveries...

Come on...write this the way I want it...


 


Posted by Collin (Member # 8522) on :
 
Perfect.
 
Posted by Matt Van Sneak (Member # 8618) on :
 
mythique,

Sure, I'll send you the first chapter. Just keep in mind it's a first draft.
 




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