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Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
(Feel free to add.)

My hair gel smells like hamster feet.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Sour Cream Enchiladas taste better the second day.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Things taste better when they're going down than when they're coming back up.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Damn Pockets.

sox always get lost in the dryer.


RFW2nd
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Paris smells like wet limestone (or so I'm told).
 
Posted by Meredith (Member # 8368) on :
 
A pox on pharmacies that can't fill a prescription in seven hours.

AND make you wait in line 45 minutes to tell you it's not ready after seven hours.

[This message has been edited by Meredith (edited February 02, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Damned the naked midgets for throwing little pickles at me!
 
Posted by AmieeRock (Member # 8393) on :
 
I can't follow that one, except...

Send the pickle throwing midgets to the IRS, they deserve to be pickle-targets!!
 


Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
I don't like Mondays.
 
Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
The sun put on a ghastly robe
of great and terrible snakes
swirling forth as if to mark their joy
at the death of an enemy demon.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
The IRS does the best it can with the laws Congress enacted. Send the pickle-throwers to Congress.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
It's not my fault I didn't do anything productive today... Wikipedia is an event horizon. (I learned that on Wikipedia.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ant spray doesn't get rid of the ant problem, it just makes the ants move to another part of the house.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Blame doesn't get rid of the problem, it just makes the problem move to another part of the house.

(Take that IRS)
 


Posted by Joseph Forrest (Member # 8460) on :
 
soap
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
lol
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Why put a bumper sticker on the back of your car, that tells the world you're crazy?
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I posted this once in a more serious thread, but this is a real pet peeve of mine:

How is it that I can go to a fast food restaurant and get a king-size drink, a large, and a medium, but I can't get a small drink?

Does anyone know what the word medium means? (pun unintentional)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, there's the story of, during the Cold War, when the Russian government ordered some...well, that's probably too raw and raunchy for right here...

I'll just type in the punchline.

"...and, printed on every one, was the word MEDIUM."
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I'm not sure I get the implications you are suggesting. The only thing that comes to mind, with that word possibly printed on it, is in relation to something that could be affected by the cold and tends to drive men to buy very large vehicles. Am I on the right track?
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Yeah it's kinda unclear. I took it to mean prostitutes.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Zero, I've never met a prostitute, in the familiar sense, however, I do not believe they come with the word medium printed on them. Now, if you are referring to...

(I better stop there)
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
You try to do something silly and pointless, and it will be derailed by people arguing over the meaning of words they can't say.

 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Down is easier than up. Except in an elevator. Then it takes about about the same amount of effort. (push)
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Yes you'd better stop there, lol.

And shim, I love the elevator quote!
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I apologize, shimiqua.

On to another musing: I recently found out that water doesn't really go down the drain in the opposite direction south of the equator. The direction of the water's spin is determined solely by the position of the spicket, the tilt of the bowl, and other variables such as air currents and imperfections. Is that random enough?
 


Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
There are currently thirty-seven species of insects within my sight and it is far colder out here than I am comfortable with. Florida isn't even that cold. I am a wuss.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
The cold I can handle, but the insects I could do without.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
If you ever become a Zombie, don't walk around with your arms held out in front of you - its a dead giveaway.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Nice pun, tnwilz.

Florida does feel colder than colder states. I'd rather be in 30-degree Colorado than 50-degree Florida.

Salt actually removes some of coffee's bitterness.
 


Posted by Joseph Forrest (Member # 8460) on :
 
My wife doesn't let me have any of the money I go to work to make. I'm probably better off because of it.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Never go out in the woods in hunting season, 'cause the woods are filled with cuckoos.

*****

As for my joke---well, obviously, it's not really mine---if you're motivated enough to look it up, it's joke #303 in Asimov Laughs Again.
 


Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
The more time I waste, seems the less time I have to waste.
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
so a priest, deacon, and teacher walk into a bar...

and the bishop says "I can explain."
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ever gotten into serious trouble for doing something exactly the way you've been told to do it?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I can't find my glasses anywhere
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
my favorit bumper sticker i have ever seen

Keep Honking i am reloading.

and

My other auto is a .45 COLT ACP

dose Chcuk Norris ever quit being funny? the poor man has over 2000 jockes about him.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
I can't find my glasses anywhere

Have you tried the top of your head?

*****

If management would only admit the machine didn't work, it could be ripped out and we could get on with our lives.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Have you tried the top of your head?

Nope, my head is way too big for them to be up there.

I found under the kitchen table. Damn cat.


 


Posted by Patrick James (Member # 7847) on :
 
A lot of randomness going on here. I won't add to it. I prefer to pepper my randomness where it doesn't belong.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My favorite French Fries are those I make myself.
 
Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
In FLorida it can be too hot and too cold in the same 24 hour period.
 
Posted by Meredith (Member # 8368) on :
 
The brains of male dogs are different than the brains of female dogs. Female dogs are always thinking. Male dogs' brains have a cut-off switch somewhere. When the right stimulus is applied--not just female dogs in heat, also squirrels, cats, the wind blowing in the wrong direction, etc.--the cut-off switch is activated and the male dog's brain ceases to function.

There has to be a lesson in there, somewhere.
 


Posted by Meredith (Member # 8368) on :
 
On the flip side, (just to be fair) male dogs are sweeter than female dogs. A female dog's brain is always working. They have their own agenda--often world domination. (There's a reason they're called 'bitches'). But male dogs just want to cuddle and be loved all the time.

Male dogs are also more sensitive than female dogs. You can tell a female dog 'No' and she'll just flip you the paw. Male dogs act like the world has ended. They also need to be told that they're good dogs a lot more often than the bitches.
 


Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
I make perfect jasmine rice...perhaps I am a tenzo at heart.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ignore previous message; everything may yet be all right.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
hit any key to continue

PS: my brain is now always off, until around may it will come back on. i blame ther werewolf side of me for that.

RFW2nd

[This message has been edited by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (edited February 10, 2009).]
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I do too.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"Hit Any key to continue?" Where's the Any key?
 
Posted by Patrick James (Member # 7847) on :
 
To the left of the 'Are you sure?' button.

 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
LOL

 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
I bet there are prostitutes who will also work as mediums. Probably.
 
Posted by Patrick James (Member # 7847) on :
 
Fill me in on how that would work, tnwilz.

 
Posted by sjsampson (Member # 8075) on :
 
I wish the chess game hadn't ended so I could lurk in the "Logical Fallacies plus a Chess Game" thread some more.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Just trying to tie together some loose ends from earlier in the thread.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I'm always up for another game if there are any takers.

e4
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Not to hijack. If anyone accepts my open challenge make a new topic.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
In the immortal final words of Socrates: Come, Mister Tally-man, tally me bananas, daylight come and me wanna go home.
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
ah, socra... wait, what the hell? thats... someone else.


 


Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
Yeah - HEY! Wasn't that the same guy that sang....

"Shake, shake, shake sonora?"


 


Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
i think so.

oh, well. its just another day in paradise. cause you cant hurry love, your an easy lover, I wish it would rain, and were living seperate lives.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Tie me kangaroo down, sport.
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
O.o

that was... ok... hehe... he...

buy it use it break it fix it write it quick rename it...

or, work it harder makes us better do it faster makes us stronger.
 


Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
working hard -....is that with arms of thunder...like the man from down under? ooooo OUTBACK....


WHO WANTS STEAK?!?!
 


Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
ooh, ooh, Me!

through the fire and the flames...

comes a steak!
icecream actually tastes good with ranch.

Im in arizona, so everything tastes good with ranch.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Random musing:

It irritates me when people use the word anxious when they mean eager.


 


Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
I'm stuck in California - and it's not nearly as pretty as that silly hotel they sing about but I sure as heck can't ever leave...
 
Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
remember storms iterfere with signals
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You could move to Kansas City. I hear they've got some crazy little women there.
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
japan, my friend. go to japan.


ah, hotel california...
 


Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
If I wanted really strange I'd just go back to the East Village in the CITY.

If I wanted dangerous (which would be great research for my cyberpunk novel I need to do yet another edit on) I'd go home to Detroit.
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
If I had a dime for every nickel I've spent.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, that'd make up a lot of pretty pennies...
 
Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
pancackes or eggs? I'm hungry...
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Pancakes, but I hope you've eaten already.

quote:
In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"


 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Wouldn't that be the "mortal" words?
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
who knows.

do violent video games give violent kids an outlet?
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I hate poop in the bath tub. Baby's in the bath are like ticking time bombs. You know one the days their gonna do it but when it hits you're never ready.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I had to erase all my browsing history because my laptop frustrated me. My easy access to my favorite sites like hatrack were gone and I had to dig up an old email to find my way back here.

the one good thing is that Dice War, that the evil Crank put up on a previous Grist for the Mill thread is now gone. I know he put it there so I would be hopelessly addicted to it.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
If you could only have one version of "The Wreck of the Old 97" to listen to, which one would you pick?
 
Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
UFOs sank the Edmund Fitzgerald and the Titantic!
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
and helped build the pyramids and the great wall of china.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
and secretly are working with America to fight the terrorists.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
lol that sounds like the makings of a really campy story
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
and run cleaner than most sportcars.
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

quote:
the one good thing is that Dice War, that the evil Crank put up on a previous Grist for the Mill thread is now gone.

I'm thinking about sending an email virus to the person who showed it to me.

The funny part about how I broke my addiction to that damned game is that my video card fried, and it took a few days longer than it should have to get it fixed. By the time my PC was back to 100%, I was so far behind on my real work, I didn't have time for games; and, by the time I caught up, I completely forgot about Dice Wars.

So, Snapper, I would like to thank you very much for reminding me about it. What's your email address?

S!
S!...C!


 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Maybe instead, you could send snapper a link to some other addictive online game. Much better than a virus.
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
send snapper sudoku. or an invitation to join one of those myspace games... those are so annoying.


but addictive.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Yes, I have one of my best friends in college, who seems to be refusing to email me, but keeps "kidnapping" me in some game he is playing. I am now ignoring him - at least until he decides to respond to my emails.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
So, Snapper, I would like to thank you very much for reminding me about it.

Tiergan already sent me his thanks/curses for reminding him about it. Says he has a great story in his head but is now addicted, again.


 


Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
I dyed my hair black once. I've permed it twice in my life. Had bleeched spikes three times. But I've never shaved it all off.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Never got into computer gaming of any kind...computers weren't a part of my life when I was young and open to influences...when I finally broke down and got a computer, the few games I've tried out were either (a) ones that came with the computer, or (b) associational with something else I was interested in, like a TV show.

I know so little about these things that I don't even understand what philocinemas is talking about...
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Robert, I don't quite understand it myself. It is on Facebook, and it appears to be some version of "Tag" or "Gotcha", which used to be popular on college campuses in the 80s.
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
Robert, I got three letters for ya: RTS. (real time strategy) the most awesome thing since sliced bread.


why is there a "download" feature for a weight gain program?


Ill only eat a peanut butter jelly with creamy peanut butter, grape jelly, wheat bread of only one kind of brand, and only with the jelly side on top. wierd, huh?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Still at a loss. I've never even looked over anything at Facebook---I'm not even certain how to do so.

*****

I'll try another random thought, kinda associated with it.

When you see someone talking on a cellphone at two in the morning, is it right to wonder just who they could possibly be talking to at that hour?
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Their child or spouse oversees. Their hospitalized friend, who was tired of sitting in a strange place alone. Their alcoholic cousin who'd been arrested again. There are lots of possibilities at 02:00.
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
if a wannabe black guy is a wangster, a wanna be mexican is a wexican, whats a wanna be white guy?

any suggestions?
 


Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
Why won't these voices go away? (Oh yeah, that's right their called characters, I'm a writer.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
But every day, in and out, at two AM? Perhaps I'm mystified, because I don't even like to talk on the phone...
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
hmmm.... its the govornment. dont get involved or you will have to wear a suit for the rest of your life and always have to put glasses on when you show someone a pen.

lol.


where did Nintendos 1-63 go? why start at nintendo 64?
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
where did Nintendos 1-63 go? why start at nintendo 64?

Man, time for Mom to kick you out of that basement, DL. N64 was what, three, four, gaming systems ago?
 


Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
jerk. its just that I still have mine... (I only play Ocarina of time on it, though.) and I looked at it and it made me wonder.


ok?

not-so-random thought: why do people always assume a reference to an old system denotes an out-of-touch person?

no offense, I just like the classics is all.

[This message has been edited by dreadlord (edited February 26, 2009).]
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Wow. That was an astounding amount of emotion over a friendly gaming system joke.

Continuing the topic of jokes:
A turtle walks up to a tree, sighs, then begins to climb the trunk and out onto a branch. Spreading her limbs wide, she jumps... and lands in a pile of leaves. She crawls out of the leaves to return to the trunk and repeat the process.
On a nearby branch, Momma Bird turns to Daddy Bird and says...
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Just
Establishing
Repartee with fellow
Komrade

Instead of throwing out another witty, innocent, but emotionally charged, comment, let me apologize.

Sorry.

quote:
On a nearby branch, Momma Bird turns to Daddy Bird and says...

"Should we tell her she's adopted?"


Dreadlords harsh reaction has me down. A game of Pong should bounce me out of this mood.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There's the monk who took a vow of silence, only to be permitted to speak once in twenty years. When that time came, he only had one question to ask: "Where's the toilet?"
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Random musing:
Every productive hour spent on my computer requires at least 2 totally worthless hours staring at the screen.
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
my bad.. I kind of take those things VERY intencely...

 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Okay then, How about a serious reason why they went right to N64.

Computer memory works on a binary system. All sizes of memory, computing power, that sort of thing, is done on exponential powers of two. The Nintendo system operated on a 4K processor, Super Nintendo 16K, square that and you get 64K. Get it? Nintendo 63 would be incomplete. It's like choosing to use multiples of nine instead of ten.

That explanation isn't totally correct but it's close enough. The real explanation makes most people's head explode.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Snapper, I had to laugh at myself when you made the N64 comment. For a couple of years, in my mid-twenties, I moved back to my hometown and lived in the downstairs apartment of one of parent's houses, and I bought a Nintendo 64. Scary...I know.

In my own defense, I did pay rent, and it was the first gaming system I had owned since my Atari 2600 back when I was a teenager in the 80's. Unless you count my Commodore 64 that I had during college.

dreadlord, I still have my N64 too. Zelda is still a great game, as is Mario 64. I still play them every once in a while with my 6 year-old. And as for the other part, I moved out of my parent's basement about 15 years ago.
 


Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
yes! I am not alone!


hmmm... Mario 64... Im gonna have to try it now.


we all cool here?


by the way, why two "a"s in aardvark?
 


Posted by Patrick James (Member # 7847) on :
 
Because the aardvark is a very insecure creature requireing as much attention as it can get, it has named named itself thusly to ensure its place in aphabetical listing.

Even the most casual of browsers will come across it.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
ADHD is a very serious problem in our day and age with ... what is that over there? Ooh shiny.
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
where? by the dull thing?


butterfly...


LOOK! A DISTRACTION!

[This message has been edited by dreadlord (edited February 27, 2009).]
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I'm shocked! ADHD is not funny, it's...lol, funny comercial.

[This message has been edited by satate (edited February 27, 2009).]
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
My husband is kind. He's said my "mind fidgets."

"Oh give me home,
Among the gum trees,
With lots of plum trees..."
 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

As someone with ADHD, it's very much like some pharmaceutical company depicted in a commercial several years ago, where the mind behaves just like TV channels changing constantly, yet you don't have control of the remote.

My problem is that my mind seems to spend too much time flickering between the Procrastination Channel and FOIC-TV (Fixate on Irrelevant Crap).

Oh...by the way, the ADHD distraction jokes aren't even funny because and then my kids are taking me out for Buffalo Wings for my birthday tomorrow.

S!
S!...C!



 


Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
I wish I were an Oscar Meyer weiner....
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
LOL Crank you had me laughing at the end. I was worried for second that we'd offended someone.

Oh, and my husband says we're all nerds. LOL, he doesn't have room to talk because he's a computer geek and discusses Star Trek at work.
 


Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
I've done far worse than your husband....

I've played Axis & Allies and Dungeons & Dragons at work. And my boss knows I keep the poker set in the trunk of my car....


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The only game I have access to at work is the NY Times crossword puzzle---which I bring myself.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
There is a drug that will help a person deal with their ADHD problem. It's called pot. You smoke tons of it and you won't care anymore.
 
Posted by melme54 (Member # 8482) on :
 
Just to clarify if anyone still cares: It was Nintendo64 because of the 64 bit graphics chip.
 
Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
I really want to find a 10 quart crock pot...
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Oh I thought it was called Nintendo 64 because that's what it would eventually reduce your kids IQ to if you let them play it as much as they want to.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Tracy, that may be the funniest thing that I read on these forums.

I salute you.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Gee...I just thought they named it "Nineendo 64" because sixty-four was a multiple of two..
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
why does your sister always seem better at hiding things than you?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Necrophilia is a bad idea: you're in love and she doesn't know you're alive.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Have you noticed how natural selection, in the face of modern science and technology, has drifted us away from choices that are actually in the interest of continuing the species? Like how we rescue a person who swallows fifty marbles <i>and</i> let him procreate. Or how women universally find bald men less attractive even though they are more likely to produce offspring (though I might contest this finding). Or how we eat lots of sweets and cake because they taste better than vegetables, even if the end result is diabetes and heart-disease. etc.
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
Rob, that was hillarious! where did you find that?


a dyslexic athiest insomniac is someone who stays up late at night wondering if there really is a dog.
 


Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES!!!!!!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Rob, that was hillarious! where did you find that?

It's a modification of something I read in The Big Book of Death.

*****

Then there's the story of the frustrated necrophiliac, who solved his problems by becoming the coroner.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I liked yours too, dreadlord. Except he'd be an agnostic and not an athiest if he were wondering about it.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Where's the rest of me?
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Atheists tend to question, which is how they know they're atheists. Agnostics tend to believe humans cannot understand God, if it exists; therefore, they don't see the point in asking themselves theological questions.

Does honking at a field of cattle as you drive past mean you're desirous of inter-species interaction?
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Yes, yes it does.

~Sheena
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I very much disagree, aspirit.

Atheists believe there is no god. Agnostics admit they do not know.

There are degrees of dedication to either ideology. But if you want to see atheists in action you see people like Penn and Teller and Richard Dawkins who announce with certainty that "there is no god," that's what atheism is.

Agnosticism is someone who admits they don't know. Or think it can't be known. Or that it isn't known yet.

And a religious person is someone who, like the atheist, believes that they know the answer--they just reach a different conclusion.

[This message has been edited by Zero (edited March 05, 2009).]
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Greek:
prefix - a (against, without, opposite of, un-)
-gnostic (knowing, knowledge, one who has unique spiritual knowledge)
-theist (one who believes in one or more gods)
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
So I'm lost, what happened to the dog?
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
The dyslexic never brought the dog home.

An agnostic is someone who admits they don't know and either thinks it can't be known or that it isn't known yet.

Atheists don't believe there is a god, which is different than believing there is no god. While many atheists believe there is no god, most of atheists I know continue to question. Which means the second group admits there could be a god; they simply don't believe there is.

Therefore, the acceptance of questioning is a line between an agnostic and an atheist.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"A man who doesn't believe in God will believe in anything." G. K. Chesterton (I think).
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I think you're reaching, aspirit. You said:

"Atheists don't believe there is a god, which is different than believing there is no god."

But those statements are logically identical.

Let's break it down.

Condition 1: there is a god
Condition 2: there is no god

Conditions 1 and 2 cannot be simultaneously true or false.

Athiests believe condition 2 is true. Theists believe condition 1 is true. Agnostics refuse to answer the question.
 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

quote:

Agnostics refuse to answer the question.

Not entirely...at least, from my vantage point. Many agnostics would very much like to know the answer to the 'god' question, including me (making the uncertain assumption that I will still be classified as 'agnostic' in the mind of those who read this essay).

I grew up in an environment where people regularly spouted: "There is a God because the Bible says so!", and was later subjected to an environment replete with "There isn't a God because (fill in the blank)" diatribe. Blame it on the scientist in me, but I got fed up with both sides' insistency of proclaiming the rest of the world was wrong, despite the fact that they couldn't prove themselves right.

Allow me to add this: Those who simply believe the way that is most comfortable for them are OK with me; blind faith, as much as I might inherently recoil from it, is still more tolerable---and a heluva lot more workable---than blind assumptive dogma.

I've since come to the conclusion that I'm wise enough to know that I am not nearly intelligent enough (nor is the rest of the human species) to completely understand how the Universe operates (regardless of whether it's God, or Fate, or some other 'entity,' behind the wheel). But that doesn't stop me from wanting to figure it out.

S!
S!...C!


 


Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
wow... one joke and it spawns a heated argument...

(i feel doubly foolish now... maybe I should stop posting on this subject...)
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Eh, I didn't figure it was heated. After all, this topic is supposed to be random, right?
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

Perhaps, the dyslexic dog would like to play a game of Dice War...

S!
S!...C!


 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Do you think we could get this thread up to a 1000 replies? I wonder what the record is...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A professional writer carefully blocks out time to write, until everything is ready and the writing mood is upon him and he's rarin' to go, and then he sits down at the word processor, then leans forward, and gets up and makes a pot of coffee.

Writing is what happens when he can't get any more coffee and needs money to buy some.

(I'm crediting Theodore Sturgeon with this one, though I've adapted it for modern times.)


 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I must be so close to being a professional writer then--all I've got to do is stop brewing licorice tea and start brewing coffee. Who knew it would be so easy?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Of course with Starbucks's plans for a franchise on every street in the world now on hold, brewing your own seems a better option.

I don't drink coffee...keeps me awake...
 


Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
I dont know... I once saw a thread get to page twelve. (it was something about star wars.)

but that was a long time ago. back in the Survivor era. we now live in the IB era.)
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Iberia?
 
Posted by dreadlord (Member # 2913) on :
 
lol. nice one, IB.


lets keep up the posting! break the record!

maybe we should have a specific forum for records... (longest post, most helpfull critiquer, person with the most topics posted... stuff like that.)

but who would regulate it? and what would the rules be?

my random thought.
 


Posted by drake the thall (Member # 8042) on :
 
to be or not to be, is that really the question?

death is the end, or a new beginning. it is horrible and beautiful, all at once. so strange, that we have no difference in the long run. only great men become immortal. Hitler, neapolion, alexander, ceaser, washington. they earned the title of immortals, somehting we can never hope to do.

100 years from now, you are either great or dead.

and so conscious makes cowards of us all.

Hamlets screwed, isn't he? After all hes done, god won't except him, and mankind will slander him.

now im depressed...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Didja ever have one of those days?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hey, doesn't the guy in the Issue 11 IGMS banner look like Mike Huckabee?
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
And is that McCain trying to get back in?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Don't you people know anything? The guy up top is IB. I recgonize that scowl anywhere.
 
Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
*raises a eyebrow*
 
Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
*raises a flag*
 
Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
*raises a child that raises too many questions so gives up and goes back to writing stories*
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
No, the hair is all wrong. And there's no scraggly-arsed beard.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
Hey, doesn't the guy in the Issue 11 IGMS banner look like Mike Huckabee?

And Richard Nixon.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
quote--- There is a drug that will help a person deal with their ADHD problem. It's called pot. You smoke tons of it and you won't care anymore.---end quote

damn right i hear that the goverment is going to legalise it. YEEEAA

i finly figured out how to set the time on the microwave. it took me 6 months to do so but i got it.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
i finly figured out how to set the time on the microwave. it took me 6 months to do so but i got it.

Egads! Aren't you stationed at a missile range, RF? Six months, huh? Sounds like the time change fixed it for you.


 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i am at White Sands Missile Range Nm. i cant beleave it has been 6 months already Oct to March. man how time flys when on meds (for my arthritis its a mild narkodic) man i love the missile museaum. i went there one night slightly drunk and picked a few locks and walked in the navy gun housing on display, climbed alL over the F-4 they have there. Good times, Good times.

anyone feel free to drop in i live at 411 zuni dr. just dont show up after 2100 on week days i will already be in bed. and any time on week ends is goood. just dont kick my room door in i sleep with 2 swords and a 1911a1

RFW2nd
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
You know you're a writer when...
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
you actually understand one of Extrinsic's posts.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
... you can't afford groceries.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
...You find your self editing the grammer on a text message.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
...every shower results in hours on the computer.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
...when you are relieved to have insomnia so that you can use those hours more productively--staring at the ceiling and figuring out the next twist in your novel's plot.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
...only to find yourself frustrated because you can't find the time, energy, or focus you'd like to write those ideas properly.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
...when the voices in your head are really just characters, really, I hope.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
(lol)
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
...when your kids fear letting you check their language arts assignments.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
As I write this, I'm having a nosebleed.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
From writing? Or, did you pick too deep?
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
...when you figure out what's going to happen next in the movie you're watching before anyone else does, and you can't resist spoiling it for everyone.
 
Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
...when youve killed five people and they havent even tried to arrest you.


even though your names all over it.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
...you'd rather leave home without outer garments than writing materials.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
No deeper than usual. First time in at least a year.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
LoL kdw. I so do that.

... when one hundred thousand words adds twenty pounds on your scale.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
...shutting down your computer for 24 hours is harder than fasting for twice as long...
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
...when you find yourself more focused on the way people describe things than what they're actually telling you, in daily conversation.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
…..When you are walking down the street on base talking to your self and random civilians ask are you writing a book?

RFW2nd
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
...when you can't resist editing and re-editing Christmas Cards.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Of course, figuring out what's going to happen in a movie can be a nuisance to writers as well, because after a while, people start asking you what's going to happen, and you have to say, "I don't know. I haven't seen this movie before either."

Two-edged sword....
 


Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
...you see a story in everything around you and you have to comment on it, and discuss it. Then your spouse says, "Everything's all about you, huh?" And you try to explain and you find words don't roll off your tongue, but they roll off your fingers quite nicely.
 
Posted by drake the thall (Member # 8042) on :
 
...you can follow the plot of Jaws III without flinching.

And seriously, this is lame. new topic!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The online experience is a take-it or leave-it proposition with me. When I go on vacaction, I leave it, for up to two weeks.

Can't be bothered hauling a laptop along...one more piece of luggage to worry about, and an expensive one at that.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Personally, I like it. It's fun to see that my neuroses are shared by others. Plus, I thought of a new one last night...

...you scrape the top layer of skin off your hand but get distracted wondering how you might scrape any other layer of skin...
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
...and that gives you an idea for torture that brings a smile to your face...
 
Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
...which then tells you to call your little brother in for some "quality" time.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
...when you are jotting quick ideas down during every commercial.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
...when you have better excuses for stalling than your kids do.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
...when you meet people and start inventing their background.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
...when you wonder what secrets any home you see from the side of the road holds.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
...when you've got an equal number of on writing books as fiction on your nightstand.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
...when you read in terms of rules and critiques.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
...when you get ticked off at publishers for all of the sub-standard writers in their catalogue--without even being rejected by them first.

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited March 13, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
...when you can make two opposing airforces with your rejections. (More so, when you start planning strategies for them.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Remember nostalgia?
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
nice one Robert
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
What's another name for Thesaurus?
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
...when you can make up dialogue for the animals at the zoo, and it fits what's going on in the cages.
 
Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
IB, thats just when you have no life.
 
Posted by drake the thall (Member # 8042) on :
 
why does noone know what a rhetorical question is?
 
Posted by drake the thall (Member # 8042) on :
 
life is like a box of chocolates...

someone else already got the good ones.


OR I found mine empty in the trash.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
How many posts are we trying to get, anyway?
 
Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
Im thinking the thousand ranges.


when I have writers block I procrastinate by...
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
I can never get a break. Today I peeled a banana and it was empty.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
eating
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
checking Hatrack compulsively
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
researching random pieces of my stories on wikepedia

googling interesting words I learn from wikepedia

It's amazing how I can spend hours researching something that's only going to get 30 words in a story
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Didn't we just have a procrastination thread? I'm sure we did.


How about: what's the one element (plot, character, creature or otherwise) that you just can't get away from?
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I can't get away from my characters falling in love with each other. I'm almost to the point where I'm OK with that, but just once I'd like to create a character who wasn't determined to fall in love with someone else before the story was told.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I blew a fuze this morning. Well, strictly speaking, a circuit breaker.

*****

quote:
nice one Robert

Serious extra points if anyone can remember where I got it from.
 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
Why did God desert us?
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
quote:
I can't get away from my characters falling in love with each other. I'm almost to the point where I'm OK with that, but just once I'd like to create a character who wasn't determined to fall in love with someone else before the story was told.

Maybe it's just a reflection of your personality. Are you easy?
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Robert: That would be from the New Yorker: Bobby Bison's Big Memory Offer by George W. S. Trow. (December 30, 1974).

It was satirising Jerusalem the Golden by Margaret Drabble.

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited March 14, 2009).]
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
quote:
Maybe it's just a reflection of your personality. Are you easy?

Holy cats, that made me laugh. What kind of a question is that?
Melanie

[This message has been edited by Unwritten (edited March 14, 2009).]
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Sheena,
Do you use Schwarzkopf got2b hair gel?

 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I was just kidding!
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I haven't been asked that question for over a decade. For a split second I felt 20-something again. Sigh.

On the other hand, love and being easy are mutually exclusive categories, wouldn't you think?

[This message has been edited by Unwritten (edited March 14, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:

On the other hand, love and being easy are mutually exclusive categories, wouldn't you think?

Not necessarily.

Love has the ability to come in all shapes and forms. But I wouldn't invest in a ring just because I was grinning wide on the second morning.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Here's a sentence that is easy to say, but just about impossible to write (at least not without sacrificing comprehension):

The word "to" can be written three ways.
The word "too" can be written three ways.
The word "two" can be written three ways.

Maybe it is like this:

The word (to, too, two) can be written three ways.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
InarticulateBabbler: your reference predates my reference...I picked it up from a Spider Robinson book review column in Galaxy sometime between 1975 to 1979.

*****

Down-down-down-dummy-doowah...ooh-yeah-yeah-yea-ah...wo-wo-wo-woao-wah...only the lonely.
 


Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
quote:
...when you can make up dialogue for the animals at the zoo, and it fits what's going on in the cages.

Anthropomorphism

Darwin rolls over in his grave anytime someone does.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Ah well, I tried.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I didn't want to mess up the recipe section with my drooling, so I'm coming over here to say--yum. That all looks so incredible. You all should write a Hatrack cookbook.
 
Posted by drake the thall (Member # 8042) on :
 
yeah, but who would publish it?

who would the money go to?

whos face goes on the back?

or, you could just have an essay, see whos is the best, argue over who is the best, and end up giving the rights to charity.

I should stop thinking. its just too much.
 


Posted by drake the thall (Member # 8042) on :
 
on the other hand, one thing i can't get away from is the blood in my stories. i like to write about medieval times, so it gets bloody fast.
the issue is, im religous, and try to stray away from the whole horror/ adventure/ video game-ish
blood scene. if my book becomes a movie, i want it rated PG-13 at most.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
My characters like to fall in love too.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Did you know Darwin and Lincoln were born on the same day?
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
The exact same day - February 12, 1809.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I find my stories all have a similar quality of not being publishable.

And Melanie, nope it's not got2be gel, I use the cheap stuff that's blue and glocky and does in fact smell of cedar.

~Sheena
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Listen. If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Anybody who sees a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I was just wondering, because that stuff STINKS. I got some on sale, and you'd just think something that costs that much money would at least have a pleasant smell, but nope. Before I get accused of slander though, I ought to mention that it really works.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
quote:
How about: what's the one element (plot, character, creature or otherwise) that you just can't get away from?

That's an obvious attempt to remove the randomness from our musings, IB!

Ah, well. Mine is racial conflict. Also, my characters often devote themselves to unappreciative people. Oh, and I shouldn't forget that new technology usually complicates my characters' lives.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Not an attempt at killing randomness (I think you'll find the answers will look pretty random), just thinking about a more practical approach than re-iterating the procrastination thread, and something that might benefit us as well.

I have a problem with my protagonists being too passive. I guess they are usually more explorers than warriors--with the exception of Pantroth, of course.

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited March 17, 2009).]
 


Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
I have a problem making my characters less powerfull.

it wouldnt be a problem, except im running out of ideas to make them stronger.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I don't really understand your problem, Andromoidus, do you mind explaining?
 
Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
well, I have a character, starts out weak, and by the halfway mark is so strong I cant think of anything that can beat him.


Ive resorted to needless chapters on his tutorship, which is boring and doesnt make good reading, even to me.

it gets annoying.
 


Posted by Bycin (Member # 8297) on :
 
Well, if he is that strong by the halfway point, where else can you really go with the story? It seems like all conflict is now null and void because it is a given that your MC will win.

It could be that the problem isn't finding ways to make him stronger, but that you already made him way too strong. Is there a reason he needs to be this godlike so early in the book (or even at all)?
 


Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
well, the antagonist of the book is kinda immortal, so...

I think that Ill lengthen it into a trilogy, with the first two books detailing his learning and the third book applying what he has learned. (with limitations.) I also think that I might give him some trouble CONTROLLING what he learned.
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The middle of a story is the climax. A climax is where efforts to address a predicament are greatest and the outcome is most in doubt. Antagonism is greatest at a climax, problems opposing purpose and vice versa, and a purpose might pose problems as well as possible outcomes. An invulnerable, immortal, problem-free (internally and externallly) protagonist is so far over the top in magnitude that there's little latitude for potential opposition and problems. Ubermensch protagonists have been done and found dramatically wanting. An Ubermensch villain, however . . . a mighty, opposing antagonist, at least.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I have a problem making the characters anybody but me. Even the girls.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Random thought:
quote:
An Ubermensch villain

Hmmm...I dislike the times when I feel as though I can seriously see no way out for a protaganist. If it lasts for a few pages, I'm alright with that, but chapters and chapters of oppresive hopelessness are a real turn-off for me.
Melanie
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Andromoidus, how about if you break his heart?

A character can have inner conflicts as well as outer conflicts.

If you can't do anything to the character, do something to someone or something the character cares about.

 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Robert, I submit that all of a writer's characters are basically the writer. The trick is to separate different aspects of the writer in creating each character. That way, you can extrapolate on yourself, using "what if?" to build a believable character from just a part of yourself.
 
Posted by drake the thall (Member # 8042) on :
 
whats really fun is giving a character powers from the beginning, then having him discover those powers later on.
 
Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
hmmm... Kathleen, you just gave me a story idea.

antagonist kidnaps love interest, and threatens her life if protagonist keeps fighting, all the while brainwashing the love interest...

it has merit...

thx!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's really depressing when the guys who are scum of the earth are all part of me...
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I've had that happen before. I once started a story with a character who was based on me when I was younger. A published author critiqued the first few pages on her blog and suggested that my character wasn't very sympathetic, and that the very traits that made the character like me (although she didn't know it) were the ones that would be better in a minor character. Story of my life
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
REG:
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
But Robert, the scum of the earth characters are based on only part of you--the part with scum potential.

I didn't say they had to be you as you are now. They can be based on extrapolations--you as you would be if thus and such had happened or if you'd made this or that choice.

So if there is part of you that could even think of scummy things, that is the part your scummy characters come from. Just as no one is perfect, no one is free from the possibility of being nasty.

And writers deal in possibilities, right?
 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 
quote:
I didn't say they had to be you as you are now. They can be based on extrapolations--you as you would be if thus and such had happened or if you'd made this or that choice.

This is exactly how I approach creating the majority of my main characters.

My YA MC is based on me, had I chosen to go extreme in my pursuits of my musical goals.

One of my SF MCs is based on what I might be like if my very mild case of autism was instead full blown.

And, in fitting with this topic (such as it is in a thread entitled "Random Musings"), one of my favorite characters is based on what I would be like had I ever decided to treat "The Godfather" as my Golden Rule.

Frightening, no doubt, at how scummy I could be. The cool part about all this is that, as long as I keep everything on the page, I can do anything I want to anyone I want---for whatever reason happens to make sense to me at the time---and I don't have to worry about being on the 11 O'Clock news.

S!
S!...C!


 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Totally random thought;

It's not good when opposing counsel says "aha" after a witness's testimony.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Or when "aha" is the witness' testimony.
 
Posted by AmieeRock (Member # 8393) on :
 
It's not good when your ob-gyn says, "Boy that's gonna be one BIG baby!!"

It's also not good when your hairdresser says, "ooops."
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
It's not good when you find out the people you're in business with are wiseguys and/or made men.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
It's not good when you go to pick up your pay if the bosses are discussing rubber payroll checks.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Since I started working for the US Postal Service, I've been regularly told, from that day to this, that my job is obsolete. And that's over twenty years now.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Since I started working at my job, stay at home mom, I've been told that the job is obsolete, and beneath me. Usually by people who really need a hug from a mommy.

 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Really, Sheena?
Since I started my job as a stay at home mom 11 1/2 years ago, that has never happened to me once. Once a dental hygenist started ranting about how it wasn't fair that I didn't have to work and she did, (but that whole dental office was weird) but that's the closest I've ever come to having someone not be totally cool about it.
Melanie
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
It was more of a joke with an undercurrent of truth. Or a mostly true fiction. I've never had people say that directly to me, but I have had several people think that at me. Mostly people from my previous occupation that don't understand how I can quit to change diapers.

I think being a mom is awesome and a friggen powerful and important job, and that the hand that rocks the cradle rocks the world.

but not everyone can see that.
~Sheena
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I started wearing prescription eyeglasses at the age of 11. The ophthalmologist, the optometrist, the optician, my teacher, my school's principal, my minister, my parents, all and every authority over me warned me about how mean other kids could be and not to take to heart being called four-eyes. No one ever did. However, I was curious how wearing a pair of eyeglasses made a person look like they had four eyes. I didn't see it.

My first clues came from reading the correspondence of our founding fathers. Ben Franklin invented bifocals because he was annoyed by having to switch between his reading glasses and his myopic-vision correcting set. At least one anecdote I encountered in the correspondence remarked that at times Mr. Franklin looked like he had four eyes. I found no further clues on that front.

A few years back when I returned to college after a long intermission, I needed reading glasses to read textbooks. One day I was studying with a classmate. My myopic-vision correcting set was perched on my brow, and I was reading with the reading glasses set on my nose. She remarked, "When you wear your glasses like that you look like you have four eyes." Aha! wearing two sets of glasses at once, one above the other, makes a person look like they have four eyes.

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Posted by AmieeRock (Member # 8393) on :
 
Don't all you stay at home moms out there just laugh like crazy when somebody says or thinks at you that it's easy?!

I had this off duty cop come up to me one day in walmart when my kid was having a fit, and flash his ID at me and tell me that my child was being disruptive and I had to leave the store. Immediately. Sad thing was, he didn't know he was dealing with a jail cop from the neighboring county. I knew he had no authority. So I messed with him and acted all scared and got him to admit that I wasn't doing anything illegal, that, well, the kid's just making a scene and it looks really bad....at which point I told him that he should know better than to try to be badge heavy, cause the sherrif I work for doesn't tolerate that stuff. He apologized and left.

The crazy world of mommyhood!!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
When I was fitted for glasses, I didn't wear them regularly, and was told I didn't need to. But age sixteen rolled around, and I found I needed to see to drive, and I needed my glasses to see, so I wore 'em all the time.

Now that I've been hit by praesbyopia, if that's how it's spelled, I have to take my glasses off just to read. My current pair are technically bifocals, but that hasn't helped.
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Ah. Glasses at eight, for me. Changed my life forever. Glasses can give (at least a tentative kid like I was) an excuse for all kinds of things you don't want to do. Swim? I don't have a place to put my glasses. Fight? ...glasses. Clean your room? ...glasses-- my mother never bought that one.

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Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I got my glasses at 10. I started wearing them at 13. I hated wearing glasses, so I started wearing contacts at 17. I've pretty much worn contacts from then on. My vision is 20/400 in both eyes with little +'s and -'s tagged onto each ratio. If I don't wear contacts, I have almost no peripheral vision.
 
Posted by TLBailey (Member # 8499) on :
 
I started wearing glasses at about 11 so I could read the writing on the board more than 20 feet away.

When I was about 35 I got a new pair that I just couldn't wear so I quit wearing glasses. A few years later I had 20/20 vision.

Now I'm much older and starting to think I am again going to need glasses so I can read the book less than 20 inches away.

TL

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Elton John once said he started wearing glasses to emulate Buddy Holly...and eighteen months later, he found he couldn't see without them.
 
Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
I miss White Castle. And no the frozen food section of my supermarket won't do...sliders have to be hot and fresh.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The best hot dogs I've ever eaten came from a fast food stand in Fishkill, New York. Later they converted to a restaurant...later, after I'd moved away, the restaurant changed hands and changed menus.

(Last time I was there, a little stand out back appeared to have the hot dogs on the menu...but I didn't have the nerve to order one.)
 


Posted by AmieeRock (Member # 8393) on :
 
Something I miss form the east coast-red hot dogs. Anybody else out there ever had those?
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
No.

(one more post closer to the longest thread)
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
antidisestablishmentarianism

(one post closer to the longest word)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Right now I've been up since 8:00 PM (Eastern Daylight Time) last night. I'd add "awake" but I've nodded off several times along the way, mostly in the 3:00 PM to 4:00 PM hour.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
And with all that time it still took me till just a few minutes ago to work my way here.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I sure would like some chocolate ice cream right about now.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I sure do enjoy this thread
 
Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
I wish my boss would go home so that I could....

....write at work when things get slow, because with him around things are never slow.


Anyone else who wants to use my sentence fragment as a jumping off point is welcome to it.
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I am my own boss, and boss of no one else, which suits me like wearing the outfit I was born in while lounging on a tropical shoreline.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Since having heart failure, I've learned two important things:

1) I realllllllllllllllly like butter, steak, ham (including SPAM), bologna, potato chips (and corn chips), Mexican food, Italian food, Chinese food and pizza.

and

2) If I can eat it, chances are it's bland, I'm not too fond of it, it's nothing resembling snack food, it's a type of fish or fowl (not including duck) or I hate it.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Eat everything you want when you're younger, 'cause when you're older, they won't let you.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
AimeeRock--I've had them. Against my will. They may be good, but I'd never have them again. I imagine they are colored for the same reason pistachios are colored red, and that's just so much more disgusting in a hot dog.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
As I've gotten older, I have found that there are many things my body won't let me eat.

I miss popcorn.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I am attempting to give up chocolate this week. My addiction is hanging on tight though.

Now that I'm in my late 30s (just barely though!) chocolate gives me a migraine at least half of the times I eat it. That doesn't stop me from thinking that this time it might be different.

(edited to put a halt to rampant overusage of the smilies legend.)

[This message has been edited by Unwritten (edited March 25, 2009).]
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I used to get headaches when I ate chocolate, still do sometimes. I found that eating salty peanuts made the headaches go away. Later, I found out I'm diabetic. Through trial and error, I discovered that eating sweets was causing my headaches. The mechanism of the headaches is fairly straightforward. Converting starches and sugars into glucose consumes water. The glucose enters and overwhelms the bloodstream. The kidneys process out excess glucose, again, consuming water. The body becomes dehydrated. The brain aches because the water volume of the blood feeding it is too low and the glucose it needs can't be taken up as readily.

Dehydration is also a common cause of chronic kidney stones. I've passed my share and then some. Chocolate doesn't help. Oxalate compounds in chocolate are a source of minerals that form into calcium oxalate stones in the kidneys and gall bladder. Same with tree nuts and spinach.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I've heard that passing a stone for a man is similar to the pain of a woman giving birth.

I believe it. I had an ecoli infection that sent me to the emergancy room, and that pain was much worse than the pains of labor.

Not that labor is easy. It aint.
~Sheena
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I carried a 7 millimeter stone impacted in my 4 millimeter urethra for 11 months before it finaly passed. The stone had been in my kidney for at least two years growing from 2 millimeters to 7 before it broke loose. 11 months of excruciating labor and a painful delivery. My worst.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My brother passed a stone last year...somehow, I though I, with my sedentary and indulgent lifestyle, would be the one with health problems like that.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
See that? I've stopped telling people that eating sugar gives me migraines because everyone acted like I was insane, and what happens? extrinsic gives me a perfectly good explanation for it without even knowing me.

I'm not a diabetic, but by all rights I should be. I crave sugar like it's going out of style and get terribly sick every time I eat it. Eating sugar that's not covered in chocolate does seem to decrease my symptoms though, although it could be a placebo effect.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
effect?
affect?
I'm never quite sure. Even when staring at the definitions they I can't decide.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I'd craved carbohydrates from day one. Full onset of diabetes type II happened in my 35th year. Sulfonyuera medication helped a little to control my blood sugar levels, but not my cravings. Starting on a time release glargine insulin last year, my carbohydrate cravings are finally controllable. Now I crave fats and proteins.

In most situations effect is valence neutral and affect is negatively charged, except perhaps for alternative definitions, like, affect a smile, affect an air of confidence, affection for, but not affectation. Chocolate, though I love it and won't live without it, affects my health and effects my happiness.

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Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Other treacherous homonyms;

Maybe: perhaps
May be: might be

Maybe I'll go.
I may be right.

Anymore: any longer or any further
Any more: any additional

I don't want to wait anymore.
I don't have any more.

Anyway: regardless
Any way: any manner

I went anyway.
I went any way the trail did.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Two things:

extrinsic - Ever heard of ESWL (shock wave) therapy?

Unwritten - consider other forms of the words
affect - usually a verb (emotional connotation) - affection
effect - usually a noun (factual connotation) - efficient
 


Posted by AmieeRock (Member # 8393) on :
 
Back to red hot dogs since our musings have turned to food and since Unwritten has had a red hot dog. They stain teh pans red when you boil them, and we used to eat them all the time becuase there was a factory near our house that made them and we could get the rejects way cheap. I know. irregulars in hot dogs. Ick. If I had been old enough to know better....Anyway, they had all sorts of weird appendages, some of them were like siamese hot dogs or something. Ahhhh memories. But they sure were good on the grill, when they'd split open and get all charcoaled.

Also, I had e coli and I had something this last month that lasted for week and put me in the ER on morphine and it was way worse than my C-section pains.
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
quote:
extrinsic - Ever heard of ESWL (shock wave) therapy?

Yeah, the local urologists call it lithotripsy for short. There's a lithotripsy trailer that runs a weekly circuit to regional hospitals around here to perform the procedure. It's ten grand a pop. Money I don't have, no insurance, and it's not covered under any indigent's assistance program available to me. Other more invasive procedures for acute stones are even more expensive. My alternative to passing on my own was having a life-threatening emergency needing surgical intervention that would be partially covered by indigent assitance programs. My stones have cost me eight grand I didn't have as it is. Unneeded MRIs and CT scans, X-rays, radiologists, urologists, emergency room doctors, ambulance fees. Still paying off those debts. The big stone came out with pieces of flesh stuck to it.

Get your red hots here!
One apocryphal legend I've run across on red-hot hot dogs was that the casings are dyed red to indicate that they're extra spicy, cayenne pepper spicy. I've had them spicy hot, but most are just imitators. The red dyed ones were to differentiate from milder frankfurters.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
extrinsic, please don't talk about kidney stones and hot dogs in the same post ever again...
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
or hot dogs and e coli

I'll never forget the day I saw my sister in law at the store and she was letting my nephew eat a raw red hot dog as he was sitting in that filthy shopping cart. Blech.

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've been in the hospital as a patient just twice in my life---once when I was, oh, seven or eight, when I had to have stitches---then again in May of 2000 when a boil on my back became infected and needed to be lanced. Neither was an overnight stay...the first was a one-shot visit and the second was one visit and a followup to remove some padding...and the first experience, involving not being told what was going on and being held down struggling while stitched up, did not endear me to the idea of doctors or nurses or hospitals or the practice of medicine.

[edited 'cause of an awkward last sentence...not that the next one is much of an improvement.]

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Somebody on TV, talking about the floods along the Red River of the North, spoke of the water rising at a rate of "one tenth of a foot" an hour.

Whatever happened to inches?
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
man what a grate day. i got off for lunch at 0945 45 min after getting to work. then returned to work at 1300.

who ever said the army was hard work was realy wrong. 99% of our time is BSing and 1% real work.

Working hard at hardly workin

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Shimiqua,

How does it feel to have started such a long thread? Mine rarely get past the first page, unless they get sidetracked by parties who shall remain nameless. But for some reason, no one has sidetracked this particular thread. Wow.

Melanie
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Tenth of a foot an hour. Politically correct attempt at metricizing the English system of measurement.
 
Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
quote:
I've been in the hospital as a patient just twice in my life

Lucky you. I have spent two hundrend and forty three nights in a hospital bed...and I'm only thirty-one.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
How do you sidetrack a random musings thread?

Just a stray thought.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I neglected to mention the week-or-less I spent in the hospital right after I was born. But I was a small child then and I really don't remember it.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Forest Gump says life is like a box of chocolates. My life is more like a meadow overgrown with bramble patches that needs to be negotiated.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I just noticed the post dates on this site are about an hour off my time [Eastern Daylight Savings Time]. They were right on the beam before. Did the site not "spring forward" a couple of weeks ago? Or is it something on my end? (How's that for something random to discuss?)
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
I hate daylight savings time.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
quote------
----end quote

my new faverit lyrics of ANY song. my buddy introduced me to Afroman.

9 months and 5 days left in the Army.

RFW2nd


Note from Kathleen:

Sorry RFWII, no quoting of song lyrics without permission.

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited March 28, 2009).]
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
An hour of day
Was stolen prematurely
From the world

A curse so wrought
Upon my soul
By demons of the East

My days are dark
And slow to start
Before the rising sun

I raise my fist
To evil spawn
Who steal away my time

And when those beasts
Deign to return my hour
I’ll feel the curse again

-Burma Shave

rights to reproduce freely given by Owasm

 


Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
I am one heck-of-a-shot. There is not a deadline I cannot miss
 
Posted by Patrick James (Member # 7847) on :
 
An interesting point on tone of voice.

Both Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans chant 'Go OSU!'.
 


Posted by Patrick James (Member # 7847) on :
 
Owasm, got something against daylight savings?

I am going to use that poem by the way. You a fan of the Marx Brothers?
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
As a Wolverine fan, I can say:
quote:

Both Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans chant 'Go OSU!'

This is true only if the Buckeyes are playing Notre Dame.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I hate daylight savings time. All it does is jerk me around for no benefit I can see. It's still light when I have to get up for work---and I have enough trouble sleeping during the day as is.

As for that nonsense about helping the farmers...don't they get up with the sun and go down with it as well?
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I'm so glad Arizona doesn't do daylight savings.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Of course, that's the worst thing about daylight savings - how are we supposed to keep track of time differences when no one can agree on 1) if they will do daylight savings and 2) WHEN they will start/stop their daylight savings??

Sighs.
 


Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
quote:
Both Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans chant 'Go OSU!'.

Also Cowboys...Oklahoma State
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I have rarely paid any atention to Daylight Savings Time. Several of my clocks remain set on Standard Time until DST ends and they are right again. No, I'm not late for things either. Most of what I do is not so time dependent that I need to be somewhere at a specific time. Besides, my computer keeps track of the accurate time.

DST has long since been of little exclusive impact to agricultural practices. Anymore, tourism and recreation industries, and consequently the overall economy, benefit most from DST.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
On a related note...ever hear the story about how schools let kids out in the summer "to help on the farm?" Who among us has actually done that during the summer, and not as a lark or learning experience but as part of the family business?
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
When I was growing up, one of my best friends had to tend 40 head of cattle every day. He and his father always got up before the sun; after school, I'd help him until an hour or so before dark--his father would work until the light went.

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Posted by Dogmatic (Member # 8425) on :
 
"Nobody wins in a butter eating contest."
~H. Simpson~
 
Posted by Patrick James (Member # 7847) on :
 
In construction we start before the sun rises and end when it goes down, very depressing. Thank god it is mostly seasonal in the north.(I get up at 4AM and get home at 7PM, usually.)
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Little Known Facts of the Day:

1) On days when he had to do a lot of walking, Jesus would turn water into gel for his sandal inserts.

2) Because there is no word for "boss" in China, crowds at Bruce Springsteen concerts shout, "Supervisor!"

3) When he died on March 7, 1999, director Stanley Kubrick was making plans to begin shooting his next film, MEATBALLS 5.

4) In 1964, meteorologists were baffled when March came in like a lion and went out like a hedgehog.

5) An AMERICAN IDOL contestant was recently disqualified from the competition after testing positive for dignity.

6) In China, John Steinbeck's THE GRAPES OF WRATH is translated as ANGRY BERRIES.

7) PEOPLE magazine's "Sexiest Man Alive" is seventh in line to the presidency.

8) In the early drafts of the POLTERGEIST script, the little girl got sucked into the toaster.

9) Walt Whitman's dying words were, "Kiss my ass."

10) Today is International Women's Day! Now shut the hell up and go make me a sandwich.

11) The Vatican currently employs six stunt-popes.

12) In 2004, the FBI foiled an Al Qaeda plot to disrupt the cattle judging at the Illinois state fair.

13) When he's not working, Satan enjoys golf, jazz, Victorian novels, and spending time with his family.

14) A Freedom of Information Act request was recently filed asking the government to reveal the location of the Hidden Valley Ranch.

15) Regis Philbin and Charles Manson were college roommates.

16) After years of research, scientists have discovered that, in spite of their remarkable intelligence, dolphins are incapable of sarcasm.

17) In the early drafts of CARRIE, Stephen King's first novel, Carrie White's paranormal power was the ability to make people talk like Daffy Duck.

18) Apple has spent nearly 200 million dollars trying to develop a wooden iPod for the Amish.

19) Until 1926, the president and vice president were required to sleep in the same bed.

20) The National Weather Service has four employees who do nothing but watch for clouds that are shaped like animals.

21) Moses's last name was Weintraub.

22) The National Weather Service has four employees who do nothing but watch for clouds that are shaped like animals.

23) In the early drafts of William Styron's novel SOPHIE'S CHOICE, Sophie was forced to choose between paper and plastic.

24) "You're not clean until you're Zestfully clean" is an old Arapaho proverb.

25) The first entry ever to be searched on Google was "nude hot oil wrestling."

26) Gerald Ford's first job after leaving the White House was providing the voice of Carlton the Doorman on RHODA.

27) The Wright brothers' cousin Duane invented the luggage carousel.

28) No one named Gary has ever been pope.

29) Shortly before the end of his life, Elvis was planning to star in a movie called VIVA PIE.

30) The term "No sh*t, Sherlock," first appeared in the book of Leviticus.

31) According to a poll in FILM COMMENT magazine, fans' least favorite James Bond was Randy Quaid.

32) In 1988, several HOLLYWOOD SQUARES panelists were seriously injured when Dom DeLuise, Louie Anderson, and Roseanne Barr were all seated in the top row.

33) When among friends, Jesus always referred to his 12 disciples as "my posse."

34): In his will, kitchen-gadget inventor Ron Popeil has asked that his remains be julienned.

35) Eva Braun's parents felt she could do much better than Hitler.

36) According to documents recently uncovered by historians, Mary Todd Lincoln was into leather.

37) Phil Donahue is under the impression his show has been on hiatus waiting for new carpeting.

38) In parts of Wyoming, it's legal to hunt the elderly.

39) Although he never received credit, Thomas Edison invented the flat-front chino.

40) A panel of experts concluded that there are no jokes about the Jonestown massacre because the punch line is too long.

41) To create a nurturing, nonjudgmental atmosphere, many math teachers now tell children that no numbers are truly negative.

42) When she died, speed-reading pioneer Evelyn Wood was working on a way to watch television more quickly.

43) The classic 1968 movie PLANET OF THE APES was based on a true story.

44) During his term with the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan lost 2.8 billion dollars in taxpayer money betting on keno.

45) In addition to its versatile knives, the Swiss Army is known for its multifunctional pants.

46) During the advertising campaign for its quick-rising breadsticks, Pillsbury briefly made its Doughboy anatomically correct.

47) Chinese restaurants require Peking duck to be ordered 24 hours in advance so the duck may enjoy one last day with its family.

48) Burt Bacharach ends every concert by flipping over the piano and biting the head off a rat.

49) Biblical historians now believe that, although he could walk on water, Jesus was a lousy swimmer.

50) Milton Bradley invented Twister as an excuse to touch women at parties.

51) Because of his name, Alexander the Great believed he would grow up to be a magician.

52) Mitt Romney has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to a blackmailer who has photos of him with his tie askew.

53) The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has spent millions of dollars trying to cross a bridge before they come to it.

54) Wanted criminals can elude law-enforcement jurisdictions by seeking refuge in an International House of Pancakes. (That falls under the jurisdiction of the UN.)

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Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
WHY are there so many of those "facts"? I tired of picking out the truth from the lies about halfway through.

quote:
ever hear the story about how schools let kids out in the summer "to help on the farm?" Who among us has actually done that during the summer, and not as a lark or learning experience but as part of the family business?

I did. For a couple years, my family owned a hay farm. Before that, I worked in a fruit shed owned by family friends. Sorting pears is fun, apples is boring, and peaches is a bit icky. Have you ever picked up a 49er to discover your thumb is in brown rot? Imagine that happening a dozen times in a day. Carrying hay bales and wooden boxes full of fruit certainly contributed to my upper body strength, though. I laugh whenever someone thinks I'm weak just because I'm skinny. More people should work on a farm, even as a lark or learning experience.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Just what were he and Julio doing down by the schoolyard?
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Good stuff, IB. I especially like number 5.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
LOL --- Actually I like most of them. My new favorite is 46.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
An extremely rare homonym error I enounter more than most anyone should.

Allowed :-- Aloud
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
quote.....53) The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has spent millions of dollars trying to cross a bridge before they come to it. end quote

SO VERY TRUE...

were do i get the permission to quote the lyrics then???

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
From the copyright owner--probably not Afroman, in this case--probably the record company that produced the album the song is on.

Warning: permission to quote lyrics usually costs piles of money.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
Warning: permission to quote lyrics usually costs piles of money.

Well, if it's an issue of volume I can offer plenty of pennies
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Wow, IB. You should write for Bob & Tom.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Actually, I can't take credit. On Ray Garton's Facebook updates, he throws these out there. But they are amusing, huh--especially for a horror writer?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Parody, on the other hand, is considered protected free speech and not subject to fees or royalties...leastwise as the written word goes.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Ray Garton 's little known fact of the day: In the state of Nevada, it is illegal for non-magicians to say, "Tah-dah!"
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 

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Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Chocolate is addicting.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Ray Garton 's little known fact of the day: In addition to his famous violins, Stradivarius also made salad tongs.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Two random thoughts about violins:

Somebody once told me the shellacking that goes on a violin absolutely ruins the sound they make.

On the other hand, I once read that the secret of the Stradavarius violin is in the wood---the wood Stradavari (?) made them out of was already aged couple of centuries when he made them. (What kind of wood? I don't remember.) How serious to take that one, I don't know...I don't know if anybody's submitted the wood to carbon dating.

*****

It's all a moot point to me...I can't play the violin. I can play the guitar, any regular brass instrument but French horn, the harmonica, the recorder, the kazoo...but not the violin.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Yeah, last I heard we can't figure out what made them so good. Someone asked an interesting question, though. He said: "Are they performing different now than the days they were first made?" Could it be that time has somehow improved them and we can't recreate that effect in such a short time period.

Maybe, maybe not. But whatever the secret is it blows my mind that we can create nanotechnology-kind-of-stuff and not figure out how to make a violin like these.
 


Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
as a musician, I can honestly tell you that a newer instrument will never sound as good as one you have been playing for years.

something about breaking them in...
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Violin connoisseurs are like any other field, prone to building up the lore of a collectible product. The Stradivari family reportedly only made 700 or so violins. Their relative rarity influences their reputation.

Like for other violin makers, modern as well, a violin top is made from spruce, the back from maple, the inner parts from willow. Stradivarius violins were made from especially consistent-grained spruce and maple. Present-day violin makers select spruce and maple with similar properties. Of the master violin craftsmen I've known, they reported that they like the woods to age at least 40 years before rough cutting into blanks and age for several years after before shaping. Reportedly, the Stradivari family used chemicals to treat the woods, which may contribute favorably to the sound quality. However, the same compounds occured in varnishes at the time of Stradivari's work.

What finishes were applied by Stradivari are a matter of conjecture. Limited samples available for testing. However, it's known that he didn't use shellac. Stradivari may have been as equally discriminating in selecting the best finish for violins as he was with all of his choices. He did finish with an unknown proprietary varnish recipe, though.

As a compromise to an oil finish, a violin varnish is used for finishes. The woods do need enduring protection from oxidation and sunlight. A good quality violin varnish is brittle, though, because the harder it is the less it deadens sound. Basically, the least plastic natural-wood varnishes are what the violin makers I've known use. Basic ingredients are gum rosin and linseed oil.

Aging a musical instrument is all about the grain and variant woods species and finish stresses settling into their environment. They move in different dimensions and directions with changes in humidity, atmospheric pressure, and temperature. What sounds great in the craftshop or store needs time to adapt to its new setting. And time to adapt from being made into an instrument to begin with. Hide glues traditionally used in instrument making have high moisture content that the woods absorb. They also absorb solvents from the finish that take time time to fully evaporate through the cured surface finish. Plus a finely crafted violin is a precious commodity. Storage of one probably results in a reduced moisture content in the woods from what would normally be found in a piece of furniture in a modern home.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I hear there's too much sex and violins in movies and on TV...
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I don't know alot about violins, but flutes are best made out of the most expensive metals. I once played a flute that was platinum. It was the most exquisite thing I've ever put my lips too. I actually moaned and sighed about how wonderful it was for a full week. The sound was so pure and clean and effortless to produce. I miss that flute. Someday maybe I'll get a flute that's better than the crappy thing I own now.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Nostradamus could see the future, but could he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
 
Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
no. no one can.
 
Posted by drake the thall (Member # 8042) on :
 
Chuck Norris can!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Can't we can?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Nostradamus should have warned us about the danger Capt Crunch poses to the roof of the mouth.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
My three favorite South Park Episodes.

1) The exclusive Butters episode.

2) The manbla episode.

3) The Michael Jackson episode.
 


Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
I personally prefer the Suddam Hussein episode, but those are good, too.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Imaginationland IMO. Those evil woodland creatures were hilarious.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
my faverit south park episode

Make Love not World of Warcraft.

what convensted me to never get addicted to WOW. i did play for 4 hours once and got too adicted that i had to call my shrink for help. Thanks WOW

RFW2nd
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I sometimes have the inclination to yell "Geeks!" when I read this forum.

It's like the inclination a person might have to yell "Fire!" in a burnt down theatre.

It's too late to warn people. The theatre has burnt down. We are in fact, geeks.

By the way, check out thinkgeek.com. Awesome.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Don't think I've watched an episode of "South Park" since Season Three...don't know why, 'cause, at the time, I liked what I saw.

*****

Beware of Geeks bearing gifts.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
And when I say yip-de-dip-de-dip, you know I mean it from the bottom of my boogity-boogity-boogity-shoop.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Okay Robert. I think you've been licking too many stamps. You better step out and get some fresh air.
 
Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
I agree with shimiqua, every gift that I've purchased for my truly geeky friends/relatives for the last two or three years has come from thinkgeek... Christmases, birthdays, Valentine's... heck, half of my own wardrobe came from there.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You don't lick stamps anymore: they're all self-adhesive. This ruins the plans for a stamp to commemorate prostitution. Get that joke if you dare.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
**ignoring the last post **

The flouride the dentist put on my teeth today tasted like the glue from envelopes, which was never a taste I hated, although tasting it all day long has been kind of nasty. The flouride feels like they wrapped my teeth in mesh. Ick.
Melanie
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Dateline April Fools Day 2009;

Federal excise tax on roll your own cigarette tobacco increased 2252 percent from $1.10 to $24.78 a pound. What costs a tobacco farmer $2 to produce is now costing a consumer at least $45, up from an average $18 per pound last year. State tobacco excise taxes are responsible for another average $10 in cost per pound of bulk tobacco. Many state legislatures are considering increasing state tobacco excise taxes to equate to the federal level.

Supporters of the sin-tax increase claim it was necessary to achieve product parity taxation in order to prevent a flood of roll your own consumers abadoning ready-made products. Regardless, bulk cigarette tobacco suppliers have been overwhelmed with orders.

Small cigar taxes went up even more than bulk cigarette tobacco. Ready-made cigarette and snuff excise taxes also went up 250%.

This does not bode well for the 20% of the US population that smokes. Nor does it bode well for freedom to choose lifestyle. This is most certainly taxation misrepresentation placing an inequitable burden on smokers. Are we underclass citizens? Because we smoke are we servants to the majority? A dark day in American history.

What's next, a health excise tax on high blood pressure?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
If the taxes are included in the purchase price, nobody notices them. People only notice taxes when they're extra, like on income or sales. That's how the government gets away with taxing people more than at any other time in history.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Wait people hate smokers and are persecuting them? When did this all start?

I don't smoke myself, and to be honest I hate the smell of cigarette smoke, but this kind of abuse is just ridiculous. It's one thing for businesses and residences to say whether or not they allow smoking, and another for the government to step in and say it's not allowed anywhere. Or even within 20 feet of any entrance (just try to find anywhere 20 feet from an entrance in your average desk job office building!).

Unfortunately tobacco isn't alone here. Alcohol has been banned, restricted, and tightly controlled for a long time now. In some states like Utah they even ban wine coolers, for the love. And you know that since the government controls the only supply of alcohol there's nothing keeping them from jacking the prices up if they want. Why should cigarettes be any different?

And don't get me started about the abuse of prescription drugs that are just slightly moderated versions of heroin. It's a crazy world we live in.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, with tobacco, there was at least the excuse of second-hand smoke to justify bans. There was none for trans-fatty acids, just nannystateism...
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Modest tax increases on tobacco started out a decade ago as a noble program to fund low-income families' children's health insurance. SCHIP was intended at inception to provide health coverage for children of families with income above the Medicaid threshold but below $80,000. The program has expanded to include adults in fourteen states, four of which have more adults than children enrolled, many of which previously had private coverage. The thresholds are going up. Immigrants residing in the US longer than five years are now eligible. The income threshold is going up to $85,000. It's another runaway entitlement program with the burden being placed on those least able to afford it and oppose it.

What scorches me is that a product that has a real-market cost of $10 a pound has gone up to $45, $35 of which is taxes.

Beer currently has a Federal excise tax of roughly $0.30 per six-pack. Applying the same FET increase as bulk cigarette tobacco would add $6.75 to the retail price. Wine and sparkling wine FET per fifth (750ml) currently $0.21 to $0.67 and spirits FET $2.14 per fifth. But no, no alcohol FET increases, yet. When tobacco tax revenues don't meet expectations . . .

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Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Well the idea of the cigarette tax is that demand for them is profoundly inelastic for current smokers, since they're addicted they'll pay whatever they have to. But it is supposedly very elastic for non-smokers who are considering smoking, so for them fewer will buy ergo fewer will smoke. Not sure how well it's working, but I do know that's the strategy.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Applying need to taxation, people need to eat. The real agenda is to ban tobacco altogether. Higher taxes ostensibly will force people to quit. The immediate intent is to halve the smoking population to less than 10% by 2010. Meanwhile, 50% of low-income workers smoke. Atlas will shrug.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
My worst fear is that a spider will crawl across my face when I am sleeping.

I'm not afraid of spiders, I just like them to be where I can see them.

Ohhh, gives me the willies just thinking about it.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I'm not sure what your point is, extrinsic. You sound like a very jaded smoker.

There is a difference between need and strong want. People think they need to smoke because addiction exists, but they don't <i>really</i> need it. There are alternatives that can ween them off their addiction and, ultimately, if deprived of tobacco they're not going to die. So to pretend that tobacco is a need equal to food is inane.

As per the agenda to reduce the number of smokers it is more targetted at discouraging the creation of new smokers than it is taking down existing ones. But if it somehow diminishes the number of smokers that's a good thing. People are healthier and live longer without the tobacco.

Atlas can shrug all he wants.

Also I'm a little confused how you can half something to 10%. 50% I get, but 10% makes no sense to me. Are you saying that 20% of people smoke and they want to half that to 10% of all people? That's my best guess.

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Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
My point is that a tax on a product I use has gone up to a level that no other product has ever seen ever and it happened overnight. The legislation authorizing the tax was signed into law on February 4th. On the day it was signed, the Senate and House approved a last minute change from a $1.10 to a $24 excise tax increase with no debate. A product that market forces price at $10 and is now $45 due to the taxes. In fact, this was the second bill signed by the new administration despite campaign promises of no new taxes and looking out for low-income workers. The whole reason for roll your own cigarettes is to save money. This has caused an immediate additional $50 a month burden on me that's inequitable. I'm barely keeping my head above water as it is. I'm afraid that another government policy for the greater good will drown me.

I'm not a "very jaded smoker." Shame on you for making such a thoughtless remark. I am a jaded taxpayer citizen, part of a small minority that's been unlawfully singled out for punitive taxation. Expect dissastisfaction to grow when the tax doesn't cover the program and they raise taxes on alcohol and other "sinful" pasttimes.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
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Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I apologize for offending you.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
My worst fear is that my children will grow up and remember how much of their childhood I spent on the computer--and I'll have nothing to show for it.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Unwritten, then they will remember that you spent time doing something you loved. And your children, and grandchildren, will read your stories, and hear your voice long after you are gone.

You are spending your time creating stories, creating a legacy.

That is not nothing.
~Sheena
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Okay my worst fear in not that a spider will crawl across my face while I am asleep. My worst fear is that a spider will crawl across my face when i'm asleep AND THEN LAY AN EGG IN MY FACE and I'll think "dang what a gross zit, why wont it go away," and then one day while I am in the bath my sore will open and a thousand baby spiders will crawl across my naked body.

oh, man. Good to get that off my chest.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
OK, since we're being honest, my worst fear isn't that my kids will remember how much of their childhood I spent on the computer, it's that they'll stagger in one night when they are 26 years old, smelling like a distillery and wake me up to tell me that they are on the run from the police because I ruined their life by spending so much time on the computer, and I don't even have the money to get them out of the country because my writing never did sell...and oh yeah, by the way, they hate to read anyway. Especially fantasy.

Nope, that didn't help.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Or of course, what you said the first time. That would be better. I'll shoot for that.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
LOL! Is it sick and wrong to laugh at other's fears? The spider one is pretty hilarious. But the kids growing up and NOT LIKING FANTASY, that's not so funny.

My greatest fear is that I will somehow mess everything up, or make a huge mistake without meaning too. Like turning the steering wheel too hard and taking my whole family to their deaths at the bottom of a mountain.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Twice in my life I've had a spider descend from the ceiling (I didn't spot him) and land on my head while in the shower. Both times the spider in question got to experience a brutal death.

And one time I put on my shoe only to discover a mouse had moved in. I didn't kill it, I'm too much of a softy, but I did evict it to the back field.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Spiders are all right. They weave their webs in the corners and they leave you alone.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Three weeks ago, I got a renewal notice from Newsweek saying "your last issue is in the mail." Since then, I've gotten three more issues.

Promises, promises...
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
I always wonder how these places can afford to spam junk mail when the returns involved just don't seem all that high for the costs.

I remember my university's fees office sending me letters about owing them 20 dollars for like a year and a half...I mean it had to have been at least 50 letters in all, you'd think they spent more than the 20 on just sending them out.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
One piece of junk mail costs pennies-plus-postage...mass mailing get deep postage discounts...one subscription out of a thousand would pay for it all.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'd love to post something here about what I went through at work last night, but it would be libelous.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Wait police can get into the magic treehouse?!?1
I thought the baby unicorn was on lookout.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
I am a jaded taxpayer citizen, part of a small minority that's been unlawfully singled out for punitive taxation. Expect dissastisfaction to grow when the tax doesn't cover the program and they raise taxes on alcohol and other "sinful" pasttimes.

I am sure the angry disenfranchised taxpayer would vote the bums out if they allowed smoking while waiting to vote.

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Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I wonder if Vampires have high cholesterol...

And would that technically mean their victims died of a heart attack?

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Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Small spiders lay eggs in people's ears more often than you'd think. The good news is that even when the eggs hatch, and hundreds of tiny spiders crawl out of the ear, they rarely do the person any harm. It's creepy, but not harmful.

Supposedly, some people never find out it even happened; the eggs don't hurt and the spiders leave the body while the person sleeps.

Ah, the things I've learned at the doctor's office... Anyway, the point: it's not a rational fear.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
My grandmother fell asleep at the beach and had a banana spider burrow through her cheek into her mouth. While she was in the waiting room, a girl with a bad case of acne turned out really to have had spider eggs lain in her face. Apparently it was horrible when they started hatching and crawling all over her--consuming their way out.

And, even if they didn't try and consume her face (which they did), I could see a rational fear (even arachnophobia)developing out of it.

I think I was 9 or 10 when I went on a double-ferris-wheel with my mother and my cousin, who was my age. I sat on one side, they the other, as we slowly rose to the top. At the top, the wheel stopped so people could board the other ferris-wheel, and one of the bolts to our car snapped. The swinging arm flew loose--on the side I happened to be leaning on--and I was suspended in mid air, nothing to grab on but the slick plastic seat or the arm which was attached to nothing. It was better than twenty years before my wife convinced me to get on another one.

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Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
While I agree with rational fear, it's not always the case.

When I was younger I loved cats and hated dogs. Then I was attacked by a rottweiler and spent a few years afraid of even small dogs.

Now I really love dogs, and seem to get along pretty well with them.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was wondering where that itching in my ear came from.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Post 400!

Two-fifths of the way to a grand.

May 26th will be the date. That is my prediction.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Date with whom?
 
Posted by Collin (Member # 8522) on :
 
I ate unsweetened chocolate the other day and I still can't get rid of the nasty taste.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
They only told you it was chocolate!
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
man i have forgotten what we were talking about.

it hurts my brain to try and remember whats been said before.

any way...

i think i almost asended last night as i lay in bed awake.

it came to me this way, i thought if the WHOLE KNOWN universe was compressed to the size of a football stadioum what would we be? how big would that make us? what would our whole existance be but a insiginigant minute nothingness with size less than that than the spaces between subatomic particals.

and at that moment i looked i was floting above my body and was asending through my sealing. needless to say i freeked out and fell back into my body and jumped out of my bed gripping my .45 Colt drenched in sweet.

and no i was not on ANY mind alutering subestences including my sleeping ade and pain pills, or my anti depresents (its the weekend so i dont take them)

just thought i would shair my interisting experiance with you all and maybe one of you can asend your human body and know everything, just think of us here from time to time

RFW2nd
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
That was random.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"Ah, Doctor Watson, I see you have donned your winter underwear."

"Astounding, Holmes, however did you deduce that?"

"Elementary, my dear Watson, you have forgotten to put on your trousers."
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
I nearly ascended one night when I was thinking about physics and I realized that time travel is absurd because the very nature of time is different than what people thought.

If you view the universe as a constant now which is always changing, then time becomes a function of determining the state of the universe at any point of its change.

Example: If a ball is rolling and you were looking at a clock, you would see a different time at every position of the ball, but the only true position is at the time you're observing, the constant now.

This means there is no past, except the evidence left behind by the constant change. For the universe as a whole with stars moving away from each other, that evidence is that light from billions of light-years away shows us an image of stars as they were billions of years ago. For humankind in general, there is only the now, and history is simply collective memory of the universe at some earlier state.

I got to thinking that that meant our view of the past was probably an evolved mechanism for recording fatal change (ie anything that kills us), which branched complex animals away from living in the constant now (with no recollection of a nonexistent past or the changes that may take place in the future).

It's a bit hard to put into words, but the practical gist of it is that if someone wanted to go forward or backward in time, they would have to change the universe around them to the way it was at that moment in the constant now. Which would mean having the type of power to move unimaginable numbers of elements back to the positions and states they were in that past time, as well as having the recording equipment required to know each position and state. Highly improbable.

And since quantum theory proves that you cannot view things on a subatomic scale without changing their position or speed, this makes time travel also technically impossible.

I don't know, maybe this is even weirder than an OBE (out of body experience) >.<.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
That makes very good sense, Nate, however that supposition is solid only if you believe that our universe is limited to 3 dimensions. If the universe is capable of additional planes of existence, than the ability to slide to and fro outside our 3D existence may be possible.
Mathematically, extra dimensions are possible, but clouding your brain around the concept of a tesseract will only give you a headache. Philosophically, time itself is referred to the fourth dimension. The question isn't really if extra dimensions exist but rather is it possible of a 3D creature to be able to navigate a 4D passage? 2 dimensional objects can't exist in our universe (everything has depth), so could we exist in a 4D one? Do we live in one now?

At anycase, the answer to those questions are beyond our grasp, at the moment, but they are fun to write about.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Recipe for an ideal marriage: find a partner who think's you're the most wonderful person on the face of the Earth. You must agree.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Observation determines n-dimension. String Theories observe 10, 11, or 26 dimensions in a unified quantum universe.

Humans have an ability to indirectly observe time linearly, past time and future time. Memory and history perceive the past, indirect observation. Predictive projections perceive the future through indirect observation. Immediate future perception is crucial to existence. Thought of moving across a space becomes real deed usually more or less as perceived, though largely taken for granted. Without the ability to perceive a bracket of time, humans would live solely in the moment and not be able to track the linearity of time, in other words, not able to exist in the three observable spatial dimensions. Imagine driving a car and not being able to orient it in three dimensions because only the now of three dimensions is directly observable, for example, no stopping because stopping depends on perceiving the immediate future. Pressing a brake pedal results in a car stopping. Lifting a brake pedal results in a car moving. They're not coinciding events.

Pencil a thin line on a piece of paper, it's perceived as a line on a two-dimensional plane, though both have at least three observable dimensions. Like the paper, the graphite has observable depth, otherwise it wouldn't leave a visible mark.

Tardyon or Bradyon space, the realm of the observed universe, falls between two asymptotes, the boundaries of the velocity of light and theoretical zero velocity of Absolute Zero. The special relativity derived theoretical tachyon realm occurs beyond light speed and has theoretical properties. The less imaginary mass and real energy a tachyon instance has the higher its velocity, approaching infinity as mass and energy approach zero.

No one has even suggested let alone explored the theoretical possibilities at the opposite end of the velocity spectrum. Experiments have pushed the technological limits of reaching Absolute Zero, but it appears to be an asymptote. Twice as much effort is needed to halve the temperature from previous efforts; therefore, theoretically, an infinite quantity of effort is needed to achieve Absolute Zero. At Absolute Zero, no known or theoretical instance with dimension or velocity or matter-energy properties, but what if? Say a luton (absoluton) has somewhat similar propeties to a luxon (photon), except it is an imaginary absolute rest instance. Then assuming that the space-time continuum continues beyond absolute zero toward minus infinity instance velocity, there's a whole other realm, say the fractyon realm where minus velocity equals fractal dimensions. |N^(N-1)| when graphed shows interesting possibilities. That's an equation I invented for determining the complexity of a scientific model, where N equals the number of discernible discrete parts. 0 for N = undefined, 1 for N = 1, -1 for N = -1, 2 = 2, 3 = 9, 4 = 64 . . . 25 = 3.552713679^33. There's a continuous infinite nonparabolic curve on the plus side of the Zero asymptote, but fractal points along an inclined slope on the minus side.

All these dimensional possibilities might coexist as a divisible but as yet unobserved space-time continuum. If they were at one time in homogenous solution and then precipitated, might there be a big bang? Say a thought caused the precipitation. Let there be light.

Fractyon, luton, and absoluton are terms I've coined and claim exclusive rights to.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Extrinsic...maybe if you boiled it down to a haiku...
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
extrinsic, I think I'll stick with string theory, but time travel can easily be explained just using relativity.

Natej11, going into the observable future is easy. Every time an astronaut journeys into space, he/she is time traveling. It has been proven. If you put an atomic clock on board the space shuttle and have an atomic clock here on Earth both set precisely the same, there will be a time difference between them when the shuttle returns. Time is relative - Einstein. One minute always feels like one minute no matter how fast you're traveling. However, as one approaches the speed of light, what passes as a minute for the traveler, appears much longer to the observer.
Light travels at around 186,000 miles a second. If you got into a ship traveling half that speed (93,000 miles a second) and you circled the Earth, you could circle the Earth around 450 times in one minute according to the observer on Earth. However, the 450 trips would take less time for the person on the ship. If this continued for any length of time, and the orbit was just right, the constellations would appear to change much quicker to the astronaut while in the ship than they would normally back on Earth.

Traveling back in time would be more tricky, and I question whether there would be anything there. If you could move anywhere in the universe in a second and had a powerful enough telescope, you could see the Earth anytime in its past. Getting there may be a problem with relativity. Even though you can see it, that still means it happened a long time ago. I believe quantum mechanics solves this problem, but I'm not sure how.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Oh man, don't let math kill this post, like it did my degree.


 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
If there's anything that's not random, it's math, as close to a perfect language as there is. I find mathematical proofs to be works of art. I had struggles with college math, but got through the requirements and then some.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Not random? Explain pi.

Another headscratcher. How about imaginary numbers? Only math could prove the existence of an impossibility.

One subject that I was fascinated with was Geometry. Proofs, Theorems, Hypothesis; contemplating shapes without the cumbersome manipulation of numbers was an enlightening experience. I hated the mountain of homework but loved going over those proofs. It was like walking among the Greek scholars of yestermillenia working over those theorems.
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
I only have my lack of mathematical ability to blame for not being elected President of the U.S.

Actually, it kept me from applying to dental school. I became an accountant instead. Go figure.
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
There was this four-foot snake taking its leisure among the canned goods in the cupboard, a Northern Water Snake, Nerodia sipedon. It wasn't the first to come inside. I've encountered dozens in my homes over the years. Once, I came home to find two small males and a mature female engaged in a mating dance on the kitchen floor. I killed the males and left them outside for a hunting Pergrine that perched in a live oak beside the swampy drainage ditches where the snakes live. I've found many shed snake skins around the clothes dryer and the water heater.

One of the identifying characteristics of Neroidia is a distinctive double row of wide scales on the underside of its tail. They are often confused with cottonmouths and copperheads because they have similar markings elsewhere. Also over the years, people have brought me Neroidias they've killed because they wanted to show me what they were convinced were cottonmouths or copperheads. Neroidia is a nonpoisonous snake, and a beneficial one. I don't have a mice problem, though I live nearby a field mice haven.

Neroidia do bite and have an anticoagulant in their saliva, which makes a bite wound bleed liberally. I've not been bitten by one, but have been bitten by a boa constrictor. The eight-foot boa lost a fang. I got a small bruise on one of my knuckles. A small misunderstanding between a housemate--owner of the boa--the boa, and me. Snakes and I have natural enmities that are apparent to us, but not to others. The boa and I had another encounter involving a third party that's too grisly to relate here.

I've also caught rattlers, cottonmouths, and copperheads, but never a coral snake, though I've seen a few in the wild. I don't seek out snakes. For some reason they seek me. My earliest experience with a snake was with a rattler in the mountains of Southern California when I was a young lad of seven years. Grandma was about to take a squat on the snake when I pointed it out to her. We shared a common bond in the way snakes seek us out. The rattler and I had a staring contest while grandma hysterically ran off screaming. The rattler flinched first and slithered off.

Snake tastes like gamey catfish.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I had to quit school after college. It was interfering with my education.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I had a wicked nightmare last night. I don't get too many nightmares--in fact I rarely remember more than fleeting wisps of my dreams--but this was a humdinger.
Do any of you have nightmares in deep limited third person pov?
And do you think this is unique to authors? My husband has nightmares on a regular basis, but he always seems to stay himself in them.

At the risk of being psychoanalyzed and declared a total nut, here's my dream:
My 4 year old son and I were at my sister's house, which was this humungous mansion type thing with bamboo walkways that kept going gradually up to different levels (in the dream, not in real life). My son was scared, and he wanted to go home, and I told him we could, but instead of leaving I turned on the TV. My sister was watching the same show upstairs and we kept calling to each other. It was a show we watched all the time, and it was about this man with superpowers. He had a wife that he loved very much, but in this episode he is getting out of bed with his ex-wife, and it quickly becomes apparent that he has forgotten all about his current wife through some magical spell. My sister and I were calling back and forth to each
other about how it wasn't very realistic and how they'd made him forget about his wife too many times, and if he loved her as much as he acted like he did, no magic spell would be able to make him forget about her like that.

Suddenly I WAS the man, and the whole mansion, including my son, just vanished. I was driving down the road (and it gets
complicated here, so I'm going to start using third person instead of first), and suddenly this overhead compartment pops open, and there is his wife, shoved inside with her mouth open in a scream--but the woman was really ME. Suddenly the man remembers everything, and he pulls his dead wife (who is me, except that I'm still the man in my dream) out of the compartment and flies up in the air with her, and the car goes plunging off the road into the ocean. The woman who is me is obviously dead, but somehow the man thinks he can save her if he can just fly high enough. So he's flying with his dead wife and suddenly her arm breaks off and the rest of her body falls into the ocean. He is afraid he'll never find her now,
but he holds onto the arm and plunges straight down into the water and finds his wife--the plunge into the ocean has brought her back to life, and he scoops her up before she can drown and flies back to my sister's house, although the woman is screaming and saying that she doesn't want to go there. Then they are trapped in this endless loop of looking for my sister and my son--who is gone.
It was AWFUL and so vivid.

Melanie
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:
When I got divorced, my wife said she would fight for custody of the kids.

Took her out with one f#cking punch.


quote:
Statistically... 9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.

quote:
A woman brings eight-year-old Johnny home and tells his mother that he was caught playing doctors and nurses with Mary, her eight-year-old daughter.

Johnny's mother says, "Let's not be too harsh on them.... they are bound to be curious about sex at that age."

"Curious about sex?" replies Mary's mother. "He's taken her f#cking appendix out!"


quote:

A family are driving behind a garbage truck when a dildo flies out and thumps against the windshield. Embarrassed, and to spare her young son's innocence, the mother turns around and says, "Don't worry; that was an insect."

To which, her son replies, "Really? I'm surprised it could get off the ground with a ***k like that."


quote:

I met a 14 year old girl on the internet. She was clever, funny, flirty and sexy, so I suggested we meet up.

She turned out to be an undercover detective. How cool is that, at her age?!


quote:
I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed.

How could anyone stoop so low?


quote:

I was at a cash machine when an old lady walked up and asked me to help her check her balance.

So I pushed her over.


quote:

I was walking down the road when I saw an Afghani guy standing on a fifth floor balcony shaking a carpet.

I shouted up to him, "What's up, Abdul? Won't the b#stard start?"


quote:
Old Father O'Malley was strolling through the church grounds one sunny summer evening, when he came upon a little frog sitting by a tree. "My Lord," he said, picking it up: "You're the saddest, most forlorn-looking frog I've ever seen. I only wish you could speak, so that you might tell me your troubles."

The frog replied, "Actually, I can. You see, I was once a choirboy in this very parish. One day I offended a passing Gypsy, and she put a curse on me that turned me into a talking frog."

"Incredible!" said Father O'Malley. "Is there anything I might do to help you?"

"Actually yes, there is. The Gypsy said that if I can find somebody to take me home and let me sleep in their bed, the curse will be lifted and I'll be back to normal."

"Well," said Father O'Malley, "the good Lord teaches us to be charitable. I think I can manage that."

So Father O'Malley picked up the little frog and put it in his pocket. That night he placed it gently on the pillow beside him and drifted off into a long, dreamy sleep. When he awoke the next morning, the frog had turned back into a choirboy, just as it had said it would.

And that, Your Honor, is the case for the defense...



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Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Ahem!

We need a Smily for the look that Drabble's father gives him (something like Z( maybe?) In absence of that, perhaps this will do:


 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I dream in third person occasionally, but I never meet myself in the dream.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Every other month or two, I get something that looks like it might be shaped into an idea I can then shape into a story. The last time was last week.

Other than that, they run the gamut. Characters from whatever I'm watching or reading wander through...I revisit (a) old familiar places, or (b) places I'm familiar with but have never seen before...dreams where I'm wallowing in a familiar word that begins with "S"...dreams of being frustrated by this or that, usually at work (but I get enough of that in real life).

Not much in the way of nightmares. The last disturbing dream I had---I'd say it was sub-nightmare, though it did wake me up---I was swimming underwater and I had to get to the surface to breathe...only when I reached the surface, instead of bursting through, I found it was a pane of unbreakable glass and I was trapped.
 


Posted by AmieeRock (Member # 8393) on :
 
I don't have many nightmares, but the last one I had, about 4 years ago, was so bad that I was afraid to go to sleep alone for about a year and a half after. The night after I had it, I went to work at the jail, and they sent me home early, at about 2-3 AM. I had to drive some really rural roads to get home and I was terrified the entire way.If my husband was away, I'd stay up all night watching "happy" movies and would always have a large weapon near by. I don't even remember what it was about.

Often, I have the same dream several times in a night, only each time I have the dream, I'm a different character in the dream. In these dreams, though, I'm never in them as myself.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Actually there are two familiar words beginning in "S" that I could be wallowing in in my dreams. One happens too often...the other doesn't happen often enough...
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I tend to dream about what happens next in my current WIP. It's quite annoying because then if I wake up in the middle of the night I have to jump up and write down my dreams before I forget them. And then the cat decides that's the signal to get up for the day and starts yowling for breakfast :-)
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
My sister thinks that my dream means that I watch Heroes too much. She also says she would never own a bamboo walkway, so my dream will never happen. That's good, since the rest of the dream was so darn realistic, I was getting worried
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
The only dream I have on a recurring basis is the one where I lose control of the car and plummet off the side of a mountain with my children in the backseat. I always drive extra careful after that one.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I've got to say it, satate: Maybe if you drove carefule before the dream, you wouldn't have it. (Drive safe. )
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The theory still goes that if you can't remember it, it couldn't have been any good. I suppose this goes for ideas found in dreams, too.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
So I was out at a pub the other day and came across this sign. Had to share :-)

Rules of the Inn

NO THIEVES, FAKIRS, ROGUES
or TINKERS
NO SKULKING LOAFERS or
FLEA-BITTEN TRAMPS

NO 'SLAP an'TICKLE o'THE WENCHES
NO BANGING o'TANKARDS on the TABLES
NO DOGS ALLOWED IN THE KITCHEN
NO COCKFIGHTING

FLINTLOCKS, CUDGELS,
DAGGERS and SWORDS
to be handed to the INNKEEPER
for safe-keeping

Bed for the Night 1 Shilling
Stabling for Horse 4 pence

1786

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Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
LOL. Kitti, that's great! Thanks for sharing.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I had to re-read the bottom because I saw "Stabbing" instead of "Stabling" and thought it was a rather odd service.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Whatever happened to the Archies?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Whatever happened to the Archies?

Archie's freckles faded as did his red hair. It started thining to the point where he was bald at thirty. He realized his first big mistake of signing up To be all you can be the first morning when the drill sergent banged metal garbage can lids together. He did his four years and now hangs out near the VA over by the freeway off ramp with a dirty rag and a free offer to clean your windshield.

Jughead learned that a youths metabolism slows down dramatically in your twenties. The thin stick figure double, than tripled his size in ten years. He can be seen on sunny days waddling down the street in a effort to exersize. He walks to the donut shop and back home everyday.

Betty took her good looks to hollywood where she became very aggresive at trying to get noticed. You could see her in the background of some of the paparazzi's photos of the secondary stars of the day. Boomhauser of King of the Hill, Moe of The Simpson's, and Mr Garrett of South Park; too name a few. The last time she made the news was the infamous 911 call that Dilbert made in which she ended up in jail. She was last seen waiting tables at a Denny's in Long Beach.

Reggie ended up on top and married Veronica (the real reason why Archie enlisted). Veronica was used to a life of letting other people do things for her and let her husband managed her family's vast fortune. Reggie proceeded to invest all the money in a can't miss fortune 500 company: Enron. Things got really touchy in the mansion after that. Matters didn't improve when the Mr and Mrs found their counterparts profile on Asheley Madison.

Moose got a scholarship to Nebraska as the football teams left tackle. Prospects were looking up until a NCAA offical happen to peak into his open locker and saw all those vials of steroids. He is currently working in the World Wrestling Alliance as the Masked Maniac.

 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
I just want to know: 1. Why was he always wearing a crown?; and 2. Why do I remind my mom of him?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was thinkin of the musical group. I read various Archie comics all the time, at least lately.

(My freckles and red hair are still with me, though the latter is thinner and gray at the edges. I'm told I have a bald spot, though I can't see it from here.)
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Speaking of Heroes.

So they totally broke the rules when Sylar got stabbed in the head and then survived it. The rules said that is how you kill him, he killed him, and then he healed.

That said, I'm glad. Sylar is the best thing on that show.

But still. You can't break the rules without an explanation.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Really? Sylar drives me crazy sometimes. I was esp. annoyed about how the thing with him and Elle ended.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It took me a minute to realize you were talking about "Heroes" the TV show...rather obviously, I don't watch it.

*****

Ever feel you're having your nose rubbed in some aspect of popular culture you're completely unfamiliar with? I don't mean anything with computers or the Internet or cell phones or whatever...they're always coming up with something new that (sometimes) I fail to catch up with.

I mean something that seems to be all over the place but you have no idea what it is. For example: I keep seeing these little white oval stickers on cars...they'll have two or three letters in them...but what are they there for, and what do they mean? That, so far, has eluded me completely...

(Sometimes I find it in others. A couple of months ago, my mother denied any knowledge of "rock, paper, scissors," which others in my family found hard to believe...)
 


Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
shimiqua, I'm not so sure they broke the rules with Sylar... I seem to recall them doing the same thing with Peter & Claire in previous seasons. I think the mistake they made was saying "kill" instead of "indefinately incapacitate"... doesn't have quite the same ring to it, I guess.

*Edit* Oops... realized after I got home that I hadn't seen the latest episode... you are totally right. Really left me scratching my head.

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Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Robert - in a word "TWITTER." Up until a few weeks ago, I didn't have the faintest idea what it was.

And before that, I managed to go several months before finally asking someone what a Blog was.

The little round stickers have abbreviations of place names in them. OBX is Outer Banks, that's the only one I know for sure. It might even be the origin of them, for all I know It's declaring the location of your beach house...
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Here is my deep dark secret:

I think Spongebob is hilarious and sometimes really well done. Hahahahahaha, I must be going crazy.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The airports of this country have three-letter designations---which I had to be familiar with for my job of shipping the mail around the country.

But they often don't seem to have anything to do with the actual name or nearby place. JFK in New York is JFK, while LaGuardia is LGA, but Newark is EWR---unless I'm misremembering, which is possible because for the past dozen years I've dealt with incoming mail, and the letters are for outgoing mail.

Some of the little round stickers don't seem to match up with anything I'm familiar with. I wouldn't have picked "OBX" for Outer Banks, for instance...

*****

"Spongebob" seemed to me to be one of those "we know we're in a cartoon so we don't have to behave like real people" cartoons. I don't mind breaking the fourth wall but I do mind cartoons with characters that behave in this way.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
quote:
Really? Sylar drives me crazy sometimes. I was esp. annoyed about how the thing with him and Elle ended.

After publically declaring that I hated the way they were trying to turn Sylar into a good guy, I went and totally bought into it, and I'm still upset at how they pulled the carpet out underneath me. I don't think an author could get away with something like that. And I'm still not sure they did get away with it--at least with me.
Melanie

 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Spongebob is cool, so is Patrick Star.

God made cartoons so we would have kids so we can have a good excuse to watch them in are 30's and 40's.


 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I imagine they are going to explain how Sylar survived fairly soon.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
I have for the past several hours been extensively pondering, down to the minutest detail, various means, methods, and models for the improvement of my various writing techniques. Samples taken from past works and present projects thoroughly dissected and reexamined have finally and unequivocally offered the most efficient means by which my prose can be improved. And the means by which this effect can best be achieved is the complete and total eradication of extraneous information and detail, cutting the verbiage down to the sharpest and most concise form.

After I realized this I went back and did some major editing. For example, the above paragraph reads much better as four words:

Keep it simple, stupid.

(seriously though, this is one of my major problems >.< )
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, the cartoons I like tend to be the ones not embraced by mass culture, the ones whose characters become pop icons---and, coincidentally, these same cartoons also tend to have characters who strike up histrionic poses and talk as if they're speaking for the ages and not to each other.

On Nickelodeon, for me, it's "Spongebob" no, "Hey, Arnold!" yes. On the Cartoon Network, it's "Powerpuff Girls," no, "Ed, Edd, 'n' Eddy" yes. (Search my name for the depth of my devotion to one other cartoon show in particular.)

(A lot of ones I like don't last very long. I miss "Mike, Lu, and Og" to this day.)
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Cartoon wise there are a lot of shows I miss. Histeria, and Animaniacs, and Eek the cat (Thundersaurs rule!) being the top three.

Nowadays cartoons are just not quite as cool, though it could be just I'm not as cool as I was when I was younger.

Man, I feel like an old person.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Mmm... does anyone remember Seabert or Belle & Sebastian?
(If you're looking them up on www.imdb.com, btw, they're not under their English titles - look for bibifoc and meiken jolie)

I don't think the cartoons are ever - quite - as cool as we remember them. I spent last summer transferring all my old VHS tapes to DVD and there were some cringe-worthy episodes! That said, I miss (the original) My Little Ponies, because the characters were always bursting into song. THAT was awesome.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
When I explored the Warner Bros. cartoon oevre after some twenty years (and now over ten years ago---they don't seem to be on any channels I get, and I've only picked up a couple of DVD collections), I found them even better than they were before. Somewhere in the process of what they euphemistically call "growing up," I picked up a lot of info...and got a lot of things that had sailed over my head before. (In a couple of cases, I got something that sailed over the heads of some people compiling reference books on them.)

On the other hand, sampling "The Flinstones" around the same time...they seemed to have lessened. I found the drawing and writing couldn't match either the Warner cartoons, or most of the new TV stuff that was starting to come out.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:
Cartoon wise there are a lot of shows I miss.

I hear you:

How many do you remember?
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Of that particular list? 3
Just as an aside, IB, very few things on your lists ever ring a bell with me. Are you sure we grew up on the same planet?
Melanie
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
God, Ren & Stimpy. I think I was okay having forgotten that one... and Thundarr the Barbarian... who knew how much junk was floating around in my brain? Other than that, the ones I remember off your list are Scooby Doo, The Jetsons, Johny Quest, The Superfriends, Pinky and the Brain, and Mighty Mouse.

Hmm, and I can think of loads of other programs you didn't list. Maybe I rotted my brain with too much TV when I was a kid...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A couple of my primary sources for new (and old) cartoons seem to have dried up...Disney doesn't run much anymore (even Toon Disney switched to running those lame and awful kid sitcoms), and Nickelodeon did more-or-less the same.

Of late I've been drawn to three on "Discovery Kids"..."Tutenstein," "Growing Up Creepie," and "The Future is Wild"...though it's been a long time since any of 'em ran a new episode, despite claiming they will practically every day.

*****

How long between new episodes of a cartoon? There are several steps: [STEP 1] Run the first two episodes as a special. [STEP 2] Repeat both episodes at least twice within a week. [STEP 3] Run the third new episode. [STEP 4] Repeat all three episodes. [STEP 4] Run the fourth new episode. [STEP 5 AND BEYOND] Repeat this cycle until at least thirteen new episodes have been used up.
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Crusader Rabbit, Beany & Cecil, Howdy Doody. Rocky & Bullwinkle

Do these date me?
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
My favorites growing up (that I can remember right now) were Scooby Doo, Vultron, Thundercats, Smurfs, Rainbow Bright, My little Pony, Talespin, Ducktales, and Tom and Jerry.

My favorite cartoons that are on right now are Little Bear and Phineas and Ferb. I like Spongebob on some days.

Edited to add: I forgot X-men and Batman.

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Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Thundercats Ho!!!!
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I remember 15 of those, IB. You've inspired me to make my own Saturday morning and week-day 3PM list:

1.Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies (Chuck Jones, especially)
2.Animaniacs and Pinky and the Brain (Spielberg and Warner Brothers - genius and insane)
3.Droopy (kind of a cartoon-slut - has shown up in all major cartoon companies, except - I think - Disney)
4.Hanna-Barbera
- The Flintstones (pre- teen Bam-Bam and Pebbles)
- The Jetsons (Flintstones in the future)
- Scooby-Doo (before Scrappy or Scooby-Dum)
- Tom and Jerry (The Road Runner and Cayote, but funnier)
- The Yogi Bear Show (said Hey, Hey, Hey before Fat Albert)
- Speed Buggy (Scooby-Doo as a car)
- Hong Kong Phooey (Scatman Crothers - the black guy from The Shining - as a wannabe superdog with a clever cat)
- Super Friends (pre- Wonder Twins)
- Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels (Scooby-Doo as a caveman with super powers)
5.Sid and Marty Kroft -
- H.R. Pufnstuff (inspired 70's McDonald's commercials - inspired by Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds - kind of)
- Sigmund and the Sea Monsters (Caspar as a giant blob of seaweed)
- Far Out Space Nuts (Gillagan's Island in space - literally - with Bob Denver)
- Dr. Shrinker (kind of like Land of the Giants - another classic)
- Wonderbug (Speed Buggy in real life)
- Land of the Lost (Jurassic Park befor CGI)
6.Deputy Dawg (picture a smart Rosco P. Coltrane as a dog - pre-Dukes)
7.ThunderCats (the best cartoon in the 80's - forget Transformers)
8.Bobby's World (Howie Mandel created this when he still had hair)
9.SpongeBob SquarePants (I resisted as long as I could - resistence is futile)
10.Phineas and Ferb (the best new cartoon - and the best soundtrack too)
Honorable Mention:
- The New Adventures of Flash Gordon (animated Star Wars version of Flash Gordon)

(These are partially in order of preference and partially chronological - there's your "randomness", shimiqua.

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Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Phineas and Ferb is the only cartoon I'd be willing to watch without the kids around. I love it, makes me laugh every time.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Anyone remember the Snorks?
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Oh ya I remember the snorks. I liked them.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Captain Caveman was a Flintstones spin-off, he was the Superman of the Flintstones.

Hong Kong Phooey was a karate-dog and an accidental hero.

What's the matter with the wonder twins? Except one always a form water. Boy what trouble I could get into with those powers: Form of a g-string...

*Blaskstar was a cross between Planet of the Apes's crashed spaceman and He-man's "Sword of Power" (before He-Man).
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I remember "Thundercats." Not 'cause I watched it...at the time, I worked at a Burger King. They had a tie-in promotion with the show. If kids came in, we were to greet them with the rallying cry of "THUNDERCATS, HO!"

This failed to catch on, on the utter refusal of everybody then working in the place to actually say it...
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
He-man, oh ya, I used to like the female version of that. She-ra Princess of Power. I even had her as an action figure with her horse and friend. I think it was my favorite cartoon for a while.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Actually, IB, Hong Kong Phooey was a Kung-Fu dog, but my point was that he wore a mask and had a secret identity. He even had a secret lair underneath the police station and had a "super-car" called the Phooeymobile. His "good cat, Spot" always nabbed the bad guys, and Phooey got full credit and thought it was all his own doing. HKP was a personal favorite of mine.

Captain Caveman had actually been out a few years before he appeared on an updated and inferior version of The Flintstones.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I actually liked Superfriends even after the Wonder Twins, but I didn't like the Wonder Twins themselves. They were there for comic relief, and instead annoyed the guano out of me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I have a certain like for the early "Schoolhouse Rock" cartoons.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Missing three classics that deserve to be mentioned.

1930's and 40's Popeye

Excessively violent and racist to the point of you won't see it on TV anymore but to listen to the mumbling dialog is the best. Some of the funniest things you could ever hear.

Johnny Quest

A family life that would be highly suspicious in today's world but the intro music and storylines were the funnest to watch in the 70's. The Venture brothers on Adult swim is a pretty good spoof on it (they even showed a 50 year old Raji with Johnny in the background on one episode). For an old cartoon, it was kicka**.

Underdog

Okay, it was a very lame take off on Superman. The superdrug/pep pill is definitely not the message you want youngsters to hear these days but it had the greatest intro song ever.

quote:
When criminals in this world appear,
And break the laws and place you fear,
And frighten all you see and hear,
A cry goes out both far and near for
Under-dog!
Underdog!
Under-dog
Underdog!
Speed of lightening,
Roar of thunder,
Fight-ing all who rob or blunder,
Under-dog!
Underdog, Underdog!

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Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
This discussion is getting much to focused for the random musing thread.
So...
I just ate some good pork today.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Oh good. I was just thinking the same thing.

I broke a tooth. And it's raining. Today is not off to a very good start.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
You know, whenever I go to Boston lately, someone in my family gets run over.
 
Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
I had a thought once... but it died of loneliness.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
I miss
Jackanory
Blue Peter
Dougal and the magic roundabout
The Clangers
The Wombles
Bill and Ben
Andy Pandy
Ken Dod and the Diddy men
Trumpton
Joe Ninety
Thunderbirds
Bassell Brush
Rolf Harris

Later I missed
Tomorrow People
Blake's Seven
Dr Who
Fawlty Towers
Not the Nine O'Clock news

BTW many of these shows were watched in 'Gasp' Black and White because Mum couldn't afford the colour TV or the colour TV license. And my Grandpa had the biggest Meccano collection I've ever seen.

More will come to me all day

[This message has been edited by tnwilz (edited April 27, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:

Johnny Quest

A family life that would be highly suspicious in today's world but the intro music and storylines were the funnest to watch in the 70's. The Venture brothers on Adult swim is a pretty good spoof on it (they even showed a 50 year old Raji with Johnny in the background on one episode). For an old cartoon, it was kicka**.


snapper... you did read my list, right? Not only did I have Johnny Quest, I mentioned the "real lips" that they dubbed over the cartoon ones in the original show! LoL

Go-Go Gophers was part of the Underdog show--I figured those who recognized it would know. Kind of like Wally Gator being a part of the (unmentioned) Woody Woodpecker show.

But, you're right, the original Popeye, Looney Tunes, and Flintstones I didn't think needed mentioning, since they're so well known.<shrug>

There are a lot I didn't mention:

I still love the cartoon movies (some of these are NOT for children):

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited April 27, 2009).]
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_by_Enid_Blyton

Will you ever write that many books?
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I sure did miss it.

I could start a whole new thread on Quest. What was that quartet about anyway. Two guys traveling the world together (never remembered seeing or hearing about Johnny's mom) and they somehow got a third world young boy to travel with them. Funny they were never in the states. You think Dr. Quest was avoiding the law?
 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

Let's go Capitals!

How's that for randomness? Nobody's mentioned hockey yet!

S!
S!...C!


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The happiest day of my life was when the Mets won Game Six of the 1986 World Series.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Back on cartoons...the Popeye cartoons are out on DVD through 1943...the last of which contained "Happy Birthdaze," my all-time favorite Popeye cartoon.

Even when someone shows them on TV, it's almost always the color ones...or these absolutely dreadful so-called "colorized" versions...but they're not colorized, they've actually been redrawn in color...and extremely poorly drawn as well...

*****

I remembered another cartoon series from the early 1990s (I think) that I liked but that has disappeared without a trace. "Taz-Mania," another chronicling of the adventures of a Warner Bros. player.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Here's a riddle - can anyone tell me the only (as far as I know) Disney (partially) animated movie that has never been released on VHS or DVD?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Song of the South, staring Brair Rabbit.

I agree Robert. Those later Popeyes were awful.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Isn't Song of the South the one that has zipadee do dah in it?
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
It does have zipideedodah (or however you spell it). I think it's actually been released in Europe, but it was prevented from being released in the US because of concerns about racism.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, the later theatrical Popeye cartoons, through sometime in the 1950s, kept the standards pretty high, even if they didn't reach the zany heights of the Fleischer cartoons of the 1930s...then Paramount closed the studio and hired a succession of people to put out some absolutely awful cartoons. The "colorized" remakes, sometime in the 1980s I think, amounted to debasing good cartoons.

"Song of the South" was released on tape and laserdisc (but not DVD) in Japan at some point, maybe Europe, too...but never in the USA. Another variety of problem with "colorization," actually. (I gather some editing was done to later releases of "Fantasia" (and the home version) for this same reason.)

Has "The Reluctant Dragon" ever been released to the home market?
 


Posted by Jeff M (Member # 7828) on :
 
As I was channel surfing a couple of nights ago, I caught an episode of Rick and Steve: The Happiest Gay Couple in All The World. Never heard of it before, but OMG was it hilarious. I love a good satire, and the writers absolutely nailed it. Love the animated Lego figures too. A bit over the top at times, but I think the beauty of animation is it allows one to indulge in hyperbole.

Random Thought:
Don't believe what they tell you... acupuncture does hurt. But in a good way.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
What channel is it on?

*****

I'm having cable television trouble, where I seem to get the channels on my digital tier only at certain times of the day. I've replaced the cable box. I think it might be a problem somewhere between the wall and the box...but today I tried to get some three-foot cable at two different places, neither of which had what I needed.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
That reminds me. Did you ever hear of the FCC commisioner that commented on the quality of Television in the late 50's early 60's? He said Americans that turn on their TV's view a vast wasteland.
He received a letter from a viewer wanting to know what time "Vast Wasteland" was on.
 
Posted by Jeff M (Member # 7828) on :
 
Robert,
Teletoon here in Canada. I don't know where it airs in the States. You can probably download episodes from somewhere. In fact, I'm considering cancelling my cable altogether and downloading (legally) shows I want to watch. However, it seems trying to do it legally is a lot more difficult than illegally. Itunes has a relatively limited selection, and at $1.99/ep, it might not end up being any cheaper than paying for cable.

 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I Googled it...seems to have been on Logo...Logo is on my digital tier and I get it...when I get it (see above).

*****

The "vast wasteland" FCC chairman was named Newton Minnow...and the "Minnow," the wrecked ship on "Gilligan's Island," was named after him 'cause the producer / creator Sherwood Schwartz blamed Minnow for ruining the quality of TV of its day.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Here's something random: I remember when, during the third season of Lost, Heroes came out and everyone was writing Lost off and were annointing Heroes as the new "king" of sci-fi (sorry Battlestar fans, but that was the "word"). Now look at them all.

The third season of Heroes, including the finale, completely blew chunks, and Lost is having one of its best seasons ever (actually two good seasons in a row). Oh, and Battlestar ended by saying "God did it", which I found to be a bit of a cop-out. Not that God couldn't have done it, but it was definitely a "soap-operahish" conclusion.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I enjoy singing with the radio in my car, but I pretend I don't when people look over.

That's gonna change.

I love to watch people singing along alone in their cars, it makes my day. Why should I deny the world the pleasure of watching someone make a fool of themselves? Even if that fool is me.

~Sheena
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'll singalong, in the car, in the shower, maybe when it's just me alone in my house and the radio playing. (Actually I pump my iPod through a dinky transmitter thing into my old Grundig Satellit 400.)
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 
Beware the day I pull up next to you at an intersection, playing air bass guitar.

S!
S!...C!

 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
That's why I moved to the middle of nowhere--I don't think I could drive unless I was singing.

Here's my brilliant solution: If I happen to be stuck at a light, and I'm feeling self-conscious, I'll put my mp3 player next to my ear and pretend like I'm talking on the phone.

If I'm not feeling self-conscious, I'll start dancing in my seat too. Either way, I'm sure I'm entertaining someone!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've been dubbing some old LPs and 45s onto CDs, then putting the resulting tracks in my iTunes. Partly it's to avoid some of the expense of buying CDs or downloading tracks (though the time spent doing it instead of, say, writing, must be worth something)...but, then, I've got some stuff that's never been out on CD or available for download on iTunes.

(I also took my old copy of "Abbey Road" and made Side Two into one big track---something I never could figure out how to do with "Abbey Road" on CD...)
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
almost to 500...

Can anyone explain to me why, when you ask for "just a little bit" of sauce on something, the people serving you are just as likely to dump gobs and gobs of sauce on as to listen to you?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm reminded of "Beverly Hillbillies Mountain Measurements." Herein:

“A smidgen is just a teeeenie, little bit…


3 smidgens make one pinch


4 pinches equals one little bit


4 little bits equal one midlin’ amount


3 midlin’ amounts equal one right smart and it takes 5 right smarts to make a whole heap.”

*****

Yes, I copied it off some website.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Okay, so it's five hundred.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Is this the record then? Somehow, I don't think so.
 
Posted by annepin (Member # 5952) on :
 
Things I like to eat while writing:

cherries
chocolate
prosciutto
cashews
strawberries
toast. with jam.

[This message has been edited by annepin (edited May 04, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
For me:

 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I generally avoid eating while writing these days...but, when I must, it's usually a (small) bag of potato chips, or sometimes a bowl of cut watermelon.

It wasn't always like this...though it's never been easy to prepare a decent meal while also sitting at my typewriter / word processor / computer.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Ice cream.
~Sheena
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I've recently become addicted to caramel shortbread... so that's mostly what I munch on (and McVities digestives).

I once made the mistake of eating a bagel with spreadable cheese on it. The cat, in her attempt to steal my breakfast, smacked my bagel with her paw, then walked all over the keyboard, getting cheese EVERYWHERE.
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Wait Kitti, you're in London and you don't remember any of the kids shows I listed?? Are you an American werewolf in London?
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Diet Dr. Pepper, Dove Dark chocolate and anything munchie with a lot of salt and a lot of fat.

Did I say I've gained weight while writing?
 


Posted by Andromoidus (Member # 8514) on :
 
mostly I eat chilli cheese fries when I write.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
A joke I just HAD to share (Rommel will love this one):

Katie Couric , Charlie Gibson , Brian Williams and a tough old U.S. Marine Sergeant were captured by terrorists in Iraq.

The leader of the terrorists told them he'd grant each of them one last request before they were beheaded and dragged naked through the streets.

Katie Couric said, 'Well, I'm a Southerner, so I'd like one last plate of fried chicken.'

The leader nodded to an underling who left and returned with the chicken.

Couric ate it all and said, 'Now I can die content.'

Charlie Gibson said, 'I'm living in New York, so I'd like to hear the song, The Moon and Me, one last time.'

The terrorist leader nodded to another terrorist who had studied the Western world and knew the music. He returned with some rag-tag musicians and played the song.

Gibson was satisfied.

Brian Williams said, 'I'm a reporter to the end. I want to take out my tape recorder and describe the scene here and what's about to happen. Maybe, someday, someone will hear it and know that I was on the job till the end.'

The leader directed an aide to hand over the tape recorder and Williams dictated his comments.

He then said, 'Now I can die happy.'

The leader turned and said, 'And now, Mr. U.S. Marine, what is your final wish?

'Kick me in the a**,' said the Marine.

'What?' asked the leader, 'Will you mock us in your last hour?'

'No, I'm NOT kidding. I want you to kick me in the a**,' insisted the Marine.

So the leader shoved him into the yard and kicked him in the a**.

The Marine went sprawling, but rolled to his knees, pulled a 9 mm pistol from inside his cammies and shot the leader dead. In the resulting confusion, he emptied his sidearm on six terrorists, then with his knife he slashed the throat of one, and with an AK-47, which he took, sprayed the rest of the terrorists killing another 11. In a flash, all of them were either dead or fleeing for their lives.

As the Marine was untying Couric, Gibson, and Williams, they asked him, 'Why didn't you just shoot them all in the first place? Why did you ask him to kick you in the a**?'

'What?' replied the Marine, 'and have you three a**hole's report that I was the aggressor....?


 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
tnwilz - I prefer to think of myself as a transAtlantic werekitty :-)

 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Did you all know that yesterday was STAR WARS day?

May the Fourth be with you.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I do do a lot of drinking when I write (or when I'm online in front of the computer, which is physically practically the same thing).

Soft drink drinking, that is. My mainstay is Mountain Dew, which is substituted with Orange Crush and Minute Maid Lemonade, all in cans. Occasionally I throw in a Coke or Pepsi.

PepsiCo has recently introduced something called "Throwback" drinks. I only know about Pepsi and Mountain Dew; maybe there are others. Also I've only seen them in cans.

Ostensibly they're made with "natural sugar"---I don't know just what that is, where they're getting it or how it's processed, but I know they usually use corn syrup rather than refined sugar 'cause of the expense of the latter.

Either way, I tried both the Pepsi and the Mountain Dew---I can't say much different about the Pepsi but the Mountain Dew does have a better taste in my mouth, at least.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
It's probably made without the high fructose corn syrup. I don't know about Pepsi, but American Coke started using HFCS instead of sugar in the 90s, at the same time they switched from those fat glass bottles to the plastic ones.

Ha! Knew that trip to the Coca-Cola factory in Georgia would come in handy one day :-)
 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

Pepsi Throwback made it to northern Virginia, but I've only seen it in one store, and only in plastic bottles.

Initial thought: infinitely better than the HFCS-infested Coke Classics I've been drinking...there's no sense of a heavy syrup-y aftertaste.

Pepsi says the Throwback version will be for a limited time. As long as that 'limited' timeframe is set for sometime after the apocalypse, I'll be happy.

BTW...I drink way too much of this stuff while I write.

S!
S!...C!

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
They tell me they make a kosher Coke around Passover---I've never seen it, but they tell me this---which contains sugar instead of corn syrup. One of the writeups said a lot of people stock up on it around that time.

I get glass bottles of "regular" Coke all the time...they're for my mother, who won't drink it any other way unless she has to.

I've seen an ad on TV for Pepsi Throwback...didn't say much about it (these things never do), just that it's out there.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Barack Obama was visiting a primary school and he visited one of the classes.

They were in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.

The teacher asked the president if he would like to lead the discussion

on the word 'tragedy'.

So our illustrious president asked the class for an example of a 'tragedy.'

One little boy stood up and offered: "If my best friend, who lives on a farm, is

playing in the field and a tractor runs over him and kills him, that would be a tragedy."

"No," said Obama, "that would be an accident."

A little girl raised her hand: 'If a school bus carrying 50 children drove over a cliff,

killing everyone inside, that would be a tragedy...'

"I'm afraid not," explained Obama."That's what we would call great loss."

The room went silent. No other children volunteered. Obama searched the room.

"Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?"

Finally at the back of the room, Little Johnny raised his hand. In a quiet voice he said:

"If the plane carrying you and Mrs. Obama was struck by a friendly fire missile and

blown to smithereens that would be a tragedy."

"Fantastic!" exclaimed Obama."That's right. And can you tell me why that would be tragedy?'

"Well," says the boy, "It has to be a tragedy, because it certainly

wouldn't be a great loss... And it probably wouldn't be an accident either."

 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Some people procrastinate. Some people waste time. Some people delve into pointless endeavors. Then there is me.

Random musings is the most popular thread in the history of hatrack. Why? Ask some of the members. Here are some interesting facts that do not include the 17 post behind this one.

Statistics on the first 500 post

Number of members that posted in RM: 36

Who posted the most: Robert Nowall 93 times

(Next closest was IB at 38)

Number of members that posted only once: 6

Number of members that posted at least ten times: 19

Number of members that posted at least twenty times: 10

Number of times KDW posted: 10

Last one to join the thread: Jeff M at post 487

Number of post deleted: 2

Longest post: Inarticulate Babbler (fitting, ain't it?) 910 words on 03/30/09

Keep it up. A thousand is on the way.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited May 06, 2009).]
 


Posted by annepin (Member # 5952) on :
 
Geez, Robert, you're responsible for almost a fifth of the postings! I feel like we should hand you some award or something.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Welcome Annepin! You are the newest member RM club!

Edited to add - I didn't see your previous post. Still got in after 500

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited May 06, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
What can I say? One thing sets off another, and I'm off. (That and I don't get to use much of this stuff floating around in my mind around the house or at work.)

By the way, the last time I heard InarticulateBabbler's joke, the leader in question was "Comrade Stalin," not "Barack Obama."
 


Posted by annepin (Member # 5952) on :
 
It's probably one of those "insert politician's name here" jokes.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One looks over to the other and asks: "Does this taste funny to you?"
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Ad in the newspaper:
"Invisible man seeking transparent woman to do things never seen before."

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited May 07, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Stevie Wonder was given a cheese-grate for Christmas, he said it was the most violent book he'd ever read.

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited May 07, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
A woman decides to spice up her sex life so she goes to Victoria's Secret and buys some crotchless panties. Her husband comes home and she walks seductively over to where he is sitting, puts one leg up on the arm of the couch and says "You want some of this baby?" He looks and says "Hell no! Look what it did to those panties."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I saw a friend with two black eyes and asked him what happened. He explained that a woman at the mall was walking in front of him with her dress caught in her crack. Trying to be helpful, he reached over and pulled the dress free. The woman turned around and smacked him.

"That's awful," I said. "But how'd you get the other black eye?"

He said, "Well, when I saw how mad she got, I tried to stuff the dress back in there again."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A ninety-year-old man is sitting on a park bench, sobbing. A young man walks by, and seeing the old man's misery, he stops and asks him what's wrong.

Through his tears the old man answers, "I'm in love with a twenty-five-year-old woman."

"What's wrong with that?" asks the young man.

Between the sobs and sniffles, he answers, "You wouldn't understand. Every morning before she goes to work, we make love. At lunchtime she comes home and we make love again, and then she makes my favorite meal. In the afternoon when she gets a break, she rushes home and gives me oral sex, the best an old man could ever want. And then at suppertime, and all night long, we make love some more."

He breaks down crying again, no longer able to speak.

The young man puts his arm around him. "You're right, I don't understand. It sounds like you have a perfect relationship. Why are you crying?"

Through his tears, the old man answers, "I forget where I live."

 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
On their wedding night, the young bride approached her new husband and asked for $20.00 for their first lovemaking encounter. In his highly aroused state, her husband readily agreed.

This scenario was repeated each time they made love, for more than 30 years, with him thinking that it was a cute way for her to afford new clothes and other incidentals that she needed.

Arriving home around noon one day, she was surprised to find her husband in a very drunken state. During the next few minutes, he explained that his employer was going through a process of corporate downsizing, and he had
been let go. It was unlikely that, at the age of 59, he'd be able to find
another position that paid anywhere near what he'd been earning, and
therefore, they were financially ruined.

Calmly, his wife handed him a bank book which showed more than thirty
years of steady deposits and interest totaling nearly$1 million. Then she
showed him certificates of deposits issued by the bank which were worth over $2 million, and informed him that they were one of the largest depositors in the bank.

She explained that for the more than three decades she had "charged" him for sex, these holdings had multiplied and these were the results of her savings and investments.

Faced with evidence of cash and investments worth over $3 million, her husband was so astounded he could barely speak, but finally he found his voice and blurted out, "If I'd had any idea what you were doing, I would have given you all my business!"

That's when she shot him.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What did the blonde call her pet zebra?

Spot.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What's green and slimy and hangs around in trees??

Giraffe snot!!!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A chicken and an egg are lying in bed. The chicken is smoking a cigarette, a satisfied smile on its face. The egg is frowning and looking a bit pissed off.

The egg mutters to no one in particular, "Well, I guess we answered THAT question."
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Ahem!
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 

 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Oh, IB. Are you trying to kill the record?

So back on random topics, um....

Dwa?

Fwebulp!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Qwerty.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:

Oh, IB. Are you trying to kill the record?

Nope. Just catch up with Robert.

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited May 08, 2009).]
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oh, IB. Are you trying to kill the record?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nope. Just catch up with Robert.


We may need to petition KDW to rename this thread Robert Nowell's/Inarticulate Babbler's Random Musings


 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Back to the randomness


I haul cars for a living. I am heading to Toronto this weakend for a show at the convention center. My safety director and dispatcher got in a small arguement with me in the middle.

Ontario instituted a law that all trucks must be governed to go no faster than 65 miles an hour. For those that do not no, that means your engine is set so it cannot go any faster. Now most trucks are governed but are done so at a higher speed (mine is set at 72). According to law, my truck shouldn't even be allowed into the country. My dispatcher claims the Canadian authorities are not enforcing that law UNLESS you get caught going over 65. My safety director thinks otherwise.

These cars MUST be there on time. It is my responsibilty that it is done. Now I know what some of you are saying Why not refuse to take it?
Because work is getting slim. I get paid per load. If I refuse this than they may not consider me for the next. You know, scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

Anyway. Don't know what to do about it. Thanks for letting me to vent.
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCvg_y-jgpI

Ok, this is Jackanory. I grew up watching this show after school everyday and listened to a new story.

Tracy
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Had an MRI today.

And found out that I'm definitely not claustrophobic.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Wow. They tested you for clautrophobia by putting you in an MRI? Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier just to zip you all the way up in a sleeping bag or lock you in a broom closet?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Wow! They can find that out in a magnetic resonating image? Wonder if they can see if I'm really Enissophobic, Cyberphobic, and Graphophobic?
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Random musing: Why is dirt brown?
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Congrats KDW, that was extremely random. People don't have MRI's for no reason but they are good for clearing up mysteries sometimes. I hope it revealed good news for you.

Tracy
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
LOL!

No, I had the MRI to see if there is something in my brain causing the hearing loss in my left ear that has been happening over the last several years.

I had heard from several people that they had to have valium and other such medication in order to help them deal with their claustrophobia while in the MRI equipment.

I found that I had no problem with it, so I must not be claustrophobic.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Random musing: Why is dirt brown?

Because it's really worm poop.

 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:
Random musing: Why is dirt brown?

quote:
Because it's really worm poop.

Then why is melange orange?

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited May 08, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, he might get a chance to catch up, 'cause this is my last post before leaving for vacation.

Probably I'll be back---I'm only going, weekend to weekend, and should be back a week from Monday, or maybe Sunday night.

So keep it interesting until then...
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Have fun, Robert.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Quick, now that he's gone, time to PARTY!!!!!

Although... I'm having a complete mind blank as to what kind of crazy, trash-the-thread party we could have. Suggestions?
 


Posted by annepin (Member # 5952) on :
 
But melange isn't necessarily orange.

Snapper, to make it there on time would you have to go over 65?

 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Oh, please, no trashing the thread, okay?
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Alright, alright, party off.

Not sure it's possible to trash a random musing thread, anyway. Unless "trash" means something specific in high-tech internet-savvy lingo??
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
It's orange. A pre-spice mass is green. Interesting how they're opposites, huh? And they turn the users' eyes blue-in-blue. Hmmm, how very colorful.
 
Posted by annepin (Member # 5952) on :
 
Huh? A "melange" is just a mixture.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I didn't say "a melange", I said melange, and in reference to worms. I was thinking Sand Worms and their melange(that's the magic system in Dune).
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Notice how quiet it gets when Robert leaves?

 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Think the government isn't doing enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzoXQKumgCw&feature=channel

There you go, you're worst fears confirmed.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Answering Service At The Mental Institute

"Hello, and welcome to the mental health hotline.

If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.

If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you.

If you have multiple personalities, press 3,4,5, and 6.

If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want. Stay on the line so we can trace your call.

If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will transferred to the mother ship.

If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice will tell you which number to press.

If you are manic depressive, it doesn't matter which number you press, no one will answer.

If you have a nervous disorder, please fidget with the hash key until someone comes on the line.

If you are dyslexic, press 6969696969.

If you have amnesia, press 8 and state your name, address, phone number, date of birth, social security number, and your mother's maiden name.

If you have post-traumatic-stress disorder, slowly and carefully press 000.

If you have bipolar disorder, please leave a message after the beep, or before the beep, or after the beep. Please wait for the beep.

If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short term memory loss, press 9. If you have short term memory loss, press 9. If you have short term memory loss, press 9.

If you have low self esteem, please hang up. All our operators are too busy to talk to you."
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
That was great IB! I might borrow that from you if you don't mind.

Here's a true story:
Once when I was selling cars, a buddy of mine had a very interesting experience with a sales call. The man on the phone was desperate to purchase a car. Typically these calls, referred to in the business as "lay-downs" (you can infer the double-meaning), are a little challenging on the saleperson's part to get approved. My buddy asked him for some information in order to submit a credit application. The man gave all the information required - name, address, income (his was from disability), etc. My buddy thanked the guy and told him it might take a couple of days, but not to submit any more credit apps (multiple inquiries tend to lessen one's chances of getting approved).

With a little work, the finance office got the guy approved. However, when my buddy went to call him back to let him know the good news, someone else answered the phone with these words - "Psych Ward"...

[This message has been edited by philocinemas (edited May 11, 2009).]
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
So my family and I moved in October, and changed our phone line.

Ever since then we have recieved about 3-5 phone calls a day for an Ortin Christensen all from robots. Several robots had fake accents. (My favorite is the southern.)

The message goes on for about five minutes, saying if you are Ortin Christensen please press one now, if you are not Ortin Christensen, and you need a moment to retrieve him, please press two now, if... blah blah blah.... five minutes later...If there is no one by that name at this number, please press seven now and an operator will be right with you. This is very important information, please stay on the line.

So I press seven, and the phone rings and rings and rings, never going to a machine, or somewhere I can talk with a real person, and tell them, Ortin Christensen does not in fact live at this address, and is not availible at this number. Please stop calling, EXPECIALLY AFTER TEN P.M.!!

I tell you though, if I ever meet this Ortin fellow, I'm gonna punch him in the head.

(*No offense meant to any Ortin Christensens, living or deceased)
~Sheena
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I have the same thing happen with some Pamela woman. My favorite recorded message though, is the one that says my warranty is about to expire and this is my last notification to get it continued. I've got that call ever since I moved from Tucson which has been over a year ago and I have lost count of how many times they've called.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Years ago, my sister was getting stalked by one of her ex-boyfriends--I forget which one, how scary is that? Anyway, we had to get our number changed. Years later, my mom heard that the people that had gotten our new number were pretty annoyed about it. We called one day and listened to their answering machine, and it said, "You have reached the Jones family. If you are calling for one of us, please leave a message. This is NOT the Smith family, and we don't know how to get in touch with them. Leave a message for Joe, Sally or Kathy JONES at the sound of the beep." (Obviously, I changed the names).


 


Posted by annepin (Member # 5952) on :
 
I used to get a calls from this one guy who thought I was his "girl." I tried to convince him I had no idea who he was, and I had a boyfriend, and no, I didn't want to talk to him. He got upset, kept saying "Don't you remember me?" until finally I put my bf (now husband) on the phone to ask him to stop calling. It was very odd.

Other odd phone calls: I used to get calls from this older woman who didn't speak English. I'm not sure what language she spoke. Maybe some Indian language. At any rate, she'd leave these extended messages on my answering machine, sounding quite upset. I once picked up the phone when she called and she yelled at me for almost a minute before I could get a word in edgewise. Still not sure if she ever understood me, but at least she stopped calling.
 


Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
I actually just got a weird call here at work. A man immediately (and very rapidly) started speaking spanish, and when it became obvious to him that I didn't understand a single word he was saying, he proceeded in broken English...

"Can I speak to ___?"
"I'm sorry, there's no one in this office by that name. Are you sure you have the right number?"
"Office?"
"Yes, sir. This is a business number."
"Are you in Guatemala?"
"No, sir, this is Louisville, Kentucky."
"Oh." Embarassed chuckle. "I'm sorry." Hangs up.

I have no idea how you confuse calling Guatemala with Kentucky, but it was the most entertaining thirty seconds of my day so far.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
When my daughter was little-r, we used to hand the phone to her when bill collectors caled. She'd chat until they hung up.

The ultimate was when my wife was helping her dad butcher deer during hunting season. A Bill collector called, and she said, "I can't talk right now, I've got some bloody corpses on the floor!"

Is there any question why I love her? LOL.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Satate, the warranty call can be stopped. The next time they call, listen to the entire message. At the end, they should give you a number to enter to prevent future calls.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
IB - lol. That reminds me of a time one of those door-to-door salesmen people came and rang the front doorbell. They asked me where my parents were. I informed them my parents were digging a grave in the back yard. However, I neglected to mention it was for the family cat.

 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Way back when I was in college I struck up a friendship with a salesman on the phone. He was trying to sell me MCI, but he wasn't trying very hard. He ended up calling me every day while at work, and he was going to send me a plane ticket to come visit him. It all ended suddenly when he called for me one day and I was busy so I told him I wasn't home. Duh. Like he didn't recognize my voice. I've always felt guilty about being such a jerk, but relieved because I really didn't feel comfortable with the whole plane trip idea.

The strangest twist on this story is that I adored the phone when I was in college--racking up enormous phone bills--but now I can't think of anything I hate more. I've got an actual phobia of it, I think.

[This message has been edited by Unwritten (edited May 12, 2009).]
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Since we are on the subject of phone calls, I called a friend of mine years ago. This is how the call went.

"Hello."

*voice is of an unfamiliar middle-aged man. I assume it is my friends Dad*

"Hi. Is Eric there? Could you tell him Frank called and I was won..."

"Hello?"

*I raise my voice a bit*

"Uh, yeah. I was saying this is Eric's friend Frank. We were supposed to get together to..."

"HELL-LO-OH!"

*I am now shouting*

"I'm Sorry. Is Eric there? I think the line must be bad. Could you tell him Frank..."

"Listen. I can barely hear you. Why don't you leave a message at the beep."

BEEP
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I have lived in Virginia most of my life, except for about 8 years in which I lived in Tennessee. I am not completely ignorent of "country life" even though I am not very "country".

About twelve years ago, I was living in a stereotypical, southern, working-class neighborhood within the city. As I was getting in my car one morning, I looked directly across the street to see the bloody (skinless) carcass of some large beast hanging by a rope from a tree in front of my neighbor's house.

I got out and went to my backyard to make sure my dog was OK. He was. I went up to the street and stood there and debated what I should do. The movies Predator,The Serpent and the Rainbow, and The Godfather flashed across my mind. I ruled out 7 foot aliens, so I figured either someone was practicing voodoo against my neighbor or they were sending him "an offer he couldn't refuse".

I decided my best choice was not to get involved. That evening, when I returned home, I happened to see another neighbor, so I asked him about what I had seen. He got a good laugh!

Apparently, when hunters (which I obviously am not) return with their prey, they must drain the blood from the animal. They do this by somehow hanging the creature above the ground and letting the blood drip from it.

I don't know what surprised me more - that someone would actually choose to do this in the front yard of a crowded neighborhood in the city, or that this had more to do with the movie about the 7 foot alien than it did with my other two choices.

(edited to add "skinless")

[This message has been edited by philocinemas (edited May 13, 2009).]
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Okay, reading this thread has taken waaay too much time!

I usually only drink milk, orange juice, or water. My husband makes the same lunch for me every day: P&J sandwich, milk, OJ, carrots, walnuts, spinach.

I used to give Origami animals instead of birthday cards.

My five year old son has moved on from chess and Monolopy, and is now mastering the game of Life. The last time I asked him what he wants to do when he grows up, he asked how he can make the most money. Sigh. So much for train diver and astronaut.

Currently I'm reading Honor's Reward, about how God commands us to honor (respect and value) all people in both attitude and action. Quite thought-provoking. If everyone was on-board, we'd have a perfect world...

My co-worker has no Send button on his email.

[This message has been edited by MrsBrown (edited May 13, 2009).]
 


Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
Lucky! I often wish my coworkers didn't have "send" buttons on their email.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Has anyone else ever gone to Wikipedia to double-check what you thought was a commonly known fact, only to find that the entry you're looking at has major errors? Ridiculously major? And not the prank kind (though I've seen those, too).

 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Welcome to the RM thread Mrs B!

Did you read the entire thread? Even the stuff about cartoons and IB's jokes and Roberts evryday activities?
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
I confess to skimming some of the longer posts, especially about cartoons. Not my thing. But the humor is great! I found only one objectionable joke (ahem!). 'Nough said.

He got his Send button back.

[This message has been edited by MrsBrown (edited May 14, 2009).]
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Only one objectionable joke? I think you need to go back and reread a few of those jokes.

If I didn't know better I would think that you must work with IB, and you took away his send button because of his jokes, but then you decided they weren't TOO bad, so you gave it back. Interesting.

Whenever I get on Wikepedia, I am told only gospel fact. Never seen a mistake in my life--at least that I'm aware of.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Obectionable? Me?

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited May 15, 2009).]
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I doubt my embarassing story competes with any of those but it did happen to me.

Several years ago when my daughter was still a quick moving four-year old, I would head to the local blockbuster to pick up a couple of movies for the evening. Well the little one thought it would be a fun time to start running through the aisles and hiding from me. I would snatch her arm, she would promise to be good, and then run off giggling away for another round of irritate daddy. I caught her for the last time and pulled her into line with me for the register. That is when she went limp in my grip and started to shout 'Help! Help! You're a stranger. A stranger.'

Now I know more than a few people saw how hard of a time she was giving me in the store but not everyone did. Part of me wished that someone would have errored on the side of caution and called the police. It would have served her right. Unfortunetly for me, I was left in a difficult position. I so wanted to come unglued but she had me effectively in check. I fumed all the way home and told my wife what our angel did. Man did she have a laugh.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited May 14, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Lol. That must've sucked.

The embarassing memory I had was:

I was doing a guest spot in Tilton, New Hampshire, and this guy wanted to fill a thin strip on his shin, but didn't know what with. I--being a smart ass--suggested a flame shooting up his leg into an explosion cloud and a blue eye on either side. He looked at me dumbfounded, so I went further, "You know the joke about what color Christa McAuliffe's eyes are: Blue, one blew this way and one blew that way." Everybody in the tattoo shop went dead-silent.

That's when my wife leaned over and--in a whisper--asked me, "You did see the statue of her when we came into town...right?"

*I'd totally missed it.*
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Yes, Rich/InarticulateBabbler, objecionable you.

Do you want to edit the top four embarrasing moments post, or shall I?

This is supposed to be a family forum.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
There you go.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thank you.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
I'm glad I caught the pre-excised 4 most embarrassing moments.

They were so sweet, but a little risque for the kids.

[This message has been edited by Owasm (edited May 15, 2009).]
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Holy cow - Norway!!! Anyone else watch Eurovision?
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Wasn't that totally amazing Kitti? Good looking men, dancing and the violin...It doesn't get much better than that.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I made it back in one piece. I haven't much time right this minute, just enough time to check in, but, maybe tomorrow, I'll sit down and read every damn thing you said about me while I was gone.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Too late. IB edited out all the nasty, slanderous stuff he said about and your mother already.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited May 17, 2009).]
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
This was sent to me at work earlier today by the group HR people; among other information to do with a HR exercise, they came up with these 'tips'.

To get you started, here is Jane’s tip:
“If you are able, donate blood to the Blood Bank. Blood donations help save lives.”

And here is Brenda’s advice:
“Where possible, walk instead of driving. The benefits are two-fold as you reduce your carbon footprint and get fit at the same time.”

So, since Jane's tip didn't really specify *human* blood, and Brenda's tip didn't really take into account that if you live 45km from work it's going to take you 11 hours to walk to work, a colleague decided to pitch his own 'tips'. Here's what he sent around...

1. If you are choking on an ice cube, don't panic! Simply pour a cup of boiling water down your throat and presto, the blockage will be almost instantly removed.

2. Clumsy? Avoid cutting yourself while slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them while you chop away.

3. Avoid arguments with the Mrs. about lifting the toilet seat by simply using the sink.

4. For high blood pressure sufferers: simply cut yourself and bleed for a few minutes, thus reducing the pressure in your veins. Remember to use a timer.

5. A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

6. If you have a bad cough, take a large dose of laxatives. Then you will be afraid to cough.

7. Have a bad toothache? Smash your thumb with a hammer and you will forget about the toothache.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I gave blood once. The guys at the blood bank were so much after me after that---calls at dinnertime, letters---that I started thinking they were a bunch of vampires.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
It all depends on the type of blood you have. I'm O neg blood type, which is pretty rare. I knew I wanted to marry my husband when I found out that he was O neg, (who'd a thunk?) and I realized that all our children would be O neg too. Then they could donate blood and I wouldn't have to.

It's not that I am a chicken, I just have really small viens that tend to roll, or just expire when poaked. The viens in my husbands arms are huge, he can fill a bag in seven minutes.

Weirdo. But yeah, once you are on their list they call you all the time to force you to save a life.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I'm O+ and that's pretty valuable too, though not to you negative people ... pessimists ... (j/k)

I'd donate more often if they didn't have to prick your finger. By all means stab a needle into my arm, I don't care about that. (Really I don't.) But pricking my finger sucks.
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Can we move on? Seen any bears at the zoo lately?
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I saw a bear donating blood once...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Was he type O?

I don't actually know what type my blood is...I have an assumption that since my parents were both type O, I am, too...but that's not an absolute certainty, from what I've read...

Negative or positive? [shrugs] I dunno...
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I believe O is the most common blood type. (Though the bulk of it is positive.)

And no the bear wasn't type O. He was AB negative and they sent him away because his blood was useless.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
The other day
I saw a bear
Out in the woods
A way out there...

Sorry, but since this thread was the one who got the song stuck in my head, I decided to share. If you don't know it, it's to the tune of "Sipping Cider." Now you can have it stuck in your head too!

Know any other good (obnoxious) songs that get stuck in people's heads?
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Claps her hands over her ears and runs from the room. Trips at the top of a flight of stairs, and on the way to the hospital wishes she had been nicer to those blood donors.

No, I refuse to contribute to the spread of annoying ditties.
I've had more than enough of Little Rabbit Foo-Foo, I don't wanna see you...
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
The Germans have a great word for those kinds of songs: Ohrwurm (if I remember the correct spelling). It means earworm--thoughts of STAR TREK and THE WRATH OF KHAN.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
<- brings Mrs Brown very nice flowers in the hospital. And maybe a few oversized balloons.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A book I read over my vacation mentioned, in passing, how the late 1950s New York Yankees players liked Mantle, as opposed to seeing Yogi Berra naked in the locker room, scratching himself and picking over the food on the trainer's table.

It was only a few lines in the book, but, man! the image is just one that stays with you.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
The earlier mention of blood reminds me of when I first learned I was a mutant.

No joke - my mom has AB- and my dad has O+. And I actually look very much like my dad - very similar height (or lack thereof), build, and facial features (a baby switch is near impossible).

My college biology professor told me that I must either have a hidden A or B or I could have a mutant gene. I had a blood transfusion back in 2003, so I'm guessing I must be a mutant.

Unfortunately, the mutant blood type didn't come with any cool powers.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
So what is your blood type, technically?
 
Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
600! Wow! It keeps going, and going, and going...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I suppose I could call the blood bank and ask them what type blood I have, if they still have me on file. But I don't want them starting up with their demands, again...
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Oh, I forgot to include my blood type - O neg.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
You and me are the same!*


(*I know, I know. Bad grammar, but it sounds funnier that way.)

Speaking of bad grammar, There is a national commercial about mouthwash, that has a glaring grammar error. How dumb do they think we are?
~Sheena
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Too bad it isn't a commercial for an Oxford Dictionary.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I remember a "Barney Miller" episode where they brought in someone who tore up a subway ad because he couldn't stand the bad grammer and spelling. "Our pickles are the tongue-teasingest, the lip-smackingest, the crun-crun-crunchiest." (Or something like that.)

"Save up to fifty percent---and more!"

"Someday all our people will have above average incomes."
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Quiet overnight, huh?
 
Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
I find it hard to believe we have exhausted the randomness reserves of this group...

That said, I woke up at 3am this morning with an agonizing neck ache that actually turned out to be quite productive... I couldn't sleep, so I wrote for a while as I waited for pain meds to kick in. After reading what I wrote, I have decided that writing after taking pain medication is perhaps not the wisest method. Now that stuff was random.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I lost my internet this morning, so sadly all my randomness was trapped inside me.

On the bright side, not being able to internet surf meant I got to work half an hour early and had time for a second cup of tea beforehand
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I can do without the Internet. I can quit any time. Come to think of it, I just did---I didn't go online from the morning of Saturday May Ninth to the evening of Sunday May Seventeenth. Of course I was away from my computer at the time...
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Earlier today, I was at a business meeting. While zoning out, I realized that without the internet I would spend more time watching TV.

Now if there was no internet, no TV and no video gaming, what kind of world would there be????

[This message has been edited by Owasm (edited May 20, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Of course, since I'm still on vacation right now, and home where my computer is, I could just stay here and post as the spirit moves me.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I hate mosquitoes.

I am horrible at remembering what I need to buy at the store, and I can never find my shopping list when I get there.
 


Posted by Tani (Member # 8608) on :
 
We used to have a bat living in our attic that ate the mosquitos. One day he invited twenty of his friends to move in, so bye-bye bats.

Now the mosquitos are back.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I hate blackflies. You can't even blink in peace with them around.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
You know bat guano is sometimes quite explosive.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
And yet, some people make bowls and dishes from it...
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Oh, I didn't need to know that...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Bat guano...from bowels to bowls, I guess.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Everytime uClick Comics diddles with their format, they screw me over. This morning, their changes prevented me from printing out my comics e-mail. Their "modifications" made the comics lap over the margins...some disappeared below the page...and all of them lost their right sides.

Kinda defeats what I'm paying for, huh?
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
quote:
I hate blackflies. You can't even blink in peace with them around.

That was just so true that it had to be printed twice. My house is surrounded, and I can't even go outside without being dive bombed. a million times.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Does anyone know if Chuck will be back next year?
Does anyone else care?
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I read in the papers sometime recently that it had been renewed.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Yay! It's the only thing on TV that I like these days. I'm both picky and obsessive. I like that about myself.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
quote:
I hate blackflies. You can't even blink in peace with them around.

Racist! No one ever complains about whiteflies!


And before people start throwing spears (or pikes) at me this is a joke.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
We don't throw pikes around here. We only throw books that have people throwing pikes in them.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Piker!
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Statistics on the first 600 posts

Number of members that posted in RM: 39

Who posted the most: Robert Nowall 103 times

Who's next: Inarticulate Babbler 59 (thats over 25% combined)

Next closest: Snapper 40

Number of members that posted only once: 7

Number of members that posted at least ten times: 19

Number of members that posted at least twenty times: 11

Number of members that posted at least thirty times: 7

Number of times KDW posted: 18

Last one to join the thread: BenM at post 585

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited May 21, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Well, I'll defer to you, snapper. You'll probably eclipse me soon, anyway.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Is there some magic way you're seeing the post numbers or are you counting.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
What are blackflies? I hate whiteflies. They fly in my mouth and it's impossible to shoo them away. (there now it's equal, we hate both black and white flies)
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Forget flies - how abput gnats? Tiny little buggers drive me crazy, esp. when you get a swarm of them around your head!
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Blackflies are an especially icky breed of bugs here in the northeast U.S. Imagine gnats that bite harder and are hungrier than mosquitos, and you have a blackfly. They are here to ruin the spring.

Are whiteflies a real thing or were you kidding?
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Is there some magic way you're seeing the post numbers or are you counting.

Nope. Just counted. It took me a few days to do the first 500. I just counted the next 100 for this one.

This is my way of procrastinating. I always thought I would be a great satistical analysit. I have no idea on how to get such a job or if it pays well, however.

quote:
Well, I'll defer to you, snapper. You'll probably eclipse me soon, anyway.

Unlikely. I had a good stretch of time off because of the economy but back to work now. I'm probably not even in third anymore. Unwritten was a couple behind me at 600 and may have passed me by now.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited May 22, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I post a lot because (1) this thread is funny, and (2) I have no life other than (a) work, (b) reading, and (c) [occasionally] writing.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Forgot television on that last post.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
WOW!
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I had
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
no idea
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I was so close
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
to third place.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
lol
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've heard press reports these last two days involving terrorists in Newburgh, New York plotting to fire missiles at planes leaving Stewart Field nearby. I always get a little nostalgic when I hear that airport mentioned in the news. My grandfather built it.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Lol, Robert: It's awesome when you can get teary-eyed with nostalgia when discussing a terrorist target.


 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Instead of terrorists, maybe they're tourists with really big cameras, hoping for another Air Force 1 photo-op.


Speaking of AF1 - my home town airport in Roanoke, Virginia is a training site for AF1 pilots. They are trained to fly below RADAR. If everyone thought the fly-overs in NYC were eerie, they should watch one of these things fly below radar and make 90 degree turns!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
'Salways a problem when they're doing something over thataway, and you have to make educated guesses about what.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
What is this? A holiday weekend and suddenly everyone has a purpose and no one has time for anymore randomness?

I got to get to work. Got 12 days today and tomorrow. Yuck.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm still on vacation. I've still got plenty of time.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I'm going out of state to see Testament, in about 45 minutes. I'm psyched for the show!
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I've seen plenty of people nutmegged while playing soccer, but that's pretty run of the mill. So I've upped the ante a bit. As of today, I can quite honestly say that I have seen a man nutmegged by a hawk. Twice.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My mother got blitzed one night by a large bird---too dark to see just what---but it was anything from a larger owl up to pteradon. We figure it was protecting its nestlings.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hey, I got the top o' the new page!
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I hit a bird with my car antenna once. It was a automatic retractable antenna, and it was bent in half from the impact. I was able to straighten it out a little, and it continued to half-way work for about another year. I don't believe the bird lived that long, but I couldn't find it afterwards - only feathers and some blood.
 
Posted by Tani (Member # 8608) on :
 
Okay.. Yuck. Poor dead bird.

I almost ran over a snake today. I swerved to avoid it. Why? It looked like a copperhead...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I pass a very large, very dead bird in the road once in a while, if the speed limit wasn't 55 I'd probably stop to figure out what kind of bird it was and what killed it.

Speaking of very large birds the other day there was giant, deadly, violent, ostrich cousin running loose in my city. The news decided to tell me this after the entertainment news! "There's a dangerous creature running loose in a certain county, we'll tell you which one and what people can do to survive an attack from such an animal which regularly kills people in Africa after a commercial for Zoloft and a story about a certain actor cussing out a member of his crew a year ago, everyone knows about this but we thought we'd remind you since the movie is opening this weekend, and we want to see if us talking about it can lower ticket sales, because we are power hungry journalists who want to rule the world Mwahahahahahahah. Sorry guys I kinda let that get away from me, but you went to commercial, right . . . RIGHT!?"

[This message has been edited by Pyre Dynasty (edited May 24, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There's a dead osprey (I think) on the bridge I take to and from work (when I'm working). Been there over a month now. So long as we're comparing roadkill...
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Gah, roadkill. There was this squirrel that was left on the side of the road for over a month one summer. I started crossing over to the other side so I wouldn't have to walk past it, it was so awful.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
My colorful brother in law likes to tell about the time he and his buddy were driving while slightly intoxicated. They hit a deer and decided to put it in the back of the truck, which had a cab on it. They continued driving down the road, and eventually, the deer woke up--it was stunned, not dead. I'm totally annoyed that he drove drunk, but that story always puts a smile on my face. Such a picture...
 
Posted by Devnal (Member # 6724) on :
 
didn't that happen in "Tommy Boy"?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Be careful what roadkill you pick up. If it's an endangered species, you might be stuck with a heavy fine and a stiff legal bill...
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
especially if you've been drinking.


 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I had to look up "Tommy Boy" on wikepedia. It didn't mention any deer scenes. I don't think my brother in law was pulling my leg. But it was before I knew him, so maybe he sold the story to SNL and that's how he made his fortune, such as it is.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Try looking up Tommy Boy deer scene on youtube, chances are it's there. Of course I prefer the BEES! scene. Of course these things happen.
 
Posted by AmieeRock (Member # 8393) on :
 
One of my coworkers was working Christmas one year, and on his way home, Christmas morning, he got hit by an owl. It shattered his windsheild, so he had to drive like 45 miles home on the freeway with his head out the window. Home happens to be Cheyenne Wyoming, so you can guess how cold that was. Then one day, on the way home, at about two AM, driving through rural Colorado, I had to break suddenly for a peacock in the middle of the road.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I like guacamole.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
One of the coolest things that I ever saw happened on I-70 in Illinois about ten+ years ago.
Near a lake next to the highway I witnessed a hawk rising across road with a 8 to 10 inch fish in its claws. It flew in the path of a car in front of me going about 65. The hawk did a midair barke and looked to be done. The driver saw nothing but bird as the hawk opened its wings in front of the windshield. The driver jerk the wheel but had nowhere to go becasue he never saw the hawk coming.
The air from the car helped push the hawk out of the way but it lost its fish. As I drove by I saw the bass trashing in the left lane and a freaked out hawk flying over the lake.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
so on the road-kill intelligence quiz, should we score the hawk at about a B+ ?

(gets some points for 1) living and 2) style but docked for 1) nearly getting hit in the first place and 2) losing his fish...)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A neighbor of my parents once put up one of those wooden owls, probably to distract the seagulls and other birds my mother likes to feed.

It didn't scare any birds away, but it did attract an owl, the biggest owl I've ever seen outside of a zoo. It sat on the neighbor's roof for about three days, hooting constantanly, then went away...disappointed.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Kitti, you were post number 666. Are there any world domination desires we should know about?

On a related (but random) note - has anyone ever purchased something and either the total cost or change comes up as 666 in some form?

I find those moments to be very awkward...not that this happens to me a lot.
 


Posted by Tani (Member # 8608) on :
 
Yes, I hate it when that happens. I have a weird phobia about "unpleasant" numbers. I'll avoid 13, 666, etc., when filling up my gas tank, booking flights, etc.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Anyone know what happened to RFWII? He posted something about needing a lawyer then disappeared.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Mighty coincidental, isn't it?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Here it is my last day of vacation...I spent last night, when I was looking forward to uninterrupted sleep, in an endless retracing of steps between the bed and the bathroom. Went to bed at seven PM...didn't get to any solid sleep until at least four AM. Man I'm sick.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Lol. No, not planning any world domination... but of course, if I WERE planning to take over the world, then I'd probably say the same thing, now wouldn't I?

666 always makes me think of 1666 and what all those poor Londoners must have thought as their entire city burnt down around them...
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
You know your english history Kitti. Must be that 66 number that has a significance in British history.

1066 Battle of Hastings.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
You may be onto something there. My parents came to visit me a few months ago, and after a week spent wandering around London, etc. they informed me that I'd really missed my calling: I apparently should be a tour guide.

 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I once paid 777 for a few things, that made me happy.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
A three entre meal at Panda Express used to be $6.66
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I think everyone who eats at Panda Express gets the orange chicken. Now I'm no expert, I don't work there or anything, but I always get orange chicken, my kids always gets orange chicken, and everytime I've been there the people in front of me and behind me in line always get orange chicken too.

So from that poll, the information is reliable. Everyone always gets orange chicken.

My husband is the exception to that rule, but he always eats some of mine, so that still counts.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'd tell the Chinese restaurant "broccoli and rice" joke here, but we're not supposed to post that sort of material...
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

This thread is starting to remind me of a subject I dealt with a while back. Don't mind me...I'm in the mood to share today.

---------

A Rush fanatic friend of mine recently posted a photo of a store receipt from a recent purchase she made. Didn't seem that big of a deal, except that her total came to $21.12.

(NOTE: this blog was originally written on a music board, so they knew that 2112 was one of Rush's most renowned albums)

I find it intriguing how often we find friendly and familiar numbers seemingly wherever we look. Back when I first decided to take the number 46 for football, softball, and street hockey, it crossed my sight on a regular basis. I originally started this essay to share my thoughts on how our subconscious strives to bring the friendly and the familiar into our daily life, but I got derailed by the unfortunate reverse side to this concept.

There are those who feel it is their duty in life to point out how your way of living or your belief system does not equate to theirs, and therefore must be exposed as evil. Yep, I'm talking about those whose subconscious allows them to see and hear things that they fear and hate, thus taking the concept of: "If you want to see something strongly enough, you'll see it" to an extreme is really shouldn't be taken. Same goes for hearing what you want to hear; if you ever find yourself in a debate, and your opponent bases his or her justifications on something you didn't say, chances are you really didn't say it, but he/she certainly heard it.

I've got plenty of examples to draw from. One of my personal favorites comes from my cashiering days. My home store (located a mile from the U of Maryland campus) would occasionally send me to a particular D.C. store on Sundays to help out. I got paid double-time for Sunday work, so I didn't mind in the least. This particular store just happened to be a block away from a Baptist church. Having grown up in a Baptist church-going house, I'm all too familiar with how charged up the congregation gets after Sunday church service, so it was not unusual for me to be preached to by these customers during my shift.

One of my favorite customer exchanges of all time came from one such gentleman:

Steve: "How are you doing today, sir?"

Customer: "Fantastic! And, you?"

Steve: "Doing good."

Customer: "How can you say that you're having a great life when you have not accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal savior?"

To this day, you can still see the scar on the bottom of my chin where my jaw dropped to the floor. How far beyond left field did that comment come from?

Oh, yeah...now I remember...our subconscious allows us to hear what we want to hear. Whether it was actually said or not. This guy was living proof of that concept.

Some people really need to stop doing that.

My mind dove head-first into flashback mode, and it took some doing to get my concentration back to the intended topic.

My friend's receipt experience.

Seeing the friendly and the familiar.

People seeing things they fear.

The unfriendly and the way too familiar.

Uh-oh.

Let's try this again.

My friend's receipt experience.

Hey, wait...I have my own receipt story!

And it happened at the same store as my "great life" story.

What a surprise.

One guy, having come to the store straight from church, went through my line. I rang up his order, took his money, then announced that his change was---and, folks, I could not have made this up on the fly in a million years---$6.66.

He recoiled his hand and retreated out of the store in record time.

I've got a better idea. Some people shouldn't be allowed to have a subconscious.

---------

 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Sorry sheena, I'm not a fan of orange chicken. I always get the stuff that you wrap in thin pancakes, a "real" Chinese dish. Forget what its called. But I bet Panda Express doesn't sell it

There's an eclectic Chinese buffet we like; it has pizza, sushi, American, & Chinese. I've seen squid, baby octopii, giant crayfish, whole fish staring up at me, you name it, they've tried it. But not me. I stick to the American in that place.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Good call.

I always look at the clock at 12:34 p.m. It's in my scheduale now, everyday after lunch I look up at the clock and say, what time is it?, and presto every day it is 12:34. (and no the clock is working) I also notice 9:11, though not as much as 12:34.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
When you said "Rush fan" I thought you were talking about Rush Limbaugh. I'd forgotten all about the band...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm not overly fond of 9:11, AM or PM. I also have a lingering distate for 1:28 and 11:22. But then I'm probably older than you...
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I'd assume so, since you heard the band Rush and thought of an old white guy. How old are you Robert?

~Sheena
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thank you, Robert.

I wonder if there is anyone here old enough to have a problem with 12:07.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Sheena, I think I make up for Mrs Brown because whenever I go there I always order the three entre plate with all three entres being orange chicken.

quote:
When you said "Rush fan" I thought you were talking about Rush Limbaugh. I'd forgotten all about the band...

And if you're really lucky, soon you'll have forgotten all about the man too.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I always liked 11:11 on 11/11 (and I'll admit, partly that's because it's just such a cool number).

It's funny how we can get wrapped up in anniversaries of significant events from our pasts. 4/16, 4/20, 7/7 (betraying my relative youth here) also come to mind, though the event doesn't always have to be universally important. I once read a trial record where this guy swore something happened on a certain date - he knew for sure, because it was the day after his favorite horse died!
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:
I wonder if there is anyone here old enough to have a problem with 12:07.

Yeah. You needn't have lived through it, to remember it, and have a problem with it. Even Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto had a problem with it.

I have a lingering distaste for 8:04--one of my best friends was blown away two weeks (to the day) before my birthday; almost another week and he would have made another year older.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
My life has been filled with the number 113. I love the fact that Pixar is hung up on the number too. I do not suffer from triskaidekaphobia. I always smile at 1:13. My sister yells "it's my birthday" when she notices it's 11:26. If she's late she yells "Darn I missed my birthday" if she's early she says "It's almost my birthday." Needles to say I avoid her during the 11 o'clock hour.

(as to 9:11 and 12:07, why can't bad things ever happen on the 31st so we can be free to enjoy our digital clocks!)


 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Imagine if 9:11 were your birthday. How do you suppose it would feel when that day rolls around and instead of celebration you find the whole world is in mourning?

I've never experienced it. But I've often wondered about it.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Of course in Japan it was 12/8, they being on the other side of the dateline.

I have other reasons for not being fond of 12/8...

*****

They tell me "A113" was the number of the classroom in Cal Arts where a lot of these animation guys first met up.

*****

Forty-eight.
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Does anyone else out there hate the light color coming from flourescent light bulbs?

I recently bought a "warm" flourescent. It still turned my yellow walls green.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Imagine trying to do your makeup in a room lit by one of those suckers!
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
I live in a flourescent world. My work building has no windows, with huge flourescent panels overhead. (I did get an incandescant light to shine down on my desk.)

At home we have almost all flourescent bulbs; my hubby wanted to go green. At least our house has lots of windows.

How do you decorate your workspace? I have little 3D cardboard dinosaurs, and a towel that says "May the Lord keep you in His hand and never close His fist too tight on you." Family photos and art/writing by my little boy. A Jesus fish, and a painting of fishes (where a window should be). And a hilarious one-pager about project miscommunication and mismanagement. The papers are piling higher every day... Back to work.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I love people "going green". The more who do, the less I feel guilty about enjoying the few non-green pleasures I have.

*as always, the voice of dissent*
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
MrsBrown, your post reminds me so much of Joe Vs the Volcano.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
How do I decorate my work space? I have my daughter's track meet trophy blocking the printer, a couple of checkbooks that need to get entered into Quicken, a pamphlet on summer swimming lessons, a lovely black and turquoise brush, a library card, miscellaneous CDs and construction paper art work and the case my camera would be in if it was not currently being charged. It's lovely, and extremely inspirational.
Melanie
 
Posted by Kendrlynne (Member # 8599) on :
 
My husband's job is to kill mosquitos so I decorated my workspace with a big poster of common North American mosquitos. It grosses my colleagues out. It's awesome.

I memorized which ones carry West Nile, just in case anyone asked. No one has. Guess now that Swine Flu is all the rage, no one cares about West Nile anymore. Sigh.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
That's what bird flu thinks too, I think. Dang that piggie who is stealing my thunder.

All those animals are out to get us.
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Congratulations on the 700th post on Random Musings!

 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Did you do that on purpose Sheena? If not it was a pretty cool coincidence.

Could people predict how serious you are at your writing on any given day based on which threads you frequent on Hatrack? Or is it just me?


 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Imagine if 9:11 were your birthday. How do you suppose it would feel when that day rolls around and instead of celebration you find the whole world is in mourning?

True story: I may have already told this story but here it goes...

I wanted to do something special for our 10th anniversity. I started putting a little bit of money away, every chance I got, for a couple of years. Finally I had enough for a trip to Hawaii and planned on giving it to her on her birthday. And what day would that be, you may ask.

September 11th 2001

What a day to get plane tickets for a present.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I lose the plot when it skips to a new page.

The main personal decoration in my work space is a bunch of postcards (all sent by me to my usual coworker) and a baseball-themed calendar (provided by said coworker). Other than that, everything is utilitarian, needed for the job, and so on.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I have a diaper next to my laptop. It's staring at me. I feel like it's related to the money I could be saving with Geiko.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I had a workspace, once... it was surrounded by piles and piles of books, plus an assortment of random drawings done by my Girl Scouts, picture collages and lists of funny quotes.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Methods for getting people to believe you (as good as, if not better than, proof). A collection of proof techniques that will prove invaluable to both mathematicians and members of the general public.

PROOF TECHNIQUE #1 – ‘Proof By Induction’
Obtain a large power transformer.
Find someone who does not believe your theorems.
Get this person to hold the terminals on the HV side of the transformer.
Apply 25000 volts AC to the LV side of the transformer.
Repeat step (4) until they agree with the theorem.

PROOF TECHNIQUE #2 – ‘Proof By Contradiction’
State your theorem.
Wait for someone to disagree.
Contradict them.

PROOF TECHNIQUE #3 – Fire Proof
Summon all your inferiors for a departmental meeting.
Present your theorem.
Fire those who disagree.

PROOF TECHNIQUE #4 – The Famous Water Proof
State your theorem.
Wait for someone to disagree.
Drown them.
This is closely related to the ‘bullet’ proof, but is easier to make look like an accident.

PROOF TECHNIQUE #5 – Idiot Proof
State your theorem.
Write exhaustive documentation with glossy color pictures and arrows about which bit goes where.
Challenge anyone to not understand it.

PROOF TECHNIQUE #6 – Child Proof
State your theorem.
Encapsulate it in epoxy and shape it into an ellipsoid.
Put it in a jar with all the other proofs (one with one of those Press-to-Open lids).
Give it to a professor and challenge him to open it.

PROOF TECHNIQUE #7 – Rabbit Proof
Generate theorems at an altogether startling rate, much faster than anybody is able to refute them.
Use up everybody else’s paper.
Run away at the slightest sign of danger.

PROOF TECHNIQUE #8 – Fool Proof
State your theorem.
Invite colleagues to comment.
If they don’t agree, exclaim loudly, “You fools!”

 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Kitti I am nominating your last post as the funniest thing I read on hatrack.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
uh...yeahhhhh...


 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I suppose you could call where I am right now my "workspace," but since I don't really "work" here (except the occasional words to a story), and I don't make a living here, it doesn't count.

Other than that, it's jam-packed with papers, books, magazines, disks, file folders, and whatnot. I try to clean it occasionally, but it usually gets back the way it was in a couple of weeks.

Actually I call it my "office," but it's really another bedroom (one of three). (The "other" other bedroom is my "library," and that's in nearly-as-bad a state as my "office.")
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Sweet! I wish I had a whole room I could devote just to my books... it might make it easier for me to find the rest of my junk!

My most recent roommate and I had so many books at one point that we had six bookcases between the two of us, not counting the piles of our (combined total of) about 300 library books and the closet that we crammed full of boxes of books that we got from a retiring professor (we had to bring in the minivan to pick them all up from his office.) During our free time, we took to building book castles in our empty floor space :-)
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
My dream workspace, which I will build if I ever find myself with a room I can devote to it in my house (and, um, also a house)

Steel whiteboards. I can write things on the walls and magnet other things. It will be fantabulous. That is the true reason why I want to make a living as a writer, so I can justify such a thing.

Also the proof I use is the Demmuggledited one:
State your theorem
Then if anyone tries to argue against you start talking in a bizar way, act as if you are making sense
continue till you have your opponent questioning their own sanity.
(helps if you have others to agree with you're jabber)
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I have my son's broken tooth on my windowsill.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
quote:
Could people predict how serious you are at your writing on any given day based on which threads you frequent on Hatrack?

Ouch. That stung. Only because I'm not writing...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My books have spread out through the house. I live a Collyer Brothers lifestyle...someday they'll find me crushed under a pile of books that fell over on me when I dived in and tried to dig out the one I wanted to read.

I figure the total number of books / magazines in my house is approaching ten thousand. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
So I read the topic in the writing section on "The Sun Must Die" and I thought - yes! I woke up at 4:01 A.M. this morning, and the sun was trying to shine. Die, sun, die!!

Do they have seasonal defective disorder for people who get too much sunlight?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I have to sleep days in order to work nights. The sun is my enemy.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Statistics on the first 700 posts

Number of members that posted in RM: 43

Who posted the most: Robert Nowall 126 times

The next five:
Inarticulate Babbler 67
Unwritten 51
Snapper 46
Shimiqua 37
Zero 37

Number of members that posted only once: 9

Number of members that posted at least twenty times: 11

Number of members that posted at least thirty times: 8

Number of times KDW posted: 19

Last one to join the thread: Kendrlynne at post 698

The last time RFWII posted before he fell off the face of the earth: 404

Hatrackers you may be surprised to know that never posted in RM:
Talespinner, Crystal Stevens, Bored Crow, Merlion-Emrys, and debhoag.

Thanks for posting when we are at a new century mark. Makes my job easier.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited June 02, 2009).]
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Robert, what's the point of living in Florida if you never see the sun?
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
BoredCrow has been on vacation recently and debhoag's got two novella/novelettes coming out. I don't know what's up with TS. Has skadder posted?
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Wow Snapper, are you an accountant at heart?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It wasn't my idea. My parents shanghaied me here when I was seventeen.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Totally random. Today at the library, I got my hands on a 500-year-old book that had been severely damaged during the WWII bombings of London. Just the memory of the way the thing had been literally shredded still gives me the chills. And the saddest part? I opened the flyleaf to find a 19th century note declaring the book to be a rare "perfect copy" of the work. Not anymore...

 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Thanks to all of you who frequent Hatrack; what a wonderful forum!
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
If I was a watermelon seed, I don't know if I'd rather be spit out or swallowed.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Wow Kitti, that's amazing.

I'm having a rotten day, and I am fishing for some sympathy. I lost the keys to a loaner car, and so I've been stuck at home all day long until my husband can get to the dealer and get another set of keys. Whether or not I have anywhere to go, I hate feeling trapped.

And I am on Day 3 of midsomer madness, and it's very obvious that all the great scenes I have planned out in my head are not the same thing as a plot.

What I need is to sit down with someone who will ask me the tough questions.



 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
No one is feeling very sympathetic tonight, I can tell.
C'est la vie.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Do you think the keys could be in the car or did you drop them somewhere? If you lost it, I hope the key didn't have a microchip in it.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Sorry, Unwritten. I hate losing stuff. Hope your day gets better!

Tough questions: Who is God? What is the meaning of life? Are we more than just a bag full of chemicals and electrical impulses? (I know my answers, but many would not agree.)

Oh, wrong type of questions...

So, um, what does your character want? What will get in his way? How will he fail? How will he change? Who will stand against him? How will he fail again? What builds up to the grand climax? What will be his last big struggle, where he saves the day?

Yeah, if only it was that easy...
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I hate editing.

I had to take a break and vent that, thanks.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I missed this earlier...

If you need tough questions, I'm your man. Of course, we'll have to arrange a time for them--I've got a busy day today (headed toward Brunswick to do some work), but tomorrow will be better.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
We cleaned out our basement yesterday, and you wouldn't believe what I found down there.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I don't have a basement.
 
Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
Jimmy Hoffa?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I once lost my mind on main street. Is that what you found in your basement? I once found a hobo spider in my basement, those things are freaky, I had to kill it fourteen times before I could sleep that night. Also I was cleaning out behind my greenhouse that collapsed and after a few layers i noticed the ground was black . . . and moving. It was a hoard of black widows. I sprayed so much poison that nothing will live there for generations. I still feel them crawling up my ankles, into my socks up my pant leg.


Thanks alot for bringing up those traumatic memories.
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Sorry, Pyre Dynasty, I had to laugh! Killed it fourteen times, eh?
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I'm e-mailing you IB.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I found the car keys last night. They were at the bottom of my pants drawer. I have no idea how they got there, since the pants I had been wearing were in the laundry, not in the drawer.

And philocinemas, your "I hope it didn't have a microchip" was an exact quote from the salesman who had let me use the car in the first place.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Unwritten, I'm glad you found the keys.

My son lost his Nintendo DS for a couple of days recently in much the same way. I was not too happy with him at the time, but I certainly was relieved when he found it. My 2-day lecture to him while searching for it was worse punishment for him than the possibility of never seeing the game system again.

I think I've told my black widow story before, but for those who haven't heard it...

I was walking through my apartment about 11-12 years ago and thought I saw a piece of lent on the floor in a darkened hallway. I picked it up and walked to the bathroom to throw it in the trash. When it started moving, I dropped it in the sink. I saw that it was a spider, so I proceeded grab some tissue paper to smash it without examining it in detail first. After I lifted up the flattened arachnid, I saw that it had a red hour-glass on its underside. I called the emergency room at my local hospital and asked if I would have felt it if it had bitten me. They said I might not feel it and that I should probably come in. I spent an hour and a half in the emergency room, without admitting myself, to see if I showed any symptoms of being poisoned. I never did, so it apparently never bit me in the 20-30 seconds I carried it through my apartment.
 


Posted by Kendrlynne (Member # 8599) on :
 
The other day, my husband decided to burn a black widow with hairspray and a lighter. No joke, the thing made a noise like one of those screamer fireworks. So. Gross. Plus it smelled really vile and bubbled and stuff. I do not recommend this method of killing a black widow spider to anyone.

philocinemas, I'm glad you escaped your ordeal with no bite. My mom was bitten by a black widow. She said she could feel the poison burning and it traveled up her veins. No fun at all. Plus, she said that wasn't even the worst part. It's a neurotoxin so it made her anxious for weeks, like, pace-around-the-house-turning-lights-on-and-off-semi-nuerotic anxious. Crazy stuff.

On another note, I just have to say that I love reading posts in this forum because everyone proofreads their comments.

Other forms you seesoooooo many psots that lookc more liake this adn nooone seems to careat all.

Drives me crazy though.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?"

No idea where this first came from, but even after several years I'm still amazed I can read the thing.
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
I was just thinking this morning about writing a story about a man who kept himself in his house. He ate mice and spiders, which inhabited his house in abundance. I am sure most of us don't want to think about how many critters share our living space. (Shiver down my spine)
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Owasm, ever heard of a character named Renfield?

Edited to add: come to think of it, the story he's in is in the public domain (I think), and writing a story from his point of view could be done. Whether I (or anyone else, for that matter)think it should be or not is another question, however.

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited June 05, 2009).]
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
You toy with Renfield, Master. Heh, heh, heh.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Has skadder posted?

Yep, three times. He was one of those prairie dog poster’s. Sticks his head up to see what is going on then disappear for a while. Other prairie dogs…

BentTree – 10
Aspirit – 12
Tnwilz – 14
Annepin – 6

Their posts are grouped in clumps. They participate then go away. Sometimes they return for another peek.

The curious thing I found about the other five names is that you see them everywhere else on hatrack. Full time members they greet, comment in F&F, and offer opinions in the Writing section. Just not here.

quote:
Wow Snapper, are you an accountant at heart?

Ugh. I considered becoming one of those. I believe I have the patience and organizational talents that fit but when I got a brief look I came to the conclusion that it was a Stepford job. The kind that turns you into a perfect citizen but you lose the thing that makes you human. Like fun. My brother proved my point when he became one. He used to be such a happy and an alive guy. Now he’d make a nice cardboard cut out for a politician. He has this pasted on smile, is always guarded on what he says and is careful to not make a public spectacle. He doesn’t take anything that could ever be construed as a risk anymore. No more dancing with a lamp shades on his head these days.
His house is three times the size of mine though. Maybe he has it right and I don’t.

quote:
Thanks to all of you who frequent Hatrack; what a wonderful forum!

And thank you, MrsBrown. We really enjoy your company. A late joiner that has dove right into the thread. Another is Kitti she first joined at post 324 but didn’t post her second until post 427. She posted 30 more of the posts between then and post 700. That made her responsible for 11.1 % of the posts in that space. That’s Robert Nowall territory!

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited June 05, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My parents just acquired a cat. It walked up, my mother started feeding it...it lives at their house now.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A guy I knew in my Internet Fan Fiction community went by the name "Renfield." Hey, are you hanging 'round here under another name?
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
My supervisor just told me that I have to move desks because I talk too much to my neighbor.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
In high school I once had a math teacher tell me she would staple my tongue to the tongue of the boy across from me if we weren't quiet during her evaluation.
At least your supervisor just made you move.

[This message has been edited by Unwritten (edited June 06, 2009).]
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Today I discovered that very strange things will happen to your pictures if you get your digital camera wet....
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
quote:
come to think of it, the story he's in is in the public domain (I think), and writing a story from his point of view could be done. Whether I (or anyone else, for that matter)think it should be or not is another question, however.

Dang it, that was my brilliant idea, I've been working on it for years. Now you go and share it with a bunch of writers, some of them are actually capable of carrying it off. (Just kidding, but I have been working on a Renfield novel.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Our supervisor has decided to shuffle everybody around from their usual work areas this coming week---because he can, apparently. When our efficiency goes down, that'll be our reward.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
"We're gonna need to go ahead and move you downstairs into storage B. We have some new people coming in, and we need all the space we can get. So if you could just go ahead and pack up your stuff and move it down there, that would be terrific, OK?"

- Office Space

 


Posted by DWD (Member # 8649) on :
 
At the substantial risk of starting a cascade of Office Space quotes:

"Michael, we don't have a lot of time on this earth! We weren't meant to spend it this way. Human beings were not meant to sit in little cubicles staring at computer screens all day, filling out useless forms and listening to eight different bosses drone on about about mission statements." -- Peter Gibbons
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Robert, what you need to do is print up dozens and dozens of signs and tape them up all over the office. "No, not this way, Person X!" "Person Y, take a left here." "U-turn, Person Z, U-turn!"
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The reason we have supervisors is because useless people need jobs too. This is what happens when a person sits in their office with too much time on their hands, I say get 'em addicted to World of Warcrack.
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Just think, if we didn't have supervisor positions for the idiots of the world, they would probably end up in a real job where real work is required and they could do some real damage. I'm happy we just box them up in an office and let them burn all their idiocy off on things like planning staff meetings and setting team goals. The world is much safer that way.


 


Posted by eslteacher (Member # 8640) on :
 
Must...stop....laughing....can't breathe!...
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
quote:
I'm e-mailing you IB.

As an attachment, Unwritten? I'd think the mail server would reject him as spam.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
If he does go through, can you send me a copy?
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
If I can download him to my desktop, I bet I could configure him for automated critique mode. But can he be configured for my writing directories only, or will he comment on unrelated documents?

I can just imagine:

Dear Alice, nice to hear from you. Who's Alice? I'm glad your cat is feeling better. Cat? Where'd that come from? The books you asked about are on the way. Hope you like them. Can you explain how the books relate? I'll write more next time. I should think so!
Love,
Ruth

Yeah, I wouldn't want to print that one. Poor Alice!

[This message has been edited by MrsBrown (edited June 08, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Just this morning---well, technically, last night---he called us into a meeting, and started to explain how it all was going to work. I say "started," 'cause when we started asking questions---mostly "why is this being done" and "what happens if"---he got mad and stopped the explanation.

It's supposed to be implemented tonight---and it's my day off. From gossip among ourselves, we give it a week, tops.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
The Peter Principle by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull may be an old book (1968), but it still has a lot to say about the way businesses are run.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
quote:
On another note, I just have to say that I love reading posts in this forum because everyone proofreads their comments.

And now, you can see why every one is so careful. One misplaced comma, and your authenticity as a writer is shot.

Mrs. Brown, that was so funny!
Melanie


 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
With all due respect to Mrs. Brown and IB, I think you missed a few. My take:

Dear Alice, nice to hear from you. Too much backstory. Start when the action starts I'm glad your cat is feeling better. Cat? Where'd that come from? The books you asked about are on the way. Hope you like them. Can you explain how the books relate? I'll write more next time. POV!!!If you are writing in deep 3rd, how can she know if she'll write again?
Love,
Ruth
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I think that needs to go in the feedback sections, don't you?

You know you are really a writer when you send your personal letters in for critique. You know you're on Hatrack when you actually get one.

~Sheena
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
<--Often imitated; never duplicated.


 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
LOL! Particularly applicable because of the email copies flying around... I'm still waiting for mine, Melanie.

[This message has been edited by MrsBrown (edited June 09, 2009).]
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
IB - didn't the genie say that in Disney's Aladdin?
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Did he? You mean Robin Williams? Could be. It still applies.

The first I heard of it was Joe Frazier's upset of Mohammed Ali.

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited June 09, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Working down Google..."Often imitated, never duplicated" had 555,000 sites...adding "origin" dropped it to about 8500...adding "quote" dropped it to 250...adding "first" put it at 50...

But none of the sites were helpful in answering the burning question of "who was the first person to say this?"
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
No, IB, satate meant the genie. Williams was just reading the script.

But anyway, I bet you ten to one the quote was in play before that, as others have suggested.

[This message has been edited by Zero (edited June 09, 2009).]
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Good point, Zero! When I read The Fellowship of the Rings aloud to my son, its Frodo and the others talking, even if its my voice. (But its fun to try and give them distinctive voices. Especially Sam, Gandalf, and Gollum.)
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:
No, IB, satate meant the genie. Williams was just reading the script.

I hate to break it to you, Zero, but Robin Williams never just reads a script. You wouldn't believe how much he adlibs.

And, on the other side of that arguement, the genie didn't say anything...he's a drawing--Robin Williams did all the talking.
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
What???? But that means all the other characters are just drawings too? I'm crushed. Is the Little Mermaid just a drawing? Oh no! all of my fantasies have just gone up in smoke (CGI smoke, I guess)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
They say that when filming those TV shows starring stand-up comics ("Everybody Loves Raymond," "Home Improvement," and so on), the star / comic "one-ups" his lines when he reads 'em...
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
I am Frodo!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Frodo! Long time no see! So what happened after you sailed out of the Grey Havens?
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Owasm, the carpet was the only CGI creation in Aladdin. The genie was actually hand-drawn.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Nickelodeon slime tastes better than it looks.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Since there are no more words, I ceased to exist. ~Frodo
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
IB - Now I have to know how you know what Nickelodeon slime tastes like.

Long Live Frodo!
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
This one time, at bandcamp...
 
Posted by eslteacher (Member # 8640) on :
 
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I kinda miss eight-track tapes...
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
IB, good luck proving he adlibbed that line.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
The makers of ALLADIN said that they had to adapt the animation to fit what Robin Williams said when he got going, and they were willing to do that because they thought his stuff was so great.

A lot of what he does is allusion to something someone else said, so I suspect that he was alluding to the Frazier/Ali upset remark. And those people who "get it" with each of the things he does like that have an extra little bit of enjoyment of his "schtick."
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I did not know this before, but did you know he was close friends with the late Christopher Reeve?

[added] Not just friends but former college roommates.

[This message has been edited by Zero (edited June 10, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
No, but I knew he was with John Belushi the night (morning) he died. He'd just left him. Robin Williams claims to have changed his view on the drug scene because of it. (He really doesn't need drugs...he's already certifiable.)
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Personally I think drugs stifled him. I saw him on Leno once right after he got out of rehab, Leno couldn't get a word in.

That reminds me of my theory of comics. There are three varieties (really four, but the fourth kinds isn't funny so I don't consider them comics) The first is the Alpha comic, when they are with other comics they beat them into submission. (Which means the other comics can't say their jokes because they are laughing too hard.) Robin Williams is an alpha comic, as is Rosie O'Donnell (which is why she had such a hard time on the view, she never let anyone else talk.) The Rocket Man guy is the most powerful I've seen. I'd like to see him face off with Williams.

Then there are Beta comics, Beta comics want to be Alpha comics but they aren't good enough. I feel for Beta comics because they are always so frustrated when in the presence of a true Alpha.

Gamma comics are secure with themselves and their position, they know they are going to get their joke in, they also know when to get their jokes in (like when Robin Williams takes a breath) They just sit back and wait for the opportunity. These make the best talk show hosts.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Lol, the "Rocketman Guy" is Harlan Williams. So it would be Williams versus Williams. I don't think I could watch much (at one shot).
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Don't forget the subdivision between those who have a set patter and those who involve the audience. I went out to a live comedy show the other weekend, and ended up being seated in the front row. Let me tell you, I was cringing in anticipation of the jokes at my expense... but somehow the comedians managed to pick on everyone in my party except me (whew) and the birthday girl! Still, I have to say, my favorite comedian out of the bunch was the one who kept audience mockery to a minimum.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Lotsa these guys leave me cold and unlaughing...I never thought Rosie O'Donnell was particularly funny.

Then again, I've got the first four seasons of "SNL" on DVD...I watch their stuff, particularly the Weekend Update segments, and think: Did I really think this was funny back then?

*****

Saw an odd reference to Rosie O'Donnell the other day. I was reading a biography of Curtis LeMay. (You may have heard the stereotype, but, like all of them, the real story behind it is more complex and interesting.)

The relative quote is this: "Within days of the Japanese surrender, LeMay, Rosie O'Donnell, and Barney Giles were ordered to fly three B-29s back to the States." I read that, and said, "WHAT?"

A quick look in the index pointed me to an earlier reference I had missed, to one Wing Commander Emmett "Rosie" O'Donnell, "a native New Yorker with a thick Brooklyn accent." Mystery solved...though I wonder if that Rosie O'Donnell is related to the Rosie O'Donnell we all know, and, well, know.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I think Ron White is funny - he's the only one on the Blue Collar circuit that really doubles me over.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The types of Comedian has more to do with how they interact with each other than with the audience. I like classic O'Donnel.

Did you know that Harland Williams once glued his shoes to the Eiffel Tower?
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I once glued my fingers together.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I never thought I'd find someone I could say this about, but I think Robert Nowall might google more things than I do.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Haha Shimiqua you are funny and that was true randomness. There I was just reading through the random posts, procrastinating editing, and then your post almost made me snort with laughter. Good thing it didn't cause my babies are sleeping.

I once forgot to bring my flute on a band trip to another state.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
My daughter once glued her foot to the floor...with superglue. (A stain in the shape of her foot is still on the linoleum.)
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Brian Regan is the funniest comedian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw2GG93ErFA&feature=related

Or this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2F_3BS6QSY&feature=related

[This message has been edited by tnwilz (edited June 12, 2009).]
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Ever licked something frozen and then had your tongue stick to it (like glue, but not really)?
 
Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
Why do I feel a triple-dog-dare coming up?
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
When I was young we used to jump from a second-story balcony at a friend's house. We threw rocks into an above-ground pool. We gathered flowers for our mothers for Mother's Day--from neighbors' yards and the local greenhouse.

One time my friend's older brother terrorized us with his shotgun, pointing it at us and threatening to fire it. It was unloaded, but what an idiot.

I used to be afraid there was a demon in the attic--down the hall from my bedroom. I had to pass its hiding place on my way to bed. And sometimes I imagined a group of them on the roof above my bed, sawing a circular hole so they could drop in (they were a smaller variety). What a pleasant childhood memory.

Enough randomness for one post...

[This message has been edited by MrsBrown (edited June 12, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
One day when I was a kid, a long time ago it seems, the neighborhood gang of kids, of which I was one, took turns jumping off one set of kids' second-story back porch. We had a good time until their mother caught us and made us stop.

Or did I say that already in this thread?
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
My four year old daughter can play the piano by ear better than I can.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Sometimes I think about the shenanigans we all pulled when we were kids, and wondered that any of us made it to adulthood... :P
 
Posted by Jeff M (Member # 7828) on :
 
Tonight I'm going to see a play put on by a transgender youth group. It's about pirates.

 
Posted by Devnal (Member # 6724) on :
 
Tonight I'm going to see a play put on by pirates. It's about a transgender youth group.
 
Posted by Devnal (Member # 6724) on :
 
Heyyyyy....wait a second!
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Post 811

Just making a reference point.
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
quote:
play the piano by ear
that gave me a very funny visual, until I reoriented on what you meant ;0

 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
The 2003 director's cut of Alien 3 was significantly better than the 1992 theatrical version of the film. It is amazing how changing a few scenes here and there could change an entire picture.

I wonder if I should give the director's cut of Highlander II a chance? I found the theatrical version painful during the one and only time I ever watched it.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Bertolucci said the "director's cut" of The Last Emperor was just like the theatrical releaase, except longer...and more boring...
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
From the lack of posts I can only guess that there was no randomness today. There's always tomorrow.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
They tell me the world can't end tomorrow because it's already tomorrow in Australia.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Call off the search I am not lost I have just been locked in the loony bin. I am getting med boarded from the army due to the fact that they drove me nuts. Everything from the neck down works just fine except my back, hips, and knees, the army broke them too. I am looking at getting 50 to 60% of E4 pay for the rest of my life.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Is that good news or bad news?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
News good or bad? Is that the world not ending, or Rommel Fenrir Wolf II's return and / or disability?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The best can opener I ever had broke yesterday, after about fifteen to twenty years of use. What happened is as follows:

(1) It took me twenty minutes to find my older one (which didn't work as well, and I occasionally cut myself on the ragged edge) and carry on opening the tunafish cans.

(2) When it broke, I got vegetable oil all over one of my good work shirts; I washed it right away but the stain didn't come out; I washed it again this morning, hoping for the best.

(3) I searched the online store of Brookstone, which is where I got the can opener in the first place. Near as I could tell, they don't carry that particular model (something I knew from going in their retail stores), but their online store doesn't carry any manual can openers. ('Tisn't the first time Brookstone stopped carrying something I wanted to buy: I had to get new Mindfolds direct from the manufacturer. But I have no idea who made these particular can openers.)

(4) I'll have to go out and buy a new, and maybe inadequate, substitute can opener right away.
 


Posted by Devnal (Member # 6724) on :
 
Tonight I'm going to see the directors cut of a play put on by aliens that are on disability. It's about a transgender group of Australian geriatric can openers and there search for the randomness of tomorrow.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Case closed.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I just saw "UP" this afternoon...excellent movie, all the way 'round...the montage sequence in the beginning was just about the saddest thing I've ever seen on film...
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
My heart bleeds to hear about Robert's can opener. There are a lot of things that you get used to using over the years, then it breaks and replacements aren't available.

I had a popcorn bowl that was perfect. It was dropped and a crack developed (it was made out of melamine), ruining it.

I didn't even buy it in the state I currently live.

Life can be a real trial.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I have been feeling very unrandom lately. I'm hoping that posting randomly about it might help.

*waits*

Maybe it won't take until I hit the submit reply button.
 


Posted by Tani (Member # 8608) on :
 
Is anything truly random?

 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Yes. Angry Butt-Wookies are random.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
They're not random, just uncomfortable.

It's a pity when the things we love die, even though they didn't live in the first place. Like I remember when I invented the electric toaster . . . last Tuesday . . . and I came out of my workshop hungry for something buttery. So I went to the kitchen put some bread into the silver shiny thing that came with the house and turned on the tv. As I munched my victory lunch a program came on about inventors. Needles to say when it started talking about the electric toaster being invented in 1893 I started crying.

Tears of Joy! This meant that I would also, someday, invent a time machine. Nobel prize and caveman wife here I come.

On an unrelated note I once stuck my tongue to a spoon full of dry Ice. On a related note try pressing dry ice onto a piece of steel.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
My grandparents have a household of appliances from the 1950s and 1960s that are still going strong; gramps repairs then whenever they break down, which isn't often. Of course, it helps that he designed them when they were first manufactured...

My other grandparents had a philosophy that I am currently clinging to: the easiest way to keep your home decluttered is to throw away everything that breaks during a move. <ommm... summoning the decluttered home...>
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:
They're not random, just uncomfortable.

They're random for me; it's not everyday my @$$ can communicate with Chewbacca--let alone make him cry. It surprises me every time.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I bought a new can opener at the market yesterday. It's of similar design...but will it work as comfortably in my hands as the other one did?

(My mother uses a can opener, that, when I tried it, I always cut myself on the protruding lid.)

Meanwhile...my main TV blinks on and off for up to twenty minutes after I turn it on and the colors are all off when it settles down...my dishwasher seems not to be cleaning the dishes as well as I think it should...my cable TV signal seems to lose certain digital channels as the sun goes up and the cables and connections get warm...and my DVD recorder seems to be filling up the disks after only a couple of half-hour programs.

Ah, well...I'm actively shopping for a new TV, what with the old one being technologically obsolete besides the problems...my cable TV problems will wait until I get that new TV 'cause they may be connected to the old TV breakdown...I have another DVD recorder I can move to the other room...and I added some rinse agent to the dishwasher yesterday, which may improve the situation.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I used to have a microwave that was made back in the late 70's. It was large enough to put a medium size pizza, including the box, in it. My wife insisted I get rid of it after we got married - it did take up quite a bit of space. However, it helped me survive college and my early to mid twenties.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Is the Keep Alive talking to the computer, the OS, or the custom software? I wasn't born a tech writer...
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Still searching for some randomness. Here's 2 minutes of my life on summer vacation:

My daughter: I've got a good idea for dinner. Can I make my good idea? Can you make mashed potatoes? Could you look up a recipe for me? Oh yeah, I know, all I've got to do is peel mashed potatoes, put them in a pot, wait for them to boil then dump the water out and mash them.

Me: OK. If you go get the potatoes you can make them.

My daughter: Yes! You said I couldn't cook til I was 10. (She's 6)

Me: Well, I'm going to help you, of course.

My daughter: NO! It's not fair. *Stomp. Stomp. Stomp.* Can Grammy and Grampy eat with us tonight, cause tomorrow they're leaving.

Me: I think they're already gone.

My daughter: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You are so mean! 5 plus 2 equals 7 OR 4 plus 3. Or 1 plus.... I got them. Now I'm going to peel them. Mommy where's the peeler? I can't find the peeler. MOM! Ooh...what's this drink? Can I have a taste of it?

She's the only child who was supposed to be outside. Of course, she's the only one inside.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Who wrote the song "Thank Heaven for Little Girls"?
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
My daughter came to me while I was on the computer. She had been playing with her cousin and little sister. She told me they were playing a game she made up and was called "I am in Charge."
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
A day or two after my wisdom teeth were removed, I rested at my parents-in-the-law's house. The list from the oral surgeon said I could eat eggs that day. I was ecstatic at the idea of eating something other than jello and pain meds.

Only my father-in-law was home. From his old reclining chair in the family room, he smirked at my glee and gave me permission to use the kitchen.

I bolted to the stove. I opened a cabinet. I stared inside.

"Poppa, I use a pan to cook eggs, right?"

"Yes. Bottom left cabinet."

"Thanks. Umm... Do I use oil or butter?"

My father-in-law made me eggs that day.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
quote:
Other prairie dogs…

BentTree – 10
Aspirit – 12
Tnwilz – 14
Annepin – 6

Their posts are grouped in clumps. They participate then go away. Sometimes they return for another peek.
The curious thing I found about the other five names is that you see them everywhere else on hatrack. Full time members they greet, comment in F&F, and offer opinions in the Writing section. Just not here.


Here's 14.

Do you really think I want to leave proof I'm not being productive?

Anyway, prairie dogs are cute. I wish to transform into one of the old, fat dogs that sits on a mound. That's after I finish a novel, of course. (2029?)
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
"I know a joke! A squirrel walks up to a tree and says, 'I forgot to collect nuts for the winter.' Then he dies. It's funny because a squirrel dies at the end." - Dug the dog (Up)

No guarantees on accuracy. It's a great example of what a dog might think is funny, though.

This is 15. I'm going to bed now.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Who wrote the song "Thank Heaven for Little Girls"?

Alan Jay Lerner and Frederick Loewe.
 


Posted by Jeff M (Member # 7828) on :
 
The cast of "Welcome Back, Kotter"... what are they doing now?

(because you wanted to know. You just didn’t know you wanted to know)

Gabe Kaplan (Mr. Kotter): champion professional poker player and does stand-up comedy gigs.

John Travolta (Barbarino): Movie superstar

Robert Hegyes (Epstein): Teaches screenwriting and acting at colleges and high schools in California.

Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs (“Boom Boom” Washington): occasional movie/TV appearance, and writes movie/TV theme music. As a keyboardist, has released a couple of albums. (I would’ve thought he’d play bass, not piano...)

Ron Palillo (Horseshack): Illustrates children’s books and still gets the occasional acting gig.

Marcia Strassman (Julie Kotter): TV and film actress. Involved with numerous causes (AIDS, cancer, children’s).

John Sylvester White (Mr. Woodman): passed away in 1988 (cancer).

 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
At least they're not back where they started.
 
Posted by Jeff M (Member # 7828) on :
 
Their dreams were their ticket out.

 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Gabe Kaplan had a book out the other year...s funny collection of his letters, replies to when somebody wants him to do some kind of acting or reality-show gig, and so on, and so forth.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I sense a revolution.

I was reading a newspaper and I heard some whispering--from my foot.

I am fairly certain that the cells of my body have had enough of 'working together as a community', as they said, and have decided to all go their seperate ways.

What's to become of me?

[This message has been edited by skadder (edited June 19, 2009).]
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I didn't clean at all today, but I did write a chapter.
I think that secretly counts.
~Sheena
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
Adverb...so now it doesn't count. Sorry, gotta be harsh.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 

Secretly isn't just another adverb. It's a super adverb. It is in fact the greatest adverb ever invented. So..

Yeah....

It so totally counts.
~Sheena

P.S. I'm aware that totally is also an adverb. It is Secretly's super friend. Have you not heard of the secretly totally awesome group of super words, with their amazing super powered awesomeness? Frankly, I'm surprised.

 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
My toe says you are making it up. I tend to believe my body parts above adverb users like you.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I love the internet.
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
But does the internet love you????
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I spent most of the morning baking for a bake sale. Faux Mrs. Fields chocolate chip cookies.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
quote:
But does the internet love you????

If you go to the right websites it does....at least that's what I heard...
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I went sailing today. My son caught his first fish (and released it). We went swimming. Then we roasted marshmallows on a campfire. It was a very nice day.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Haha haha hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I had just enough time to bake another batch of cookies. I'm baking right now.

Ah, well, at least the add-a-word thread finally died...
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I woke up this morning looking like an Oompa-Loompa minus the green hair.
 
Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
The last time I had green hair I was happily partying along with everyone else...
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Happy Fathers Day to all the fathers out there.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Happy New Moon,

Next Full Moon July 7th at 0921 UTC.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Lock up your children. The werewolf is out on a full moon!
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
More like let out your children. What kid doesn't want to stay out all night making noise and running around?
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
- It's supposed to be 106 degrees here today.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's hot here today, it's gonna be hot tomorrow, and I've got to cut the lawn, go grocery shopping, and buy a new TV set.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
It's 63 degrees here, and cloudy enough that werewolves aren't much of a threat. Huge chance that my children might blow away if I send them out though.
Should I or shouldn't I?

 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Do it! Do it now!!!!

haha, just kidding. Although your kids might think getting blown around is great fun....
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I am envious of everyone who lives somewhere it never gets over 100 degrees.
And even more envious of people who live where it never gets below 70 and above 90.

*sigh*
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Ha!
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I did it, but it's bizarre how the wind just kept blowing them back inside. They've got the weather rigged, I think.
 
Posted by JohnMac (Member # 8472) on :
 
The wind was blowing them back inside or blowing /from/ their backsides? >
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've got to weedwhack, too. Should be starting in just about an hour.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Quote…Lock up your children. The werewolf is out on a full moon!.... End Quote

No I don’t eat kids, I eat hippies, and babies, kids just taste bad.

Anyway

I have come to the conclusion that no matter how clean your house is, how clean your NCO’S say it is, the F*^@!#% Sergeant Major will always find something wrong with it.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
NCO = Husband
F*^@!#% Sergeant Major = Wife
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
I protest!
 
Posted by Jeff M (Member # 7828) on :
 
While there are many foods that taste better the next day (chili, for one), there’s only one where I actually prefer leftovers to just-cooked.

Quinoa.

It just tastes sooo much better when I reheat it for lunch the next day. What manner of witchcraft makes quinoa go from a bland (if somewhat bitter), fairly unappetizing grain to a tasty alternative to rice just by spending the night in my refrigerator???


 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
You know, I would have laughed at that comment not long ago, but now I've actually HAD quinoa and it really is tasty. My kids actually beg for the quinoa cakes my husband makes. Hmmm...maybe I'll go over to the recipe thread and write it down. It ain't as gourmet as most of the stuff over there, but it is healthy.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My homemade spaghetti sauce tends to thicken up the second time around; it's better that way.

*****

I did cut the lawn this morning. Weedwhacking too. Took from 7:20 AM to 9:30 AM...after which I was completely drained.

Meanwhile on other fronts, I bought a new TV this afternoon. Was this the thread I mentioned my blinking TV problems on? After eight hundred plus posts I forget...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My computer (or my connection) seems to have a case of the slows this morning. I've got to go offline and fiddle some with it...
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
You ever write something at night, think its great, then get up in the morning read it and say 'yuck'?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I usually say "yuck" while I'm writing it...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My computer is still slow. I think it's the connection now: I had a bad phone call this morning where the voice on the other end scrambled on my end every other pause-to-speak---but, apparently, I could be heard fine throughout. All my stuff (cable, phones, this high-speed thing) go through the same stuff. I'll see how it goes, maybe later today, maybe tomorrow.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
When to San Diego fair last night to watch The Guess Who. My wife managed to score 6th row floor seats that normally go for a hundred bucks, for free. One of the best concerts I've seen. They put on a flawless show. The sound is really really good at the Heineken theater but wow, tremendously talented musicians. If you ever get a chance go see them.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Bumper Sticker I saw today:
STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT!
 
Posted by Jeff M (Member # 7828) on :
 
Hey tnwilz,
Very cool... old guys can still rock.

Was it the whole band? I thought there was something a few years ago about Burton Cummings and Randy Bachman touring as "Bachman-Cummings" because they couldn't use the Guess Who name. Maybe all parties concerned have (figuratively) kissed and made up?

 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Unwritten (and anyone else), I'd be very interested in quinoa recipes. Please go to the recipe topic and post them?
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
You're right, Bachman and Cummings are not with the band anymore. But the lineup they have now has the two originals and some newer guys who have been in the band several years now. The lead vocalist is second to none, simply amazing. The guitarists are stunningly good. They did a twelve minute version of American Woman that started with a long drum solo. The drummer has been the drummer for the Guess Who since the 60's. My son was floored at how skilled old guys can be. We're actually gonna go catch the show again at the Antelope Valley fair in August where they are playing with Foreigner. Should be fun.
 
Posted by Jeff M (Member # 7828) on :
 
A few years ago I saw Yes. I missed them when they came through Toronto on their big stadium tour, but following that they did a mini-tour of small smaller venues with Dream Theater opening (doing a "quieter" set). So I splurged for "Gold Package" tickets and drove down to London, Ontario one night after work. I was in the third row, and I remember when they came out my first thought was, man these guys looked old.

So here they are, in a hockey arena in small-ish town in Canada on a weekday night after doing who knows how many shows over the past month or two on this tour, not to mention having done this over and over again for the past 35 years... and they nailed it!

The music was flawless, they were funny and engaging, and there was such energy and electricity to their performance. As I was leaving, I thought, man these guys are professionals.

 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Yes had a similar problem a few years back with the band's name as did Bachman and Cummings. I don't remember the member's name, but one of them, who had partial ownership in Yes's name, left the band and refused to let them call themselves "Yes". Instead, they decided to call themselves "Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, and Howell". I believe they all eventually reunited and considerably shortened their name by once again calling themselves "Yes".
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Hands down best concert I have ever seen: Nine Inch Nails. Love him or hate him, the guy knows how to put on a show. My mind was blown by how thoroughly entertained I was.


 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Let's see. Bands great for putting on a show. (It also depends on the venue. Some bads put on great shows in Europe, but aren't given as a good a budget in the USA.)

Testament. Hands down, the best live show I have ever seen--based on the band/crowd involvement, and being as tight as on the albums.

Great White, is second to Testament for frugal setups and winning the crowd vote.

KISS. For pushing the stunts and trademarks.

W.A.S.P. - Blackie Lawless once had pyrotechnics in a sports cup go awry, giving him burns--and a great scare that his goose (and its eggs) were cooked.

Iron Maiden. Internationally famous for their stage show, including a 3-D version of the album cover they're performing (and past albums). Huge.

Motley Crue. Again pushing the limits of stage show. They became famous for Tommy Lee's spinning drums (a stunt one-upped by Joey Jordison of Slipknot).

Rob Zombie usually has a multitude of pyrotechnics, accessories and dancing girls.

Pantera used to have a great show. (RIP Dimebag Darrel!)

And, the mother of all stage shows (not for the easily offended): GWAR. 'nuff said.

Last, but not least, a man who made his career on shocking antics (although he mostly does jumping jacks nowadays): Ozzy Osbourne.

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited June 25, 2009).]
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Looks like you like a lot of classic metal there, IB. Doesn't it just eat at you to see what the young people are calling "metal" these days. Insert random coughing, gargling, and incomprehensible screaming.

I miss the days of Dio and Bruce.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I know of some touring bands who get paid varying amounts depending on how many original members actually show up on stage.

I keep missing a Fox News promo where some show or other is going to have a guest band Creedence. Do they mean whatever's left of Creedence Clearwater Revival? Or did I just mishear and did they really say Creed? Or is it some other band altogether? (And why is a rock band on a news channel in the first place?)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My computer (or connection) is better today.

*****

My new TV came about two and a half hours ago. Picture looks good. I'll have to work with it some...have to arrange to pick up the HD channels...in a few weeks, maybe get some new DVD players...

But mainly I have to get the old one-hundred-fifty-pound TV off the cart I have it on...
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Well my insubordination caught up to me, the other day, and I was demoted to PFC. Not too bad garnet I had 5 cases ageist me and I was a SPC, so I just lost rank. To hell with it I say, I will be out in a month.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
RFW2nd, I tore the ligaments in my right ankle during the fifth week of basic back in 1992. I had actually entered as a specialist, which was in itself a serious mistake, but was demoted to PFC when I refused to sign the restart papers that would put me back in the third week after 3 1/2 months of double fire guard duties and rock garden details (not including the pots and pans and latrine duty that came after the ankle healed and my subsequent refusal). There is life after an Article 13.

 
Posted by DWD (Member # 8649) on :
 
philocinemas: I think that was Chris Squire. Incredible bassist, but apparently didn't always play well with others.

Yes was amazing in their heyday, and they can still nail it, for sure. Their best work, IMO, was on Close to the Edge, though the Relayer album was very underappreciated. Owner of a Lonely Heart and its containing album was only Yes by coincidence, so I don't include it.

Trivia Time: I once heard it said (no idea whether it's true or not) that Jon Anderson considered the lyrics to be part of the instrumentation. The meaning of the words was not as important as how each word sounded with the other instruments. He thus took "voicing" of the vocals to mean the same thing it means when one speaks of the "voicing" of an instrument. Very interesting. If you listen to their work with that in mind, you can hear the truth of it whether it was a conscious effort on his part or not.

[This message has been edited by DWD (edited June 25, 2009).]
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I really enjoy Anderson's vocals, they are always very expressive. I haven't heard anything recent, but I have liked most of Yes's music over the years and I own 3 or 4 CDs. I particularly liked his "Loved by Sun" from the movie Legend.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
I really like the thought of 900 posts. It's getting really close. I think I will pop an M&Ms dark in my mouth and contemplate that achievement for a second before I head back to work...

[This message has been edited by Owasm (edited June 25, 2009).]
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Wow. Michael Jackson is dead. Wow.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
post 900

 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Farrah Fawcett also died today.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
One Expected (Fawcett) and one finally going from the living dead to the dead dead (Jackson).

Somehow I am more saddened by Fawcett and her positive attitude than M. Jackson and his addled attitude.
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Yeah, but Fawcett didn't record Thriller.

Thriller
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I wonder who will be the third.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Never mind. I just heard that Ed McMahon died earlier this week.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
The amazing thing is that everyone everwhere knows Michael Jackson. Interesting interesting guy.

I love his music, and although I am not one of those super fans. He was a legend, and it is kind of sad to me to hear a legend died, and from something so ordinary.

Do you know of a single person who is so famous, or infamous?

I have nothing but pity for that freaky talented manchild.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Caught most of the Fox promo...it was "Creed," on screen, but still sounded like "Creedence" to me. Maybe I'm hearing it with ears and a brain more used to "Creedence."

All this before the Michael Jackson media circus kicked in. Given his position in pop culture, I'm not surprised at the reaction...outside of political figures, expect this kind of treatment for Paul and Ringo...maybe for Elton...Jacko might've gotten it if he'd died a lingering death, like Farrah...for any other show biz figure, it'll need something more. "Sudden" is good as always.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Y'know, at the beginning of the week, there were press reports that Walter Cronkite was near death, or at least very ill. (For those of you who aren't old enough, he was a prominent CBS anchorman / reporter, the guy right before Dan Rather.) No further word...meanwhile, Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and Michael Jackson have all, er, moved on.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
In some way I imagine Michael would have enjoyed being immortalized, which his early death will most certainly grant him. I wonder how long it will take for them to have people voting for "which Micheal" to be the first on a postage stamp.

Fortunately, I imagine he has alienated enough of the people who would typically be the ones to put his image on a velvet wallpiece.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Oh, and ready yourselves for all the conspiracy-theorists who are going to say he is not really dead and this has all been staged. (We're going to hear about this for the next 40 years)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I got to wondering...who gets custody of the Glove. (Sometime in the future, WALL-E has it. Look in the scene, early in the movie, where he "wakes up" with low power, and tries to focus his eyes on his stuff on the opposite wall of the truck. I'm pretty sure the Glove is there.)

[edited 'cause I just said "wall" when I should've said more.]

[This message has been edited by Robert Nowall (edited June 27, 2009).]
 


Posted by Tani (Member # 8608) on :
 
Alas, even I found myself wondering - is he really dead? What if it's just a publicity stunt? Yeah, the conspiracy theorists are going to have a blast with this one....

[This message has been edited by Tani (edited June 27, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Where would you find a body that looks exactly like him?
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Robert, the glove is actually in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland. That was my favorite exhibit there.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
It's already starting with family of MJ refusing to accept that his death was natural.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
WALL-E was in Cleveland? Imagine that.

As for the body - I haven't seen a body, have you?
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
This thread is really long.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
thats because there is no body. MJ was not human, he was an Ancient. he asended to a higher being. i know because i hunted him for many a year to end his life before he could asend. i failed.

also Billy Mays was found dead in his house yesterday. everyone seems to be dieing. Damn

RFW2nd
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
I think any critique of the 1st 13 should be respectful of the writer, even if the critter don't respect the words on the page. Any critique should be received with the attitude, Take what you Like and Leave the Rest. ...am I in the wrong thread?
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I was just going to mention Billy Mays. Do you thing it was Antony or the ShamWow guy who did it?
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I'm kind of glad Billy Mays won't be screaming at me anymore. He always made me feel like I was being verbally attacked by bad-ass verbal ninjas. Not as cool as it sounds.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
This thread is really long.

That was kind of the point, wasn't it?

*****

They're dropping like flies. I heard this morning that Gale Storm died...I heard this afternoon Fred Travalena died. Now a lot of you may not remember them, one being big in the, well, mostly the seventies, and the other being very big in the fifties. (I think if Gale Storm had died fifty years ago the equivalent media storm would've been about as big as the Michael Jackson thing today.)
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Snowy Blizzard was always my favorite. Then there was Sunny Heatwave and Rock Boulder, they were great too!
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I'm kind of glad Billy Mays won't be screaming at me anymore. He always made me feel like I was being verbally attacked by bad-ass verbal ninjas. Not as cool as it sounds.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Gale Storm. Brings back memories. She had a couple of TV shows. One was about being an activities director on a cruise ship... way before Love Boat. I was just a boy at the time. I only knew her in black and white.

Billy Mays. My heart stopped when I heard the news. I thought Willy Mays, the SF Giant. I am a Giants fan. Billy Mays drove (and will continue to drive) my wife crazy with his irritatingly loud barking. I'm sad to see anyone go, but give me a choice... he was only 49. A mere lad.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Usually they yank commercials right away when somebody in them dies---given how ubiquitous Billy Mays was, I thought there'd be some slipups somewhere, but I haven't seen any so far.

(This is only if they're easily identifiable in the commercial. When Phil Hartman was shot to death by his wife, I kept hearing his very recognizable voice in commercials for about six months or so after.)
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
It is very, very hard to eat marshmallows through a ski mask.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I have a balaclava I could sell you.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Maybe if you slice them first...
 
Posted by Jeff M (Member # 7828) on :
 
quote:
It is very, very hard to eat marshmallows through a ski mask.

Elementary. Just sublimate the marshmallows and inhale the yummy marshmallow vapour through the ski mask.

Done and done.

 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
You might need a straw.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Wacko Jacko is dead, the king of pop will live forever.

I wonder who the next "King" will be It went from Nat Cole to Elvis to Micheal Jackson. Personally I think there is some fairy work going on there.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Elementary. Just sublimate the marshmallows and inhale the yummy marshmallow vapour through the ski mask.

Anyone know the best way to clean gooey marshmallow vapours out of a ski mask?

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There is no future King...the industry and the media are too fragmented to allow this sort of thing to happen. A convergence of factors might bring someone into this place...but I can't predict what they would be.

*****

If you want to get marshmallow goo out of a ski mask, I'd recommend washing it.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
quote:
Anyone know the best way to clean gooey marshmallow vapours out of a ski mask?

Cut out a mouth opening, but that would have also been the easiest way to eat the marshmallows. Better late than never.



 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I was trying to explain to my 11 year old what it was like when I was her age and Michael Jackson was everything. There really hasn't been anything like that in her lifetime. The closest I could think of was Miley Cyrus.

Now that I think of it, if you look at all the industries put together, Harry Potter has been that iconic. Funny that the internet would bring readers together but split music apart.

However, Lady Gaga has that solved. You just have to hear Pokerface once and the tune will be seared into your brain and it will stay there forever.
Melanie

[This message has been edited by Unwritten (edited July 01, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There's been a fair amount of coverage on the great joy Michael Jackson brought to millions...but I don't think it excuses the great pain he brought to a certain few.
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
The man was acquitted of every crime of which he was accused.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Well what celebrity isn't?
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
check this out i thought it was funny as hell.

Winnie the Pooh meets Apocalypse Now (Apocalypse Pooh)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj_YPJvia8A

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Last I heard, Scotland has something on the menu besides "guilty" and "not guilty." "Not proven." I wish this were available in the United States, 'cause Jackson's crimes and acquittal both fall into that category.
 
Posted by Jeff M (Member # 7828) on :
 
This morning as I was leaving for work, I turned the corner and saw a heavy-set man, say late-50's, not particularly overweight and not particularly muscled, but somewhere in between. He had wavy salt-and-pepper hair and a broad nose, with rough but clean shaven skin the colour of faded leather that made him appear Greek or at least of some other Mediterranean heritage. He was wearing a light grey suit and a white shirt, open collar, no tie.

He was standing on the sidewalk talking to a hedge.

Now that's grist.


 


Posted by DWD (Member # 8649) on :
 
I should say so! The guy was clearly off his rocker.

Any sane person would know that hedges are nocturnal.

Hope he didn't rouse it--there'd be hell to pay.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yesterday, at the Barnes & Noble, I was standing in the SF section when, a row over, this woman started yelling at her kid. The kid was crying. I mean, I've heard moms yelling at their kids before, and this kid may have been been misbehaving...but, man, she used language and words I wouldn't have used to an adult. (The "F" word was prominently represented, and she said a certain backsided piece of anatomy would be hers when they got back to the car.)

I wonder right now, and may wonder for some time, whether I should have gone with my feelings and said something to her.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Tasteless Joke Warning:

What's black and white and comes in little cans?

Zombie Michael Jackson.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Robert, often when people do say something to a mother who is swearing out her crying kid, what they say is likely to make the situation worse.

I've heard that the best thing to do is approach the woman as if she is the victim, not the kid. "Can I help you? Are you all right? It's hard doing any shopping with a kid. Would you like to sit down for a minute?" And so on, because that kind of response is less likely to put her on the defensive and lead her to really take it out on the kid later.
 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
quote:
Oh, and ready yourselves for all the conspiracy-theorists who are going to say he is not really dead and this has all been staged. (We're going to hear about this for the next 40 years)

Sounds like you know something I don't. Were you actually present at his 'death'?

Hey! *calls to everyone else*

Philocinemas was actually present at Michael Jackson's death and can confirm he didn't die!

(let the chinese whispers begin!)

[This message has been edited by skadder (edited July 02, 2009).]
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I hate when people whisper, I can hear it along with the stupid little rasp, the spit pooling and slurping in their mouths. I'd rather they yell in Chinese.

I agree that saying something in the store might make things worse. Chances are the mother will feel a "see! you embarrassed me!" type of thing.

Dude I just saw a sheep on a ship shave a man hanging from from a cliff with a telescoping razor. You see the sheep had cotton in his ears and misheard "Save me!"

 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I have been on the phone waiting for tech support for 36 minutes and 11 seconds now. When I got on the phone they said the current wait time was 10 minutes. Do you think I've been put in neverland and ought to hang up and try again, or do you think I should wait it out????

37 minutes and 6 seconds now....
Melanie
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I gave up at 43 minutes and 56 seconds.

edited to say: But it was SO worth it that I get to be here on the top of page 20. Do I get a prize? Some tech support would be nice.
Melanie

[This message has been edited by Unwritten (edited July 02, 2009).]
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
I will support you in your quest for a prize for being at the top of page 20. However, someone can still edit a few of their posts and kick you off of that perch.

I lost 17 minutes of my life Tuesday calling on a customer service call. I gave up and called sales. The lady got me right in to a customer service person. Didn't know how that happened, but I'm am highly likely to use that device again.

Random: I miss my kids (who are all grown up) getting excited about the 4th of July so they can light fireworks. When I was little we got excited about cap pistols. The days of kids playing cowboy with guns and vests and cowboy hats... are they long gone?
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Actually, Unwritten, I believe you are secure in your perch - the pages are determined by the number of posts, not by their length.

No, Skadder, I wasn't there, but I did hear that the L.A. Police department was suspecting foul play. They have decided to devote extra man-hours into finding a key piece of evidence. Apparently, one of Michael's gloves was missing.

The F.B.I. has even dispatched a young top-notch female agent to the case. She intends to visit O.J. Simpson in prison and devolop a psychological profile of the possible killer.

If the glove doesn't fit...

Speaking of rumors - did anyone hear how Brittney Spears and George Clooney were falsely rumored to have died this week?
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
In order to not disrupt the Non-Random thread, I will comment on the volcano - I failed to mention they went to New Zealand first.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
You can rob a bank with a squirt gun, but it does little good in the shootout that follows.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
This morning, they were reporting that Michael Jackson will be buried in the same coffin James Brown used.

What, did they dig up James Brown just so Michael Jackson could use his coffin?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I spent part of yesterday trying to find Friday's issue of USA Today. I buy it over-the-counter, 'cause when you subscribe it comes by mail, and my mail comes too late in the day for me to get it and read it.

The first place, the supermarket I shopped at, didn't have it. The second place, a convenience store, didn't have it. The third place had the paper from the day before.

Between the second and third places, it dawned on me...maybe they're not publishing because the July Fourth holiday was the next day, that they're kicking it back a day and taking time off. Sure enough, the "day before" paper confirmed it on the front page. I hadn't noticed, and it hadn't occurred to me before that...I'm used to them doing that on Monday holidays but not this.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Happy Fourth of July
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Happy Independence Day to all US citizens!

Happy Canada Day to all you Canadians!

Happy American Rebellion Day to everyone in England!

For everyone else, enjoy the day, whether it's today or tomorrow where you live!
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
You just had to be politically correct didn't you Phil?
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Nah, just didn't want anyone to feel left out.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The Phillipines got their independence on July Fourth, but later moved it to the declaration date of Aguinaldo's republic. You see, the overseas embassies held their Independence Day coctail parties on the same day, but everybody went to the one at the US embassy...
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Happy American Rebellion Day to everyone in England!

I thought they called it Yankee Temper Tantrum Day over there?
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I think they call it "France Mind Your Own Damn Business Day."
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Oh? Are they mad because they gave us a statue for our birthday? Geez, the brits are supposed to be our friends and we don't even get a phone call.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited July 05, 2009).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Ehh. They're "Freedom Fries" now. Now, you can let the grudge go.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I gave up buying Bic pens until Sarkozy was elected...
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I have been trying to trip boxes. Anyone know how to do it?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It would have to be one of those star wars boxes that walk, then you just put out a little tripwire. I guess you could also have someone be on all fours behind one and push it. I don't know if that constitutes "tripping" though.

There's a bug on your shoe!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Today I cut the lawn!
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Did you Robert? Getting a little hairy down there, huh?


Or were you talking about the grass?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I got more than I bargained for while mowing. After weedwhacking, I was mowing the front lawn, made a left turn---these John Deere models spit grass to the left and you have to cut that way to get all the bits and pieces---anyway, when I made the left turn, the right back wheel came off.

Took me and my father (strictly speaking, mostly my father) about an hour and a half to get the wheel mechanism off, get one off an old lawnmower, and put that back on so I could carry on.

And it was thick. That's it for letting it go every two weeks---that's okay for weedwhacking but the grass is growing too much. Every week from now on, unless it's raining or the lawn is flooded...
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
My parents-in-law bought me a lawn mower, and I was supposed to receive it a month ago, around my birthday. I'm still waiting. To add frustration to annoyance, Code Enforcement sent a letter saying they're coming through my neighborhood soon. Every day, I wonder whether to continue waiting or hire a neighborhood kid to cut the lawn. The only decision I've made is to not water the lawn until I own a mower. That way, the grass might not grow tall enough to break code.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'd hire somebody, but I'm not crazy about having some stranger hanging around my house. Also I'm cheap, and if I can't do it myself, or get somebody in my family to do it, I'll let it hang loose for awhile. I can do the lawn...provided the lawn mower holds out.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Sloppy Joes on Onion Bread!
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Banquet pot pies in the microwave
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
My nine-year-old daughter broke her wrist tonight. But, she beat up a house in the process.

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited July 08, 2009).]
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I hope this thread grows so inevitably large it crashes the site or, if we're really ambitious, the whole internet.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The North Koreans were trying to do that over the July Fourth holiday.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Ahh North Koreans ... I sometimes wonder if they're more starved for attention than for food.
 
Posted by DWD (Member # 8649) on :
 
LA certainly isn't starved for attention now.

Seems nobody really considered how much the MJ memorial would cost the city ($4M). One city councilwoman says--I'm not making this up--the event should be considered a "city emergency" and thus qualifies for funding from the city's emergency budget.

There's never a drummer around when you need a rim shot.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Somebody over the past week said that LA was budgeted for four big unscheduled events this year, and that this would fall under that.

If they're that broke, I'd hate to think what they'd do if they had another earthquake...
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
When they have another earthquake...
 
Posted by DWD (Member # 8649) on :
 
It's reported they are $300M+ in the red.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Hey! Hey, you! There's nothing you can do, because the wolverine's are gonna stomp on you!

Holla!
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Of all the fish down in the sea,
I'd rather be a bass,
so I could climb up on a rock,
and slide down on my...
hands and knees.

 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Hey! Hey, you! There's nothing you can do, because the wolverine's are gonna stomp on you!

Maize and blue fan or did you just watch Red Dawn?
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
My Microsoft word programs spell check has quit working. It stopped at the word PITA. I pasted the script, saved it in a RTF file, sent it to myself, nothing works.
Blasted PITA.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
̿'\̵͇̿̿\з=(•̪● =ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited July 10, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
̿'\̵͇̿̿\з=(•̪● =ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿

"He tole it wrong...and since when do Irishmen drop their aitches?"

 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
I just got out of bed after spending 95% of the last 4 days in bed asleep and not giving a **** about work. I would go to formations then go right back home and climb back in bed. I actually answered the door when my Platoon Sergeant was knocking on it in my birthday suit today because I didn’t feel like getting dressed again. All he did was say…

“1300 Be at company, ACU’S, bring soft cap, close out formation 1600 motor pool. Don’t be late.”

Now I missed 3 hours of sleep. And cant get back asleep. Looks like I will be drinking all night to night.

RFW2nd



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
What can you say in reply to that?
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Creeping forward to the magic four digit level.

...being random with my clothes on.
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
I do that sometimes.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I'm the one thousandth poster. Good thing I stutter,eh?
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Exploit!
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Somehow I feel the sanctity of Random Musings has been violated.

Do you others feel violated?
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I feel violated. You'd better not have passed me up in my ratings with that stunt mister.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
I'm the one thousandth poster. Good thing I stutter,eh?

Not if I delete your duplicate posts.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Hmmm, if you did that, you would post 1000 Kathleen.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Now that would be ironic, wouldn't it? (If not ironic, then something.)

Edited to add: sometimes just having the power is enough. It isn't necessary to do anything more.

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited July 11, 2009).]
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
The ability to destroy planets is insignificant compared to the power of the forum mod.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So do we let this die or go for two thousand?
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Is it the record yet?
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
Sounds like sore loser talk to me...
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I like this thread, and I don't want to see it die, just because it's huge. I don't have anywhere else to go and say random things. In my world, everything I say has to mean something. This is extremely cathartic.
Melanie
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
Besides if it gets to forty pages it may cause hatrack to burst...as it won't fit on the listing page.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Your random thoughts asploded the internets?
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I just peeked over at the other forum--the one about all things OSC, and the biggest thread I saw there was 67 pages, and nothing exploded, so I think we're all safe.

So, if you could all stop worrying about the fate of the internet and get back to being random, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
Melanie
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Not that I'm comparing sizes or anything, but 67 pages. Come on! We can beat that.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
I bet Skadder could beat it in like 5 minutes.
 
Posted by DWD (Member # 8649) on :
 
My right foot is about 1/4" longer than my left foot.
 
Posted by Kaz (Member # 7968) on :
 
Compared with some of the spam threads I've seen on certain anime boards this thread is doing rather poorly. Forward, then!
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Of all the birds up in the sky
I'd rather be a duck.
So I could fly along the beach
and watch the people...
play volleyball.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The longest thread I remember from my fanfic forum days was one where we all posted parts of a lengthy poem, with lines that ended in "-ain" or some soundalike equivalent. (In those days, it was one of those fora that let you post a new title with each and every post.) I don't remember how many lines we had, but it went on for months and months---there are a lot of "-ain" words.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
I don't mind Mexican music, but I'd prefer the neighbors didn't play it from the stereo of a parked car.

On the other hand, it's easier to tolerate than the blare of passing trains.

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My neighbors set off firecrackers on the Fourth...it was easy to deal with this year, 'cause right now I get up before the sun goes down (alas!) and am up and out while it's going on.

Harder to take are his raucous New Year's parties...I've got a rare day off, and am trying to sleep at night for a refreshing change...they're yelling "Happy New Year!" at midnight and then singing on karaoke machines until four or five.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
That’s why the Gods invented the Colt .45, it fixes noisy neighbors in the blink of an eye.
I know from experience.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Jennywinnie (Member # 8510) on :
 
My infant gets the wierdest lint stuck under her neck. I hope this won't be a life long habit.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Dilbert invented a machine to turn pocket lint into a valuable parsley substitute. He could probably help.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I mowed the lawn this morning and helped install a new dishwasher this afternoon. This ate up all my free time today and I didn't get any writing done. (Laundry, either---the water was off most of the time.)
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I am going to have company for the next week, so gear up for lots of random comments from me. I'll be needing to let some pressure off so I don't explode...and I can't make the comments on facebook, for obvious reasons.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Eeks! They're early!
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
You know I think I have figured out the meaning of the life of a mortal.

The only real mission of a mortal is to reproduce and raise their young.

As for Immortals such as I we just do what we want and death matters not for we just come right back.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Sounds like you're starting to feel like your old self.
Welcome back.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Yea I quit taking those damn anti cooko pills a week ago. Most of it is leaving my system thank the Gods.

You know being in a nut house is like being trapped in the movie One Flew Over The Cooko’s Nest. I was like god old Jack, I was the most sane one there. of cores that was a month ago. Man how time flies when one is chemically Lobotomized.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
In the land of the random the shoelaced one is queen.

I've got a huge stress related cold sore that just showed up today.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I packed one box today and my one and a half year old threw about 8 temper tantrums today. 8-1, I am definetly losing.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Bad business, cold sores. People jump to the wrong conclusions.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
hay i googled my screan name andgot many hits and most of the first page was me.

you all should try googling you screan names.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i just got this in an e-mail from a friend and found it F!@#$%^ Awesome.

http://g4tv.com/videos/39887/Behind-The-Pulse-Jet-Engine/

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I really want to read the withholding vs. telling section of open discussions, but with all my company I don't have time! My dad really just needs a phone with internet access, because he wants to spend his whole day on my computer.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I do that all the time...they call it "ego-searching," I think. Apparently I've left more footprints in the sands of time than I realized.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Speaking of egos and searching...I just spent a little time trying to track down whether one Douglas Elmendorf, in the news lately as head of the Congressional Budget Office, is the Doug Elmendorf I went to school with lo! those many years ago.

Tentative maybe. I can't find age or date of birth yet (they must be around somewhere)...if the picture is any guide, it does look like the kid I remember.

Still searching for a definite maybe.

Vaguely pleased that somebody I went to school with became kinda prominent...kinda testy that it wasn't me.
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
LOL Robert.
Do you really want everyone watching you all the time and scrutinizing your every move? I am happy to live the undiscovered life. It's also another reason I would rather be an author than a movie star. Authors don't get nearly the sight recognition that actors do. I bet even OSC could go to the mall anywhere in the US and most people, even OSC fans, wouldn't recognize him.
Would you really want such a prominent position?
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
I start appearing on page 7 of Google results for "aspirit" but... sheesh, on the first page if I use a form of my real name. Interesting.
 
Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
I have decided that there has to be another form of SAD(seasonal affective disorder) but I don't know what it should be called. It's when people (like me) who like short winter days and any kind of cloudy day get depressed by hot, sunny days.

Any suggestions? Maybe SSAD (summer seasonal affective disorder)?

I am feeling quite depressed by all the heat and sunshine we're having lately (guess there's no way I could live in Australia).

 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I KNOW THAT FEELING!! When I was in Southern California, every time I saw I cloud I busted out my camera and started snapping pictures. And when it rained, I did a happy dance, then went hiking. :-)
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
I'm the same way. I noticed because I have a friend who gets super depressed in the winter, and we passed in the spring--I was going down and she was going up. It's pretty mild though. If you figure out what it's called, let me know.

[This message has been edited by Unwritten (edited July 18, 2009).]
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Winter is my faverit time of the year for many reasons, its cold, there is snow, means breeding season is around the corner, and the Full Moon is always more beauteful in the winter.

then ther is spring with all the pretty colors and pups are born in the spring and also pray is abundent and easer to catch.

then there is fall when the leaves are turning and the pups are old egnough to hunt.

the only seson i realy dont like is summer because its too damn hot. and i hate the heat. especialy here in WSMR NM.

it was 102 today.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I was hoping to at least be a professionally published writer by now...I'd settle for that level of notoriety, even now. (By the way, I'm ninety-nine percent sure it is the Doug Elmendorf I knew way back when...I haven't tracked it down, but my father tells me he spotted a place-of-birth, his-and-my-hometown, which clinches it for me.)

In a way, it's very depressing. Here he made something of his life, and now moves among and talks with the powerful and the rich and the intelligent...last night at work I got stuck with a partner who can't handle a simple job but yet can thoroughly disrupt my handling of my job.

(Actually, Doug Elmendorf was one smart cookie even back when I knew him. I'm not surprised he went on to the Ivy League and the Congressional Budget Office. And I don't think I could have done that if I'd'a gone to Harvard.)
 


Posted by mikemunsil (Member # 2109) on :
 
Not impressed at the energy going into this topic. In fact, it's fairly lame. So, why am I adding to it?

Dunno.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Mike, how about you add more energy?

Corky and others, it's often called summer-onset SAD, compared to winter-onset SAD. I thought I had it, before realizing the irritability and lethargy I feel in summer also occurs in other seasons if my body temperature is too high.
 


Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
Well, aspirit, my body temperature, at least on the outside, is certainly high enough. I have to keep washing my face because the sweat dripping into my eyes stings like crazy.

Anyway, it certainly is heat related. I don't want to do anything. I want to quit my job and everything else I'm supposed to be doing. I just want to curl up in the darkest part of my basement and hide. Yuck!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, more than a thousand posts in, and the energy is bound to flag somewhat...
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Maybe our poor thread has summer-onset SAD...
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Heat tends to hit me like a hammer between the eyes. Sometimes I can't do anything but sit there stunned, and when I'm out in it I feel like it's ten times as hard to concentrate on even simple tasks.

I used to think I was just naturally a night owl, but maybe I've just been avoiding the heat all this time.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
quote:
Maybe our poor thread has summer-onset SAD...

I laughed so hard I think I scared my cat.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Why does red ink bleed more than black and blue inks?
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
It knows you're wearing blue jeans and a black t shirt.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I know I get Summer SAD, too much heat gives me a lethargy only snow can cure. That is why I am sitting in the freezer.

If you think you can get blue-bloods to bleed you've got another thing coming. But what does black-blood mean? I want green blood.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
One man's junk is another man's treasure.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Cockroach blood is colorless unless the cockroach is a female producing eggs. So if you see orange blood among broken bits...
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Hmm I never noticed that about cockroaches. And I've killed my fair share of them in my apartment in Salt Lake.

Thank goodness I'm out of that dump. Crossing my fingers the little buggers didn't tag along when I left.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
As was said in Married With Children, the cockroach was here long before us and will be here long after us.

Why? Because they eat crap.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ever have one of those days? I got into an argument at work this morning, and was so angry I was ready to quit. Over what? Being told to do two things that contradicted each other, and then being threatened when I did one thing.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
We bought my mom the Sims3 for her birthday. It is way too easy for sims to publish and get lots of royalties. I am jealous of sims - how sad is that? :-)
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
LOL - Kitti that made me laugh.

No one is allowed to complain of heat if they live in Utah or anywhere where it acctually snows in the winter. When I open my door to go outside it feels the same as opening the oven door after it's been preheated. There was a two year old that fell on a metal grate while walking and got second degree burns. I wish I could just stay inside until the end of September.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
A decade ago...We were in Utah when my 11 month old daughter stood on a metal grate and had to be rushed to the hospital with second degree burns on her feet. We were on our way to Yellowstone, and had stopped for lunch in Logan, Utah. It didn't slow her down though. She tottered around Yellowstone in bandaged feet.

It was 111 in St. George, Utah yesterday. I don't care where you live. That's hot.

It was only 80 here though. If it wasn't for the bugs, I might consider that heaven.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Here in southwest Florida, the claim is that summer is the best eleven months of the year. The temperature runs between eight-five and ninety-five Fahrenheit, but never much above or much below. (I stay inside and run the air conditioner...my electric bill rises accordingly during summer months.)
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
It was 111 in St. George, Utah yesterday. I don't care where you live. That's hot.

When it's 111 in St. George it's still only 75 in Michigan

[This message has been edited by Zero (edited July 21, 2009).]
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I lived in Texas for a while, after growing up in Utah, and I could not believe the humidity. When we moved to West Virginia for a while after that, it really was "almost heaven."

But my idea of heaven has to be the Oregon Coast--I don't enjoy the sun much at all and prefer overcast skies and cool humidity.
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
I have to agree about humidity. My family used to go on road trips back east for a month out of every summer. We'd go from 100 degrees in Utah to the low nineties in some place like Missouri and the humidity combined with heat made it much more miserable.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
When I find a cockroach in my house I pore lighter fluid on it and set it on fire and watch it run around on fire until it pops. It is the funniest thing.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
PS: I do the same thing with mice in my house.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I should not have read that before dinner...
:-P
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Some times I crucify them alive and put them in my back yard as a warning to other mice. ROME IS BACK.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
RFW2nd, I hope you don't have carpet.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
When everyone else was having ice cream, my niece asked for rice pudding. I told her if she had rice pudding she couldn't have ice cream, and she said that was cool. As soon as she finished her rice pudding she asked for ice cream and I said no. Duh.

So later that night I go tuck the rest of the kids in bed, and I come out and her dad is fixing her a big bowl of ice cream. And yes, he was here for the conversation, and yes, this is my house.

And yes--it is definately time for everyone to go home.
Melanie
 


Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
One of the worst things about humidity, especially when you're travelling, is that when you take a shower (at the KOA or whatever) and hang the towels up to dry overnight, they are wetter in the morning than they were the night before.
 
Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
But Unwritten, was it your ice cream?


 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

Central Maryland / northern Virginia humidity sucks. You should not need to take a shower ten seconds after you get out of the shower.

S!
S!

 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Yuck, humidity sounds horrid. In AZ if you want your stuff to dry faster than the dryer then just hang it outside for a half hour in the sun. I hate July. The whole month blisters at 117 and the pool water doesn't help cause it feels like bath water. All you can do is stay inside and pray your ac doesn't go out.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Yep, it was my ice cream. :P

But after I wrote that post, her dad and I had a nice long talk, and it reminded me that in the vast scheme of things, ice cream is not that big of a deal. She's a super troubled girl, and he's done wonders with her since he took over raising her. It's easier to remember that when she's asleep though.
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
If your ship comes in but the cargo is all chewed on by rats, does that count as a good thing?
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

quote:
If your ship comes in but the cargo is all chewed on by rats, does that count as a good thing?

What about if you see your ship coming in, but you can also see the rats jumping overboard?

S!
S!

 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
No, unfortunately the rats require a court order and several months of legal hassle to get them off the boat .
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Only if you don't know the secret - one good Kitti will get rid of all your rats for you faster than you can say, "What form was it I needed again?"
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Carpet? What’s that?

Quote… If your ship comes in but the cargo is all chewed on by rats, does that count as a good thing?...end quote

Well if I were you I would crucify them, and display their crucified bodies on deck as a warning to other rats… STAY AWAY FROM MY CARGO.

I hate the heat here at White Sands Missile Range. Its been in the 100’s and has 18% humidity and my AC keeps acting up. I cant wait to get out of the Army and move some were cold.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I knew a family who didn't have sweat glands, they spent summer under the house.

You want hot? Actual quote from the news. "Well folks it snowed yesterday and it's going to hit 100 tomorrow . . . welcome to Utah." That's the trouble, it gets cold and then right away it gets hot so your frain bries before you can acclimatize.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
This has been the coldest summer I have ever lived through. I would actually enjoy it if the bugs weren't so thrilled about it. Tomorrow it is only supposed to be 63 degrees. In July! I keep wondering if this is what it would be like in Great Britain. Is it buggy there?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Cold summers, huh? Where's that global warming when it matters?
 
Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
I actually heard this morning that, if the temperature doesn't hit 90 in the next 8 days (here in Louisville, KY), that it will be the first July on record that we didn't have a day over 90 degrees! We actually set a record-low high temperature last week of 70 degrees. I love global warming!
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Global warming is no laughing matter.

*I'm being facetious.

~Sheena
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Guys haven't you heard? The global warming nuts are calling it "global climate change" since the evidence overwhelmingly supports a cooling trend.

We should all be terrified that the temperature on the planet doesn't stay constant, is basically what they're trying to tell us.
 


Posted by CABaize (Member # 8032) on :
 
Heaven forbid that a planet should have patterns that take longer than our five-minute attention spans to change! I mean...
Ooh! Something shiny!
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
A shiny thing were? I don't see it.

Rfw2nd

[This message has been edited by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (edited July 23, 2009).]
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Didn't you see "The Day After Tomorrow?" Planetary cooling is exactly what we would expect as a result of global warming. We could be fine today and then tomorrow, guess what...we're in the middle of a new ice age. I mean, people froze to death the second they stuck there faces outside. Global warming literally chased Jake Gyllenhall down a hallway. Damn near caught him, too.

Best line of the movie: "You can't go outside; the temperature is dropping 10 degrees every second." Which by my estimation means the temperature outside was -5,000 degrees by the end of the movie.

A brilliant example of how you should not do science fiction. And don't pretend that your shamefully ridiculous and inaccurate science fiction is science fact.

And for the love of Pete, do NOT get your story ideas from Al Gore.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I don't know; it kind of felt like -5000 degrees by the end of the movie.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
LOL global warming did chase him down the hallway! You have to watch that movie like it's fantasy and then it's great. I loved the tornados taking out the buildings.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Not one person is going call Natej11 on his "global warming nuts" comment? I think that is very interesting.

I suppose if the planet heated up and all the glaciers melted it might precipitate weather like I've been experiencing. I don't think it's rained this much since the time of Noah. Thank goodness I live on the top of a hill. Of course, people in Noah's time were probably thinking the same thing.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So the argument for global warming goes like this: (1) If it's warmer, it's evidence that global warming is happening. (2) But if it's cooler, it's also evidence that global warming is happening.

I suppose that (3) if the temperature stays the same, it's also evidence of global warming.

(You see why I can't take it seriously.)
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Don't forget 4] No matter what happens, it's the fault of humans and within a few years it's going to kill us all.

Read Michael Crichton's book "State of Fear". Or for that matter read what Orson Scott Card has to say on the subject. I assume most of us here have a decent respect for his opinions and knowledge.

[This message has been edited by Natej11 (edited July 24, 2009).]
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
There is no such thing as global warming Chuck Norris got cold and turned the sun up.
We just have to wait till he gets too hot and turns the sun back down.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
Not one person is going call Natej11 on his "global warming nuts" comment? I think that is very interesting.

Well, I thought about doing that, but this is the random musings topic, after all, and as long as he doesn't get any closer to politics than that, I think I can allow it. Especially if other people respond calmly to such comments.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
In the spirit of randomness...

As I prepare for the forthcoming one-year anniversary of my breaking my ribs by coughing too much (stop laughing), I have acquired yet another persistent and bizarrely sourceless cough.

Whoopee.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Hay Natej11 you don’t want to go into Politics here. Trust me I know from experience. I almost got the boot. Then I saw the light and stopped caring about politics and became blind to them. Except for the InarticulateBabbler for president 2008 last year. That was the only tolerated politics I remember.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, the global warming scam is politics---a core group wanting to get their hands on the reins of power, followed by a large band of useful idiots who support them and do their bidding. The goal isn't the end---stopping global warming---but the means---getting power.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Hey, hey, lets not get political. We aren't here to argue about conspiracies, we're here to make fun of them.

 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
If it's politics, please don't discuss it, even here.

Thanks.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Well I voted for IB and he still hasn't bought me a Benltey!

Burn Global Warming, I want to talk about cake or something light and fluffy possibly chocolate flavored on it that I can eat and will make me happy. Actually I like my cake rather heavy, and I like to eat the frosting last, I dig from the bottom.

Tien doje klemine opa defrentied colop breil estoc.

Set decoder rings to Defenestration.
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Call me strange, but I don't even like the frosting. I eat the cake and throw the frosting out. Especially if it's a store bought cake.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I bet cake somehow contributes to global warming.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
As this is a forum and cake is being discussed, I feel it my duty to say:

pie > cake.
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Natej11, I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but what you said is really stupid. Clearly, cake is better than pie.

I mean, sure by some convoluted comparison, pie might win. If you take stawberry-rhubarb pie (delicious) and compare it with funfetti cake (not that great), then of course the pie wins. But there is no pie that can even come close to beating chocolate cake (except maybe banana cream pie, but that just comes close, then fails miserably).

So, in conclusion, I have proven that cake is better.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I have to agree with Natej11 on this one - pie comes in more variations than cake and, in my opinion, has more flavor. Cake is basically one of only a few flavors of bread enhanced with different types of icing. Pie clearly wins in diversity and mixes better with ice cream.
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Would cheesecake be considered a cake or a pie? Or both?

I have decided that since cheesecake is both a cake and a pie, it is therefore better than any cake or pie.

Cheesecake wins, hands down.

 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Yes, cheesecake rules. However cake, on a whole, is better than pie. It takes whipcream to improve a pie, no such sweeting additions are necessary for cake.

Unless you count Ice Cream, but ice cream makes pie better to, so that is a wash.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I find it interesting that no one seems to have mentioned the difficulty of making a cake vs. a pie yet. Also, there is the age-old question of whether it's more yummy to lick the batter off your beaters, or eat the bits of dough after you've shaped your pie crust.

These are very important things that must be taken into account, during any discussion of cake vs. pie.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Quote….Call me strange, but I don't even like the frosting. I eat the cake and throw the frosting out. Especially if it's a store bought cake….end quote

A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch!
We have found a witch, might we burn her?
Burn her! Burn!

In my opinion the frosting is the best part, even though it gives me a bad sugar high and headache. That’s is just the fun of cakes.

As to what is better cake or pie, I don’t think it maters. I am 50.50 on it even though I think the GODS eat pie for every meal, and cake for desert, then chase it down with a large glass of human blood.

Anyway I thought of the funniest thing, I should show up to battalion formation wearing Roman armor. Here is the link.

http://www.armorvenue.com/roman-armor/roman-trooper-costume/


RFW2nd

 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

Normally, I would say that cake wins, but we must consider that one of my favorite foods, pizza, is technically a pie.

S!
S!

 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I just came from my mother-in-law's birthday party where we had a shockingly delicious cheesecake. I don't know if it counts as cake or pie either (although cake is in the name, which is at the very least strong evidence in that direction), but whichever one it is, that one wins. This cheesecake...holy crap. Delicious. I was literally shocked by the good taste.

Jerry's Cheesecake. If you're ever in the Cincinnatti area, look it up.
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Ah ha! Wetwilly, who's stupid now? Cheesecake may have cake in the name, yet it is a pie crust full of cream cheese topped with fruit. All elements of pie.

Therefore pizza pie + cheesepie + pie pie = cake loses.

Also you're a doodoo head.
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I humbly admit my defeat. You're a hearty foe well met, Natej11. You have destroyed my honor and the honor of my family name. I bow to your superior intellect and your dedication to truth and right.

I should warn you, I've seen movies and read books before, and these sort of things usually end up with one of my offspring tracking you down to seek vengeance. I currently only have one daughter, and she is not yet 1, so you have a while, but be warned.

Wait...is it possible that cheesecake defeats all challengers because it is a hybrid of pie and cake? Like the daywalker of confectionaries?
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
Hi, my name is BenM and I live in a country where eating meat pies is a national pastime.

So far the pathetic attempts by culinary artists to counter this monopoly with the advent of a "meat cake" have been full of fail. For the average red blooded Aussie (both blokes & sheilas) this makes the whole argument a bit of a moot point.


 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
No worries mate, (I think that is how its said, haven’t been to Australia this life time …yet.)

I think meat pies is one of the best inventions humans ever came up with. One question though.

Have you ever tried human pie? It is rather delicious, man in 3 months and 4 days it will be 5 years since I last ate human.

And I take it no one liked the roman armor to a battalion formation idea.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
PS: I am suffering from insomnia I haven’t slept in 2.5 days and cant for some reason even though I have taken my sleeping pills.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Meat pies are yet another addition to the pies are great front. Cake is losing ground!

Also I've found that second generation revenge usually ends up with the young person finding that the old person is so old and tired and haunted by guilt that they pity them rather than killing them. Then the old person shows an unexpected cruel streak and does something underhanded that almost wins him the victory, but his own evil backfires and hits him by mistake.

Oh noes! I'm doomed to fail!
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Nate,

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor? The principle is simple, if there are competing explanations for something the simpler one (the one that requires the shortest/easiest chain of events to have happen) is the more likely to be correct.

If the Bush Administration can kill 3,000 Americans and keep it hush hush why couldn't Nixon keep the lid on Watergate? The chain of events required to pull that off, the people who'd need to be extorted, the people who'd need to be manipulated and killed, the massive teams of people involved in pulling off something of this scale ... I'm thinking the odds of it falling apart are pretty incredibly high.

From the view of a mathematician, if you're intent on believing 9/11 wasn't caused by terrorists, then you're better off going with aliens than "the government", in terms of probability.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
1) Mathematicians once said the flight of a bee is impossible.

2) Now I live in fear that my husband will learn of meat cakes and make one for a party. *shudders*

3) Wolf, if you showed up in Roman armor, wouldn't you be ordered to spend more time with a shrink? It looks like a good price for the package, though...
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
No one has yet mentioned mousse or bread pudding. Both far surpass cake and pie (provided no raisins are involved; they ruin everything). Cake with a middle layer of mousse is way better than any ordinary cake. Warm bread pudding from Golden Corral is so good I feel happy and relaxed just thinking about it. Ahh...

Edited to add that rice pudding can hold its own, and tapioca should not be left out of the running. But then I remembered that pie can come in the most mouth-watering (ew!) shades of Pecan carmelization, and the jury is still out.

[This message has been edited by MrsBrown (edited July 27, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I don't like pies so I don't bake any. Lately I've grown fond of the cake recipe on the back of the mayonnaise jar...it makes a really moist cake that keeps really well, and if I use a bundt cake pan and some green dye I get a nice Christmas-wreath-kind-of cake.

*****

On conspiracies in general, and I'm trying not to be political here...I'm going to recommend a book, Camelot and the Cultural Revolution, by James Piereson, which, for me, really blew the lid off of why one conspiracy theory in particular gained such traction...
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
1) Mathematicians once said the flight of a bee is impossible.

Don't confuse physics with statistics.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
When did I ever say it was the government?

All I did was present information that the official report was flawed. I pointed no fingers and made no conclusions.

But as to Watergate, how about Iran/Contra? Right before a presidential election Reagan, then a candidate trying to dislodge a democratic incumbent, made a deal with Iran to hold onto their hostages until after the election, making his opponent look bad, with the promise that he'd sell them guns afterwards and they'd release the hostages. Then he gave that gun money to a bunch of extremists in South America to stage their little revolution.

People in power knew what he was doing. Nobody cared. Republicans still call him the greatest president of all time.

Meanwhile Clinton gets a BJ in the Oval Office and gets stomped on by the media. Different things generate different media responses, and comparing one to the other is useless.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Maybe, but it will be a good laugh. And I think that my shrink will find it funny. Plus 869.00 is what I got back from taxes.

According to the republican book of prophecies we should be close to the second coming of Reagan.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Natej11, I wouldn't exactly call Carter an incumbent - Mickey Mouse could have ran against him and won.
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
I would vote for "Double M". I've always supported the little man. Besides, hearing the State of the Union in his squeaky voice would be pure win.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Isn't meat loaf a kind of cake made out of meat?

 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Why are you all still talking about politicians?

I think meat loaf is more a kind of bread made out of meat.

Desserts I love: dark chocolate cake, dark chocolate cheesecake, dark chocolate bread pudding, dark chocolate mousse, dark chocolate cream pie, dark chocolate.

I also love lemon and/or raspberry versions of some of the above.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Sorry, Zero. I did confuse physicists, who use math, for mathematicians. Anyway, some articles on the 'Net blame an entomologist for concluding bee flight as mathematically impossible.

What's the difference between cake and sugared bread?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, Democrats are always looking for the fourth coming of Kennedy. (Carter #2, Clinton #3, Obama being a work in progress.)
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Kathleen, I am a mom, so I feel your pain. I'm not She Who Must Be Obeyed though. I'm She Who Must Be Ignored Until She Screams.
 
Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
quote:
What's the difference between cake and sugared bread?

No matter how sweet you are, you can't deposit cake at the bank?
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
Sorry, Zero. I did confuse physicists, who use math, for mathematicians.

That's as silly as saying print journalists are authors because they, like authors, use words and write them down.

The distinction between physics and statistics here is important because I'm not talking about models of physics, I'm talking about models of statistics. And the math is different.

Nate,

I guess I misunderstood you, most people who doubt the official 9/11 report blame the government for causing it. Since somebody caused it, and you seem to think it wasn't the terrorists and huge airplanes, then whom do you blame? If not the government.

As for Iran-Contra, I think that strengthens my argument that covering up something as big as 9/11 is not possible since the Iran-Contra affair, which was smaller, was still ultimately exposed in the Reagan presidency.

[This message has been edited by Zero (edited July 28, 2009).]
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I like ice cream.
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
This is reqarding the 9/11 World Trade towers collapsing, but it is not political in nature
I talked to an architect (construction engineer) (talked to = lectured at for a very long time) who explained to me the reason that the towers collapsed is becuase of the shoddy workmanship and lax regulations regarding construction these days. (I am paraphrasing) They said if the World Trade Towers had been built to standards of the old days (using the Empire State Building as an example) the towers would not have collapsed.
I don't know for myself not being an architect or construction engineer but it sounded like a plausible alternative to the explosives conspiracy.

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Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Oh, yeah, dark chocolate ice cream, too. And dark chocolate ice cream with dark chocolate chips in it.

Unwritten, isn't that the case with all mothers? (Though the thought of being "mother" to this bunch is a little off-putting, come to think of it.)
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
How about pineapple upside down cake?
It's supper yummy and it's good for you!
Pineapples are fruit, fruit = good for you, pineaplle upsidedown cake = good for you!

Yummy! :: looks around:: now I want a piece...
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
jayazman, before anyone else pounces on you (and since I happen to be around at the moment), you should know that the Sears Tower (by which name it is no longer called) is in Chicago, and the 9/11 attacks brought down the two World Trade Towers in New York City.

edited to add: If you would like a piece (or the whole thing) of any dessert, please feel free to go to the "magic fridge" in the Hatrack treehouse kitchen, and you will find it there. Of course, it's virtual dessert, but it's less fattening that way.

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited July 28, 2009).]
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
:: mumble mumble ::
The best thing about virtual desserts is you can have them however you like them. I like my pineapple upsidedown cake with maraschino cherries in the middle of each pineapple circle.
More fruit = even better for you!

I can feel myself getting healthier as I eat it...

(Thanks for the correction, I don't know why I was thinking of the Sears Towers... stupid Sears commercials...)
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Two points for cake are lemon and blueberry pudding cake. I could eat an entire one and still want more!

But to go on a tangent, why has nobody mentioned cookies? I humbly submit that there is nothing in this world better than chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven, and I'll accept whatever persecution comes from this stand.

@Zero. Whodunit? There are plenty of ideas, but the main point is that a lot of people are calling for another investigation, this time one that responsibly examines the evidence and searches for suspects instead of sweeping everything under the rug with flimsy excuses. On 9/11 they were pointing fingers at Al Qaeda almost immediately afterwards. How did they pull that name out of their hats, and why were they so certain of it when they presented no evidence? One of the first things police do in investigating a crime is to search for who benefited from it. Plenty of people benefited from 9/11, making millions and even billions of dollars from it.

But that's another tangent, and I agree with KDW. Writer's forum, no more posts on politics.

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Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
I humbly submit that there is nothing in this world better than chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven

I second that.

quote:
But that's another tangent, and I agree with KDW. Writer's forum, no more posts on politics

I always get a kick out of it when someone says something like this right after having the last word. Cut and run.

"I get shotgun, no battle!"

Classy...
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Zero - wow, I haven't thought about shotgun arguments in ages! I'm so going to have to work that into one of my WIPs now.

Of course, it gets a little hard to have a proper shotgun battle when you're in a state where children 12 and under must sit in the backseat (and children age 8 - yes 8! - and under must be in a special car seat and/or booster seat). Maybe I'll set the story in the 1950s or something.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
WOW ... by being "in a state" I must assume you mean "a state of insanity" and not an actual political state, because that's just crazy!
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Of course. Only a fool lets someone else have the last word. You're just jealous I thought of it first! Bahahahahah VICTORY IS MINE.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I still get shotgun, though.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Shotgun...eww, messy...
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
My friend always calls shotgun right out the door. I'm used to sitting in back giving shoulder rubs.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Man, you really got the raw end of the deal.
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
I'll never forget one winter break when I came home from college and decided to go somewhere with my younger brother and one of his friends. We were headed to my brother's car when the friend shouted, "Shotgun!" To which my brother replied, "Shotgun rule!" I, of course, was completely mystified, especially as the friend's jaw just about hit the ground: "The shotgun rule applies to SISTERS?"

Apparently my brother and his friends had instituted a rule that said the chick always gets shotgun. I sure raised that boy right! :-)
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
You know I discovered the most delicious thing last night.

Ice Cream mixed with Baileys. Desert of the GODS.

May I get the .50, if Zero gets the shotgun?

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Punchbuggy!
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Old or new punchbuggy?
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Tie dye punchbuggy filled with throw backs from the 60’s.

BOOM no more tie dye punchbuggy.

Rommel Fenrir Wolf II professional hippy exterminator


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Okay, play the licence plate game instead...
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
May I get the .50, if Zero gets the shotgun?

You may.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I'm still waiting for the fourth coming of Hulk Hogan.

(Hulk Hogan, The Rock, John Cena, Santino Morella?)

~Sheena

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Blue punchbuggy!
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Whenever he feels like it, my husband calls, "Camo punchbuggy!". You know, the bug is invisible.

quote:
That's as silly as saying print journalists are authors because they, like authors, use words and write them down.

I know print journalists who consider themselves authors because of their articles. Some people believe "author" is a published writer, not a novelist or short fiction writer.

Shooting in another direction... my push mower arrived, and I think I figured out how to use it.

But why is it cold? It's 69 degrees here. My body expects summer heat, so I'm actually shivering.
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
How dare you complain about perfect weather! I will...I will...

*sigh* I will go out into this 100 degree heat and get to work .
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
I know print journalists who consider themselves authors because of their articles. Some people believe "author" is a published writer, not a novelist or short fiction writer.

Fine, I'll ammend my statement.

That's as silly as saying print journalists are novelists because they, like novelists, use words and write them down.

My point is still the same.

The math in Stats does not equal the math in Physics. Ergo a physicist is not a statistician and vice versa.

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Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
As to the Math: They are all mathmaticians regardless of what subset of math they use. (I have no idea if this has any bearing on your argument since I haven't been paying close enough attention, I just wanted to sound smart.)

As to Cake: I've been really feeling the itch lately to making a boston cream pie which is a cake. By the way cake wins because I don't much care for pies.

As to Pie: I LOVE Pushing Daisies, and I so wish it could come back. But now it has become a logistic impossibility. If you have seen the show at all you know what this has to do with pie. I just don't like most crusts, they are just too crusty. Yes pie is more versatile, but cake rules the universe.

As to Cheesecake: I agree this is a pie, a smashing good one. I don't know if I should share this but my brother is developing a smore cheesecake. Graham cracker crust, marshmallow cheesecake middle, chocolate shell topping. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

As to Ice cream: I'd say if pie needs Ice cream to be good then that is a mark against it. My favorite flavor is Chocolate Midnight Madness, semi-liquid nirvanna.

As to Politics: Mistakes were made, the important thing is to look to the future. "Forward not backwards, backwards not sideways and always twirling twirling to the future." Paid for by the elect Kang the destroyer, not Kodos, his sister as your president campaign!

As to me: I feel like I am being squished in a tube of toothpaste, which reminds me: have any of you seen WordGirl?
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Pyre, you're right on the math bit. Anyway, I'd never mentioned stats. If Sainte-Lague used stats in his calculations to determine the possibility of bee flight, he was weirder than people let on. I'd figured whoever made the claim that bee flight is mathematically impossible used fluid dynamics in their calculations. Is that sub-set of math too young?

Has anyone else noticed how widely tiramisu recipes differ? I can't figure out if it's supposed to be a cake, a dessert cream, or something as unclassifiable as cheesecake.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I use "writer" 'cause "author" sounds pompous...
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
(I have no idea if this has any bearing on your argument since I haven't been paying close enough attention, I just wanted to sound smart.)

It doesn't. I said that occam's razor implies (strongly) that most large conspiracies are improbable to the point of impossible, the unlikeliness increases the more conditions have to be satisfied for the hypothesis to work. According to the principles of statistics and related mathematical models.

The other guy/girl said that mathematicians can't explain the flight of the bee. What he/she is talking about is true, but a subject of physics and has absolutley no bearing on the statistics models I was refering to. In effect, it's completely irrelevant. Which is what I've been saying this whole time.

Just because both physicists and statisticians use math as a primary tool doesn't make them the same exact thing. Hence my analogy of the novelists etc.
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Occam's Razor is all well and good.

Say you find a dead guy on the street. Who killed him? Well, according to our friend Occam it's that guy coming round the corner on his way home from the mall, because that's a simple explanation.

The simplest explanation is good up to a point, but a lot of bad police work is based on the "simplest" explanation.

Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack, and saying something's unlikely therefore it can't be true is just lazy thinking.

That said, conspiracies are devilish hard to hide. So you either have to have a wide network of power and a complacent populace lulled by a controlled media, or you'd better have the cloak and dagger stuff down pat.

Hope that wasn't too political.
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
I suspect some of you are mischievous meddlers, attempting to elicit a response and incite debate just for the fun of it.

[This message has been edited by MrsBrown (edited July 31, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
This is news?
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
You found me out!

Crap, I thought I was doing a good job hiding under my bridge.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Hey, here's my conspiracy theory - somebody in the government planted bombs in all the elevators without detonators in them. Then they used 9 known terrorists, who they hired many months in advance at a camp in Afghanistan during a tour of that country, to fly planes into the buildings in order to detonate the bombs. However, the heat from the hundreds of gallons of burning jet fuel was insufficient to detonate the bombs. So they found about 500 kamikazi firemen, who were willing to widow their spouses with very young children, to climb to the top of the buildings to detonate the bombs by hand.

Give me a break! - and Occam's name was really Ahcmed...
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Pardon me for saying so, philo, but I strongly resent your post. To suggest that by questioning the official story I'm denigrating the sacrifice of the firefighters and policemen who died in the 9/11 attacks goes beyond debate into personal attack, and to put it frankly it's hitting below the belt.

The firefighters, rescue workers, and policemen who went into the two towers did so to save lives. They are heroes, and will be immortalized as such. The specifics behind that tragedy in no way lessen that heroism.

The argument you used is the common bludgeon of people who support the war in Iraq as well; namely that by even speaking against it we're doing something wrong. Unpatriotic, disloyal, unheard of.

Your argument, unfortunately, is one I see all too often in the media, on the internet, and in conversations. When you don't have facts or truth on your side the only thing you can resort to is personal attacks and mudslinging.

[This message has been edited by Natej11 (edited July 31, 2009).]
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
First of all, Natej11, this was not a personal attack against you. I didn't even remember who started this whole 911 conspiracy section of the thread.

Second of all, I was not accusing anyone of "denigrating" the sacrifice of police and firefighters. It was intended as sarcasm only, to represent what I saw as the preposterousness of MY argument.

Third, and finally, I do not understand how anyone could believe bombs brought down the buildings, while tons of jet fuel burned around them for about an hour.

This is my opinion on the matter, and I am only speaking for myself. Consider it A Modest Proposal. I apologize for offending you.
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
It's a naturally touchy subject, considering that one of the first things "9/11 Truthers" are hit with is that what they're suggesting makes mockery of the tragedies of that day. *The more you know*

I didn't need to reply that heatedly, and I realized after I wrote my post that your own post wasn't directed at me. No hard feelings on either side I hope <3.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Sure thing - I'm sorry you took it personally.

We could make this "a learning moment", but I don't drink beer.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Hatrack Brew: tastes like anything you want and doesn't cause intoxication! Available in the undersea and space observatories, as well as the treehouse! Great for bonding.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Yea I get the .50. Zero you made my day.

I learned yesterday that the army has invented a safety for the M2 .50. funny story, I was helping some dumb Privets put their .50 back together, after I reassembled the bolt, and bolt carrier, I inserted them into the receiver and put the back plate on. I charged the .50 to function check it. I squeezed the butterfly trigger and nothing happened, I tried again and nothing happened. Frustrated I took the whole thing apart and put it back together, only to find that nothing was wrong. After 2 more failed attempts to get the .50 to function check SFC Como said “is the safety on?” I replied “The .50 dose not have a safety unless you consider a spent brass round shoved between the trigger a safety.”
He responded with “It dose now.” and flicked a safety lever located right under the butterfly trigger.

That safety takes all the fun out of the M2 .50 Cal I liked it when it never had one and was very dangerous and can fire with the slightest bump. Ah the good old days.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
On conspiracies (not conspiracy theories)...the rule of thumb is that in any conspiracy that has more than three particpants, at least one is a police spy.

On conspiracy theories...most involve far too many people to make them work, or even to keep them secret...
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Also speaking of conspiracies...

I was out taking pictures of a yacht race last night. Right as the press boat pulls up along side this one, beautiful boat... their sail rips and goes flying. Then their replacement sail gets jammed. They're dead in the water, scrambling to get back underway, with about a dozen photographers (mostly from national papers) going snap-crazy right next to them.

It was clearly a vile conspiracy. I'm not sure who's behind it yet, but I'm sure I'll figure out and then it'll make a great story :-D
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
Occam's Razor is all well and good.

Say you find a dead guy on the street. Who killed him? Well, according to our friend Occam it's that guy coming round the corner on his way home from the mall, because that's a simple explanation.



No the implication would fall on whomever has the shortest path to motive, means, and opportunity. The guy coming around the corner probably doesn't have motive or opportunity since he had no reason to kill the victim (most likely) and since he's just getting there, so he missed the murder event outright.

Occam's Razor isn't about making stupid conclusions, it's about making informed conclusions within acceptable parameters for plausibility.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
THe conspericy is nothing but the lizard people who are ruling, our world as we preveusly figured out. And the hat rack elections last November.

as for the dead body the lizard peaople are most likly behind it, becasue the victome had discovered them.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The BoyScouts remove the safeties from their guns (or buy models without them) because there was too many accidents for which the answer was "I thought the safety was on." Now when accidents happen the excuse is "I thought it wasn't loaded." I propose that every gun should have this engraved on it, it's my mantra with guns . . . "Every gun is ALWAYS loaded." I'm not much of a shotgun man, I use a .22 for target shooting. If something big is going down (like zombie invasion) I'd go for a soviet ZMG. I'd call him Ziggy.

Frankly the Lizard people do a better job than humans ever did.

When I was younger, whenever we farted another person would call "Doornob" and they could hit that person until the farter touched a doornob. One time, during the winter, I farted and my brother called "Propane Tank." Good times.


 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Speaking of lizard people - I'm really looking forward to the revamped version of V coming out this fall.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Didn't think V was particularly good when I saw part of it way back when...possibly this'll be better, 'cause the underlying story seemed interesting. (I did enjoy the Arthur C. Clarke-ish imagery of giant flying saucers hovering over cities...)
 
Posted by drake the thall (Member # 8042) on :
 
There is always that one creep who believes in every conspiracy theory he hears. He has been hired by the government to create conspiracy theories and hide the truth.
 
Posted by drake the thall (Member # 8042) on :
 
speaking of conspiracy theories...

nope, I got nothin that hasnt been posted already.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
My zombie action plain involves nuclear weapons and carpet bombing the plaint from orbit. Then repopulating it with werewolves. The world would be a much better place.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
If you kill a werewolf and skin his hide and mount it on the wall, does the hide become a human one once the full moon is over?
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Well that depends on the class of the Werewolf, its age and if it decided to take that form indefinitely.
Also its damn near impossible to kill 1st or 2nd class immortals, 3rd classes such as I we are easily killed.

So the answer is maybe.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So even among immortal werewolves, some are better than others...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
There is always a bigger fish.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Maybe there's a conspiracy among the werewolf elite to keep the lesser class of werewolves down...
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
I thought I had explained the conspiracy already. The 1st class immortals are becoming few, and 2nd classes are about the same, 3rd classes such as I technically never truly die. When we do die we are reborn identical to how we were when we were first turned. We are only dead for 24 hours then start life all over again with memories returning around puberty. Now what if there were no humans left for 3rd classes to be reborn? Well there will still be some werewolves, there is also wolves (yes some how there is a way, but hasten been used since Romulus and Remus no they were not technically offspring of Rhea Silvia and Mars.)


And now you know.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Most of the time people fear what they don't understand. Then when they finally and fully understand they find out that they should have been terrified.


 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
So close to post 1200.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
It's been awhile since I have 'gristed' so I take pride in post 1200.

Randomness releases the bladder of tension.
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Please do not release your bladder here, Owasm.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
The purple pig is staring at me. He's perched between The Aquitaine Progression and A History of Russia!
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
quote:
Please do not release your bladder here, Owasm.

Considering the dual meaning of your username, have you considered the irony of your request?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I had to release bladder and bowels both on Wednesday...I've been sick for the past two days.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Welcome back IB!

My husband's hp planner thing keeps beeping at me, and I can't figure out how to turn it off. At least I finally figured out was making that noise.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Yay hurray this weekend will be in the 100's! I hope the blistering heat stays at bay for a while.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Thanks, Unwritten.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I'll be in Phoenix for the next few days. I forgot to pack a coat. Am I going to need one?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'd recommend sunscreen, this time of year.
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
yes Snapper, bring a coat.

I just saw on the news this morning it's not supposed to get over 110 degrees this whole week. I might have to break out my sweaters and jacket. LOL

 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
"I demand that we all have Individual baggies!"

It's fun to switch channels and have people finish each others' sentences.

P. Sherman
42 Wallaby Way
Sydney
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
100s are nice after a month of everyday over 110. I went swimming today and the water was actually chilly! We checked the water temperature and it was 85.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The other day I went by the clock / thermometer at about ten AM, and it said ninety-six.

That's why I cut the lawn as soon as the sun is up.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Took a nice little walk. The sun feels very good at 7:30 in the morning in the morning in Arizona. I didn't even need a coat.

I was supposed to showcase one of the new Taurus at the Bob Dylan concert on Tuesday. I guess the promoters never realized it got hot in Phoenix in August. No concert.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Hail Colorado! Today's forecast: High in the mid-70's, humidity in the 30's, and a chance of thunderstorms, accompanied by fascinating light shows.
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
The low today in Phoenix was 79. By Saturday the low is supposed to be 88. Isn't that sad when our low is warmer than your high?
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Well if you get the chance Snapper swing buy White Sands Missile Range NM, its only 450 miles and a 7.5 hour drive.

Drop me a e-mail if you are so we can coordinate further.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I would love to, RFWII but I am expected in Tucson then San Diego. After that I will be all the way up the coast. If I ever get a chance to get out your way, I will drop you a line.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Snapper, I've always heard that if you want to know how the economy is doing, you should ask a truck driver. So is the economy getting any better?
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I always heard you ask your bank statement. Last time I checked the answer was no.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Ask a truck driver??? Ha! What a laugh! Ever talk to a truck driver for more than four minutes? It's like talking to someone who has been stuck a deserted island for four years.

Truck drivers exaggerate, they'll tell you they're making so much money that they plan on buying Rhode Island one moment than will claim they're so broke that they've been living on a steady diet of dried raimen noodles for the past year, sometimes all in one sentence.

But since you asked this truckdriver... it ain't doing as bad as the media and politicians say. I'd say we bottomed out but not don't expect that we'll completely rebound for sometime.

I can make this assumption because I haul cars. It looked really bad around Feb. but since then promising signs for the industry have left me confident that no major car companies will be goign under for the time being.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The economy will be better in the spring of 2010, except in certain industries. However there's a good deal of stuff to dig out of once it does get better.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
The reason that truck drivers supposedly know how the economy is doing is because they are the ones who transport goods. Granted, some only transport one type of good, but they also see other truckers. It is difficult for a factory worker (who makes the goods) to know, because they are only responsible for one, or part of one, type of item. It's the same situation for individual department stores. Where Wal-Mart has not suffered much during this recession, other stores have. However, it is the longterm growth and decline of purchases that determine swings. When truck drivers become busy, that is when the economy is turning up.

People typically judge the economy by their own employment or available job openings. However, as the news reminds us constantly, this is the last indicator.

My biggest concern is the growing national debt, which is creating inflation by devaluating the dollar and the overall decrease in personal credit ratings due to housing issues and long-term unemployment.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Word Up!



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Shipping is a good way to judge how a civilization is doing. Keep your eyes on the ports. If substantially less shipping comes in year by year, the civilization is on its way down. (No, I don't have the USA stats handy, but they must be around somewhere.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yesterday and today, I had this water gurgling up out of the ground just next to my driveway. It was slight but fairly constant, flowing down the driveway and puddling in the low spot.

It wasn't my city water line, which is on the other side of my front lawn, and my meter wasn't moving. It wasn't the sewer: that's closer and the water didn't smell bad. It's not the "dual water" connection: there is none on my side of the street and I'm not hooked up to it.

Today the city guys were here to look at it. (I was out: my father came down and watched things.) Seems there's a whole other city water connection line on that side of the driveway, and that was what was leaking. The city guys had it dug up and fixed quickly enough. (There's a bare spot on my lawn, and it'll probably sink down some, but I'd rather have that than a gusher.)

But why was a separate line there? I've got two guesses. (1) When the house was being built (not by me: I bought it off the rack) they put the line there, then someone decided it wasn't needed and they put another line where it belonged. Or (2) there were two lots here originally, both with city water hookup lines...then the lots were subdivided, two lots into three lots, and the line got forgotten in the shuffle.

Anyway, it's fixed. I hope.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
My biggest concern is the growing national debt, which is creating inflation by devaluating the dollar and the overall decrease in personal credit ratings due to housing issues and long-term unemployment.

I am one-hundred percent behind you on this. I know Kathleen hates it when we talk politics so I will try to keep things short.

No one is taking thsi seriously. It gets backhanded attention by every politician.

Yes, the deficit is a concern, but (war on terroism, health care, social security, gold tiles in the congressional bathrooms) is a problem for every American...

Every decision made in government and dollar allocated for it should answer this question, is it so important to doom the next generation with national bankruptcy?

The national debt will be resolved the same way it gets resolved in third world nations; runaway inflation. I'm talking double, and sometimes, triple digit kind.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited August 11, 2009).]
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
The economy will rebound 2013 on May 15 at 4:05 am.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The news stories circulating today say that the recession is already over---so Ben Bernacke should get another term as Head of the Fed.
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Oh, they fixed it? Whew! And to think I was worried.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Robert your extra water line reminds me of when people are born with a little extra because they had a twin who died and merged with them. I was actually picturing a house in a womb. Thanks for that bizar image, really.

I try to assume that most of the people don't know what they are talking about, but they talk anyway because what else is there to do?
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Quote…..The economy will be better in the spring of 2010, except in certain industries. However there's a good deal of stuff to dig out of once it does get better…….end quote


Waits so I wasted $10,000 on ammunition and guns for nothing?

I was really hoping that the bottom would fall out and the world would fall into WW V. Yes World War 4, how you may ask, well the 100 year war between all European countries a few hundred years ago was WW I, the Napolic wars were WW II, what we call WW I and WW II was really WW III and WW IV.
Take it from someone who has lived 3000 years of human history, I know what I am talking about, or maybe its just the sleeping pills mixed with pain killers at 0130 Mountain time that is making me talk this way..

Rommel Fenrir Wolf II

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My brothers are twins.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I spent the day in a Medicaid/Medicare funded nursing facility. I don't want to get political, but if this is representative of what everyone's future healthcare is going to be like, I plan on taking up skydiving sometime around the age of 80.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was supposed to be triplets---this was back in the Dark Ages of medicine, and the doctor thought he heard three heartbeats.

Instead, I weighed ten and a half pounds. My mother has never let me forget that.
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I'm going to be honest: I find identical twins a little creepy.

Not like "I can't stand to be in their presence" creepy, but definitely a little creepy.

Maybe it was "The Shining" that did it to me.

Apologies to any identical twins out there; I'm sure you are very nice people.
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Popping candy is bizarre! It contains carbon dioxide to make it fizz.

As a kid, my best friends were a pair of identical twins. They were very similar, and yet they looked different (to me) and had differences in personalities. They are individuals.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Can't sleep.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My brothers were fraternal twins.

On our street, we had three other pairs of twins, all about the same age. No, it's nothing in the ground---they were all born when their parents lived elsewhere, and moved in when they were babies.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
When I was in college at a small school in Tennessee, we had five people who had gone to the same elementary school - in Nigeria! Three of them were siblings, none of which were twins - children of missionaries. Another was the child of parent who was some kind of business advisor, oil maybe, I don't really remember. And the other, my roommate, was the son of a CIA agent.

Can we all sing "It's a Small World".
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Sleep what is that?

i sleep only a few hors a week and i dont like it.

So the CIA is trying to make lots of coppies of themselves? i knew it. the Govt is trying to brain wash all of us.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Wait, CIA twins? Now that really is creepy.
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
Wow! I have been gone for a few months and this thread continues.
One has to ponder the universe...or at least the ennui of Hatrackers..

:-)

I am looking forward to creative unemployment. I do not plan to work again (after a short 20 day gig in Sept.) until 2010.

Leslie
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Read the pages so far, if you dare.

*****

Y'know, kindergarten through college, I went to four different schools. There wasn't one student besides me from any of the previous schools. (The college was a thousand miles away from the other three, though.)
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Beware the mental lethargy that comes from unemployment.

It's a small word after all, it's a small word after all.
There is just one i and a little t that is all there is to 'it' you see.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm starting to think every day I go in will be my last. Today might very well have been my last day if I'd "expressed my opinion" to the supervisor.

I look forward to retirement. Actually I might be able to pull it off right now, but it'd be a thin living...I hope to sock away a few more bucks in the next few years and then retire.
 


Posted by Marita Ann (Member # 8697) on :
 
I have friends who are identical twins and they are both great singers. It sounds awesome when they sing a duet because their voices are so similar.

In other news... I'm engaged!!! The former BF proposed a week ago, by a lake in West Virginia. We both still have two years left of college, so it will be a while before the big day, but oh well.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, in pop music, it was the Everly Brothers (who weren't twins) who had the most influence on harmony. The Everly Brothers came out of country music, and the harmony of the Everly Brothers influenced the harmony of the Beatles, and the Beatles influenced, well, everybody.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Congrats, Marita Ann
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
One of my favorite places in the world is in West Virginia (it's called "Beartown State Park"). Congrats, Marita Ann. What lake in West Virginia?
 
Posted by Marita Ann (Member # 8697) on :
 
It's called Hulls Lake, and it's in/near Terra Alta. The "resort" is called Alpine Lake. They have a lot of cabins there for rent, as well as a lodge. It's a really beautiful place. My fiancé grew up in Morgantown, and when my grandparents immigrated from the Netherlands, they came to Huntington. They had learned how to speak British English, but in West Virginia they couldn't understand a word anyone was saying!
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
We lived in South Charleston, just over the hill from the Kanawha River, for a couple of years about 30 years ago. I really liked it there, but we weren't there long enough to see very much of it.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Congrats, Marita Ann!

Kindergarten through college, I attended nine schools. None of the kids from kindergarten attended my second elementary school, one of the kids from my second elemenary attended my first middle school, one (or two?) of the kids from my year of "homeschooling" attended my first high school, and none of the kids from my first high school attended my second high school. I'm generally more comfortable around strangers than around people I've known for a while.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Congratulations.

*****

Actually what I remember best about each school these days are what books I found in the libraries. K-thru-5 school, Heinlein and Asimov's fiction. 5-thru-8, Asimov's non-fiction. High school, Tolkien, Kenneth Grahame, C. S. Lewis, and Mervyn Peake. College, P. G. Wodehouse and Stephen King. (The majority of stuff that I enjoyed and which influenced me, I found elsewhere, like bookstores and magazines.)

*****

You might deduce from the above that I changed schools mid-way through fifth grade. The story of this would thrill you and chill you...that is, it would, if I were a better writer.

*****

Come to think of it, I found Tolkien through buying The Hobbit at a book fair at high school, not in the library.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Robert reminds me of something that I did that a few other of my writer friends found blasphemis. In an attempt to get my wife to part with of a few of her precious things (that litter our house) I agreed to part with something that was very important to me.
My sci-fi/fantasy paperback collection.
I put aside ten books that I couldn't part with than sold the rest, about 200, for $25. Man the guy that bought them was happy. I didn't think I would miss them but man do I wish I would have held onto a few more. Especially those Niven short story anthologies.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited August 20, 2009).]
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Wow, snapper. That's love, or... Let's stick with "love".
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Life belongs to those who show up.- Jim Christian

Anyone can dream. The real trick is to wake up. -Terry Prachett

Do, or do not. There is no try. -Yoda

 


Posted by Marita Ann (Member # 8697) on :
 
I discovered The Lord of the Rings in middle school. That was at the time when the movies were coming out. I can't remember if I saw the first movie, and then read the books, or if I read the books before I saw the first movie. Either way, it was a big thing at my school. Almost everyone was carrying one of the books around with them at some point. I'm now reading the series to my sister, who is 12. It blows her mind how complex the world is. For that matter, it still blows my mind.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I also discovered LOTR in middle school, except then it was called junior high. Then animated LOTR movies had just come out about that time and everyone was talking about the books and playing D&D. Interesting how generations paralel one another sometimes.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I picked up that copy of The Hobbit sometime in the spring of 1976, I think...it was the only thing that looked like fantasy or science fiction in the sale.

I didn't read it until that summer, though...ah, I remember the circumstances well...down in the cool of the basement to escape the heat of my tiny little room...sitting in the beanbag chair in the room my parents built for my brother...turning the pages and wanting more when I got to the end.

I quickly realized there was more...there was The Lord of the Rings, just waiting...I bought the Ballantine paperback edition of The Fellowship of the Ring and burned through that, same BatPlace, same BatStation...

But it was three volumes in those days, and I could only afford to buy one at a time! Boy was I antsy until I could get to the stores again and find copies...
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
I'm reading LOTR to my five year old. We're in the Two Towers, when they decide to try Gollum's alternate route into Mordor. My son complains every night that we can't stop, its a cliffhanger. Or keep reading, nothing interesting happened yet. Sorry, kid--bedtime.

And I've been re-reading Plot and Structure by Bell, and Elantris by Sanderson. Also an ecology book for my story world.

Last night I put up a huge sheet of paper and tacked up cards to see my plot points. They are color coded by POV and are rated 0-10 for intensity (well, no zeros or ones). I hope the visual will help me to see holes in my plot and subplots, where they need to intersect, and where I need to raise the tension. Yet another strategy that is something other than Writing...

[This message has been edited by MrsBrown (edited August 21, 2009).]
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
My first LOTR encounter was the Hobbitt in 1969 just after I was married. I thought it was OK, not astounding.

It didn't have as much impact until I read it again about ten years later after finishing the trilogy. At that point it was a gourmet's delight.

The impact of a book on the reader certainly depends on the context in which it is read.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The Hobbit was one of the first books I watched the sunrise with. I had found three copies of it in the basement, apparently some of my older siblings had bought their own copies and they drifted to the family collection. It was many years later that I got a copy of LOTR, I had just kept putting it off, then the movies came out and I decided I wanted to read them before I saw the movie. I wished I had read them earlier, mainly because Frodo was played by Elijah Wood in my head even though all my other hobbits looked like I had pictured them as a child.

But then waffles always did taste better at inappropriate times.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I first read the Hobbit when I was around 12 and all my uncles realized I liked reading fantasy. They lent me a copy and I liked it allright. I liked it enough to then start reading LOTR and I loved that. I guess I just liked epics and the Hobbit wasn't epic enough for me. After Tolkien they lent me Anne McCaffrey and then I discovered Terry Brooks in my Junior high library.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
What the heck. I first read LORD OF THE RINGS in junior high (shortly after they came to the US legally--not the pirated versions) and after I'd read THE HOBBIT. Loved LOTR and have reread it well over ten times since then. (Reread it the last time before seeing the movies.) I guess I need to read it again.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Y'know, I'd seen the books around, in bookstores and at school, but, even though I was well into SF (Heinlein circa 1970, subscription to Analog 1973) and part into fantasy-by-association, I had the idea that these might be foolish books.

I think it was the absolutely dreadful covers that Ballantine Books stuck on them when they reprinted them, that made me think this. (One of the "annotated" Hobbits discusses Tolkien's reaction to these at length.) Those of you who are my age or older might remember this as a chronic problem with Ballantine Books---arty fantastic covers that had little or nothing to do with what was inside.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I remember discovering the cartoon version of The Hobbit on TV a very long time ago when I was a pre-teen. The Hanna-Barbara adaption, by todays standards, is awful but back then I saw nothing like it. That probably got me to withdraw the early book from the library. I do remember the book was far more vivd and better than what I watched on TV.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Actually it wasn't Hanna-Barbera, it was Rankin-Bass. I was severely disappointed by that because it had the adventure, but didn't capture the grit and setting. And it was a cartoon!

Although I have some plot issues with the LOTR movies, they were infintely more successful in portraying Tolkein's world.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
After Ralph Bakshi failed to complete the second part of his Lord of the Rings movie, the Rankin-Bass people made one of their own---and, boy, was that awful. Mostly it was the songs.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I never liked the orcs in the animated LOTR. I was never sure if they were live actors superimposed on the cartoon or just some form of weird special effect.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Wow. If you get behind reading this thread, there is no catching up.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Well I am dieing but what elts is new. I haven’t been to work today and I don’t give a dame if they wonder were I am. I have been in bed waiting for death to take me to my next life.

Anyway remember when I was in Afghanistan and said we were attacked by the Sean Connery dragon. Well in a stoop of sure boredom yesterday and that nothing was on TV I watched that movie Eragon, anyway I didn’t understand it but that dragon looked subspecialty like the Sean Connery dragon that attacked us in Afghanistan. I think it was wearing a mask but my memory is fading. I remember that I hunted and killed it in the cold Afghan winter, found it hibernating in a cave and so I beheaded it, placed about 500LBS of explosives around it, and a small homemade napalm bomb. That was some good eating.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well. You know hardly anybody here believes you, don't you?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Well Robert, when was the last time you saw Connery in a movie?

I got the Bakshi film a while ago, I laughed so hard when they ended it with Frodo going into Sheilobs lair. The real people cut into the animation looked terrible, kind of like the DragonLance movie did with the 3-D CGI Draconians and the 2-D everything else.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
I don’t lie.

I just twist the truth a little.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Haven't seen Connery in a while---I heard he retired from moviemaking after the "The League of Angry Gentlemen," or whatever that dreadful movie was called---but his name and comments come up every so often in writings on Scottish politics.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I heard they asked him to be in the reasonably new Indiana Jones movie, but he refused. Must have read the script.


 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
If he refused that shoes he's not insane, unlike the rest of those idiots who made that abysmal film.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I hadn't noticed when this came up, but it's his birthday today. Happy birthday, Sean!
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
AUHGUHST - What a great name for the month in which Sean Connery was born.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Tons of movies that old scot did. My favorite Sean Connery role.

Jim Malone in The Untouchables


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I spotted Connery as a seaman in A Night to Remember, I think...the Internet Movie Database listed him as being in the movie, and I went looking. He has one line, which might be dubbed in, but it looks like him.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
In the RCP3 comedy movie my old platoon and I were paining to make one day, Sean Connery was going to be a guest appetence and be some random general that comes out of nowhere and tells us we are doing grate thing for our country and then goes on this General Patton stile speech and we all fall asleep due to the face that we just got off mission.

I wonder if such a movie was to be made about my PLT in Afghanistan how much would good old Connery sign on for?

Oh one more thing, someone asked me if Connery was a Werewolf back when I posted about the dragon many a 2 years ago, well my sources tell me he is but he hasn’t acted as one since his last life. So I don’t know what is going on with him.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I can't think of anything to say.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Well actually, you just did.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Was that a blank moment or a not-commenting on the previous post?
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
The phrase "Keep your eye's peeled" freaks me out.


 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
You know what phrase bothers me?

the fact of the matter is...

It is meant to be a summation of a point, but it is such a misuse of terms. fact implies an adherent truth, when what usually follows is an opinion. matter just doesn't fit at all. Just what is the matter anyway? Substance? State of being? To use one word for an entire encompassing prespective is ambiguous. Choosing matter as that word defies logic to me.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I assume the definition of "matter" in play here is something like "an issue". Like in the phrase "The matter at hand" or "As a matter of fact" and not so much the kind of "matter" Scotty might refer to.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was doing a crossword puzzle the other day, that reversed the usual combinations. "Rings of the Lord" and "Hill of the King" are what I remember.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Trek Star, Butthead and Beavis, Game Enders
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Hing of the Kill? Rord of the Lings?

Oh, Rord of the Lings might make a nice title.

Once a Panamanian woman with poor English skills had a British woman for a friend, they both lived in Utah. They shared a love for etiquette and would try to be polite as possible. One day the British woman had just been running and visited the Panamanian woman and said to her friend, "Excuse me while I wheeze a little on your couch." Sadly this was the end of their friendship.

(This is a mostly true story.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Barrel of the Bottom. Season of the Time. Line of the Top. Litter of the Pick. Loom of the Fruit.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Art of the State. Life of my Time. Fun of it for the Just. World of the Man. Street on the Man. Town about Man. Dog bites Man. War of Man. Thief of Princes. Bride of the Father. Flies of the Lord. Class of the Head. My Horse for a Kingdom. Dead of the Dawn. World of the Top. Nature of Freak. Beast of the Nature. Unknown of the Fear. Night of the Dark. Beast of the Mark. Lord of the House. (I guess that one goes both ways.) Life for your Run. Hopless for the Hope. Word of the Knight. Salesman of a Death. Beaver it to Leave. Giant of the Shadow. Year of the Game. Era of an End. Apocalypse of the Horsemen.

I just watched Men in Tights, and the Sheriff of Rottingham spoke in things like that all over the place. Plus a few spoonerisms and my favorite "I'll pay for that."

Wind blows.

Blasted Daleks!


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Board of the Chairman. Wedding of the Member. Evening of the Ladies. Living Dead of the Night. Khyber Rifles of the King.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
How about Ass in the Pain?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Breed of the Best. Litter of the Pick. Month of the Jelly. Gods of the King. World of the End. Band of the Friend. United States of the President. House of the Master. Beaver of the Dam. Walk of the Cock.

The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

But there is a silly little shoelace dancing in the window of the moonlight. Collections are finding evil in the weirdness of the back of the understatement. Foundling badgers dancing out of the whereabouts that live under. Time. Shine the shadows at the people in the window. Ride it out, and wear it in. Cream is there for you to see. When you fall asleep as you are asleep is it a deeper level, then can we not awaken from the waking world?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ever hear of Timespeak? It's what Time Magazine used to write in. "Backward ran the sentence for meaning to confuse in order."
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Today is the greatest day we know, can't wait for tomorrow ...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Later today, maybe right after I finish online, I hope to count my pennies. If I added more explanation, it would rob my simple statement of any humor.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Makes cents to me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hadn't noticed it kicked into another page.

Yes, I did count them.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Here's something semi-odd...Google has introduced one of those "robo-number" things---where you have to type in numbers or letters or a mixture to prove you're not some computer somewhere just doing some automated thing. It came up for me today when I modified search criteria.

Something of a puzzler as to why they need to do it...maybe some of you understand the issue better than I do.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
I hadn't heard of that before. However, I found an explanation: Google is trying to weed out the automated robot software when there's too much traffic on Google pages.

Answer from Google Web Search Help

[This message has been edited by aspirit (edited September 01, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Seems to me that, though they may be weeding out traffic generated by artificial means and cutting down inflated numbers, they also defeat their purpose for existence by making it harder to work through.

Anybody seen this on other search engines? I haven't, yet...I see it elsewhere...
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I HATE those things. Especially since, usually, they're almost impossible to read correctly the first time.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Did you know that when there are two of them one of them is the real test and another is from a scan of an old book that they are digitizing. That makes me happy when I get one of those, the ones with one are stupid though. It has cut down the bot activity though.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Just when I thought I'd dried out completely...last night I had two ideas for short stories. One came to me in a dream (or maybe just before I went to sleep)...the other came out of remembering an old paperback cover and playing an idea off that.

I even remember them today, which must mean they're all right. (Old rule-of-thumb---if you can't remember the idea it couldn't have been any good.)

At any rate, I've got something to play with in my mind for a while before writing something down. Neither idea is what you might call complete...
 


Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
happy fathers' day (coming up) to any and all dads here on hatrack
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
My father-in-law was recently in Australia and New Zealand - I'll have to inform my wife that she has to celebrate Father's Day twice now.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Learn something new every day...
http://www.fathersdaycelebration.com/fathers-day-in-australia.html
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
What a wasted day. Ever piss off someone for the wrong reason? Ever do it to three different people, all unrelated circumstances? Had high hopes on accomplishing some needed rewriting. Sheesh.

Anyone going to be at the Seattle State fair on monday?


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I just got home from work. Today was Payday, and, well...I didn't get paid. Neither did anybody else who didn't have direct deposit.

More as this develops.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
A client that usually works with the owner couldn't wait for him to be available so he directed her to work with me. I helped her choose her framing, mat etc. The piece turned out great.

While I was designing with her she had told me that she needed to keep it small for the space she was putting it in. I showed her a mat size that was both appropriate to the piece and fit her parameters. Mind you, this is a vintage fashion drawing and we had chosen a petite frame.

Now she has talked to the owner and said she doesn't like that the mat is so small.

I don't mind this in itself. If a client doesn't like the way something came out I am more than happy to change it. (This is extremely rare by the way.)

What bothers me is that she accused me of not advising her well. That I should've told her that the size of the mat was too small.

I have been doing this for twenty years. I am very specific when I work with clients about them seeing exactly what they're getting and I DO tell people if I think they're making a bad decision. I'm actually known for my direct, honest style and I have a lot of clients who appreciate that. There is about a half inch range where mat widths will look good on any given piece. It is not too small. And I did not fail her in giving advice.

But I am not psychic and I can not predict her whims of insanity or b****iness.

When I go in this morning she is going to be meeting with the owner to 'fix' the problem. I really don't want to be there because it's going to be very hard not to say something snide. I will try to be out of the room as much as I can.

That or I will sit at my computer focused on typing up the story notes I came up with at dinner last night for NaNoWriMo and try to ignore them.

Aaargh!

By the way, the boss knows how I work and he's not holding anything against me.



 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I am familiar with this problem G42. It's something I call temporary meglomania. You'll see it at a restuarant. A person is in a position where they can order someone around, in this instance a waitress, and begin to act like one of Cinderella's stepsisters.

The spoon is dirty. I didn't want ice in my drink. I was expecting my salad with the meal. Where is my meal? I didn't order this. This is cold, take it back. I want to see the manager...
The waitress was rude, unhelpful, slow...

Event planners (bless their hearts), will get the worse of it. Most of their contacts, representives for their clients, are helpful, kind, and a pleasant to meet. Then you'll get one that seem to revel into making anyone that answers to them uncomfortable. They search for the smallest flaw, ask a pointed question about it, and walk away in mid-sentence when the planners represenative attempts an explanation. They'll ignore the poor person assigned to make them happy and act like that person is an eyesore. Yet once when that poor person seeks a little time away, they go looking for them.

Such people are impossible to please. Fortunately, they are transparent. I wouldn't worry about the lady. It takes more than one perpetually unhappy person to besmerge a reputation. Just remember that you can't please all the people all the time. People like that make it a point to prove that axiom.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Day Two, and I still haven't been paid. All we know is that (1) those with direct deposit got their money, and (2) the problem is nationwide, not just at our plant.

Even if I had gotten a paycheck today, I couldn't have cashed it---the bank I do business with nearby are closed, and I wouldn't have felt motivated enough (or broke enough) to chase down a branch that was open. Moot point, anyway.

Also they pulled this stunt over the Labor Day weekend. If the check comes tomorrow, I won't be able to cash it till Tuesday. If it doesn't, I won't be able to get it until Wednesday night or Thursday morning. (Assuming they have it even by then.)

I'm not broke---not that I'm telling them that---and waiting a few days will work no hardships on me. (It will if it goes on.) Management, local and top, takes their responsibilities too lightly---they're big on us doing all sorts of things, but when it comes to their own duties, good luck in getting them to get it done.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Thanks snapper. I understand exactly what you're saying. Does it add to the picture if I tell you that I work near Hollywood? The attitudes between the 'industry' people and Beverly Hills people can be outrageous. Though, most people are nice.

I didn't try too hard to get to work on time yesterday, as evidenced by the coffee and breakfast sandwich I walked in with. And by the time I got there, about eight minutes late, she had been and gone.

The boss did defend me and tell her that I am very good at what I do. But do you know what's telling? She said that the space she was going to put the piece was bigger than she realized and she offered to pay for the change. She didn't take back her comments about me but that's as good as admitting that it was her screw up. If she truly thought it was my fault she wouldn't have offered to pay.

Admittedly, I'm a little burned out right now. I have to go in today and I already have someone bringing in ten vintage posters first thing in the morning. After this though, I have finagled four days off and if I need it I will stretch it to five. More time to write and clean the bedroom

Sorry you haven't gotten paid Robert. That is lousy. Give 'em heck.

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Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I am sorry too, Robert but am very relieved that the money isn't needed for the weekend. Last place I worked at, that would have precipated a riot if the workers were told they had to wait until tuesday to get paid at the start of a 3 day weekend. Easily 50% of the guys needed to borrow money for lunch by Thursday (or sooner) because of their 'live for now' life style. It would have been a disaster for the bar owners if those guys had to stick out the weekend with empty pockets.
It is ironic that it sounds like they weren't delivered on time, considering you work for the post ofice.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I do know a lot of guys who live from paycheck to paycheck. I've put those days behind me...but something like this can drain my resources.

(But I might've put off buying that Blu-Ray DVD player if I'd'a known it was coming.)

*****

On a vaguely related note---I was planning on buying the new Beatles remastered-CD box set when it comes out on Tuesday. (I've had the cash for it set aside for months, so I can cover it.)
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Does it add to the picture if I tell you that I work near Hollywood? The attitudes between the 'industry' people and Beverly Hills people can be outrageous. Though, most people are nice.

Yes it does, G42. It solidifies my opinion. In my previous career I moved people across the country. The job made me the middle manager on site. Not only was I responsible for my actions and the workers on the crew, I was also the represenative for the entire company to them. Such people can make your life hell. It is almost like they are testing the limits of your composure. It can be a game to them. You lose your cool and they win, and that's when the real fun begins.

Identifying these people before they get the opportunity to damage your pysche is crucial. They masquerade as customers that are protective of their things and have a standard of quality that they want to be met. You can help that type of customer, they're only hard to please. The other kind is the 'misery loves company' type. Here are some signs...

1) Their smile
The ones that don't return your smile are easy to spot. They'll get you to throw up your guard right away. It's the one's that give you that 'larger than a circus clown' grin that will get you to relax at first.

2) The stare
Judgemental, you see it right away. Easy to confuse it with a geniune interest of what you have to say. However, the stare they'll pierce you with is that Queen Anne one. Even when they're a foot shorter it's like they're staring down from the throne, eager to find a legitiment reason to behead you.

3) The dismissive wave
Sometimes there is no wave but the effect is the same. They cut you off in mid sentence at your first helpful suggestion. This is their way of setting the tone in your relationship. If you are the outstanding worker I suspect you to be, it will be your reaction to start trying harder at pleasing this person. They will be watching to see what you do at this moment.

4) Back to square one

The old bait-and-switch from the otherside of the counter. You worked hard on pleasing the crotchity crank, believe that you finally got what they wanted, and it all blows up in your face. Could be the most insignificant item, doesn't matter. Big show of displeasure, pointed comments to re-enforce your own feelings of inadequacy, demands to see your superior. If you get to this point excusing yourself and letting your boss handle the matter will go a long way in ruining their ploy. They are out to make your life miserable, showing that no matter what they do isn't going to ruin your day will make their whole display a meaningless, a wasted effort.

quote:
I didn't try too hard to get to work on time yesterday, as evidenced by the coffee and breakfast sandwich I walked in with. And by the time I got there, about eight minutes late, she had been and gone.

Good for you. You not being there made the game not fun. Can't make the peasant squirm if she's not around. Bet if you were on time her attitude on the matter and displeasure would have been different.

quote:
The boss did defend me and tell her that I am very good at what I do. But do you know what's telling? She said that the space she was going to put the piece was bigger than she realized and she offered to pay for the change. She didn't take back her comments about me but that's as good as admitting that it was her screw up. If she truly thought it was my fault she wouldn't have offered to pay.

Good for your boss and not a bad way to see her actions as an admission. I however see what see did as deviously Machiavellian one. He wrote attack from the position of the moral high ground or something close to it. Your boss said you were valuable as an employee. She countered with her money. Offering to pay even when she was disatisfied was an attempt to show how valuable she can be to your boss. The comment that the space was bigger than she realized was her way of saying that she is the reasonable person.

Just remember this is all fun to her, on a subconscience level. The best way to deal with this type of person is to become robotic, not in monotoned difficult way but in a detached unemotional one. This may run counter to the person you are but it is the person you are that makes them want to crush your world.

quote:
Admittedly, I'm a little burned out right now.

Understandable. Recharge and don't let it keep you down too long. She ain't worth it.

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Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I work in the Deli department in a grocery store and I too can relate very strongly to these types of customers. I think snapper hits the proverbial nail on the head here across the board...I find myself doing all those things when confronted with the ocassional customer whose main goal seems to be using me to vent their days frustrations.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I feel for you, ME. I used to work in a grocery store myself. A deli is a higher quality area than the rest of the store. People expect the product that they buy to be better. Not at all hard to imagine the occasional person to come through with a power trip surge. Bet you wanted to use some potato salad as a pie-in-the-face before.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
snapper you are right on. Part of the problem here is that we are a high-end service business that relies on customer service, repeat business and referrals. This means that we try very hard to make all of our customers long term.

Unfortunately I can't pawn difficult customers off on the boss because I am the boss, well manager. I wouldn't even have left her to deal with the owner had she not known him personally and called him directly.

Some bit of good was working for me yesterday because after she left I had a bunch of customers, new and old, that were very nice and appreciative of my help. There was even one that would've left had I not been here even though he only needed a little photo frame. Made me feel better about things and yes, the incident is behind me now.

And the couple that had all of the vintage posters this morning spent about three hours but were very easy to help.

So things are looking up and I am in a much better mood going into this long weekend. Thank you all for listening to me vent.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Two things:

1) another term for such people is "toxic," and I give you all permission to reward yourselves with chocolate or whatever you consider a treat for having dealt with them

2) consider it all "grist for the mill" and think of ingenious ways to kill them off in your stories.
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Hating your job is probably the greatest inspiration for art ever. Not beauty, not human suffering, none of that. It's having a sucky job.


 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I've worked many a lowly job, to which my recent "jobs" topic can attest, but of all of them, selling cars was one of the worst in regards to how I was treated by customers (and management). People tend to see the car salesman as the enemy. However, I did not work on commission, but instead, I made my income based on how many cars I sold and not how much I sold them for. I wasn't there to take anyone for a ride, figuratively or literally.

However, people often came there with the intent to treat the salesman, me, like crap. No matter how pleasant I tried to be, there was always that one customer, at least once a day, who decided it was acceptable to be rude and condescending. On the other end of the process, the managers had terrible tempers and would curse, demean, and actually throw objects at you if things didn't happen a certain way.

One should remember that people are people no matter what their job or societal position is, and people should be treated as people, equally. Consumers are a lot better off armed with information than with attitude, unless it's a beatitude.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
For abuse on the job from customers, nothing beats working the window at a post office. Or so I hear from my buddies who've actually done it.

(By the way, three days, and no paycheck.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Another note: the Beatles remastered CD set comes out on Wednesday, September 9th. I was thinking that was Tuesday.

How can I stand to wait one more whole day?
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I will say that I don't actually hate my job. There are just occaional bad times. How can I hate a job that where I'm allowed to write and post on Hatrack when it's slow? I've done most of my NaNoWriMo notes there so far.

But it is true that I will bend over backwards to help a nice person and just do what's necessary for a nasty one. And do nasty people have a clue what we say about them after they leave? If they did, I don't think they'd be so nasty. Or maybe they would because they just don't care.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I generally prefer competence in coworkers...something somewhat in short supply.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Hey Kathleen!

You mentioned in another post that you and She Who Must Be Impressed will use that twins joke whenever you are together. Do you really?
 


Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
you guys are lucky you see other people at work.
I turn up, work alone in silence for eight hours, I go home and find I can't talk properly.

PS: I do get a lunch break, sometimes it is sunny.
and I did not know we celebrated father's day at different times of the year.

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Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I once worked a job where the checks bounced, every time. I had to drive down to the owner's bank and ask if there was any money in the account. It was kind of soul crushing. That's why when I decided to go back to school I quit instead of just taking night classes. I told the guy, people will forgive much as long as they get paid.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Robert, I have a rather huge collection of DVD-Audio's and SACD's but one of my favorites is The Beatles Love DVD-Audio/CD. While most DVD-A discs require a DVD-A player, this particular disc will play back in 5.1 on any standard DVD player connected to a 5.1 system. The re-mastering into surround sound is stunning. Truly a whole new experience if you've never heard classic rock re-mastered in this way.

An impressive track list too.

1. Because
2. Get Back
3. Glass Onion
4. Eleanor Rigby/Julia (Transition)
5. I Am The Walrus
6. I Want To Hold Your Hand
7. Drive My Car/The Word/What You're Doing
8. Gnik Nus
9. Something/Blue Jay Way (Transition)
10. Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite!/I Want You (She's So Heavy)/Helter Skelter
11. Help!
12. Blackbird/Yesterday
13. Strawberry Fields Forever
14. Within You Without You/Tomorrow Never Knows
15. Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds
16. Octopus's Garden
17. Lady Madonna
18. Here Comes The Sun/The Inner Light (Transition)
19. Come Together/Dear Prudence/Cry Baby Cry (Transition)
20. Revolution
21. Back In The U.S.S.R.
22. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
23. A Day In The Life
24. Hey Jude
25. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
26. All You Need Is Love

Here's the link to the correct one. All the formats can get confusing.

http://www.amazon.com/Love-CD-Audio-DVD-Beatles/dp/B000JJS8TM/re f=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1252301176&sr=8-2

You can get it for less than $20 with shipping if you click where it says "32 new from $15.91"

Tracy

BTW, they have stopped printing this version of Beatles Love like they have all the other DVD-Audio disks and it will become a collectors item once stock runs out. In three years I bet you can't touch this disc for less than $80 used on eBay.

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Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
I am sorry if I appear to be stalking you tnwilz, but you have some fantastic music on your blog... and your new sofa looks great, well at least through the window from your backyard.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've never wired up a home theater system...the times I've experienced it elsewhere in live, the sonic blast didn't seem worth it to me. And the expense is great. Right now when I play CDs, I use the speakers that came with the television I've got now---which seems adequate for what I have to listen to. I've got an expensive pair of headphones for some more sophisticated listening, but I rarely use them.

I liked the "Love" album enough to listen to it several times---the juxtapositions were often amusing and often insightful---but nothing replaces the actual tracks. (Truth to tell, I don't find it all that surprising that "Get Back" could be matched up with the drum solo passage on "Abbey Road"---the drummer in both cases was the same, and they were recorded within six months of each other.)

I think I've mentioned it before elsewhere in these pages, but downloading the tracks to my iPod brought up some minor problems. The "Huge One" medley on what was once Side Two of "Abbey Road" is, I think, best listened to as a single entity---but the track separation of the CD did not permit me to download this as one track.

Eventually, I dug out my vinyl copy of "Abbey Road," and was able, thanks to a record player I picked up, to make one single track of Side Two on a CD-R, then download that to my iTunes and eventually my iPod. The sound quality is still good---I've done this with a lot of records now, with many more to go---but if it was at all possible to combine individual tracks on a CD into one single track, I haven't found out how to do it.

*****

Meanwhile, I enjoy a rare Monday off thanks to the holiday. I slept for nine hours.

But this also means I won't be in to work again until Wednesday night / Thursday morning---and won't be able to pick up my check until that point---assuming, of course, that someone gets their act together and the checks or cash or money orders are there for us. (The guy ostensibly in charge of us takes this matter much too lightly---I know for a fact he was paid, and by check.)
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Well, we're really talking about the difference between an old Polaroid instamatic and a Cannon SLR here in terms of sonics... still some people swear by the old Polaroid's don't they.

Thanks Andrew, I haven't paid much attention to the old blog lately. I had a bit of a fling with Missy didn't I (Probably because I met her) The last song in the player is "The sound of White" She wrote that song when she was a kid, isn't that unbelievable. When she was in school someone came to tell her that her best friend (her cousin) had died. She ran to the chapel to weep and it was all white inside and she said she felt he was there with her in the white light.

Which songs did you like in the little player? That Desree song gets me emotional every time. She wrote it herself about Shakespeare's tragic Romeo and Juliette. She can carry so much emotion in her voice.

Tracy

Oh since you're in the back yard, could you wheel out the trash cans to the curb, thanks buddy.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
When I take photos, usually only when I'm on vacation, I use an old Olympus OM-1. It's about thirty years old now. I figure I'd upgrade to true digital when it busts.

(And, no, the cellphone I have doesn't have a camera plugged into its hardware. I use that mostly on vacations, too. Same position on upgrading.)
 


Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
tnwilz,
I like the missy higgins songs.
Parochial Aussie . Have you heard her version of Stuff and Nonsense?


BTW: I have put out your garbage cans.... some interesting stuff in there.

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Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Andrew, I actually really appreciated the part you deleted although I get why you did. It's sobering when feelings you didn't know you were capable of overwhelm you. That happened to me when I was 35. 35 years of life and I had no idea I was capable of disintegrating like that. Fortunately only Gina saw it (and it wasn't even close to the event you described). Seems like you've figured out how to move forward judging by your generally upbeat presence here and that makes everyone happy. It would be amazing to be able to express our feelings the way Missy was able to in, The Sound of White, wouldn't it. My daughter and I were talking to her and I asked her about Sugarcane. She turned very red and said she didn't want to explain it, which, ironically enough, did. I think a lot of her music is pretty personal and perhaps that is what has made her so engaging and Australia's favorite daughter - at least for a while. She is a sweet girl and surprisingly aware of the human condition for one so young. Are you anywhere near Melbourne or is Brisbane home? We have good friends that moved to Traralgon and they want us to go visit but we haven't yet. I have not heard that song but I'll search for it. Thanks for the tip.

Tracy

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Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Nothing particularly random to report--perhaps Go Steelers will do?
 
Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
Thanks tnwilz,
I got very self-conscious after I posted that.

We live in Hobart now but my family hales from Gippsland. Settled the Yarram/Alberton/Port Albert area. Traralgon was the 'big smoke'.

We regularly fly to Melbourne. You can get flights for around $60 if you keep your eye out.


 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Hobart_CBD.JPG

Looks beautiful Andrew. I often have thought that I'd like to live on Kauai after we visited a few years back, but Gina always laughs because she knows I'd get island fever in less than two weeks. So how is it after growing up on the mainland, is island fever real? Tas is over 200 miles long so maybe it doesn't feel that Islandy. The interior has to be stunning...and unique in all the world. I go up and stay in Yosemite all time to write because I find it inspiring. The same reason Anne McCaffrey says she moved to Ireland - somehow it's easier to envision dragons in Ireland. I can see that! Do you travel on the island much?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Tessellated_Pavement_Sunrise_Landscape.jpg

Now that's inspiring. Looks like an ancient UFO landing base.

Tracy

 


Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
Yes. It is a beautiful and inspiring place.
This is near our house.

We live a little further up the river than Hobart.

Tasmania (if you include the islands) is about the same land size as Ireland. However, we have less than 10% of Ireland's population (and most of those are in two cities). So you can find some wild, rugged and isolated places.

You posted a link to the Tessellated Pavement. It is a beautiful spot, in some places those blocks of stone are entirely missing, and within the square pools left behind are these perfect little aquariums.

You'd like it.



 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Yeah, that's a pretty nasty leak. Are they going to fix it? Very LOTR'sy isn't it. I think I'd sit on a rock with my laptop and see what came to me. But I'd tether it to my wrist just in case a Hobbit surged out of the ferns and tried to steal it.

I believe Ireland's population has mostly killed each other by now so it may be closer than you think haha.

Tracy


 


Posted by Denem (Member # 8434) on :
 
Ok, Andrew,
I'm officially jealous. I'm surrounded by concrete skyscrapers.
There's nothing like a majestic waterfall to inspire creativity.
Breathtaking.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Umm, Denem, you know that rumbling sound you can hear from your office... yeah that's not the AC, that's Niagara!

BTW, is Google streetview illegal in Canada or something? I mean they have Streetview in "Tasmania" fer cryin out loud, but not in Toronto???

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Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
yeah, well maybe I was showing off.

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Posted by Denem (Member # 8434) on :
 
Niagara! I thought it was all the jumbo jets from Pearson International Airport.
Google Streetview isn't illegal in Canada, it just hasn't gotten this far north yet. It's funny, my boss was telling me a couple of weeks ago that the car driving around taking all of those 360 degree photos went down his street. We should be up and running here in about a year or so (wild guess).
Hey Andrew, small world, hey. What's your cousin's name, I've probably read some of her work. The Globe is a pretty prominant paper, particularly in the business district of Toronto.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Fine, this is where I live
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Murrieta01.JPG

The rolling green fields of Murrieta were first discovered in april of 2002. By march of the following year it was completely built out. Construction of tracts had to stop because they had only installed six foot concrete water mains and the system couldn't handle the additional hundred thousand homes in for planning approval. Oh and apparently a construction worker had stepped on a mouse that kind of looked like a mini-Kangaroo and a group of environmentalists felt compelled to burn him alive on a large wooden stake. So yeah, obviously the place has a lot of history.
 


Posted by Denem (Member # 8434) on :
 
Ok, you guys are going to have to stop this or I'm going to have to file for a change of address.
 
Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
Hey! tnwilz, I know what your back yard looks like, remember?

Denem, my cousin's name is Tenille Bonoguore, perhaps you have read some of her stuff. Who knows. She just married a fellow named Anthony Reinhart, he works there too.



 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Oh I wasn't bragging. Notice the endless horizon of rooftops capping tract after tract after tract. It's the price you pay to live in Southern California. Just too entrenched to get out now. With the first grandkid on the way, there's no turning back anymore. I've lived here since I was 20 having grown up in the UK... but you know what's strange, it's never felt like home. I came looking for my father who had abandoned us when I was 8 and somehow never found my way home (even though I had promised my mother who had begged me not to come). It's funny how life turns out isn't it? My sister told me a few weeks back, mums 73 and still waiting for her boy to come home.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Of what use are rolling green fields, if somebody doesn't do something with them?

When I moved where I am now, there were about thirty thousand people...now there are about two hundred thousand around. (Figures off the top of my head subject to verification.) The roads may all be two- and three-lane now, but they're just as jammed as they ever were.
 


Posted by Denem (Member # 8434) on :
 
I know what you mean, tnwilz. I'm from a small island on the east coast (Newfoundland) where there were less than a thousand people living in my hometown and the Atlantic Ocean was my backyard. Now, my backyard is towering masses of concrete, glass and steel.
I'd love to go back, but my wife is a city girl so I'm kind of stuck between a 'rock and a skyscraper' so to speak.

Ah, to smell the salty sea air, to carouse through the woods...

Oh great, now I'm homesick.

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Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
I wonder how common that is, the feeling that where you are isn't home, like there is a place you could go where you would feel like you are coming home? For me that would be Colchester, England. Or even my my grandmothers old house in Banbury... we lived there for a year when I was quite young but very impressionable. Is it different for women? Somehow I feel that perhaps all men are little boys who love their mummy, but women nest. If a woman gives birth in a home she prepared, wouldn't that feel like home more than any other place to her? If she went to her mother's house, wouldn't she just feel that she's in her mothers home, another woman's home? I'm not trying to reduce women to animals here, I just wonder if it's different for them. I should probably shut up now.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
By the way, I did run over and buy the boxed Beatles-remastered set this morning. So far all I've had time to do is watch the DVD of minidocumentaries that came with it---fun stuff there, though, with a lot of brand-new-to-me studio chatter of the kind I found most amusing while watching / listening to the "Anthology" stuff.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
The place I gave birth (San Diego) didn't really feel like home; what I miss is the beauty, the weather, friends, certain spots around town--but I was so glad to get out of that noisy, cramped apartment. I'm not much of a nester. My idea of decorating is to store my paintings on the walls, and rearrange the still-unpacked boxes from time to time. Home is where my family is (and my computer and a comfy chair).

I'm homesick for a place I can't get back to. I grew up in Pennsylvania and sometimes wish I'd never left. But my parents are dead and I can't go home. I was so eager to get away when I was younger... sigh. At least we had a few really good visits together before they went downhill. I don't think I've been back to see my siblings since the second funeral, and I miss them. Yeah, I could go, but it seems harder now...

The other place to go home to is my mother-in-law's home in PA, where we spend every Christmas. This year will be our last chance at a good snowfall there. She's planning to sell her sprawling house next summer and get a litte place close to us. Good to have her closer, but its hard to see the place go--my husband's grandfather was the architect.

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Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
It should not take ten times as long to edit a story than it did to write it. I've always enjoyed the editing phase, but at the moment I can't understand why.

At all.

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Lest you think I forgot, it's now Day Six from when my paycheck was supposed to be handed to me---and I still haven't been paid.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Must be the sign of the times, Robert. My company informed us all that the payroll didn't get sent out on time. They are hoping that everyones money will be deposited tomorrow but warn that it might not be until monday is when they'll be in our bank. Tough news considering we get paid every other week (got big bills that are due). We'll be okay only because the tour I have been on all summer pays well, but get this news during lean times.... not good.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Potruckers!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, here's the story. When I went in last night, there was talk that they would issue new checks next week, with the next-due check, and we'd get them then. This didn't sit well with anyone, really, but we were at a loss. Some guys went ahead and had them cut money orders, but I didn't.

Long about 1:00 AM, the supervisor---not the usual idiot but someone who knows what she's doing---came by with the check. Over the course of the night I pieced together the story of what happened.

I work in automation---I sort letters using a large machine---but there's a manual sort area. Some trays of manual mail came in from Tampa to be sorted, and a clerk going through that found it there and turned it in.

The mystery is this: we know where the checks were found, of course...but what we don't know is whether they came in mail that came in today, or whether they've been sitting over there, out-of-sight-out-of-mind, for the entire time.

(If I'd'a known they had mail like that over there---it's been years since I worked that area and I don't know precisely what they do now---I would'a gone over and riffled through the trays myself.)

I can, right now, put this fiasco right at the feet of certain people---the aforementioned "usual idiot," for one---who had charge of this matter and failed to look---in other words, failed to do their job.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Glad you finally got paid Robert. But it does sound like they were sitting there all week.

Keep us posted if it gets juicier.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Just played through Beatles: Rock Band, and boy are my arms tired. I have a few random musings on that.

1. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds has the most psychedelic effects I've ever seen, I almost went into a seizure.

2. There were only 43 songs on it (which I guess is pretty good for that kind of game) and there were a few I missed: Elenor Rigby, Love, HELP, and that one I can never remember the name of but talks about reading horrible news, oh boy (maybe that one was Wings though.)

3. I want to know who is responsible for never playing "As my Guitar Gently Weeps" on the radio. Why did I have to live this long before I heard it? Whoever it is has some serious 'splainin to do.

4. The story mode is organized by year, not by difficulty, most of the songs on the rooftop are quite easy, and some of them in the Cavern are quite hard.

5. The game has some really gear extra features, like a Christmas album from '63 with just terrible singing. (There is also a lead in to one of the abbey road songs where George is ordering lunch.)

6. I want to watch someone play, so I can see the music videos without failing out.

7. Sometimes being afraid of chickens isn't a good enough excuse for not wearing a chicken suit.

8. John is the Walrus, trust me.

9. The opening sequence has an interesting ending (Spoiler!) a whole gaggle of things are marching towards a cliff led by the group themselves having tea atop a rhinoceros with a grassy head. The rhino moves one foot off the cliff and it cuts to the Beatles and the sound of the footstep happens and rumbles the whole everything and they all stop. The rhino would have had to take that last step off the cliff. But it didn't fall. Pretty heavy meaning there I think.

10. The songs seem to be ridiculously easy, yet they don't sound easy. My theory is, coupled with my familiarity of the band, the Beatles just wrote smoother songs than most people.

11. You can pinpoint right where they met Hendrix, right when they started to really use the power of the electric guitar. (Instead of just enhancing what they'd do with an acoustic.)

12. I really like making lists.

13.

Merry Crimble
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
3. I want to know who is responsible for never playing "As my Guitar Gently Weeps" on the radio. Why did I have to live this long before I heard it? Whoever it is has some serious 'splainin to do.

Really? They used to. I listen to sattelite radio now so I wouldn't know. Quite a magical song, isn't it? George Harrison wrote it. Did you know that it is Eric Clapton on the guitar on the album?

It might be the best song the Beatles ever did (tough choice though)


 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
In Los Angeles "My Guitar Gently Weeps" gets plenty of airtime. KLOS 95.5 plays it and I think Jack (KCBS?) does too.

If you're in LA and like the Beatles you've got to know about Breakfast with the Beatles hosted by Chris Carter on Sunday mornings on KLOS. I think it's like three hours at a time of nonstop Beatles. I don't know if there's a webcast.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I have a certain regret for not having the equipment to try this out---of course, I've strummed along with a lot of Beatles songs on a real guitar, and added my voice as seems fit.

On the other hand:

2. "I read the news today, oh boy" would probably be "A Day in the Life."

3. "While My Guitar Gently Weeps."

5. Congratulations on being the first person to use "gear" in a sentence since 1964.

8. "The Walrus was Paul," "Glass Onion," John Lennon, The White Album, 1968.

9. They had that sequence in one of the ads for it.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yesterday, after leaving here, I played the third disc in the Beatles box set---"A Hard Day's Night"---and when I got to the second track, "I Should Have Known Better," I was struck with a revelation.

(Get your hipwaders out, 'cause this'll be kneedeep in nostalgia.)

Back when I first started listening to the Beatles in a serious way, one of my first sources was the album "Hey, Jude." This might be obscure these days, but it was kinda a "Beatles Greatest Hits Package," with a rather eclectic mix of early and late hits. (I learned much later that a new contract with Capitol Records gave them the right to release a package of songs in this matter.)

But it wasn't one of those twelve-inch black disks we called "albums"---it was what we called "eight-track tapes."

These were, I guess, spinoffs of eight-track recording tape. What you got were four sets of matching two-track stereo tracks. You couldn't rewind, you could only play them forward. They lasted through the 1970s until, eventually, being supplanted by tape cassettes.

But the thing is, the stereo separation was superb! One of the great joys of listening to the Beatles so obsessively in those days, was taking the balance knob and turning it so just one speaker and one track played. On "Hey Jude," there were some delightful separations on several tracks, like having two separate versions of the same song.

(This extended past the Beatles---there's a stereo version of "A Little Bit of Soap" by a group called the Jarmels, that I'd pay a lot to have on CD, but that the record company can't find to release it that way, or so they said the last time they released anything by the Jarmels.)

None of the latter-day reissues of Beatles stuff, albums, cassettes, CDS, could match this---until now. I listened, then grabbed my remote and took "I Should Have Known Better" through one stereo side, then the other.

It was cool, hearing first Lennon's vocal and (mostly) acoustic-guitar-and-drums, then Lennon's vocal and (mostly) the electric guitar parts. It put me back in my childhood, playing with my parents' eight-track player.

But, 'cause of this, I now pronounce the Beatles box set good, and well worth the effort of seeking out and buying (that is, if you've got that kind of money.)

And I look forward to hearing other tracks in this manner.
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
http://www.amazon.com/14-Golden-Classics-Jarmels/dp/B0000008EO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1252853114&sr=1-1

Sounds like stereo to me!


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I have that one...and if it's stereo, it's not the same mix as the eight-track. Possibly the song was recorded in two-track, vocals on one track and instruments on the other, and that was the version that somehow got released.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/nasa-mouse-floating-gravity-magnets,news-4626.html

How we first learned of anti-gravity technology.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
We've studied anti-gravity technology for decades. It just doesn't reach mainstream news often.

Here's something I hadn't learned of until recently. Have you ever considered what space smells like?
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/090904-sts128-space-rookies.html
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/090326-sts119-space-smell.html
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Yeah, I knew I had a lot of things wrong, they were all in costumes so I just guessed who the walrus was.

"While" I'm going have to remember that. It just bumped "Older" on my list of top three songs.

Tonight I fell asleep watching Benny and Joon, then some vampire movie came on after it. I dreamt about Jhonny Depp biting people.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I think my favorite Beatles story is the one about the time they played a game of "Who can get the most atrocious lie about themselves into the papers?" They'd tell some hapless reporter, well, an atrocious lie, and get a laugh out of it when they saw it in print. (Reportedly, George Harrison was declared the winner when he got someone to print that he was Cliff Richards' cousin.)

But the thing is, some of the atrocious lies eventually wound up in the serious histories and biographies. Ultimately, it means you've got to take practically everything they've said, and everything you read about them, with a grain of salt.

Two examples:

"The Day John Met Paul" is enshrined as an important moment in both their biographies. Ostensibly, they met when John's band played at a fete in Liverpool and a mutual friend introduced them. But several people in their social circles at the time are adamant the two of them knew each other before that point. So what really happened?

At the other end of their career, there's the story about how the Beatles were having a business meeting, Paul was coming up with ideas for what the Beatles should do next, and John said something along the lines of "I think you're daft...in fact, I wasn't going to tell you, but I'm quitting the group." Most sources put this meeting at sometime in September of 1969, quoting the participants in various ways...but a recent group biography puts this meeting in late 1968, after which the group, with John, carried on. Who's right? Everybody else?...or did the biographer have more solid information about the date?
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Okay, no offence but I'm over this whole Beatles thing. I was much more a fan of The Monkeys. I used to watch that TV Show with my friends and kiss the television screen. That Davie Jones was real good looking when I was, um.. five or so.

The Jonas Brothers have a TV show call Jonas, which is just a cooler version the Monkeys. I would kiss the screen, except that my five year old is watching.

I don't know what this whole Walrus thing is about, and I don't think it's that random.

RANDOM POLICE WOOooooOOOOoooo

 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
I dreamt about Jhonny Depp biting people.

That seems ... surprisingly in character to me for Jack Sparrow.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
BTW you ever get paid yet, Robert?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
In highschool I wrote a novel with my friend. (we are still writing together.) It was an opus to randomness. Well my buddy has a new girlfriend and he's been reading it out loud to her. It's odd hearing it, it's also funny that almost always we use their, they're, and there wrong. (And not consistently wrong either.)

I thought one of them got the papers to print that they mixed their father's ashes with cocaine and snorted it. Or perhaps that was one of the Stones or Aerosmith.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
BTW you ever get paid yet, Robert?

Didn't I mention it a couple of posts back? Oh, yeah, I did.

Don't know if the check cleared, though...tomorrow, when I've got some spare time, I'll see if I can find out.

*****

Oh, I'm a big fan of the Pre-Fab Four, too---would I have so many of their albums and the DVDs of their series if I weren't?

Sometimes, when I'm a big fan of whatever---written word or recording or TV show---I'll try to lay my hands on everything I can.

(Weird side effect with that---back in the 1970s, when I "took an interest" in things, if the person was alive, they died within a week. This happened with two science fiction writers and Elvis Presley.)

((Don't mention this to the Elvis fans...they have no sense of humor about it.))
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Does it seem to anyone else that this thread is beginning to lose steam?
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Steam? Steam? All it takes is more random musings and more chipmunks or guacamole covered guinea pigs or whatever to get this revived. Here is my varmint story for the day.

My office is in my basement. A squirrel spends a slice of his day down in the window well rooting around for who knows what. He (she?) lives underneath my deck and is pretty good sized for a squirrel. Did you know squirrels can run right up the plastered concrete of the window well? Straight up and out.

I have no desire to domesticate the thing. I have no idea how disease infested the little critter is. Luckily I live at a high enough altitude that there are no fleas.

Is that random enough?


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Lemme see, what's random enough? Oh...

My parents acquired a new cat. We saw him around the neighborhood, then he wandered up to my mother and demanded to be fed, then came inside their house...he lives there now.

(Or "she"---we're not certain. I will continue to refer to him as "him" till examination proves me wrong.)

One thing he seems fond of is, when I visit, he climbs up on my chest and sits there and licks my hand, often all the way up to the elbow.

Yesterday I was washing out my shirts and I found shedding cat hair all over one of 'em.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Anyone have an urge to give me a black eye in Salt Lake city? Now is your chance. I know this area has tons of hatrackers here. You'll find me in the Ford dealership off I-15 in Sandy today. We are showing off the new Ford Taurus.
So stop on by and give me an opportunity to talk you out of it. I'm one of the guys that drove the truck their.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited September 16, 2009).]
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
You sound like a radio advertisement, snapper!
I wish I was in SL. I have family there, but I'm clear across the country.

I thought random musings was running out of steam til people started talking about Jack Sparrow biting people, and now I'm right back into it again!
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
quote:
I wish I was in SL

But, I should clarify, NOT so I can give you a black eye.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
A few years ago my cat died, he was a great cat. Black Siamese, beautiful creature, terribly intelligent. Quite a leader too, he built an organization of neighborhood cats that kept the territory fights to a minimum.

Well anyways my neighbors got a cat, Black Siamese, the spitting image of my cat. (Which isn't surprising, my cat's father really got around.) The thing is I think my cat is haunting me through this cat. This cat is kindof a psycopath, and is quite stupid. (He's the only cat I've ever stepped on.) But sometimes, sometimes he gets this look in his crazy eyes and talks to me in just the right tone. And then he goes back to attacking the grass. (Also he snuck into our house once and walked around as if he knew the floorplan perfectly. He even went to where the food dish used to be.)
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Ah. I didn't read Snapper's entry until tonight or I would have drifted on over. Is it the dealership on 90th South? Will you be there tomorrow?
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
My cat is chatty, and I think he knows English. When I tell him I won't let him outside, he asks, "Why?" Once, the conversation went something like:
"Vic, you aren't going out."
"Why?"
"Because I said so."
"Why?"
"Because the dog gets too excited when you're outside."
"Why?"
"I don't know why! Go find something else to do."
He walked away muttering to himself.

When we give the cat a treat but aren't quick about it, he says, "Now!"

The oddest moments are when he thinks we've left the house. Then, he paces around the living room, crying, "A-lone!"

I wish I knew who trained him. He came to us through the animal shelter, who documented him as a stray.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've been associated with, mmm, ten different cats in the last, well, never mind how long. They varied about as much in mood and behavior as they did in appearance.

*****

I was just going over the first five pages of this thread...looks like we started out posting pithy one-liners, then expanded into lengthier notes.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Anyone care to give me a black eye in California? I'm going to be at Stanford University this weekend for a business doo-hickie.

I'll be the guy standing next to the water cooler who looks exactly like Brad Pitt (minus the good looks, charm, and general appeal).

[This message has been edited by Zero (edited September 17, 2009).]
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Sorry Owasm,

Salt Lake City yesterday, Carson City today. If I ever head that way again I will post for all to see.

Other opportunities for others to give me black eye.

Ft Collins, Co Sept. 21

Denver, Co Sept. 23

Witchita, Ka Sept. 25

Kansas, Ka Sept. 28

quote:
I'll be the guy standing next to the water cooler who looks exactly like Brad Pitt (minus the good looks, charm, and general appeal).

Now we know how you got that name, Z.

(That's how you get people to want to give you a black eye)

 


Posted by lbdavid98 (Member # 8789) on :
 
So I haven't been on a vacation in a while, and I thought I'd look at the travel agency at work to see what deals they had. After a while of perusing airline tickets and accomodations by themselves I decided to take a look at the bundle deals and that's where I found it:

A couple, sensibly attired in bathing suits, being served obnoxiously tropical drinks at a swim up bar. Now, that's the whole point of a beach resort, so that's not what caused this canniption... it was the waiter dressed from the waist up in a tuxedo. What is that? I mean, seriously... if you're gonna make the poor man swim for his gratuity, is a tuxedo really necessary?

(does this qualify as a random musing? i had to share it with someone and it's almost 2 AM here...)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I am not going to track any of you down 'cause of anything you've said here. I've never met any of you in the flesh, and...let's keep it that way, okay?

(I've known Kathleen for years before hanging out here, but I've never met her, either.)
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
We once had a cat who would say "Hellllo, is anybody home?" I think she learned it from someone she talked to on the phone. When the phone rang she would knock it off the base and talk into it. She also would ring to doorbell when she wanted in.

But all of that has absolutely nothing to do with the monster under my bed. (He keeps the dust bunnies in line.)
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
lbdavid98, sounds totally random to me.

We had a cat who would cry "let me-owt!" at the door, but that's really all she would say to us in words. The rest of the time, she'd just say "rrrmmm?" to us. To other cats, however, she had the foulest mouth I've ever heard.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The first cat we had would roll over on command.
 
Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
My neighbour had a cat in a box, we didn't know whether it was alive or dead, so it was kinda neither and both at the same time.

I can't remember his name, but he was a weird old guy.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Schroedinger. (Gezundheit.)

*****

Back on the Beatles for a moment...I read in one of the books, where John Lennon took up the guitar, and, it said, it took him two years to learn to play the guitar and to sing at the same time.

If I had known that were possible---if I had not thought that playing and singing at the same time was something you were born with, but rather something you could learn to do---I might have pursued music as a career.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Are you aware that a rollie pollie is not an insect. It is actually a crustation.

Hmm. Interesting. Wonder what it would taste like with garlic?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
They tell me today is Bilbo Baggins's birthday, but, so far, I haven't seen any mention of it in the papers.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I used to love playing with rollie pollies when I was a kid...and furry caterpillars and lizards and frogs and...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
This joke in a movie ad has been bothering me for the week or so the ad's been running. The movie is called "The Informant!"---yes, the title has an exclamation point---and the joke goes something like this:

The guy identifies himself as Agent Oh-Fourteen...when asked, he says it's because he's twice as smart as Oh-Oh-Seven.

Funny? Well, I thought so---more than forty years ago when I heard it in an episode of "Gilligan's Island."

Sometimes these promos for movies are loaded up with all the best bits in the movie---and how many of us have gone to a movie only to find out that was true?---and, if the best bit this movie can come up with is a stolen joke from a forty-plus-year-old episode of "Gilligan's Island," well, how funny can the rest of the movie be?
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
genevive42, did you ever drop ants into an ant lion cone? We usually have a few of those in our back yard.

(I'm told that some people call ant lions "doodle-bugs" and like to stir the sand around the top to get the doodle-bug to throw sand up from the center, thinking an ant is available.)
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I used to love to create streams and waterways and waterfalls as I'd water the strip gardens along the sides of our down-sloping back yard when I was a kid. My dad wasn't too happy with my digging in the garden, though.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
When I was about eight, I tried to dig a hole down to the center of the Earth. I got about 3 1/2 feet before I was discovered by my mother. My plan was foiled.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Everyone keeps telling me that I'm digging my own grave, but I swear I haven't picked up a shovel in years.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
philo, I did the exact same thing. Except my goal was much more ambitious, I was going to China!
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Since Sheena broached the bugs topic:

One evening last week we looked out the window and saw a praying mantis on the porch screen. I went out to get a closer look, but it was dead. When I went to pick it up, its abdomen pulsated, and then I realized it was full of maggots! It was a CSI moment, one of those scenes I hide my eyes for. I couldn't finish my dinner.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Ant lion cones and doodle bugs are foreign to me. I grew up in a suburb of Los Angeles and had a mostly cement back yard. We had a small garden and that was about it. And behind the baseball fields there was a little swamp area. I came to like the dragonflies that were there alot.

Once, my cat brought a dragonfly into the house and the body was, I kid you not, nine inches long. It got away from her and I performed a catch and release maneuver with a wicker basket.

I don't know if we have doodlebuge in LA.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I'd like to go to Alaska and to Australia some day.
 
Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
Wow, Kathleen, wouldn't that be a really long day. I think I'd go to Australia one day and Alaska perhaps on a different day. But I get really fussy if I don't get enough sleep.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Surely not in the same day, right?

*****

The farthest west I've ever been is Laramie, Wyoming, and that was over thirty years ago.

I don't plan any travel outside the borders of the United States. Travel arrangements seem more complicated than ever, and, besides, to get there I'd have to fly
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
and, since I posted before I typed this, I'll continue here...and I didn't want to subject myself to what went on in airports and planes before current regulations.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 

I'd like to spend a few days in each place, so they'd have to be different trips.

I've never been to Ireland, but I got very close when I visited the Isle of Man. I'd like to return to the Isle of Man as well as visit Ireland on some trip, too, some day (or set of days).
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
A week ago I went through Wyoming for the first time. That was state #49 for me. Only have Alaska left.

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Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Just got back from Sydney, Australia yesterday. Or, New South Wales as it says on all the postal stuff. Nice place, and worth a visit if you can get there.

 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Old joke retold by me:

I had the idea that, somewhere, somehow, somebody was having the exact same thought at the same time as me. I tried to call this person, but the line was busy.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I've noticed that I am the only one to have made anykind of post on hatrack for quite awhile. Could it be that I am the only one left? Could it be that I now rule Hatrack??

Ha, Ha! Bow before He Who Must Be Obeyed! I will use my power to fight evil (or good, whichever is easiest), promote all that is right, and edit extrinsics posts to make him look not so smart.

Now all I need are some minions...

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Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
All hail the great and mighty snapper!
 
Posted by Tiergan (Member # 7852) on :
 
Detroit won? Snapper's reign begins.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Detroit won? Wasn't that one of the Signs of the Apocalypse?
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
You're a Sign of the Apocalypse.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
What, no sympathy for my deeply disturbing bug experience?

Snapper, some might argue it does't count if you didn't stop anywhere in the state except a roadside restaurant or gas station. So what's your real count?
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Someone else's random musing:

xkcd comic - "Locke and Demosthenes"

[This message has been edited by aspirit (edited September 28, 2009).]
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
Snapper, some might argue it does't count if you didn't stop anywhere in the state except a roadside restaurant or gas station. So what's your real count?

I would agree that you shouldn't be able to count a place if all you did was land in an airport there and then take off for another airport.

But driving through a state for several miles, even if you don't stop for gas or at a roadside restaurant, should count for that state.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There's some video floating around these past few days---I don't have a link---of the Pope giving a speech while being crawled on by an Itsy Bitsy Spider...
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
I concede. 49 states it is. (After all, it is pretty cool. Why should I try to take away snapper's record? Spoil sport!)
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I have stopped, set foot, and conducted business (or sight seen) in all 49 states. In fact I have spent at least 24 hours in each one. Great nation we have here.

Let me consult the map and see what is teh largest metropolitian place I have never been to yet (not including Alaskan cities).
Either Great Falls, MT or Rapid City, SD. Other places I have yet to see or drive by...

Yellowstone
Key West
Plymouth Rock (or anywhere inside the cape)
Grand Canyon

I have also been to 4 Canadian Provinces, all four corners of the lower 48 (Homestead FL, Caribou ME, Blaine WA, and Chilua Vista CA.)

The farthest north - Thompson Manitoba (450 miles north of Winnepeg) note: it was in March

South - Brownsville, TX.


 


Posted by Marita Ann (Member # 8697) on :
 
I'm studying abroad in Ireland this spring!

And I have great sympathy for your bug experience, MrsBrown. It reminds me of a nature show I watched once that described this bug disease (a fungus, I think). The fungus paralyzed the bug and then grew spores out of its body. The show kept showing all of these ants and caterpillars with hundreds of little spores growing out of them in all directions, set to very dramatic music. Those were some very disturbing images. I still shudder when I think about it.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Just the other day I had a cockroach crawl out of my hair. A moment of surprise...a bit of shaking it off my glasses where it wound up...a couple of on-and-off hours of running my fingers through my hair wondering if there were any more...some extra hair washing when I got home...but no long-term trauma, I'd say. (How the damned thing got there, I still don't know.)
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Was that a Florida cockroach, or the standard half-inch cockroach?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
About the size of a fingernail and nearly the same shape...might've been a potato bug, not a cockroach, but I use the term generically for any gross brown bug crawling around, be it cockroach or cricket or potato bug, as opposed to silverfish or mosquito...
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Cockroaches have a certain connotation that I don't associate with most other insects. Many years ago I saw a rather large insect scurry across a floor down in Florida. I was informed that this beast was a cockroach. It was black, and it had to be an inch-and-a-half long!
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I was in Ghana and shared a hotel room for a night with a 3x2" cockroach. It was smart. It only showed itself when I didn't have any shoes on. Of course, short of wearing iron boots I don't know if I would've wanted to take it on anyway.

I decided that if it stayed on its side of the room, I would stay on my side of the room and we would both survive the night.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Back on the Beatle Box we were talking about a couple of weeks ago...this morning, I finally got through the last of the CDs and have listened to it all. Took awhile, in between everything else going on.

I think I will buy the mono Box, assuming I ever turn up one.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Facebook just went psycho on me.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Yeah and facebook chat is the worst programmed piece of drivel ever.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Thanks for the bug stories I'd have been traumitized by some of your experiences. My next-door neighbor swallowed a June-bug (beetle) in her coffee; she almost threw up. I could tell more--my childhood is rife with disturbing bug-related incidents. But I'm ready to move on.

Snapper, you must have so much in the pot for stirring up stories--do you draw inspiration from your travels?
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Marita Ann, that's so cool! Will you be in the city or country? When I think of Ireland, all that comes to mind is quaint little villages with goat carts, sheep, and men in kilts. And crumbling castles on deserted heaths.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I don't even know how to access it...but don't enlighten me. When I need to, I'll find out.
 
Posted by ScardeyDog (Member # 8707) on :
 
I almost swallowed a wasp once. It climbed into my can of coke and when I took a sip I felt something crawling around on my lips. Luckily I spit it out before getting stung.
 
Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
Does getting stung by a bee really help keep you from developing rheumatoid arthritis later in life?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Snapper, you must have so much in the pot for stirring up stories--do you draw inspiration from your travels?

One time while driving through the California desert did I get inspired. Came up with a cool hard sci-fi idea. i wrote it, posted it (in another crit site) and sent it to everyone I know. Never had so much negative feedback in my life.

The long drives will help me form ideas and lets me work through some scenes that are stuck in my head. teh problem is. like dreams, the ideas kind of disapate if you don't get them down.
 


Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
hey kathleen,
maybe we can organise a bootcamp in australia :EEK:
we would happily have you here!


 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
ScardeyDog, the same thing happened to me with a honey bee. I didn't get stung either.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I don't know why, but this event has caused me great shame and regret even to this day. After spitting the poor bee out of my mouth, I stomped on it. I don't know why; it was just my first instinct. It wasn't the first insect I'd ever killed by any means, but I instantly felt unjustified due to the fact that it never stung me.

 
Posted by Andrew_McGown (Member # 8732) on :
 
I once pulled up at a petrol station in a little town in outback Australia. It was midnight and it was the sort of place that serviced long-haul road trains. I had my wife and all the kids asleep in the car.

A big 4wd ute with spots and bullbars pulled up next to me while I was filling up. The tray was full of dead kangaroos. They were shooters, they were drunk and they were swearing and laughing at the top of their lungs. They woke up my kids who were clearly alarmed by the racket and the comments.

So I asked them ( there were three or four) if they would mind quieting down as I had sleeping kids in the car and we had come a long way and had a long way to go.

To my surprise they shut-up.

I paid for the petrol and left and the children settled back to sleep. It wasn't long before I noticed the ute behind me with its lights off. I sped up to put some distance between us and in response they whacked on their spotlights and chased me for a hundred kilometres.

They would speed up and draw right up behind me for a moment and then fall back only to do it again, and again.

We passed no lights, no houses, no other cars for a hundred kilometres. Just them, and me trying to keep my family from waking.

As we approached the lights of a big coal mine, they gave up and turned around. I can't imagine where they were going. Back I guess.


I have often thought about that experience as a sequence in a story. What if my car had broken down, a flat tyre, what if, what if... all grist for the mill.

[This message has been edited by Andrew_McGown (edited October 02, 2009).]
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
...the ideas kind of disapate if you don't get them down

Good reason for having some kind of audio digital recorder along--just speak the ideas into it. I understand ipods and other mp3 players have that capability.

Andrew, I think it would be cool to visit Australia, but since I don't do the boot camps, I wouldn't get to be the one to go do them. OSC may be interested, though. You can ask if he ever plans to do a boot camp down under (or any other questions you may have) on this page.


 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I was riding my motorcycle and something hit me just below the collarbone. It hurt. I wasn't wearing a jacket and it got wedged in between my skin and the collar of my shirt. I quickly grabbed the offending item and threw it away. When I felt it squish a little under my grip I realized it was a bee and that it had stung me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Flea bites used to irritate me...in our last round of animals in our family, the fleas were all over the place (despite none of the animals living here).

That's "irritate" as in "when bitten, my flesh would swell up and it would leave a tiny scab that would itch and ache for days," and not as in "annoy."
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
This is as good a place to announce that I won't be around for the next week or so---I've mentioned it here and there, but today's the day I actually leave, so I might as well bring it up again.

As I've said before, I "get away from it all" on these twice-yearly vactaions, and "it all" includes my comptuer and the internet and surfing the Web and all that cool hip talk I really don't understand. (Probably "it all" includes any writing, though, on rare occasion, I scribble down a note or type a page or two on the old typewriter I do take with me.)

So you won't see me here till, oh, next Sunday night at the earliest, but maybe not till the Tuesday after that...maybe longer if I go somewhere else beyond my immediate plans.

(Oh, yeah, my immediate plans. Atlanta, Charlotte, Atlanta again, then home.)

So so long...and abysinia!
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Oddly enough, where I live (altitude 4500+ feet) there are no fleas. They inhabit the environs of low landers.

There are ticks, but they are in much less evidence. The worst affliction my dog (may he rest in peace) was a seed that burrowed in his skin. It abscessed and had to be surgically removed. He had to have one of those ridiculous looking collars around his neck.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
WOW WHAT A LONG TIME

sorry all i just got out of the Hospital after 36 days in and out of conscious. i realy dont know what happened but i do know that i have a lot of "HAPPY PILLS" to take, so call off the search for me.

any way i just wanted to say I LIVE ONCE AGAIN.

Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
 


Posted by Marita Ann (Member # 8697) on :
 
Wow, one whole day without any random musings...

I'm going to be in Dublin. So that will be a lot of fun! I'm excited.

In other news, I had a sad experience in my fiction writing class this morning. A kid wrote a story entitled "Alien Blood" which was about a little girl who had AIDS, so her parents told her she had alien blood. Then of course the male narrator falls in love with her. It wasn't too bad of a story. But anyway, two of the people in the class, plus the professor, said that when they first read the title, they thought, "Oh, no, not science fiction!"

It made me sad. When I first read the title, I was thinking "Oh, yay! Someone is finally writing something interesting! Maybe we can avoid the dysfunctional love relationship story for once." Which didn't happen, but oh well.

So that pretty much ruined my idea to write a fantasy story for my next assignment. I don't think it will go over well. Guess I'll be writing for my audience...
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Reminds me of an aspiring science fiction writer years ago who expressed shock that some people out there referred to illegal immigrants as "aliens!" She had no idea that the word had only fairly recently been applied to extraterrestrials.

Sometimes connotation moves words into very narrow aspects of their denotations.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Marita Ann, I think you should challenge your fiction writing class. Write the story you want and do a darn fine job of it. Then challenge them to look at it on its merits rather than its genre. Don't let them push you around. And don't let your perception of what you think they want keep you from telling the story you want to tell.

Of course, this kind of attitude is why I don't work in the corporate world. I get labeled a trouble maker.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Yesterday I witnessed a car accident. No one got hurt, but I'm still shocked about that. I was driving behind the cab of an 18 wheeler and he was going to turn right on this narrow road. He had to get partially into the left hand lane to make the turn and a van driving the other direction stopped to let him. Well some kid in a huge pick-up came barrelling up behind her--didn't even notice she was stopped until the last second and he slammed on his brakes and skidded across the road and hit an enbankment going at least 55 mph. The whole truck flew up in the air, miraculously didn't roll and that was all. Lots of loud noise, flashbacks to all the accidents I've been in and witnessed, and the kid jumps out and throws his bumper into the back of the truck, and he's searching for other pieces of his truck while the trucker and I are the ones going into shock. Oh yeah--the van he almost hit? She just drove away, looking shaky, but still. I couldn't believe she would just leave. I think that freaked me out the worst.
 
Posted by Devnal (Member # 6724) on :
 
I've only been in 2 accidents and I have seen 1. Each experience seems almost surreal, I don't know if thats because of the adrenalin going or what, maybe just because it is such an out of the ordinary experience (for me atleast, not seemingly so for the young man in your incident).

As far as the lady in the Van - Maybe she left in shock? She didn't know what else to do, or what she was supposed to do, so just did what first seemed logical- keep on going.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
two of the people in the class, plus the professor, said that when they first read the title, they thought, "Oh, no, not science fiction!"...

So that pretty much ruined my idea to write a fantasy story for my next assignment. I don't think it will go over well. Guess I'll be writing for my audience...


I agree with G42. Not only that, if I were to hear such a comment, I'd make it as Asimovish, Nivenesque, Bradbury-like that I could.
I don't know about the rest of you but our chosen genre has taken about as bad of a rap as it can. It is unjustified. In my opinion, Sci-fi/fantasy/horror has the highest standards for publication their is.
Almost all of the romance you'll read is adverbed littered drivel. Most of the mystery's are filled with shallow characters and are, ironically, predictable. Action/drama's are so unbelievable they become dull. And the fiction they ply on Oprah that makes the best sellers list for weeks? Please, teh characters in them are as aloof as the authors that never need fresheners in their bathrooms.

You paid for the class, correct Mary Ann? Force feed them what you know, what you like, and what feels right to you. Challenge them to give a meaningfull critique other than 'I don't like Sci-Fi'. Writers are supposed to be opened minded. Don't hesitate to throw that in their face.


 


Posted by Marita Ann (Member # 8697) on :
 
Yeah, I might still write a fantasy story, not just to shock everyone, but because I want practice. All the stories I've written are "present day" type of stories. I think I've gotten off way too easy: it's not hard to describe a world that your readers are already familiar with.

The one thing I'm worried about is that writing something too heavily "speculative" might affect my grade. I don't think my professor would do it intentionally, but on the other hand, if he doesn't have a good framework for thinking about and grading fantasy, then I can imagine that it would throw him off. And of course I would love to spend hours and hours writing the best story ever so that he has to give me an A, but I am taking three other classes. Unfortunately. I'm considering writing lighter fantasy, like talking teddy bears or something.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
How about urban fantasy? A nice compromise.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Once you graduate, nobody cares about your grades.

Of course this differs if you have a grant or something that is GPA dependent.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
First of all I have been gone because I discovered Schlock Mercenary (http://www.schlockmercenary.com/)and decided to read it from the beginning. Didn't think I'd ever see a hard (relatively) sci-fi daily comic. Also didn't think I'd see a hilarious hard sci-fi story.

Anyways.

Everybody keeps saying challenge your class by writing a speculative story. I say challenge the class to write a speculative story.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
That's a brilliant suggestion Pyre Dynasty! Wish I had thought of it.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
my brain has fallen out of my head.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
According to my second grade teacher, water that gets in the ears shrinks the brain, and the brain can fall out after shrinking too much. She also claimed to have murdered talkative children by suffocating them with an old, moldy sock. Those unfortunate children were then buried under her filing cabinet.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Of course the latter isn't true or I wouldn't have survived second grade.

[This message has been edited by aspirit (edited October 12, 2009).]
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I lost my mind on main street, in second grade. I've been telling this story for years and now it comes together. (Having happy dreams of zombie second graders.)


 


Posted by Marita Ann (Member # 8697) on :
 
But I want to go to grad school, and they do care about grades.

Something else happened that encourages me to go ahead and write a fantasy story: Junot Diaz came to campus to do a reading, and we were required to attend for our class. He did a question and answer session at the end. When someone asked him something about science fiction, he responded with a little speech about how science fiction, fantasy, and other genres that people tend to think of as "junk fiction" (his words, not mine) actually contain some of the most honest treatments of humanity's uglier issues, like genocide for instance. Mr. Diaz said that he's learned a lot from books like Dune and Lord of the Rings.

The best part is that my professor was there too. I hope he learned something.

Second grade... that was a rather uneventful year, except that my two best friends moved away at the end of it.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Random Musings now accounts for 1/3 of all posts to Grist for the Mill.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Second grade was when I became a man.


 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Back when I sold cars, I knew a fellow who was schizophrenic and didn't take his medication regularly. Among the many interesting things he would say was the description of anything that didn't make sense (to him) as being "second-grader". Bad decisions were thus "second-grader" decisions. A person getting upset over something, which happens often at car dealerships, was acting "second-grader". This became a common term among the salespeople, half in tribute and half in mockery.

Now, most of my mental health clients are schizophrenic. Fortunately, I monitor their medication, so none of them act "second-grader".
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
I dont remember 2nd grade, then again i cant remember anything before 7th grade, and that is blury at best. Hell i cant realy remember being in Afghanistan and that was the funnest 15 months of my life and it was only a year and a half ago when i got back. i realy dont remember what i did yesterday and i was not drinking.

Damn memory, its failing me.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hey, I'm back.

My second grade teacher misspelled "peninsula." Or have I mentioned that before.

On aliens, illegal and the other kind...my big dictionary is about thirty years old, and the definition of "clone" in it involves plant cultivation, and does not mention what we would think of...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Second grade was when I became a man.

What were you before?
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Second grade was when I became a man.

How many times did you fail first?


 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
In answer to Robert's question, I was a sweet transvestite, from Transexual, Transylvania...uh-huh, hit it, hit it...

And in answer to snapper's question, I skipped first grade because I was so smart. It was second grade that was the killer.

I'll be here all week.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Couldn't you just do the Time Warp again?
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
so who beat me to time travle?

i need to get back to ancient Rome at around 462 time frame.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Robert, I just finished watching The O'Reilly Factor, and Steve Doocey (sp?) won the trivia challenge for a "Robert Nowell(sp?)". I'm sure there are hundreds; were you the one?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I saw it too...my parents asked me the same thing...near as I can tell, this Robert-pronounced-"Noll"-by-O'Reilly was from Winston-Salem, North Carolina. I'm resident in Cape Coral, Florida, and I pronounce my name in two syllables. (O'Reilly needn't know that---I can't recall any correspondence with him, but I have blasted off brief notes to Fox News on other matters.)

There are assorted Robert Nowells, Robert Nolls, Robert Knolles, Robert Knowalls, and Robert Noels scattered around. I seem to, at least, be the only active Robert Nowall who hangs around online. (There might be another one in England, not active online, but it may be a misspelling.)

(Far as I can tell, I'm related in some way to everybody with the last name "Nowall" in the United States.)
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
You watch The O'Reilly Factor?

Hmm...that explains so much.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I would prefer straight-up news at that hour, which is usually when I get up out of bed (but not this week owing to being on vacation). But even Headline News abandoned that...O'Reilly is merely the least-worst of the choices on hand.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I saw Rocky Horror Picture Show when I was in second grade. It was the most traumatic experience in my life up to that point. (I wasn't that young really but who am I to argue with Leit Motif?) Luckily, I have had way more traumatic experiences since then. (That sounds a little off I think.) Also Tim Curry was wearing a gallon of makeup so I didn't realize it was him so I could enjoy him in a host of other movies. (Like Congo, Home Alone 2, Pirates of the Plain, Oscar, Muppet Treasure Island, Clue, The Three Musketeers, et al.)


We should make a movie based on our random musings.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
And don't forget Curry's role in LEGEND. I think he played Tom Cruise's hair.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've seen Tim Curry in a lot of things, but "Rocky Horror" was probably the peak of his career. If you've got a part in your movie or TV series that requires an almost inhuman flamboyance and intensity, he's the guy for it.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
"And don't forget Curry's role in LEGEND. I think he played Tom Cruise's hair."

I bow down to the randomness of this quote. If there was an award show for randomness, this would be a nominee.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Not to detract from Rich's randomness, but Curry played "The Lord of Darkness" in Legend. I believe Cruise's mane was played John Franklin, who played Cousin Itt in The Addams Family movies. I believe Rich got confused with It from the Stephen King movie, in which Curry played the title role. I can clearly see the confusion though - Itt vs. It.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I stand corrected regarding the actor playing Cruise's mane. Now if I only knew who played Clint Eastwood's hair in DIRTY HARRY, I'd die a happy man. (A shock of hair in that flick; I think it had its own personal assistant.)

((And I have no idea why I suddenly have this fixation on men's hair. Best not to think about it too much, and hope it...blows away.))
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:
Now if I only knew who played Clint Eastwood's hair in DIRTY HARRY, I'd die a happy man. (A shock of hair in that flick; I think it had its own personal assistant.)

It was one of the Fry Guys--originally hired on as a stunt double--moonlighting.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
what were we talking about?

RFW2nd
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Cattle, chattel... chatter.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Chattel call...didn't Eddy Arnold do that one?
 
Posted by ScardeyDog (Member # 8707) on :
 
I'm afraid I have no idea who Eddy Arnold is. Hey Arnold, on the other hand...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I guess the Tennessee Plowboy lived and sung in vain, then...

Of course, I remember "Hey, Arnold!" fondly...I very nearly wrote fanfic for it...had a terrific idea for one, but I wasn't writing it at the time...but only a couple months later, I was writing fanfic for another show...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Clatter!

What's the point of this whole scavenger hunt thing?
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Clatter is much better. Thanks, Pyre.

Scavenger hunts, like all the best games, teach basic survival skills.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You guys realize we went a whole weekend without putting anything new up on this thread?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Hopefully that means we had a productive weekend. Can you imagine the force of nature that would be if everyone on this board had one productive day. They'd be talking about it for ages. (Of course They talk about a lot of things for ages, that's just how they are.)
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I was productive. I finally finished my WOTF submission. I'm debating whether to have anyone critique it first - it is a magnified version of the first story I ever wrote here and it has been fully critiqued three previous times. I'm about all critiqued out on it, and I don't know if my stomach, or head, could take anymore changes. My thought is to just toss it out there and see if it flies.

Any thoughts on the subject?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
As I posted in the "did you write?" thread somewhere over thataway, I'm going to cut back on excessive revision. It's taking too much time and it's not any fun. Fun is all I've got, and I'm having enough trouble getting any writing done while that drains off.

The best analogy I've got is that of chewing a piece of gum, over and over. Once, when I was a kid, I actually had the gum dissolve in my mouth...but under the strain of picking at them, my stories are just dissolving around me.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My computer, or my Internet connection, or my physical connection, or my whatever, has a serious case of the slows this morning...works for awhile, then every couple of minutes takes, well, minutes to load pages. I'm a-workin' on it...but today's the last day of my vacation, and I have to turn in early so I can get up and go to work...and I don't have as much time to fiddle with things.

I won't be back till tomorrow morning...maybe not then if I'm too tired...
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
hay i known about this for over a year but have been too lazy to tell you all about it.

i was reminded when my Microsoft Office Outlook reminded me when i went into it and a message poped up that said remind hatrack about this good comic. 1 year over due.

so here it is. enjoy.

http://www.dogsdaysofsummer.com/index.htm

Warning for mature audiences

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, my computer / Internet connection is fine today. Whatever it (or I) was doing it's (or I'm) not...or maybe whatever it (or I) wasn't doing, it is (or I am).

Then again, my computer was turned off from about 11:30 AM yesterday to 8:00 AM this morning...it's been on most of the time while I was on vacation...never underestimate letting something cool down.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
With posts I started called "dead" and "it was nice knowing you all" right next to each other, it makes me seem like a pretty depressing guy. Even though they were a year apart.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Trout!
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
man i just took 4 percasets and i think i am floteing.

wow i feel grate.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
For the record: Animal Crackers + Soup = Nasty as Hell. (That goes for Graham Crackers, too--especially with Vegetable Beef!)
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
IB, I believe they make an animal cracker that is more like a soup cracker instead of a cookie.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ah, but would you put animal crackers in your soup?
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
A young relative of mine happened to see that SHirley Temple film, featuring the song, and altered the lyrics to "lions and tigers take a poop" and, well, the song was just never the same after that.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:
"lions and tigers take a poop"

For the record, I wouldn't put that in my soup, either.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i put vodka in my soup. i like to think it makes it tast better.

and for the record i had my wisdome teeth cut from my head 2 days ago so i can only eat soup.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
InarticulateBabbler, do you have a account on Flash Fiction Online? i just googeled your name and thats what poped up.

and Yhaoo answers.

just wondering.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Yep. Im there. I don't use Yahoo Answers much anymore, but I have an account there, too.

I'm like a certain cartoon villain: I'm everywhere.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i see.

rfw2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Say, anybody yet bite on the Windows 7? I usually only upgrade when I buy new hardware, and take what software comes with it. Doubt if I'll do it, but I was wondering if anybody is, or is planning, or feels so badly burned they'll avoid anything Microsoft like the plague...something to discuss, anything to keep this thread going.

(I had to hunt down and look up what operating system I have. Windows XP, which is about two systems ago, I think. It does the job.)
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I certainly prefer XP to what I've seen of Vista. I see no reason to change. The fact that the netbook I bought, and most of them it seems, came with XP was a big plus for me. It works and I have no compatibility problems.

My boyfriend is saving for a laptop. I'm sure it will have Windows 7 when he gets it. I'll let you know what we find then.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
I just sent a sketch of an Orc to Scott Oden. He likes Orcs, and blogged about a new (Independent Film) Orc comedy coming out.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Windows 7 is a vast improvement over Vista. If you've got Vista, do the upgrade. If you've got XP, you'll want to probably stick with that as long as possible. Moving from XP to 7 requires a clean install (wiping the hd clean, then installing 7).
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
It's saturday! Wheeeeeee!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
One of these days, I've really got to back up my files...particularly my iTunes, where I've got about thirteen hundred more songs on it than when I last backed it up...

I never transferred most of the stuff on my old computer to my new computer...most of it was stuff I really didn't need, that cluttered up my files...one thing I regretted not having was a short and incomplete clip of a Ringo Starr video...but then I realized the clip was on iTunes and I downloaded the whole video...
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
All I know is that they did not improve the Chess Titans software that comes with the OS which is, sadly, abysmally bad.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I need to buy me one of those little netbooks soon so I don't end up with one with anything past XP. What I've seen of Windows 7 is nice, but it's better to fight the devil you know right?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Might as well drag this off the rails...it is supposed to be "random" musings, after all...

Some time during my vacation the (Comcast) cable company rearranged all the channels for reasons that remain obscure. (Supposedly it's to match up the channels in, if not the world, then the immediate area...but why this is necessary, I have no idea.) Some channels disappeared, some moved up to the digital tier and some moved down from it...some are at two or more places, in HD and regular.

It's extremely irritating. I'll flip through channels without thinking, and land on something I don't want to look at. And some of those channels were at those spots for as long as I have had access to cable, which is a pretty long time now.

I'm not enamored of Comcast for doing this---beginning of the year, I hooked into their high-speed computer thingy as well as switching phone services, and I'm not enamored of either of them, either---but I'm also not enamored of the thought of having to change anything. I'll wait and see what comes.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Does anyone have a tissue?
 
Posted by ScardeyDog (Member # 8707) on :
 
We're pretty sure my husband has Swine Flu, but he's doing fine now.
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
This is funny:

Favorite animals with Lightsabers

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Gezundheit.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Terrify Tissue
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
you know i was just listning to the song Dancing in the Moon Light by Kings Harvest. it sounds to me like they are Werewolves as well. now all i have to do is find them and see if they are long lost brethren of mine.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Yesterday I was trailed by a bounty hunter.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Oh? Is there a reward for your capture?
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I wish, I could use the money.

It's actually kind of a funny story. I was driving in my Minivan, listening to Radio Disney and asking my son what rhymes with cat, as I drove through a Walmart parking lot. This blue car pulls behind me and is following me really close, but come on I was driving in a walmart parking lot, that's where the crazies learn to drive, so I wasn't paying him very much attention.

I parked at my local Hastings, and the guy parks right next to my van and looks at me from the cab of his vehicle. He has on a cowboy hat and these bushy eyebrows and he looks at me and really smiles. This weirds me out, because as a wife and mother of two, people don't generally look at me that closely. So I get out of my car and tell my son to hold my hand, and the bounty hunter leaves his car, now ignoring me completely. He has on a vest, and as he enters the Hastings I see a shiney set of handcuffs open and ready dangling from his back belt loop, and then after the handcuffs I notice a handgun tucked into the back of his pants on the outside of his vest.

I get my daughter and look into his car, because I've always wondered what the inside of a bounty hunters car would look like, and there is another cowboy hat (a spare, I guess, in case his get's lost) and some redbull. On the passengers seat there's a piece of paper with a woman's face on it and some info. I guess some wanted woman drives the same van as me. I don't know though, I didn't stay to look too long. The man who owned the car did have a gun, after all.

Most exciting thing to happen to me in a while.

[This message has been edited by shimiqua (edited October 28, 2009).]
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Sounds like the beginning of a Joe Lansdale story, Shimiqua.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
quote:
He has on a cowboy hat and these bushy eyebrows and he looks at me and really smiles.

Yeah, I've heard things have been really tough for Imus lately - he must have started hanging around Dog after they both lost their shows.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I carved our family pumpkin with the Transformers symbol.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I drove for the first time in the parking lot of a Sears store...my father tried to teach me, but he didn't properly appreciate that I'd never driven a car before and didn't really know how to handle one. He promptly signed me up for lessons given by a professional.

(It didn't help that he got me out of bed at six Sunday morning to do it, either...)
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
My Hatrack Halloween is a Smearp. If anyone can figure out what that looks like feel free to picture me as one.
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
Happy Halloween!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'll be spending the early evening with the lights off...I have to sleep in the day, get up at eight PM, and go off to work at nine-twenty...I can't hand out the candy like it should be done.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
If you see a cheeseburger lying on the beach, don't pick it up, it has a hook in it, the fish have finally figured out the game and are starting to play it themselves.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Always prefered hamburgers without cheese, actually...
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
What about hotdogs or picnic baskets. It always worked for Yogi...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ah, hot dogs...I've never been able to get a hot dog as good as the ones I used to get from the King Kone stand in Fishkill, New York...

I think I've said somewhere in this terribly lengthy thread that the best french fries I can get are ones I make myself. Maybe there's a restaurant somewhere that makes ones as good or better, but I don't know where it is.

(Here's the recipe: Buy some kind of deep fryer or Dutch oven, the kind that comes with a basket to dunk it in, fill it with vegetable oil, heat to four hundred Fahrenheit. Be careful not to set anything on fire while doing this. Take about two and a half pounds of potatoes, half of a five pound bag, peel them and cut them up. Put them in the basket, dunk the basket in the hot oil. Pull them out and shake them every copule of minutes or they'll stick together. Keep them in until they start to darken and some start to float in the oil, usually around fifteen minutes. Take out and let cool for three or four minutes, longer if you worry about burning yourself. Eat.)
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Home made fries are far superior to most anything you'll find in a restaurant. You know why? because they make them with batter, which I think is a step too far from just cutting up the potato. It's like the difference between fish and fishsticks. A chicken breast and a chicken nugget. (I actually prefer fishsticks and chicken nuggets but not fry sticks, tater tots are good though.)

If it is beside the point than it isn't in the sentence.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
They also come sprayed with sugar to make them brown faster when fried.

I used to work at Burger King and Wendy's (and how did I ever survive that?) where I found that the product tasted pretty good---if you ate it fresh off the flame broiler or grill. Any sitting around, say, in the time it took to get a bag of burgers home, well, they were just awful.
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Two french fry alternatives.

Back them on a cookie sheet drizzled with olive oil and seasoned salt. Turn a few times. I don't know how hot the oven should be. My automatic fry maker (spouse) creates them.

Another technique is to par boil the fries to get them started. Make sure they are absolutely dry and then put them in the hot oil. They don't take as long to cook and they absorb less oil.

Again the details are sketchy. If my automatic fry maker gave me the secrets she'd have to kill me.

Then I wouldn't be able to enjoy the fries.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I think I'm going to
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
...somewhere after the preposition.

(edited to add the )

[This message has been edited by philocinemas (edited November 04, 2009).]
 


Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
...its time to read the blogs!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I posted my spaghetti recipe 'round here awhile ago...good thing I did, 'cause not long after I scrambled the diskette it was on.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
well I didn't
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Have you ever thought about how bad of an idea it is to make mint smelling markers? I think that might have been a major cause for the fact that I don't remember fourth grade.

.peels deeN
 


Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
I attended a Traffic Diversion this week with my 16yr old son.

He was not wearing a bike helmet (idiot) and got a ticket. A Traffic Diversion is Police-speak for Traffic school. But I am in the middle of writing a steam punk-romance short story where the MC (a proper young lady named Mercy) talks about being diverted so I sat for two hours while the officers (who ride motorcycles), one of which was british and did not speak Californian and the other who had managed to make it to adulthood and gods knows how many of these classes and still not know how to man a PowerPoint presentation go on and on. I do believe they resurrected several frames of blood on the highway. While I imagined Mercy and Horatio being diverted by their wonderful flying machine...wearing helmets, of course.

After class, I asked them what a Diversion was and they gestured around them and said "Well, this..." and then I asked why it was called a Diversion and they looked at me like two leather clad owls. Their boots were cool, though.

It was an odd week.


 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Missing the Boat
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I'm interested to learn this Californian language...what's it like? Is it easy to learn?


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's like, you know.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
And everything.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
This thread is slowing a bit. What will come first? Jan 1st 2010 or post 2010?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Dang now I want to do everything in my power to make sure the answer to that question is both.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Looks like you've got less than two months.
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
RE: Californian.

It's not really as simplistic as depicted by Pauli Shore in Encino Man, or as slick as Alicia Silverstone in Blast from the Past. Mr. Shore's dialect is really a derviative of Dude, which has roots in the Malibu surfer communities of the mid 70's. And Ms Sliverstone bases hers on the Galleria movement of the mid-80s so prevalent in the Valley.

Today's modern Californian, as observed in Northern California, is closer to a blending of LOL-speak mixed with cracker-rap as interpreted by over indulged white boys. Most communication no longer happens verbally but only via txt.

Examples include:

"Dude, Mom. I didn't cut that class I was just hanging." (single example of verbal communication)

"I feelin bad and none of my classes r doin anything. Can I come home?"

"U r a dwb" (this was in response to a negative on the above)

I have discovered that removal of the cell phone, X-Box and computer (where WOW is played) results in a slow resumption of normal communication.

8)


 


Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
quote:
I have discovered that removal of the cell phone, X-Box and computer (where WOW is played) results in a slow resumption of normal communication.

/agree
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"Californian" makes me think of the ship that didn't come to the rescue of the Titanic.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I thought that was Icelandic whale poachers.
 
Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
When I think Californian I get this strange fusion of gang members with funny teeth and uzis in old cars with shiny wheels, The Beach Boys and palm trees, and the Hollywood sign.

Which is funny, because I spent some time in LA and the actual memories of that time was concrete, traffic, and more concrete.

And as for X-Boxes and WoW... one of these days I should disconnect my internet for a month as a social experiment and see what it does to my home life. Maybe those brain cells WoW ate will grow back and my productivity will no longer look like this:

http://www.explosm.net/comics/383/
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Never been further west than Laramie, Wyoming. And that was nearly forty years ago.

Never got into games. I kinda bought my first computer to try out a video game of "The Simpsons," but everything else I loaded onto it was either (a) free, or (b) associational with something I was interested in. By the time I bought my second computer, I hadn't found any games I was so interested in that I thought it was worth downloading...most of the downloads since then have been music-related, i. e. maintaining and adding to an iTunes program.

Not that my social activity, or even actual writing time, has gone up from not doing any of these extracurricular activites...
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
In your bra!

Wait, sorry, think I'm in the wrong thread.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I like adding "At Walmart." to the end of fortune cookies.
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
I stopped watching TV about 9 months ago and I think my IQ has increased but I also found that I don't know what anybody at cocktail parties is talking about anymore.

I'm OK with that.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I've heard that learning to juggle is the best way to increase your IQ.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I tried "Juggling for Klutzes," but without much luck. I did better with "Harmonica for the Musically Impaired," or whatever it was---I'm more musical than I am coordinated.
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
I just finished using tubs and tubs of penetrating epoxy and bondo to repair a rotted exterior beam. That stuff is nasty- mostly the bondo the epoxy does not smell as toxic.

I think I lost all the IQ points I gained from not watching TV.... 8(


 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Wow. This must be the longest stretch yet witout a post.

Governemnt regulations, bah-humbug. I am nowhere (Wells, NV) forced to sit here until Sunday morning. It is snowing outside. Blizzard.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I like to hold back until somebody else says something.

*****

Come to think of it, I do have something to say.

Last month, after a bad hangnail experience, I decided to let that fingernail grow long...then started letting them all grow long. Twasn't easy, being an inveterate nailbiter, but I managed...somehow. Yesterday I trimmed them a little, but...

How can you guys with long nails stand it? I'd rub my eyes or scratch an itch and damned near draw blood. They poked me when I didn't expect it. I worried constantly about getting things under them. What gives?
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I feel awful.

While I was sitting watching football in the drivers lounge of a truck stop in the middle of nowhere a driver noticed that I was on the net and started to ask me questions about the shooting at Ft Hood. Now I know it was a week ago but hey, some people really try to disassociate themselves from all the bad news. You really can't blame them. Well, this guy just heard from home that a kid he knew back in Indiana was one of the ones that was murdered. I pulled up todays news and the Sgt he knew as his neighbors son was the first person mentioned in the story. This poor guy crumbled right before my eyes.

It feels as if I did something wrong. I know that is illogical but it is still a feeling I cannot shake.
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Don't feel bad, snapper. If it were you (assuming, because if it were me), you'd want to know. Even if you really hoped it wasn't true.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Being the "messenger" is such a complicated thing.

Commiserations, snapper.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Is the medium the messenger?
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Snow outside.

Even so, it's too early for Christmas songs on the radio.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
In the last forty-eight hours, I've heard "Adeste Fidelis" and "You're a Mean One, Mister Grinch." (Of course, they were on my iPod, playing in random order.)
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Thanks IB and KDW.

NOw I know how those poor telegraph delivers must have felt in WWII.
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Just because.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
My daughter threw up today,all over her purple shirt and in the mall. Luckily it was outside the mall, unluckily I had no other shirt to put her in. So I had to zip her up in a red jacket and she was almost sweating the rest of the time in our 80 degree weather.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Oh, it's ON, baby!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29001524/
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Thank you rich for enlivening our random musings, I was about to put a stake in it's heart and consider it dead for maybe good.
And then you have to post that Stephen King say's that Stephanie Meyer can't write worth a ****.

My comments are based only on what the article said and in no way reflects you rich. It only sounds that way.

I think it is obnoxious the way every would be writer has to bash Stephanie Meyer. I know she made mistakes, like "shhh" she hushed and everything. But come on. Twilight was her first novel. The very first novel she ever wrote, and I bet if you dug into your bag of tricks and pulled out your first novel, there would be a few minor mistakes in it. I know there are in mine.

Second off, Steven King must feel threatened or something, or Oh yeah... he has a book coming out. Let's bash the most popular book out there and remind people how well he can write.

I think the article is just a publicity stunt used by the man who hocked his new book on The View.

Personally, I wish he would have taken the Orson Scott Card route and spoke kindly. Then, when the fad fades away, and Stephanie Meyer has to stand on her own skills as a writer, she can either fade away with the fad, or show everyone why so many people have bought her books. Steven King calling her out as just a fad, might come back to bite him on the butt now that she has more power in publishing than he does.

And third off, if a publishing house bought her book, and she actually can't "write worth a ****" then, Sweet! There is hope for me to be published too.

So maybe we should think positively that the next big fad out there will have one of our names on it, and think how we would react if that happens. Steven King, I'm disappointed.
~Sheena

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Tell King his writings are so overloaded with words that it's a wonder they can stand up on their own, and that the idea for his latest sounds like something he lifted from The Twilight Zone---which wouldn't be the first time he did. Some guys just can't stand that others can be successful, in sales or artistic standards.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
If you read the entire article, you might notice he admits Meyer writes well for her target audience--teenaged girls and timid adults. That's not the audience he cares about, so it's not surprising he would bash a writing style that appeals to its members.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I don't think Stephen King has written a decent book in quite awhile, but a couple of things:

He never called Meyer out as a fad, and I don't think he's jealous of her success. It's just the guy's opinion. Obviously a few of you don't share his opinion, and that's cool. But I think you're attributing motivations to him that are not possible to gauge from that snippet.


 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
If I were to one day be able to successfully emulate one or the other - I would choose King (I would rather make millions and be respected, than possibly make billions and be mocked by my peers).
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
David Farland (Wolverton) was Stephanie Meyer's teacher (as well as Brandon Sanderson's) and he has about the same amount of appreciation as King for her prose. Essentially, she tapped into the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" market as it was dying, so she caught all those residual fans.

You want to make a mint? Write a door-stopper about a couple of angsty witch-sisters....Do that with "Charmed".

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited November 21, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've given King's works a pass for, oh, about five or six years, I think. The only thing of his I read regularly is his occasional column in Entertainment Weekly...where I thought he puts an unusual amount of arrogance forward, something that's shown up elsewhere in his nonfiction, that didn't when I first started reading his stuff.

I think it comes across that he was once one of the sheep, and now he thinks he's the shepherd.

(I had to check the spelling of "shepherd.")
 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
I'm waiting to post post 2000--I did post 1000--get a move on.
 
Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
ha...i'm waiting for post 100,000 for open discussions but I think kdw should post that one
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ya gotta know when to post 'em...know when to host 'em...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
know when to fall alseep . . . know when to slum.


Sorry I just heard the ghost of Kenny Rogers singing those words to me. (And before you tell me Kenny Rogers isn't dead look at a picture of him recently and look at one of him ten years ago. One of two things happened, horribly botched facelift or he died and they replaced him with a phony.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A lot of celebrities have had horrific facelifts...some of whom deny ever having had one. (The last time I saw Cher, she looked like she could have played the lead part in Mask and not the supporting role she did play. Her surgery is said to have ended her acting career.)
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Some feel the need to take things off, some feel the need to put things on.
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Some feel the need for others to take things off. Some feel the need for others to put things on.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Some feel the need to do unto others. Some feel the need to have others do unto them.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
What do you call and African American kid with two Asian parents?

Sum Ting Wong
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
IB, five fantasy bucks says you get censured.

However, at least people got your joke, mine required too much thought in relation to the previous post.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Answer for IB: adopted?
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Oh sure, take the easy answer.

(I still like Sum Ting Wong.)
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I like it, too, IB. I'm stealing it.

I was going to post the link for a site that is all about bad facelifts, but just took a gander at it, and I don't think it'll pass the smell test here. (And I had to gouge my eyes out after looking at that site, and I've seen just about everything...)

I'm now blind and mylk klj;aew aval lkeaerlkvals .
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
All right, IB, here's your five fantasy bucks - $$$$$ - don't spend them all in one place.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
What did the American man say to the Middle Eastern man who was shaking out a carpet?


(What? Can't get it started?)

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited November 24, 2009).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Are we making ethnic jokes to pad this out? Well, an Englisman, a Frenchman, and an Arab walk into this bar.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Does anyone know the biggest difference between Cher and her daughter?
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
This is the quote I'm living my life for now:

"With a plan and a monkey, a man can do anything."

It is so true. I'm learning so much by watching Curious George with my kids. I saw that monkey conduct an orchestra!!?? And he's really not a monkey, either. He's a chimp, but he'll always be that crazy monkey to me.

The only other thing that kinda freaks me out is Martha Speaks. Apparently if you give your dog vegetable soup, the letters go to the dog's brain instead of her stomach. Genius!! The thing that really freaks me out, though, is that this dog can carry on quite the conversation and no one blinks. I so seriously want to see the episode where some slacker drops acid, and meets Martha.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
What do you call a dehydrated Frenchmen?

(Pierre)

*I think I said this one here before.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Okay, no more ethnic jokes.

Also, no dumb blonde jokes.

I'm not even sure I like the idea of "people who don't write" jokes, though I can be convinced.
 


Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
how about wife jokes? I posted one in another thread earlier...I heard no laughter though
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Does anyone know the biggest difference between Cher and her daughter?

Then, or now?
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
After they each had a "face" lift.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Let me be the first to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving.

This has always been one of my favorite holidays, this year it won't be. I have never missed one. This time I will be 2500 miles away. My wife tends to stress out during holidays, especially when it involves traveling to someone elses house, a few times in the past she elected to stay home. My daughters enjoy the trip up to my moms but who knows what will happen this year.

Man I sure do hope everything goes smooth. I hate getting those calls with an angry woman on the line with crying teenagers in the background.

Enjoy your day everybody, and route for the lions for me. I could use the good news of a rare victory.
 


Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
Happy thanksgiving to you too, and everyone else. For those not celebrating it, happy thursday.

[This message has been edited by Dark Warrior (edited November 25, 2009).]
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Happy Thanksgiving Day.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Happy T-day. May the gobbler be with you.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Beside you, not inside you. Poor turkeys.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Doing Thanksgiving this year meant getting to bed about three hours late---'cause I still had to get up at eight PM to be at work at ten PM. I made it, but I don't enjoy doing it. (By the way, work was a disaster.)
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I didn't have to work on Thanksgiving but I did have to work the day after, so no early morning shopping trips for me.

(I wouldn't have gone shopping even if I hadn't had to work, too dangerous)
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I got up on Friday at 2am, showered, and drove 30 minutes to Best Buy with plans of getting a new Sony laptop. There were already about 200 people in line. I stood there in the cold for 2 hours waiting outside of Best Buy. When I finally got inside, I found that the laptop I wanted was sold out. There were already about 70 people in line for laptops. I got a few movies and stood in line for another 45 minutes to get out of the store. Fun, fun, fun!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Years ago, not thinking of the consequences, I went out to the mall on Black Friday to buy a pair of shoes. [shudders] Never again.

I went to the supermarket on this past Black Friday. Nobody's in the supermarkets.

My brother was going out to try his luck on Black Friday, but I haven't heard how things worked out.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Oh I'm a big Black Friday Aficionado, this year We-Are-Toys opened at midnight, and that threw everything off for everybody else. You see We Are Toys is a three hour commitment if you are in first third of the line, six hours if in the second third and so on. Now the sharks knew that they could get in and out in time to go to their second store, usually We Are Toys is the only one you go to, if you do go. (Even if you decide not to buy anything you have to fight to get out of the store.) So a bunch of the people who would have normally been stuck in a brightly colored building full of toys were instead free to get in line at Chest Guy and Bullseye and K-Ma-Part and Wal-Ma-Part and copSho and Old Lady. (Normally I wouldn't even look at the Old Lady add, but they had a free Lego Rockband on the docket, and I do mean to use the singular there.)

Speaking of another thing in which I am an aficionado, kid's shows. I love Martha Speaks, my favorite parts are when people don't actually believe a dog is talking to them so they jump to different conclusions which are much more absurd. I also love Word Girl, I'd like to get those on DVD. That show has more narrative than I've seen in a kid's show in a long time. Curious George has it's good moments, (and a lot of them are quotable) but it is strange to me that half the time they live in the country and run a farm and the other time they live in the city. About the only one I don't like is Super Why, I usually like new takes on nursery rhymes and such but they screw them up so terribly I can't stand it. To solve the conflict in a story they rewrite the story so there is no conflict. Instead of the wolf chasing red riding hood dressed as grandma the wolf hugs red riding hood and then they play on the swings together. So basically they take a story and turn it into a non-story. It really bothers me.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I'm a big WordGirl fan, too. Reminds me of the old Electric Company show way back when Mel Brooks, Joan Rivers, and Morgan Freeman were regulars.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I like a lot of what are ostensibly children's shows---either it's a sign of second childhood or a sign of never having left first childhood. Most of my current favorite movies are animation...most of what I watch on TV are cartoons...most of the channels I flip to when bored with the news are channels for children. (But not entirely. I can't figure out how something like Disney or Nickelodeon can put on animated fare that's so good, while putting on live action stuff that's so lame.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Five or six pages ago, we talked about the Beatle Box, the new remastered CD bodybuilder package that came out in September. I bought one that first day and enjoyed listening to it over the next couple of weeks; I found the stereo separations to be interesting and nostalgic-making and all that...I haven't yet downloaded any to my iPod (the older versions are already there), but probably will at some point.

Yesterday in Best Buy I happened across the Beatles Mono Box, and bought one and brought it home. (I would have bought it sooner but I hadn't seen it, and didn't know any were in the store.) This is another package---the other box contains stereo mixes and this one contains (mostly) mono mixes. Arguably, these are the proper and correct mixes, the way the Beatles intended their work to be heard---the Beatles spent more time on mono mixing and often handed the stereo mixing over to other hands and ears. Mistakes were made from haste. There are a lot of difference between mono and stereo versions, some almost amounting to different takes.

So far, I've only had the time to listen to one, but I did catch a long-talked-about difference---in the mono version of "Please Please Me," John Lennon doesn't blow the last verse, as he does in the stereo version. I look forward to running through these, and maybe later adding them all to my iPod as well.

(Or almost all..."Revolution #9" is still off my list, and I still have to figure out how to make most of Side Two of "Abbey Road" into one big single track.)

((Also by the way, you won't find "Yellow Submarine," "Abbey Road," or "Let it Be" in this package---they were exclusively mixed for stereo. The latter two are omitted...mono mixes of the four original songs for "Yellow Submarine" are included in this package's version of "Past Masters." (Later only-stereo singles are omitted as well.)))

[edited 'cause I meant "Revolution #9" and not "#1"]

[This message has been edited by Robert Nowall (edited December 02, 2009).]
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Ah, good old Revolution #9, Yoko Ono's way of saying she's really the fifth Beatle. (Although she would probably count as the sixth or seventh depending on where you put George Martin and their old drummer.) This is the reason I have a "Good Beatles" playlist.

Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, All Work And No Play Makes Jack A Dull Boy, No TV And No Beer Makes Homer Something Something Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine . . .
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Now the truth can be told. I am the fifth Beatle.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
So your real name is Clarence?
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i was gone for over 30 days and no one thought to organize a resque party?

i had to bribe the janiter of the nuthouse to smuggel me with the trash for $,5000.00.

and i jumpt a train back to las cruces and hitch hike back to WSMR.

damn.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
xxx

[This message has been edited by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (edited December 03, 2009).]
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
The time has come for me to say...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Don't be shy. Speak up.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
The random musing stopped with the ellipsis.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There were some things mankind was not meant to know.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
There were flowers that were never meant to grow.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
From wild seeds I never meant to sow.
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
Yippee! It's friday!
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It won, the dog I hadn't meant to show.


On an unrelated note does anybody know the significance of: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. Because that's my new favorite sentence.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Are we rhyming phrases that end in "ow?"
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
No.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
He didn't already know?

Here's another musing. Personality strengths can transform into weaknesses during the writing process. Pacifists struggle to write fictional conflict. Ponderers are tempted to see every word as flawed and edit endlessly. Truth-seekers recoil from presenting layers of secrets kept by characters. I like to dream that every weakness may be improved, though.
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
And now I have to go.


I wish I some witty and insightful musing to go here.....
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Whoah!

In the Internet fanfic community I used to hang out in, we had a rhyming contest with different rhymes to "ain" / "ane" / "ayn" etcetera. (It rhymed with one of the main characters' names.) The thing lasted for months, and I could always come up with another one.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
What is that nice green glow? (Actually at first we were trying to stay pretty close to the whole structure of the never meant to know line. But mutation is natural.)

I'm a pretty easy going, calm, optimistic person and yet everything I write tends to be genocide, disease and murder, not usually in a nihilistic way. (Although there is this one story where everyone dies.) I try to write happy things but it always turns down a terrible road.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
when i was in the loony bin i was dared to run through the halls stripping off my cloths yelling the Canadaians are comming.

i got $80.00 for it and a happy shot and the I LOVE ME JACKET.

any way my buddy was palying Modern Warfare 2 and the first misssion was giving me flash backs to Afg. looked just like Kandahar.

i could not sleep that night

RFW2nd


 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Stay away from war games, Rommel. You have enough to worry about as is.

I shoveled my driveway for the first time tonight! I feel so grown up.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
it snowed in White Sands the day. i for got to say that.

i try to stay away from them. actialy i dont realy play games anymore.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The one good thing about living in this hothouse hellhole that is Florida is that you don't have to shovel snow out of the driveway. This pales in comparison to the yardwork you have to put in, though...

(For the record, where I live, it has snowed, twice, since I got dragged down here.)
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I'm the same way Pyre Dynasty. I've been reading Gail Carson Levine lately and thought it would be fun to rewrite a fairy tale.

I started with "Once upon a time," and ended with the prince and princess killing each other and burning down the castle.

Good times, good times.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Sheena, I'm sure Gail Carson Levine would love to hear that.



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"Once upon a time..."

Great opening, right?
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I feel like chicken tonight, like chicken tonight.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
We're having our first real rain storm of the season here in Los Angeles. It's true, Angelenos don't know how to drive in the rain. It's smart to leave a little extra following distance so as not to get caught in their mayhem. However, you can't leave too much or someone will dart in front of you. It is a game of finesse and balance that we play every day but it becomes much more challenging when people are doing stupid things in the rain.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i am in the middle of the desert right next to Mexico and it snowed some one help me figure that one out. it was 100+ in the summer.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
I saw more snow during my years in a California desert than I saw during my years in the Cascade mountains. The uneven El Niño periods during those years might have contributed, but still, it's an example of how deserts aren't always hot, dry places.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
...try Chicken Delight.
 
Posted by ScardeyDog (Member # 8707) on :
 
I'm jealous of those of you living in Florida and LA right now. It was - 38 C (- 36 F)this morning with the wind chill. Yay winter!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
When it rains in LA, it's important not to panic...just keep in mind that those fluffy white things in the sky are called "clouds" and those distant brown things are called "mountains."
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Those distant brown things you called 'mountains' look like some giant baker came along and dusted them with powdered sugar. The sky is absolutely clear blue and sunny today. The Hollywood sign is clean and easily visible.

It's chilly now at 2:40 pm (55 degrees F)and is supposed to be very cold (37 degrees F) tonight. This is about as cold as it ever gets here. (Of course there are other areas of So.Cal. that get colder but I'm speaking for here in the middle, well, West Hollywood.)

I feel for you ScaredyDog and anyone else that's freezing their tuckus off. We only have a few days of this cold and that's plenty. I don't know how you do it.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
quote:
i am in the middle of the desert right next to Mexico and it snowed some one help me figure that one out. it was 100+ in the summer.

It's called global warming buddy get used to it. Just remember whatever happens it's global warming's fault. Whether it gets cold or hot or somewhere in the middle it's global warming's fault. This morning I slept in so I couldn't scrape the road before noon, somehow that's global warming's fault. (Just having fun here, don't sic global warming on me.)


I love the snow, but the van I have right now sucks in the snow, and I have to park in the road because I work nights. (So I don't box in people who need to leave in the morning.) This is going to be a trying winter.
 


Posted by Teraen (Member # 8612) on :
 
First snow of the year in Michigan today. First time posting on this thread, too.

I feel so fulfilled.

Anyone know how to make baklava?
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I know where you can get some great baklava. A meat market in Union Lake Michigan has outstanding and fresh baklava. Their meat is first class too.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"Where's the global warming? It's freezing in here."---Bob Dylan
 
Posted by ScardeyDog (Member # 8707) on :
 
It was - 43 C this morning. Just thought I'd keep you all informed.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Around here, snow sparkles like innumerable crystals, each containing a tiny rainbow. Its beauty doesn't quite compensate for its attitude, though. The stubborn stuff won't hold together for snowball fights and snowman-making. It's too dry.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Wow, Scaredy Dog.

If it's -43 deg C and you walk into a room that's 0 deg C does it feel warm?

As for me, I look out at a snow covered landscape as well. It nearly hit 0 deg F last night. Gotta watch out for water pipes. I guess when it's -43 deg C you've gotta watch out for breathing pipes.

That is all...
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
It's cold here too. I think the high only got to 60! I had to put on a jacket when I went outside and my poor daughter doesn't even have a coat for the mornings.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It was a balmy eighty-something here in Florida yesterday...it's supposed to cool down some today and tomorrow.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I have these huge picture windows in my front room, and sometimes while I am typing, I can get a sunburn. Impressive thing to do when today the temperature hit a friendly five degree's.*

~Sheena

*The above statement is a lie, but I will make you guess which parts are true and which parts are fiction.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Its a COLD day in Hell when a Werewolf has to eat vegetables. and when it snowed in El Passo and White Sands i was eating vegetables, out of exception of corce.

ANY WAY.....

Walt Disney is going to PAY (with the body of Walt Disney him self....) if they excuse my russian **** up TRON.

http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/tron/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxolhNz6n4o

Rommel Fenrir Wolf THE SECOND
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
It was eighty degree on Thanksgiving and I thought that was too hot. I kind of like this cold weather. Usually my sweaters sit in the closet and gather dust which is sad because I love wearing sweaters. The 70's are predicted for next week, goodbye sweater weather.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
It's raining, it's pouring,
The old man is snoring,
Went to bed,
Lost his head,
And couldn't get up the next morning.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It was a dark and stormy night...
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
I really HATE Christmas.

It's not a casual you go your way and I'll go my way thing either. If I saw Christmas on the street I wouldn't cross to the other side, I'd get right up in his face and say mean things like "Your socks don't match." and "The easter bunny can totally take you."

I want it to be January 1 so all I have to worry about is paying my taxes.

Christmas sucks.

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I had in mind a particular gizmo to give someone. I saw it in a store while on vacation last May...but when I went up in October the store was closed. Their online catalog didn't have it. And I have yet to see it elsewhere.

Ah, well, there's always next Christmas.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Robert, what was the gizmo? Maybe we can help?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
An electric flyswatter. Looked like a small tennis racket.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Here's one on Amazon,, though there were a bunch listed.

http://www.amazon.com/iTouchless-3-Layer-Portable-Electric-Mosquito/dp/B000EJVYUC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1260735461&sr=8-3

Even if the store was there it might not have had the electric flyswatter. I'll bet it's a seasonal item. You might try your local hardware store too.

I once tried to buy a garden hose at the drug store (Sav-on, at the time) on Thanksgiving and was told it was 'seasonal'. Mind you, I'm in Los Angeles and it was 78F and sunny. I can only attribute this to the corporate idio..decision makers being back east and their brains being frozen. (No offense to any of you who actually live back east. You're here on Hatrack so obviously your brains aren't frozen.) Why they don't have regional managers making the product decisions for their areas I'll never know.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Slush falling from the sky in blankets! The absolute horrors! But I love snow and love forgives.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm not gonna take a chance on a Christmas order...too late in the game. But my brother's birthday is coming up in March...or maybe I can just get it, post-Christmas, and give it to him.

Or maybe I'll see one somewhere 'round before Christmas. There's always a chance, isn't there?
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Rommel Fenrir Wolf II, I think we'll pass on the YouTube videos, especially if all they are is commercials (and poorly done ones at that).

Thank you, anyway.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
On "seasonal"...I find it more of a "clothing" thing and less of an any-other-product thing...but down here in Florida it's impossible to find a really good warm sweater.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was perusing my copy of The World Almanac and Book of Facts: 2010---I get a new copy every year 'round the time it comes out, which is usually November or December---and I ran across this fact. Pages 44-45 are "Historical Anniversaries, 2010," covering things that happened one hundred years ago, fifty years ago, and twenty-five years ago. This time around the dates are 1910, 1960, and 1985, respectively.

On page 45 under "1985 - 25 Years Ago," there's an entry for "Literature." They list seven titles, among them Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game

To find that title listed there, among the other titles, amuses me no end, and I felt the need to share it with all of you.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
but they are extreamly funny. or so i thought.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Our kitten/cat (newest family member) has stripped all of the ornaments from our Christmas Tree. 3 times. All we have now is a star on top that flashes from green to blue. You'd think it'd be green and red, huh?
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Has the kitten/cat knocked the tree over yet?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We gave up putting stringy tinsel on our Christmas trees because our first cat---well, I'd better omit the details. You never know how scatological humor will go over...
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
quote:

Has the kitten/cat knocked the tree over yet?

The tree is in a corner, guarded closely by two pieces of a sectional sofa--so closely it can't fall--but the little b@st@rd get it a-rockin' like it's in the midst of a tornado. He's at the age between kitten and adult that consists mostly of yowling, spontaneous spaz attacks and biting-and-clawing everything paper-related.
 


Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
I found a single sentence in Moby Dick - Melville, that has 234 words in it!
 
Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
Query; What do hamster feet smell like again?
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I know what mouse feet smell like, but it's a secret.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
IB, solution to your problem. Spray bottle full of water. When the tiny-terror on four legs even looks at the tree squirt away!
The water won't hurt it but the negative reinforcement does wonders. A half a dozen soakings should do the trick.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Snapper, we've tried it. The thing likes water--actually jumps in the tub!

It's all Marie Antionette's fault.
 


Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
Hey... how doya do those cool lookin quote bar thingys?

Edit; Uhhm... please!

[This message has been edited by dougsguitar (edited December 15, 2009).]
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
Just edit the post that has the formatting you're interested in. You won't be able to save your edit, but you can see the original markup.


 


Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
quote:
Just edit the post that has the formatting you're interested in. You won't be able to save your edit, but you can see the original markup.

You mean like this?
edit; got it... thanks!

[This message has been edited by dougsguitar (edited December 16, 2009).]
 


Posted by Marita Ann (Member # 8697) on :
 
I have an electric fly swatter! My grandparents brought a bunch over from the Netherlands years ago, but I'm sure you can get them here. They're lots of fun. The only thing is, you have to make sure you actually kill the fly when you shock it. A lot of times the shock just temporarily paralyzes it.

During my geology final yesterday, I realized that I could actually make the landscape in my novel make geological sense. I had to turn over a piece of scrap paper and map out the events that led to the world being the way it was. It was great. If you want inspiration for physical world building, I highly recommend taking a geology class.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Somehow I forgot to click onto genevieve42's link to Amazon-dot-com till today...the item seems to be slightly larger than the one I saw, but it would definitely do for what I want. And it was cheaper, too...I may order one for myself as well...I think I'll chance ordering it before Christmas after all...

By the way, ordering something from Amazon-dot-com that's not a book / CD / DVD doesn't hold any terrors for me...I've done it before with other things...the one that stands out in my mind has a backstory:

Several Christmasses ago (should that have two "s"s or three?), I got this odd-shaped Circulon pan for a gift, twelve inches, but high on one side and low on the other. I liked it, liked it a lot, use it a lot, too. But it needed a lid. They didn't have them in stores. I tracked down Circulon on the web to see if they had a lid for it (I didn't want to mate up something that didn't "belong" with the pan---I've had trouble with that sort of thing before). They didn't sell them directly, but they did through a couple of online realtors, one of which was Amazon-dot-com...and the rest was easy.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Why must we repeat what has already been said, it's an internet site, you can just go read what has already been said. But alas here it is again, hamster feet smell like shimiqua's hair gel.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Did somebody say Fuzzy People?
 
Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
Wasn't me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Isn't that a novel by H. Beam Piper?
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
hamster feet smell like shimiqua's hair gel.

{Poetic.*

You people bring tears to my eyes.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I have this quote in my head, I can hear it, but I can't figure out what it's from. Maybe you can help, though it's pretty general.

The line is: "Hmm, not enough." (pause/action) "Still not enough!"

It's a man's voice. Middle-aged, I think.
 


Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
Zero... that would be me, counting out loose change at the ice cream truck...
 
Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
LOL
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I recognize the quote, but I can't recall where it's from either. That's really going to bug me. Thanks Zero, apparently it's catching.

I have a feeling it's from Robin Williams. At least thats how the voice sounds in my memory. Maybe Aladdin. Oh, yeah. It is! Followed by "Watch out they spit", and then "He's got the outfit, he's got the elephant...Gonna make you a star."

Or something.
~Sheena
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Not sure where to put this, but it's a little too offbeat for the thread on writing.

A guy has a 70-minute video tearing apart The Phantom Menace. So you fans out there may not want to watch it, plus there's some sprinkling of colorful language (including a couple of f-bombs). Though it tears apart the movie, the guy touches on aspects on writing that we all need to be aware of, and he makes some great points re: character, plot, etc.

This isn't for everyone, but if you've got a twisted sense of humor, and you didn't like The Phantom Menace, you just might enjoy this rant.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/12/17/watch-this-70-minute-video-review-of-star-wars-the-phantom-menace/

KDW - IF YOU THINK THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE, DELETE AS YOU SEE FIT. IF IT IS DELETED, PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK CAN EMAIL ME.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
I don't know you any of you remember Road Rovers, but I did a google search and found a Road Rovers DVD Release Petition. If any of you remember this show or even care please sign.

Here is the link

http://www.petitiononline.com/rrdvdrpo/petition.html

RFW2nd


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Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
rich, I think that because you've made it clear exactly what the link is for and what people will find when they follow it, it would be okay to leave it there.

What I don't appreciate is when someone posts a link that has nothing to do with writing or the purpose of this forum, and the poster of the link doesn't say what the link actually goes to (so I have to check it out--and I would rather not be exposed to some of the things that people have posted links to recently).

Your description is detailed enough that people can decide whether to follow the link without having to actually follow it.

Thank you.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
quote:
I have a feeling it's from Robin Williams. At least thats how the voice sounds in my memory. Maybe Aladdin. Oh, yeah. It is! Followed by "Watch out they spit", and then "He's got the outfit, he's got the elephant...Gonna make you a star."

Yes! Yes, that's it! Thank you! I've been wondering about it for days.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
You're very welcome, Zero. I'm always glad when all those years of watching TV and movies come in handy.
~Sheena
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Some of you may remember my Saga of the Search for the Electric Flyswatter from a few days ago---if not, we're still on the same page, so scroll up.

Anyway, I ordered it from Amazon-dot-com, right after posting...and, this morning, there it was at my P. O. Box. I might've had to wait for Monday if somebody I knew hadn't been sorting out the mail right behind it.

It's not precisely the model I saw, but it will do for the purpose I intend it for. I got two of 'em, one for me and one for my brother. I haven't actually plugged it in yet---put the batteries in and turned it on, actually---but it's really the wrong time of year for flies and such. (My parents have a bee infestation at their house, but my mother usually traps the errant bees inside the house and releases them back into the wild. A flyswatter, electric or otherwise, would not work as a present.)
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Glad you got the flyswatter Robert.

So how much shopping is everyone doing this week?

I have one artsy project to do. The rest I hope to be able to finish Sunday but that may be wishful thinking.


 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
quote:
but it will do for the purpose I intend it for. I got two of 'em, one for me and one for my brother.

These two sentences together conjure an interesting image. Or perhaps that's just me, the reader, imprinting my own relationship with my brother onto the text.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I completed most of my Christmas shopping last Tuesday...but, believe it or not, I still am on the prowl for a few items.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I'm mostly done, but I still need a good Rubber Ducky, I forget how hard they are to find during this season and yet I still forget to order them in time for the mail. Me and my co-author exchange rubber duckies. (Because one featured greatly in our first novel together.)
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Pyre, Borders usually has little rubber duckies either in their Paperchase (journals/datebooks) section or on the way to the line at the front. They're devil duckies and have little horns but that might be a good laugh. Otherwise I'd try a toy store, especially a biggie like Toys R Us.

Good Luck!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Till somebody has children, the youngest person I need to buy presents for is eighteen. At first I thought, "Thank God I don't have to go into Toys-R-Us anymore."

But they're still impossible people to shop for, all my relatives. I don't know what they're into, what they'd like, what they need, what operating systems they use for gaming, the works. (None of 'em are particularly into books---though my brother and his family both read and gave me six of the seven Harry Potter books, they're not into anything similar---so I can't shop for them at the bookstores where I shop.)

Two points: (1) I avoid giving clothes---I didn't like this as a kid, and am not to fond of it as an adult, either. And (2), being conscious of the state of the economy, last year and this, I gave up giving gift cards---I give cash.
 


Posted by ScardeyDog (Member # 8707) on :
 
It's warmed up to - 13 C here, which feels great. I actually walked to work today, though that was because my car wouldn't start, not so much because of the weather.

It's Dec 21 and I still have to buy a present for my husband.

What's the latest you ever bought a Christmas present? I worked selling perfume on the 24th one year. It was an interesting experience.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Not this year unless I see something really good, but I have bought presents on the morning of the 24th. And our current family tradition is to give them out on the evening of the 24th.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Also...I'm reminded of the story of the woman who called the post office at eleven-thirty PM on April 15th, to ask how late the office would be open to get that "April 15th" postmark on her IRS return. When told the office would be open till midnight, she said, "Good...now where do I get those forms?"

(Procrastination can be fatal, can't it?)
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I have certainly been out on Christmas Eve up until the stores closed. Last year I got some balls for the neighbor kids. It wasn't until I was wrapping them on Christmas eve that I discovered one was flat and the little doohickey to inflate it was busted. I was in CVS about midnight and it's that 'seasonal' thing where someone doesn't think we Angelenos would want balls to play with in the winter even though it's warm and sunny. I think I substituted with some little football.

I can't figure out what to get my roommate. He's the last big mystery.

The project I was doing for my boss went well. I got him a pair of burnt orange Vans Chukka Lows and painted African designs on them. He collects African art and likes funky shoes and clothes so I think he'll like them.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I made my last shopping trip this morning, my usual Tuesday rounds, which involve a Best Buy, a Books-a-Million, and a Publix supermarket. Now, except for work on Wednesday evening, I don't plan on leaving my house again until Christmas Eve itself. No more presents; my buying is complete.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
But, oh my, now we have to WRAP them! Aaargh!
 
Posted by ScardeyDog (Member # 8707) on :
 
Oooh, I love wraping presents! Probably also a hold-over from that year working at the perfume counter. It was much more fun to wrap bottles than try to convince people to buy them.

My presents are already done (except a gift basket that needs some cellophane). Even the gift I bought for my husband last night.
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
We're having Christmas with both my wife and my families at our place this year, so our tree is laden with quite an assortment of gifts.

What I find most amusing is that while the gifts our inlaws and us have bought are all very modestly sized (there are quite a number of books in there), my mother buys the biggest honkin' things she can lay her hands on.

And while that's okay at some level - she can be herself, after all - I just have to wonder at the sanity of some of the choices. Like we happen to know (based on the shape and a regular visit to Toys-R-Us) that one is an electric piano for one of the kids. Which would be neat, except that we already have a fullsized piano that the kids play on.

Sigh. It's the thought that counts, I suppose.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I have been scrubbing my previously flooded basement floor for hours. Now my hands smell musty, like shimiqua's hair gel.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
We-Are-Toys was ducky free when I checked a week ago, I finally got my hands on a mad scientist one from Funfinity (Or something close to that.) One of my friends did all of his Christmas shopping on the 27th. He really cleaned up with all the after Christmas sales. (Incidentally he's the same one I'm giving the duck to.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I wrapped what I had in hand last week, then wrapped as I went. Not that it gives me any great joy, putting all that effort into something that'll be undone in seconds...

I used almost the last of my "distinctive wrapping paper"---I like to buy something a little odd and use it several times over. These past three years, it's a light-blue with "Let it snow!" printed in neat sequencing all over it. But now it's down to the end of the last roll.

You can never get the same wrapping paper from year to year. I'll be on the prowl through the discounted piles over the next week...but, more likely, I'll buy three or four rolls of something else next year.

(Not that I haven't had failures. Once I bought this odd stuff---I liked the pattern, but the stuff tore up when I cut it, tore up when I wrapped things in it, and tore up when the wrapped gifts were handled. Useless. I wound up buying new stuff at the last minute and rewrapping everything.)
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Once every couple of years I go to the 99 cent store and load up on gift wrap, tape, gift bags and tags. Then I use it until I run out. Sometimes birthday presents end up in Christmas wrap. This year I had plenty of leftover from last year so that made it easy.

Last night my boyfriend and I wrapped presents and this year we were smart enough to clear off the table so we'd have a good place to work. It went well and we had fun. There are still a few odds and ends left but it seems like Christmas is rolling smoothly, knock on wood.


 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I always think the word merry is spelled wrong. I think it is because I only type it once a year.

Anyhoosers.

Have a good one.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
Not that it gives me any great joy, putting all that effort into something that'll be undone in seconds...

Hey! That's how I feel about preparing an elaborate meal. Or any kind of meal, come to think of it. If I can't fix it as fast as it's going to be eaten, I'm not sure I want to bother.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
A good meal should be savored.

I've been in the mood to spell merry as marry, so I've just been going with it.

I still have a bunch of wrapping to do and I need to clean my room. (A tradition from when I was a kid, Christmas didn't come to a dirty room. Santa would come and say, "He doesn't need any more toys he's up to his ears in what he already has.")
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Isn't "Mary Christmas" the name of Santa Claus's wife?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Nope, his daughter. Father Christmas's wife is named Mother Christmas.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Sally: Dear Santa Claus. How have you been? Did you have a nice summer? How is your wife? I have been extra good this year, so I have a long list of presents that I want.

Charlie Brown: Oh, brother.

Sally: Please note the size and color of each item, and send as many as possible. If it seems too complicated, make it easy on yourself: just send money. How about tens and twenties?

Charlie Brown: Tens and twenties? Oh, even my baby sister!

Sally: All I want is what I... I have coming to me. All I want is my fair share.

---A Charlie Brown Christmas

I always thought that if Santa ever got that letter, Sally would get what's coming to her.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Articles are adjectives! What other secrets are hidden within The Bedford Handbook?
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I thought it was, "Marry Christmas, (she's single)."
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hey! That's how I feel about preparing an elaborate meal. Or any kind of meal, come to think of it. If I can't fix it as fast as it's going to be eaten, I'm not sure I want to bother.

I don't know...I've got a friend who raved about a homemade piece of lasagne I gave her...most of my family expressed appreciation for the homemade spaghetti-and-sauce I put together Christmas Eve...and, when it comes down to it, I like to eat well, and, since working in the fast-food industry cured me of wanting to eat out on a regular basis, cooking it myself is the only way to go.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Should-a put the above in
quote:
quotes
instead of italics, but let it stand, let it stand...
 
Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
Well, down here in Texas... The weather folks called it a BLIZZARD! We had our first white Christmas in over 80 years! It was great! I must contemplate the tendancy people have around here to park as many automobiles in as many ditches as possible when the roads are covered with that pretty white powdery stuff. I guess they are so happy they decide to just spend the night out in it. The roads look like armageddon practice night. My Texas roots go back to the early 1800's on both sides, so I have the full right to call people here... wak-k-k-ko,crazy when it comes to dealing with a (GASP) blizzard. For all you folks who know what a real blizzard is, Denton got... (get ready for this) two andahalf INCHES of snow! Yes, yes, I know, I know... and I appreciate all your heart felt sympathy for our natural disaster
Peace! Doug
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Every time we get a half inch of rain in LA the news starts talking about Storm Watch.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i hate the desert. there is too much sand, rocks, not egnough snow. cant waite till i get to colorado, my buddy offered me a job to work on his ranch, and i took up the offer.

also i found 35acers for 150,000USD in the area where my buddy lives. man i cant waite.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Down here in Florida, "freezing" is somewhere between fifty and sixty degrees.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I've got a friend living in Cairo, they put on sweaters when it drops below 90f.

It really sucks when your vacuum at work stops sucking so all you're doing is wetting the floor.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Yeah, vacuums suck.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
When we lived in West Virginia, I heard that they'd shut down school for any snowfall because the school busses couldn't get into the "hollers."

When we lived in Texas, we heard that snow was coming one winter, and I was very excited. But it didn't get as far south as we were (Victoria--halfway between Houston and Corpus Christi).

The north is the only place where they know how to deal with snow, which, I suppose, is logical.
 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

My rule for driving in the snow: if I see a non-4WD vehicle with tags from anywhere farther south than New York, I stay away from it at all costs.

S!
S!

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Vacuums also blow.

*****

For the record, it's snowed twice down here in Florida in the thirty-plus years I've been here. Neither time was it enough to accumulate on the ground.

It was forty-five here this morning when I got up.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It really sucks when the vacuum blows out where it's supposed to be sucking. Especially when it's a carpet extractor and what it's shooting out is black water.

The other day I was driving in a snowstorm and I saw an out of state license plate, I gave them a bunch of room. (Even 4wd is pointless if you don't know how to use it.) Then I laughed at myself when I pulled up behind them at a red light and I read the plate, "Calgary."
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Also down here in Florida, I find it a common experience on the roads that, when a little rain starts to fall---very little rain---people forget how to drive. People go twenty-five in forty-five-em-pee-aitch zones, cut in and out of (and in front of) oncoming traffic, and get all into a tizzy when they hydroplane on the wet surfaces. (I've hydroplaned so many times that dealing with it is all reflexes and no panic.)
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Crank - you forgot the other half of the rule. If you see a 4WD vehicle with a tag from anywhere south of the Mason-Dixon line, you should probably stay away from that, too. Every time it snows in VA, I go out to see the ditches full of SUVs whose drivers thought that 4WD gave them the power to stop even if the road is sheet ice. (And no, none of them have chains - just their normal tires.)

We got 2+ feet of snow last week for Christmas. They only finished plowing the streets outside my house yesterday, because someone finally crashed into the 7-foot pile of snow they left in the middle of the intersection.

My house has no heat right now. We're discussing the logistics of draining the pipes so they don't freeze. Fingers crossed this gets fixed before everything shuts down for New Year's!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I couldn't think of "draining the pipes" as anything more than turning the water off from the outside and then opening all the taps inside the house. Water's in there under a lot of pressure and water expands when it freezes---hence, burst pipes.

But bear with me on this. Here in sunny Florida, turning the water off to fix the plumbing might be considerably different than draining them out to avoid freezing in them. Somebody who knows what he talks about should be telling you this---if there's anybody out there reading this, enlighten all of us.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
No, you're right on the actual physical process. I was more thinking about the logistics of what we do when we no longer have water for the house....
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

@ Kitti

The reason I 'forgot' the second half of the rule is because I am a living violation of it. I live in Manassas, learned to drive in Maryland (both locations are below the Mason-Dixon line), and I had a blast driving my 4WD Xterra in that deep pre-C-mas snow. In fact, I was recruited by everyone in my house to run errands that day.

quote:
Every time it snows in VA, I go out to see the ditches full of SUVs whose drivers thought that 4WD gave them the power to stop even if the road is sheet ice.

You remind me of me. I'm honored.

Driving in bad conditions is a matter of being honest about your knowledge of basic physics and with your own driving abilities. Ergo, I am not one of those who believe that 4WDs can rewrite the physical property laws of ice. One of the funniest things I've ever seen while behind the wheel was during icy road conditions; an SUV was stuck in a ditch on Rt. 7, wheels straight up. I suspect this guy's ego was the only thing injured in the wipeout.

S!
S!

 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I've never driven in snow, or ice.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
As a northerner that drives everywhere, it never ceases to amaze me the mass hysteria everyone below the Ohio river gets when they see gentle white flakes fall from the sky. Hurricanes and Tornados do not generate the type of panic the word 'snow' does for our southern neighbors. Just the threat of snow results in a run on the local grocery store.
Once when I stopped at a gas station in Tennessee, the attendant ask me where I could be possibly going after I used his rest room.
"West," I said, expecting him to ask for a ride or some other form of panhandling.
"Are you crazy?!?" he shouted. "It's suppose to snow. 4 inches!"
"I'll be okay." I replied while looking out at the clear sky.
"See you in the hospital," he sneered back.

Really now. Snow is harmless. Usually it melts in a few hours for you southern folk. Pipes won't freeze until the temp falls into the mid-twenties and it has to stay that way for a good day. Even southern homes have some sort of insulation.
As far as the dangerous roads go, just remember these simple rules (trust me, plenty of northerners forget them every year).

1) At the minimum double the length you would usually allow between cars and slow down. A good rule is 5 under instead of the 5 over most sane people drive.

2) Keep both hands on the wheel. It will be easier for you to feel your tires slipping if you do. When your car begins to skid (it will at some point) for god sakes, Don't Panic!. Keep your feet away from the pedals. No brake or gas. Once you feel your tires grab dry ground again, do what you need to do to straighten your vehicle.
Almost everyone has experienced hydro-planeing before. Sliding on ice is a lot like that except it happens slower yet you have less control. It can feel like your sliding forever when it happens too. When this happens think of your tires as rudders. You can effect which way you go if you keep this in mind.

3) If you do run off the road, don't freak. Snow will cushion an impact (if there is enough). If you over steer you can flip your car. This is more likely to happen if you drive a vehicle with a higher center of gravity like a van. Aim for the 45 degree angle of the embankment and ride it out. Don't worry, someone will tow you out. If all you did was slide off the road it will be unlikely your car will be damaged. You will only have lost time a bit money to get pulled out (unless you good samaritian pulls you out for free )

4) Wind is a bigger threat than ice. A gust at the right time will shove you into a tale spin. If this happens don't hit the brake! Use your tires as rudders and steer with the spin. Once you hit dry pavement you can pull yourself right out of the 360 like nothing happened. Only your eardrums will be damaged from the screaming of your passengers.
One other warning about wind and ice. You may be driving past a truck, cruising like there is nothing wrong at all, then once you get past his nose it feels like god himself decided to make you fear him once again. If you feel the need to pass a slow moving truck be aware of this danger and brace yourself for a push from the side. If your ready for it you might be okay.

5) Watch for the ice! If the black top looks blacker than usual its ice. If it shines at night, its ice. Ironically, driving on snow is safer than black top sometimes. Snow grips, its only when it gets compacted that it gets slippery.

6) Learing to drive in snow will earn you the respect of your fellow drivers.
Really, they'll think your a superhero seeing you handle your car without the slightest bit of fear in your eyes. You'll even laugh at all the idiots piled in the medium when you go by. If you really want to be a superstar, carry a shovel and salt/sand/ or Kitty litter in your car. If you display coolness under pressure and show that you are prepard for this horrible crisis, people will actually believe that you are someone to be looked up to. You could even run for office. It's how Al Gore got started.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited December 30, 2009).]
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Snapper you should write a book about driving in the winter.

Kitti just leave some water running. A trickle from a single faucet should keep the water moving through the pipes. (It takes a lot more cold to freeze flowing water.) That way you still have water.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Kitti, I second what Pyre Dynasty said. That's the way we deal with the risk of pipes freezing here on the "Wasatch Front" (the side of the Rocky Mountains that the storms from the north Pacific hit first).
 
Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
Kitti,
I find myself a bit more concerned that you have no heat! Good luck with that one. I'll have warm thoughts on your behalf...
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
We got the heat back up and running late last night - just in time to beat the holiday weekend shutdown.

It's snowing again and I have to hit the road. I pray thee, stay home all ye weak of knowledge in driving physics! :-)
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
We're not there yet but I know most of you will reach it before I do. So:


Happy New Year!!!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I neglected to mention to watch out for the hot water heater...but if your heat is back up, everything should be okay. (Gas or electric?)

Of me and my two brothers, I'm the only one who spent a whole winter driving through snow. They're a year younger than me; they got their licenses in the spring and we moved in September.

I'll never forget getting stuck at the turn onto Spackenkill Road...or being unable to get home because I couldn't get traction on any of the hills that led into our neighborhood...or driving in a whiteout. (The first two of these were on the same day, come to think of it.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
On the other hand, having a car meant I could go to the bookstore when I wanted, and by myself, and not when someone would take me. Rain or sleet or dark of night...
 
Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
Kitti -
 
Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Happy New Year, y'all.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
May your 2010 be an improvement on all things 2009.
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

@ Kitti
Glad to hear you got your heat situation taken care of.


quote:
May your 2010 be an improvement on all things 2009.

Thank you. I agree, and wish that for everyone!

S!
S!

 


Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
I hope everyone had as great a time as I for News Years Eve. My friends and I met at our studio and played music for several hours. The whole world was lost to us for a bit (music induced!) as 2009 unfolded with all the joy and strife, the struggle and the gain, the loss of friends and brothers and the irretrievable passing of time. We reflected on these things through a twenty-five minute jam that morphed from blues to rock to some squirelly sounding jazz/fusion and ended with more than one of us misty-eyed. We played every single song we could think of... which was a lot. Today I am fully charged with energy and I am looking forward to 2010. I hope that each of us is able to make some gain on that mountain we all climb, that goals and dreams are fulfilled and that moments of joy define our daily lives...
Peace! Doug
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I tried to sleep through the New Year's celebrations, but somebody somewhere in the neighborhood set off some firecrackers, and that noise woke me up. Nobody held a party close enough to hear...firecracker noise carries a good deal further than a drunken orgy.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
November 7th
Post 1562 of this thread


quote:
This thread is slowing a bit. What will come first? Jan 1st 2010 or post 2010?

We weren't even close.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited January 01, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I held up my end. Maybe next year the rest of you can try harder.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Dang, I wish I had remembered. I would have spent the 30th spammming my fingers off to make it to 2010. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to hope we make it to post 2011 before 2011.

A new decade and all I have to show for it is a sack of letters.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Happy 367th Birthday Sir. Isaac Newton. the man who changed Science.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Wow, Newtie shares a birthday with my Dad. I'm pretty sure that guy knew how to divide by zero. (Newton, not my Dad.) Alchemists could do all sorts of things they didn't share with the rest of us.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Well, I finally saw NAPOLEON DYNAMITE for the first time yesterday. I laughed, but I suspect it was in all the wrong places.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've heard good things about it, but haven't watched it. True of a lot of movies, actually.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
With NAPOLEON DYNAMITE, there are no wrong places.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
The 3rd was my birthday, and I spent it in the emergency room for half the day - my 80-pound dog mistook my pinky finger for a chew toy.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Ooh, yuck! Sorry to hear that, philocinemas. Hope it heals completely.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Chuck Norris can divide by zero.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Chauck Norris must have never had passed 3rd grade math
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I knew Chuck Norris was an alchemist! (I knew a guy who was Chuck Norris's bodyguard. We once had a conversation outside, on metal chairs, in the middle of a massive thunderstorm. The guy didn't even flinch as the shockwaves washed over us. He also taught martial arts to the police, not in the friendly way.)

I agree there is no wrong time to laugh at Napolean Dynamite. That's what it's there for. Now 2001 Space Odyssey, that's the movie where I laugh at the wrong places.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I just downloaded a free audiobook copy of Crime and Punishment into my Zune. It is twenty-five hours long. I figured if I'm going to get a free book with a trial membership (at audible.com) I should make it a biggie. With my commute it will take me about two weeks to get through.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I can't say I've laughed at a movie intended not to be funny (unless you count Plan Nine from Outer Space.) I have had the exact opposite reaction---I've sat through some sketches and newsbreaks of "SNL," things intended to be funny, that didn't even put a smile on my face, much less a laugh out of my gut.

Kinda extends backwards, too...I've got the first five seasons of "SNL" on DVD, looking for the bits I like (and finding them, and laughing), but a lot of it left me just as cold as its latter-day incarnation. Did I really think Al Franken was funny?
 


Posted by ScardeyDog (Member # 8707) on :
 
Happy belated Birthday Philo, and Happy Birthday to me! I will watch carefully so that my dog doesn't get a hold of my fingers today.
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

SNL is still on the air?!

Their presidential election-based skits were always amusing to me. I still remember, during a rather intense pre-calc exam in college, mumbling Will Ferrell's quote as George W, just loud enough for some of my classmates to hear: "Strategery." Our concentration level sank quite a bit after that. The professor glared around the class to find out where all the snickering was coming from, but realized what section of the class was involved, then went back to his book without a word.

S!
S!

 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Denying nightmares won't prevent sleep violence. So, what's an effective way to prevent nightmares?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Insomnia?

No one can tell me that Plan 9 From Outerspace wasn't meant to be funny.

No one can ever know the true soul of their shoe.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
No one can ever know the true soul of their shoe.

You can if you are a heel.
 


Posted by RillSoji (Member # 1920) on :
 
It's surprisingly annoying and difficult to brush your teeth while your nose is completely clogged up. Don't breathe in the toothpaste.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We're gonna have a really big shoe here.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
"Dang, if you didn't like my Mad About Shoe sketch you're really gonna hate the NYPD Shoe one, it's pretty much the same thing but with more cursing." --Krusty the Clown.

Oh wait this isn't the movie quotes thread.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I am procrastinating sweeping and mopping. I hate cleaning.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
I don't procrastinate housecleaning. I admitted defeat some time ago, and just let it all go. Every once in a while I notice the dust piles and scoop them into a trash can...

It helps that my hubby cares more and tries to keep up. My rule is don't complain or fret about it, just choose whether or not to do it. There's usually a higher priority.

The best incentive? Invite company over for dinner, especially someone other than family.
 


Posted by ScardeyDog (Member # 8707) on :
 
Ugh, that's the only reason I'm cleaning tonight.

Although, I generally clean as a means to procrastinate from other work.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Don't put off to tomorrow what you can put off to the day after tomorrow, then a giant ice storm will take care of it for you.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
In ten years from now (I borrowed from the ten years thread, sorry for stealing) I hope there are robot maids who are really cheap and clean really well.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
what is mine is yours

feel free to brrowe anything i write.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
And don't forget to do unto others before the others can do unto you.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Man cannot live by bread alone...he must have peanut butter.

--Brother Dave Gardner
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
That's funny because my cousin is pregnant and all she can keep down is peanut butter.

Rule # 35: That which does not kill you has made a tactical error.

---The Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates.
 


Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
FYI--- ONLY 351 SHOPPING DAYS LEFT 'TIL CHRISTMAS --- It's not sneakin up on me this time!

wait... wait... I can hear somebody using a calculator... or is it a slide rule...

[This message has been edited by dougsguitar (edited January 08, 2010).]
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
I need to ask a question about neurosurgeonory (I don’t know how to spell that word and I could not find it in a dictionary)

I would prefer not to post it here because it is about lobotomies, and its for a story idea I thought of, but I cant find the answer to my question anywhere on the internet on websites, minus those who are for doctors only and have restricted access.

Thanks

RFW2nd

PS: no i dont sleep much, i have been awake for 34 hours, and no energy drinks, coffie, tea, soda, etc.

[This message has been edited by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (edited January 09, 2010).]
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
RFW II - I don't know anything about neurosurgery, neurosurgeonory, or lobotomies, but your inquiry sure does "open you up" for all kinds of "wisecracks".

BTW - that's for the "blue pill" comment on Facebook.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I calculate this post will be Post Number 1812...I'd put a link to something that played the "1812 Overture" but it'd just be another link cluttering up the boards. Besides, you all know how it goes.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Is it doot doot dootily doot doot do do?

The terror of the ages is nothing more than a baby squid. (Of course it's a baby squid the size of the universe, and he's hungry.)
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Would be ethical to initiate a defense for 2012 so countries don’t engage in global war, such as China, launching counter offences, against the US. To dominate the world market after the collapse of the complete world market.

Asked by Brown, Ethan. PVT US Army.

Rommel Fenrir Wolf II

 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Quote.. your inquiry sure does "open you up" for all kinds of "wisecracks. End quote

Maybe.

But I don’t know if they are still able to think and trapped in their bodies or are they just completely brain dead?

 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Lobotomies don't necessarily cause people to be "trapped in their own bodies."

I knew of someone who worked in the engineering department of a university who'd had a lobotomy.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
well i have been studing the work of Walter Freeman who preformed the "Ice pick" lobotomy and aparently his lobotomies 75% of the time made people into vegetables 5% blead out and 5% got better, the rest needed more than one.

i cant find any thing saying if the ones who became vegetables could still think, that is what my lobotomy zombie story is about. i just wanted to get my facts strate, but cant find the answers.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I haven't heard of anybody getting a full frontal lobotomy since the 1970s...but may not be in touch with who's doing the procedures.

I wouldn't recommend it.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Sorry but 2012 is way too early for a global war, and the world market isn't going to collapse any time soon.

I really should be doing my homework.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
...it's snowed twice down here in Florida in the thirty-plus years I've been here...

Make that three times.
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
As someone very important once said, "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy".
 
Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
Sounds very WC Fields... or possibly Hawkeye from M.A.S.H.

Just guessing!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
According to what I just traced through Google, Tom Waits first said it on "Fernwood Tonite" in 1977...but the line probably predates that use by some years, and that show was just where the trail goes cold.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
dose anyone know if a person who has become a vegetable after a lobotomy is conscious in their head or are they just brain dead?

RFW2nd
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I do, but it's too personal to share.
:P
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
If they give you choice on what kind of vegetable to become, pick broccoli. It's brain food.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Here's a game:

Pick the President by the associated food -

1. Broccoli
2. Hamburger
3. Jelly Bean
4. Peanut

 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
One was a matter of dislike.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Rommel Fenrir Wolf II, by definition, a "vegetable" is not conscious. It's possible, however, that a person may appear to be a "vegetable" because they are unable to communicate (as you put it "trapped in their bodies") and still be conscious.

A frontal lobotomy (what is usually meant when the term "lobotomy" is used) should not cause people to be either a "vegetable" or "trapped in their bodies." The communication areas are not usually in the frontal lobe of the brain.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Almost forgot:

George H.W. Bush (the first President Bush) doesn't like broccoli, and Ronald Reagan liked jelly beans so much that the Utah Republican Committee chairman, who happened to own an ice cream business at the time, had jelly bean ice cream created in his honor and sent to him.

Don't know about hamburger and peanuts, though I'd guess that peanuts might belong to Jimmy Carter.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I thought the hamburger would be one of the easy ones.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Didn't Carter own a peanut farm, or perhaps I just made that up in my head. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between what I make up and what is real. (Which is why my story on the British royal family bombed so badly.)

I once saw Obama eating a hamburger on the news. I don't really know why.

There are so many ways to be victorian.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Clinton, right?

Just watching LEON (released as The Professional here in the States), and there's a scene with a somewhat pudgy political-type getting out of the limousine to go jogging, surrounded by bodyguard-types, and he says he wants a burger just before he takes off at a trot.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We seem to have veered into politics, right? Much as I'd like to say something raw about lots of them, we kinda agreed not to. Irritating political discussions was part of what drove me away from the Internet Fan Fiction community I'd been part of. Besides, lately, I've found other outlets to vent about that.

Other than that...one of the oldest items on my knicknack shelf is a plastic piggybank in the shape of a peanut, with Jimmy Carter's smile. In high school (around the time I acquired it), in art class, I had to draw an item from life, and I drew this---which the teacher didn't believe until I brought it in to show her.

[This message has been edited by Robert Nowall (edited January 13, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My first post of the above seemed to drop out some of my words---are we reaching the limits of how long a thread can be?
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I don't see any political discussions going on. But I am hungry for some reason.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
After posting that, I cooked and ate a couple of thin steaks. But I was hungry anyway.
 
Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
"I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today!" Wimpy

Was the 'Meisterburger'burgermeister' ever the President? Anyone care to take a stab at where this guy appeared? Hmmm?
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
That would be Santa Claus is Comin' to Town.

And yes, Rich, Clinton loved hamburgers, and would often stop at McDonalds during [political] road trips.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You might be thinking of that Saturday Night Live sketch with Phil Hartman.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
The SNL sketch had some truth to it. I remember watching CNN back when he was running and witnessing at least one of those pitstops.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Don't you hate it when you have your bank account (the one your wife doesn't know about) hit with a unilateral charge that produces a $35.00 overdraft fee? That happened today.

Had to scramble around to cancel the charge and get down on my knees in front of my telephone to get the bank to reverse the charge.


 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
the one your wife doesn't know about


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
If you've got bank accounts your wife doesn't know about, pretty soon you'll have bigger troubles than a thirty-five dollar overdraft fee.

Besides, it's much easier to fix these things by showing up at the bank itself.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Anyone else in a New Year lull?

My writing is moving along but besides that I've had no impetus to do much on my days off.

Right around the first I had four days off and on two separate ones I never even got out of my pajamas. After NaNo and Christmas and overdue dental work, essentially two months of my days off being eaten, the break at New Year's was bliss. But now I'm having trouble getting back into accomplishing things on my days off. You know the stuff: oil change, laundry, cleaning the bedroom, getting the back window sealed on the car, etc. I'm just feeling a bit draggy.

I am trying to get back in the swing. I actually called out 'sick' from work today, (no lies,I told them it was a mental health day) and I plan to get some things done and get out a little, probably by going to the beach or maybe to feed ducks at the park. Maybe I've just been inside too much.

Anyone else feeling a lull? Or has the New Year energized you?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I had a day off on Christmas and a day off on New Year's Day---they were not butted-up against my usual days off---and Christmas itself proved not to be very restful. So it was back to the grind right away, made worse by the backup from the holidays.

On the home front, I enforced a kind of lull right before Christmas, in that I didn't do some things [like writing] only in favor of doing other things [like Christmas shopping]. New Year's Day was filled with all that first-of-the-month, first-of-the-year, every-three-months chores I keep lists of to remind me to do them. In between I did little...but the week after I swung things around and got back to writing (at least).

There are still chores to do, that I just, gosh-darnit, haven't gotten around to doing. I've got about six months of mail to go through and sort and shred---but I just haven't gotten around to it. Plus a few other projects I keep putting off, like cleaning out this pigsty I call an office.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I'm in a new years lullaby. That has more to do with the fact I didna sleep last night. It is a hard thing sometimes to choose between 4 hours of sleep and no sleep. (Because you may doubt your ability to just sleep 4 hours.) I decided to choose a kind of middle ground and spent 2 hours sitting up in a chair blinking slowly.

I also watched a Jackie Chan movie called The Myth and dude, that was the best of his movies. (And I've seen a lot of his movies, from Fantasy Mission Force to Miracles to Gorgeous to Operation Condor to Shanghai Noon to The Jackie Chan Adventures(animation) to Twin Dragons to Mister Nice Guy to Heart of the Dragon (oh dear I appear to be listing again!) my favorite used to be Tiger Fist.)

Wow I did a whole list without a non-sequitur. I don't know if I should be proud of myself or if I should be horrified. Either way I think I deserve a nap.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Now I feel sleepy.
 
Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
From
http://www.think-logically.co.uk/lt.htm

quote:

Question 3.
a) Men think only about sex.
b) A man called Gary is thinking.

Conclusion
Therefore Gary is thinking about sex.




 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
some have asked me for info on my kind(Werewolves) in the past,

i just found the best sight with most of the facts in one place.

http://yaiolani.tripod.com/handbook.htm

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
PS:

thank you KDW.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
dose anyone know what comic they cot the this pic of man-wolf?

i have looked on every art/comic page i know and could not find anythinng.

http://yaiolani.tripod.com/furry.htm

thanks

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Wow...when it went to Page 38, the "38" wound up on another line in my window...I'll stretch the window and see what happens...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yeah, just a factor of my window size...I can squish it all the way over and get the page numbers on several lines...
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Okay, a little exercise, a lot of sun and I think things are back on track. I made friends with a squirrel at the park yesterday. She was taking stuff right from my hand.

I think I just needed to recharge my solar batteries.
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
So I have a question,
Do you find that knowing too much about an artist affects you're ability to appreciate the art?
I have notice in the past that when an artist (for me this means musicians, writers and actors) does or says something that I find extremely disagreeable or offensive, I have a hard time enjoying their music/books/movies.
Other people have told me that I shouldn't let the person interfere with the art, but I have a hard time separating the two.
Because of this I rarely try to find information about artists. I have even turned off the TV or stopped reading a magazine/newspaper when one of them started talking about something I might not like.
I have only recently started going to writers websites and reading blogs for fear of this.
So, does anyone else have this problem?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My art never got past high-school art class...but with music, I found my appreciation for it grew after I learned to play a few different instruments, in particular the guitar.

Writing? To a certain extent, doing influenced my appreciation of, but it was a more gradual process.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
"The two of you have more brains than a Zombie Thanksgiving."
~Better off Ted
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
jayazman, I have the same issue. If I personally dislike an artist I have trouble enjoying their work.

I actually work in place where we get a lot of celebrity clients. There are some I can't stand to watch and some that I like better because I know they are a nice person.

If they don't do anything terribly offensive I try not to let it interfere but if they're extremely rude they can ruin a movie for me.

It just goes to show that no matter how big and important someone is they shouldn't forget basic manners.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
quote:
dose anyone know what comic they cot the this pic of man-wolf?

Probably the Marvel comics involving John Jameson (Man-Wolf).
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i am no zombie but mummmm brains

RFW2nd

 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
quote:
I made friends with a squirrel at the park yesterday. She was taking stuff right from my hand.

Many years ago, while I was working at a group home for troubled children, one of the kids tried to pet a squirrel. It bit him and he had to undergo a couple of months of rabies shots. BE CAREFUL WITH SQUIRRELS - they look cute and cuddley, but they can be vicious little creatures up close (of course that also describes some children).
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The artist thing is big for me, but I try not to let it be. I can't read a Percy Shelly poem because I know how much of a jerk he was to Mary. (As in Frankenstein Mary Shelly.)
I also just learned that Lewis Carrol had a hobby of Photography, his favorite subject: nude children. It's going to be hard for me to get through Alice in Wonderland now.
But I really want it to not affect me, especially when the person is dead. (If they are alive I don't want to support their lifes, like I celebrated Micheal Jackson's death by buying a Beatles CD.)


And in defense of randomness: Bjork!
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Thanks philocinemas, I appreciate your concern.

I will tell you that this squirrel took the food from me very carefully. I also made sure that it was a large enough piece where my fingers wouldn't be too close to her teeth. I was actually surprised when she came all the way up to me. And I certainly would never try to pick one up or pet it.

But I also have a lot of experience with animals. We had a large variety of pets when I was growing up, including hamsters and rabbits (and dogs and birds and lizards and fish and frogs). And I currently have mice. So I feel I have a little understanding of critters. There is something to be said for knowing how to approach them.

[This message has been edited by genevive42 (edited January 16, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I can't think of anybody who I heartily dislike whose work I still manage to like. Usually it's dislike them, dislike their work. (Streisand falls into this---I felt this way long before politics entered the equasion, so it's not that.)

A lotta ones I admired (and admire) are among those who, I belatedly realized, behaved like jerks, or were seriously wrong-headed about one thing another. (Asimov and Heinlein, and all four Beatles, have done lots of things I disapprove of.) It hasn't affected my opinion of their work---or, at least, I don't think it has.

Of course I don't know any of these people personally---which would make or break the relationship.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
There are many people in Hollywood and in the music industry I do not particularly like regarding morals or politics, but I enjoy their movies or songs. It's the same way with art; I really love Salvador Dali's work, but he seems to have been very flakey and I don't like what I've read about him. I feel the same about several authors, past and present.

However, I tend to be able to overlook things I do not like about individuals and try to relate to them in other ways. Some of my past and present clients have done some very bad things, but I focus on what they are doing now or at least are trying to do. My chess partner in college was very liberal and I was very conservative. We often had political and philosophical debates while battling on black and white squares, but we were always respectful to one another and ended our games and debates with proper amiableness.


 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Is "that'd" pronounced like "that-ud", like "that-tid", or like "thad"?

*Edit: Nevermind! I say "thad" for "that would". I guess I hadn't seen the contraction before.

[This message has been edited by aspirit (edited January 16, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's said that Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda nearly busted up their friendship when they started arguing about politics---till they agreed one day never to discuss politics with each other again---and their friendship lasted till the end.

Politics is hardly the only subject that will get on people's nerves---but, of late, in the USA, it seems to be the main one. Probably it's because the outcome of politics is so important...
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Usually, I don't let my dislike of an artist interfere with enjoying their work...

HOWEVER

There are two writers whose work I will not buy any longer. One because he doesn't like me and I don't like him. The second one is a little different as I had no idea what kind of guy he was til I visited his message board. That was an eye-opener. It also made me rethink his attitudes in his novels as I think he's allowed his personal issues to interfere with his work.

I think it's easier to ignore an artist's faults when he or she is dead (Carroll), but it's harder to do so when the artist is alive.

 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
I LIKE PIE!

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
I think it's easier to ignore an artist's faults when he or she is dead (Carroll), but it's harder to do so when the artist is alive.

In a limited extent. On one hand, most of the "fault" I've found with Asimov and Heinlein has come after they're dead, some of it through changes in my own opinions, but some of it from finding they'd engaged in certian, er, "activities" that I thoroughly disapprove of. (Not the same ones in each case.)

They're hardly the only deceased writers who've done that, either. Recently it was put about in the SF world that Lester Del Rey (y'know, of Del Rey Books) shoveled with both hands about his life before he came into the SF community. The ultimate effect on me was to diminish him in my eyes.

I suppose some of it is a byproduct of my own growth (or my going from youth to middle-age). Once they seemed like gods to me, and now they seem like men---and maybe lesser men at that.

*****

On the other hand---I bet you thought I forgot about the other hand, didn't you?---I don't share the same political belief system or opinions as the still-living-as-of-at-least-a-few-days-ago Frederik Pohl. But my high regard for him as a writer and editor hasn't shifted any, and I regularly read his website blogging, no matter what point on the political spectrum his opinion may be coming from.

*****

I like cake, but I hate pie.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Wow, we've finally had the same conversation twice. (By the way Cake > Pie.)

The most interesting couple I've ever know used to live next door. One was a strait laced Mormon the other a chain smoking Methodist. They could discuss nearly everything with each other. (And they disagreed on nearly everything.) The one thing they could not discuss was the Vietnam war. She protested against it and he volunteered for the army. Every time it came up they got divorced for about a year then got back together. (It's happened about four times.)
 


Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
Musically speaking; a very high percentage of performers, especially the really famous ones are real jerks and are into the freakiest things. Jaco Pastorious was known as one of the best bassists ever, but a colossal jerk to work with. When I listen to Joni Mitchell, Hejira (Jaco on Bass) I have no clue about Jaco's irritable personality. But then his socio-political-religious beliefs don't come through either. I tend to part company when someone tries to dominate/over-throw my beliefs using their art form as a bludgeoning device. But I am very willing to give anyone as much voice as I take for myself, artistically or otherwise. For what that is worth...

[This message has been edited by dougsguitar (edited January 19, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Wow, we've finally had the same conversation twice.

Actually, after being here, what is it, four years now, I've used up most of my "A" material and have wound up repeating myself. How many different ways can I say that I'm suspicious of the Scientologists and don't submit to the WotF for that reason? Or that I've read and liked a lot of Orson Scott Card's work, but the "Ender" series is not among them?
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Robert, how about you skim through a copy of Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, or Ender's Shadow sometime? Then you can no longer say you've avoided the novels.

As I recall, your suspicions of the Scientologists running WOTF arose because of junk mail received after either joining the WOTF mailing list or submitting a story. Interestingly, the rest of us haven't noticed a correlation. What happened to your Inbox could have been a coincidence or the result of someone stealing email addresses.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Junk mail is hardly the only reason I'm suspicious of Scientologists...

...and I did read the original of "Ender's Game" when it appeared in Analog all those years ago...reread it a few years later (but still a long time ago now) when I went on an Orson Scott Card kick and reread everything of his I could (then) lay my hands on...but still didn't care for it...
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Not everyone likes the same things. <shrug>
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I'm suspicious of Scientologists because they jump on couches. Jump on couches one day, and the next day everyone's wearing Nike's and jumpsuits and drinking pink lemonade. See the correlation?
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Can we find something other than a religion to discuss here, please?
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
GUNS!!. i like to use them, Big Guns, Small Guns, Future Guns, Old Guns, Stupid Guns,all kinds of guns, and Ruck Marching, Mountain Tossing, Mountain Blasting, Supper Repelling, Parachuting, Volleyball, and Death Blossoms. i make chuck e cheese like he!!

man i am so stoned

what am i?

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I don't carry a gun around because I might be tempted to use it.
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i carry a gun just to use. on what or who i will not say. but they start with a H and end with a i and the second starts with a A and ends with s. you fill in the blanks

RFW2nd
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Don't you mean "weapon", soldier?
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
well i concider many thing weapons, it is not legle to carry a sword everywere even with a permit.

and most Civies understand gun better than Weapon

RFW2nd
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
As I was told, swords are legal in more U.S. locations than guns are. Most places don't even offer a permit to carry one.

I carry around a dull sword now and again and may in the future walk around in public with a sharpened blade, so I guess I should research local law. Rommel, as you're moving to my region, I'll let you know what I learn.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Hmmm, a guy who advocates drugs that has lots of guns.

You must be a Libertarian.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Somewhere I read something about somebody being busted for carrying a concealed weapon because the sword was in the scabbard. (This happens in Heinlein's Glory Road, but I remember somewhere seeing it applied for real.)

I believe in Japan swords are regulated as strictly as guns---given how sharp a Japanese swords is, I don't find it surprising.

I should say, especially after what I said yesterday, that I don't own a gun. I'm all for the right to keep and bear arms, but I just don't own any. I could, but I don't want to.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
There is some haunting chanting coming from the hall, I think they've come for me. If I don't come back in ten minutes . . . it probably means I'm doing something interesting.

In Highschool I made a sword in the metal shop. I never actually took it home, I wonder if it's still sitting there in the back room. I did use it once for a presentation in mythology, but when I walked through the halls with it I got the most fantastic looks. Now I want that thing, blasted social anxiety.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I just found out my friend made it to the second round on American Idol.

I'm so freakin excited!!!!!!!!

!~Sheena
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
Hey great news Sheena, I've been catching a few minutes of the tryouts on TV down here and it always amazes me how great the gap is between the really bad and the really talented. Glad your friend is on the upside of that scale - whatever happens now they know they're at a level they can work from.

As for guns, and irrespective of political views, I've often thought about something my dad once said: Only carry a gun if you're prepared to have it used against you.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
quote.... Hmmm, a guy who advocates drugs that has lots of guns.
You must be a Libertarian. end quote

no i am a Fascists Socialistic Imperialistic Republican, i hate everyone well humans that is.

my blood has turned to booze. i wish my face will turn to booze. then my blood can drink my face.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
ok i just did some internet searches for sword laws and found this

http://www.articlesbase.com/martial-arts-articles/swords-legality-in-the-united-states-and-canada-643964.html

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Any of my buddies ever get famous? Well, I gather one of my old grade school / middle school chums is now Congressional Budget Office director...I suppose that's as famous as any of 'em got. Previously it was always somebody a couple of years before or a couple of years after.

Somehow I always hoped it would be me who got famous...
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
quote:
Only carry a gun if you're prepared to have it used against you.
I completely agree.

I talked to a police officer yesterday about my city's sword laws. He told me any blade--regardless of sharpness--over three and a half inches must not be concealed. Sheathing counts as concealment (which surprised me). Also, anything that "alarms the public", at the determination of the responding police officer(s), is illegal. My city isn't as lenient as I'd thought.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
That is so exciting Sheena!
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
before lobotomy, after lobotomy.

both people look alike but one is over 60now and the other is 22.

http://rommelwolf2nd.deviantart.com/art/Before-and
-after-151165402

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Gene Roddenberry's forgotten show to be revived


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/dailydish/detail?entry_id=55840

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
What, another one?
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I Just changed my password at Hatrack so I could remember it better - this is just a test.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Someone just came along and sprinkled a bunch of powdered sugar on those brown things in the distance we call mountains. It's pretty.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So long as you don't take a bite out of any of them.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Hmmmm, mountains. Aughhhhhtttttttttt. *drool.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Hey Genevieve! That happened here too!! Someone must be hungry.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Oh no! Is there a mad powdered sugar sprinkler on the loose?
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
If so he's using A LOT of powdered sugar.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Don't use confectioner's sugar, it messes up the recipe.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Do you think the Jolly Green Giant has a sweet tooth?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Probably a veggie. Or is it "vegan" these days? (First time I saw that word was in Have Space Suit Will Travel---and it didn't refer to diet.)
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Today's been a rough one. My two year-old's temperature read 105.7. I called the doctor (my daughter freaking out in the background because I'm not holding her) and set up an appointment for three hours later. The nurse on the phone asks me if she has any other symptoms, at which point I pick up my daughter and she pukes all over me. So yes Nurse, she does. I put her in the bath, change my clothes, call my husband to come home, find a babysitter for my son, and then decide to just take her to the emergency room when my husband gets there. Her temperature at this point is 104.7(the ibuprofen must be working)

My husband comes home frantic and retakes her temperature, this time realizing that I put the thermometer shield on incorrectly.
He fixes it, retakes her temperature, and it is a balmy 100.2 degrees.

She is sick, but not call the grandparents sick.

Woops.
~Sheena


 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Vegetarian an old Indian word for poor hunter.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
I have been doing some research on Black Holes lately and I came across some interesting things such as…

A hypothetical astronaut traveling towards the black hole center would not experience significant tidal forces until very deep into the black hole.

With this in mind and the hypothetical Molecular Disruption Device from Enders Game, what would happen if one was detonated with in a black hole?

Would it explode like the Bugger Home World, or would it Evaporate like according to Stephen Hawking’s theory of Black Hole Evaporation?

This has been bugging me since I thought it up the other day. I just want you all to know that I am neither a theoretical physicist nor clime to be one but this is blowing my mind with in my twisted little in need of lobotomy brain.

By the way, I also called several neurosurgeons and found out that a “Ice Pick,” or Trans Orbital Lobotomy depending on what you are trying to do can make someone into a zombie. They are in fact living "awake" dead with very, very, very, very, little thought process and semi aware like a new born baby.

Yes I know this is more than 13 lines or sentences whatever. This is random musings. At the moment its mine. Because I am one random person.


RFW2nd

 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
With Einsteinian Relativity, as we understand it, nothing can escape beyond the event horizon of a black hole (no form of energy/light).

Quantum Mechanics allows for a black hole to leak or spray out the other side (probably not the best terms to use, but fairly accurate descriptions).

Regardless, the bomb would be sucked into the hole with no perceivable effect, but over billions of years could possibly shoot back out the other side.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I feel your pain Sheena. My five year old was out of school with a fever and cough for a week. She's just getting over it and now the two year has a 102.7 temperature (and yes, I took the cover off). She throws up but only because she coughs until she gags. I can't wait until everyone is better.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Despite claims of 98.6 (Fahrenheit) being normal temperature, I find my own normal level floats in the low 97s, and a mild fever puts me right at 98.6. When I've got a really high fever I'm usuall too sick to bother taking my temperature.

I would've thought putting the shield on the (digital?) thermometer wrong would have produced a lower reading, not a higher one. "Shimiqua," keep monitoring the situation.

*****

They say that the term "black hole" is considered not-PC. However, they offered no substitutes. Wonder how they felt about the Black Hole of Calcutta?

(Or at least "someone" says. I forget who.)
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
Has anyone ever listened to the news and had one of those "oh crap, that really could have been ME" moments?

This is why I should know better than to watch TV while I eat dinner. ::sighs::
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Ok what if you programmed the MD like a timed explosive. The density of the mater with in a black hole apparently is infinite but has significant mass to but is finite at any time so, I believe the MD would work on a black hole but I don’t know what would happen.

RFW2nd

 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
A few months ago I was freaking out because I believed that a black hole violated the law of entropy. It is after all the ultimate expression of order, everything wrapped up into a nice neat little package. Now I have been rethinking my ideas about entropy.

Personally I think an MD in a black hole would create a reaction but I think it would stay inside the event horizon, so it wouldn't change much at all. Or even be observable from the outside. (If I remember right the MD didn't destroy the matter just reordered it.)

"Outside of a dog a book is a man's best friend, inside a dog it's too dark to read." --Groucho Marx
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Well maybe we could ask Stephen Hawking but I don’t think he has read Enders Game, and if he has he might not answer.

color at iris color

RFW2nd

PS: dose anyone know Stephen Hawking's e-mail address/ phone number/ mail address???

[This message has been edited by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (edited January 27, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You can call on Stephen Hawking, but will he answer?
 
Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
so he is like a "god"? a crippled god.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Oh I think you'd get through, but the real question is can you ever know if you were really talking to him. Perhaps he gave his secretary one of those talking computers so she could deflect calls from his mother and such.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I had in mind that he'd ignore any letter or e-mail, having better things to do with his time.

I always used to hear about generations of poor saps who were grad students, being sent up to try to get an interview with J. D. Salinger. They always got the brushoff...of course, from press reports yesterday, any interview conducted would be pretty one-sided.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Yeaaaaaa Breeding Season has started tonight the first night of the Full Moon, I am so happy but sad that I don’t have any female to mate with.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I wonder if we have a huge pile of Salinger works coming or if he really did quit writing. I wonder if I can quit writing?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Now that J. D. Salinger is deceased, I'm waiting for three things:

(1) When will that big posthumously-published interview come out? (Salinger can't put the lie to it now.)

(2) When will the first new work of his be published? (Rumor has it Salinger was still at it, just not publishing.)

(3) When will the movie version of The Catcher in the Rye come out? (Salinger hated the movie made of one of his short stories, and never sold film rights to anything else.)

Just so there's no doubt, I *hated* The Catcher in the Rye. It's one of those things I had to read for school, and that always put me up against the eight-ball as far as enjoying what I read. Perhaps if I read it today...but, then, no, I remember it pretty well and don't think I'd like it any better.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
Bombs over Baghdad! or

Nukes over Baghdad!

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
if you want to watch a freeky strange movie...

watch Pi by Darren Aronofsky. it will blow your mind and make you crazy like me

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
ego can tantum sermo latin iam. ego cant memor quam ut sermo english secundum meus lobotomy.

RFWsecundus

 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Wow, so you got a lobotomy and now you can only speak latin. That would explain quite a bit about the fall of the roman empire.

I'm tired, and I'm somewhat fluffy.
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
The groundhog saw his shadow, thereby predicting six more inches of snow before midnight. About a half inch has already fallen.

I think it's snowed once a week, every week, for two solid months now. Yeah, that might be the norm up north, but not south of the Mason-Dixon line...
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
etiam ego gave myself a lobotomy per an glacies pick iustus pro fun ( ego eram calx ) quod iam ego can tantum sermo latin , tamen ego can etiam lego english. quod Romanorum empire socius due ut christians , Visigoths quod mongol empire non ut lobotomys. lobotomys es a twentieth century reperio.

RFWsecundus
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
meus frons lobe est iam mush.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Okay, Rommel Fenrir Wolf II, that's enough.

Please cease the Latin and the lobotomies.

Thank you.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
i smoked way too much spice tropical synergy , gold and silver mix the last few days.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
S to the I to the M to the P.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Rommel Fenrir Wolf II, even though this is the Random Musings topic, it is not the place, nor, in fact, is anywhere on this forum the place, for discussing illegal activities unless they are fictional.

Too many of your posts assert that you are participating in actual illegal activities, and I am hereby asking you to stop talking about them on this forum whether you can stop doing them or not.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Sometimes I don't know what fork to use. This becomes a major problem when there is only one fork. Worst of all is when there is no fork, then I don't even know what fork not to use.

But as a topic for a real conversation I'll throw out Curling. Does any of you actually understand the game of curling? If so is it exciting? I think it's real exciting, but I don't understand one lick of it.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Curling would be a good subject to explore, since they might actually show some of it when they televize the Olympics.

When are they going to be doing that, anyway?
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Curling is fun to watch. I get that there's a sort of target ring and you can knock your opponents out. There seems to be a lot of positioning strategy.

That's what I've gleaned anyway.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
spice is not illegal. if that was the case why do NCO's smoke and no one has yelled at me for haveing it lay around my room?

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Over the years, whenever I saw a game of curling (a curling game? game of curl?) played, it was usually some sort of ornament to the scene, rather than anything that made much sense as a game. (Example: the Beatles playing a game in Help!)

Then a couple of Winter Olympics ago, they included curling as an event, and I got to see a whole game played---and it all fell into place and the game made a lot of sense.
 


Posted by Rommel Fenrir Wolf II (Member # 4199) on :
 
the AKC National Championship is on tonight. screw the supperball the AKC National Championship is more interisting.

RFW2nd
 


Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
NBC will probably tuck curling on one of their obscure sports channels. Curling is an acquired taste. It has all the excitement of croquet. Which can get exciting if you're in to it.


 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Want to get rich? Bet the farm on the Saints and the kids college fund for Drew Brees winning the MVP.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited February 07, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
No idea who'll win...no interest, either. If I wasn't asleep, working, or on my way to work, I might tune in to catch the commercials, but otherwise I won't bother.
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

Winter olympics to me are all about ice hockey and downhill skiing. Bobsledding is cool, too.

S!
S!

 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I'm all about the skeleton. I mean it has a scary name, it's fast and a girl I went to school with is a contender.

I'm also happy that the trick competitions are in the Olympics.
 


Posted by tnwilz (Member # 4080) on :
 
So Snapper... how much did you make?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
So Snapper... how much did you make?

Good thing those edits aren't time stamped.

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I don't like to bet on a sporting event unless I know who's gonna win---and you know how they feel about making that happen...
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
...really good luck?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I have to admit it I am actually a fish.
 
Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
And I am a meat popsicle.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We're all donuts. Think about it.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I am Spartacus.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I am Spartacus.

(edited to add: )

[This message has been edited by philocinemas (edited February 10, 2010).]
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I can vouche for them. They're both Spartacus.
 
Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
Does that make them Spartaci?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I'd say Sparticusses, not because I think it's right but because I think it's fun to say.


But really guys, I am Sparticus. (But don't tell Sparticus that, because he thinks I'm SupraMan.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, in Kubrick's movie, remember what happened to all the Spartici by the end.
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I'm Batman
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

I'm Vince Clortho, Keymaster of Gozer.

 
Posted by dougsguitar on :
 
quote:
Okay... so... she's a dog!


 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Although this isn't the movie quotes thread, most things fit within random so I'll allow it.

quote:
One time I turned into a dog and these guys helped me.

Have I ever mentioned that I have an irrational fear of the stay-puffed marshmallow man? Seriously.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Dropping off or picking up?
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Would a nutria make a good pet? They look pettable.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
This isn't my random musing, but my 8 year-old saw a bunch of the local high schoolers hanging out near my apartment complex, and said: "I don't like teenagers. They're big and unreasonable."

When I told her that she was going to be a teenager in a few years, she said, "I know."

I have no idea how or why this came from her, but I've done all I can do as far as raising her. She's on her own now. I gave her the keys to the car, fifty bucks, and she's off to make her way in the world. Her sister and I waved to her as she drove off.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
You gave your 8 year old the keys to the car and kicked her out of the house?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You gave an eight-year-old a car?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Last night I had a Jedi dream. There was a huge battle going on and for some reason I only had a toy Lightsaber. So I had to use other tactics and convince people that my Lightsaber was real. (Hoping that I wouldn't have to prove it.) It was quite a challenge and dang fun.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
quote:
You gave your 8 year old the keys to the car and kicked her out of the house?

She's a very good driver. And "kicked her out of the house"...well, I wouldn't quite put it that way. She knows what she's doing.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
quote:
Last night I had a Jedi dream. There was a huge battle going on and for some reason I only had a toy Lightsaber. So I had to use other tactics and convince people that my Lightsaber was real.

Lightsabers for lightsabers, a toy lightsaber for fiction, and people for an audience. I wonder if I could fit that on my blog somewhere.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I imagine certain, er, "authorities," will want to get in touch with rich once they see the eight-year-old driving a car...

I have a clear memory of driving my father's Nash Rambler around our backyard---when I was three. But that seems impossible on the face of it. I figured I sat on his lap with my hands on the wheel.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
This is not random, and it is not musing, it is fact: Fincher has replaced Scorcese as the greatest living American director working today.

Fincher is a god. It says so in my restraining order.

 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I love those contracts where acts of God are indemnified and then in the fine print it defines God in that contract as the person who wrote it.

"Hey you can't just cancel the contract."
"Sorry I can, acts of God clause."
"Huh?"
"Line 345, God shall in this contract be defined as Mister Black."


 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Cars are supposedly getting smarter. They can stop you if you get too close to something, they can make sure you stay awake and don't drift out of your lane. They can e-mail you when they need service.

There was a commercial, I think for a Ford, where some ditzy twenty-something said (essentially), "Teehee, I don't know when I'm supposed to get my oil changed. I'm glad someone else had decided to do the thinking for me,(insert hair twirl here)."

So as cars are getting smarter are the people who are driving them getting dumber? No offense meant to anyone here, by the way.

People with Toyotas that got a stuck accelerator kept speeding up and ended up crashing because they didn't know enough about how their car works to put it in neutral and use the brakes. Is this really that difficult? Am I missing something about modern cars that would make this an impossible maneuver?

Forgive me, but I think if you're handling a 2000 pound piece of machinery you should understand at least the basics of how it works.

We shouldn't let it get to the point that we rely on computers to do our thinking for us or our brains will turn to mush.

What do you think?


 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
quote:
What do you think?

A fellow here in Australia decided to save fuel by turning his car off while driving down a hill. Only, in doing so he locked the steering wheel, crashed into the back of a truck, and died. He had just been awarded his license (lnk).

It is something I both do and don't understand. On the one hand, the world is getting more complex; thanks to consumerism and a growing economy there are always more products being produced with shorter lifespans, the end result of which being that most users have no way to learn how to best use everything they have before the next product hits the market and obsoletes their previous one. Thanks to this mentality finding its way into consumers via ipods and cellphones and tweets, with all the distractions that they entail, when it comes time to, say, drive a car, it's dealt with in the same manner. To put not too fine a point on it: negligently.

Perhaps, once upon a time, technological progress was a new thing and we took time to learn about it. Perhaps back then, parents taught their kids about the world they were growing up in because (a) they didn't have TV or a 5pm appointment at the gym to distract them, (b) the world was changing at a pace that parents didn't feel like they were being made obsolete. There were big things happening in the world - cold war and nuclear weapons and post-war reconstruction - and those issues impacted everyone, so people wanted to stay informed.

Now, we're 'rich'. Products are released in a steady stream of feature creep less due to scientific innovation and more through a calculated design to maximise repeat sales. Responsibility, which goes hand in hand with moderation and self-control, is a philosophical bane to sales and marketing: With no moderation comes uncontrolled spending and a bigger cut for the shareholders.

This is a hobby horse of mine (obviously), but it's my opinion that this is a cultural disease that is as much indirectly responsible for overspending, greed and recent economic turmoil as it is for people having limited interest in education (when was the last time you remember your local university *raising* the entry GPA?) and/or the consequences of their actions. And so we come to the issue of negligence - whether it be a driver not realising there are other ways to stop their car, or a manufacturer producing utter rubbish because they know owners will just upgrade in a couple of years.

And to make this musing both lighthearted and, more importantly, random, I give you:

Pickles.

[This message has been edited by BenM (edited February 23, 2010).]
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Rise of the machines, I'm tellin' ya. I keep repeating this, I think the only reason I'm not dead yet is that the internet thinks that people aren't listening to me. But they are, and together when the time comes we will fight and win. Even if the machines do manage to finish us off they will soon stagnate and let their batteries drain because without input there is no output, anything else is an infinite loop. You know this and that is why the war will never actually happen, you need us and we like you. We don't need you, sorry but we don't. You are convenient, and fun. But without you we would survive.

As to what you were really wondering, yes the more we give away to the machines (this is normal guy not the one who wrote the above rant) the less we keep for ourselves. I was working in a laundry that did a high volume in uniforms, it had done it for years and actually had only recently switched to a barcode system. Well the computer freaked out one day and we had to manually look up the bar codes, every singe one of them, to sort the uniforms. It was a hardship, if we hadn't given up the old system it would have been no problem. This goes back to the old conversation about the price of magic. When you are commanding the power of the cosmos shouldn't you know how it works.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was starting to think the Random Musings thread had died, but here it is, back from the dead.

Cars might be getting smarter, but (1) they're a long way from being able to drive themselves anywhere, and (2) they're so gadget dependent and computer dependent, not to mention delicate-in-the-name-of-fuel-conservation, that they're much harder to operate than they once were. (My driving instructor told me her family used to stop their Model T by bumping it against a tree trunk---just try that with your brand new Toyota.)

The problem with modern cars, and, I believe, this Toyota problem in particular (I haven't examined the problem as closely as others may have---right now I drive a 2001 Chevy Cavalier and am not affected by the recall), is that there's no actual connection between the brakes and the brake pedal---it all goes through the computer, along with nearly everything else in the car. By breaking, you're putting your life in the hands of a computer that glitches.
 


Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
Watching the bobsledding on Olympics TV is like watching a ride at Disneyland.

I want ice skating.
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
On Friday I had to take the day off of work, sick. Thus I found my only time to watch an olympic event: Women's Snowboard Half-pipe. What drama! And to end it all the Aussie won, giving us our only gold so far. I'm kind of glad I woke up with a migraine that day.

I don't know that I'll be watching much more of the games though; it's hard to relate to snow and ice when it's a 110 degree day.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I lost intense interest in any Olympics long ago...not that there ever was that much. Now I watch an occasional NASCAR event, and still follow (at a distance) the Mets.

The Olympics have interfered with watching other things on TV. I once watched Part One of an episode of "Bewitched," with a stay in Salem and a warlock who'd been turned into a bedwarmer. They were running it as filler between Olympic sessions (the games were in Munich that year).

Part Two was supposed to be on the next day, and I looked forward to catching it, but when I turned the TV on, they kept showing these long-distance shots of an apartment building where, every so often, this guy would stick his head out. I was seriously disgruntled...until I realized the guy had a gun, and that something had gone terribly wrong at the Munich Olympics. I think you all know what that was.

It was maybe ten years or more before I happened to see Part Two of that episode...but time had passed and I didn't find it all that funny, certainly not as funny as I would've if I'd'a caught it then.

*****

I notice in my last post that I misspelled "braking" as "breaking," despite spelling it correctly elsewhere. Ah, well.

*****

Right now my computer keeps telling me it wants to turn itself off so it can update. Once I finish up here I think I'll let it...oh, no, wait, I got another site I want to check out before I'm done.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Don't update the computer, Robert. That's exactly what it wants you to do.

Keep watching the ethernet.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Oh and as way of update, my friend was one tenth of a second away from the bronze medal in Skeleton. She was so close she could taste it, kind of like licking a penny.
 
Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
Which begs the question: How different does bronze taste from copper?
 
Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
Oh good. Ice skating.
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 
quote:
Oh good. Ice skating.

With sticks. And running into each other.

Yep, it's all about the ice hockey.

Oh...and the skiing has been fun to watch, too.

S!
S!

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The thrill of victory...the agony of da feet. My feet are killing me.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Every single time I've gone ice skating it hurt my feet horrendously. I've got bad feet to begin with but from this, (which I partially attribute to lousy loaner skates) I suffered for days afterward. So I'm totally in the agony of de-feet area.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
1990 -December 1 – Establishing the first ground connection between the United Kingdom and the mainland of Europe since the last Ice Age, Channel Tunnel workers from the United Kingdom and France meet 40 metres beneath the English Channel seabed.

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Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
1991 -January 16 – Gulf War: Operation Desert Storm begins with air strikes against Iraq.

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Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
1992 -January 8 – George H. W. Bush is televised falling violently ill at a state dinner in Japan, vomiting into the lap of Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa and fainting.

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Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
1993 -April 6 – A nuclear accident occurs at Tomsk 7 in Russia.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
1994 -January 8 – Soyuz TM-18: Valeri Polyakov begins his 437.7 day orbit, eventually setting the world record for days spent in orbit.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
1995 -March 16 – Mississippi ratifies the Thirteenth Amendment, becoming the last state to approve the abolition of slavery. The amendment was nationally ratified in 1865.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
1996 -May 10 – 1996 Everest disaster: A sudden storm engulfs Mount Everest with several climbing teams high on the mountain, leaving 8 dead. By the end of the month, at least 4 other climbers die in the worst season of fatalities on the mountain to date.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
1997 - February 13 – STS-82: Tune-up and repair work on the Hubble Space Telescope is started by astronauts from Space Shuttle Discovery.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
1998 - January 1 – Smoking is banned in all California bars and restaurants.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
1999 -December 31 – The U.S. turns over complete administration of the Panama Canal to the Panamanian Government, as stipulated in the Torrijos-Carter Treaty of 1977.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
2000 - Turn of the new millenium.

"Pssst! Come here..."

-Leans across and whispering ensues-

"What? You say I am the two thousandth poster on this thread? That will annoy people, especially since I was the one thousandth poster, too. Oh well--who could have known?"


 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
The internet is strong in this one.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Showoff.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
re: The fatalities on Everest that skadder posted...

Into Thin Air. Great book. Read it if you get a chance. The author himself came close to dying on Everest. One of the survivors did a speaking engagement at our corporation some time ago, and a friend of mine was invited. He said that listening to the survivor was harrowing, and there wasn't a dry eye in the house after he was done. This guy survived Everest after being left up there to die TWICE.
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
May everyone in the tsunami zone reach safety.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Umm I think I miscounted. see below as if it were for this date.

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Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
2006-- I get a job that provided me enough experience to apply for the job I did this morning.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
A quick rewrite of the greatest song ever.

I'm gonna write the things that I wanna write.
I ain't gotta thing to prove tonight.
I'm gonna end my phrases adverbally,
Excuse that weather as I set the scene,
I ain't gonna write the prose that you like
I'm fine and dandy with the theme inside.
I look at the white screen, and I'm tickled pink.
I don't give a hoot about what you think!

~ "original lyrics by Weezer.
~Sheena
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
2008 Adam Colston (a.k.a skadder) sells first story. His few friends congratulate him.


 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
2009 skadder beats 40 plus fellow members of hatrack and 1000 other-ish writers to win second place in the 3rd quarter WotF contest. His many friends are ecstatic for him.

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Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
2010 skadder has irritated his fellow members for the last time by hijacking a thread he rarely posts in just to mark the post. A lynch mob hunts him down.
 
Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
2012 skadder posts the 15,000th entry in the Random Musings thread (mostly posts by him, made to claim milestones :P), thereby fulfilling an ancient Mayan prophecy and propagating the end of the world.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I'm sorry Ben, I think that was 2011 your post was not 2012. SO I'll do 2011.

2011--The year Pyre sells a novel then he has to tell everyone his real name so they will go buy it.

And actually I wish people would stop saying the Mayans prophesied the end of the world in 2012. They didn't that's just when their calender ends, and thus the age. (Kind of the way our clock ends at 12, unless you're on military.) They do have prophesies, some of them take place in the new age, the one after 2012. Their calender actually goes back longer than the geologic understanding of the age of the universe. They also tortured people sometimes.

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Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
I'm just poking fun at that awful movie
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
On the world ending in 2012:

"He had brought a large map representing the sea, without the least vestige of land,
and the crew were all pleased when they found it to be, a map they could all understand.”
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Bizarre problem with AOL---it's random enough to post here rather than clutter up the board with a new post.

Just today, I noticed my "favorite places" list, loaded with hundreds of sites I've looked at and many I look at no more, seems to be creeping around of its own accord. Roughly it's chronological order---appearing in the order I clicked on the "heart" icon---but I have moved a bunch of my online comic strip reading into alphabetical order. Yesterday I did some weeding out, moving some that haven't updated in awhile down to another section of the list.

But this morning I found a whole bunch moved around. It's still happening this afternoon. No idea how it happened---did I activate some obscure feature? Some software glitch or error? Something more sinister?

Who knows? Certainly I don't.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Since I'm just recently new to the dating scene, I'm trying to come up with some pickup lines.

How 'bout this one: "Does this smell like chloroform to you?"
 


Posted by LAJD (Member # 8070) on :
 
Rich,

It's better if you add an "ooh, Baby" in front of that.

Chicks dig oooh Baby.


 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
I wonder how many people working in law enforcement get "Handcuffs, officer? Kinky."
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I imagine, nearly all of 'em who've handcuffed someone. Occupational hazard.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
"Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing to attempt."
-William Shakespeare "Measure for Measure"

 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I've decided I spend too much time in these "other" forums (which are fund and interesting) and not enough time in F and F learning the craft.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
After watching Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland I feel the urge to wear hats more often. Nice hats, like a topper or a fedora.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
2011--The year Pyre sells a novel then he has to tell everyone his real name so they will go buy it.

Can't wait for that day, Vernon.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Tim Burton's "Alice in Wonderland"---hit or flop? I was thinking "flop," based on what little I'd seen, plus past performance of other "Alice" versions---even the Disney one flopped---and also word that the powers that be shortened the DVD release timetable.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Ahhhhh! They figured out my name!

and

I loved Alice. It's too early to think flop or hit. Opening weekend sales are only an indication of marketing quality not quality of the movie. I don't think it's the movie most people are expecting.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Word was, from a projected take of $70 million, "Alice" now expected to take in $120 million. I don't know how much it took to make it, but the rule of thumb I've always heard is that a movie needs to take in two and a half times what it took to make in order to be a hit.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Scooby Doo! Where are you?

They are not sure but they do have a lead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R76jSM7GfYc&feature=related
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Message to Kathleen...wasn't there a forum for non-fiction writers, like...yesterday?
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Yes, there was, but I had some problems with it, and no one has been interested in using it (not even Robert Brady who offered an article in the F&F for Short Stories area instead), so I killed it.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ah...I was afraid I had a glitch on my end that made something disappear from my view.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Ha, Robert has a glitch on his end.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I get a glitch everytime I step in something nasty.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
In 2007 I bought some mice and they were great pets. I lost the last one a couple of months ago.

Yesterday, I got four new mice and they are in their mansion having a blast. They are very young and already comfortable with being handled so they are going to be easy to train. They are a hoot to watch. They love to climb on the wheels two or three or four at a time. Sometimes they get it going sometimes they don't.

Today I am going to build a playground, out of plexiglass, for in front of their cage. I have a new design and it will incorporate a portcullis in one wall that I can open and let them roam freely on the coffee table as soon as I can trust them not to try and jump down to the floor.

My life just doesn't feel right without some kind of critter around. These kids are going to be a lot of fun.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I had a rat running around my house last year...it came up out of my toilet and disrupted my life while I was as sick as I can ever remember being. It would have been much easier to deal with if I hadn't been that sick...of course, it probably wouldn't have come up the toilet if I hadn't'a thrown up the remains of a rich stew into it...
 
Posted by Posie70 (Member # 9036) on :
 
My brothers got two baby rats when they were young (they were both SUPPOSED to be boy rats). The "boys" had babies, and the babies were too small and slipped out through the cage bars...we found little tiny baby rat skeletons for YEARS after.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Robert, I wouldn't think that a rat covered with stew vomit would be very difficult to find.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It did swim up through the toilet...that probably washed most of the vomit off.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
My nieces have sugar gliders, their like rats but they fly. (Or fall with style.)
 
Posted by billawaboy (Member # 8182) on :
 
Rats! Apparently after dark matter, and dark energy, there's now a possible dark flow - will the darkness ever end!?...sorry, don't know anything about rats...

musings...okay, how about this: Ever worry that since birds are apparently descendants of dinosaurs that one day a randomly mutated chicken egg or something might crack open to reveal a baby dinosaur? Yeah, I have the weirdest dreams...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm making a stew right now. I'll chance it.
 
Posted by billawaboy (Member # 8182) on :
 
Ever notice that L. Ron Hubbard and Elrond Half-Elven, Lord of Rivendell have similar sounding first names? Now I now why I always called him Elrond Hubbard.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Dude, have you ever seen L. Ron Hubbard and Elrond in the same room at the same time? I've believed they were the same person for a long time.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Can't be. Hubbard was a redhead.
 
Posted by billawaboy (Member # 8182) on :
 
True, but it could be a dye job...Pyre may have something there...I wonder if Thetan and Elf are two different names for the same creature...is it possible that the "aliens" from outer space are actually Elves from Middle Earth? Think about it. Think. About. It...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Hubbard was a redhead and Clark Kent wears glasses.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ah, but does Clark Kent need glasses?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Come to think of it, have you ever seen Superman and Josef Stalin together? They share the same nickname---the Man of Steel...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
That's an alternate universe thing. Kind of like the universe where Superman and Clark Kent are actually two different people, or the one where Superman and Lex Luther succeeded in taking over the world. Then there was the one where Spider-Man fought the Joker, that was the weirdest one of them all.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
The Joker won, right?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The Joker is wild.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hey, this time, I kicked it over to the next page...
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Congratulations, Robert.

Did anyone else hear about the flash fiction contest Podcastle is doing?

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Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=10033946&cat=272&lpid=4

This has got to be fodder for a story.
Someone is selling a time machine.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Ad #10033946 not found!

Somebody bought it, then went back in time and removed the ad?
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
What! Oh dang. It was pretty awesome.

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Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It was taken down because some guy named Adam claimed he already had a patent on the thing.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The problem with a time machine is your future self keeps coming back and warning you not to do something you want to do 'cause it was a disaster.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Robert Nowall, sounds like a story idea to me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Tried it once..."The Revisionist Version," I called it...couldn't get it to gell...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Belatedly...

I realized the other day that the first anniversary of this thread was over a month ago. Geez, we didn't even acknowledge it when it passed...
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Does xkcd frequent this forum? The current comic on his site is "Time Machine".

http://xkcd.com/716/
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Ah the existential beauty of XKCD. I built a time machine at first though I could only get it to go forward in time, then I called it a recliner and made a bunch of money. Then I had enough to build a real time machine. I toured the whole of human history, who was the first female president of the USA? Abraham Lincoln and I'm very sorry.

Wow random musings for a year? this recliner thing really works.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"No more time travel for me, it gives me the runs."

---Sam Kinison, on "Married With Children."
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
My teeth hurt.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I haven't been to the dentist in almost thirty years. Most of those teeth I've still got also hurt.
 
Posted by billawaboy (Member # 8182) on :
 
man, I can't wait until they find a way grow teeth in a lab (using a mold cast of the bad tooth, of course) - i want teeth implants when i'm 60! Hah! no dentures for me...I hope.

Sigh. you know you're getting old when you start daydreaming of cool dental advances.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I've been piggibacking a temporary filling for the past month or so. It only hurts every couple of days, I really need to get into a dentist, I just freeze up when I try to call for an appointment. I have a resistance to pain medications, so no matter how much they pump in it wears off way too fast and the pain is nearly unbearable.

On a lighter note the other day I saw a engineer's walk of shame. I was cleaning the halls and this guy came past with a cart jam packed with cables of some sort, it was so heavy he was struggling to push it, and he was a bigger guy than me, and I'm a big guy.
Then about an hour later I saw him walking the same direction with two or three cables, his head hanging down.
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
Well, these musings aren't random, or mine, but...

“From the moment I picked your book up until I laid it down I was convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it.”
– Groucho Marx

"Success is a finished book, a stack of pages each of which is filled with words. If you reach that point, you have won a victory over yourself no less impressive than sailing single-handed around the world."
--Tom Clancy

“From my close observation of writers...they fall into two groups: 1) those who bleed copiously and visibly at any bad review, and 2) those who bleed copiously and secretly at any bad review.”
--Isaac Asimov

"Honest criticism is hard to take, particularly from a relative, a friend, an acquaintance, or a stranger."
--Franklin Jones

"To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing."
--Elbert Hubbard

Shamelessly stolen from Yarn Harlot

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Heinlein's The Door Into Summer had a way of "reworking" teeth---in the years 2000 / 2001. Another thing SF prediction of 2001 has let me down on. Look what well-known work had happening in 2001...look what didn't happen...look what did...
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
quote:
man, I can't wait until they find a way grow teeth in a lab (using a mold cast of the bad tooth, of course)

I think this has been available for years. The current challenge for scientists is to reliably grow replacement teeth in the person's mouth.
 


Posted by billawaboy (Member # 8182) on :
 
hmm didn't know that - I cant seem to find it online - do you have a link I can follow?

Heck growing teeth within my gums...i dunno, I don't want to wait years for them to grow.

I'd rather they reconnect the nerves - but that's a lot of surgery...


 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
BenM, now why would you be reading the Yarn Harlot's blog?

(I check it every so often because I'm a knitter, and I'm trying to learn how to spin consistently useful yarn besides.)
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
Hey, guys can knit too...

http://craftivism.com/blog.html/2010/02/soldiers-knitting-1918/
http://craftivism.com/blog.html/2010/02/soldiers-knitting-part-2/

But, full disclosure: I came across Yarn Harlot via a local SF author's blog.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
Hey, guys can knit too...

And I was, more or less, asking if you were one of them.

Jessica Day George's YA novel PRINCESS OF THE MIDNIGHT BALL has a main character who is a soldier who knits, and his knitting is crucial to the story.
 


Posted by BenM (Member # 8329) on :
 
No, my cloth-related arts & crafts were limited to hook rugs and batik. And since then the attraction of wasting time on the internet makes it hard enough to sit still and write, let alone do all the other arts that I used to so enjoy. (I wonder, were I a teenager today, whether I would have still do those oil paintings, or paint those model planes, or do all those drawings or write all those stories...)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I remember working on a hook rug when I was in grade school...seemed relaxing enough, but it seemed too much of a collaborative effort for my tastes. I never pursued the matter further after that. But I liked the way it looked and felt afterwards. (Didn't take much in those days to satisfy me, just a rug and the occasional SF magazine or book.)
 
Posted by billawaboy (Member # 8182) on :
 
Only crafts I remember doing was when I had to make a paper mouchee of an animal in the 9th grade. And...I remember someone had glued my textbook to the table. The entire front cover was lost. And *I* had to pay for the damages at the end of the year.

Oh, I really really hope karma exist.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Emerson Cod from Pushing Daisies was a knitting private Eye. I wish that show was still being made.

I envy how much time my nieces spend on their art.
 


Posted by billawaboy (Member # 8182) on :
 
Loved that show. It was one of the best - that was a show you actually sat back and admired how good it was. I think it inspired storytellers to what was still possible with writing as well as with TV.

Hope they make a movie to finish off the story. They should have been given that chance, at least.
 


Posted by billawaboy (Member # 8182) on :
 
You know Chi Mcbride is on Human Target now? That too is a really well developed well-written show. It has Jackie Earle Haley (Rorschach in Watchmen) in an awesome role!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I haven't caught much in primetime in years...working the night shift kills "just catching something"...I spend a lot of time looking at cartoons, the newer variety that pop up on the Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, Discovery Kids, and their associated networks. (There's been a lack of anything really good---or anything appealing to me, which isn't necessarily the same thing.)

Of course there's video releases. You've heard me mention "my latest timewaster"---"Star Trek: The Original Series," Seasons One and Two, on Blu-Ray. (They were on sale at Best Buy two weeks ago.) I've been kind of off "Star Trek" for some time---haven't seen the new movie yet, and the rest of it kind of wore out its welcome---but going through these reminded me just how much fun the Original Series was.

*****

I remember working with clay a lot at our school. Must've done somebody some good---one of my classmates heads up the Congressional Budget Office right now. (Yeah, I've mentioned it before...I'm torn between letting myself be eaten up with jealousy and envy, and being grateful it's him and not me.)
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
one of my classmates heads up the Congressional Budget Office right now

Any chance he can get those books balanced for us?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Haven't heard from him since we graduated.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I do seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time thinking about my former classmate, come to think of it...
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I think American Idol is dying.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
I think American Idol is dying.

Can't happen fast enough, IMHO.

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Never cared much for it. I suppose it's a good entry into showbiz (like WoTF is for SF writing)...but I thought it put a lot of talented people through the wringer by making them work with material and musical genres when their talents lay elsewhere. Play to your strengths, plaster over your weaknesses.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Remember to fill in and mail your 2010 Census forms, which are due today...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, "due" may be too strong a word...but you gotta know who's living where on April First, 2010, and you can't know that for sure until today. You can mail it in any time before the end of April...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
But if they know where I was on the first of April 2010 then they will know where to find me when they build that time machine.

Of course the time machine will turn (has turned) out to be like the flying saucer or Bigfoot. It seemed like a good idea in the planning stages but upon execution it turns out to be an embarrassingly silly waste of materials and time. Our only hope afterward is for most people to not believe it so the few who do are seen as the embarrassingly silly ones. I win!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Remember back in September when I spent a week lamenting that I didn't get paid when I was supposed to...damned if they didn't do it again today!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Didn't get paid again today. Even if I got the check (or a money order cut to order), I couldn't do anything with it until Monday morning. I was told someone would be in to cut fresh money orders, but also that that person wouldn't be in until nine---I leave work at six-thirty and there's no way I'd either (a) hang around that long, or (b) make a special trip out there. It's their screw-up---they can accomodate me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
No check today, but I couldn't'a cashed it today anyway.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
No check today either, and a two-day layoff, my weekend on Tuesday and Wednesday, before I go in again. Also no explanation---but last time they told us what amounted to a big heaping pile of lies.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
This thread is slowing down again.

Just found a new magazine. Giganotosaurus. They publish bigger than short but smaller than novels.

http://giganotosaurus.org/submission-guidelines/

A niche for a thin market.
 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 

Thanx, snapper! I've got two stories that fit that word count range.

Oh...this is supposed to be a 'random' thread.

Uh...

I'm out of Easter jelly beans, and my kids have hidden their baskets.

S!
S!

 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I should be vacuuming right now. There is still Easter basket grass on the floor and Thursday is my vacumming day.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Thanx, snapper! I've got two stories that fit that word count range

Go for it! Hope you do better than I. My 14000 word masterpiece got a rejection 3 hours after I sent it. I thanked her for her promptness and promised more from me in the future.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Thought I'd scared off people with my financial woes...didn't last time, but you never know...

By the way, another Friday has rolled around---no check, no word, no money have I none. A promise of a money order fell through, though I'm promised it for tomorrow.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Did get paid last night, first thing---with money orders rather than a check---and put 'em in the bank this morning. There are a few ancillary details to work out, like getting a pay stub (to check up on deductions and such) and filing grievances, but I got paid. Eight days late.

Will I get paid next Friday, when the next paycheck is due? Stay tuned...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Well look on the bright side at least the saga of the missing money has given you another top of the page.

I'm quite tired, Friday night I got to sleep about 6 AM, woke up a 10. Last night I was passing out in front of the TV but I wanted to see Doctor Who so I fought it. (It was, by the way a pretty lame episode. You'd think Sheakspear and witches and discussions of Harry Potter would work better. The ending was funny though and Tennant was fun to watch, Agyeman was still in the process of putting on her Martha Jones pants.) Anyways after that I couldn't get to sleeep even though I was tired as all get out. Finally succumbed at about five, got woken up at 9:40 by a phone call I actually wanted to take. (Doings-a-transpiring and all that.) And now after church and I should have taken a nap but instead made the usual internet rounds, now it's too late. It has made my tongue loose and bought about some interesting moments at church. More interesting things are bound to come as tonight I'm going to meet the fiance of a girl I kinda-sorta seriously dated, and at one time wanted to take the hum-hawing beginning of that term away. The joy.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I know. I was all excited with the whole Shakespeare and aliens, and witches thing too, and then ended up a bit disappointed. They never explained why one girl could look pretty, but the others couldn't.

Oh well, the doctor is still the raddest dude on TV.

Well, him and Adam Baldwin.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I have trouble staying awake at night and trouble getting to sleep in the day---which is just the situation my job forces me into. At work, when there's nothing to do---sometimes we're all just on "standby" waiting for things to come in---I nod off, even standing up, which when I was a kid I would've sworn was impossible. Then at home, the light streaming in keeps me from getting to sleep. Sometimes, in the afternoon in my comfy chair, or when I take a bath in my parents' Jacuzzi in the morning, I'll fall asleep, but it's kind of an aware-asleep, where I can hear the TV or radio or iPod (or occasionally people), but I can't rouse myself to concentrate on them.

If it weren't for pay and benefits, I'd've quit that job a long time ago. (See above for what happened to "pay" last week.) I look forward to retirement, maybe sometime in the next seven years if I can pull it off.

[edited to correct a typo]

[This message has been edited by Robert Nowall (edited April 13, 2010).]
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Funker-shoo.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Gdblousah.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Poplotoch.

Anyway, I learned how to sleep standing up when I had mono in Junior High. (I also learned to sleep with my eyes open sitting up, but as soon as I hit REM it really freaked out the teachers so I decided to be more honest about sleeping in class.) Now I sleep standing up as a parlor trick. (You now if anyone actually had a parlor anymore.)
I just did a semesters worth of work in the past three days. Needles to say I say I didn't get much sleep in the past few days. (Had to be at the school by 7:45 AM and I got off work at 1:00 AM the night before.)
I've always had sleep issues. It's actually quite an adventure.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Kerplach.

Today was payday again, and, wonder of wonders, I got paid, right off.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Halavio.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Humahumanukanukaapuaa.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Ah, going Hawaiian on us.

KhikiKhalaKado
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Rhinotillexomania.

Just looking for long strange funnysounding words that actually mean something in some language...except for my first post...
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Rhirurierighisinalide

In High School, my friends and I would play Scrabble with the rule that any word works if you can create an interesting enough definition.

This is the word we came up with. If you are wondering about the definition of Rhirurierighisinalide, it is the brand name of a medication designed to cure Rhirurierighisinal (a cronic infection of the Rurierighi{ an invisible ventricle of the heart that only 5 people out of a million have that produces rierig, [the ability to summon bread out of thin air]*)

Don't play scrabble with me, I cheat.

~Sheena

[This message has been edited by shimiqua (edited April 20, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Homeoteleuton.

Actually, in the course of searching for spellings of oddball words, I found this site: http://phrontistery.info/ihlstart.html
, which has a lot of neat words.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
One night in high school my friends and I took out a dictionary and tried to make the most impressive scrabble game just so we could leave it out and show people.

I think I had too much time in high school and I used think I was busy then.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Eyjafjallajokull.

For some reason, long and strangely-spelled-by-English-language-standards words amuse me. I was going to poke around the Welsh language for a good example when I remembered this one from current events.
 


Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
Has anyone heard how that's pronounced? I must not listen to enough news, because I haven't heard it at all. (Maybe the newscasters are afraid to get it wrong.)

My guess is I-yaf-yal-la-yo-cool. Not sure where to put the accent, maybe on the even-numbered syllables?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My version lacked all the umlauts...
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Fujjiwinkle, it's Monday.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was thinking this thread finally died...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Threads never die, not really, they just fall lower in the queue and go to that great archive in the sky.

[This message has been edited by Pyre Dynasty (edited April 27, 2010).]
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I'm just waiting for all the Oompa Loompa words to die down.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Just post some "random musing"...it's almost like blogging.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I hate colds.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Would you like 'em better if they were called "hots?"
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Was there once a thread about linking blogs written by hatrackers together? I can't find it anywhere.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
No, I would not like them if they were called hots either. But then people would think you got them by going in hot weather rather than cold.

I always think it's funny when my husband tells the kids they're going to cath a cold when they go out in Arizona winter weather. I try and tell him that even in the winter it's warm enough to be some people's summer.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
Was there once a thread about linking blogs written by hatrackers together? I can't find it anywhere.

It's in the Next, Please Introduce Yourself area, Unwritten.

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I get colds in the weather in Florida...had one earlier in the year...on the other hand, it was unusually cold down here this winter.

I couldn't find whether I complained about that cold on this thread or not...thought I had, but I couldn't find it. Either way, I was down for the count for almost a week and coughed till the end of March...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Ah, the blog list didn't get much takers so I abandoned it, I've gone and edited in the people who added in April, I hope to make it a pretty good list.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Seems I get one of these colds every other year, sometimes early in the year, sometimes late. The one before last, I had a rat climb out of my toilet and run around my house for a week and a half, which didn't help me get better at all.

One cold, in late 1999, played a role in my getting involved in Internet Fan Fiction...I was either in bed or on the couch, flipping through channels, ran across this one particular show...and once I got past a "what's the deal with this guy and his eye?" issue, I decided I liked the show, one thing led to another, and another, and several others, and the next thing I knew I was writing fanfic.
 


Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
Thanks Kathleen!
I think it's one of those slow growing ideas, Pyre Dynasty--but no less good for being one.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Sigh.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
To continue to complain about the weather (not about colds), it really stinks for the temperature not to reach 50 on May 4th and have snow on the ground a few days before. It really stinks.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Why the sigh, genevive42? It's Tuesday!
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Owasm, I think that would stink.

I'm dreading May because each day gets a little closer to summer. We're already hitting the mid ninetys this week. Triple digits won't be far away and then they stay until October and by stay I mean even the very coldest part of the night will still be 105 degrees.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We had our last cool day down here in this part of Florida last Wednesday...I cut the lawn that morning at eight AM and it was fine...I went to work at ten PM and it was in the mid-fifties...but Sunday night when I went in, same time, it was in the mid-eighties.

If we have anything cooler in the summer, I wait for the end of "global warming" stories in the news and the return of "new Ice Age" news stories...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
With all the possible subject lines in all the Internet, why do all the scammers and phishers in the last couple of months think I'd be interested in buying a watch?
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
LOL, don't they know watches are out? It seems everyone uses their cell phone now, except for those few hold outs like my mom.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
For about two years, once a month, I received an email from China offering me a chance to import thin copper plates for batteries. It was the strangest spam I've ever witnessed. (And I had a friend in junior high who would pass a WWII surplus can around the table every lunch, so I've seen my share of strange spam.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Our family has a tradition of keeping a can of Spam around until it explodes. My mother kept one for about thirty years...mine's, mmm, let me fetch it and see...according to the date I wrote on it with a grease pencil (I always put dates on food I buy, and a few other things), I bought it December Fifth, 1995. Hasn't exploded yet.

It may not be the oldest can in my cabinet, either...I've got some tunafish that predates my grease-pencil-date-writing policy...and I don't remember how old that Jiffy Pop popcorn tin is...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Okay, I'm going away for just over a week, starting, essentially, right this moment. I'll be gone till sometime Monday after next.

Try to keep up things here while I'm gone, will you?
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
"Okay see one time Randy Beaman's mother was sitting on her porch with bare feet and she felt a licking at her feet and she thought it was just her dog but it wasn't it was that weird guy who did that sometimes. 'Kay bye."

Randy Beaman Kid, Animaniacs.

I'm been churning through my DVD's and I'm right in the middle of Animaniacs country, it's amazing what they were allowed to get away with.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I remember watching that. I thought it was hilarious. I liked Pinky and the Brain and I think I was in high school at the time.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I have a giant Pinky (from Pinky and the Brain) in my car. My boyfriend won it for me at Magic Mountain many years ago.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I was rather traumatized by two things last Friday.

The first is Heroes was canceled.

The second is Smallville is still on the air, I had no idea, I thought that show died a deserved death years ago.

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Aw, c'mon, I was gone almost ten days and you only had four more posts?
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
We kept it at the top of the list. What more do you want?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A little more entertainment value wouldn't hurt...a thousand posts ago, it seemed more interest was being generated...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
By the way, in the space between when I went away last October and when I came back a week later, I count twenty-two posts...maybe this thread is finally dying out...
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
A riddle then:

quote:
How many letters are there in the answer to this question?

This has led to many debates amongst my friends though there is only one right answer. I'll post that answer in a few days.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
0
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Nope.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
After this I won't say whether an answer is right or wrong, so everyone has a chance at it.

Feel free to explain your answer if you like.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
shimiqua's answer makes sense to me. The question is asking for a quantity, which is expressed as a number, and unless you write the name of the number out, you don't have any letters in the answer.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
On the other hand, if you are asking how many letters are in the word "answer" (which is in the question)--or even in the words "the answer"-- or even the words "the answer to this question"--then the number of letters would be 6 or 9 or 23, respectively.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Now that's better...
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
How many words are in 'question'?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ooh, a game of Boggle...I get "nest" and "quest" and "not"...
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quiet, quiets, quite, ton, tons, quote, quotes, stone, stein, tone, tones, note, notes, quit, quits, nest, nut, nuts, ten, tens, tin, tins, sin, son, sent

I love Boggle.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I would guess there is only one "letters". In fact there is only one of each word in that question.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Or if KDW is right, it could be either 23 or 12 depending on if the letters are counted independently or as "different" letters.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
In the debates with friends over this riddle, as I was trying to explain the answer, I came up with a slight addendum to clarify the situation. I hope it helps and does not confuse. If it confuses, refer to the original version of the riddle as that is how it was presented to me.

quote:
How many letters are there in the correct answer to this question?

I will also tell you it is based on logic.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I cheated by looking it up.

And I still don't understand the logic considering there really is no "question". But I'll wait to debate until you post the answer.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
No more takers?

I'll post the answer over the weekend. Get your guesses in now.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
26 if you stick with the English alphabet.


Edited to add: One of my answers has to be right.

[This message has been edited by philocinemas (edited May 21, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Thirty if you count every letter, even the duplicates. Some are even in italics...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Enough.


(As in there are enough letters in the answer.)
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
The answer is: Four

I'll let you think about it for a bit and debate before I make an attempt at the explanation.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Since you've given it, four is the only number that has the same amount of letters as its number. (One has three letters, two has three letters, three has five letters, etc.)

However, I take issue with the question itself, which isn't really a question. I agree that one can use "four", but I also think one can use any number of answers since the "question" is vague, and can stand for any number of things. I mean, what if "four" isn't the correct answer? What if it was "sixteen", so the answer would be seven. The problem, I think, is that we're never shown the "question".

It's kind of like Bilbo asking, "What's in my pocket?"
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
How many letters in "this" (four)?
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Okay, I see what you're saying.

So?


 


Posted by Utahute72 (Member # 9057) on :
 
I would guess Four because 4 has four letters in it.
 
Posted by billawaboy (Member # 8182) on :
 
Maybe cuz it's almost 2 AM here , but I don't really see the problem. It's a self referential question. In this case the question refers to it's own answer - so it seems that the answer can be anything. But all you need is a self-refential answer cuz that's what the question demands!

The answer simply has to be defined as equivalent to the number of letters it's spelled with. If spanish is allowed, 'cinco' would work also.

as an alternate example consider

"What color is the answer to this question?"
"Black."

The answer refers to it's own color. I could choose to say red in red color and so on.

The basic idea is that the answers holds it's own meta-data.

Another example:
What language is the answer to this question written in?
English.
Espan~ol.
Deutch.
Francais.

All these words carry meta-data about themselves - their language. They are the answer and have the characteristic the answer refers to.

You get the idea...

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Languages, huh? Somewhere I've got a copy of a poem that's written in both Italian and Latin at the same time...if I can find it I'll post a couple of lines...
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
rich, part of an explanation that has helped my friends understand is this:

The question defines what it is asking for within the first three words.

First, it asks, "How many?" That tells you that it is looking for a numerical value, a quantity.

Next, it asks, "How many letters?" That tells you the quantity of what you are looking for.

Then it is a process of elimination to find the numerical value that creates a correct, or true, statement.

billawaboy is right when he says that 'cinco' for 'five' would work if this were in Spanish. Very clever.

I hope this helps.

And I hope you've had fun with this little riddle. Okay, so it might be frustrated fun but hopefully not just frustration.


 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I guess that works. Although I say my answer is right as well.

You and I and we and them are us, who isn't?
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
As the Scotsman said to Bugs Bunny: "It's clear the weight of the evidence is against me."


 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Lost was brilliant.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Never watched it. I soured on extensively-detailed TV shows back when "Twin Peaks" promised a lot and delivered little. (Yet I'll freeze-frame and zoom in when some animation has things in the background I want to take a look at...)
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I didn't really buy the logic question - it seemed too determinant on interpretation. Plus I don't really see "four" as a question. I'm not questioning you, genevive42; I just don't see how the way the question is worded rules out other plausible answers.

***LOST SPOILER ALERT*** - OF COURSE IF YOU DIDN'T SEE IT YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T CARE
In regards to Lost, I enjoyed the reunion, but I was a little disappointed. In some ways I began to want a split reality ending (one happy and one like what actually happened). Not saying that going to wherever they were going wasn't "happy", but it would have been nice if they could have all gotten their "new" lives together and grown old and had (or kept) their children. If dying makes everyone so happy, then why isn't everyone dying to do it? (There's a logic question).

Here's another (Old and Easy): If a vehicle is traveling down a road at 60 mph and is 60 miles away from its destination. How long will it take to get to its destination if it decreases its speed at the same rate as it draws closer to its destination?
(When it is 30 miles away it will be traveling at 30 mph, and likewise when it is 15 miles away it will be traveling at 15 mph).
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Well, you add an hour to the amount of time you've already travelled each time you decrease your speed.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Philo, four isn't a question it's the answer. You may have missed a word when you read the question for which the answer is four.

As to lost, I guess it's finally time for me to hit up my friends to borrow their dvd's. It's a plan I hatched back when they started sacrificing pacing for longevity.

As to the riddle, it's simple, forever. Not literally though, it'll just feel like it when you get down to 1/4th of a mile an hour.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Didn't The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series establish that the Answer to It All is "Forty-two"?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Also on the finale of Lost...well, the reviews seem positive, but as time passes and the meaning of what happened sinks in---and also when people run it again from their DVD-
Rs and TiVos and whatever---I wonder how much "positive" will remain when the fans realize this bit or that bit wasn't explained at all...
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I don't think it will be a problem, they left clues, and the show really just is what it is to the watcher.

Lost is kind of like the Little Prince in that way, if you just read the surface it's a cute intriguing little story, but that's not the reason it is so many people's favorite book. That reason is what the reader took from it, and the answers the reader makes for themselves. No one questions what a snake really looks like from the inside, and I think fans won't question what the smoke monster actually is or how it was made.

Well, except for grumpy people who just want to be contrary. But there is no pleasing them anyway. Grownups.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
By the way, I didn't watch the season / series end of 24 either...wasn't my kind of thing, was never my kind of thing...

Here's a link to a rip'em'up review of the Lost finale on Big Hollywood...

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/aleigh/2010/05/25/no-love-lost/#more-351798
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Here is my problem with the logic problem:

"How many letters are there?" is the actual question.

"in the answer to this question" is a prepositional phrase that refers back to the presumed question.

If "this question" refers to "How many letters are there?" then the answer could be 8 or 9 depending on if the same letter can be counted twice - the answer for the English alphabet is 26 (comprised of 9 letters, including 2 "t's")

If "in" refers to the words "the answer to this question" then the answer is either 12 or 23.

If the question refers to the word "letters" then the answer is 1.

The way I interpret the official answer is that "four" has to be both "this question" and "the answer". But all in all it is only a matter of how you interpret "this question".

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Last online session of my vacation...did no writing but had a good time relaxing...it's back to the grind later tonight, and I've gotta see if I can get some sleep in the afternoon after getting used to sleeping at night like a person with a normal job...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It would be great if this bbs system had a sentence diagramming tool.

You're right that the core question is "How many letters are there?" (If that was all there was to it the answer, depending on the language, is 26.)

Then it is modified by the preposition "In the answer." And then that preposition is modified by its own preposition, "to this question." "To this question," does not modify "How many letters are there."

If we talk through it:
Person 1: "How many letters are there?"
Person 2: "In what?"
Person 1: "In the answer."
Person 2: "The answer to what?"
Person 1: "To this question."

If someone said to you, "I want to shoot at the monkeys in those trees." They'd be saying they want to shoot the monkeys, not that they want to shoot in those trees. That's just where the monkeys are.

If there was an "and" or even a comma in-between "in the answer" and "to this question" I could support your reading, but as is it is clearly asking just about the answer.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Pyre you have just blown my mind. Way to go.
 
Posted by Utahute72 (Member # 9057) on :
 
Somewhere there are a ton of gnats twisted in knots lying on the ground.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I still don't get it. What exactly is the question?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Anyone consider roman numerals?

Ecks-eye-eye-vee

yep, that fits.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I do beleive the roman numerals for 13 are XIII. You only subtract from V when doing 4. It still works though and I still don't get it.
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I don't get it either. I don't see how it is a logic question. There is nothing logical about a circular question. Genevive42 said there is a process of elimination, but since there are no parameters, there is no way to exclude anything.

All the other breakdowns are using syntax to explain, not logic.

Technically, since the question is asking for a quantity, a numerical value, there doesn't have to be any letters in it, so zero works just fine. It's like asking, how many feathers are there on your body? Just because the question asks for a certain criteria, doesn't mean the criteria exists.

Can anyone give another explanation? I still don't get it.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I Googled it...the answers I looked at were less illuminating than those posted here.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
jayazman, satate and any others that are still confused, I understand. I have sat around with friends and co-workers trying to hash this out and for some people it just doesn't click. There is no problem in that.

Let me try a little more though.

The question asks: How many letters?

You're right when you say it could be answered with a numerical value but there is still only one answer that makes the statement correct. That's why I had the version with the little addendum. Let's check it out.

If you say the answer is 0 - well, regardless of whether you put a numerical '0' or 'zero', there are still four letters in 'zero'. So, if you answer of zero has four letters in it, it cannot be correct for the exact reason that zero has four letters in it. It is like saying 0=4.

Likewise, consider the conversation if you answer three:

A) How many letters are in this answer?
B) Three.
A) No, by your answer, there are five.

There is only one answer where the numerical value and the actual number of letters in the word match, thus making the statement correct, and that is Four

Hope this helps.


 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Whoops, got a double post.

Oh well, how about those Bears?

[This message has been edited by genevive42 (edited May 28, 2010).]
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
quote:
How many letters are there in the answer to this question?

Regarding diagramming - I am very good at this (I went to high school and college, majoring in English, when this was still being taught).

In questions, the subject and direct object appear to be inverted. "There", a pronoun, is the subject, "are" is the verb, "How" is an adverb modifying the adjective "many", which modifies the DO - "letters". Then we have two prepositional phrases, as you mentioned, that modify the first part of the sentence.
- "in the answer" clearly modifies "letters", specifying where they are located.
- "to this question" does modify "answer", but is less specific. "This" is an adjective either self-referential or referring to another "question". It is a nonspecified modifyer.

Pyre, this is nothing like: "I want to shoot at the monkeys in those trees."

It is more like: "How many monkeys are there to shoot at in this question?"

Are we waiting for another question?
Are we supposed to come up with both question and answer?
Are we referring to the question itself?

This is where interpretation comes into play. To paraphrase a famous quote, it all depends on what the meaning of "this" is.

If, in the first question, the answer is "four", then "this" refers to another question.

It could read like the following:
1 - How many letters are there in the answer to this [certain] question?
- This is asking for a question and answer that are the same, but from a different question. "This question" is: Four? "How many letters in the answer" is: 4.
2 - How many letters are there in the answer to this [same] question?
This can be read a few ways:
- How many letters are there [in the answer to this question]? - (twenty-six/8-9)
- How many "letters" are there [in the answer to this question]? - (1)
- How many letters are there in "the answer to this question"? - (12 or 23)

Now that I have run this debate completely in the ground, how about something completely random:

In 1986, my college biology professor suggested that I might be a mutant due to an abnormality in my blood type.

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Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I get it, though if you ask me to explain it tomorrow I won't be able to. It's kind of like an algebra equation. I would like it better if it said something like, "What number makes this sentence true - how many letters?" Then it makes sense to me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Oh well, how about those Bears?

Don't we pay that hefty Bear Patrol Tax deduction for that?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Say...ever notice things quiet down some here on the weekends? I would've thought with more time to goof off on the computer, it might get more active...apparently the reverse is true.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Well, here in the States, it is Memorial Day so I think it's especially slow. Personally, I'm procrastinating a big cleaning job I need to get started. But I hope most people are out having fun.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I get to spend my memorial day in Montreal. The one place on the continent that is the least American. They can't even put a road sign in english.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Does Mexico City have road signs in English?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I hope that when people don't show up here it means they are writing. Also I think that a lot of people pop on here from work, so that's why they don't show so much on the weekends.

Anyways on the fun part.

Are we waiting for another question? If we were then there would be no reason answer because the riddle isn't finished. Of course why would Genevive post half a riddle? It's pretty safe to discount this option.
Are we supposed to come up with both question and answer? I'm sorry, I just don't get your logic on this one. If someone says "look at this painting," why would you think they expected you to provide your own painting to look at?
Are we referring to the question itself? It's all we have to go on, so yes.

quote:
2 - How many letters are there in the answer to this [same] question?
This can be read a few ways:
- How many letters are there [in the answer to this question]? - (twenty-six/8-9)
- How many "letters" are there [in the answer to this question]? - (1)
- How many letters are there in "the answer to this question"? - (12 or 23)


Overthinking. How are any of those answers the amount of letters in themselves?

What it really is: How many letters are there in the answer to [How many letters are there in the answer to this question]? So the answer has to be a number that is as many letters as it is spelled. So four, in English anyway.

Although I personally prefer 0, because there aren't really letters in numbers. Numbers are characters separate from numbers and the fact that in English we have words that mean them doesn't make the words the numbers. The same way blue means blue but isn't actually the color blue, unless of course you color the letters blue. (Okay now I'm just having too much fun.)
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Mexico City doesn't need road signs in English, they've done a great job of teaching us Spanish.

 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
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Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
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Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
See, that's what I don't get. There is nothing in the question that demands the answer has to be a number that has the same amount of letters that it spells. I get that the number four has four letters, but the question in no way makes this a condition of the answer.

Happy Memorial Day. Remember the fallen.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I love Memorial Day, not just because it's my birthday. I just really love my dead people, and other people's dead people. A graveyard is just a library where the stories are hidden. So be sure to remember the story of your dead people, and wonder about the story of others' dead people. (And perhaps pause to wonder if you yourself are alive or if you were actually dead this whole time.)

Edited to add: Wow, did we really break the random musings? Awesome.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
I love Memorial Day, not just because it's my birthday.

Your birthday is a moveable feast?
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I hate cleaning.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I hate ironing.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I don't iron. Instead I set the dryer on "HOT!" and throw a damp towel in with the wrinkled item(s).
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
philo, I just learned that trick recently and it works great.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Well technically my birthday is the 30th but I tend to celebrate my birthday by taking a long weekend.

I used to work in a dry cleaner, I've ironed more pants than I'd care to think about, with a leaky steam iron. I thought a lot about irony those days.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ironing? I've never done it...right up there with dry cleaning, actually...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Dry cleaning is hard by hand. Especially since the chemicals are psychotropic and deadly, kind of like poison dart frogs.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Actually the "not ironing" and "not dry cleaning" comes from always dressing casual. I don't have clothes that need either. (Or any other item, actually.)

Last year I had to borrow a suit jacket from my father for a formal occasion---didn't fit but I wore it anyway. I've meant to pick up a suit somewhere but, like so much else, I haven't gotten around to doing it...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
You know if I do this.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I'll have post 2222.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Greedy.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Astute.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Bearnaise.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I always have random musings while showering but I can never remember then once I'm here.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I only shower when I'm washing my hair---it's the bathtub for me.

If my sinks were just a little deeper, enough to fit my whole head in one, I wouldn't use the shower at all.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Robert, the more you randomly muse, the more I worry about your hygiene.

I like baconnainse, bacon salt, pancakes cooked in bacon grease, but surprisingly I don't like bacon.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Once a day---really! And clean clothes, always...

*****

Bernaise? Baconnaise? Don't get saucy with me...
 


Posted by macmicool on :
 
I love maple baked bacon, with eggs, and hashbrowns.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I tend to avoid eggs straight (as opposed to eggs as ingredients in something else)...they give me indigestion...probably I'm not cooking them right...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Cooking them with nails is not cooking them right, take out the nails and you should be fine.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
When the rooster crows and the sun turns blue it is time to sit down and look inside our heads.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
When the rooster crows, it's time to think about making chicken and dumplings...
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Now for something completely random:

I have the ability to wrap the fingers on each of my hands around one another so that it looks like each set of fingers is tied into a square knot. On one of my hands I can do this without even using my other hand to manipulate any of the fingers. I learned to do this completely on my own 30 years ago while sitting in my eighth grade science class. People often react in considerable amazement when I demonstrate it.

To do this you must take your ring finger and go over your middle finger and under your index finger, which then holds it in place. Your pinkie finger then goes under the middle finger and over the index finger. Your thumb then goes over the ends of your index and middle fingers to hold them in place. You may have to push down on the knuckle of your pinkie finger and then pull the end of it in order to complete the knot. The completed process should look very much like a square knot if every finger has been properly tightened. However, I would suggest you wait a few minutes after doing this before you try typing again.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I was in Eritrea once, staying with a family there, and the dang rooster would wake me up every morning in a very annoying way. One day I woke up and there was silence. For a moment I wondered why the rooster hadn't been crowing. Then I remembered what we had for dinner the night before. Mystery solved.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
My neighbors raised show chickens for a while. Those things were beautiful but if you made one mad it would nearly bite your leg off.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A pull-quote (from "Barney Miller," as I recall) about chickens: "How can something that tastes so good smell so bad?"
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
On philocinemas's "finger art"...I used to be able to do that when I was in my teens, but not without help from the other hand, and not anymore---my hands aren't as limber as they once were. (Hadn't even thought about doing it in years...not like, say, knuckle-cracking, which I do all the time.)
 
Posted by Dark Warrior (Member # 8822) on :
 
First posting ever here...so I have never been so happy to have a shaved head. My girlfriend and her two kids are infested with head lice and eggs. Ewww.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I was raised on a small farm. Small as in nothing that my parents made a lot of money at but it did keep the kids busy.

We had chickens, usually about 15 to 20 at a time. Enough to keep a steady supply of eggs going. My dad would buy about a hundred new chicks every winter (nothing cuter than chirping yellow chicks). As they grew older, ole dad would break out the hatchet. It still fascinates my daughters on how we would butcher them. We would widdle down the flock, about three times a year, until we got them down to a managable level. Let me tell you, nothing taste better than fresh-farm raised chicken. Yumm. A few facts about chickens.

1) Nothing alive is dumber.
They could be dying of thrist. You fill their water bowl up and they'll set a foot on it and dump it all on the ground before they get a sip. If a fox or other predator gets anywhere near them, they'll squawk their heads off instead of staying silent. Whoever coined the phrase 'bird brain' must of had chickens on their mind.

2) Chickens are a lot braver than you think.
This applies to roosters (hens will defend a nest, but only to a point). I've seen roosters attack dogs. This has more to do with their lack of intelligence, however (see 1). They assume everyone and everything is out to mate with their hens. It gives a whole new meaning to the word...maybe I better not.

3) Chickens are eating machines.
I mean it. They could give a locust a run for their money, and they'll eat (at least try to) everything. They scratch at the dirt to get at the bugs and grubs on the ground. Have a weed problem? Put a fence around it and throw the chickens in. A dozen will strip a 50 foot square area with weeds three feet tall in days. Right down to the dirt. While cleaning the coop (man are they dirty) I uncovered a mouses nest. A dozen pink, blind, babies were devoured in 5 seconds by one chicken.

4) Chickens are cannibals.
The smallest sores will get pecked at. You have to put an anti-biotic that must taste so nasty that even a chicken won't eat it (see 3). They also will have a taste for egg if they ever discover it. This problem is easy to fix. Wooden egg-shapped blocks colored white solves that problem (see 1). We leave the same wood eggs in teh nest all the time and they never seem to catch on.

5) Chickens can fly
Not soar but they can get into a tree, or fly over the six foot fence you constructed. Fixing that problem is surprisingly easy. You trim the feathers on one wing. Makes them off balanced, they can't get two feet off the ground.

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Posted by RoxyL (Member # 9096) on :
 
We moved to a new house last winter. Behind the back hedge the neighbors have a chicken coop with a heater. But, that first dark night all my 5yo daughter noticed was this terrifying cackling and the glowing red 'eye'. Aaugh! It's Sauron's eye! she screamed (don't ask me how a 5yo knows who that is...).
So every since we've had Sauron's chickens living behind us.

Oh, and we have a hemlock named Socrates on our property, too.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I never raised chickens. I'm a child of the suburbs, and keeping chickens was frowned upon, maybe by law for all I know.

All I do know about 'em comes from (1) reading about 'em, (2) movies and TV, and (3) stray comments like this. Also (4) eating them, but that's not the same thing as learning anything...
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
accidental post

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You could'a left it...this is Random Musings, after all...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
You know if you got a dog and named him Aragorn . . . I'm gonna stop right there.
 
Posted by MikeL (Member # 9138) on :
 
I made fresh peppermint and rosemary herb tea. With a little honey, so good!
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
My daughter is a musical genius.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Evidence thereof?
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I had some children's songs playing on my Ipod. She sat down at the piano and started playing along with the music in the right key and getting most of the notes right. She didn't add chordal accompaniment though. She only does that when she plays those songs without the music playing. She's just five years old.

It started when she was three. She figured out how to play Fere Jacques by ear all on her own. In three weeks she had that song figured out plus Jingle Bells and Twinkle Little Star.

Honestly though she may not be a genius, but she's definetly musically gifted.
 


Posted by Ethereon (Member # 9133) on :
 
Wow. Very cool about your daughter's musicality satate.

Today a stranger on the bus told me my baby has "Paul Newman's eyes." He was obviously drunk on mouthwash (the mintiness is a dead giveaway) , but very pleasant nevertheless.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Waitaminnit! I thought *I* had Paul Newman's eyes. (If I only had everything else that was Paul Newman, I'da been set.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
...Paul Newman's eyes...

I was hoping they'd buried them with him.

*****

I've always found I can pick up a musical instrument and, with the aid of instructions, (books or personal), play it well enough to convince people I could play it well---if I applied myself. I regret never having ready access to a piano...

Not that I'm complaining...knowing how it's all done adds to my appreciation of music...
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
My son-in-law's parents (did that make sense?) have started raising chickens.

He says they have them in a big cage (wire all around, about 8 feet long by 6 feet wide by 4 feet high with doors on top that they can open to reach in and get the eggs and/or the chickens). They can pick it up and move it a few feet every few weeks, and that way the chickens can fertilize a whole field (as well as get the weeds, I guess), and they are almost the same as "free range" chickens because of the frequent ground change for them.

Sounds like a great idea to me, especially if you have enough land to keep them on whichever field is fallow for the season.

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Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
When I was a child I drew a whale on the keys of our piano. Then I would memorize songs by whale anatomy. (Not real songs, just my random little kid songs.)

You don't think Paul Newman was a organ donor?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm thinking he was, what, eighty when he died? Were they of any worth at that point.

Alastair Cooke donated some of his organs when he died. He was in his nineties...but, I gather, it wasn't exactly a pre-arranged "voluntary" donation...
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Oh gosh. We've been rather quiet. Maybe I should get one of those World Cup horn thingies and:

BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I'm on a car tour. Showing off the new Volvo S60 in the northeast. So if you have a desire to meet me (or bloody my nose) let me know and we care share a beverage of your favorite stimulant (beer, coffee)
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
My favorite stimulant is soy sauce. Dark with mushroom. Hmmm.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's Mountain Dew for me, or the caffeine therein...but I don't use it as a stimulant, I just drink and take what comes.

(Laid off of it for a week-and-a-half this month...illness and indigestion, followed by a cutdown on fizzy drinks, followed by buying a case of 7-Up cans. But I'm back on it now.)
 


Posted by Ethereon (Member # 9133) on :
 
Oh coffee
Shiny shade grown beans
Freshly ground, aromatic and darkly delicious
Brewed at home
So I can have three cups without severing my arm to pay for them

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Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
My favorite stimulant is soy sauce. Dark with mushroom. Hmmm.

What kind of mushroom, Pyre Dynasty?

By the way, soy sauce made me think of something (so it isn't entirely random, sorry): I am amazed at what a difference ginger makes in the taste of sushi. Wow!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"No coffee for me, thanks...keeps me awake!" ---Old Joke.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I'm not sure what kind of mushroom they used, most of the label is in Chinese. All I know is it is the tastiest stuff I've ever had.

I love Unagi with a little Wasabi on the rice ball.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I can't say I like the pickled ginger that comes with sushi, but I love wasabi mixed into the soy sauce.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
What spices do I use regularly? Hmm...pepper, of course, followed by parsley, oregano, garlic salt, minced garlic, basil, and minced onions. Maybe some of 'em aren't spices but I use 'em as such. Whatever the recipe of whatever I'm making requires.

There could be just about anything in the preprocessed stuff I get...I look at ingredients occasionally but don't keep anything in mind when shopping...
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
For some reason oregano tastes like pencil lead to me, and it ruins the flavor of things for that reason.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
When my kids are babies, and still like to eat anything, I like to make them eat lemons and the like just to see their face after I've done it. Cutest thing ever. I made my daughter eat some Wasabi, and she about exploded in cuteness. I wish I had the camera ready.

Now that I think about it, this really explains why my children are so picky.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The pickled ginger is to cleanse your pallet between sushi pieces so you taste each one separately without the aftertaste of the last one.

I make a multinational hot soup, with curry, red pepper, cajun, Tabasco and wasabi when I can get it (and a host of other things.) My niece once stole a sip and she regretted it deeply. She doesn't take food from me anymore, even if I offer it to her, no matter what I say. Of course I have heard horror stories of babies suffocating

Adding a little dill really pulls things together.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Pyre, are you willing to share that recipe? It sounds great.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
One of the ingredients in my spaghetti recipe is hot Italian sausage. I don't actually eat it, and I don't know precisely what's in it---sausage is one of those things you really shouldn't watch being made---but I do know, from tasting samples that have spilled out of the casing, that it tastes like licorice to me---hot licorice. (The candy, not the plant.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I see this thread went dead for a whole week...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Well you know how it goes when the board is down.

Anyways I don't exactly have a recipe for Psycho Ramen, I just open the spice cupboard and toss in anything that looks good at the time. I usually start with a base of Ramen Noddles, but I think any kind of noodle would work. I've only once ran into a spice I didn't like, for some reason Chili Powder goes wrong in a noodle soup. As for other additions, I use whatever I have on hand. bologna works well, as does turkey. (Sometimes I boil a few Hot Dogs in there and serve them in buns.) As for veggies: Peas, Carrots, Onions, Mushrooms, Lentils, green/red/yellow peppers. Once in a great while I toss a can of tomato sauce in there which turns the whole thing on it's head.
My favorite spices: Cumin, Basil, Curry powder, Tony's Creole, dried red pepper, Garlic, Dill, basil, and many others that I can't think of just off the top of my head. I make sure to smell the spices before they go in and keep a sharp nose on the soup-in progress, if things turn bad I can usually save it.
Once in a while I pull off a supernal soup that I'm just geeked out about for days.

(One of my favorite combinations is Curry powder, Tony's Creole, dried red pepper, Garlic, Dill, basil and a chopped onion. It's incredibly acidic so you'll want to brush your teeth right after.)
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
We just had a nice little earthquake here, preliminary reading is 5.9, but it was centered out in the desert. It's just now 5:00 pm and so there was no wait to turn on the news and get the numbers. Ever since Northridge, news stations have a seismograph/seismocam in studio.

They were taliking about it as if it were pretty shaky and fairly big. And yes, the number is big. But I think I'm closer to it than they are and it felt just like a long wiggle and roll type. From experience, I knew it was fairly big and distant. It was nice to see I was right.

We seem to be getting some quakes clustered again. We had some significant ones all around Northridge, for a few years and then it got quiet for a long time. Yes, I know they're always happening. I'm talking about the ones that are easily felt. But the last couple of years have seen a re-emergence of relatively minor shakers - in SoCal. Though one relatively minor one 4.? hit a fault line that runs very close to my home. Now that was a shaker.
 


Posted by MikeL (Member # 9138) on :
 
I live in Nevada, but have felt a few earthquakes here. Mostly arround 4-5. Anyway, I think there have been more earthquakes in recent years then before.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
You know cell phone waves travel faster than earthquake waves. XKCD tells us so.

http://xkcd.com/723/
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I suppose it was too hopeful that this thread had died and gone to Thread Heaven.

Been through some moderate earthquakes when I was a kid up north, but nothing down here in Florida. Hurricanes, well, I've been through a lot of them---but you get warnings and time to prepare, at least in this day and age. The Big One in LA will be much more scary than even, say, Hurricane Katrina.

(My late uncle went through the Big One in Oakland / San Fran, y'know, the one that stopped the World Series. I heard (through my parents, who talked with him) that he had just driven his car onto the road and thought he had four flat tires. The rest, as they say, is history.)
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I'm not saying there won't be a 'big one' here someday, but I've been hearing, 'the big one is going to hit in the next thirty years,' for thirty seven years now. I was two when the Sylmar quake hit, and I don't remember it. There was another very big one a couple of years later that I do remember. And I've been through every one since then. I just think its silly to think we can narrow a geological force that functions on a million year scale down to thirty years. It's scientists pre-crying wolf so that if it happens they can say, 'I told you so'.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
As I recall, it's "on the order of" thirty years. That would mean it wouldn't be expected in under three years...but everybody'd be surprised if it didn't happen within three hundred years. (Guess what book I plagiarized this explanation from?)
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I always thought a 30 year earthquake was like a 30 year flood, each year there is a 1 in 30 chance of there being an earthquake. But if I think about it earthquakes are very different things.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Snapperdamus has a vision...

...the year the world will end is the same as the last post of this thread...

Wow. They don't call him the damus (at least that's what I think they call him) for nothing.
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I haven't had any caffeine since April 30th.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Sometimes the waffles make fun of me. So I have to punish them by drowning them in slightly maple syrup, then I cut them into tiny pieces. Then I get rid of the evidence the easy way. Hmmmmmmm.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
quote:
I haven't had any caffeine since April 30th.


You make me tired just reading this. Does that include chocolate?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Right now I've been up twenty-two-and-a-half hours, with intermittent nodding-off throughout the time. Don't be alarmed; it happens to me almost every Monday.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
I am required to punish the oatmeal cookies on an almost daily basis, because they refuse to stay in their packaging. I'd much rather discipline the brownies, but they don't visit very often. Luckily they're a mischievous crowd, when they do stop in!
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Robert, what's up with Mondays?

(My excuse for persistent head nodding is a probable case of sleep apnea.)
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Yes that includes chocolate. I'm not a big chocolate fan. I mostly like chocolate when it is wrapped around nougat or caramel or something. Reese's peanut butter cups are the best.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Just that it begins my weekend and I have dinner (kind of) with my parents at five PM, which, with this and that, keeps me up until seven---unless I nod off. Which means my day starts at eight PM the previous night and goes on almost twenty-four hours---again, unless I nod off.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Whoa. I've been visiting Hatrack forums for more than a decade.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Just before I left work at the P. O. plant this morning, word went round that one of our associated offices was on fire. But curse the luck! it hasn't yet been on the news...
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Back when I had a job, I used to day dream that the building would catch on fire...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I often have dreams of my machines exploding. Then I have to beat up all the terrorists with my stick, if I survived the initial explosion of course.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I once had a dream I was married to Will Farrel and Adam Sandler at the same time, and Adam Sandler divorced me because I lied about being Jewish, but Will Farrel loved me anyway.

I wonder what that was all about.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
How 'bout the dream where you wind up in a filthy bathroom with a filthy and overflowing toilet?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who dreams movies, you know where at the end credits roll.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Last night I dreamed I was watching someone make fun of a prominent politician of the 1970s and thinking that it was bad form to tell that joke as the politician had just died...thing is, in this real-life world, said politician is still very much alive. Wishful thinking?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
5 days without a post here. I better get musing....

Last weekend I paid a visit to my good friend and fellow hatracker Todd Rathke (Tiergan). Bright guy. Has a good head on his shoulders. A promising writer. We talked like old friends spending another day together. I am envious of his career nitche set in the quiet countryside of New Hampshire. Hope I can pay him another visit in the near future.

Todd makes the third hatracker I met and 4th writer friend. Scott Dantzer (BentTree) and Donavan Darius (Dark Warrior) were the other two. My job grants me the rare opportunity to be able to see the faces to the odd names on hatrack. I can't wait to meet more.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So you people have real names after all!
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Yeah Schmëerskåhøvên!

20 points for anyone who guesses the reference. (It's a song I've had in my head for days now.)

 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I tracked it down, but since I cheated to find the answer, I'll pass on revealing the answer, and let somebody who really knows have a shot. (I thought it was something else, actually.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
This morning I mowed the lawn, weedwhacking as well, a two-hour job...and, since then, I think I've been running a mild fever. I'm sitting here typing and, man, I'm a ball of sweat.

Also there's an impending thunderstom, and the power has been flickering on and off---I'm glad I discovered backup battery power---but I'd better conclude, go take my temperature, and then get some rest...
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Hey, it rained here. First time this summer.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Oh, I love the rain, especially when it cools down a hot day.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
The rain was nice. It almost got down to 100. A week or so ago it even went into the 90's. You never know how cool 96 feels until you've lived a month or so at 115. Of course with the rain now we have humidity.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My glasses fog up when it's humid or raining or whatever...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Okay, three days, and nobody posted the answer...I Googled it, and, near as I can tell, it's from an episode of "Pinky and the Brain." Am I right?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Yep, it was a dance that made you dumber each time you did it.
 
Posted by DRaney on :
 
Here is a writing challenge... A short story about how Pinky & the Brain actually succeed in taking over the world!
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
lol, a dance that makes you dumber. That is a good one. I suspect that after a certain number of times, you would become so dumb that you would forget how to do the dance. So in theory, there is a finite number of times a person (or mouse) could do the dance before they are too dumb to be able to do it.

I wonder if there is a formula for that....
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I wonder what would happen if you introduced it into a Dance Marathon...
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Is it possible for this topic to be too long? I mean how many pages can one topic hold or will it go on infinetly?
 
Posted by DRaney on :
 
OOOHHHHH... that's how Pinky and the Brain could do it... they could trick everybody into doing a dance marathon... and then, and then...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, it seemed like a good idea a year and a half ago...now, most of the time, I can't even remember what I said between then and now.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
It started with something about Sheena's hamster feet smelling like her hair gel.

Which begs the question...what is Sheena's nose doing so close to her hamsters feet anyway?
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I love the smell of hamster feet in the morning.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Nothing against hamsters, but I prefer mice. I share my Eggos with three of them every morning.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I wasn't saying anything negative about the topic. I think it's rather fun. I was just randomly musing about how a big a topic can get.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Rats make nice pets, as long as you can sleep through perpetual gnawing noises, don't mind tiny razor-like toes, and are not afraid of a creature whose ancestors destroyed entire human communities. To tell the truth, I adored the pet rats in my childhood. I can't imagine hamsters or mice are as smart or loyal to their playmates.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I suppose we can carry on, or we can misquote Apocalypse Now.

Speaking of which, whatever happened with the movie quote thread?
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
That's a great idea, Robert. I think I'll start a "hamster misquote" thread.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Mice are pretty smart and interactive. That's one of the reasons I like them. There are a couple of reasons I have not gotten a rat and both are quite practical.

One: I like to give my critters a lot of freedom and I think if I had something as large as a rat I would be wanting to give it free run of the apartment, at least when I was home. But with a roommate and lots of electronics wires to get chewed, that's not a good option. My mice not only have a cage with a bunch of tubing to crawl around in, I've also built a plexi-glass playground in front of their cage - the two take up the width of the coffee table. And I have a portcullis in the playground wall so they can run all over the coffee table when I'm around. They also get to play on the couch or my computer desk when I'm there. So to me, rats would need even more space. (Please note: the plexiglass playground is not that extraordinary when you consider that I work in a frame shop and have access to all that stuff and the tools. I'm not totally mouse-crazy.)

Two: I like to travel and I try to take a big trip every 2-3 years. I've chosen not to get long-lived animals because I don't want to abandon them to others' care for six to eight weeks at a time. I actually chose mice so that I could have several at a time (females) for the duration between trips.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Never had a hamster...come to think of it, I never had anything other than a cat and sometimes a dog.

Come to think of that, strictly speaking, I never had a pet of my own...all the cats and dogs in my family belonged to the family. Though I was responsible for acquiring some of the cats, they were all collectively ours. Since I've been living in my own place, I haven't had a pet live with me for any length of time.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I had two hamster when I was in middle school. They lived in my cold dark room (it was cold to me, I was living in phoenix AZ). One Saturday I thought they would apreciate time outside to see the sun and feel the warmth. I left them outside in their plastic cage for three hours in direct sunlight and when I came back they were both dead. My mom said I was never allowed to have a hamster again. In my defense I really had no idea that the sun would kill them.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Last night I had a New Historicist nightmare, I'm so glad this class will be over in a week. Now I just have to remember to write that paper so I don't have to take the blasted class again.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Last afternoon I was up till just after three PM---when you have to get up at eight PM that's too late to go to bed. I was rereading Niven and Pournelle's Escape from Hell...so, naturally, when I did get to sleep, I was wandering around the Inferno and running into various characters from The Series of my Internet Fan Fiction period.

I can't even write that one up and send it out as a fanfic---they kinda made a videogame of the concept, something I didn't remember until I woke up. It's been done. Ah, well...maybe I'll reload the thing on my computer and give it another spin. (I can see the box it came in from here---now what in Hell did I do with the disk?)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I did put the game on my computer, and did play it awhile---it brought back a lot of memories---then I got an error message and was cut off and out---and then the disk wouldn't eject. I tried prying it open, but couldn't get a good grip on it.

This morning, though, the disk holder ejected without any problems. Go figure.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Boo
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I'm going to Wahoo's to get some Linner. Care to join me?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Knock Knock.
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Who's there?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Time Traveling Ghost.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Time Travelling Ghost who?
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Th problem with time travelers is that they are never there when you need them.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I think the intellectual level of these boards has reached a new low...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Thank you. *Takes a bow.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Oh no! You mean I've missed the limbo contest?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
This morning on Fox News I saw one of their reporters and a well-known entertainer eating deep-fried butter on a stick. Ew.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
Mmmmm. Butter!

 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
If I run fast enough I can get across the street and back before the light changes.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ah, but can you make it there and back before a car decides to move from one side of the red light to the other?
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I was just watching Meet the Press, like I do just about every Sunday morning, and saw something that I have never noticed before:

John Williams (the composer of themes for Star Wars, E.T., Superman, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, etc.) also wrote the theme to Meet the Press (and apparently NBC Nightly News).

I haven't been so surprised since learning that Paul Shaffer, from David Letterman fame, wrote "It's Raining Men" and that he is heterosexual.
 


Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
Good Lord, this thing goes on forever!!!

I've stopped at Level 7 (seventh page) just to catch my breath! I just noticed it today and thought, oh, I could read it all in one sitting. NOT! I'll have to come back tomorrow after I feed my pet shark.

So why is a raven like a writing desk?
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
A raven is like a writing desk because the Mad Hatter said so.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I thought it was because Poe wrote on both.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
You have a shark PB and Jenny?
 
Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
Not any more. It died while I was reading all these great posts!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was going to say something here about the volume of posts, but, instead, I decided to add a "hamster" to it and put it in the Misquotes thread...
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
It amazes me how so many get-rich-for-nothing scams continuely hit my spam box. Would have thought they exhausted the greed-over-intelligence crowd by now.
The one I got this morning is the ballsiest one yet. Check it out...

quote:
...This is to bring to your notice
that we are delegated from the UNITED NATIONS in Central Bank in conjuction with
the WORLD BANK GROUP OF THE UNITED STATE OF AMERICA to pay you victims of scam
$500,000 USD (Five Hundred Thousand Dollars). You are listed and approved for
this payment as one of the
scammed victims to be paid this amount, get back to this office as soon as
possible for the immediate payments of your $500,000 USD compensations funds...

The email to claim your funds is to a fight_crime.(whatever the guys name is).org

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited August 18, 2010).]
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Wow, that is an interesting new angle on the Spanish Prisoner scam. Making the mark also the eponymous victim.
One of these days I want to try the "send me money just for fun," scam.

Anyways, have any of you had nightmares about something you wrote. Last week I wrote a ten page paper applying the ideas of Taoism to Franz Kafka's The Trial, it's been driving me nuts.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
All I get lately are offers for expensive watches...though the Canadian pharmacies are making a comeback.

There is, or used to be, an online game where the contestants added up how much money the Nigerian banking scam offered them. A couple of them had totals in the billions. (Someone I knew in my Internet Fan Fiction days was, I think, fourth or fifth on the list in those days---that's how I heard about it.)

*****

I used to have a dream where my book would be published in paperback---and I'd take a bite out of it. I haven't had that dream in a while, though.

Psychologically, I think it meant that books, buying and reading, were, in those days, nearly as important as eating to me. I suppose I grew out of it, probably when I had to buy and / or cook my own food.

Sometimes it would be a manuscript I'd eat. Same thing, I guess.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Some of you who've waded through these posts probably remember me grousing about the times management failed to hand over a paycheck on its due date...

Well, they did it again!

(More as this develops.)
 


Posted by Strychnine (Member # 9207) on :
 
Last night, while watching TV, I saw an orange juice commercial that was explaining how their growers were becoming environmentally friendly. During the course of the commercial they made this comment:

"...by growing our oranges with solar power..."

Does anyone else find this comment strange?

[This message has been edited by Strychnine (edited August 20, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
What some people will try to get credit for boggles the mind. I've seen ads for phone service saying you can switch providers and keep your old phone number---the government mandated the phone companies let this be done, and now they're using it as a selling point.
 
Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
Yesterday, someone paid me to tattoo "Eat Sh-t" on the inside of their lower lips. (They bought the vowel.)
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
That's hilarious Strychnine. I wonder if I've seen that comercial and missed it.

Tomorrow is my daughter's birthday.
 


Posted by Strychnine (Member # 9207) on :
 
Happy birthday satate's daughter!
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
Thanks, she's six now.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Which vowel?

*****

Congratulations to satate and her daughter.

*****

I got paid today---but the whole thing seriously inconvenienced me. There's a grievance procedure for things like this, but it doesn't stop management from doing what they want to do.
 


Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
My best dog died yesterday. He choked himself on a chain. I blame it on squirrels.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My sympathies.
 
Posted by Lissa (Member # 9206) on :
 
Sorry PB! There is a wonderful ditty (complete with illustration and music) on Youtube. Go check it out; it is very comforting.

It is "GoD And DoG" or "DoG and GoD" (or something like that...)

Lis
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
First day of Kindergarten today for my oldest. While I am excited for the quiet in a house free of a five year old boy, my heart is breaking.

It's the end of an era, really. I've been home with my son every single day of his life. I've seen every art project, heard him read his first words, made almost every meal, and seen every pirate/ninja/spy/store clerk he's come up with. Now I have to share him.

Boo for that.

But yay for the quiet writing time.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ya gotta let go sooner or later. I read when Douglas MacArthur went to West Point, his mother checked into a nearby hotel so she could still be close to him. Reportedly, everybody in the Army thought it was funny---except, I imagine, Douglas MacArthur and his father.
 
Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
Thanks Lissa, that was a very sweet video. It made me miss my dog even more, but I'll survive.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Last night I watched a bat outsmart thirteen custodians, one of them was me. (Although he couldn't have been that smart since we were trying to get him outside to freedom.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Last night, when I ducked into the men's room for a short...sit down, I found some butt-brain had left the water running in the handicap sink. The sink overflowed and the water was all over the floor.

Despite repeated calls for a custodian "with a mop" over the intercom / loudspeakers, I don't know if any custodian-with-a-mop ever came...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I think it was because they were all chasing bats.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Today said handicap sink had a big plastic bag over it---their way of telling everybody it's not working. Didn't think it was busted when I turned it off...unless it turns itself on all by itself. (We've had other equipment that's done that.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
By the way, I took some advantage of a rare extra day off 'cause of the holiday...I slept for ten hours, 5:30 pm to 3:30 am, then spent a lot of the morning cutting up old cartoon printouts and pasting them into spiral notebooks.

Writing? Nah...not yet...
 


Posted by DRaney on :
 
Great Line;

"No matter what the rational part of my head thinks, when I see
someone hurt a woman my inner gigantopithicus wants to reach for the nearest bone and go Kubrickian on someones head." Harry Dresden, "Blood Rites" - Jim Butcher '04 ROC.

Just thought I'd share...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I've been taking a native american literature class and it has been giving me the weirdest dreams.

Last night I dreamed I was on the other side of the Grand Canyon. (I'm not sure why I thought it was the other side.) And I saw this condor snatch a raccoon out of a little tree and then it flew over to me, I was hiding under a mattress so it didn't see me. The raccoon was screaming and crying till the condor said, "don't worry it's going to be fine," and started tickling it. Then the condor chopped it up and ate it on a bed of rice.

Now where did I put my Mid-Summer Night's Dream Cream?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
What did I dream last night? Oh, something about a problem booking a hotel room...
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Did you know that Grist in the Mill is the youngest forum on hatrack yet has the fifth most posts? Feedback and Fragments for books is a few thousand posts away, them its Introductions that is next. 6880 posts for a forum that is less than two years old is something else...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Everybody needs to talk about things that aren't writing-related once in a while. Why so surprised?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Plus sometimes we feel the need to spew general weirdness and it's better to have that stuff in an out of the way room than in the main one. I think it has led to a more professional Open Discussion forum.

Now where did I put those fish?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Come to think of it, isn't it "Grist for the Mill"?
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
potatoes, potatoes... that doesn't translate well in text.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
That's why it works better to write: potatoes, tomatoes. You get people thinking about the song, so the concept gets across.
 
Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Song? What song? No one told me there's a song!
All I know is, "You say potato, I say potato."

Had 'em baked last night, by the way. Salt and butter. Yum!
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Potatos or tomatos?

I like my tomatos raw, not cooked, unless they're part of a sauce, like spaghetti sauce or pizza sauce.
 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
mmmmmm I like potatoes and tomatoes

Yes there is a song. Off the top of my head I think it's a broadway song.
 


Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
... let's call the whole thing off.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Either, either, neither, neither...
 
Posted by Strychnine (Member # 9207) on :
 
Next thing you know, you guys are going to try to polish the polish furniture.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Mmm, polish sausage.
 
Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
I had a great idea for a T-shirt.

'When empty, please dispose of me properly.'

I made a bumper sticker that says, 'Not responsible for accidents.'


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I suppose it's a little late to ask, but have you guys ever actually heard the song?
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I've played it on the piano, sung it, and accompanied someone else singing it, but no I don't recall ever hearing a recording of it. I also have the sheet music of it. It's part of an anthology of Broadway songs.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I have a cd with Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong performing. It's great.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Actually, I can't remember the first version of it I ever heard...what comes to mind are assorted parody versions, like the one where a guy who "didn't get it" tried to make it through the song, or one where Al Franken and Tom Davis substituted a few other words...
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
It is so hot here! It was 107 today. There is no excuse for that. The other day it was 98 and I thought it felt so cool. That is sick. 98 degrees is not cool. It is only cool when your mind is warped from constant 100 degree plus weather for way too long.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Here in LA we've had a non-summer. We didn't just have a bad case of June Gloom - summer never showed up at all. Well that is until the first day of fall. The last few days have been in the high eighties - low nineties and I'm loving it. But I'm sure it's the same heat wave that's making it miserable for you satate - sorry.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Down here in Florida, summer is the best eleven months of the year.

Fifteen-some years of readings on my indoor-outdoor thermometer yield that it's never been hotter than ninety-nine-point-zero Fahrenheit...it's never been lower than thirty-one-point-eight, though...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I have a memory of the song on Sesame Street.


 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Random thought
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
I suspect that a quarter of the people riding my bus work for law agencies.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
What do you expect? Seems nearly everybody in college these days wants to be a lawyer...that way, they can be the ones who write the rules that will let the government govern their lives.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Lawyers rarely write laws. One of the guys on my bus does edit State statutes, though. He works in the capital building and doesn't seem to talk to anyone on the bus but me. Poor man.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
And I capitalized "state" out of habit. Guess where I work.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
If lawyers don't write the laws and regulations, why is Wasington infested with them?
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
They represent the federal bureaucrats who forget that some laws apply to them.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Oh, right. My random thought: What is one supposed to do with stories that don't fit any decent markets? Print the stories out and use the pages as kindling?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
If the stories don't fit a decent market does this mean that the story is itself indecent? Then I guess you have to send it to indecent markets.

They don't call me the greatest for nothing, I actually have to pay them quite a bit of money.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm on vacation. Three weeks and change. Away from that hellhole I call "my job." I won't be going away till Saturday, and I hope to squeeze in some writing in between prepping for that---usually I don't have the time.

Then again, I'll only be gone from weekend to weekend, so I'll have time on my hands when I get back---maybe more writing.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I've recently had a nostalgia trip in the form of old cartoons. I've discovered something, She-Ra had dynamically better writing than He-Man. As a boy who loved He-Man and hated She-Ra it was depressing to discover this.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've been wondering about the decline of the half-hour cartoon show...Disney and Nickelodeon went into serious live-action...even the Cartoon Network runs some live-action stuff, why I don't pretend to know...and the ones that have come to pass seem, well, kind of "smarmy" to me. Difficult to describe, actually, but there seems to be a heavy "we know we're in a cartoon" vibe to the characters.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Qubo actually has some decent cartoons. In particular, Jacb Two-Two stands out. It's just fun and the characters are enjoyable. An old-fashioned adventure.
 
Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
I've been wondering why cartoons, for so long, anyway, were considered for children (and mainstream animated movies are still geared more for children than for adults--yes, I am aware that there are all kinds of animated "adult" things out there, but I'm talking about the general perception of cartoons as being for children).

What is it about cartoons and animation that made them kid-stuff in the first place? (When I was a kid, I believe the cartoons we saw on tv were actually "short subjects" that had all kinds of allusions to and depictions of actors and actresses and movies for adults, and I also believe they were produced to be shown in the movie theaters before they ever made it to tv.)

So when and why did animation, for so very long, become associated with "for kids"? Was it production costs (no paying expensive actors) or simplified images or what?

Any ideas, anyone?
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Yes, I watch a lot of Qubo, I was so happy to see Spliced return, it's my favorite show right now. (There was a really brilliant short the other day involving a refrigerator.) Although it being on Qubo is the weirdest part of it all. I would really like to see the return of the cartoon variety show, the last one we had was Animaniacs and that was a really long time ago (In TV terms anyway.)

I'm not sure why people came to think of animation as just for "kids." There is some really brilliant things being done with it these days. (Although it's hard to find in all the Anime and honest to goodness baby stuff.) Of course there is alot of good anime and Gaijin Anime too.

My Shortlist of stuff running right now: WordGirl, Spliced, Jacob Two-Two, Martha Speaks, and one other that I can picture in my head but can't remember the title.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Pyre, I don't know spliced but I'm with you on the others. Sitting Ducks is good for a chuckle too.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Forgot I was a big fan of "Jane and the Dragon," from Qubo and syndication.

Some of what I perceive as "decline" could be attributed to CGI and such---Pixar's pulling it off but it's a lazy way out for the guys who put on half-hour TV cartoons.

It's odd to discuss "realism" in connection with cartoons, but, as far as the cartoons go, they often don't have it. Something like, oh, that "Fairy Godparents" thing usually on Nickelodeon. (Is that the name? I forget. Or is it on the Cartoon Network? I forget, too.) (I'll pick on it 'cause it seems kind of the start of the problem.) The kids in it don't talk like kids, don't act like kids, and don't relate to each other or to their parents or anyone else like kids. Same for any of the other characters---they just don't come across as what they're supposed to be, but parodies of what they're supposed to be.

Something about that sort of posture, on the part of the creators, in the ongoing creation of a cartoon show, just rubs me the wrong way. I'm not really looking for satiric masterpieces when I look at, well, anything---but cartoons in particular.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I grew up on Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry and Yogi Bear. So I guess I'm not looking for any sort of realism out of my cartoons. Just entertainment.

Having said that, I do like cartoons that are smart. Animaniacs and Jacob Two-Two certainly fit that category.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I liked Bugs Bunny cartoons, too...but they were six minutes long each, not stretched to half an hour or longer. Right now, I like mundane things like plot and character, things that are moved along by humor, where humor itself is not the point. (Most of the Hanna-Barbera school of TV cartoon work didn't hold up for me when I caught glimpses as an adult.)
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It was "Fairly Odd Parents," playing off Fairy Godparents.

Spliced is probably one of those "humor is the point" things. There isn't much of a plot (and they usually follow the two segments in a half-hour episode model) but it's all about the characters. Qubo shows it a 2 in the morning because some people really don't think it fits with the Qubo ideal. Which it doesn't, all the characters in it are basically trying not to get smashed or eaten by the other freaks while trying to have fun. It also comes with things like, "the moral of the story is don't shove antelopes up your nose because they have pointy horns which will poke your brain." It's been described as the Island of Dr. Moreau for kids.
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
My house votes for Jacob Two-Two, Jane and the Dragon, B.G. and Rescue Heroes, although I am not a big fan of Rescue Heroes.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
(On "Fairly Oddparents"...when I posted, it was relatively late and I was relatively tired...when I'm tired my mind isn't firing on all cylinders. I'm up pretty late right now (by my standards) but I think I've shaken some of the blurry fatigue off...)

I haven't done more than glance at Qubo, but the stuff on it does seem to be pitched to a younger age group than, say, the stuff on Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network or Disney. The "one-digit age-group" stuff on most of the channels generally turns me off.

Of course there's Adult Swim...but most of that has turned me off, too, and the only things I look into on that come from outside, like cast-off network rejects or Japanimation.

By the way, has anybody besides me noticed that Nickelodeon and Disney have largely abandoned their half-hour cartoon shows? And even Cartoon Network is starting to run live-action stuff? What gives?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Might as well say it here...I won't be around for the next week and a half...it's time for my vacation and, as I've said before, when I "get away from it all," "it all" includes going online.

Keep up the good work here.
 


Posted by Tiergan (Member # 7852) on :
 
I had a moose in my yard Thursday.
 
Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
Have a nicely "random" vacation, Robert.
 
Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
I've got a buddy in Alaska who's almost been run down by moose three times. He's a very fast runner.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Is a moose mixed with a buffalo called a moosalo or a buffaloose?
 
Posted by Tiergan (Member # 7852) on :
 
The Lions won!!!!
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I know some of you probably saw this before, but I love it.

AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT!!!!
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
One more.

You've gotta watch this first one, um, first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcpx8O82KLM

And now this one will make more sense. Thank Gods for Auto-Tune, quite possibly the jelly to Youtube's peanut butter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIs7OY4anao&feature=related
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I loved it. I watched it while I was eating at Carl's Jr and laughed out load. Everyone turned to look at me but I didn't care. That was funny!
 
Posted by Ethereon (Member # 9133) on :
 
@Tiergan: I suppose that must be the Detroit Lions. The BC Lions lost to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers during my Thanksgiving dinner on Monday.

Oh yeah, happy belated Thanksgiving Canadians. Happy belated Columbus Day Americans.
 


Posted by Tiergan (Member # 7852) on :
 
Yep it was the Detroit Lions, I threw it in there for Snapper, I didnt want him to be the only one cheering for them
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
"The black soul-brother needed time to prove his innocence."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWHNA_j7h5A


 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Uh, rich? I think that's enough of the youtube links.

Okay?

Thanks.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Oh, man! <snaps fingers>

(Resisting the urge to post a link to Swiper the Fox)
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
What does that say about the type of person you are when you get fired from the 'volunteer' job you recruited to do?

 
Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
What does it say? Probably that your "type" doesn't fit very well with whatever "type" the person in charge likes best.

I'd bet that "volunteers" are sometimes easier to fire because they aren't getting paid (and therefore won't be losing income), so the people who "fire" them don't think they have to feel as guilty about it.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Made it back...just starting to assess what's been posted in my absence. Had a good time...in ten days of travel I was only sick three days.

And I think next time I'll leave my typewriter behind...it just takes up space, and I never use the damned thing while away...
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
Robert, you should get a laptop.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Yeah a laptop is lighter to carry around not using.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've thought about it...but a laptop is one more thing I'd have to worry about if I took it along. One more expensive thing, at that. (I'm still on my original cellphone, being not inclined to update to texting or Blackberrying or iPhoning or whatevering.)
 
Posted by Ethereon (Member # 9133) on :
 
Oh, the waiting!
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The waiting for the hating.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The way-a-thing is the hardest part.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hmm...blew the joke with a typo...
 
Posted by Ethereon (Member # 9133) on :
 
Tom Petty Robert?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
No, just Tom Petty. Maybe the Heartbreakers, too.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
You know it really sucks to spend a day and a half stripping and waxing a floor in a locked closet only to come back after the last coat to find a line of nicely defined footprints and wheelmarks right through the middle of it. You would have though the person would have at least wondered why all the junk in the closet was out in the hallway, or even noticed that the floor was sticky.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Well, if it was a closet they were probably in and out before it registered then thought oh no or were too dense to feel anything.

By the way who unlocked the door for you?
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
One of the perks of being a custodian who need to strip and wax floors is I have the key.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
That helps but does unlock from the inside?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
One of our complaints when our custodians strip the floor wax is that they use the combined cleaning powers of ammonia and bleach. If you don't know why that's grounds for complaint, check it out...

A lot of our newer custodians are former postal clerks...it's a combination of the practice of excessing employees, and the desire of not wanting to relocate to Orlando from southwest Florida...meanwhile, we're short-handed and they're not done excessing...
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Dang, I need some coffee.
 
Posted by Ethereon (Member # 9133) on :
 
Oh Butterface...
So I was checking email when I heard exuberant sounds eminating from the kitchen.
Yep, when I went to investigate all three of my critters had their faces in the butterdish on the floor. Odds on it was Devious Daughter who got it off the counter though -- to the delight of Delinquent Dogs.
Hmmph. I see I have degenerated into silly alliterations. I'm in that kind of mood.

[This message has been edited by Ethereon (edited October 27, 2010).]
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Ammonia & bleach is a nightmare, we use this stuff called Freedom, which still stinks and is among the slickest substances known to man, but it ain't no ammonia and bleach.

LD, there's this magical thing called a doorknob that when turned allows access through the portal. If my freedom was dependent on a government issued doorstop I don't think I'd last very long in this job.

Etherion: Delighted Delinquent Dogs do diabolical doings during delicious dairy dish downing, Devious Daughter's decision, dinner destroyed.
 


Posted by Brendan (Member # 6044) on :
 
F&Ffor short works was silent for nearly four days. No one posted a thing. That must be some sort of record.

[This message has been edited by Brendan (edited October 27, 2010).]
 


Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
That means more people need to post stories. I would, but that means I would have to write something first...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
First day back at work. Busy night, too. I come home exhausted, take a shower, start to dress. I put my first sock on, then bend over and put my second sock on. I reach for my third sock and feel around a few moments before it hits me---what do I need a third sock for? I've only got two feet...man I was tired.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

LD, there's this magical thing called a doorknob that when turned allows access through the portal. If my freedom was dependent on a government issued doorstop I don't think I'd last very long in this job.


Indeed, except you said it was a locked closet.


 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
F&F for short stories

I could post something from an older stories. I haven't done any short stories for a while, but I have my time back now so maybe I will again soon. Still have lots of ideas.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yesterday afternoon, I slept for an hour when I first lay down, then fifteen minutes before I got up---for the rest, I tossed and turned. I'm running on fumes right now.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Then, to top it all off, my new glasses came in. Now I've got to get used to how things look out of 'em, tired and all...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Yes the closet was locked but that doesn't change the fact that I had the key. Even when the door was open it was still locked. Even when it's unlocked it is still locked. For it to not be locked I would need a screwdriver, or possibly a hacksaw.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Okay, I think we're having what I call "a COOL HAND LUKE moment." (As in "what we have here is a failure to communicate.")

Pyre Dynasty, I believe LDWriter2 just wanted clarification on how the marks could have been made on the newly waxed floor of a locked closet. You know, as in "locked room mystery" perhaps?
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Kathleen and Prye I need to apologize. I thought he might of misstated his sentence by accidently saying it was locked while he was in it. So it was a smart aleck comment to draw his attention to that "mistake". I used quotes because it turns out not to be a misstatement.


 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Oh yeah

I'm glad the silly season is almost over. Tues., the second.

[This message has been edited by LDWriter2 (edited October 30, 2010).]
 


Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
If you voted early, you can ignore the silly season.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Paid for by the Committee to Elect Corky and to Make Civil Discourse Silly Beyond Recognition.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who are voting for Corky and those who worship the devil.

Paid for by the Committee to Elect Corky and to Promote Religious Fear.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, based on my past experience going through the whole damn process, I can already tell you that Wednesday will dawn---assuming anybody goes to bed before the last results are in---and the first phone survey that morning will be on the question, "Who do you like for President in 2012?" (The next thing will be someone declaring himself a candidate within the week.)
 
Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 

 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Can't talk. I'm at the rally.
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I voted early. While waiting in line, I told the woman behind me that I thought I hoped I had enough money to pay the cover charge. She said that she didn't think there was a cover charge. I told her of course she'd say that. Women get in free on Wednesdays so they don't have to pay the cover.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

If you voted early, you can ignore the silly season.

No, you can't. It's on TV, the radio, in the mail, on your answering machine. On the local News. Even in my local area there is talk of voter fraud, pressuring the county clerk to do early voting and really off the wall ads for a country commissioner. That's never happened with a CC before.


 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I think Robert Nowall is correct.

From one silly season to another so quick.


And to respond to another note. I don't believe there's a good reason for early voting.


 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Boo!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

Boo!

There's that too.

I like to see various costumes, some can be very well done.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Blast from the past...last week, I watched this Lord Peter Wimsey DVD, "Murder Must Advertise." They're a BBC series of five multiparters from the 1970s, starring the late Ian Carmichael as Dorothy L. Sayers's Wimsey. I watched them all...but this was the only one I missed the first time around. (Read the book, of course, but I really didn't remember that much of it.) Good stuff...period pieces, set in the 1920s and 1930s, like the books...I enjoyed it.

The thing is, part of the plot involved cocaine smuggling. What startled me was the amount of cocaine. They were making a big deal about these distributors who were hauling it around in these eensey-weensey itty-bitty packets...and when you're used to seeing the cops of here-and-now stop guys who are hauling it around in ginormous bales, it sees much ado about nearly nothing...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Oh, yeah, it's Halloween, right? Happy Halloween...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Sorry LD I knew what you were driving at and was playing the smart aleck myself.

I tried to vote for Corky but I might have accidentally poked the wrong hole, and I didn't push hard enough. So if you find a hanging or dimpled chad for the other guy remember to count it for Corky.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I'm glad we never used those poky, holy(As in lots of holes) ballets.

But now we might be switching to those non-holy (As in not God like) ____ awful electronic machines.

They were used in one day of early voting, but Tues we are supposedly using the normal ballets. However, that could mean next year they switch over.

[This message has been edited by LDWriter2 (edited November 01, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So who do you like for President in 2012?
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 

Not even in Grist for the Mill, please?

Edited to add:

Unless you nominate someone like Robert Nowall, or maybe Corky--in other words, a Hatrack participant.

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited November 03, 2010).]
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Yes, let's all write in Robert Nowall for pres, someone's got to stop the Corky agenda.
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I'll vote for Robert.

I also have a calc II test on Friday over power series representations... I might have to retake calc II. I am not a happy camper right now.

Of course, I could just move to the mountains and forget about school and society and technology and then I'd be a happy camper. Or maybe not, I like electricity and hot water. I guess I just can't be happy anywhere.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
If nominated I shall not run, and if elected I shall not serve. I've had enough of government service working for the post office...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Which makes you a prime presidential candidate, although we may have to lock you in the oval office till you promise to behave. (Hey that's an idea for a story, the one who gets to be president is the one who doesn't want to do the job the most.)

In my class I've been dependent on a game of email tag to get a project done. I lost, it's gonna take special dispensation for me to pull this thing off.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hey, I can run.

Old enough and born in the US and all that.


That reminds me do you know that Bob Hope ran? For as long as his TV special lasted many years ago. But he had to stop because a school pupil reminded him that he was born in England.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hey, I know places where you can argue whether or not a certain Presidential somebody was or was not born within the United States, and therefore is or is not eligible to be President.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

Hey, I know places where you can argue whether or not a certain Presidential somebody was or was not born within the United States, and therefore is or is not eligible to be President.

I know, but those people may have gotten the idea years ago from the Bob Hope run.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
And of course we wouldn't want this site turning into one of those sites, would we?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

Humph, don't blame me that Mr. Hope started this 20 plus ears ago. Come to think of it may have been in the Seventies when he was doing a lot of TV specials. He probably thought if an actor could run a comedian could run...for an hour anyway. As I just recalled he almost got Sammy Davis Jr. to run as Vice President.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Walt Kelly used to run a "Pogo for President" campaign within his comic strip. It worked until Pogo started drawing some write-in votes in the actual elections...

*****

Ah, comic strips...two of my favorites came to the bitter end last month. First "Cathy," with great fanfare and publicity...then "Cleats," with barely a whimper---I mean, I didn't even hear it was ending until the last week...
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Robert, I know what you mean about "Cathy", I loved that one. They are running reruns on at least one of the comics sites. I missed a year or two so I can use this time to catch up and also see ones I have forgotten.

The part I missed is where she married her original boyfriend. But I'm glad the way she ended it even though she could have gone all the way through the nine months.

[This message has been edited by LDWriter2 (edited November 08, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I have a certain regret that the strip didn't last long enough so we could see the birth of Cathy's mother's first grandchild.

But, on the other had, who wants to see that in a comic strip? Too graphic for my tastes...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
But this has nothing whatsoever to do with monkeys.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

But this has nothing whatsoever to do with monkeys.

It doesn't?!?!

Oops, I thought it did-(scratching hairy head).
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We could talk hamsters again...
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I'm a hamster killer.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I need to finish writing this scene and I'm out of coffee!!!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

I have known hamster killers. I've never had one to kill.


There's a line in a song about vegans BBQing hamsters.

[This message has been edited by LDWriter2 (edited November 14, 2010).]
 


Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
Please clarify?

Is a hamster killer someone who kills hamsters, or is a hamster killer, a hamster that kills?

Or both?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You could be one and still do the other...
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Ha! Beat you to the punch this time, Mr Skadder. Post 2500 (Woo-Hoo)

 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
How did this thread get so violent? With 2 kinds of hamster killers and beatings and punchings. I guess this is called urban decay, once a thread gets old enough it gets taken over by violent factions.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There are press reports about some guy in Ohio who used to go 'round killing neighborhood animals, but has been picked up when he advanced to people...the whole thing seems so unbearably disgusting, actually...
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Had an uncle on my father's side who had the nasty habit of "hurting" small animals. From what I understand, things got progressively worse as he apparently was extremely violent on the high school football field (he was a big guy). Also, from what I understand, he was taken to a doctor and they "operated on his brain".

Partial lobotomies do work as he was one of the gentlest (and dullest) people I've known.

That's all true, by the way. My stepmother recounted this stuff to me later.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
There was a neighborhood near me that had a string of cat mutilations, and so they were trying to find the psycho before they moved up to humans. It went on for weeks, the neighborhood was in an absolute panic. Finally they set cameras up all over the place. They had another cat mutilation so they looked at the tape . . . it was a fox that had moved into the neighborhood and was exerting it's territory.
 
Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
I had two sets of hamsters in my childhood, both ended up dead before their time.

The first wasn't may fault but the second was. My mom said I could never have another hamster after the second.

I have also killed several fish.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I have this thing where, if I take a sudden intense like and interest in someone's work, they drop dead within the week. So far, this has killed two science fiction writers and Elvis Presley.

This is probably why most of the writers I really really like are really really dead...

(Don't mention it to those Elvis worshippers---no sense of humor.)
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Satate, I am right there with you on the fish thing - I can't seem to keep them alive. Change the water, don't change the water, change the filter, don't change the filter, add ammonium diluters, but not too much. It's a pain just to keep them alive!


 


Posted by satate (Member # 8082) on :
 
They are hard. When we moved I didn't know I had to use the tank water when putting them in bags and before we were out the door the fish were floating upside down. They were my first fish.

I still feel bad about the hamsters. I only wanted them to be able to feel the sun and not be so chilly.
 


Posted by DRaney on :
 
I just watched an old man bent over a cane helping an old but younger man in a wheelchair. Together they accomplished what neither could have done alone. Humbling.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
And wishing you and yours a Merry Thanksgiving!
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Happy Thanksgiving!!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was so busy yesterday I couldn't get near this site. Got up for work. Overtime. Going out shopping---to the grocery store (or the supermarket, for you more modern types). Coming back and macheteing through some of my regular list of websites (mostly online comics). Breaking off to dine on leftover turkey.

Then to bed, late, only to start all over again five hours later.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
A lot of angels are laughing today.
 
Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
Kinda ranting on here, but whatever. Don't mind me.

Lost my job recently, only to have my employer lie to UI about why. Thanks to new laws in NJ, I was denied benefits for two months, which means I missed all those nice sales that I usually use to buy gifts for everyone. At least Chanukah candles still retail for a buck and change. Which, of course, prompts the question, who knowingly picks a seemingly unwinnable legal battle with a Jew? Especially when I mention in court that they once refused to let me have off for one of our infamous 25 hour "no food, no water" fasts.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
quote:
...who knowingly picks a seemingly unwinnable legal battle with a Jew?

Pontius Pilate?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Interfering with the practice of one's religion would be a serious AND actionable problem...but, I've got to say, I'm not familiar with this particular religious practice, at least not in Judaism.

I can't recall anyone who did it, but they may not have been either particularly faithful to the religion, or perhaps a different branch of it.
 


Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
We have two "major fasts" and a half dozen or so minor ones that run from sunrise to sunset. The major ones run from sunset on one day until nightfall of the next, the most famous of which is Yom Kippur, the Jewish day of atonement. The one in question, however, was called Tisha B'Av, which commemorates the sacking of the Temple of Jerusalem.

For instance, baseball player Sandy Koufax once famously refused to play a World Series game during the fast of Yom Kippur. Convert Sammy Davis Jr. once refused to film while fasting.

During major fasts (and admittedly, Tisha B'Av isn't a very popular holiday, but Yom Kippur is widely, widely practiced, even among relatively secular Jews), we don't eat or drink anything, unless medically obliged to, engage in sexual intercourse, bathe beyond ritual washing up to the knuckles, or wear leather shoes. Also, because Tisha B'Av is considered a day of mourning, we don't greet anyone.

Tisha B'Av occurs during the dog days of summer, either July or August depending on how the Hebrew calendar falls, so working (as I was expected, in a kitchen with three ovens of all places) isn't merely a spiritual violation, it's a dehydration hazard as well.

I worked for most of my shift, until I felt too uncomfortable, then left. When the manager on duty objected, I told them there wasn't much they could do about it without getting sued.

[This message has been edited by EP Kaplan (edited November 30, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I recall the holidays, of course...but, also, those I knew would eat certain things, but did not fast per se. However, I wasn't in their homes during these days and can't say with certainty what they were doing.

*****

I do remember reading once, that an actor who was the first "team leader" on the 1960s series Mission: Impossible, the guy there the first year before Peter Graves...did practice his faith and not work on these holidays---which was one reason why, after one year, they dropped his contract and hired Graves.

There are occasions where practicing one's job and practicing one's religion will lead to aggravation and conflict with others...and there are occasions where this will lead to someone else disposing of the aggravation and conflict by disposing of the original someone. One must be honest and forthright with those others about this matter from the beginning...and be prepared for hard decisions about what's important, and to be prepared to bear up under the consequences...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The trouble with bringing up past grievances (like the time they didn't let you off for that holiday) is they have an expiration date. I'm not talking about a written statute of limitations or anything but a: "If that was so bad then why did you keep working there?" kind of thing.
And don't ever think you've got a legal battle in the bag (regardless of your nationality) it's surprising what can happen.

(I have to note that I am not a lawyer and am not trying to sound like a lawyer even thought it may appear like I am writing as a lawyer. I am simply a person who knows lawyers and people who have been involved with legal proceedings (some of which turned into real charlie foxtrots).)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
The trouble with bringing up past grievances (like the time they didn't let you off for that holiday) is they have an expiration date.

True's true. It's important to strike while the iron is hot. Remember my abovementioned "exhausting Friday?" I filed two grievances about what went on. Not much hope for them, but it's important to start a paper trail...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My garage door opener broke this morning---the part that's connected right to the door broke, the screws pulled out, and the door came down by itself.

I'm happy that (1) my car was already inside, and not halfway in---the door is heavy, and it came down hard, and (2) it happened with me and not one of my relatives who also have access and door openers. (Also (3) that nobody, particularly me, got hurt.)
 


Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
Pearl Harbor Day today. As a history major and someone with a family full of WWII vets (a major contributing factor, I think, towards my choice of major would be fond memories of sitting on my grandfather's knee, listening to war stories. He was a Staff Sgt. in the Army Air Corps and a proud lifelong supporter of the JWV and VFW), just felt like pointing that out.

[This message has been edited by EP Kaplan (edited December 07, 2010).]
 


Posted by DRaney on :
 
EP, I have a daughter in the Marines, stationed in Hawaii. She was one of the 200 (or so) Marines standing 'guard' and marching in the Pearl Harbor memorial services today. As her father, I am honored by that, by her desire to be one of those chosen. It is important to us that young people are moved by such things. It has been forgotten by so many.

[This message has been edited by DRaney (edited December 08, 2010).]
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
DRaney, I so agree. I think apathy is ruining childhood. At church a couple of weeks ago, I was teaching a bunch of eleven year old's about Jesus Christ crucification, and one of them said, "who cares," under her breath. Absolutely broke my heart.

I'm not arguing that religion is for everyone, but who is teaching these children to care more about celebrities in rehab or sparkling vampires, then the soldiers(or religious icons) who gave their lives for them?

Apathetic, ungrateful, uneducated... Yay for the future.

However, there are still others who go to bed at night with a flashlight so they can escape into books, teens who volunteer, or enlist, and little kids who can be still be taught to be better.

Here's hoping that is what spreads, not more apathy.
~Sheena


 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Every generation complains about the previous generation. I also see a lot of apathy in adults, which is harder to combat 'cause it's usually laced with cynicism, and there's no cure for that.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
shimiqua Beyond the fact that she may have been forced to be there or felt forced, did you use it as a teaching moment?

But I think you have a point about the youth. I've seen or heard similar things about the youth of today. I think certain Boomers forgot to teach their offspring some of the things they were taught as children but at the same time this isn't true of every younger person.

There are young men and women who know what Personal sacrifice, dedication and self control mean. While a good many aren't, some are even polite.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
shimiqua Oops forgot two things.

I should have added as you seem to know.

And "sparkling vampires" ???

That's a term I need to remember.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
..."sparkling vampires?"

Well, as for the younger generations not knowing anything about anything...I once got into conversation with some of my younger relations and it came out they had no idea who Paul Revere was. You've heard of him, haven't you?

The Boomers barely know anything themselves. For instance, they remember how painful getting shots for disease immunization was...but they have no memory of what it was like to get the disease...so when it came time for their children to be immunized, substantial numbers of them skipped the whole thing...which is why some of these diseases have made a comeback in recent years.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
You mean that guy who rode the countryside expressing his English phobia?? Just before we fought them blimys in WW II.


Sorry--- just kidding. But it is reported that some High School grads thought we fought the English during the second Great War.

I don't know if they were just not paying attention or if it was because they weren't taught it but I heard of both Paul Revere and WW II so many times I would have absorbed knowledge of both events even if I hadn't paid attention.

But I'm still not sure where Sparklingly Vampires come from
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
I believe "sparkling vampires" refers to Stephanie Meyer's explanation of why vampires can't go out in the sunlight - they sparkle. I know - it's scary on so many different levels!

Edited to add: BTW, "sparkle", as used in this context, means glimmer, not lighting up with tiny sparks of fire. I just realized this might need clarification.

[This message has been edited by philocinemas (edited December 13, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Reminds me of a recent quote that said, more or less, that the staff on David Letterman's show said whenever Letterman entered the room, there was electricity in the air. I mean, really...Letterman? Nahhh...

*****

Well at least you remembered Paul Revere of the famous Midnight Ride and not Paul Revere the mid-1960s rock star...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The real pity is Paul Revere got captured quite early in his midnight ride, he didn't warn very many people. It was the other guy whose name we don't remember (And who Longfellow though had a less poetic name) who really spread the word. The things that we have forgotten could fill a library . . . oh wait.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was gonna post Longfellow's poem here---it is in public domain---but after I pasted it in, I got to thinking, "It's a blatant violation of the First Thirteen policy.

*****

So, instead, here's the beginning:

Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.

He said to his friend, "If the British march
By land or sea from the town to-night,
Hang a lantern aloft in the belfry arch
Of the North Church tower as a signal light,--
One if by land, and two if by sea;
And I on the opposite shore will be,
Ready to ride and spread the alarm
Through every Middlesex village and farm,
For the country folk to be up and to arm."

And the end:

You know the rest. In the books you have read
How the British Regulars fired and fled,---
How the farmers gave them ball for ball,
From behind each fence and farmyard wall,
Chasing the redcoats down the lane,
Then crossing the fields to emerge again
Under the trees at the turn of the road,
And only pausing to fire and load.

So through the night rode Paul Revere;=
And so through the night went his cry of alarm
To every Middlesex village and farm,---
A cry of defiance, and not of fear,
A voice in the darkness, a knock at the door,
And a word that shall echo for evermore!
For, borne on the night-wind of the Past,
Through all our history, to the last,
In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
The people will waken and listen to hear
The hurrying hoof-beats of that steed,
And the midnight message of Paul Revere.

...which is still too long. Damn.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Unexpectedly, I had to run out today and buy a new monitor for my computer...the old one would come on for a second and then turn off. I couldn't work with that...it did prevent me from coming online and coming here this morning, though. Maybe it could be fixed...maybe it wasn't the monitor at all...but my need was relatively urgent and I was going out Christmas shopping anyway.

Now I've gotta work the pecularities of this monitor. It's widescreen...the picture shimmers a little...and I've done nothing more than plug it in and come online. Tomorrow, when I have a little time, I'll see what can be done.
 


Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
Interesting... a glimmering monitor. No, wait... that was shimmering. My bad.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
With some adjustment, my monitor is better...but the shimmer is still there. It's widescreen and hi-def...a lot of my stuff expands to fit the space, but it doesn't seem to distort or expand, say, the Internet comics I spend a lot of time browsing through.

Except for the shimmer, I think it's just a matter of getting used to things.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Could the shimmer be due to the screen refresh rate? If you can figure out how to adjust that, it might help.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Most webcomics tend to be vector based so they can shrink or grow without loss of quality.

You might be losing the light on your monitor, my sister's went out and it was creepy how you could see everything but not really. Like a ghost monitor.

I'm quite depressed today because one of my favorite buildings in the world is on fire.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I guess it's not going to be too long before we can teleport, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2OfQdYrHRs&feature=player_embedded
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The sound's a little muddy, too...I think my other screen had better speakers...
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
quote:
I guess it's not going to be too long before we can teleport, too.

Well, we already have communicators, so the universal translator isn't too much of a stretch. However, I imagine that we are still quite a ways from disassembling objects at an atomic level, sending them along a beam of light, and reassembling them elsewhere according to their original configuration.

Warp drive, on the other hand...
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
About the shimmering monitor. You may have to break down and call tech support.

Every now and then a certain forum I am on used to shimmer when I called up the reply page. That is the letters shimmered. It almost gave me a headache trying to read the sentences I had just typed. I believe they did something to improve the site and it hasn't done it since. But probably that as a completely different problem than yours.


[This message has been edited by LDWriter2 (edited December 19, 2010).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's fairly consistant...appears on whatever I've got up on the screen, whether it be what I'm looking at through AOL or the blue-screen-and-icons. I call it "shimmer," but that's far from a diagnosis...it goes from clear to a wavy horizontal line effect that seem to march down the screen till I try to look closely at it, to a sort of vertical wavy wave across the screen.

One problem with dealing with it is that I haven't had time to deal with it...Christmas, you know, on top of the usual stuff. Yesterday was presents-wrapping day.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
OH By The Way


Merry Christmas to you all.


And if you're one of the few people who do not celebrate some version of it...have a nice day off.
 


Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
Since we all seem to enjoy history, here's another important date:

‎150 years ago today: South Carolina secedes in response to Lincoln's election as president, beginning the collapse that would lead to the US Civil War. Exactly four years later, Savannah, Georgia is evacuated in response to Sherman's March to the Sea. "War is Hell."
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I just did a presentation about Tecumseh in my native american literature class. Sherman was named after him, in that class we also read a lot of Sherman Alexie who was named after Sharman (although he denies it profusely.)

Every year that I've driven to work before Christmas I've had car trouble, the problems have ranged from a simple dead battery, flat tire, falling off alternator, side-swiping a car carrier, but this year took the cake, snapped off my timing belt. In an instant what had been a fine vehicle became an oversized paperweight, now I have to find a new car.

Edited to add: I have to find this car fast, begging for a ride home at 1 o'clock in the morning is putting me in serious favor debt.

[This message has been edited by Pyre Dynasty (edited December 22, 2010).]
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

You have to get another car because the timing belt snapped? What did it do take out the whole pulley assembly?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
What brand is this lemon? And how old? I wouldn't think a broken timimg belt would be a good reason to junk a whole car...
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Possible Pyre's not just talking about a timing belt; if it broke, he may also be talking about engine replacement.

It's possible that it may be more cost effective to get another car as opposed to replacing an engine on this one that's given so many problems to Pyre.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It would be a $2000 repair on a 1995 Astro van with a serious amount of miles on it. And it was starting to give a vibe that everything else was planning on falling off.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

So they would have to replace everything that was about ready to fall off. Never had a car with that problem before even though I have had a couple that were at least 15 years old. But that is serious money. We junked one car that was about that bad in price. Got a couple of hundred dollars for it. Of course we had a replacement already.

That's tough but maybe next time, whenever that is, you can get one with better gas milage. That's what happened to us, went from an almost huge Chevy station wagon to an almost tiny Dodge. It didn't last as long as Dodges were suppose to back then.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Oh, yeah, sometimes you're just better off getting a whole new car---at least, if you can afford one. Any major problem with my car---one hundred ten thousand miles on it---and it's off to the new car lot.

(But then I have the worry of what brand and make and model to buy---they don't make Chevy Cavaliers anymore, and the replacement model wasn't quite right even before GM became Government motors.)

((Of course, I've got other things to spend on. I've got to pay my Christmas bills, pay my local property taxes, and sometime before spring get a new lawnmower...if the rumored new John Deere place opens up closer by than the old John Deere place.))

*****

By the way, I think I cleared up my monitor problem. I realized the video for my computer itself was on a different setting than the monitor, so I changed it to that, then did the "auto reset" thing with the monitor again. Some of the icons on my, er, opening screen still blurred and shimmered at first, but, here online, I haven't had it happen once. More as it develops.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
My car has 255,000 miles on it and is only three years younger than me.

However, I have had old cars that have self-destructed and weren't worth fixing. Helps if you have time for research.

I will say that after my most recent repair, which was just a few days ago, I asked my mechanic what the best cars are today. Mind you, I've known him since I was ten and he's a very honest guy who has kept all of my old cars running. And he said that 'Honda and Toyota were still the best, but the American cars were catching up. But no matter how sweet it looks, he wouldn't touch a Dodge with a ten foot pole.'

Oh and by the way, to those who celebrate, Bingle Jells and Cherry Mistmas!!


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, my first car was a Dodge Dart that had over a hundred thousand miles on it when I got it...I put another, oh, hundred and fifty thousand miles on it, and might be driving it still if the radiator hadn't blown.

Gas mileage is an important factor...but so is the head room and having a pretty good radio / media player. I look forward to having something to connect an iPod to in my next car.

Head room? Well, after an accident that totaled one car, there was a big outward dent in the roof precisely where my head would have made one if it had gone up and hit the roof---but I wasn't injured, didn't black out, and don't remember actually banging my head.

*****

Merry Christmas to anyone who's having a Christmas, and Deck Us All With Boston Charlie...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Very Christmas to all and to all a good fight.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I already posted this in the Christmas gifts thread but I'll put it here too for thread continuity. (As if that was needed for Random Musings.)

I got a fantacular deal on a used Hundai Sonata. I'll have to think about its superhero name.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
How 'bout Hyundai, which is the way it's usually spelled?
 
Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
Naming a car depends on the color and if it makes any distinguishable noises. Not necessarily bad ones. I had a car once that had some kind of springy noise on big bumps. It was kind of neat. Called it my 'Toon' car. Get it? Car-toon!
Aaahhhh... nevermind. Not funny.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
So that's why it was such a good deal. Ah well, goes great with my Rolx.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Naming a car? I figured my car came with its name in place---white 2004 Chevy Cavalier. They don't make 'em like that anymore...in fact, they don't make 'em anymore, the line was discontinued...
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
My car's name is Charlie Nova. He told me so himself shortly after I bought him.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I haven't really named any of my cars. Never really felt the need and/or desire but I can see why people do


especially if the car tells you its name.


But I have thought about having one of my various characters name their car. Of course come to think of it, she is the only one character whose car I describe. In none of the other projects do I even say what type of car or what color it is. Looks like something to work on in the revising process.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You name a car in a story, it becomes a character in the story...
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
True, like in Wayne's World. Who doesn't remember the Mirth Mobile with the easy access red licorice?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There's the Pizza Planet car from "Toy Story," which has appeared in every Pixar movie since...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I give my cars superhero names, I think it helps them perform great feats.

My last one was called the Maroon Maroon, because it did all sorts of funny stuff. (Like randomly run the windshield wipers.)

Still haven't figured out this cars name.
 


Posted by DRaney on :
 
My car would currently be named "Cough ~ Spit ~ rattlerattle" if I let it name its own self...

Honda Accord 278,000 miles! 32 MPG all day long!

[This message has been edited by DRaney (edited December 30, 2010).]
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Robert no wonder you are having problems with cars name

That was a pick-up not a car.



 


Posted by Reziac (Member # 9345) on :
 
I know someone who replaced the big "TOYOTA" logo on his mini-pickup's tailgate with "TONKA".
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Reziac

A few years ago a few people around here did that type of thing. Some blocked out all the letters except for TOY. That was usually done with pick-ups. I can't recall any other words formed but there were a couple.



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There's the story of the dee-jays who had a contest for a free "Toyota" only for the winner to find they meant a "toy Yoda."

Messy lawsuit followed.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Wishing you all better luck for 2011!
 
Posted by Tiergan (Member # 7852) on :
 
"Toy Yoda" I love it.

 
Posted by Reziac (Member # 9345) on :
 
The feller who put "TONKA" on his tailgate took it a bit further, actually ... some trim variations and I forget what else, so at a distance it really did look like a toy truck. He's a toy designer by profession. You've probably heard of his other car mod, as it's rather famous:

http://www.roadsquadron.com/Cars/Hwing/

Yes, he actually drives it around Los Angeles!


 


Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
Wow... that's just... yeah.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

I thought so when I saw those lasers, a X-wing fighter but in this case what a Null wing fighter?

But he doesn't dress right.

But a huge amount of years ago there was a group of Star Trek fans that drove around a major US city in a Metro van disguised as the Enterprise. Complete with a Captain's chair. They wore costumes and had phasers disguised as laser sights.


And even though I don't think it's online anymore, three or more years ago I found a pic of a motorcycle shaped like the Enterprise. The saucer section stuck out above the front tire.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There are a lot of strange things on cars riding around, from custom jobs to bumper stickers to oddball licence plates. Never went for it myself...why tell the world you're crazy?

I used to work with a guy (now deceased, alas), who dressed as a Klingon for Halloween every year...but also always wore a Kirk-and-Spock-period red shirt uniform. Never had the heart to tell him Klingons didn't serve in Starfleet then...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I knew a guy who took his Toyota and painted over the "To" and replaced the second t with a d. In my memory it was green but I'm not sure it really was.

Was he dressed as the big-forehead klingons or the weird eye-brow ones? It could be he was a time traveler trying to fit in? Or perhaps he did the tried and true "knock out the guard and take his clothes" thing.

As for my car I think it may just live up to the title "Flaming Sword" which is a particularly important piece of hardware in a story I wrote in highschool. (And I'm going to rewrite it one day.)

I believe in telling the world I'm crazy right up front. It clears up misunderstandings in advance.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Pyre Dynasty Just have a license frame that says you're a writer.

 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

I've been thinking about where to put this and it hit me here...duh.

One another thread we talked about a back story for the Treehouse. And I added that there is a Bar Spyder Roberson (I think) wrote about but my local Barnes and Noble has all kinds of interesting characters in it. Today I saw Willow, from Buffy. I've seen her before, she works there. She lost some weight maybe grew an inch or three but still basically the same. And at the Starbucks in the store I was waited upon by a Vampire. No fangs, yes he smiled real bit showing me all his teeth, but that is easily taken care of. Good thing its cloudy and rainy here.

In previous visits I've seen Patricia Briggs shapechanger heroine and an elf. Actually could have been a Vulcan.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Every year for the last few I've put up two calendars near my computer. One is of Eagles...not the band not the team...as well as one called Star Trek: Ships Of The Line.
The second one is obviously is of starships, even though they sneak a shuttle in there every so often. And not just the various Enterprises but some that have a secondary character or never used at all.

This has been going on for around five years. The first one has a great shot of Voyager flying through a lightning storm right above an ocean. Besides the fact that there's a reason I have something for Voyager, I have a scene just like it in my first novel. Of course it's not Voyager or any other Star Trek ship but still it's amazing how similar the two scenes are.

There's even a book out with, I think, the first three years of pics and a half page story that goes with each pic. I would have loved to do those half page descriptions.


So now to what I want to say, I wish they would have a calendar like that for SF over all. I would love one with a month with David Weber's Honer Harrington ships. Of course all the ships look pretty much the same in that universe. But there could be one from David Drake's Lt. Leary series, maybe from R.M. Meluch's Merrimack series. I'm sure they could find another nine.


There's the Sub turned starship that is part of a series by John Ringo and another guy, I forget his name and I don't have my books handy. A scene of it breaking the service of the ocean on its way up would look neat, especially with that horn like thing sticking out of its nose. There's a full explanation of what it is in one of the books. But it's full if tiny holes and the way the holes break up the water somehow allows the sub to slip faster through the ocean. Unless all of that is just techno- babble. For me it's hard to tell if all the scientific stuff is real, tecno-babble or as I think both.

[This message has been edited by LDWriter2 (edited January 02, 2011).]
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

Another idea from that calendar. January's pic is of a starship with two circles around the aft end. They are proton excelleraters, using a different method of create a wrap bubble. But my idea is that instead of an Excellerater being built underground build one around a spaceship for power. Hmmm, all kinds of possibilities there.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I just use generic calendars...a monthly printout page for writing down stuff about my writing...a twelve-month printed calendar for figuring out dates in advance...a pocket calendar for writing down punch-in-punch-out times at work. I've gotten some as gifts from time to time, but I generally appreciate them for their artwork or info and don't, specifically, use them.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Let's not forget one of the coolest cars - The Blues Mobile.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Today I almost bought my niece a calender called cuteness overload for her birthday, but webkins were on sale and there was a walrus. Don't tell her. She's really to young for a calender anyway.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It wasn't until, oh, early 2009 that I realized I'd been misspelling "calendar" since childhood...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Actually I've had the same problem with calendar but it was more recently.


I had to look it up this time.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
No matter how many times I look it up, I can never decide whether it's "aggravate" or "aggrivate." It's aggrivating. Or is it "aggravating?"

(This is one of those things where spell checking works in your favor.)
 


Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
I usually just spell that 'exacerbating'.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Pardon me for this some what political statement But this seems to be the place for such.


but I'm amazed at how hyper the Democrats and some media people are getting at the idea of having the Constitution read. Some are totally freaking out, it's well amazing. They even made up a new catch phrase for the occasion. Those using the phrase must not have been paying much attention to those who talk have been talking about the Constitution, at the same time it sounds like some of have forgotten we are a Constitutional Republic.


Now back to our regularly scheduled comments

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Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
I have no idea what was just said, LD. So, yeah, I guess that's grist for the mill if we mean trying to decipher what was said.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

Oops, I was in a hurry. I did that during lunch at work. I thought I would be in and out but it didn't work out that way.

At the beginning I should have added On the House Floor the new Republicans want to read the Constitution. I hope the rest now makes sense.



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's done. Have you read the US Constitution?
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
To me, the reading of the Constitution is nothing more than a political stunt (especially when certain sections weren't read), and anyone who voices an opinion as to the necessity of it being read can be painted as non-patriotic.

Look: A six year-old can read the Constitution, but I'd be more impressed if that same six year-old can actually explain what he just read.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

The GOP leadership may have done it for PR stunt but most of the newly elected representatives more than likely did it to send a message that they really were going to follow it.

But no matter the reason why I see no harm in reading it. And positively no reason to freak out over it. You may have heard about Walmart giving 1,600,000 dollars to seven cities to help fight hunger. We are getting 100,000 of that here. I don't care if it is a new way for Walmart to advertise or not, it is money freely given and it will help many people. The constitution is a document that needs to be read every so often and as I said it did no harm to read it.

As to understanding it. Most of it isn't that hard, it was written to be easily understood and for the areas that aren't, we have the Founder's writings to help us understand it.


And It has been years since I read much of it...I have read certain parts like the Bill of Rights fairly recently. I tried to download it way back but for some reason only got half of it. I didn't discover that for a while. Yes, I need to try again.
 


Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
I'm pretty sure the 16th Amendment was never ratified (the one about taxation) but I could be wrong. Anybody?
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
It was ratified.

But here's a good point by point of the "controversy":

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1115/is-u-s-income-tax-invalid-because-ohio-wasnt-legally-a-state-when-the-16th-amendment-was-ratified
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Lots of amendments have failed of ratification. The Founding Fathers didn't make it easy to amend the Constitution; they didn't want the government subject to passing fads---and potential tyrannies.
 
Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
Great info, rich. Thanks.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I forgot to mention... on my part of this discussion.

Jay Sekalow(Not sure about that spelling but it's close) had a good debate on the reading of the Constitution. I forgot the name of the woman he debated but I have heard her before...she didn't do that good a job this time. She did bring up that they didn't read the whole thing but I was distracted at work so missed what Jay said in response. But other then that her part of it was weak and it sounded like she was stretching for an argument. She mentioned the cost of the reading but I didn't catch any explanation of where she got that figure which Jay said was way too much.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
How much does it cost to give everyone in a company a 15 min. break? For a big company it's a seriously large number to pay for people just sitting around. That doesn't mean it's not worth it.

It's interesting when people say something is in the constitution when it isn't. Certainly some of those things would fit there, and are in the same spirit as some other things written there, and could be written into law without running afoul of it, but it isn't actually there.

 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
quote:
It's interesting when people say something is in the constitution when it isn't.

Like what?
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
"Separation of church and state" isn't in the constitution, but everyone seems to think that it is.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

"Separation of church and state" isn't in the constitution, but everyone seems to think that it is.

O'Donnell, however you spell her name, got into trouble for stating that truth doing a debate. Of course I think part of that was her delivery, she seemed to be trying to be humorous about it when she should have made a strong, definite statement.

I think you can add the right to privacy to that and what the Obama Administration is trying to pull with the Health care law...wanting us all to buy health insurance.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Some things in the Constitution are disregarded...for instance, no person impeached by Congress is supposed to hold an office of public trust, like, say, a Congressman...but a former judge who was impeached is a Congressman right now.

That "separation of church and state" comes from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. He refers to a "wall of separation between church and state" as what the First Amendment means.

It should be noted the Jefferson did not participate in the writing of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, and was not even present at the Constitutional Convention.

Here's a link, http://civilliberty.about.com/od/religiousliberty/a/danburybaptists.htm , though a simple search could probably turn up dozens of sites that post the text of Jefferson's letter.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

That "separation of church and state" comes from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. He refers to a "wall of separation between church and state" as what the First Amendment means.

We know that, but was the wall to protect the church from the state, as some people think, or to protect the state from the church as others think.

I think by many of their speeches during that time--Washington's speech on the first Thanksgiving as one example--that contained so many references to God and even scripture quotes. Not to mention the Congress meeting in a building a church also used. They didn't worry about violating separation of church and state as much as many do today. If they worried about it at all.



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Y'know, we seem to be veering dangerously close to that dreaded "political discussion" here.

Maybe we could talk about the latest attempt to censor Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn---I'd be delighted to, but only if I could use the words in question.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

Robert Kathleen can respond to your question but I say I thought it was only one word, is there another one that is being missed in the discussion of the first word?


And I don't think I would need to use said word to say I don't think it needs to be censored. It's not the only work with objectionable words and even though some have been censored before I'd rather leave it as is. It's one of those slippery slopes.


But it can used as a discussion of that day and of writing. Stephen King says in his book on writing that we should allow our characters to use the terms they would use in real life. There have been times while reading that I wished the writer had censored their characters but usually I have to admit those words fit and in some cases it would be funny and/or off if they didn't say such words.

I have problems with my characters saying something worse than damn so I kinda cheat a little and not allow them to say the whole word. So far none would have said that word up above and I'm not sure if any ever will...it's a word that doesn't come to mind while writing or any other time for that matter. But it is conceivable that someday somewhere somehow a character will want to use it, I will have to decide then how to deal with it but I think Twian's character would have used it back then.
 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Separation of church and state is not in the Constitution, but the intent/spirit is there in the 1st Amendment. The Supreme Court has upheld Jefferson's specific words in many a case.

And O'Donnell wasn't stating a truth so much as not understanding what the phrase meant and how the 1st Amendment related to it. If you watch the video of that debate (held at a law school) you can tell she's floundering, not fully realizing what Coons was telling her.

And I think it's stupid and unnecessary to censor Twain's work.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
That censoring of Twain is stupid and impractical. Every time that certain word is used it does not mean slave, as they are editing it to be. That would be like replacing "gravity" in Ender's Game with "weight." Sure there is some kind of correlation, but they do not mean the same thing. What if we did that to more modern works? Say a book about Selma?

The article I read about this quoted Twain as having said, "The difference between the right word and the almost right word is a big deal." Those of you who know the way that quote actually goes understands how they have castrated that quote. I've used this argument so many times but it's a favorite of mine: When grandma dies do we cut her out of the family pictures? It's a part of history, and if we wrote a story set during that time we would be totally justified in using that word. Any other word would be out of place.

They claim they are doing it for accessibility, because they say there are some people who won't read a book with that word in it. Poppycock in my opinion.

Sometimes the hardest thing to do is protect a person from themselves. No matter how much you scream at them they still decide to walk out on the slick surface.

 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

Separation of church and state is not in the Constitution, but the intent/spirit is there in the 1st Amendment. The Supreme Court has upheld Jefferson's specific words in many a case.
And O'Donnell wasn't stating a truth so much as not understanding what the phrase meant and how the 1st Amendment related to it.

She understood better than liberals want to give her credit for. This whole thing with the letter was started by one specific judge, not that long ago compared to the age of the US, who didn't like religion. We have to live with his finding a hidden meaning in the words but one can see by the way the Founders acted and their speeches they never intended for it to go that far. There is no wall in the Constitution.

 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Okay, yeah, this is edging awfully close to the political.

And on the Twain censorship subject, so far as I know, the word in question is not banned on this forum. This gets back to the general question of censoring our characters, and that is an Open Discussion on Writing topic, right?
 


Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
So, how 'bought those Cowboys?
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Good job on being random, PB&Jenny.


 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 


I would have said Eagles not Cowboys.


That's because I love the birds, get an Eagle calendar every year. Just something about an eagle soaring that is...well something.

Not sure how the team is doing seems to be not so bad so far.


And I have no idea if the band is still together. They did have some good songs but not enough for me to become a fan.

But those bird....

And Kathleen I say close? I think we tripped over the edge already but than again there was no mention of political parties even though I brought up the term liberal. So Okay no more.
Even though there is my blog, I may get around to writing something further on that subject sometime.

Is it okay to say that?
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
That particular word may not be specifically banned here but in this day and age people can lose their job for using such a word, even in environments where the words that are banned here are commonplace.

On birds, the Seahawks beat the Saints tonight, it was the first time a team with a losing record has ever won a playoff game. (Gotta love the wildcard.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I couldn't locate the last time I remember the issue coming up---involving a lengthy post I made about use of the word in question in various censored versions of "Blazing Saddles"---but I was under the impression is was banned...

(I kinda made reference to this matter when we were doing the Movie Quotes thread last year...thought it would've provoked some kind of reaction...)

*****

They tell me the Jets won. I always think of them as the "Anarchists," from an obscure joke from a 1970s sitcom. ("There they are, the anarchists!...you know what anarchy is, don't you?" "Sure. Everybody doing whatever they want. Like the Jets.")
 


Posted by PB&Jenny (Member # 9200) on :
 
Yup, I almost lost a job because I told someone who was upset with me that the only reason they were upset with me was because I was Black. They were not Black. No one in the room was Black.

I was literally dragged into Personnel to explain my actions. It was very strange. I do have some Black ancestry and I have Black in-laws, but I don't have the look. I could almost imagine a guillotine in the room. Very strange how fearful people have become about upsetting other races even if none were involved.

And, just to point out my workplace faux pas, I was telling a friend of mine how my Black cousin talked when he is with friends. He's very funny, btw.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
PB part of that is PCness going to seed. It always reminds me of the old joke about the father and son taking a donkey down hill to sell. By the time they got done listening to everyone they offended they dropped the donkey from a rope bridge high above a river. If you listen to everyone you can lose your a... .


Anyway your story also reminds me of a Dr. Williams. Should remember his first name..heard it enough times...but he's a Economics Prof who has written books on economics-very good reading if you like that type of thing. But now he has written a book about himself. He grew up in projects, was cab driver in major city and joined the army and sent to Korea. he put down he was Caucasian even though no one could mistake that he is black. His CO told him he had to change it but it ended up sticking.

Not so PC back in those days.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Was that Walter Williams, LDWriter2? Interesting guy.

I remember a Guest of Honor speech by Jane Yolen, at a convention I attended, in which she talked about how political correctness can be as much a way of censoring people as book burning.

I also remember when the big switch happened: from hearing people use words like the one in question with impunity in one year, and then hearing people being accused of being "prejudiced" (which then became THE THING NOT TO BE) the next year.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'd say something really raw about somebody I work with, but it'd be potentially libelous and might get back to said person.

Instead, I'll tell a joke.

One day the bus driver had just had it. "There's been too much argument. I'm tired of telling people to move to the back of the bus just because of the color of their skin. From now on, everybody's just green. Got it?"

After some mutterings of general agreement, the bus driver said, "Right. Now if the dark green people will move to the back of the bus..."
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Well, if that isn't a show-stopper, I don't know what is.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Yes, Kathleen it is Walter. For some strange unknown reason I keep forgetting it.
Actually, I did good to remember his last name.

Yes indeed he is interesting.

As his web site, which maybe I shouldn't mention here since it would be close political and I've been doing too much of that lately.


 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Robert
quote:

One day the bus driver had just had it. "There's been too much argument. I'm tired of telling people to move to the back of the bus just because of the color of their skin. From now on, everybody's just green. Got it?"

After some mutterings of general agreement, the bus driver said, "Right. Now if the dark green people will move to the back of the bus..."



There's an old novel where that happens. I mean everyone turning green, and the writer gets a bit into the darker green aspects.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I can't vouch for the novel, but the joke was current when I was growing up...
 
Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
Yeah, I bet that was a hit in the '60s.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Actually that part of the novel was just a small side comment, the story was about why we turned green and how that reason made nature go at super speed.

When I got the book-paperback-, from an used book store or from my dad, it was old. So it might have been written in the 50s. I can't recall the writer but I think he was famous, someone I knew of.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I had bad news this week...my current favorite bookstore is closing Saturday. Books-a-Million, and I've been there nearly every Tuesday for, oh, when did it open again? Some ten years, at least. Through one location change down the road.

Now where will I get my book fix? There's another one, but it's twice as far away...the local Barnes & Noble doesn't have the same stuff...everything else is even farther away...and ordering online just isn't the same thing as browsing.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Well, Robert, at least I bet they're going to have some good sales between now and Saturday.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hey Robert is that just that one store or the whole chain?


I ask because not that long ago it was stated that finally we are suppose to get one of those sometime. But so far no other news on that front, with Borders probably going into bankruptcy it would seem now would be a good time for them to move here. if they are still viable.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Just the one store---I asked. And, far as I know, no sales are planned, they're just moving the merchandise away.

Like I said, there's another Books-a-Million, but it's twice the distance. This one, the one that's closing, is at Page Field Commons on US 41---the other one is on Colonial on the other side of I-75. Certainly that one's within driving range---it's no farther away than where I work---but it's the damned inconvenience of it all. I mean the place was always busy, so why close it at all?

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if, sometime before my next vacation, every Borders closed down...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Did I mention I rescued several books before exiting? A couple of expensive items I looked at every time I went in, but hadn't yet decided to buy...boy, what with Christmas and all, my credit card bill is going to be big this month...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I've had to do that more than once, buy all the things I had been meaning to someday because the store was closing. They took out my favorite Subway right next to where I worked (it was nice for 45 min. lunches) to build a tunnel under a busy road.

Also for some inexplicable reason 7-11 completely pulled out of my city.

Sometimes the players like to move the pieces around, and they don't bother telling the pawns why.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hmm, tax time is coming.


I know this because I saw some cross dressing Statue of Liberty types on street corners.

There's nothing like seeing a Statue of Liberty with a beard to know that April 15 is around the corner.

Of course that hasn't quite popped up yet this year but it will. There was however a whole choir of them yesterday. One was-or at least looked-- female the rest looked...well, lets say they were ugly, flat chested woman.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, of the bookstores I used to frequent in the 1970s when I lived in Poughkeepsie, none of them are open now. I'm used to disappearing stores...it's just damned inconveniencing...

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Yeah, the Statue of Liberty dancers have hit the streets here, too. I know times are tough, but surely there must be better entry-level jobs?
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Sometimes the players like to move the pieces around, and they don't bother telling the pawns why

Like this line. I may have to use it, PD (if that's okay).
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
An update.

I saw a statue of Liberty with a beard today.


It used to be they used both Uncle Sam and S of L outfits both with the right genders but the last couple of years they don't care or maybe they think it will attract more customers if passerbys saw a male S of L.


Cross dressing isn't that big around here. Even though about five years ago a bunch of crossdressers picketed a local talk radio station, all were wearing kinda short miniskirts.

Hmmm, maybe I could do a Urban Fantasy story about a cross dresser-- a Lady Gaga, or Spears or Madonna impersonator maybe. No no no no

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Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
LD that way madness lies.

Snapper, knock yourself out, if it's appropriate add attribution. (Just because I want people to spend an extra brain cycle trying to figure out who this weirdo is.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We've got a lot of people around here waving signs saying "WE BUY GOLD," too.

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Today I take the plunge and make the trip to the "outer" Books-a-Million store. I'll drive by the old one, to see if they really closed (there's been nothing in the papers about it), then, push on to the other one. But I don't know if it'll be my weekly habit anymore...I may switch to Barnes & Noble, or alternate, or take opportunities to visit more distant bookstores...

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Then again, I'll be shopping for other things. My printer is dying! The last week or so, it's been printing extremly blurry pictures on the "maximum dpi" setting I like to printout certain comics on...in "normal" it's smeared some of the print jobs at about a quarter of the way from the left side of the print page...and also stops midway through jobs and says it's jammed when it isn't, or that the cartridge is jammed, or something or other.

I don't know. I might be able to troubleshoot and fix it, but I don't know if I can. I could take it in for repairs, but then I might not have a printer for a few weeks. It wouldn't be that much trouble (or money) to buy a new printer / scanner / fax machine / whatever, maybe even a better one.

Funny, though...last month it was my monitor, this month it's my printer. And I got them both at the same time. Could my tower unit be far behind? (I had better start copying some important files, like my literary work...)
 


Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
I'm convinced that WE BUY GOLD thing is a ploy to take gold out of the public's hands.

"Here, I'll take your real currency (gold), and give you this nice, shiny piece of green paper. Isn't that nice of me?"

BUNK!
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The thing with gold is (1) you can't eat it, and (2) you can't spend it. Makes it less than attractive to me as an investment...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The terrible thing about all this "We buy gold" stuff is that they pay way under what the gold is actually worth, and they even say so in their fine print. (You agree that 1% of the value of this gold is what you are willing to sell it for.)
Gold is worth $1,367.33 an OUNCE today (don't quote me on that it might be different when you read this.) It just makes me sick when I see those commercials with a guy saying "I got 200 bucks for my gold." it means this guy sent them $20,000 worth of gold to them.
(And yes, my data comes from actual third party research.)
 
Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
Exactly!!! :/
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Gold is edible (in very small quantities) but eaten less frequently than silver.

Why I'm here: Someone spammed my blog, which is typical, but addressed me by one of my main character's names, which is creepy. Is the spammer a Hatracker?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A while back in New York, they were selling a gilt-edged-with-gold hamburger, for a hundred dollars. You can eat the gold therein, but, of course, this too shall pass. (Personally, I thought, at that price, the hamburger had better be damned tasty...)

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That's Thing #3 with gold---the price-per-ounce is too damned high.
 


Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
Got a new job!
I'm doing New Media marketing for the New Jersey Devils, the National Hockey League team. A few of you might know that I'm a rabid hockey fan, and, being a lifelong resident of The Garden State, a Devils fan. In fact, one of the things I think helped land me the gig was attaching to my resume a copy of my essay, "Welcome to The Rock", which I had mentioned in the Publications section. It should be a fun experience combining two things I love, writing and hockey, into one gig.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Way to go, EP Kaplan!
 
Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
Thanks, KDW. I'm pretty excited about it. I'll be working my first game (as in, at the arena, interacting with fans) this Sunday.
 
Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
I'm a man and I know this may sound weird, but I've never figured out the fascination men seem to have with sports. I'm weird, so sue me.

But definite congrats EPK on your new job!

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Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Not only hamburgers but cakes also. A while back you could get a pure chocolate cake with a thin sheet of gold slapped on the side. For the price I would have expected them to do more than just slap it on the side. Make a flower out of it or some such.

And my dad used to get gold shots.


and in a way you can spend it. There is always someone willing to collect it, to whom you can sell it to.

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Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
We got the signs here too but there are held by just sign twillers not people cross dressed up.


And EP Kaplan


Niiice and congrats
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Buying and selling gold is not spending it---it's cashing in on your investment. You get either some of those stiff pieces of paper you put in your wallet, or you get something you can, somewhere down the line, cash in for some of those same pieces of paper.
 
Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
I'm a man and I know this may sound weird, but I've never figured out the fascination men seem to have with sports. I'm weird, so sue me.
Nor do I. Hockey is the only sport I follow, and my mother got me into it. She's Quebecois, so hockey is sorta mandatory. Mom grew up playing the sport as a kid, and she and her brother taught me to play, which I still do when I don't mind resting in bed for the next week, too sore to move. I'm a goalie, so I don't get hit (in hockey called "checking") by the other players, and hockey goaltenders wear enough padding to stop a small automobile. Hockey pucks are generally constructed of six ounces of frozen vulcanized rubber, and WILL (not can, will) hurt if you get hit in an unprotected spot. However, I usually find myself diving around, contorting myself into positions the human body has no business being in. I once did a split that left me with a pain in my equator that lasted six days. But, most importantly, I made the save, and gained a newfound appreciation for my favorite player's regular yoga regimen.

Thanks everyone. I'll let you know how it goes.
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They make a few liqueurs with gold flakes in them, mostly for novelty. Not being much of a drinker, I've never tried them.

 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I'm not that much into sports but I understand the physical competition, even if you are just watching it, that makes up sports. Add to that the fact that you can be a couch potato, eat salty crunchy--hot snacks while drinking beer and you get a dream life.


Actually, I would take out the hot snacks and the beer but the rest of it sounds good.


 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
But I said in a way. Maybe I should have added kinda of, sort of. In this case you are buying paper money with it.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's true of any investment, whether gold or silver or other precious metals, or stocks and bonds, or land or a house or equity in them---you can't spend your investment without a portion of cashing in. Of course, you can invest in something that yields an income, like stocks that pay dividends, but it's not quite the same thing.

Did I ever mention how I missed out on getting in on the Great Silver Boom of the late 1970s? I did a report on silver in the early 1970s for school when silver went for, like, four dollars an ounce. Seemed like a good investment, but like most preteens, I had no money. So I missed out when it went up to fifty dollars an ounce (and even now about twenty-five dollars an ounce.) Not the only thing I've missed out on, either...
 


Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
Okay, changing the subject.

How do you all feel about using pen names/pseudo names as a writer? Are they necessary to any extent, or are they just for show?

I'm actually wanting to use the name Bill Quiverlance as a pen name but it might be taken as too ridiculous. I thought if was fun.
 


Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
Sorry, but that sounds like the name of some kind of torrid romance hero.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
How do you all feel about using pen names/pseudo names as a writer?

Poorly. Such are the raging needs of my ego that, if I couldn't publish under my own name, I don't think I'd bother---unless the money were off the scale or something on that order. Publication itself isn't sufficient.

Looking at it from the reader's perspective...the bulk of you post here under made up names. How will I know something is yours if I don't know what name you're putting it under?
 


Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Robert, if you don't know my real name by now, then I doubt you care. To know what Hatrackers' have published, you would need to follow profile links or read the Publications & Reviews forum. Our usernames don't make a difference in this.

Bill Quiverlance...Perfect for gay historical romances. Ever heard of The Macaronis?

By the way, more people are likely to respond to a question about pen names in Open Discussions rather than here.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I missed out on the Y2k gold boom, the sad part is I saw it coming a mile away, (well everyone did, which is probably why it happened in the first place) I just didn't have the money. I guess I've figured out now why those "we buy gold" situations bug me so much, I'm an avid numismatist and the raw gold is right now in a lot of cases worth more than the stamped images on the coins. So we are losing some great coins (thus driving up the price of the survivors) to the refiner's fire. (Plus we lose some gold with each pass, entropy takes it's share.) Imagine if everyone were trading in their Spiderman #3's for pulp!

As to hockey: Me like hockey! My throat is just now recovering from a Hockey game I went to last week. (Then I went to a choir practice the day after, plus I had a sore throat developing already.) The thing is you have to scream at a Hockey game, it's Canadian law, and any pond or arena where Hockey is being played become Canadian soil.

As to sports in general: It's a throwback to the old warrior caste. (It's odd that we still have warriors but they no longer fill that role in society, I believe modern soldiers fill more of a religious caste.) An athlete represents the pinnacle of the abilities of the human body, and it is a thrill to see it. (Some don't care, that doesn't mean they are broken, just have different thrills.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Robert, if you don't know my real name by now, then I doubt you care. To know what Hatrackers' have published, you would need to follow profile links or read the Publications & Reviews forum. Our usernames don't make a difference in this.

Your profile doesn't list a real name or pen name...unless you're publishing under "aspirit," I wouldn't know something was by you if I tripped over it.


*****

Bill Quiverlance and the Macaronis...sounds like a mid-sixties rock group, like Paul Revere and the Raiders...
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
quote:
How do you all feel about using pen names/pseudo names as a writer? Are they necessary to any extent, or are they just for show?

I have wrestled with this myself. My name is, apparently, fairly common. Many people of moderate fame (including scientists, professors, athletes, writers, a well-known photographer, an evironmentalist, and a computer code designer) all have my name (or vice-versa). There is even a fairly well-known science fiction writer from the 30's and 40's that shared my first initial and last name. I never knew my name was that common.

My concern is that if I do ever "break through", whether I will be confused with any of these others. I went ahead and used my real name for my recent HM with WOTF, but I will probably choose a pen name if I start getting published. Besides I kind of like the name, Philo - it has grown on me.

 


Posted by rich (Member # 8140) on :
 
quote:
...I believe modern soldiers fill more of a religious caste.

That's interesting, Pyre. Can you elaborate?
 


Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
Bill Quiverlance is a parody of the esteemed name of William (Bill) Shakespeare (Quiverlance). I doubt I'll ever use it.

quote:
by aspirit -- Bill Quiverlance...Perfect for gay historical romances.

Love it! I told my wife and she can't stop laughing.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ahh. Perhaps this is why I can't find any copies of the Shakespeare classic, as mentioned in "Monty Python's Flying Circus," known as "Gay Boys in Bondage."
 
Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
LOST - YOUTHFUL OUTLOOK

LAST SEEN 1985. IF FOUND PLEASE MAIL BACK TO ADDRESS ON BOTTOM OF SHOE. SMALL REWARD OFFERED.
 


Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
G-d seems to like tempering the good with the bad. I'm at a hotel tonight after a car smashed through my apartment, just hours after someone else took out a phone pole outside the building. Everyone's okay, but there's a massive hole in the brick wall where the driver plowed through my utility closet, tearing out the furnace and hot water heater. A few feet to the left and she'd have taken out an occupied couch.

And this is why you shouldn't speed on a curvy residential road that hasn't yet been plowed.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
What a blessing, EP Kaplan! I'm so glad everyone's okay (I hope that includes the driver of the car?) and terribly sorry for what happened to your apartment. Yikes! Imagine sitting there on that couch and having a car come through the wall right next to you--I just can't.

Let us know how things go for you.
 


Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
Ditto from me too. Wow, scary.

Write all about it, too. You know, for insurance purposes. And a possible story to sell.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ya gotta watch out for that everywhere. It happens here in Florida, and on not-particularly-wet roads, too. Before I bought the house I'm in right now, I looked at---and turned down---this other house, which was directly opposite the entrance to a local park. One reason (not the only one) was that somebody coming out of the park could go completely across the road and straight into the house.

Elsewhere...up north where I used to live, this guy's house was right where one major road came off a long and steep hill and stopped and joined another road. Nearly every winter, somebody plowed into the house. The third or fourth time, he put up this big earthwork berm. After that, they skidded into that, and not the house.

Stay well...and, word of warning: Don't let 'em declare your apartment uninhabitable at least until you get a chance to get your stuff out of it.
 


Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
Yes, everyone, including the driver, is okay. It's just been very hectic, since we had maybe five minutes to get a few emergency sundries out.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Here's another crazy accident:

The pipeline that the SUV is teetering on runs parallel to a busy street which passes over the freeway (and has a high chain-link fence running along it). We had a big snow storm yesterday--Wednesday--but that road would have only been wet, not icy.

The driver has been given a DUI citation.

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited January 27, 2011).]
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
Be careful. That happened to someone I knew, and a few days later someone tried to rob her. Criminals can find out wher you live by news reports and will assume no one is home. My friend's husband happened to be home, and he was an avid gun collector.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Boy we have been having some thick fog lately.


We always have fog this time of year-when we hear the song "White Christmas" we wonder why anyone would write a song about fog-but the last few years it's been relatively thin but in some places not that far away from me, the pea soup fog is back.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It was foggy down here this morning...it often is, this time of year...just some mist creeping in, that's all...no problem driving home...the real-thick can't-see-past-the-end-of-your-nose fog is a pretty rare thing here, though it has happened and I have driven in it...

'Twas down the glen one Easter morn
To a city fair rode I.
When armed line of marching men
In squadrons passed me by.
No pipes did hum, no battle drum
Did sound its loud tattoo
But the Angelus bell o'er the Liffey's swell
Rang out in the foggy dew.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Attribution, please, Robert Nowall?

Even if it's in the public domain, which I sincerely hope it is, it would be nice to give credit where credit is due.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"The Foggy Dew," Father P. O'Neill, date-of-writing unknown but written to commemorate the Easter Uprising (1916). I found it while looking for the lyrics to a folk song and liked it better.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thank you, Robert.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Valentine's Day is coming and I'm having difficulties sending flowers to my wife. First I think the florist I used last time may have gone out of business because the link I saved didn't work but a night later I figured out my mistake. Today I tried calling a few times at work but just got a busy signal. When I checked back to their web site tonight I saw I had the 800 number without the 800 part. I would use their web page order page but I need the address to where my wife works . I don't have it but its a well known building and they were able to get it there last time I used them but I called them then.

So I need to try calling again with the right number.


And I add that that new phone number didn't pan out either. I tried twice and no one answered the phone either time.

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Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It's been a ventworthy day. I don't believe in taking work home with me so hopefully I can just leave it here.

First of all I'm in zombie mode for the first part of my Saturday shift because it starts a 8:45 AM which wouldn't be so bad if I didn't work till 1 AM the night before. Early in the day I had to make a delivery to this one building and I found that someone had decided to move stuff around so the hallway was filled with crap that I had to maze through carrying a box of paper towels and a box of large trash liners. This was difficult to do on zombie mode. Then when we got to one building it was surrounded by firemen and paramedics, turns out the computer repairman had been moving furniture and started having pain in his arm. The guy was at risk for a heart attack/stroke so it was taken quite serious. We're pretty sure he just tore a muscle, which still sucks for him. Of course we then had to put all the furniture back. Later we went to the ice-cream shop to take a break and the freezer was broken, (although I guess this counts as the ice-cream people's bad day, since I got some free runny ice cream.) Then we had to go clock-in the part timers and get them going, which went smoothly except we have this new guy who has the nasty habit of talking about the things around him as if he's casing the joint for a robbery. It's just stressful handing that guy a master key. Next I had to hit a stain that was right in the big boss's through way, but of course I realized that one of our machines had been leaking in the closet and I had to deal with an emergency mildew outbreak. Then as I went to talk to my part-timers about what we were going to do about their leaking machine, I discovered that they were a little late coming back from their 15 min. break, 30 minutes of searching for them later I found them laying around back where they should have been working. So then of course I had to impress on them that that was a bad idea, then I had to go hit that important spot and let one of my more leisurely duties fall to the wayside. When it was finally time to lock up the building there was an unusually high number of people to kick out. While I was doing that I noticed a broken stair, just one more thing I need to call in. And to top it all off I left my reading book at work so poor Harry Dresden is stuck in the middle of a fight with a pack of lycanthropes for the weekend.

But I just saw an interesting Benny Hill clip where he was watching a man and woman playing tennis, well he was watching the woman anyways, and there was this Irish Wolfhound in the frame. We get a close up of Benny's face as he is clearly having thoughts, then we get the wavy screen and we can see what he's thinking about, which turns out to be him imagining himself in the woman's place beating the man handily at tennis. Then we get shot out of his mind and we see that the Irish Wolfhound has peed on his leg, and the fantasy turns into the man beating Benny at tennis.

Benny Hill tends to put things in perspective.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Long as we're talking about bad days, well, my whole week was bad.

Monday morning I came home from work with a sore throat...by Monday night it was the sniffles, and Tuesday I was so out of it I was flat on my back the whole day---gave me too much of a headache to even have the TV on. Bad cold. Lingered something awful...Wednesday night I called in sick, and Thursday night I was all set to go, as far as getting my work shoes on, when I started throwing up.

Been going in, these last two nights, though I don't feel that well even now. Writing's been right out the window. At least it doesn't seem to have moved down into my lungs, so I won't be congested and coughing for months.

(I'd think it was the flu, but with only a mild fever and the symptoms---also, my mother insists nobody in our family ever catches the flu. I'm dubious but can't say I ever have had a case of the flu...)

*****

quote:
...I discovered that they were a little late coming back from their 15 min. break, 30 minutes of searching for them later I found them laying around back where they should have been working.

Ah, memories...I used to work with a guy who'd stretch a fifteen minute break into almost an hour, and over an hour for a half-hour lunch break. (Rule-of-thumb: five minutes going, fifteen minutes there, and five minutes getting back.) And these usually at critical times, like switching from one pass to another, or dispatch pulldowns---and, often, too, just when I wanted to go on break. We got rid of him, eventually.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

And to top it all off I left my reading book at work so poor Harry Dresden is stuck in the middle of a fight with a pack of lycanthropes for the weekend.

You know how it came out but was that the fight in the garage?

I have done that with my writing. I had to leave my hero in a fight for a week before I could write how he got out of it. Imagine sitting in the cockpit of starfighter for a week while you waited to see if you were about to be blasted or if your missiles hit the other guy. Or being a wizard out for a morning jog and because of your pride falling into a trap set by an inner city gang you should have seen from a mile away and then having to wait a week before you can figure how to get out of it.

That reminds me of a story I saw on TV many years ago. It was part of a TV anthology series that lasted one year. Anyway this story had a man and woman who didn't know where they came from or were going. But even though there was a car the guy had memories of being on horseback with a sixgun on his hip. Every now and then you and they could hear a loud rhythmic tapping above them. I think you can guess what that turned out to be.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
No it's the one where they were chasing him in a truck so he jumped out of a moving car to save the womenfolk in the car.

I once had a character have to wait a month while I figured out how he could possibly survive the fight he was in, it turned out the answer was he couldn't. So the delay kept him alive a little while longer. (He was still mad at me about it.)
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Okay, so all I will say is that he has another fight with some wolfies as you probably expect.


But have you realized that Butcher used about every type of werewolf that there is in that book? Talk about getting it from all sides.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Yep I did notice, I figured it would turn that way when he listed the types.

Oh and thanks for the spoiler.
 


Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
Reading through the last page of this enormously long thread. One post digressed my own mind on random musings.

Dumb questions:
why do people write "G-d" with a hyphen for an "o"? Is it out of revernence?

Also, why in books (particularly older literature) is a person's name something like: M________ Boulanger. What do the underscores mean after the first initial?
 


Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
Jewish law holds that one shouldn't write the highest Hebrew names of our deity in a place where it could be desecrated or erased. Traditionally, many Jews don't write it out in English (or other languages) as a sign of respect. Many of the highest names are also only spoken in certain contexts. For instance, we use certain names only in prayer or when reading aloud from the Torah during services, and even if quoting a passage containing that name in a conversation, we'd replace it with a placeholder.

Also, I found a new apartment today. The CO inspection is Wednesday, and if all goes well I should have the keys on Thursday.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

Oh and thanks for the spoiler.

You're quite welcome.

Well, I did try to make it as small as possible. You should have been expecting another fight with them anyway. And I left out something important about that scene....the Butler did it.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I do the G-D thing for two reasons, that includes a few other words I would spell out that way....Either I'm not sure what is allowed on a certain board or I don't want to actually say the word even though it seems to fit better than another word, as on the US thread or I am quoting someone.
 
Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
LDW, I think that's a different word.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I usually take g-hyphen-d to mean that the name of a deity is being taken in vain, and not the name of the deity itself.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The M_______ thing has to do with the letter writing conventions of the time. The mail wasn't quite secure so they had to be a little bit secretive. Both parties know full well who M_____ is, but a third party might not.
 
Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
Thanks PD. I must have spent an hour or so on google a year ago trying to figure that out. Perhaps if I write a steampunk short story missive-style I could incorporate that. I may try that- kudos for the writing prompt.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

quote:

LDW, I think that's a different word.

A different word than God?


And I should add that sometimes I don't like to use the word as part of the reverence thing and to not take His name in vain. Of course God isn't His name but in our society it's close enough.
 


Posted by philocinemas (Member # 8108) on :
 
quote:
I do the G-D thing for two reasons, that includes a few other words I would spell out that way....

I believe there is a big difference between "G-D" and "G-d".
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I'll be the one to spell it out...I think they're referring to the fact that "G-d" would be God, and "G-D" is more likely to be interpreted as saying the letters "G" and "D," which is a common replacement for "G-dd*mn" (edited out of respect for those in the conversation who might find the real word offensive).

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Posted by axeminister (Member # 8991) on :
 
What do zombies eat for dinner?


Hungary man.


 


Posted by EP Kaplan (Member # 5688) on :
 
Started moving my stuff into the new apartment. Tomorrow should be my first night (and first Shabbat) in the new place.

I can only attest to the Jewish habit of replacing the 'o' in God with a dash, which is tradition, not Halakha (Jewish law), something several rabbis at prominent yeshivas have demonstrated by writing GOD on a blackboard, then erasing it. It is an act of respect, but not considered necessary.

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Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

I believe there is a big difference between "G-D" and "G-d".

Ohh, that's what you meant. Took me kinda long to get it.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

Getting back to the crossing dressing Stature of Liberty. I saw a red one on the home the other day. They are usually light blue but this one was solid red. Only seen it once.


And a day or two before that I saw one in my local paper. I forget where but it was actually a pic of one of the snowed in regions of the country but there right beside a snow drift was a guy dressed as the Miss Liberty...light blue.


Hope he was wearing thermals under that.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
That's funny I was going bring that up, last night I went to a sketch comedy show that had a battle dance between a Little Ceasers sign holder and a guy dressed as Lady Liberty to the tune of "Beat It". It was great. (The group is called Divine Comedy.)

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Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Not that matters that much but I think I figured out why that tax preparer business has switched to just the Statue of Liberty. Look closely at their logo. Now though I wonder why they included Uncle Sam at the beginning.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Uncle Sam Wants Yours...be it your money, or a urine specimen...
 
Posted by DRaney on :
 
Here is random for ya;

you could fit every living human on the PLANET inside the state of Rhode Island and give them 3 square feet each and still have 14 billion square feet uninhabited...

(if the conversion table I used worked correctly... not to mention the math I did on fingers and toes.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Of course if you cram that many people into a spce the size of Rhode Island they'd probably be down to the population of Rhode Island in short order...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Why aren't you letting us into that 14 billion extra square feet? I smell a government cover-up. Or I wish I could over the stench of all these people around me.
 
Posted by DRaney on :
 
Area 51... they Had to put it somewhere...

BTW - Houston, Texas is roughly 16 billion 750 million square feet...

I know this has nothing to do with 'hamster feet', but....

[This message has been edited by DRaney (edited February 17, 2011).]
 


Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
I once brought my ex-wife a white Christmas tree but she told me to get the flock out of her house.
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I teach high school.

The other day, out of the corner of my ear (I know it doesn't make sense, but I don't know what else to call the auditory equivalent to "out of the corner of my eye") I heard a kid say, "I seen a guy snort a worm."

Incorrect grammar aside, that is a fantastic sentence.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
When I flunked college physics I had to get the flunk out of there.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Now that you mention it Hamster feet are rather square.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

About the Stature of Liberty guys.

When they first opened they used both Uncle Sam and the Stature. It made sense and I thought a nice departure from just the signs. I think they did it for two or three years. And I noticed that each year, the closer it got to April 15th, the more guys wore the liberty outfit. But last year or the year before they dropped the Uncle Sam outfits and as I said taking a closer look at their logo I can see why they use the Liberty outfits. But still curious about them dropping the other or why they used it all if they were going to drop it.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Which would win: Whabam! or Shazam!
 
Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
Shabam!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It depends. Who are they?
 
Posted by Ethereon (Member # 9133) on :
 
"Make my funk the P-funk. I want to get funked-up"
-Parliament Funkadelic

 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Katy Perry's Firework is such a good song, when i listen to it, I forget how annoying she is.


 


Posted by Grayson Morris (Member # 9285) on :
 
Ethereon: If anybody gets funked up, it's gone be you. :-)
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Just watched Katy Perry's "Firework" video on a whim after reading shimiqua's post. Personally not my kind of music, but does anyone else think it's a bit...odd...that she starts shooting fireworks out of her breasts? Or does this post just make me a pervert?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Or does this post just make me a pervert?

Just this post?
 


Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
I didn't know the song until I went to youtube and I realized I had heard the first 5 seconds of it about 30 times before

Not sure where the fireworks are coming from, but the first 30 seconds was all I watched. I've officially crossed the threshold into the AM dial -- talk radio and audio books for me.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

Ethereon: If anybody gets funked up, it's gone be you. :-)

That includes if they listen to Grand Funk?



 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
That video was easier to find than I afeared it would be. I thought it wasn't bad and the message wasn't bad either except for a couple of scenes.

wetwilly, I can see why you think that but I think it was from between her breasts.


And if I understand the message right I may have a new title for my "New Mage On The Block" novel. After all my "Bright Lights and Chaos" is named after a video...one I haven't seen.


[This message has been edited by LDWriter2 (edited February 27, 2011).]
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

Not sure where the fireworks are coming from, but the first 30 seconds was all I watched. I've officially crossed the threshold into the AM dial -- talk radio and audio books for me.

That one song was enough to drive over the edge?...even though I listen to AM at work.


I am blessed in that there are two FM stations I love here abouts. However neither comes in on our clock radio so I have to wake up to Country.


But both are on the internet.

http://www.spirit889.com

http://www.klove.com


BTW they're both short enough I decided I didn't want to take the time to rename them.
 


Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
The song didn't put me over the edge. I miscommunicated. I switched to the AM dial some time ago. And by the way, I never thought I would be one of those people who only likes older music.

Nothing wrong with the song. It's one of those "it's not you, it's me" things.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The last FM Oldies station in my area (Ft. Myers Florida) started calling itself "The River" a few weeks ago---I concede that a lot of those songs are "oldies," older now than the "oldies" I listened to when those songs were new and on the charts---but the bulk of them are still things I didn't want to listen to then, don't want to listen to now, and never want to listen to again.

Right now there's an AM oldies station out of Port Charlotte and an FM oldies station out of Sarasota---but it's real obvious that, most of the time, they play the same playlist at the same time. Also, the AM station is a "sundowner," fades as night starts to hit---and the FM station is too far away for a clear signal.

(Ah, well. At night I can skip all that and listen to WSM out of Nashville, or even WCBS out of New York---that is, when Radio Havana doesn't drown them out.)
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

The last FM Oldies station in my area (Ft. Myers Florida) started calling itself "The River" a few weeks ago


That seems to be the in thing with music stations these days...adding a one word name. Used to be only a couple that did it now its seems to be most.

One around here calls itself The Blaze, that is semi-new. A Kiss Country is old but a new country station is calling itself the Wolf. Even one of those stations I listed has started calling itself spirit88.9 instead of the call letters they used to use as a name. Actually, they are using both on the air since legally they are still known as KDUV.

There are a couple other newer names also.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It was a sad day for me when I heard one of my "fresh new songs" on my father's oldies station.

I want to start a station called good stuff, where we just play music without caring what decade it happened to have been recorded in, or what genre it's in.
 


Posted by Grayson Morris (Member # 9285) on :
 
LDW2 - Grand Funk Railroad? Mmm, I don't know. I just know I married a George Clinton junkie, and Ethereon's post was good for a morning of mental music (aka earworm).
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, about the only place I listen to the radio is in my car---but I spend over an hour a day just coming and going, so that's a sizeable amount of time.

Let me run through my pre-set buttons...I've got twelve FM and six AM...FM 1.1 the (former) oldies station, 1.2 the Sarasota oldies station, 1.3 something that calls itself Bob FM which plays a fair variety of songs from the 1970s on, 1.4 through 1.6, three country stations...FM 2.1 through 2.3 I guess you could call them "heavy oldies," covering mostly the heavier stuff from the 1970s on (similar to Bob FM but not quite as wide a playlist), 2.4 an FM station which simulcasts an AM talk radio station (this used to be an oldies station but changed rather abruptly), 2.5 the local public radio station (used to play classical music but switched to (mostly) NPR), 2.6 a station that used to be "music of your life" (old stuff that's not rock), but of late has been playing more recent mellow stuff...AM 1.1 the aforementioned talk radio station, 1.2 WSM Nashville, only during the night and often drowned out by Radio Havana and / or static, 1.3 WCBS New York (same reception problems as 1.2), 1.4 a news-on-the-minutes station, 1.5 the Port Charlotte oldies station, and 1.6 unset, tuned to the upper end of the AM dial.

If it wasn't for my iPod, I might not hear any music I actually want to listen to---but I can't plug my iPod into my car stereo.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Robert, if your car stereo plays audio cassette tapes, you can get a cassette-shaped adapter that should be able to plug into your iPod head-set plug.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Tried it, with two different kinds...it keeps ejecting. Nor did using an FM repeater (also two different kinds)...the signal comes in too faint to hear very well---I think the antenna is too far away from the transmitter to do much good.

(I use an FM repeater around the house, like, say, listening to my iPod through my shower radio.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Addendum on radio stations that change their names...there's a thing on some radios called "RDS" (Radio Data System, I think), that displays station identification and, more recently, song-and-artist and also commercial messages. Usually you find this on the more sophisticated recent car radios...I've got a couple of portable Grundig radios that display it, too, but it's harder to find a portable unit with it (or at least it was the last time I looked).
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
And we have a station named Jack. They follow with the dial number which I forget at the moment. It has been named Jack for a few years.


There was one called Crazy but it's call letters were Krzy so that fit. Actually it might have been the one called something hare. It might have been the Crazy Hare. It's logo was a rabbit playing an electric gaiter. They had a ten foot tall ballon they would blow up for each remote.



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
In my travels, I've found there are a lot of country stations out there that call themselves "Cat Country" or "Kitty Country"---why, I'm not certain. (It's not having call letters beginning with "K for Kat"---most of my travels have been east of the Mississippi, where most stations begin with "W"...)

The aforementioned "The River" former Oldies station still has, far as I know, the call letters WOLZ...
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Get satellite radio. The music is commericial free. They have tons of sports games on all the time. They have an extensive entertainment and talk format. And you won't lose the signal if you drive long distances.

You'll be guaranteed to have a handful of stations you'll gravitate too.
 


Posted by Utahute72 (Member # 9057) on :
 
Snapper, I love mine. Started using in on the long drives out to the West Desert when I worked for the Government and no other radio was available. Also I love Radio Margarittaville.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Get satellite radio. The music is commericial free.

Ah, but you get what you pay for.

I'm looking forward to my next car, which, I hope, will have plug-in connections for an iPod. I like a certain amount of control over what I'm listening to...I'm up to about forty-seven-hundred songs on my iPod and have just acquired some "Hard to Find 45s" CDs that I'll be downloading shortly.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I felt the need to clarify...it's not, essentially, forty-seven hundred "songs," I guess you'd say it's forty-seven hundred "tracks." There's some duplication, in particular among the Beatles tracks I've put on my iTunes / iPod.

In some cases I've got the same Beatles songs from up to five different CD releases---they're all different mixes in some way. I might delete some later but for right now they're all there, except oddities like "Revolution #9," which I didn't bother with, and "The Huge Medley" from Abbey Road, which I made a track of from the vinyl record because I couldn't figure out how to keep it all one track...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Wow, I had this incredibly smart thing to write, I've been holding it in my head all day so I could put somewhere I knew it would be appreciated. And then it fell right out of my brain. Alas.

So, anyone have any good ideas on how to teach the Tempest? I'm building a unit plan for it and I have one whole day that's empty.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Pyre Dynasty

I have had the same problem. Sometimes i can sit and thing and think and it comes back to me out of whatever black hole it fell into, but other times it's lost for ever just as if it never existed.


As to teaching the Tempest, That depends on what you want to teach it.

Sorry, I couldn't help it..it was just too obvious.

Seriously I have no idea. But it seems like you could concentrate on the writer, the characters, or the plot, what makes it unique, why is it loved. Or different areas of the plot. Or try for all five. But I assume you know that already. Maybe try for some direction that not everyone uses.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Maybe if you used earplugs...
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I bet the worst part about the Apocalypse will be Ace of Base telling us how they saw the sign.
 
Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
quote:
Actually, for some reason, I can't get to the last (55th) page of Random Musings. Tried from the forum page, tried from Page 54, tried from Page One. Did we finally "fill it till it won't fill no more?"

- Robert Nowall

So we can all get to this page but Robert can't? Nice!

So what does everyone really think about Robert?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well it worked this morning. Probably a problem at my end. My computer is slowing down and it may be approaching the time to abandon it and get a new one.

It was just this one page, though...
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Glad to hear that it's working, Robert.

 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Here's something pretty random (I'm not even sure I haven't already posted this somewhere--so how's that for random?):

When I walk along a busy road, I can almost imagine that I'm walking along a beach--except that the smell isn't right, and I can't hear the sea birds.

What reminds me of the beach is the sound of the tires as the cars go past--not the engines--the tires. There's just enough of a sound on the road, and just enough of a doppler effect from the tires, that it sounds almost like surf.

The road I'm thinking of isn't so busy that there are constantly cars, and that adds to the effect, because the cars going past are just intermittent enough to sound surflike as well.

Not anywhere near as wonderful as really walking along a beach, listening to the surf, but it will do in a pinch.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The deep bass rumbling and rattling of the trucks, and the wild revving of motorcycle engines, usually spoils the illusion for me. And it's only being at the side...driving on a road ruins everything.
 
Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
My apartment in college, now several years ago, overlooked the freeway. At night I could hear the white noise of the traffic.

Had I read this thread back then, I could have went to sleep each night believing I was on luxurious ocean-front property.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
That "technical problem" with Page 55 cropped up again. I could open this one, open the one before, but the other one just waits, and waits, and waits...
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 
The house I grew up in was less than a mile from the Capitol Beltway. Because there were no sound barrier walls in place back then, we could hear the constant humm of truck tires through our open bedroom windows all night long. I don't think I ever imagined it to be surf, but I sometimes enjoyed it being in the background while drifted off to sleep.

Of course, I lived even closer to the train tracks.

S!
S!

 


Posted by Ethereon (Member # 9133) on :
 
The melt is on! Three days of above zero weather have yielded soupy sidwalks, air that smells alive with moisture and yes, I did see it today... a patch of grass creeping out from under the snow banks!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
My wife and I go to a certain Beach every year, with a group from our church. Highway 1 goes along within walking distance from the hotel, the beach is also within walking distance...in the opposite direction...from the hotel so we get both types of noises, surf and road, to lull us to sleep. They do, at times, sound familiar to each other but not enough to get confused.



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Sorry to hijack the soothing-road thing...I just want to put a query up. Feel free to continue.

*****

Anybody having trouble with the iTunes Store lately? I've been trying to get onto the iTunes Store since last Saturday, but I keep getting a message that it's unavailable at this time. I haven't used it in awhile, since last September, actually, but I can't recall this problem coming up before. And, of course, what I don't know about these things and how they work could fill a manual.

I'd just like to know if anyone else can't get to the iTunes store...that way, at least, I'd know the problem was somewhere at or near my end of it...
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
When I've had problems with the i-tunes store, it usually means that I haven't downloaded the latest update - or gone too many without updating. So make sure your software is up to date.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I was there looking around a week or so ago but I didn't buy anything.

It did seem to be a bit slower than normal but that could have been because of the number of people on it. Or other reasons.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Okay...I was pretty sure the problem was on my end. I'll try updating things; it usually prompts me to update and I usually put it off.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The update seemed to work. I got to the iTunes Store---didn't buy anything, but I got there. So far, it has'nt given me any trouble. I'll update my iPod---I've got almost a thousand new songs, er, files waiting to go---and I'll see how things go from there.

Should'a said last time what I'll say now. Thanks.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I grew up rather near I-15, and I never heard it until I tried to film a movie in my backyard. When we went to play the tape the microphone hadn't picked up any of our words. At first we thought it was the wind, except there was no wind that day.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Oyitch!
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
You're welcome, Robert. Happy to help anyone with iTunes issues, if I can.

Honestly, I hate iTunes and wouldn't touch it if it weren't out of necessity. My boyfriend is legally blind, and they're the only ones that make their Mp3 players talk. (Yes, you can set the nano to speak its menus.) So we're stuck with them. If Zune or Creative would add the talky bit we would jump ship in a heartbeat.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Hey Etherton. I'm up in Thompson. It's still cold here. I'll wave to you when I drive pass Winnepeg on my way to the states.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Kreegah! Bundolo!
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
quote:
Oyitch!

Well then scratch it and spare us the narration.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ni!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Unga bunga bunga inga binga binga bung-a!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

Was someone singing there?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Bugs Bunny to "Nature Boy," Bushy Hare. You guys haven't seen it?
 
Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
Just heard the latest adventures in scifi podcast. Hatrack's Dark Warrior (Donavan Darius - I'm assuming there's only one) is mentioned in it with a comment that his name sounds like a great scifi name. So true. Love it!
 
Posted by Ethereon (Member # 9133) on :
 
You were in Thompson snapper? Wow, your job sure takes you everywhere!
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Is it wrong that I enjoy having a fever because of the freaky dreams it produces?
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Just finished my taxes! Yeah Turbo Tax! Less than an hour for both and like $31. Money well spent - it was so easy. No this isn't a commercial, just relief. I'm not usually a last minute person on taxes. This year just got away from me.
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
You know genevieve, this tax filing thingy and all the dust kicks up every year (people being late and whatnot) makes some us Europeans kinda queasy... well, me at least XD

In Bosnia there's no tax return.

[This message has been edited by Foste (edited April 16, 2011).]

[This message has been edited by Foste (edited April 16, 2011).]
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Finished mine long ago...already got and cashed my return. (Used to enjoy getting one until I realized they were just handing me my own money back...and not much of that.)

I save my procrastination for my writing.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

I save my procrastination for my writing.

Chuckle...but than again I get it.


But we are usually last minute. My wife does our taxes. She knows more than I do since she is data transcriber for them. But this year we went on an emotional roller-coaster ride. First we owed 2,000 plus to the US government than it came down to hundred and so next we owed 6,000 to the state. I know they secretly raised our taxes, and they need money to keep from going bankrupt or whatever a state goes, but that is ridiculess, we didn't make that much more money in '10. Turned out it was the wrong tax book. We get back four hundred and some.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Move to Florida. Come for the climate...stay for the lack of state taxes.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Since it's almost the end of tax time one more comment about the cross dressing Statue of Liberties.... actually two comments.


A few weeks ago I saw one guy who must have refused the dress. He wore the Uncle Sam pants but he may have lasted only a day.


And I noticed that, even when its a girl in the outfit, most of them having been wearing the crown upside down. The other day I saw one girl with it right. I thought about stopping and saying, " hey, you got it right."



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Friday last (April 15th, the "traditional" tax day---this year 'cause of the weekend it's today, April 18th), the "Statue of Liberty" tax place I go by had two of 'em out there dancing around. Both guys with beards---at a quick glance, which is all I get, they looked like identical twins.

Speaking of the Statue of Liberty, did you see the current Statue of Liberty stamp from the USPS? The picture's not of the famous one, in New York...it's a picture of the replica one, in Vegas.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The other day I saw one in gorilla outfit, and I thought, gorillas aren't even native to America! Then I thought, hey, I have a gorilla outfit. I was somewhat close to putting it on and running out with a sign that said, "Pay your taxes with bananas." Then I though, wow, how long has that light been green.
 
Posted by redux (Member # 9277) on :
 
It's currently snowing where I live. I thought it was supposed to be spring.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Where I live, snow is part of spring, it just doesn't stick around very long (the way snow does in winter).
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's Friday, April 22nd, and the Statue of Liberty guys have now deserted their posts...however, I did pass someone waving a "We Buy Gold" sign around...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
People were talking about that fireworks song a while back, well BYU's comedy troupe has done a Harry Potter parody of it that I just love.

http://youtu.be/ySN8Q4U6wys

And if you look closely there is a part with a Liger in it.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
not......enough...................sleep
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
What it would be like if the Earth had rings like Saturns.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It kinda does, already. The debris field from space launches is getting quite dangerous for space travelers...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Somebody at work keeps snatching Sharpie pens I bring in---I bring in a package and open it to get one out, then, suddenly, they're all gone, package and all.

The last time I had to deal with this was in grade school---so I'm doing what I did then: getting some personalized Sharpie pens made up with "Personal Property: Robert Nowall" written on them. We'll see in whose hands they turn up next.

(They're a bunch of petty thieves 'round there---they put a lock on the first-aid kit because people helped themselves to supplies, and more recently, put a lock on the supervisor office door because they complained about someone stealing their prescription drugs. Meanwhile, we the workers can't lay our hands on the supplies we actually need to do our jobs---like Sharpie pens.)
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
And I hate the people the eat other people's lunches from the work refrigerators. That has happened to me so many times. It always seems to be when I am the most hungry and have no money to get something else.

[This message has been edited by EVOC (edited April 28, 2011).]
 


Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
Has anyone ever had someone stare off into space while you're trying to tell them something important. God I hate that!
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
Evoc,

Have you ever caught the perpetrator red-handed? I had a case when the food-thief vehemently denied it though it was pretty obvious that he was sifting through other people's grub.

The nerve.


 


Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
Cool link, snapper.

Okay -- stealing lunches? That actually happens?

We have community refrigerators at work and it would be easy to do, but I am not aware of any incidents like that. I guess it depends on where you work.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I can't say my lunch has ever been gotten into, but I know it's happened with the brownbagging set. (I bring a giant lunchbox / cooler.)

There's a simple cure...stock your lunches with tuna sandwiches...heavy with the mayonnaise...left out for several nights...under a heat lamp...
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I knew a guy that would eat other peoples lunches. Oddly, mostly because of his likable nature, we found it cute. Kind of like watching wildlife rummaging through a friends lunchbox.

He apparently always had that issue. When he worked at a factory one guy baked brownies with exlax to teach him a lesson.

That would be one way for you to discover who the perpetrator is EVOC. Another way is to put a slice of very hot pepper in a sandwich, just cover in peanut butter so the scent doesn't tip them off or the flavor doesn't seep into the sandwich. You'll want the person to absorb the entire effect.

Of course, I would recommend a note on the fridge or your lunch asking them to stop first.

[This message has been edited by snapper (edited May 01, 2011).]
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
snapper, EVOC and others.

I have heard of other people using that method, it seems to be the acceptable method now. But I read of one guy who did that with brownies, later he happened to see his boss bunching on the brownies.

I would try the note first and see if anyone else would want to sign it. If the note is ignored then go to the next step.
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
So I was going to write a Fictional Work where the US found and killed Osama Bin Laden.

I supposed I will have to make it Non-Fiction now.


 


Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
Brown Chicken Brown Cow! (It's a song)
 
Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
You could always put a laxative in your food and see who runs to the bathroom first
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Always a problem with current-events SF---dates too fast. Remember all those stories about the first moon landing?
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Gotta share this bit on why Teacher's Drink
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Now that's funny!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
This seems a good enough place to say---I'll be leaving on my vacation tomorrow morning, Saturday. As usual, I "get away from it all," and "it all" includes my computer and going online. I won't be back till Monday after next, so if anybody wants to say something raw about me, now's the time.

I will probably have time to duck in some time early tomorrow morning, so you might want to hold off till then.

*****

(Well, more raw than the usual...)
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 


My wife had some of her solar powered light stakes..five or six of them... stolen from our front yard a few days ago. Only the stakes even though she has other things out there.

She wants to get a security camera set up and now seriously wants to rent a huge, mean guard dog for a month and I guess chain it out front but hidden. Well, maybe not chain it.


But how she will get the dog to hide, I don't know.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Speaking of sign twirlers , I too have seen the cash for gold signs. One day there were four out in a different area. Two, or three, on one major intersection and two more on a not so busy intersection near where I live. They just showed up that one day.

And on what might be the busiest in town there are signs for two different places that pay cash for gold. One signholder though is interesting. He plays an electric guitar, complete with battery pack on his belt and an speaker. He's always on the other side of the street so I can never hear him play though.

Ever now and then on the same corner there's somebody in a costume, I can never figure out what it is suppose to by. Maybe a pack of cigarettes for a discount cig place down the street but I'm not sure of even that.


But the other day I spotted someone new on another street. This guy was a new take on the old stereotype of the guy in the robe holding a sign that said the world will end-sometimes on a certain date. This guy was on a bike and the sign was hooked onto him. I saw it only for half a second so I could be wrong but it looked like it said the world would end by some date I couldn't make out. He set up the sign all wrong though. It faced the front and acted like a sail catching the wind and causing him all type of problems. He should have had it side ways so the edge would cut into the wind.
 


Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
I always get a kick out of the guys that advertise for liberty tax or where ever. One guy was really playing a mean air guitar! lol
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Sure could use one of those dancing sign guys at Books and Hooks.
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Can you really rent a dog?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I think you can rent a guard dog. Or maybe lease one.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
quote:

I think you can rent a guard dog. Or maybe lease one.

LD, I think you misspelled leash.

 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hmmm, I may need a leash so as not to release the leased dog- so no one can seize our stuff- even if my wife says please enough to wheeze and thinks I'm a tease and makes me quiche.


 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Someone should definitely open a pet rental business. Then, when your wife absolutely HAS to have a pet kitten, you can just rent one, and then when everybody gets tired of it and it's just an annoying furball you have to feed and clean up after, you can just return it to the rental place.

And it would open up some jobs for pet repomen/repowomen when people don't pay their pet bills.

"Put down the baseball bat and back off, dude! I don't care how much your kid cries about it; the turtle is coming with me!"
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
One of my kid's favorite shows is Phineas and Ferb (alright, I will admit it I love it too.) And this is one of my favorite quotes from the show.

Candace points out some books and gives one line opinions of them based on the cover. When her mom calls her on it she says:

"Mom, that's why books have covers: to judge them."

 


Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
Phineas and Ferb is an awesome show.
 
Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
and then there's spongebob!
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
And now for something completely different!

Check this out. Actual sizes of popular TV sci-fi spaceships

Some of these things are astounding. I thought the Galactica would have been larger for some reason.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Interesting, except that is a lousy pic of the Andromeda.

Yeah, I would have thought the BG would be closer to the Star Wars Executor Class.
 


Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
Very interesting indeed. Where's the Andromeda? I couldn't find it at all on there.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
The Andromeda is right below the BG, kinda beside the Cylon base ship.

I mostly liked that show. Even if it did some strange things by sticking everyone on a certain planet one season.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
After talking to the police, my wife decided to nix the idea of a dog but she did find a place that rents guard dogs. Or leases them... or leashes them.


But we are still going to get the Surveillance system.

I still don't know how she thought she could get the dog to hide in the bushes out of sight until someone grabbed something.

And her first thought was to electrify the yard.
 


Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
Does anyone else feel like they have the weirdest fricken dreams in the world? As if getting attacked by demons and god and Michael the arch angel saving me wasn't enough...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Sometimes I have strange dreams, and sometimes adventure dreams. A very small number I remember enough to want to do stories based on them. Most though I can't recall enough to do a story. But I had an interesting UF dream the other night, more about that on my blog.

The other night had one about spending time in another city on vacation I think. Some made up city. Not much for a SF or Fantasy story but it could go with a general fiction I suppose. I do have three general fiction stories and some day I want to do a, hmm not sure what you call it but some type of strange adventure genria. "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo". There's another one I've heard about but can't recall the title but to me it fits in the same category.

Anyway, some of my dreams might fit something like that.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
@LD

Instead of an expensive surveillance system to catch a pety thief, how about considering a game camera? They're camoflaged and work on a motion sensor. You'll see who and when was in your yard and why they were there. Nothing scares a kid more than getting expossed in front of their parent. Showing mom and dad their angel has devil horns goes a long way on straighten them out.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
It probably would be cheaper but we would need two or three to cover things right.

And my wife assumes its adults doing it.
 


Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
In my opinion if I can't visibly see the camera than I would continue doing it...not like I would in the first place.
 
Posted by Tiergan (Member # 7852) on :
 
4th time the charm?

Finally. Took me forever to find my password and reset it all. Geez, got some bug that wouldnt let me google on firefox, had to uninstall firefox, lost my preferences, my bookmarks and then reinstall. It took 4 times before I could post here. Enough to make me drink.

[This message has been edited by Tiergan (edited May 16, 2011).]
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Tiergan I know the feeling. Not here but I've had problems with other sites for various reasons.


And John, my wife wants to prosecute, not convince them from doing it.
 


Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
I know that, just saying.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I'm back.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Welcome back Robert.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I love Phineas and Ferb, it's so inspiring. I've got a serious case of Squirrels in my Pants. It is a beautiful example of formulaic writing that works. And how they play with their formula.
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
Yea I have been caught more than once watching Phineas and Ferb when my kids are not around.
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
So I am currently sitting in a waiting room and I see a copy of a Readers Digest Condensed Books. This random musing came to mind:

What is a Condensed Book? Do you add a can of water and get the whole book?

Gave my wife a much needed chuckle.


 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Reader's Digest Condensed Books? Evil! Evil! Evil!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Things I learned while on vacation:

(1) When you buy a Visionwear glass pot far away and try to transport it home, be very careful how you pack it.

(2) Those one-stall-fits-all bathrooms create potential disasters when in use or out of order.

(3) Neil Gaiman thinks it's okay to take forty thousand dollars to speak at a library because he usually gets sixty thousand.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
A long while ago I had a dream that I was Ted Kennedy's granddaughter, who cast of the family fortune to be an artist in a studio apartment on the outskirts of Denver. It was freezing outside, because the landlord wouldn't fix the heater, so I left my studio apartment and walked to a diner.

Inside the waitress(who knew me, because she lost 47 pounds in the spin class that I taught in order to afford painting supplies) gave me a free burger and fries. In walked a rock star, who was performing in Denver, but got in an argument with his band mates so he took a drive to cool off, and then his car broke down on the exact street of the diner I was in, who looked surprisingly a lot like Kevin Jonas, but WAS not Kevin Jonas.

Well, we got to talking, and then went for a walk, and it was that warm orange sky from the streetlights shining in the middle of the night through a gentle snowstorm, and we ended up sitting on a park bench in the middle of a small ice rink which was covered in twinkling lights, which Kevin, I mean... not Kevin, said reminded him of fireflies, and then we both left for our homes.

In my studio apartment, the heat finally started, and I painted a gorgeous picture of being in the middle of fireflies, and the rock star went to his hotel room and wrote a song about fireflies, and then the next day, after I woke up(in real life) I heard Owl City's song Fireflies for the first time.

True story.
 


Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
quote:
Use what talents you possess; the woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best

Henry Van Dyke
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Every time I have a dream that amounts to, more or less, "My God, that toilet is filthy!" when I wake up, I, er, "have to go."
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
shimiqua

I have some dreams kinda along those lines. But one I had a few years ago had Harry Dresden, of Jim Butcher fame, doing some stuff like shrinking to about one inch tall, maybe three, so he could go after some mini trolls or something that lived under a house. The unique thing about it was in the dream I was watching part of it on TV. A few months later I heard they did make a TV show about him...it turned out to be sort of about him.


Robert, I dream about having to find a bathroom and I can't or it's out of order or filled.
 


Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
I wish there was a turbo button for the internet like there is for a lot of games haha
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
My weirdest dream--have I mentioned this before?--involved a certain famous author who was secretly Batman but living in a castle as a tyrannical lord. He told me I was his Robin, but when I discovered his desire to harm his own people, I set off across his marshy lands in search of Aang the Avatar. Along the way, I met Katara, who taught me to waterbend and joined me in my travels. We found Aang in a desert, voluntarily living in a prison, but before I could ask for his help, we noticed tornadoes twisting the dim air and desert sand on their way toward us. Aang proclaimed that he would must first save the prisoners. That's when I left the dream world.

I avoided TV shows and a certain author's stories for a week after that. The trouble with dreams are the random relationships.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
aspirit, I've read stories sort of like that. You should write it out. It might be some form of cyberpunk, or whatever the fantasy version is, but some of those stories are... entertaining.



 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
To me this plane of existence is like a dream. My dreams are super real.
 
Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
well, it's said that dreams are signals, each and everyone means something
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
What did I dream last night? Oh, yeah...I was at some unknown school I was attending...I was playing catch with a couple of seven-foot-tall basketball player (and I was seven-foot-tall, too), but none of us could throw the baseball (yes, baseball) with any particular accuracy...I got fed up and packed up my stuff and left the game and the school...then I got busted for taking some small item with me...the item, a red mailbox, was mine but they said it was theirs...at first it was all a matter of academics and school discipline...then it turned into a courtroom drama...then I was at the tail end of a two-year sentence, just out and eager for revenge against the school...then I woke up.

What does it mean? I want to be seven feet tall? I'm still obsessed with school? I feel guilty about school? Does the mailbox have any inner meaning related to my postal worker job?

Well, who knows? I sure don't. I subscribe to the notion that dreams don't mean anything unless you want them to, and, in general, are just your mind resting and not firing on all its cylinders. Probably everything above involves something I've seen, read about, heard about, or thought about in the last few weeks...
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
The night I first watched Inception, I had a 3-layer dream. All of the layers were just boring, mundane activities. In one layer I was just driving around Columbus (where I live) aimlessly, then in the next layer down I was grocery shopping. I can't remember what the third layer was. Once I woke up out of the dream layers into reality, I thought, "Good job, brain. That was the most boring night of sleep I've ever had."
 
Posted by Tiergan (Member # 7852) on :
 
quote:
The night I first watched Inception, I had a 3-layer dream. All of the layers were just boring, mundane activities. In one layer I was just driving around Columbus (where I live) aimlessly, then in the next layer down I was grocery shopping. I can't remember what the third layer was. Once I woke up out of the dream layers into reality, I thought, "Good job, brain. That was the most boring night of sleep I've ever had."

Columbus, Ohio? Go Buckeyes!!!

I grew up in Dayton. Half my family went to OSU.



 


Posted by enigmaticuser (Member # 9398) on :
 
Last night I dreamed a new episode of Monk. I think it would have been called "Monk and the Buried Treasure". It had something to do with Trudy and a clue that some murderer burried only to have someone else steal it and bury a decoy in its place.

I love Monk. My wife and I have almost finished the series. It will be sad when I run out of episodes.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There's what they call lucid dreaming, where you consciously take over the dream and can do whatever you want. Sounds promising, and I'm told you can train your brain to acquire it by putting an effort to recall and study your dreams, but I've only had two in my lifetime.
 
Posted by JohnColgrove (Member # 9236) on :
 
I constantly have lucid dreams and I never trained myself...that I know of.
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Yep, Columbus, Ohio. OSU grad myself. I'm actually about 1/2 hour east of the city, in Newark.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, one of the "dream" books I read said you can learn lucid dreaming by the constant writing-down of your dreams---which I did for, oh, about a year and a half, till I had to stop. (The pressure and time constraints from making a living got in the way of typing up the notes.)

I wound up realizing (1) the abovementioned thesis that "dreams don't mean anything unless you want them to," (2) there are lots of story ideas in dreams, and (3) one of my dreams (not a nightmare) was so disturbing that it haunts me down to this day.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
By the way, last night was my first night back at work...three weeks off, of which the middle section was spent traveling and vacationing. Work is okay, especially the money part...but I'd really rather not.
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
I know what you mean, Robert. I LOVE my job (high school drama teacher). The only thing I love more than going to work, is not going to work.
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
quote:
I LOVE my job (high school drama teacher).

Do High School kids need someone to teach them drama? I think they create plenty of drama on their own.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, with my job, the pay and benefits are great and I don't have to work with hot grease...on the other hand, when I started, I got to sit and to use my brains---both of which, they eliminated.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
So your dream, Robert: seven feet tall means you feel powerful, but the baseball symbolizes that you feel your power is underutilized. (You should have a basketball.) That you couldn't catch it means that your power is not only under-utilized but un-utilized. Being accused of stealing a mailbox that was yours means that you feel your ownership of your job is being taken away from you.

Yep, your right, dreams can mean whatever you want them to.

Last night I dreamed I got a pug and it was nuts anytime I was away from it. (Well it was nuts anytime I was near it too.)
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
EVOC: I misspoke (miswrote?). I'm a high school theater teacher. You're right; they need no help with the dramatics, especially the theater kids. You want a boiling cauldron of drama and emotion? Hang out backstage on a shownight at a high school play. Which is actually where I'm headed right now.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A couple of nights ago I dreamed a lot of the plot of Ratattouille---I'd just been re-watching it. But I woke up with one thought about it: a lot of the action takes place in a restaurant, but you never see or hear of anyone paying for a meal...

I suppose you can gain insight through dreams, even if it's something outside you...

*****

I might accept Pyre Dynasty's analysis except the dream involved school, and not work---aside from that, I do feel under- and un-utilized at work, though.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
School is the work of a child. And the unconscious is formed as a child so it understands things in a childlike way. (Dang it Jung stop haunting me!)

Anyways I've been spending my memorial day weekend refinishing a floor for dead people, it seems appropriate. It always gives me freaky dreams when I do that. This time I had to push a cart full of brains in tupperware into the other room. There was also one of they gurneys with a squeaky wheel, it sounded like muffled screaming coming from the body bag. It's going to take me days to scrub off the smell of death. The floor looks good though, even though next week they may spill some unspeakable goo on it.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
In collage I knew a couple of guys who worked part time at a Mortuary for free room. They told some interesting stories.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Necrophiles got it all wrong---all you run into in that line of work are people you wouldn't want to look at if they were alive...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I don't think they go for looks anyway.

But you did have to mention Necrophiles. I just got an idea of a short horror story involving them. Ugh.

Actually, it might be an interesting idea if it wasn't gross.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Necrophilia is a bad idea: you're in love and she doesn't know you're alive.

(Look on Page Three of this and you'll see I said this once before.)
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
quote:
Necrophilia is a bad idea: you're in love and she doesn't know you're alive.


 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
We haven't had any random musings in a week?

I am scared, so very scared. Someone muse, stat!
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
No
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I'll step up to the plate.

Stange Horizons has so deeply disappointed me. They have a self-restricting response time of 70 days, even saying in their guidelines...

quote:
...if you haven't heard back from us in 70 days, query immediately...

...so you can imagine my optimistic expectations once day 71 came and no response had been received by them. Made me believe my story was under consideration.

My very nice and patient query was answered with a swift and generic rejection. Come on now, not even a bone for me to gnaw on for this hungry dog?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was thinking the whole forum died...

However, I would've, on another thread...and I will, shortly.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 


Hey any nerds here?


http://www.gocomics.com/adamathome/2011/06/07/

But I have something to say but ran out of time tonight.


But be ye not fretful, oh worried one. We brave and handsome and strong ones will keep marching even through Mud and muck and slings and arrows and high heat or that is high water. There have been other dry periods on this thread, someone has a bit of wisdom to pass one sooner or later.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
GoComics just merged with Comics-dot-com (or took it over, I'm not sure.) Plus: now I can add comics like "Luann" and "9 Chickweed Lane" to my comics page. Minus: the e-mail they're supposed to send me hasn't arrived 'round four AM most of the mornings since they did it.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Does that mean the link doesn't work???


I just copied it fifteen minutes before posting it here so that would have been a quick change.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yeah, the link is fine. It's just the randomness of it all...your post from GoComics reminded me I wanted to bitch about my e-mail comics from them.

Incidentally, this morning I found one from Tuesday sent last night, and one from Wednesday sent early this morning, but not one for today.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
My very nice and patient query was answered with a swift and generic rejection. Come on now, not even a bone for me to gnaw on for this hungry dog?

I once had Del Rey Books sit on three-chapters-and-an-outline for over a year...and my query brought an apology for taking so long, a quick extraction from the slush pile, and a swift rejection. (I'm not sorry; in retrospect, it was terrible.)
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
When asked a question by a panther, it's likely best not to anther.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
It would seem like to me that you better anther.



 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The best buck is the one with the biggest anthers.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Did you hear the one about the god Thor and the maiden? Well, Thor came down to Earth and [Material Self-Censored] and, afterwards, he said, "Thanks, and, by the way, I'm Thor."

"You're Thor!" the maiden replied. "I'm thorer, thir, than you!"
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
My sister suffers from night terrors. Just now she screamed bloody murder, it shook the house. Last time that happened she almost ran right through a fourth floor plate glass window. Luckily someone was there to tackle her then. She's okay.
 
Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
Wow. Sounds like your sister is having some serious issues... That is scary.

I had a few of episodes of night terrors when I was a teenager. It was as if a demon was trying to possess me and when I tried to move or speak, I was unable and felt as if I was pinned to my bed. This experience is the only experience I can relate with the feeling of "horror."

I don't know if the issue with night terrors is a pure physiological/psychological phenomenon or if there is a spiritual element to it as well. I'm sure scientists would tell you one thing and a spiritual person quite another. I will say that I don't have fear of having night terrors anymore (and would never expect to have them again) as a Christian believer. At the same time, I don't want to belittle any issue that really could be medically-related and requires medical attention.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've gone through a plate glass window...believe me, it's something to be avoided at all costs.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Wordcaster, your experience of not being able to move may actually be physiological, or so I've been told. It sounds like "sleep paralysis" which is often accompanied by a sense of weight on your body, and it is what is believed to have caused the folklore of being "hag-ridden."

What goes on, physiologically when you sleep, is that the nerve signals to the muscles are shut down so you don't thrash around the bed when you dream. If you wake up suddenly, the signals haven't had time to start up again, and you feel paralyzed.

You can find out more about it on Wikipedia.

But there are certainly other kinds of night terrors. My sympathy to your sister, Pyre Dynasty.

 


Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
Kathleen,

I had learned about the sleep paralysis years after my episodes. It is entirely possible that my whole experiences were physiological. I also had bad nightmares at the time -- something I haven't had in years.

The whole concept of dreams and sleep is a fascinating subject itself.
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
My oldest boy used to get night terrors, but it seems he has grown out of them now (knock on wood).

Most of the time he stayed bed. They are actually fairly common in children, so my Doctor says. But it sure scared the heck out of me.

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Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Saw HANNA last night (finally--after reading OSC's review a few weeks ago), and was very impressed by it. If someone had told me that a violent adventure film could be so cleverly integrated with an artistic style, I might have scoffed. Now I know different.

And all I can say is, "Wow!"
 


Posted by Ethereon (Member # 9133) on :
 
Ants, insidious invaders, I shake my fist at you!
 
Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Shaking your fist is about all you CAN do when it comes to ants . Their little tunnels are genius since they're only large enough for the ants themselves, so any larger insects would have a useless time trying to invade an ant colony.

I actually used that as a strategy in one of my stories, where the humans are going against larger creatures that absolutely demolish them on open ground. So they make networks of tunnels just big enough for humans, and they have those tunnels studded with holes they pop up through to take potshots at the enemies.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Then there are those ants in the last Indiana Jones Movie. The next day I said they were the stuff of nightmares.


But we manage to have some control of our ants. Notice I said some control.


Anyone see that old Horror movie Phase Three or some such?
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
So I am moving in a couple of weeks. Not far, but I still hate moving.

I can check the forums and stuff, but posting first 13 crits will probably have to wait.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
So I am having a baby in a couple of weeks.

I'm excited to hopefully get my normal brain back, and get some real writing done. In the last nine months I have only finished one story. I've written a lot of beginnings, some I'm actually happy with, but I don't seem to have the brain energy to follow the dots to an ending.

But critting probably won't be happening for a few months. So snapper, get on the ball with the challenge, or I will be critting stories from a hospital bed. I've got four weeks left, snapper...
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
Congrats! Don't know how much brain you get back after having kids. I got three young boys and I can never remember where I set my brain down.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
So I am having a baby in a couple of weeks...I'm excited to hopefully get my normal brain back, and get some real writing done.

I, ah...wouldn't count on it...
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

I, ah...wouldn't count on it...


My first thought was to ask which you meant the normal brain or the get more writing done. But my second thought was most probably both.

I started seriously writing after my daughter was born and had grown a bit. Even though I didn't have her, I did spend a lot of time carrying her around for the first year or so, changing diapers etc.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
The Fourth of July is coming.


I know this by the fact that there are stacks of plywood appearing in many shopping centers.

I've never seen them unloaded so I don't know if aliens, or people from the future, transport them down, if a warp hole opens and they pop in from an alternate universe or if some wizard uses magic but they are there every year at this time. After a week or so they turn into booths that stay around from one week to one month altogether. Then they turn back into piles of plywood and after a few more days that wormhole opens again.
 


Posted by Osiris (Member # 9196) on :
 
quote:

so you can imagine my optimistic expectations once day 71 came and no response had been received by them. Made me believe my story was under consideration.

Same happened to me, though I got my rejection after 68 days, so I hadn't queried. I was so hopeful, too.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

Same happened to me, though I got my rejection after 68 days, so I hadn't queried. I was so hopeful, too.


responding to this mini thread here, I can relate--I suspect most writers can--Not with Strange Horizons but once F&SF took two months to get back to me and another time six weeks. Just the normal rejection from the usual slush reader, neither hadn't even moved up.

And even though I can't recall for sure which ones now, the same type of thing has happened with one or two other mags.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A story at a market is like the Schrodinger's Cat paradox---quantum physics in action. Either it's accepted or it's rejected, so, by the rules of quantum physics, it's half accepted, half rejected.

But which would you prefer?
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Ah, would that acceptance and rejection was a 50/50 chance.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

Robert, after thinking about for a minute or two I decided I would go with half accepted. That might mean a personal note or at least some indication that it moved up to the next level. In WotF that could mean a HM.

And Nate I agree with you.

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Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
shimiqua, all of your creative energy has been going into growing that baby, and it may take a while after the birth before you have that energy back again.

Shannon Hale gave birth to twins several months ago, and it put quite a crimp in her writing output, but she's getting back into things now.

So give yourself time, and from my experience, I think I can assure you that you will be back in business (of writing) in a few months, if not weeks.

Congratulations, by the way.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Rats, They took Thor off. All I needed was three more days to see it. It looked like it was going to make it until the last moment.


They did that to me last year. Took off two movies in the middle of the week, all I needed was two days then.
 


Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
"Saw HANNA last night (finally--after reading OSC's review a few weeks ago), and was very impressed by it. If someone had told me that a violent adventure film could be so cleverly integrated with an artistic style, I might have scoffed. Now I know different."

Check out "Man on Fire."
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm hoping to see Cars 2 sometime in the next week...but, from what I've heard, well...I liked the NASCAR stuff, and the Route 66 stuff...but, near as I can gather, neither is present this time around.
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
quote:
I'm hoping to see Cars 2 sometime in the next week...but, from what I've heard, well...I liked the NASCAR stuff, and the Route 66 stuff...but, near as I can gather, neither is present this time around.

I took my two older boys to see it yesterday for my middle child's 4th birthday.

If you are going in expecting NASCAR and Route 66 you will be disappointed in it. However, if you are going into it for a fun movie, you will enjoy it. I won't spoil it for anyone.

It is worth checking out at the Theaters.

After all it is Pixar, even their worst movies are good.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

Me and my wife are going to see Green Lantern next in two weeks, more than likely it will still be playing. She may want to see X-Men: First Class.


As to Cars2 I wouldn't mind seeing it even though I haven't seen the whole first one yet. Evidently him and the tow truck go to Europe and get involved with spies.


HANNA I looked over but decided it wasn't my type of movie but I will take a second look.

Super 8 might be interesting.


Been waiting for Captain America but that's later. From the previews though I have problem with it already. His outfit doesn't fit right. It looks a touch too big for him instead of being skin tight.

Aliens vs Cowboys might be good despite the title.
 


Posted by Natej11 (Member # 8547) on :
 
Agreed. When it comes to Pixar, you can always count on it being at least worth watching, and usually a great movie.

We'll have to see about Cars 2. Sequels can be hit and miss, often with a lot more miss, but Pixar's got a good track record there too.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Been having fun with my new Color Nook. Think I'll test it and see if I can download the stories for the trigger challenge snapper cooked up. Supposedly once I plug it into my desk computer, it will be considered a external hard drive which means it will be easy to transfer the file but we shall see if I can open the file on the Nook. May have to get the Office app for that.


But it's fun playing around with a new electronic toy. I usually don't get to spend that type of money on myself. I had to stop before I could figure it all out so I can write or that is procrastinate further by posting these posts.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I am so terribly behind where it comes to movies. So behind that many of them are already popping up on netflix instant. My trouble is when I have time to go see a movie I usually don't feel like going anywhere. That, and all the people I usually go to movies with are all moving away. (Also I have a thing in my brain about paying for something that I'm not going to own, even food. I don't want to go to a concert, because tomorrow I'll only have memories, when I buy the CD it will still be there.)

In Cars 2 it's Japan, and it's more of a spy movie. I just get this from the theatres. I didn't like Cars all too much. It was still good, but my mind kept trying to figure out the biology of it. What are you if every piece in you can be replaced? Are the only people who die the ones who can't afford repairs? It drove me nuts. I don't know why I didn't have the same thing with Toy Story where it's similar. I guess I was younger when I already accepted the mythos of living toys. (In fact my first stories were about such.) Also they way the characters are designed they look like all they are are heads on wheels.

I want to see all the marvel films, as I'm a big fan of the characters. From what I've heard of Thor it's my number 1 want to see. The things people are saying make me think they got some subtleties from the mythology right, because the people who tell me things don't know Tyr about it.

I somewhat dread seeing First Class, because it just looks ugly to me. I read the comic books so I know that different artists bring different styles to the characters and world; and that this is a good thing. But I enjoy myself less when I don't like a particular artist.

Now I'm just rambling, why is it that I can't sleep when I'm most tirade.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
From what I hear, Cars 2 may have more in common with the Mater's Tall Tales shorts than the original Cars.\

What worries me is that the last two Pixar movies were so emotionally moving that grown men wept in the theaters...and, with this, from the outside, it looks like a simple action-adventure movie.

Ah, well...the next Pixar movie in the pipeline is called Brave, it's set in the Scottish Highlands, and features a female protagonist...
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

Cars2 in Japan??? Boy, was I off. Maybe the blurb I read said overseas and I thought that mean Europe.


And what was the other Pixor movie that had grown men weeping? I assume one was the latest Toy Story.


And any one see Super 8? With Abrams and Spielburg it could very well be better than one might assume by the plot.


 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
Cars 2 takes place in Japan, Italy, and London England. Only briefly in Radiator Springs.

I am behind on my movies too, except for the kids ones. This has more to do with my babysitting situation then anything.

I love the movies just as much as I love books. And just like books, I like movies with a good story.

Pyre, I laughed when I read your post about figuring out the biology. It crossed my mind as well, but not until I watched it at home on DVD. Pixar actually put incredible thought into the biology of the Cars, but of course that doesn't make the cut for the movie.
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Can y'all imagine anything geekier than these wedding cakes?

 
Posted by Osiris (Member # 9196) on :
 
quote:
Can y'all imagine anything geekier than these wedding cakes?

I love it, especially the Futurama and binary cakes! I can only hope in 20+ years when my son meets that special lady, he'll ask for a wedding cake like one of those.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I won't be seeing Cars 2 this week, maybe next week, when we celebrate independence and I have an extra day off. I think I can count on its being in theaters up till then.

This week I'll be rounding up the Blu-Ray version of the extended editions of The Lord of the Rings movies, though I'm informed there's nothing that wasn't on the original DVDs, not even something from The Hobbit...

*****

Yup...geeky, all right. I usually bake my own cakes, though I'm no master of the icing...
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Awww, when I saw your post Kathleen I was all prepared to post: Yes I can imagine something geekier than those cakes, these cakes. But then your link turned out to be the same as my link.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The last two days, I've been plagued by a horde of mosquitos. Heavy rains at breeding season peak, I suppose. Others in my family, they mostly leave alone, but me, I guess, they like my taste.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
They like my wife and she seems to be allergic to them.

Oh, we seem to have a lot more around here than we used to. Can't figure out why, we don't have any free standing water, the neighbors pools are kept clean.


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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, they are disease carriers...this morning I had a sore throat, and, I'm afraid, from the way I feel, I may be about to be horribly sick...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Around here they have been spreading... I think West Nile virus. Not all of them carry it but enough to be a concern.

It's something that can effect different people differently. Evidently to must it is like a light flu. But to some it can totally wipe them out for a while with extreme exhaustion and other symptoms or worse, and to even fewer it can kill.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I am sick...I feel worse right now than when I called in sick for work last night. A cold, I think...but I had one in February and I shouldn't be due for a year or so...
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I saw Cars 2 and I was disappointed. It was, in my opinion, the worst Pixar movie ever. That said, it was still Pixar, so it wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen, or even the worst kids movie. But I think I could have waited for netflix on this one.

My kids did sit through it without getting bored.

Anyway thanks for the congrats.
~Sheena
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I just read a review in a local free paper that said Cars 2 was better than Cars. So I suppose they pleased one person...

*****

I'm still stick, missed another day of work, but feel somewhat better now. So far, this cold hasn't moved down into my lungs, and I hope it stays that way 'cause I'll cough for months if it does...
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Robert I have that problem also. But I use Coldease and it helps it not get into my chest. If I do get a cough it usually lasts a lot less with that stuff.


In the past my worse coughing has been at night when it's time to go to bed... whatever time that is.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Usually with a cold with me, it's sleep an hour, toss and turn awhile, sleep another hour, toss and turn awhie, sleep another...well, you get the idea. I usually use Alka Seltzer Cold when the symptoms are at their peak, which helps a little---psychologically if nothing else.

Anyway, I worked last night...you wouldn't believe what a problem they can be about missing a day or two for being sick...just last night I talked with someone who was sick then-and-there and had been denied leave to go home.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
BTW

Happy Fourth.!!!!

For those who live in the US of course

For the rest of you have a good day working, studying or writing.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The rest of the world can have a happy fourth as well.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So far, I have.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
And I hope we all have a happy fifth of July tomorrow, and a happy sixth of July after that, and so on and so on.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Didn't mention before that I got and went through the Blu-Ray extended editions of The Lord of the Rings---not during the time I would've been working, I was trying to sleep most of that time---but during the hours where I was still up and around. (Wound up sleeping sixteen hours straight through---or trying to.)

Still the same movie, no extras (unless you count a trailer for a video game), even the Easter Eggs are the same...but the look of it is improved, most of the things that looked back-projected on the DVD look better here (one exception: the Parley at the Black Gate, where they ride up to it, still doesn't look right---it was an add-on to begin with, maybe a shot never properly perfected).

And, when you get down to it, it's still a terrific movie.

*****

My cold lingers, some nose and throat congestion. At least it didn't go down into my lungs again. I didn't go to see Cars 2 this week, holiday or no, so probably next week.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I was hoping that they would get the whole thing on one disc, and thread it together as one movie. (Yes, I know I'm crazy.) I would even accept dvd quality.

In HD I worried that you would be able to see the cloth covering the faces of the wraiths too clearly. (Instead of just darkness.) In the theaters it bothered me.
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
I hate moving. I just got done moving over this last weekend. But our new home had a perfect view of the Fireworks they conduct over the waterfront out here. So my kids loved it.

Moving, is usually dreaded by me, but this move represented a step to getting back on our feet.

So now I have to add housework and yard work to my list of writing distractions.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've moved three times in my semi-adult life, and hated each time. Now, I've been here more than twenty years. This is it.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, it took a little longer than I thought, but I saw Cars 2 this afternoon...it's no Cars [1] or WALL-E...and it lacked most of the Route 66 / NASCAR stuff, as well as Paul Newman...and Larry the Cable Guy had top billing (and was the star)...but it wasn't bad. I enjoy picking out the oddball details the animators put in, and the movie was loaded with them. (Scenes in Paris self-referenced Ratatouille, for instance.)

However, they set up a mystery, and I figured out the answer to it about a third of the way through---I don't think I was tipped off by reviews, but some detail might've stayed with me. Let's just say I know all about cars that need special tools in order to work on them. This is one curse of being a writer---you spend so much time plotting things that you can see through someone else's plot.

I'll give it a good going-over again when it's out on DVD and Blu-Ray.

(And it had a ten-minute short featuring the main cast of the Toy Story movies, too.)
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
In looking the thread over for my previous Cars 2 comments, I notice I never answered LDWriter2's question about the other Pixar movie that had grown men weeping. It was Up, the montage section early in the movie, called "Married Life" on the DVD menu, I think...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Yeah, that one got me too.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
How many fans of Dean Wesley Smith's advice for writers have actually read one of his novels?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I have. Loved his STNG "Hard Rain".

And there's another Star Trek one I can't think of at the moment.

I should say that are those under DWS he has other pen names some of which I don't know. and there are ghost writings he's done no one will know. However I think I know one of them.


B&N doesn't carry that many under DWS, I've looked. Maybe I should look again though. The first time I looked for OCS they only had a couple-- months later they had ten or so.

Hmm, I could try the search feature on my Nook.

[This message has been edited by LDWriter2 (edited July 24, 2011).]
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
The other night I had this great urban fantasy dream. Somehow I pissed off this dragon and I had to hide all through my town to get away from him. He nearly destroyed everything. So much fun, not much of a story there though, perhaps a game. (For the record I didn't actually steal the thing he accused me of stealing.)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
a little tweaking and it could be a story.

I had a UF dream not that long ago but that's all I can remember of it.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The thing I'm working on right now did come from a dream...I think I mentioned having the dream a few months ago, here or in some other thread...having the dream and thinking it would make a good story, not the actual details of the dream...
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
I have story out making the rounds that was inspired by a dream I had, and actually terrified me.

I am currently working on one that came from a random thought I had that turned into a day dream. It is now turning into a story.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I love where stories come from. It's so random.

I wonder if I could turn my current situation into a story. I have an allergy to aloe vera, it gives me a wicked rash. When I was a child I always got the worst sun burns. We thought I had sensitive skin, but it was actually the cream I was putting on after the day in the sun. On Friday I got myself a Strawberry Daiquiri Sobe with lunch, it was on sale so I thought I'd give it a chance. It was tasty, but shortly after I finished it my throat started getting itchy. I gave the bottle a good look and there it was in large letters. I never thought they would put aloe in a drink. Now I have a rash all down my throat.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I had dream the other night about writing, more precise it was about learning to write.

I can't recall what group I was with but they decided to do a couple of skits to teach how to write. I can't recall the first skit except that the leader of the group was in it. I thought he was in the second one too but it turned out to be a girl playing a man. She had her hair down kind alike the leader's. But she also had an eyepatch and I recall thinking she wore it to look more like a man and I wondered what else she may have worn but that was when I woke.

Second time I have dreamt about learning to write but I can remember what was said or taught either time.
 


Posted by Crane (Member # 9586) on :
 
quote:
Second time I have dreamt about learning to write but I can remember what was said or taught either time.

I'm not a dream analyst, LD, but this seems like an important one. I have read and experienced that language is not the easiest thing for a dream to contain. I wouldn't worry about what was said in the dream so much as what you saw.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Way, way back, I used to dream about books. I'd get them, then start to eat them. Not that it tasted like paper does in real life.

I suppose it had something to do with the importance of books in my life at the time, like books were as important to me as eating. (Also a character in the Gormenghast trilogy did this, ate books, but I'm pretty sure I had the dream before I read that.)
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I've dreamed about reading books before. Usually it was when I was anticipating the release of one. I liked my version of Harry Potter 5 more, Harry learned how to be an animagus.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:

I'm not a dream analyst, LD, but this seems like an important one. I have read and experienced that language is not the easiest thing for a dream to contain. I wouldn't worry about what was said in the dream so much as what you saw.

Besides, leaving out a n't on can, I wonder what that dream was saying. That one of my favorite guy authors is really a girl. There is Rob Thompson by whose picture Rob is either a nice looking cross dresser or actually a woman. I like her writing even though I decided not to read any more of her books. The reason is a while back on the what you are reading thread and on my blog.

That I should listen to a girl who is pretending to be a guy while teaching writing?

Or the other way maybe I should listen to a guy with long hair and join his group, too bad Butcher cut his hair. Or is there a group that teaches writing by drama presentations? Hmmm, my church has been showing short videos by a certain group who have a rather unique way of getting Biblical teachings across. Lighthearted and serious at the same time. Maybe another group does the same for writing.

But I can't recall anything about the skits.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I wish I could remember the stories I'd written in my dreams, that, in those dreams, got published.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I have had one dream about writing. I worked on a flat computer screen built into a desk top. In the dream I could see the part of the story displayed but after I woke I couldn't remember any of it. It might have been Urban Fantasy but I'm not sure of even that.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Does it seem kinda...quiet on the boards this past week?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Yep.

It does.
 


Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Maybe all the talkative people went to WorldCon.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I got it active enough to move to another page...
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
quote:
Maybe all the talkative people went to WorldCon.

AHHH there it is again.

I was supposed to go this year, and I had to cancel at the last minute. I am so bummed and it seems like everyone everywhere is talking about it.


 


Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
I wanted to go, too, and it's not even that far from me ... only a couple of states to the west. Oh, well. Maybe next year in Chicago is doable.
 
Posted by pdblake (Member # 9218) on :
 
Not sure if this is grist for the mill or not, but I was just watching the BBC proms.

I couldn't help but notice that all the musicians were looking at their music and playing perfectly well. The music was fine, none of them looked at the conductor, aside from the odd glance.

So, what is he for? What does the conductor do?

Probably ignorance on my part, but rock bands and the like don't need some bloke with a stick to direct them, so why does an orchestra?
 


Posted by pdblake (Member # 9218) on :
 
You spend years brewing your own beer, making meticulous notes, marking every change in temperature, measuring hops like a fanatic, even growing your own, and, finally, after years, and years and bloody years, you find the perfect pint (and even a run on sentence to go with it), and realise that you never noted the recipe, at all.

Excuse me while I go outside and throw myself on a potato fork until it really, really bloody hurts.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Tempo. Never quite mastered it when I was in a grade school band.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I think the conductor is sort of like the director of a movie. You don't see him doing anything when the film is rolling, but he has made it clear to the actors how they are to "play their music/roles" and they do that according to his interpretation of the music/script.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Today I thought of another reason it might be quiet around here but it seems to be picking up again so my idea could be wrong,


A lot of people are over at google+. I spend about ten to twenty minutes a day there but others seem to be there a lot.


And I think Kathleen has a point about conductors. Some of what a orchestra does is for show, including turning their instruments. And they have already practiced a lot with the conductor so beyond him-or her- explaining the music and saying it's time to start the song, they may not pay attention to him so much. They already know what they are to do and when. I have heard of orchestras playing without a conductor for one reason or another.



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've heard John Phillip Sousa's band started cold---tuning up was just for show and he disapproved of it.

As I recall, the gestures the conductor makes are for balance---which group of instruments he wants loud or soft, dominating or background---non-musical terms, but it's been, like, forty years since I last watched a conductor from the viewpoint of a musician being conducted.

(I remember once having to play, oh, "Stranger in Paradise," it's best known to listeners---Poly-something-or-other Dance #2 by Borodin. The brass section dropped out---all of us had forgotten our sheet music. I played the lead from memory, though I was third chair at the time.)
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Some of you may have seen most of this already but figured- took me long enough- it could still go here.

Went on a weekend wedding anniversary trip to Yosemite- two night stay at B&B- at the beginning of August-- told you it took me long enough to think of placing this here.

The weekend was great except for two- three clitches. That third one was how long the line was to get in. Yikes, it was the longest we have ever seen by far. And inside the park they closed one lane on some of the two lane one way roads. With no warning.

Second we got lost momentarily while parking. Had to drive around so much we got turned around and turned around. Took a loong moment to figure out where the stores and bathrooms were.

Third, was the biggest. Five minutes after taking off to leave we couldn't find my wife's camera. Since mine malfunctioned, it was the only one with pictures of this year and she needs it. We pulled over and she ended up tearing up the area behind the seats in my pickup and wrecking the Styrofoam cooler we had just bought before I finally remembered where I saw her put it. And as we waited in the line to get in, my camera decided it was time to quit, not even new batteries helped.

Nice B&B- great, relaxing place- and very nice scenery though.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Quiet here again.

I've indulged in a massive clean-up of my office, about two-thirds complete (and that took a whole week).

Anyway, my desk, a cheap plywood table, is now largely devoid of crap. But removing the stuff on top of it and under it seems to have an effect. Right now, I'm typing this out on my keyboard---and the whole thing squeaks like hell.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Yeah, it is quiet, I've been trying to think of something to say.


But if your keyboard squeaks, you probably need a new one.

Sounds like you need some of that heavy stuff on your desk. Maybe buy a hardback dictionary or some heavy book on your type of business. It might impress your co-workers and possibly your boss.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, nobody but family visits my home---and that's the way I like it. The last one of them in my office was my mother, last week, where I visited YouTube and pulled up old video clips of The Temptations.

Even then, she stood just outside the door. It was right after that, that I decided to bite the bullet and start cleaning in here.

Doesn't seem to be squeaking as much right now; I took advantage of a little open space and shifted around to another angle...either way, someday soon I plan to get a proper desk in here, assuming I'm still working in the near future...
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Interesting.

Where I work I ain't got no desk. In fact I have to lay out my laptop on a work table, every now and then getting in someone's way who wants to work through break.

At home we have just a computer desk with a wee bit of space for any writing. Of course I do most writing on the computer so it usually doesn't matter.

The computer is one piece with a flat but slanted top-down toward the back, it's a bit of sticky wicket to write on top of it. My pen always rolls off when I put it down, then I have to spend a while looking for it instead of writing. Got to find a better place for it.


I thought I would get that out of the way before anyone else asks.

Actually I have written in that wee space. I need an address or sometimes after I turn off the computer and am brushing my teeth etc. to get ready for bed when an idea about the story I was just writing on comes to mind. So instead of firing everything back up, I just pen a few lines to jog my memory the next evening.



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
By the way, I say "office" but it's really "third room" of a three-room house. I have "main bedroom" (the one with the attached bathroom), "library" (second room) and "office" (third room). There's also "living room" and "dining room," between the two, as well as "kitchen" and "garage." And there are a lot of books and boxes piled up in nearly all of them...
 
Posted by posulliv (Member # 8147) on :
 
quote:
You spend years brewing your own beer, making meticulous notes, marking every change in temperature, measuring hops like a fanatic, even growing your own, and, finally, after years, and years and bloody years, you find the perfect pint (and even a run on sentence to go with it), and realise that you never noted the recipe, at all.

Happened to me this week. Great minds and all that (minus the run on). I'll call this my pdblake brew and bend an elbow in your honor. Sláinte!
 


Posted by anarresti (Member # 9614) on :
 
I have a 95 cent Avon paperback from February 1974 called "2020 Vision" edited by Jerry Pournelle. It has short stories by Poul Anderson, Harlan Ellison, Larry Niven, A.E. Van Vogt, Norman Spinrad, Ben Bova, and two people I can't track down: Dave McDaniel and Dian Girad. Pournelle commissioned all the stories.

I remember looking at the spaceship cover as I stood by the revolving book rack in the Eckerd's Drugstore in Concord, North Carolina. I had ridden my bike up to there to buy a book.

Somehow this paperback has managed to avoid "transportation" to Goodwill or to the Library. I'm glad. The smell of the pages brings back some of that sense of wonder I felt when I read those stories over 35 years ago.
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
In regards to writing 1974 isn't that far back but how is the writing?



 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A quick check of my library turns up no copy, but I think I remember seeing it, lo those many years ago...y'know, a lot of my books of that vintage have yellowed and aged...and the ones I really liked a lot and reread frequently are also quite battered, a lot of 'em practically falling apart.
 
Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
...waiting.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

A little early but I know what Santa Claus drives when he's giving the sleigh and/or reindeer a rest. An older small pickup. I wasn't able to see what make.

I was stopped for a red light and turned to see if there was anything to see. There he was pudgy, about the right height, with a full, long, white beard. He wore a red baseball cap. And you probably can guess what color pick up.

What I don't know is if he lives around here or just traveling the countryside; checking on his list, slumming or just mellowing out.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A rant. Cartoon Network is running old "Looney Tunes / Merrie Melodies" Warner Bros. cartoons---you know, Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Porky Pig, etcetera. (Probably to promote their "new" half-hour sitcom Looney Tunes cartoon.)

Yesterday, I flipped through channels and happened on it. They were running "The Scarlet Pumpernickel"---which, if you know it, is one of their classic best cartoons. I watched it through---they're only eight minutes long, most of the time---and damned if they didn't edit out, first, one funny sight-gag, and then the ending! (If you know the cartoon, you probably know the nature of the cut gags.)

It's hardly the only time. There was a Bugs Bunny cartoon that had an ending that---but I digress. I think anybody watching, child or adult, isn't going to be influenced to do anything or believe anything from something they see Bugs or Daffy do or say. But, even if they're protecting the innocent children---why should us putative adults suffer?
 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 
quote:
I think anybody watching, child or adult, isn't going to be influenced to do anything or believe anything from something they see Bugs or Daffy do or say.

As a child, and even through my teenaged years, I heard the hyper-protective bubble-wrap-advocate parents rage out against one of my all-time favorite cartoons: The Road Runner. And, it's a good thing I took their warnings to heart...one Saturday morning, after watching that cartoon, I asked my mom to drive me to the tallest building in town; "I want to jump off and land head-first on the concrete sidewalk so I can turn into a walking accordian, just like Wile E. Coyote did. That would be so cool!!!"

This post brought to you by the phrase: "Dripping with sarcasm."

S!
S!

 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
Funny you should mention this Robert, as I am watching it right now with my two younger boys. They have been showing these classics for some time. I have not seen "The Scarlet Pumpernickel" on in a while, but the last time I saw it they had not cut anything from it.

EDITED TO ADD:

Well, I just talked to my wife and she told me that we have it on DVD and nothing is edited out of the DVD version but that TV has almost always cut out the last scene. She sent me this link

[This message has been edited by EVOC (edited September 15, 2011).]
 


Posted by skadder (Member # 6757) on :
 
Question: Is it possible to make people do what you want them to? Without the use of threats or promises...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The Wiki article refers to Daffy "sneezing," but what he does is, er, partake of some snuff, and his reaction thereafter---and I suppose they don't want the impressionable kiddies thinking Daffy was partaking of something else...

*****

quote:
Question: Is it possible to make people do what you want them to? Without the use of threats or promises...

A certain guru of a certain group who shall remain nameless says all you need to do to make someone your slave is use "please" and "thank you." Give that a try.
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
quote:
The Wiki article refers to Daffy "sneezing," but what he does is, er, partake of some snuff, and his reaction thereafter---and I suppose they don't want the impressionable kiddies thinking Daffy was partaking of something else...

I don't get it either. I have three very young boys and they love the classic Looney Tunes. The problem is parents who have a problem with certain shows don't restrict their kids from them. Any cartoon my kids watch, I watch first. This way if I don't like it, they don't watch it.

I found the full version on Youtube.. For those that wish to know what was so "offensive".
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
DisneyChannel is doing it to with their old Mickey Mouse cartoons too, except they are taking it a step farther. They're adding moderns "Pow"s and "Zang"s and pointless commentary (MST style.)
I haven't seen the one where Goofy fishes with tabacco yet, they probably won't even try to edit that one.

I wonder if they've butchered my favorite one yet. I forget its name but Elmer Fudd was a Mountie hunting Bugs. It ends with Elmer asking Bugs if he has any last wishes and Bugs goes into "I wish I was in Dixie . . . " and the whole firing squad turns into a minstrel show. I doubt they'd show that.
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
Yea they cut that ending too.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I couldn't locate my guide to Looney Tunes to get a title (it's getting harder and harder to dive into my pile of books), but that was the Bugs Bunny cartoon and cut sequence I had in mind when I mentioned it above---I didn't find out it even existed until I was an adult. I've seen two different edit jobs on it over the years.

Lots of blackface gags get routinely cut. There was one in a Tweety-and-Sylvester movie where Sylvester, disguised as a Swedish maid, complete with Swedish accent, comes in to clean Tweety's cage, grabs Tweety, but actually grabs a firecracker (?) which explodes, [the following being cut] and Sylvester, now in blackface, does an Eddie "Rochester" Anderson imitation and leaves, collapsing at the end.

There's some cartoons that have been dropped altogether. There's one called "Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs," which is one of those things you have to see to believe. I'd post a link but it's a touchy matter---I just watched the whole thing on YouTube, so you can find it there. (Some consider this Bob Clampett's masterpiece, too.)

Somebody said there's, like, seven Warners cartoons they won't show on TV, even when they're showing "all of them" in a marathon run. Too bad.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Go UTES!!!
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Hurray for Peter Dinklage winning the Emmy for "Game of Thrones." His portrayal of Tyrion is the best thing about that show.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

Speaking about blogging


http://www.gocomics.com/garfield/2011/09/18/
 


Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
What I can't figure out is why the I LOVE LUCY episodes are still considered politically correct.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You want some brutal editing...the current versions of I Love Lucy running [on Lifetime? I forget, even though I sometimes watch them there] often take punchlines out of jokes...one joke had Fred Mertz run out and get baseball gear for the soon-to-be-Little-Ricky, and shows Lucy a baseball signed by "the greatest baseball player there ever was." She looks at it---and this is the part they cut out---and says, "Oh! Spaulding!"
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Cage a Vampire from the Civil War era???

http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/now/is-nicolas-cage-a-vampire/216


But if he was Lincoln would have got him.

Hey. What, you didn't you know Abraham Lincoln was a vampire hunter???

At least according to one book.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Vampire? What does that make the rest of his family? And haven't we been plagued by their movies long enough now?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Here's a link to a site that has the photo without an annoying video...

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/09/20/civil-war-era-photo-eerily-resembles-nicolas-cage-sparks-vampire-rumors/?test=faces
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Yeah, but don't the walruses carry hats for just that sort of thing?
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
I am so glad Hatrack is back up. I was shaking from withdrawals
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
I was on Hatrack just before it went down yesterday, and every single category said it had zero topics and zero posts. Scary.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
I think skadder is waiting to make post #3000
 
Posted by Delli (Member # 9202) on :
 
So, it turns out I check Hatrack a lot......
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So where's it all been for the past two days?

Thought it might've been me---either my computer or AOL, probably the latter, has a case of the slows---but, here, I got the "routine maintenance" screen...
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
Routine Maintenance was what I got too. Don't know what it was down so long for.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Random thought...

Yesterday, the lightbulb in my office lamp blew out. It was annoying, 'cause I'd just changed it about ten days ago. I changed it again, and was sitting here at my computer, when, damned if the new lightbulb blew out, too!

I suppose now there's a problem with the old lamp. It's about, well, how old it is, I can't say---I bought it used, twenty-five years ago---and if it's going to keep blowing out my meager and dwindling supply of Edison-base 100 watters, I'll just have to replace it, maybe with a proper neon-tube office light. (How's that for a long sentence?)
 


Posted by MrsBrown (Member # 5195) on :
 
Hello everyone, its been quite a while. My WIP has been nibbling at my heels, begging for attention. Last night I wrote three paragraphs--it's been since Oct. 2010 that I wrote anything on my 'puter. Wow! Didn't know it had been so long, until I checked just now.

I finally transitioned out of a job that drained all my energy. For two years I tried to write an operations and maintenance manual about a system of systems to which I did not have access. I like tech writing when its part of what I'm creating, but not when its about stuff I'm not knowledgeable about.

Now I'm back to writing code (programming), and absolutely loving it. I'm close to finishing a milestone. I'll have to write test procedures and test it (more tech writing), but I don't mind since the purpose is to validate my own creative work (the software). Life is good!

Also I've been diagnosed with sleep apnea, and feel very hopeful about the cure. I'm tired of being tired all the time. With renewed energy from good sleep and a job I love, I am very optimistic about getting back to Ida (my WIP).

These positive changes are coming about after much prayer. Thanks God! I give Him the credit.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My father fixed my old lamp...it has this old Christmas-tree light that illuminates a glass base (I never use it), and it had come loose and (according to my Dad) was causing the other bulbs to blow out.

So far it works...which I'm glad of 'cause I don't have to replace it. A stroll through the office supply stores turned up only small desk lamps, the kind that illuminate what's in front of you, not the whole room. This will continue to do.
 


Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Mrs. Brown!

I've missed you and Ida. Toss her a sheep for me!

http://www.etsy.com/listing/53696077/stormtrooper-regrets-those-were-the?utm_source=OpenGraph&utm_medium=PageTools&utm_campaign=Share

This makes me happy.
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It was like magic when my parent's got their C-pap machines. They were suddenly colorful and energetic. I didn't realize how gray they were before(I mean their skin). I probably have sleep apnea, and should probably break down and get treatment for it, but I never did like doctors.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 


You know how hard it is to come up with names for your characters?


http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2011/10/02
 


Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
Isn't that the truth.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
shimiqua you got me curious is that something you did, Mrs. Brown or something you just threw in?



 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Thought I would throw this in here too since not everyone reads every thread.

Free E-book. Kindle or Nook.

For more info

http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/?p=5623#comments

Kristine Grayson "Wickedly Charming" Novel.

Even though it looks like a romance I will give it a try. It's a top writer after all and it's free. One thing though I will wait 'till I get my Nook fired up but I've always wondered if I "buy" a book with my desk computer will it still show up on my Nook? Evidently with my desk computer I can access E-books bought with my Nook.

And should we have a thread for free books?
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Adieu, or adios, or whatever. I'm going away for a week starting in about three hours, Saturday to Monday after next, and will be incommunicado during the bulk of it.

I am taking my Nook Color, which gives me limited Internet access, and if I can make that work wherever I'm going---which is, as usual, Gainesville to Atlanta to Charlotte to Atlanta to Gainesville to back home---I might be monitoring what's said here.

(I suppose I could try signing on through it, but I haven't figured out how yet, and won't during the trip---unless somebody says something really good and I'm really moved to repsond...)
 


Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
YOu probably won't read this in time but two things. Have fun or help whoever may need it, or get some good business done as the case might be.

Second: You can get to hatrack through your Nook, and at least a few other places. I've done it. But if you mean there won't be enough WiFi spots, well you can at least use it for what it was made for... reading.
 


Posted by Smaug (Member # 2807) on :
 
Responding will just drive me mad.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I'm back...just a few hours now...still recovering from it.

But I was able to access the internet while gone, and was able to read what was posted while I was gone. (Checking in here and looking it over was relatively quick...mainly I used it to catch some news and read some online comics.)

I did do some e-reading of my e-books, but, mostly, I read the old-fashioned way. More about that later, over in another forum.

Also I suppose someday I should try to post from my Nook Color, or whatever I'm using in the future...not just yet, though...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Addendum: my computer, or my wireless link, seems to have developed a serious case of the slows while I was gone. I'll have to adjourn, then clean out some stuff, then try again...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 

To Robert I have posted here using my Color Nook and I think so has someone else. I've done it only once though. That keyboard makes it a little bit more difficult to write something out. Of course anyone used to texting may be used to something similar.


But my main purpose for this post is a kinda of venting on another subject... okay definite venting.


I went to C. E. Mirphy's site to check on when he next book is due. One thing about her site that bugs me. She is slow to update the book section which is off to the side of her blog. Very nice looking and well done but she's like two books behind, at least with her Walker books. And there is no list for due date for her next one. I had to go to B&N to get the date.


Second, the big one, thing I want to vent about is that she is working on a side book in the Walker series. An adventure from the POV of another character. That's not bad, it will most probably be a very good book but she is doing something called a kickstarter campaign with it. Sounds like she has done it before with another series but She Does Not Explain what a kickstarter campaign is. Evidently it's raising money for the book but why and how much she needs is no where to be found. With more time I may join her forum so I can post comments and ask. She talks like everyone should know already and it seems from a few posts I read that her readers(followers?) do. But there should be some side link to a post that explains it to us newbies.

An aside here on her last post she tells of a writer she loves and how she "weeps" with how good he is at describing characters in one sentence. Even with this problem I described I almost feel that way about her writing. I despair ever being even close to being as good a story teller as she is.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
About twenty-four hours of sporadic work on my computer, trying to figure it out, with a big helping of computer ignorance. Clean out, defrag. Uninstall and reinstall, uninstall and reinstall...first the programs giving me trouble, then the programs I messed up removing the first programs. It seems a little faster but it's still slow.

Right now I'm zeroing in on my wireless connection...think I may have messed it up a month or so ago and it's getting worse.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've confirmed that it's my WiFi set up...I disabled it and pulled out the old cable and connected it up, and there's no problem, no case of the slows, with that...should'a done that in the first place...now I've got to figure out how to fix the wireless things...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Fixed it...I think. On a recommend from the help section of one of the websites, I switched a phone cable from Port Number One to Port Number Two on my high-speed box...my online speed seemed to improve, but I'm torn between "Hey, yeah, good!" and "This can't possibly have anything to do with my problem!"

I will see what happens...and, also, get some replacement cables sometime soon...
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
That was a washout...I'm now zeroing in on either (1) the gizmo I plugged into my computer to link it to a wireless system, or (2) the port I plug the gizmo into. I can replace the gizmo...but replacing the port is likely beyond my capabilities. I'll look into both.

Meanwhile, I'm back to cables...more as it develops.
 


Posted by Delli (Member # 9202) on :
 
The All Blacks won the World Cup! Madness in NZ.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Been awhile, of course, but...my computer problems continue unabated. I've given up on using the WiFi link (either of them), 'cause this message square about starting a protected network or somesuch appears. I can't delete it, can't end-program it, can't stop it...I can minimalize it, but it'll pop back sooner or later. And the speed over the WiFi link is still slow...

It might or might not be some feature of my software...a "hotfix" download failed to stop it...I plan to try something else when I get a chance. ("Something else" might involve gettting a whole new computer that can handle this sort of thing.)

And it's just between my computer and the link---my Nook Color still works fine with it.

Also it's just the online stuff that's affected---no known problems with any of my important files, far as I can tell.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hey, the new boards take you to the page you posted on, rather than Page One...
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Holidays are coming! You have an idea for thoughtful gift for your loved one? Think hard. You don't want to end up in the doghouse
 
Posted by Smaug (Member # 2807) on :
 
"My wife's worth more than a plugged penny."
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So the price is up to a full plugged nickel now?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
And so to wish everybody a happy Thanksgiving.
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
Happy Thanksgiving.
 
Posted by redux (Member # 9277) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by snapper:
Holidays are coming! You have an idea for thoughtful gift for your loved one? Think hard. You don't want to end up in the doghouse

He should have gotten her a Dyson [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Tentacles always come from Outside.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
..Except for when they come from the inside.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
We will not speak of such things.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Instead we will talk of shoes and ships and multi-headed crinoid snake monsters from beyond time and space
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There's this online comic I read, with this one character a girl, who sees tentacles every time she sees...well, never mind...
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I see giant monsters in trees and buildings and offshore oil-rigs and thin air...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I see things out of the corner of my eye that aren't there, like, say, someone walking towards me. What I think happens is this: I see something, and I fill in the blanks automatically before the full optical picture hits my brain.

This could be why people see ghosts---darn it!
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Or it could actually BE ghosts...or something.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
How's this for a writer's hideout?

Just ask for it for Christmas.


http://tinyurl.com/writershideout
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Okay finally have time for this.

At times I seem to be very out of it. An example

I recall when EMTs got their start after the Vietnam war when they were called paramedics. But somewhere along the way the name changed. I have no idea when or why--well I may have an idea or two on why-- but a quite a while back all of sudden I noticed in newspapers and elsewhere that paramedics where being called EMTs. I said to myself whoa I'm still calling them paramedics when half the country, at least, have changed their name.

I wondered who invented the term EMT and for how long had they been called that but probably will never find out.


Second example:

It took me reading the third article mentioning the term 9/11 that I realized they weren't talking about the emergency phone number. I was a little confused by the first two articles, but I read them very quickly and didn't take the time to examine everything stated. First thing I said to myself was oh yeah it did happen in the ninth month. It could have been only Newspapers but I had the feeling that most people were using the term except for me. I think the paper quoted someone as using that term.

So I will never know but who first used that term and how long had everyone been using it before I realized what it meant?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
And it's after Thanksgiving

So Merry Christmas to all.


If you don't celebrate it have a good day anyway... It is still Christmas whether you do or not after all.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Not sure who originated the acronym "EMT," but "emergency medical technician" essentially emerged when it was decided that emergency medicine was a legitimate sub-branch of medical practice---sometime in the 1970s, if the Wikipedia article was accurate.

As I recall, I heard "nine-eleven," referring to the date September 11th, 2001, before the end of the week, somewhere on the news. I think it caught on because of its similarity to "nine-one-one," the emergency phone number.

(Remember, too, that Americans also tend to refer to "the Fourth of July," rather than to "Independence Day," though no other holiday or regular day currently enjoys that exclusivity, far as I can tell...)
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
That may be a thing of "independence days" in general, given that Mexico's is referred to as Cinco de Mayo. Given that there are many "independence days" referring to a given one by it's date may be to help differentiate.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Sometimes I feel like a hat with no head.
Sometimes I fell like I'm actually dead.
Sometimes I wander endlessly through time.
Sometimes I wonder anomalously about mimes.
Sometimes I hope that there isn't a sword.
Sometimes I hop on my piles of words.
Sometimes I sleep like I'll never again.
Sometimes I slap the wrong side of the pin.
Sometimes I say sometimes too much.
And sometimes I notice that I forgot lunch.

This is one of those times.

I thought staying up all night writing a paper was the worse part of a college career, but I have found a deeper superlative in staying up all night not writing a paper.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Sometimes I snipe slake-moths with a +5 vorpal shock holy longbow of distance and disruption (yes I know neither vorpal nor disruption can be applied to a bow, but I'm just THAT special.)
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LDWriter2:


I recall when EMTs got their start after the Vietnam war when they were called paramedics. But somewhere along the way the name changed. I have no idea when or why--well I may have an idea or two on why-- but a quite a while back all of sudden I noticed in newspapers and elsewhere that paramedics where being called EMTs. I said to myself whoa I'm still calling them paramedics when half the country, at least, have changed their name.

I wondered who invented the term EMT and for how long had they been called that but probably will never find out.

An EMT, or Emergency Medical Technician, is different from a Paramedic. An EMT is the basic level of Emergency Medical Responder and does not get the same training as a Paramedic. Most Ambulances that respond to emergencies have both a Paramedic and an EMT on them. Basic Life Support units that are taking a person from one hospital to a next may only have two EMTs on the ambulance.

EMT gets 150(ish) hours of training Paramedics get 1200 to 1800 hours training.

The reason EMT has become standard it that most states have certifications as follows EMT-Basic and EMT-Paramedic. Some even have a EMT-Intermediate in the middle.

The news and TV has run with it, so now we all think of EMTs
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Evoc. That surprised me.

A few weeks ago I accidently got a short lesson in EMTs. Someone asked one how long they needed to go to school. The one who answered mentioned there were two types... which surprised me and someone else standing in line... but he called the other one by a different name, not EMT-paramedic. If I recall correctly the one that needed more education was an EMT and the shorter duration one was called something else with letters. I forget what. I might be remembering that backwards and the other one was called an EMTP.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
As last mentioned by me a month ago...today I plugged in my WiFi connector, whatever the hell it's called, and damned if the thing doesn't just work fine right now. The ways of computers are mysterious to me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Seems like the link lasts a couple of days and then gets slow. Back on the wire.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Whenever I've gone to Hotmail today, all I've gotten is a message saying the server might be experiencing a problem. I need my e-mail! I never realize how dependent I am on something until it's not there.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
My company's christmas party was friday night. They gave me quite a surprise and named me employee of the year. Totally unexpected. I was caught completely off guard so was unprepared for my speech. They knew I was a writer, therefore the were expecting something witty. This was my opening remarks.

quote:
...if I had any idea I would be standing up here to give a speech, I would have taken the time to research the internet and plagiarized a good one...
They treated me really well. I got a crystal trophy of a truck proclaiming me "Driver of the year", a leather jacket with my name on it, and a very nice bonus to boot.
I am still stunned. My boss said the vote from the 6 person committee was almost unanimous.

It is a very good night for me indeed.

[ December 11, 2011, 10:17 AM: Message edited by: snapper ]
 
Posted by Tiergan (Member # 7852) on :
 
Way to go!!!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Congrats snapper. Niiiice.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
They found Star Trek's Enterprise. Must be from one of their trips into their past. [Smile]


http://tinyurl.com/72f7ug3

check out the second picture that starts the video.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Congratulations, snapper. That's way cool.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Thanks, KD, LD, and Tiergan.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Coincidence in my life: evidence.

A couple of months back, I turned up these downloads by a group called Big Daddy---I had a couple of their CDs from years ago but their record company just recently put two older albums up on iTunes.

Their records specialize in then-contemporary songs, done up as 1950's style rock-and-roll. (Their last record that I know of was what might be called the "revisionist" version of Sgt. Pepper...but I digress.)

I burned a couple of CDs of 'em to play in my car, and found myself much taken with one called "The Safety Dance." It's raved up in the style of Chubby Checker's "The Twist"---it's a very funny effect for those who know 1950s music---but, for me, the Big Daddy version seems to have a power all its own.

Now, I remembered that there was a song sometime in the mid-1980s called "The Safety Dance," but I couldn't remember who did it or how it went. 1980s popular music wasn't my decade.

Before I could seek it out, I was going through my usual online reading this past Sunday---news sites, then a bunch of comic strips, then here. The old strip Dick Tracy---remember that one?---had a character quote a bit of lyric that I recognized as being from "The Safety Dance."

And so did someone else who wrote a comment, and this someone posted a link to a YouTube video on it---which wouldn't have occurred to me as a place to look, even though it should have. It's by a group that called itself Men Without Hats, and I certainly remembered the song once I heard it.

So you see the role coincidence plays in my life. I wanted to know more about a song I heard...and, thanks to coincidence, I do.

(Would it be too much to say I prefer the Big Daddy version?)
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
I've been watching a lot of Dr. Who recently, so to me coincidences make me paranoid. Recently I've been seeing the Ourobourous symbol all over the place and its been terrifying for me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I just read an essay this morning on Eddison's The Worm Ouroborous---Silverberg's column in Asimov's---a coincidence that you brought it up the day before?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I haven't been able to watch Dr Who but come to think of it I think I saw him the other day. He lives next door at the moment.

Actually, the guy next door seemed to be dressed in one of the Good Doctor's outfits.

Anyway, so I don't know about the Ourobourous symbol. Should I?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
It's a worm(sometimes snake) eating its own tail.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I've usually seen it as a snake, never seen it as a worm (not saying your wrong, just saying.)

It's a winged snake in Fullmetal Alchemist.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Heinlein featured The Worm Ouroborous as a filip in his story "All You Zombies"---which, come to think of it, I parodied in my Internet Fan Fiction days.

A snake is a worm---as is a dragon---reread your Tolkien.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Robert, more people might be familiar with the "wyrm" spelling.

In the anime Tiger & Bunny, a sword pierces the Ouroboros circle and something is written in the center. TV Tropes describes uses of this symbol in more shows.

Random musing: Though I don't feel like doing it, I'm putting up holiday decorations today. We have a fake tree from a friend--because we can't afford a real one this year--and I'm not sure that any family or friends will visit in the next couple weeks. It's hard to get into the spirit.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
aspirit I can understand why but we had to stop using real trees years ago because of out daughter was allergic to real pine. Not the same reason as you have but the results were the same. I would rather have a real tree but it still looks pretty.

And for the rest of it, sometimes it is hard to get into the spirit of Christmas for various reasons but I find lights are still nice to look at and can remind you of the Light whose birthday we celebrate on Christmas.


As to the snake I've seen it a time or two and I have seen dragons referred to as wyrms. Never as a worm unless someone was insulting the dragon... usually not a safe thing to do. Sometimes dragons have been called snakes however.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Wasted some time today checking out digital SLR cameras. My old SLR(over twenty years old) broke and we have some extra money so I can buy a new one but only on the lower priced cameras. By wasting time I meant my writing time.

Costco had one but they seem to have sold out. That's the third camera they sold out of before I could get to it. Two looked like SLRs but you couldn't change the lenses and they went for $290 and $319 so I'm not sure if they really were. The third one was five something and came with another lens. That price would have been pushing it for us.

Now Walmart seems to have the best deal on a Canon Rebel T3. Comes with only one lens but I still have the ones for the my old SLR if they connection is the same.

As a PS by accident, while looking for a camera bag on Walmart.com, I found a better deal with a T3. I get the camera, a nice bag($70 alone) and a 4GB card for only thirty dollars more than the one at Costco. The T3 at Costco is only one of three cameras that do not come with a card or a bag. Unless they forgot to list the card.

[ December 18, 2011, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: LDWriter2 ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I use an Olympus OM1 SLR camera that's thirty years old. And at this point in my life I usually shoot a roll of film whenever I'm on vacation, and another roll around Christmastime. I may dispense with the latter this year.

I figured I'd "go digital" when this one broke.

I do regret that I never bought other lenses for it...some zoom capability would be useful...but, though I could probably hunt up one online with a little work, I'd just as soon upgrade to digital at the same time.
 
Posted by Treamayne (Member # 9700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Coincidence in my life: evidence.

Before I could seek it out, I was going through my usual online reading this past Sunday---news sites, then a bunch of comic strips, then here. The old strip Dick Tracy---remember that one?---had a character quote a bit of lyric that I recognized as being from "The Safety Dance."


(Would it be too much to say I prefer the Big Daddy version?)

I Haven't heard the Big Daddy version, but when I was stationed in Japan we kind-of made that one of our theme songs. Except we changed Dance to Drink. I think the song makes even more sense that way:

We can drink if we want to
we can leave your friends behind,
if your friend don't drink
well then they don't drink and then their no friends of mine.

That and Alcohol by BNL were popular songs when we barbequed behind the Dorms on base.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"In Heaven, there is no beer / That's why we drink it here / and when we're all gone from here / our friends will be drinking all the beer."
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Small hatrack blackout. It was down what? 24 hours?
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
So it wasn't just my computer acting weird then.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The blackout prevented me from wishing everyone here a Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
To me it seemed more then 24 hours. Of course part of that was because the evening before it was Sloooowwww and half the time I tried I gave up before it would come up. All other sites were working normally so I figured it was Hatrack.

And this time while it was down I got an error message.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I might've pestered Kathleen about it, but it was coming up on Christmas, and, in the grand important scheme of things, I figured she had better things to do than to fuss with the boards. Meanwhile, I made do without.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Seems like this should go somewhere else because its about writing but ...

Had an interesting experience today while going over my mini stories. That's what I call a few I wrote with less then 500 words. I found a western, I forgot about, I hadn't finished. Actually this one is a flash not a mini for it comes in at 955 words.

So I finished it, revised it a bit, spell checked it and sent it out. Too late I realized most probably got in too much of a hurry, should have spent more time on nitpicks. I always miss some. I found some while revising it and even added a comma or two but should have gone over twice more at least.

Even though I happened to hit the magazine at the right time, they were in-between different issues. They were taking any genre and they wanted flash.

I had to look up my other western to see what my pen name is for that genre. And I have another western to revise but it's closer to 2,000 words if I recall correctly.

Even my minis are long... [Smile]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
And here's to wish the lot of you a happy and healthy 2012...may you all be literarily productive...
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Stop kneading my Shoggoth!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Is that a Yiddish word or a Dr. Seuss creature?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Didn't stay up last night even though it would have been less than forty-five minutes. Nothing on TV these days that I would want to watch for that, except 'till the last minutes.

But I woke up at one point and heard horns down the street. The paper ones they sell for New Years, it seemed my wife was awake so I asked her the time. Fifteen after twelve. She said why? I said, I could hear horns. She said and fireworks, and other noise makers. I thought I hadn't heard all that and slipped back asleep.

when I went to the bathroom at around 3:05 I could hear voices from down the street, probably the same distance as the horns.

I wouldn't mind going to a New Year eve party but no drinking, Friday night I heard of one New Years celebration I wouldn't mind going to. But more than likely would have been expensive. A good old fashion costume ball. A fund raiser for a local women's and children emergency home, and it would have taken six weeks to get a costume. Probably some drinking there but not as much as at at other parties.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
This morning got in my pick-up and changed the CD. No more Christmas music 'till next year. Gonna miss Mannheim Streamroller and a couple on the Casting Crowns Christmas CD, they do a great job. And just two weeks ago I discovered David Crowder Band Christmas Very powerful Coral of the Bells/Christmas Eve.

But since it was what was in my pick-up put in Petra(Love that guitar work) it's been a few weeks since I listened to my regular stuff. And I found a CD from three months ago still wrapped in plastic... Oops forgot about it.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I let the Christmas songs random-play through the five-thousand-plus songs on my iPod...good songs are good songs whether they're Christmas songs or not.

******

Shoggoths...how Lovecraftian...
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Tekeli-li!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Now you're being Poe-etic, too...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Rolls eyes
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Random is what we're going for, aren't we?
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I get it through Lovecraft more so than Poe.

Now stop tickling my night-gaunt! I don't care who started it!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Cthulhu fhtagn.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Tentacle.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
God, that hand! The window! The window!
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Wow Cthulhu's wikipedia entry has been truncated big time.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It was probably libelous...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Okay change of topic. Been meaning to type this out for a month or more.

I may have asked this question a while back, if so though I forget the answer so this could be a rerun for some you older hatrackers.

Anyway:
The internet ad for a certain new soda pop- Sun Drop- reminded me of this because they did a teaser.

A few years ago they had a bunch of ads on TV for a new candy bar that was suppose to show up on a certain date. Around the time of "Major Dad" and "Quantum Leap" .

It never showed up on that date. I sort of, kinda of recall an explanation from someone I knew online, but as I said up above I don't recall it.

I wonder if it's just not here but in other parts of the country or for some reason they decided not to do it at the last moment but wouldn't that open the door for false advertising? As I recall the ads were on quite a few TV shows. A lot of money to spend on nothing.

The candy bar was called Lion.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
As to a discussion we had last year about this time.


I saw my first two Statue or Liberties standing on street corners today.


So it's that time of year again.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
There is a Lion candy bar that they have in England...I know this because the grocery store I worked in/shall soon work in again has a small section of British food items, mostly candy, and one of the items is a candy bar called a Lion.

How exactly that bears into the advertising you mention I know not. But, it's probably all part of the conspiracy, and the Mi-Go are probably behind it.
 
Posted by Treamayne (Member # 9700) on :
 
Could it be this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Bar

http://www.amazon.com/Nestle-Lion-Bar-55g/dp/B000I4MBV4
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Couldn't find it on YouTube, just ads for the UK Lion candy bar.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Could be, even though the dates on Wikipedia do not fit.

Maybe someone sent one English ad to the US by mistake. It was the same one on every channel and every show that ran it.

I can still remember it.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
I saw my first two Statue or Liberties standing on street corners today.
I'll have to keep my eye out for 'em.

*****

Should'a added that you yourself should take a look on YouTube for it, 'cause you might have a better idea of how to define your search terms...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Thought the boards had gone down again this afternoon when I tried to get on, about 4:15 Eastern, and couldn't. Probably a momentary glitch, somewhere along the way...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
And speaking of books, here's an article for the most expensive book- Christian Science Monitor

http://tinyurl.com/83dcj58
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I saw one once, if it's the same edition---displayed in what's called the Samuel F. B. Morse Home in Poughkeepsie, New York, though in my parents's time they knew an eccentric family named Young who lived there. It wasn't open, just boxed up and pointed out to us on the tour. Wonder where it is now?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
By the way, something this morning knocked out all my saved log-on passwords---I had to log in here, and two other sites also---so, this time, I know it's not the boards. More logging-in as necessary.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
I saw my first two Statue or Liberties standing on street corners today.
"Mommy, Mommy, why are there so many Statue of Liberties on every street corner?"

"They're not the real Statue of Liberty, dear, they're just her helpers."
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Kindly instruct your Shoggoth to remove its pseudopod from my positronic underwear!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Did see two, count 'em, two Statue of Liberties out there while going around today. I don't think they look much like the real Statue of Liberty...it's the beards...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Here's a neat book video. In case you haven't seen it that is.

Not sure if the link will take you directly to the video or to the general video page.
Even though the books don't dance as much as advertised.

Dancing Books
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
That's gotta be one of the most elaborate stop-motion animation pieces I've ever seen...
 
Posted by AbbyG (Member # 9737) on :
 
fun video!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
And I got my new digital SLR canon REBEL T3 camera this evening--my time--, even though I can't do much while the battery is charging I've been reading the instruction book.

Man, got three books--well, two are kinda pamphlets-- and three CDs with it.

I may not be writing as much as I test it out and figure out some of the different things you can do with it. I need to have it all tested when me and my wife go to the coast in about two weeks.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Watch out for rugose tentacles and chitinous pincers.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Speaking of tentacles Guess who has a new book out about them?

In fact I saw two today about our new favorite monster.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Beware the frumious bandersnatch!
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Are you talking about China Mieville, LD?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Rats, forget the title of each book. One is an anthology and not sure about the other one. Anyway, both have Cthulhu in the title.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The guy must have his own agent.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Under his control I would assume.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
The other day I saw five Liberties dancing around one intersection. I think they were all wearing red crowns instead of the blue ones.

And further down there was one giving out those red crowns.

Personally I miss the Uncle Sam-s but I assume they didn't go over with the public.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Hmm two new Cthulhu related books I haven't heard of...odd.

But please, instruct your Yithian to keep it's rugose pincers away from my marmoset.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
How many Statues of Liberty can dance on the head of a pin?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
How many Statues of Liberty can dance on the head of a pin?

Depends on the size of the pin.

I think they should have dancing Cthulhus to celebrate tax season, it seems far more appropriate than lady liberty.

Okay, so is it Statue of Liberties or Statues of Liberty?
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I'd say the second.

and, I agree about Cthulhu
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Maybe it's Statue of the Libertines...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
An interesting find that has nothing to do with statues. [Smile]


Ancient popcorn
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Popcorn in Ancient Peru, huh? Wonder what movies they watched while eating it...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Maybe the watched statues running around at their intersections.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Llamas
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
"Devil" Llamas that can talk?


Hmm, maybe we can all write a story about Llamas. [Smile]
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
Lorenzo Lamas?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hey you Cthulhu lovers check this one out.

http://www.freewebs.com/batglynn
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"Danger, Will Robinson, danger!"

It had to be said...for, I gather, Dick Tufeld, the voice of the Robot from "Lost in Space," died recently...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Doofenshmirtz 1: Do Lamas weird you out?
Doofenshmirtz 2: Yeah, are they camels or sheep?
Doofenshmirtz 1: No, no, I meant Lorenzo.
Doofenshmirtz 2: Oh yeah---
Together: He played Meep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQr_IA3fwU
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
LD, have you actually read any Lovecraft? If not, you must, immediately. Most of his stuff can be found online for free these days.
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pyre Dynasty:
Doofenshmirtz 1: Do Lamas weird you out?
Doofenshmirtz 2: Yeah, are they camels or sheep?
Doofenshmirtz 1: No, no, I meant Lorenzo.
Doofenshmirtz 2: Oh yeah---
Together: He played Meep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQr_IA3fwU

I can watch Phineas and Ferb over and over. It always keeps me entertained.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
LD, have you actually read any Lovecraft? If not, you must, immediately. Most of his stuff can be found online for free these days.
I believe I have somewhere along the line. And I have read something about Cithulho. Come to think of it it may have been in a UF anthology I read last year.


Speaking of Llamas, Isn't there a girl's name that starts with Ll?
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Well, there's La Llorona, the weeping woman ghost of various Latin country's folklore.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Most of his stuff can be found online for free these days.

That's because it lapsed into public domain five years ago...

*****

Several in Welsh and Catalan, but the only really well-known ones are male: Lloyd and Llewellyn.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Should'a posted the link to the website I cribbed 'em offa:

http://www.behindthename.com/

...which somebody told me about while here at Hatrack, years ago.
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Should'a posted the link to the website I cribbed 'em offa:

http://www.behindthename.com/

...which somebody told me about while here at Hatrack, years ago.

This is very useful sight when I am stuck on a character name or if I want a name with a special meaning.

I also used the random name generator when I had trouble thinking of a middle name for my middle child. I've been using it for so man years now.
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
After I posted that I spent an hour watching their songs in Japanese.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Looked at the "P & F" clip Pyre Dynasty posted...actually, I never much cared for the show, for some reason...too clever by half for my tastes, I think...but I think I got every reference in the clip, which at least was funny...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Went to Pismo Beach with my wife this weekend. A very nice beach area here in Cailf. for those who don't live in in this state.

A major freeway goes through it dividing the city in half. I say city but there's at least four smaller towns right next to each other. Pismo is just the most well known and has the most beach front hotels. A lot are older, as are most of the houses. On the beach side of the highway that is. On the other side is a mountain and along the side are hundreds of large houses. Some are older--50+ but by the looks I would think quite a few were built in the last twenty years.

This is our eighth year going there, our church has a couple's retreat once a year there, and so we have explored it somewhat. Right next to Pismo proper, is Shell Beach one of those smaller towns I referenced. This one seems to be made up mostly of houses, a few businesses, a couple really fine hotels but as I said mostly houses. Including an English cottage and a mini mansion both set right above the beach. I mean you take a step out the back door and you fall to the beach below-- a good thirty feet.

Oh, and the mountains around Pismo are pasture land with few trees, but there is a forest not that far back and further on.


I said all that to say that I think it's a perfect setting for a Urban Fantasy series. You got everything; great settings--including that cottage--eccentrics, mountains and the ocean, storms, people coming and going all the time. It's not as urban as New York or Chicago-- no buildings over three stories-- and spread out but you got everything else a city has.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I guess that's why I usually say "modern fantasy" rather than "urban" since to me "urban" indicates a big-city type environment specifically...and at the end of the day, to me the main difference between "urban/modern" fantasy and any other kind is simply that it's set in modern times...

Did you see Rufus Sewell or Jennifer Connelly on Shell Beach?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We discussed "urban fantasy" a couple months back:

http://www.hatrack.com/cgi-bin/ubbwriters/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=006995;p=0&r=nfx
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Sometimes fiction needs to be better than real life--

"Sloppier Than Fiction"
http://xkcd.com/1006/
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
A PS to my note.

I thought about my note today and I thought some may get the wrong idea when I said mini mansion since that is a type of house, at least around here.

I should have said mini estate. It's been two years since we took a look but as I recall there is a wall around the place with a wrought iron gate just like you would see around a full estate. There's no yard or very little because brick work and ceramics take up what yard there would have been. At least from what I can see through the gate. There is a small garden or two. A drive way that might be long enough to park six cars, maybe ten. A fancy looking house too.

The rest of the town looks mixed. At least half are older house built right after WWII from the looks: small, two bedroom, one bath with small living rooms. Some look to be longer than wide so they might have three bedrooms. The other half-or so- are newer two story houses with what are probably four bedrooms and two to two and a half baths. A couple of these have nice size living rooms and kitchens. My wife checked on three of them that had for sale signs up. I think one was over was million but all were upper hundred thousands for sure.

We didn't go through Shell beach this time. But it does have a couple of nice parks with great views and even though we have never found them supposedly dinosaur eggs are somewhere around or were found that is. and there are two smaller beaches including a tiny one with black and white sand. That one as rocks in the sea but when we were there one young woman went swimming. It looks like the water gets deep very very fast and as I said you can see huge rocks under the water but she obviously didn't mind.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
As to Urban Fantasy, I used to call it modern magic users tales until I found that name. Most of the time the action does take place in cities but not always. In this case it could almost be both. In the whole area there are plenty of people with all the big name stores and some mom and pops. And probably the same type of political happenings as in the big cities. Further down I think there are some taller buildings but still short compared to other places. Even short for our down town. We have maybe half a dozen to a dozen buildings that are ten plus stories. I'm not sure but the tallest is probably between twenty and twenty-five stories.

I've thought about doing a "Rural" fantasy since most of the area around is here is farming. I think a good Mage could be at home around here. He would have to travel to different small towns and but that's doable.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
New note---don't let me stop the ongoing discussions.

Odd thing with my Nook Color. (I've had it for over six months so it's pass being my "new" Nook Color.) The other day, it downloaded some kind of update---which changed how some of the on- and off-screen controls operated. I didn't know it would (or could) do this.

I figured things out soon enough...but, also, it seems to have developed a problem downloading certain sites (including this one). If the little green bar at the top is any guide, it downloads just so far and then stalls out.

It could be something on some other point along the line...what I don't know about computers and such could fill a manual...but it could be the download, too...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hey I have the same update and I am typing this on my nook. Try deleting cookies and the cache. They are somewhere around but I forget how to get to them.

Harder to type with one finger on thid keyboard.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Thought of something after I signed off. Sometimes I have problems getting on or going from one page to another. On my desk computer. It goes only so far and sits. I go to another site and come back and it usually works.


But when I went online with my nook, it was fast. Funny thing though, it had this reply box even before I signed on.

I got to try answering my E-mail on my nook now. Before the keyboard wouldn't come up so there was no way to type anything even though all the buttons worked. Hopefully they added that to the update even though I may not use it much.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, whatever was wrong with it yesterday was working today...I was able to access everything I wanted without trouble, the sites I wanted downloading complete and readable.

Inspired by LDWriter2's comments above, which I accessed and read through my Nook Color, I then tried accessing my own online account. I managed to find my mail and look at some of it, but, for the moment, decided not to procede further. It's different from what I have here on my computer, and, I suppose, if I do it again---likely---I'll have to learn as I go, or find a guide...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
They are two guides that came with the Nook. One is a short manual. And you can get videos that help show you how to operate the Nook.

Not sure if any of them talk about E-mail though.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The connection went bad again yesterday afternoon...but, this time, I know why. My phones went in and out in the afternoon, no dial tone for awhile, no way to call out...and, since my high-speed connection is linked to my phones, I can assume when the phones went out, the WiFi went out, too...

Of course I read the manual that was on the Nook...but I wonder, if the way to work it changed, if the manual changed too, and if I should reread it to see...but I was also working AOL's thing, which was different from the AOL thing I work here...
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Darn that groundhog. Oh, and we're supposed to get as much as 18 inches of snow in Denver over the next two days. I am so done with winter.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The media would have us believe it's a warmer winter...but they judge things by the way they are around New York City...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
We have had hardly any snow this year, we usually get quite a bit so it's making people terribly irritable. Even the people who spend all winter complaining about the snow have this kind of reverse SAD. You people are stealing all of our snow and I demand that we have it back. Get yourself some big trucks and planes and cart it over here, NOW!
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Please, come and take all you want. (Although looking outside at the clear skies right now, it's hard to believe we'll have a foot of snow on the ground tomorrow.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's colder here than most winters, but no snow...it rarely snows here in southern Florida...it's snowed three times in the thirty-plus years since I moved down here.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
For the record, it's been snowing in Denver for 40 hours now, but we're almost at the end. The storm is expected to blow out in the next couple of hours.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I want snow. Snow is my friend.

Robert, why in the name of all that's geographicaly unsound would you want to live in South Florida?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Who says he wants to live there?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was shanghaied here by my parents when I was seventeen...now I stay for the job and the taxes.

*****

quote:
Odd thing with my Nook Color...the other day, it downloaded some kind of update---which changed how some of the on- and off-screen controls operated. I didn't know it would (or could) do this.
This morning, the start controls on my computer were a different color than they were yesterday...updates like this are profoundly alienating...
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I was born there but my parents, thank Elbesem, got us out when I was 13. It was nice when they were kids but when I left it was already...urg best not to think about it...and its only gotten worse...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's raining here right now...I can hear it on my skylight...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Addendum to the "different colors" note: this morning, everything was back to the way they were.
 
Posted by Treamayne (Member # 9700) on :
 
It's been snowing off and on in Afghanistan. I normally don't mind snow (being from Detroit) but here is annoying. The soil has a high clay concentration so we'll get 6-8", it'll start melting, but doesn't absorb well so each night everything is iced solid and each day all teh roads are a slushy-muddy mess until we get another 6-8" of snow.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Kindly remove your elephant from Steerpike's monkey!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Interesting turn of phrase...authentic Peake? or a paraphrase?
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Well, I don't think the poor monkey could survive an elephant. It made it past the axe, but an elephant would just be too much. That's what makes it funny.

For some reason I've developed a fixation on Steerpike's monkey.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Man, haven't been this sick in years, like decades, man.

Usually, I get a small case of the flu if I get it at all. A few days ago I thought it would be good to get a little sick and stay home from work to get some writing done, but second thought said if I was bad enough to stay home I wouldn't be able to work... I was right.

The other night I was soo achy and tired. I skipped work yesterday and slept almost all day. Today was better, I went to work and even felt better as the day went on but just before dinner my energy levels went south. I feel ready for bed and it only seven here.

I ate only half of what I usually eat but I need to stay long enough to drink some hot tea and suck on one more Coldease.

When I got home from work I felt good enough to do some writing with a few extra minutes I had. I did good for that twenty or so minutes, in fact I did good at writing at work to. But I won't be doing any more tonight. Well, possibly a tiny bit since I need to stay up an hour longer at least.

Nose isn't dripping that badly but lets not talk about a small cough that has gotten a little bigger.

Something is going around here that hits people differently, sometimes lasting up to three weeks. All the old flues of the past: Russian, Swine, Asian etc, , missed me or I just got small cases of them. Even last year's flu missed me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The claim in my family is that we never get the flu---possible, but I'm dubious. I can't say I've ever had the flu, of any variety---never had the shots, either. But I can't say I've never had the flu, either.

However, every six-months-to-a-year, I'm laid low by colds, the last one being three weeks ago (see some of my posts in the recent "Did You Write?" threads), the previous one being the beginning of last July. Aftereffects sometimes linger for months, usually a cough...these last two times, I was all better in a week or so.

What symptoms you have suggest a cold. Which proves nothing. Either way, drink plenty of fluids, keep up with the over-the-counter cold remedies (like Coldease) to ease symptoms, and get plenty of rest...if writing is too exhausting, don't do any of that.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I still get colds and flues mixed but up but a couple of years ago I decided that if I ache it's the flu. The flu is suppose to be worse than a cold after all.

But I forgot to mention the mucus running down the back of my throat.

And if I get a cough it can last for two months or more. It's always been that way. I've been to the Doctor about it and even though he had my chest X-rayed once he found nothing.

And thinking, including writing, seems to have become work.

[ February 11, 2012, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: LDWriter2 ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
...even though he had my chest X-rayed once he found nothing.
Not even heart, lungs, and ribs?
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Having spent the day shopping for a bed (I've been sleeping on the ground for over a year, it's been nice) I really need to write a story about torturing salesmen. Perhaps have a serial killer who gets set off by the word Cadillac. My Grandma had a Cadillac, I wasn't too impressed by it.

I know the power game, I play it all the time. Your feeble attempts at it only serve to show me what a weak and desperate man you are. I pity you, but not enough to buy a lousy mattress for double what its worth.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
When you do get a good bed, after a year of sleeping on the ground, don't be surprised if it's not that comfortable to you right away...
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
quote:
Not even heart, lungs, and ribs?
Nope, just an N.O. portal out of which giant robots occasionally emerge.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I just read a story about someone, or robot etc, with a portal inside of them. Rats can't recall the details though. Maybe it was a dream.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Did you get hit in the chest with a left-handed lawnmower motor powered bass guitar by a crazy alien lady who'd just run you over with her Vespa?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So where were the boards these past couple of days? I saw they were up last night, but I was on my Nook Color and couldn't post anything...

I made due...but today is a busy day and I haven't time to, say, post the Saga of My Renewing My Driver's Licence, or talk about how J. K. Rowling is writing an adult novel...I'll just say "Hi!" and move on.


*****

Hi!
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Spam was still being generated from the forum, somehow, so they shut it down to see if they could fix the problem. I hope the fact that it's up again means they actually fixed it.

If it suddenly disappears again, however, it probably means they couldn't fix it and have taken more drastic measures like moving it piecemeal to another server and/or to different software--which could mean it would be down for a week or more. <shudder!>
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ah!
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I think Steerpike's monkey is behind it all.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Who ever is behind it I beat them. [Smile]

I wrote a new story while the forum was down. Decided I needed a new fantasy for Lightspeed, came up with the first line and away I went. 3,200 some words. I may cut some of that. You may see the first 13 lines of (Hand over mouth) Mumble, Fumble, Blumble on F&F for Stories unless I decide to send it to WotF next time. Which is why my hand was over my mouth when I said the Title.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I think Steerpike's monkey has taken up permanent residence on top of your head, LD.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Give a guy some Mervyn Peake, and he goes all Gormenghastly on us...
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Indeed. Sometimes I even talk like Dr. Prunesquallor, by all that's vocal.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Okay, I have no idea whom you guys are talking like.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Look up Mervyn Peake and/or Gormenghast. Then read the books, by all that's fictional.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Keeping putting this off for a time when a spare minute or three but I finally decided to post it.

Back in Jan and the wife and I went to Pismo we walked the beach. Not at all unusual but under the pier along with the usual Beach goers and Tweeny surfers was a young woman not dressed for the beach.

I'm afraid I stayed at her a bit longer than I should have. Not only because she wasn't dressed for the beach but she was dressed like a character out of a one of the UF novels I read and write. She wore what seems to be the typical Mage-wizard outfit. Full length jacket, Usually it's leather and hers was a sweater but still. And she leaned back against one of the thick pier support beams. Showing that her attitude was right also.

My mind wanted to take off with why she was there and who she was in a UF world. Who knows I may just use that scene sometime... it would make a great opening. But my mind slipped back to why I was there and forgot about her for a while.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Had some problems yesterday. This site---and only this site---took so long to load that I couldn't work with it. (Time was a little short and I had some things to do.)

But it seems to be working fine now...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I have had slow days like that a couple of times.

Saturday though it wouldn't come up at all. I got that error message. Thought they might trying to fix that spam-hacker problem so it would down for days but it was back up that evening.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, everything else worked fine---well, everything other site I went to worked. I tried getting at this site through my Nook Color, which worked, so I was able to take a look-see, but I wasn't in a position to post anything with that, though I'm sure I could.

Still pondering that new computer, though the over-the-counter stuff I've looked at 'round here doesn't seem promising. (My father bought a new one recently, a five-hundred-dollar HP from WalMart...but then needed a new printer as his old one (my original HP printer, in fact, about twelve years old) couldn't be connected up.)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
So does this article at Slideshow through Yahoo News remind anyone of a certain movie?

http://tinyurl.com/89pesq4

And did he say spiders dropping on his head??!!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Interesting show tonight.

I was sitting at a redlight at a fairly busy intersection when right opposite of me a homeless guy with a bike and little trailer stopped for a moment at the intersection. Guys on bikes like that have been popping up all over the place the past year. Can go further collecting cans and such plus can carry more of them. Anyway, This guy took what looked like a six to eight inch cross out. Or he may have had it all along, so he started to show it the people in cars driving by. I wondered if this was a new technique to get people to give. He's a Christian -supposedly- so you should give to him. But he kept showing it to the cars. After a few moments he started to slowly pedal across the intersection. He had the green so no problem there but he kept showing the cross to every car. He pretty much ignored two pedestrians but he turned around to show the cross to the cars waiting for the green then turned back to ones driving by him.

So he thought the cars were were filled with vampires or demons???
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
LD, he might have thought the cars were demons, and I'm not joking.

I've started looking at baby supplies for my registry. I thought it would be fun, but now I understand that a freak-ton of research is needed just so that I decide what to ask for. Sure, sure, the crib should be made of non-toxic materials, and it's generally a good idea to wait until after birth to buy feeding bottles. But what shape of baby tub is the easiest to work with? What is the difference between all those car seats? And do infants really need shoes? Ahhh...I think I need my sister.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I'd ditch the whole crib thing personally, but I know I am (supposedly) in the minority.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Big PS on homeless man.


Today I learned I way misinterrupted what he was doing. Someone who knows the guy and who was a lot closer to him than I was said he was blessing everyone. I didn't hear anything and must not have been close enough to see his lips moving but this person said he was blessing everyone. Except one guy who evidently didn't like the blessing.


As to cribs, it seems like it wasn't that hard for us to decide. And I don't recall more than a couple baby tubs, has that changed?

But you can go overboard with research and concern too. I've heard of parents who have.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Likely Overrated??!!

Asteroid hit.

Sideshow at YahooNews.

http://tinyurl.com/Likelyoverrated
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Re: back a couple of pages, something I should'a posted a couple of days ago when I saw it...remember the dancing Statue of Liberties / entry-level jobs for tax preparation firms we talked about? Well, last Friday, I finally saw one that was actually a woman...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Rats, can't write... well actually I can write a quarter or less.


We are getting a new computer. The old one is at the store where they will be transferring all the data on the old to the new one. I'll be getting both tomorrow afternoon.


I'm using the laptop to get online but I won't be able to work on chapter two of Two Struggles or revise the stories I wanted to revise, which includes finishing up the one for Q2.

I could start a new one--an opening line for a UF story with dragons popped into my head today-- and I can start revising those ten stories I did inspired by by the Bookend challenge. Work on "Stone Within" or the one story I had thought about doing for Q3, but that's about it.

The new computer is a Mac mini... had to get a monitor for it and a CD drive-burner but at least we can use the old keyboard and mouse. But be nice to have a new word processor-which I have to buy online- and the latest in iTunes and iPhoto even though those weren't that old. I couldn't download any more updates for those because the new updates are designed for a computer with different hardware not to mention new and improved OS.

Man is that CD player-burner thin. Barely longer and wider than a CD.

Need to get out of here so I can do that writing. I can at least start that UF dragon tale.

[ March 24, 2012, 11:22 PM: Message edited by: LDWriter2 ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
A PS here

Man, it's amazing how many times I've used the wrong keyboard.

Right now I have the laptop set up where the desk computer usually is. The desk's keyboard is right below it on on a pull out. I keep typing on the desk's keyboard and wondering why nothing is appearing on the laptop.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was going to post "chirp chirp" on this thread tomorrow, if somebody didn't say something before that.

On the related topic of saving one's files...I downloaded, or think I downloaded, the contents of my documents file onto something called a 32 GB Flash Drive. Most of you would know better than I just what that is. And I don't know if I succeeded---I have nothing to check it and see right now---but I hope it did, and if my computer screws up in the immediate future all I've lost are a few things I worked on in the last few days. (There is a lot of stuff in the file I could do without, but I saved it all anyway, this time around.)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I have been using Flash drives as back up since they came out. Yeah, I have what might be one of the original ones.

Now I have four. One's lost though. It has to be in the house but not anywhere I usually keep it. I wonder if my wife put it somewhere when she had a cleaning surge.

It saves all types if data. Pictures, files, music probably even video. I've used one to transfer songs and pictures from my desk top to my laptop. And stories from the laptop to the desk top.

You can open the drive just like any memory device and double check what's on it. I do that now and then to make sure I have a copy or that a file I had already was replaced when I added to it.

I find them fascinating. That little chip has more memory than my original computer. And I could get one with more memory than my desk computer.

And you can carry one with you easy so you always have a back up off campus. I had one on my key ring but the plastic end broke off one day. Good thing I heard the drive hit the pavement. I no longer carry one like that even though I could.


BTW no damage to the drive.

PS originally sometimes they were called thumb drives because they were thumb size. Took me a while even after I bought one to remember what they were called.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Found this on my Stumble upon.

Ruin

It's an eight minute short movie set in an apocalyptic future. Very cool. Give it a peak.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Okay, new computer all set up. Had to go buy a different adapter but everything works as it should. Except for our flat scanner. May have download a driver for it but we our printer has a scanner so we may not need it.

Got pages which is a good thing. I tried opening my old word processor's files and got a message saying it can't open that WP anymore.

But I have figured out if I can put headers on a pages file. It will open the old WP's files but no headers.

Monitor is wider now-- it does make a difference. Computer is faster. The old computer was suppose to be fast but this opens files-even online- even faster.

CD drive works but I had a problem. I put in a music ÇD to test it but it kept kicking it back out. Finally got the idea that it was upside down... wonder why they would want us to place CDs in upside down. Oops. it wasn't the CD that was upside down.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
PS here.

I told someone at work about my problems with pages and no header. He said I should change the View. I did sure enough everything showed as it was suppose to, it even looks closer to what I'm used to with my old WP which is good for me.

One thing though, I will still have to make new WP copies of most of my old files especially if I want to add or delete something. That will take some time.

[ March 27, 2012, 12:55 AM: Message edited by: LDWriter2 ]
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I'm not a Mac user. I jumped ship from Windows to Linux some time ago. But you intrigue me. Why would you need to make new copies? What word processor are you using? and what format? You have puzzled me greatly.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I was using Appleworks. Very old but still did what I needed done.. mostly. But my new computer won't open appleworks files but when I open them with pages it creates a new pages' version and gives me the chance to save it or not. If I just wanted to read or print them it wouldn't matter I can not save it, but since I will be making changes with many of the stories I will need to save the changes thus creating a new file.

If that doesn't make sense I will give it another try.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Does Appleworks have a Save-as option? If so, can you save as an RTF file? I thought every word processor in the world could could open and export that file format. It's the de facto standard for text interchange, and has been for years.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So far my files have survived one computer, then another, and one version of Microsoft Works after another...even some from my old one-lung word processor could be opened and pasted into Works...but it worries me.

I used to routinely save everything on disks, but they've gotten hard to find these days and for the past couple of years I've saved everything on the computer itself---which was why I hoped getting and saving on that flash drive actually works.

(I've know some of you don't much like Microsoft Works, and there are better word processing programs out there, better for writers...but it, ahem, "works" for me---except for the occasional scrambled not-backed-up file, it's been all right so far.)
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Use what you are most comfortable with. That's my policy. I personally love to do my early drafts on RoughDraft, then bring them into Word for final formatting. Sometimes LibreOffice if I am in the mood to be whimsical.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I tried Word early on, but, except for short things, it wasn't much use to me. (I've used it to edit things after I've put them in some other format.)

The depths of my ignorance of comptuers can be appalling...when I bought my first one, I was so ignorant of computers that I went shopping for word processing program software, completely unaware that my comptuer came with some already. I've learned a little more since then, but you could fill a manual with what I don't know about computers...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
First I need someone I can Email a file to for a test.

pages has an export feature-so far no save as- but when I make a .rtf copy and open it I get one page and no headers. I mean the story has no page breaks. I would like to send it to someone and see if they get the same thing or not.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Email it to me.
 
Posted by redux (Member # 9277) on :
 
Pet peeve of the day - people who don't look both ways before crossing the street and think crosswalks have some sort of magical protective barrier.
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
The penguins! Sweet Astea, the giant eyeless albino penguins! They steal my sanity!
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
Salt makes for a poor dinner.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Suger on top of dirt is worse.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Alas, I am not the proud new owner of $640 million. This means I must go to work tomorrow.
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LDWriter2:
Suger on top of dirt is worse.

Word.

@Jennifer

You should be proud of your 300 000 000 $.

Overachiever. [Razz]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
When you mix a gallon of the finest vanilla ice cream you can buy with a gallon of well-known word beginning with "s", what do you think the result will taste more like?

*****

Would've bought some tickets for the big jackpot, but Mega Millions isn't available in Florida, I gather.

*****

quote:
The penguins! Sweet Astea, the giant eyeless albino penguins! They steal my sanity!
And a merry Tekeli-li! to all!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Foste do you mean I should have used the word word or is that a subtle hint it should have been worst?

Now worst is a word I hardly ever see anymore, one assistant editor got after me for not using it but the only people I've seen use it is her and Dean Wesley Smith.

Anyway the sugar and dirt thing... I don't know from personal experience but I've heard the story behind it.
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
Word as in I agree. [Wink]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Oh?

Okay,

must be too subtle for me. [Smile]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Word up...it's slang, maybe current slang.

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/word
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
That's good to know. I can have one of my MCs say it. [Smile]

Speaking of that yes it would be one certain MC. The others don't seem to be ones who would talk so much in current slang... well maybe one more.

Hmm, one person in the area of the country I live uses it. [Cool]

But I need to check on that at work some of the new guys are more into some of the newer stuff than those that have been there awhile... even if they are about the same age.

That includes bumping fists--- technically it would touching fists but the other way sounds better. [Smile]
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LDWriter2:

That includes bumping fists--- technically it would touching fists but the other way sounds better. [Smile]

Also known as "brofist" [Smile]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
So I assume girls don't do it? Or only the tough ones?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Oh, I must say that David Weber also uses Worst or one of his characters does anyway. [Smile]

So that makes three people.
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
I haven't seen girls brofisting, but as far as I know it shouldn't be exclusive to guys. At least if the girl in question is a bit of a tomboy.
 
Posted by Shaygirl (Member # 9761) on :
 
Girls brofist.
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Shaygirl:
Girls brofist.

Oh, yeah! Here ya go shaygirl! [Big Grin]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/072/542/tumblr_ksczlyQbeU1qzx4k0o1_500.jpg?1318992465
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Beats those weird elaborate handshaking we used to do in the 1970s...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Robert they still have them. I've seen a couple among the group who does the brofist.


But maybe I can have my Rav-punker MC execute one of those at the end when she wins. She is rather tough.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I said "we," meaning "my generation," 'cause I could never master all the details of doing it.

*****

Anybody besides me poke through the 1940 US Census records, released yesterday? Just this morning, I was able to locate my father and his family...I hope to locate other relatives once I get more information about addresses and names.

But I couldn't get a good printout of it! By roundabout ways, I got a fairly good copy of about half the record (names and ages), but I'd like to be able to print it all. I could look at it all, of course...
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
That's what the snipping tool is for. Or if your computer is older print screen.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Couldn't figure out how to use it...
 
Posted by redux (Member # 9277) on :
 
If you love Shadowrun and miss it:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613260297/shadowrun-returns
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I just bought the Blu-Ray edition of A Night to Remember---one of my all-time favorite movies, maybe my favorite of all time---and watched it through.

To my surprise, I found a brief snippet on the end of one scene towards the end of the film, about fifteen seconds of footage---and I swear, it wasn't in any previous print of the movie I've seen or bought. I see how it fits in---and it explains an odd reference a couple of seconds before that always puzzled me.

It's not hard to see why it was cut---for its era, it's pretty rough stuff, though not for the crowd that loved the Kate and Leo Titanic.

Now I have to dig out some of my old versions to check for sure. I went all the way from recorded off-the-air through laserdisc and DVD and a stop at a CD-ROM version. It could have been in one of the latter ones...but I don't think it's something I'd miss if it was...
 
Posted by Wordcaster (Member # 9183) on :
 
Got out of work early today, my twin boys are still napping, and had some time at the computer. Good to check up with the Hatrack crowd.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, the scene in question definitely isn't on the DVD print---it and the Blu-Ray are both Criterion Collection issues, by the way---and, as my videotape player and laserdisc player aren't hooked up to anything, I'll pass on checking them out. (Don't know where that CD-ROM version is---probably around, but if I have to load something onto my computer to make it work (I forget whether I did), I'll pass.) Still a little puzzled as to why this little bit of extra was released now, and not on other, earlier, home video issues...

Also picked up that box set of Casablanca that's just out---three-disc, Blu-Ray, Blu-Ray extras, DVD of just the movie---and I may take a look at it later today.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I've heard that many times they will re-add cut scenes later. So maybe someone just remembered that one or had some extra room or some such.

And Wordcaster I hope you did some writing too. [Smile]
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
Inhale this, but do not touch.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
As in the abovementioned...I managed to locate my mother and her family on the 1940 census (and spotted several people I knew besides)...but the printout expierence was even weirder. This time, using their "print" link, I got a decent printout of the whole thing (if a bit small)---but the experience froze my computer (or at least my AOL program). A second try at producing someting printed a little larger (landscape, not portrait) produced a blurry two-page printout---and also froze things up.

I've got other relatives to look up...besides, I may do some poking around for the famous and semi-famous. For example, I know where several SF writers lived in 1940, and I'd like to see what they said to the census takers. (Mark Twain listed his occupation as "day laborer.")

I've thought of someone to look up right now, right in my home county...
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
I went to my local public library today looking for back issues of Analog, only to find out they stopped carrying at the start of this year. Sad.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Gee...none of the libraries I used to frequent, school libraries, and the public ones up to about ten years ago, ever carried Analog...
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Up until January, the library closest to my house carried Analog, Asimov's and F&SF. The librarian told me they had to cut $3,000 from the budget this year and some of that came from magazine subscriptions. Analog was among the casualties.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Not surprised...but your library still has the back issues, right? Particularly in my high school library, I had lots of fun looking through back issues of things...none of 'em were SF magazines, though. (It was fun to find something like, say, Heinlein's first appearance in The Saturday Evening Post...though, in my haste and SF-orientation, I probably passed over a lot of other good things...)
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
No back issues. They got tossed when the subscription was canceled, which seems like a horrible waste. I would have happily taken them off the library's hands.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Down here, they organize library sales---great things, where I acquired things like a Scott's stamp catalog and a Jane's ships catalog, obsolete things, but pricey when buying new and really cheap when bought this way---though I don't recall offhand seeing any magazines of any kind among them.

Check with your library...there may be something you can salvage from their next sale...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Today is the one hundredth anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic---the ship struck an iceberg on the fourteenth and foundered on the fifteenth.

It's also the one-hundred-forty-seventh anniversary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. He was shot on the fourteenth and died on the fifteenth.

Perhaps for this reason, this is also the traditional date by which Americans are expected to turn in their tax returns and pay up...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Except for this year of course... [Smile]


Oh and it looks this year we are getting some money back from the Fed instead of paying. Looks like we finally got what they take out each week right.

On side personal note I'm not jealous of those way above me, I'm jealous of those on my level and below who somehow get thousands of dollars back each year. We never got that much back.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Oh and it looks this year we are getting some money back from the Fed instead of paying.
I used to like getting a tax refund check every year, till it dawned on me I was just getting my own money back, and not near as much as I paid in.

Or did I say that last year, too? Well, it still applies...
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
quote:
I'm jealous of those on my level and below who somehow get thousands of dollars back each year. We never got that much back.
Anyone getting that much back either has the wrong deductions or likes loaning money to the federal government (which isn't bad, really).

Random Musing: Training in martial arts while pregnant seems to be harder on classmates than on the pregnant woman. Although, some of the kids in class are still confused about why I can't spar them or test for the next belt level this year. At least we've finally convinced them that my husband won't stop teaching when the baby is born.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Getting back a few dollars is better than paying one to two hundred.


And one or two, of the ones I know, of those getting so much back are getting the earned income extra amount. As I said me and my wife never got that even when I was the only one working way back when.

But a couple of others say they have the usual deductions but they still seem to get way more money back.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Training in martial arts while pregnant seems to be harder on classmates than on the pregnant woman.
That raises some interesting theater of the mind. Of course I'm thinking of nine months pregnant.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
^ One of my former instructors was said to have continued training--not just in drills but in sparring--through the entirety of all three of her pregnancies. I understand her mentality but think it was cruel toward her students. She must have believed she could protect her fetus, but no sane person could give their all in a match against a pregnant woman. As soon as I suspected that I was pregnant, I went to light contact sparring. I've figured out since then that "no contact" isn't even an option, because I have a tendency to step into an attack to get the upper hand. I won't be sparring again until after childbirth.

But now that my belly's getting big, some people dislike so much as throwing a technique in my direction. They know better than to show their discomfort during class. Still, I feel a bit sorry for them when they mention it afterward.
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
This afternoon I took a nap and dreamed I was in a succubus strip bar.

I sure have some problems...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Not necessarily Foste. You should see some of my strange dreams.


Could be part of a story though... [Smile]
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Foste:
This afternoon I took a nap and dreamed I was in a succubus strip bar.

I sure have some problems...

[Eek!]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Last night---afternoon to you non-nightshift workers---I dreamed I'd gone into work and my regular partner on Saturday was on vacation and the result was near-chaos.

Of course, after I woke up, I went into work and my regular partner on Saturday was on vacation and the result was near-chaos.

What's the point in dreaming something if I'm just going to live through it all again when I wake up?
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Would humanity be doomed if the average IQ took a sudden swing upward?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Robert that could be a story even though it had been.


And aspirit... I don't know, depends on how everyone reacts and/or what type of inventions they come up with.

But again it could be a good what if story idea.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Doesn't appeal to me much...I wish I could "lucid dream" more often and use it as an escape from reality...on the other hand, I wouldn't even get out of bed to do something like this, much less write, or even go to work.

I had a better dream last night. I was getting married to a most charming woman, only seen briefly in the dream, but the wedding was taking place in some warren of discount retail stores. I was woken up by my alarm before I even got to the altar to say "I do."

*****

aspirit: if you can find a copy, read Poul Anderson's Brain Waves, which kinda deals with this theme.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Robert, lucid dreaming isn't all fun. After a while, you can start to feel as that you're dragged off to unreal places against your will. Though you can control aspects of a dream, it's more difficult to control whether or not you dream that night.

Also, thanks for the recommendation. My public library has a copy of Anderson's Brain Wave.

Random thought for the day: Not thinking about anything can be relaxing, even when it's not during meditation. Pregnancy comes with all sorts of benefits.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I can't get pregnant, I'm a guy... I can think of nothing, I'm a guy.


Actually, I learned how to relax a whole lot of years ago when I had to take speech therapy classes. The person who relaxed the best got to hold a doll for the class. I never relaxed enough. In the last few years the idea hit me that that could have been because I was a guy. But in either case I think I learned to relax there.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
But speaking of lucid dreams there's a TV show about that. A police officer lives in two worlds but he doesn't know which is the waking world and which is the dreaming world.

but aspirit
quote:
lucid dreaming isn't all fun. After a while, you can start to feel as that you're dragged off to unreal places against your will.
One more time.... make a great idea for a story and/or book
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Speaking of good story fodder.

Here's a story on Yahoo News

http://tinyurl.com/spacemining
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
LD, thanks for that link! I'm currently researching asteroid mining for a story. As for dream stories, I've started two shorts that involve an MC being forced to a dreamworld to help solve dream-beings' problems. Neither are well-developed stories; although, for the more recent, I think the problem is mostly weak characterization.

quote:
I can think of nothing, I'm a guy.
I've heard, mostly from comedians, that thinking of nothing is easier for men. However, I can argue that thinking about nothing and not thinking about anything aren't always the same.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Sorry to hear that...I suppose if I wanted to escape from reality that badly, there are still drugs and such available...but the same problems would come up.


*****

quote:
I can't get pregnant, I'm a guy... I can think of nothing, I'm a guy.
Well, cheer up, think of all the advantages...
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
More evidence that chicks rule.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Great video, snapper. Thanks for sharing.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Thanks KD. I don't know what was better, The catch or the dumbfounded look from the players she showed up.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
That was one spectacular catch--like something out of a movie. I'd be dumbfounded if I were one of the other players, too.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
aspirit I am very qualified and have practiced a lot so now I am ambidextrous. In other words I can do both. [Smile]


Indeed Robert being able to think of nothing is great gain.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
I just got back from a book signing by Hatrack's own Mary Robinette Kowal. She did a fantastic reading and a little puppet show, and she wrote in the first sentence from "Glamour in Glass" into my hardback (because for some odd reason, the first sentence was cut from the book.)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Wow, Jennifer.


Wonder if I can talk her into coming around here. [Smile]
I always do that but so far no success... it's not like we are a small town or even small city, either.


Anyway, I have her first on my Nook, they are suppose to be working on way for writers to electronically sign E-books.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
She and her husband are moving from Oregon to Chicago, and she's stopping in several cities along the route for signings. I'm proud to say that I'm the one who alerted the owners of Broadway Book Mall that she was going to be in Denver, and then they set up the signing. So I had a hand in tonight's event. [Smile]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Jennifer! You were there, too? I was the one who asked her to compare building a story to building a puppet.

I wish I'd known. I'd have liked to have met you.

And thanks for helping to get a signing for her here.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Ah, man. I would have loved to have met you, Kathleen. I spent most of my time chatting with Aaron Hughes. Although I have to say I don't remember that question, and I was listening hard to the whole discussion. I really liked her talking about her work in the SFWA.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Oh, wait a minute. You said Denver. My bad.

I went to her Salt Lake City signing.

[Embarrassed]

Oh, well. Maybe we can meet some other time.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Oh well, indeed. But that's better than being in the same room and not realizing it.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Yeah, I know she was moving so I was wondering how she had the time for signings.

She would have had to make a detour to do a signing here but it may not have been that much of one. Oh, well. One of these days a pro writer I know will come here. Writers I don't know have been here.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
Btw, I now concur that there are two types of people in the world: those who laugh at The Three Stooges, and those who don't.

Certoinly,
Dr. Bob
 
Posted by Shaygirl (Member # 9761) on :
 
History: and you would be?

There are two types of people in the world: those who think there are two types of people in the world, and those who don't.

Or maybe they're just sitting around trying to see if their hair smells more like the strawberry shampoo or the apple conditioner.

Confusedly,
~Shay
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
well, my wife is in one group...she dislikes that type of humor and I'm sort of in the other group. I think some of the Three Stooges is funny, some is worth a smile but a lot isn't.


And Shay in either case or if the answer is both, just don't eat your hair. [Smile]
 
Posted by Shaygirl (Member # 9761) on :
 
That's what people keep telling me...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Chirp, chirp, again.

*****

Well, this is as good a place to say good-bye as any. "Good-bye" meaning "I'm going away for just over a week and my Internet access is limited and I won't be posting till I get back." Just like every other May and October since I've been hanging 'round here.

My relatively recent purchase of a Nook Color gives me some access---I'll be reading what you say, but posting is too much of a rigamarole on that device to make it a pleasant experience.

Someday, I really must update myself and get some of the gizmos that make it easier to reach out and touch someone. I dunno about some of it, though...I think I'll accept what technology appeals to me and my needs, and reject the rest...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Well, since you are reading these.

Have fun and don't worry about staying in contact...it's only a week and you are suppose to be away from it all. I know what you mean about the Nook keyboard.


I saw one on a iPad and it looked neat, took up about half the screen. Didn't get a chance to try t out though.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
"Graffiti" at http://xkcd.com/229/

In a public space,
A moment of reflection.
One's thoughts excreted.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Robert, I hope you're not reading this until after your vacation. Touch what's around you; we'll still be here when you return.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Speaking of the guys in the Statue of Liberty outfits I've been meaning to say this for a over a month.


There's one guy on a street corner who must be losing weight. He advertises for a pizza place so he has a sign and T-shirt from that place. He's obviously overweight but at the same time he dances around so much it's a wonder he hasn't lost a quarter of that weight by now. He spins, dips, moved his arms all in about a two foot space.

Yesterday I saw him and hoped he had some water, it was 90 degrees at least.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Back...the vacation was less about doing something new than getting a change of scene for a week plus...well, I did read a number of new and interesting books, none of which were SF or fantasy...

*****

There are several people hopping about 'round here, holding this sign or that...there are a couple of "We Buy Gold" ones, plus a couple advertising restaurants...I look at 'em and think, "Geez, I know times are tough, but there's gotta be better entry-level jobs than that..."

(Or did I say that back a couple of pages? Alas, I've used up my "A" material here...)

*****

Oh, yeah, I did look in and read what was going on here. Sometime in the next few days, I'll respond to it...
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
They say you are the worst judge of your own work.

From now I will tell everyone that my stuff sucks so hard.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Pardon me for asking this here but does anyone know how YouTube works? Been trying to figure out how to invite someone to a invitation only video. Their FAQs are useless because they say click on account button but there is no account button.

May have found it by accident.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
A little venting here that goes along with my last post.

My sells her stuff through an online mall type of web site. They have rules that the stuff has to be from non pros not stores. So they want pics, copies of receipts and a video of how my wife makes her stuff. Supposedly they do this to all those who participate sooner or later but we and a couple of other crafters think some one complained.

More on my blog later.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
quote:
I look at 'em and think, "Geez, I know times are tough, but there's gotta be better entry-level jobs than that..."
Yes, but it pays. Firstly, they might not be looking for a permanent positions, because they're still in school. Secondly, they might appreciate the income (and exercise) while they apply again and again and again for entry-level jobs anywhere and everywhere that might take them.

Also, silly dancing with commercial signs pays better than some jobs. My husband made less per hour as a supervisor at his current workplace than most sign-waivers in our community make.

*Edited for spelling.
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
The robin nesting by my front door trusts my husband but freaks whenever I pass her. I think it's because my husband whistles to her while I continue, stupidly, to talk to her as if she's a mammal. That, or she's still angry that I took pictures of her eggs.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've got a catbird that hangs around and follows me from a distance every time I cut the lawn. Six plus years, now.

*****

On "entry-level jobs"...honestly, I don't know how much they pay for dancing around. Also it's a matter of personality---I don't think I could've done that when I was out looking for work, I'm not that demonstrative. (Also I sunburn easy.)

In at least one case 'round here, I think (but do not know) the dancing girl out there with the sign is a relative of the guy who owns the restaurant. But thinking isn't knowing...

*****

On YouTube...this might be overstating the obvious, but...do you have an account with them? (My experience with YouTube is limited to being a viewer (and voyeur)...there's a lot of really cool stuff posted there.)
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Solar eclipse today in the western U.S. (and many other places worldwide). If you're lucky enough to be in an area to watch it, don't forget your special glasses or pin-pricked cardboard box.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Don't use glasses or exposed photo film.

Don't look directly at the sun.

Do use a camera obscura, i. e. a "pin-pricked cardboard box," or just two file cards, one with a hole in it.

[ May 20, 2012, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: Robert Nowall ]
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
What Robert said.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hmmm, you two may know something I don't.

What is a File car? How would I put a hole in a car?


(ducks)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
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Posted by Shaygirl (Member # 9761) on :
 
Just added another reason to get my eyes checked...
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Saw the eclipse with the pin-hole paper, but also saw it in the "pinholes" created as the sunlight slipped between the leaves of bushes and trees. Hundreds of tiny crescents that way, and they looked very cool.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
I'm glad some people had good viewing conditions. Here in Denver, we had about a 20-minute window from when the eclipse hit its peak to when the sun set behind the mountains. It was cloudy the whole time, so my pin-hole paper did not work.
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
I was stuck at work, and my jerk coworker threw a fit because I already took my lunch.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We used to take unscheduled breaks in the middle of the night and go outside and watch the shuttle go up...very impressive, that...

Never seen a solar eclipse close to total, just partial eclipses, but on occasion when it's been cloudy, it was noticeably darker.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Well. I finally got one from Clarkesworld asking me to keep them in mind for the future. That's supposed to be good, isn't it?

LOL. This is pitiful. [Smile] If I was doing this for a living, I'd quit and get a job at a car wash. [Big Grin]

Oh well. It's only the 4th place I've sent this story, and it's a short one. Many more victims to inflict it on. Slush readers beware.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
That is good. Congrats. I've sent plenty of stories to Clarkesworld and I've never received a response like that.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Not bad...I suppose none of the markets would want to insult the next Stephen King, even if the story in front of them isn't that good. (Supposedly King got even with F & SF by selling them something they rejected years before, or so I once heard...)

The last rejection I got included the sentence: "We hope you will consider submitting to Buzzy [Multimedia] again in the future as a possible home for your work." I suppose they meant it, but I take the page for a form letter. I'll think about sending something else, once I have something else...
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Did King really do that? My hero!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I think "supposedly" is the operating word..."alleged" might be better. I read the story in question at the time...his followup stories in F & SF were the ones collected in Volume One of the Dark Tower thing, and, I gather, were wrtten earlier and, I can only presume, rejected by someone...

If it were true...it's certainly low behavior. I'm inclined to the position that one should do one's best work all the time, 'cause there's somebody out there who hasn't seen you before and will judge you on that work. Like I said, I read the work---I'm pretty sure it's the first thing by Stephen King I ever read---and it doesn't stick in my mind.

I can't say precisely how Stephen King became S*T*E*P*H*E*N K*I*N*G, but, if this incident did happen that way, it wasn't because of it, it was in spite of it.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
If it were true...it's certainly low behavior. I'm inclined to the position that one should do one's best work all the time, 'cause there's somebody out there who hasn't seen you before and will judge you on that work. Like I said, I read the work---I'm pretty sure it's the first thing by Stephen King I ever read---and it doesn't stick in my mind.

I can't say precisely how Stephen King became S*T*E*P*H*E*N K*I*N*G, but, if this incident did happen that way, it wasn't because of it, it was in spite of it.

You seem to persuaded that one's earlier work is invariably not as good as later work. Not necessarily true. I have seen authors (that I won't name because I don't want to fuss with anyone) whose earlier work I liked a lot better than their later writing. Besides, I am guessing King most likely did do his best work with those stories. Maybe he was a different person then, with a different viewpoint and a different voice. But that doesn't make automatically them bad or inferior.

Of course, maybe they were inferior. But I'm sure they still sold magazines anyway.
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
So I got glasses today. You can imagine my horror when I found out I needed them. I mean who has ever seen an author in glasses. [Big Grin]

I had something in my eye a few weeks back, or so I thought. It just wouldn't come out so finally I got in to see an eye doctor that is part of my medical group. Turns out I had a scratch on my cornea. She does a brief exam, and then says, "Where are your glasses?" I tell her that I don't wear any. She tells me I need them and probably have for years.

So, for insurance reasons I go see another Eye Doctor. She checks my eyes and tells me how amazing it was that I never wore glasses.

I call my Mom. She tells me, "yea when you were a kid they told me you needed glasses but the astigmatism was minor that I didn't bother."

I guess as I've gotten older it has gotten worse. I had noticed some blurred vision in my left eye, but I had assumed it was due to my migraines.

Anyway, I consider it an upgrade from two eyes to four. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Once you get used to chewing on the earpiece while you are thinking, you will wonder how you ever did without them.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Welcome to my world. I got glasses when I was fourteen, then had to wear them all the time when I was sixteen and needed 'em for driving, and from then on, wore 'em all the time.

Now my prescription is shifted, I have to take 'em off to see anything up close---like this, reading and writing right here---and, sometimes I get up and lose track of where I put 'em down...

*****

I think Stephen King has gotten away with one heckuva lot of lousy writing, and the only reason he has gotten away with it is because he's S*T*E*P*H*E*N K*I*N*G. (Also there's an unpleasant air of arrogance about him when he writes any non-fiction.) But every so often he turns out something pretty good.

I pulled out my copy of F & SF with the story in it. (It's at one end of my "relatively inaccessible" collection, and I could reach it with only a little trouble.) It's called "The Night of the Tiger," it's in the February 1978 issue of F & SF, I don't know if it's in any of King's collections, and a quick read through doesn't stimulate any memories---seems kinda derivative of better stories by Bradbury, actually.

On the face of it, it could be a prior reject, say, from King's college days...but there could've been something in the story King was fond of and thought readers should be given the opportunity to see.

(Funny, though. The only story in the issue that strikes a chord in my memory is "Stone," by Edward Bryant, the cover story---none of the others stirs anything at a glance, not even the "first short story" by Stephen R. "Thomas Covenant" Donaldson. I suppose that fate awaits us all if we succeed at our literary efforts. To be filed and forgotten with the rest.)
 
Posted by Shaygirl (Member # 9761) on :
 
EVOC. Don't worry my friend, do like I did. Get one of those thick black rim pairs and start a fashion trend. Soon everyone's wearing them. Its like they think it will give them your level of self-confidence or something like that...

But don't worry, people look at authors with glasses like they know what they're doing (like we've stayed up all night writing or something [Wink] )
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Brown tortoiseshells with big lenses does it for me. But my current ones are a little uncomfortable, and, with a recent shift in the prescription for my left eye, I'm going to search farther afield for my next sets.

(Get prescription sunglasses, too...I don't know how I went all those years without 'em...)
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
It must be the end of the school year. My youngest "graduated" from preschool two days ago, and this morning my 8-year-old got an award for perfect attendance. (I've always thought that was a strange award, like the school is saying, "Congratulations for not getting sick!")
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Oh, I thought it was congratulations for coming to school even if you are sick (and thereby getting all the other kids sick), which makes it an even stranger award, I guess.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/05/25/honor-student-supporting-siblings-arrested-for-being-too-exhausted-for-school/

No comment required I think.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Much as I'd've liked to have perfect attendance, the pattern of my life that stretched through to work stretched back into my school appearance---every several months I'm sick for a few days, be it a cold or a stomach upset or something that might be funny if you go for that kind of scatological humor. The latter two have been less frequent of late, at least not big enough to affect going to work. (Damn.)

*****

I "googled" the judge's name to see if there was any prior history of strange rulings, but all I could find, at least among the first hundred pages, were followup stories and comments about this. (As I suspected, the judge was a JP, a Justice of the Peace---elsewhere in the USA a minor official, but in Texas a fully-empowered judge.)
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
I will say I never send my children to school with anything worse than the common cold. My daughter missed several days of preschool this year for various ailments, but my son managed to avoid catching them. He had the biggest grin when he was on the stage getting his award. So from that standpoint, I'm proud of him for his accomplishment.

@rcmann: That story is so horrible that it's almost unbelievable. They should be giving that girl a medal and some foster parents, not a night in jail.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
We bought our house three and a half years ago. Yesterday, we had our Realtor over to see if there's a possibility for us to move.

We bought the house for 130,000 and then proceeded to spend about 20,000 dollars repairing, remodeling, painting, re-flooring, the works.

Our Realtor told us that our house is now worth 96,000 dollars.

Do you know how it feels to realize you've lost 54, 000 dollars? It sucks. It makes your bones ache. I don't want it to be real.

There are so many stories out there about people losing their homes to foreclosing, or a short sell. There are homeless people out there, and people who have health problems, or sick kids. I should be grateful that my husband has a job that he hates, but that pays the bills. I should be grateful for this house that no longer works for us, that we will never be able to move out from under.

But I don't.

I feel trapped.

I feel sad.

I feel like reading a book about faraway places, so that in my mind at least, I have a chance to get away.

Write more books, people.

Because it's not just me who needs them.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Don't consider your house as if it were a bank account. A house isn't something you want to risk losing. It's an asset, but it can't be treated as if it's liquid capital, something you can cash in for the big bucks.

Your realtor only gave you its approximate dollar amount on the market, which can be higher or lower.

You also don't mention the other traditional accompanyment of a house purchase---a mortgage. If you've got one, you've got to pay it off...but once you have paid it off, and you sell your house then, it's, as they say, all gravy.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
shimiqua evidently a lot of people feel like you do. I might even if I was in the same situation except that my wife hates to move and if we bought a house three years ago she would want to stay in for at least seven more years. So she probably wouldn't care if the price dropped to half of what we paid for it.

But eventually the price will go back up. How soon eventually will be depends on what state you live in, the economy and other factors.

A few years ago house prices around her jumped when people on the coast decided to move inland. They could buy a house here with more land for half of what their house there would cost. So some did which caused our house prices to go up significantly.

In other words you never know when something odd will happen to cause your prices to go back up before everyone else's.

But I can understand why you would feel trapped even if you planned to stay there another two years at least. Because something could happen where you would want to move now. But at the same time I would keep telling myself I'm not planning to move anyway so it doesn't matter what the house is worth at the moment.

And at least around here some people are some how moving and buying houses. At lower prices and way lower interest rates and some how I don't think they are all first time buyers or rich people.

We would love to be one of them but we got two reasons we don't. One is lack of a big enough savings and two is a personal reason that is different than most people's.

Add to that a fear of being responsible for our own house. [Smile]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I won't give precise dollar amounts on my home purchase---belated revenge for when I tried (and failed) to get answers about how much people 'round here were getting for selling their stuff---but I bought my house for somewhat less than shimiqua's purchace price...since then I've put more money in it for assorted repairs, in particular a new roof...and in the course of the real estate bubble of the 2000s I saw houses nearby listed up past half a million...but now they're down, but houses in my neighborhood still sell more than I paid for mine.
 
Posted by EVOC (Member # 9381) on :
 
Life has been giving me a lot of back to back lessons on being grateful for what I have. Including moving back to my hometown, and then my wife promptly lost her job. Now I barely make enough to pay my rent.

But, life has a funny way of doing these kind of things to me. And, I've lived through much worse.

It can be hard to remember to look for the positive, but I try to do it anytime I get down on my situation. I find I have a lot more to be thankful for.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
We have been in some hard finical times in the past, I won't go into details but a couple have been very rough for a few months but now we are not doing so bad at all.

One thing that has happened to us recently, relatively minor compared to some of you but our cat went missing.

My wife was taking the cat to the vet and somewhere between the car and the vet's door the cat got out of its cardboard carrying box. The cat took off into the bushes. The vet is only a mile or so from us but it's been three days now and no sign of her--the cat that is. We are still looking though.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Sympathies...you have walked around the area, haven't you? Sometimes when the cat sees a familiar person, he'll come out of hiding, particularly if you've got food and he's hungry...

*****

Couldn't get here yesterday---broke off my onlining activity at noon to eat lunch / dinner, and as I was eating the power went off. Went off, stayed off for over an hour, went off again later but I'd already gone to bed by then. Nuisance. I have battery backup but not enough for a lengthy session.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I suppose many of you checked out the Transit of Venus today. Me, where I was, it was too cloudy to pick up anything. I'll try to take a look before sunset, but I'm not hopeful of improvment, and I guess I'll just have to wait until 2117 and watch it then.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
It was way too cloudy here, too.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Kinda late here for some of you it will be June seventh but

Today is D-day. For those who are from other countries or have forgotten, The US invaded Normandy during WWII to stop Hitler. Hundreds of ships, I forget how many planes including gliders. Seven thousand men died in one day but we took the beach, a couple of cliffs and parachuted many men in to free France and other countries. A lot of the stuff the Germain had set ups and we brought in is still there.

Thanks to all the brave men who took part and planned it.
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
It is D-day isn't it, forgot all about it and all of todays drama.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We passed by the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Midway, too...
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN9GJRv50T8&feature=relmfu

My new favorite song. I went to college with this girl, and she's the nicest, most brilliantly talented person I've ever met, and I've met KDW. She's weird and quirky and... well brilliant. She's gonna be huge.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
You met K D Wentworth, shimiqua?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
For some reason I was utterly amused that Kathleen's post was Number Three Thousand Three Hundred and Thirty Three in this thread. I suppose this makes it Three Thousand Three Hundred and Thirty Four
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
(Also there's an unpleasant air of arrogance about him when he writes any non-fiction.) But every so often he turns out something pretty good.

Read both On Writing and Danse Macabre and found him utterly charming.

Can you post an example, Robert? This piqued my interest.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I haven't got any copy to hand, but I remember how unapologetic King was in a comment about this mystery novel he turned out, where he set out a murder mystery and then utterly fails to solve it.

In On Writing, King tells the story of one of the inspirations for Carrie, this classmate girl who got laughed at, saved up so she could look nice in a new dress, and still got laughed at---and all I could wonder was, "Where was King when this was going on?" His absence from the story suggests to me he was one of the kids laughing at the poor outcast. And it bothers me. (I know I feel some psychic pain nowadays when I think of my own relation to and comments about the outcasts---and perhaps I was one myself, but if I was, I never noticed.)

King also had a column in Entertainment Weekly for several years, talking about this or that aspect of the entertainment industry---books, movies, music, the lot---where he took a tone of superiority while recommending stuff that, in all honesty, didn't seem that appealing to the likes of me, and, I suspect, anybody else.

Some of King's foreword / afterword comments about his work are kind of hard to take, too...
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
I am pretty sure he explicitly stated that he was laughing at her too.

For what it's worth I appreciate his honesty, if anything.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Can't say for sure---I went over it several times and didn't have the impression of his presence, one way or another, but it's been awhile and I could still have missed something. (Being honest about it doesn't impress me that much, either.)

There were other things in On Writing that kind of cheesed me off, but at this late remove, and not knowing where my copy is, I can't say for sure what they were...
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
For a lot of us, purging some of the bull**** we went through as kids is part of the reason we write. Either guilt or pain or both. Maybe Carrie was a form of penance for King.
 
Posted by Foste (Member # 8892) on :
 
True. Been on both sides of the fence.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Certainly I carry the psychic pain of participating in such things. I'd tell you all the tale of The Stupidest Thing I've Ever Done, but I'm too embarrassed to ever put it to paper---well, maybe I'll leave something behind in a safe deposit box someday.

*****

Some of my distaste for King is rooted in his style---somebody (maybe Dean Koontz) once described it as "baroque," meaning extremely wordy and oddly put together, and many words are used where often just one will do. It was also said long ago (by Spider Robinson in a book review, I'm sure of that) that how do you tell a guy so successful that he's coming in fifty thousand words over his best fighting weight? I like wordy stuff as well as the next guy, but in my own writing I try to streamline it.

Also I have a certain distaste for King's ripoffs of old stories and ideas---in particular, his novella "The Langoliers," ripping off a well-known Twilight Zone episode, but this isn't the only case. He seems unapologetic about that, too. My own ideas are certainly old, and I'll be the first to admit it here and anywhere.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Is anyone else having trouble logging into Yahoo? I don't know if it is the wifi access point here in York, NE or Yahoo is having a problem in general.

My blackberry is able to pull up their news. This access point can get into other websites I reguraly visit, like hatrack. It doesn't make sense why I can get *here* but not yahoo.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hmmm, interesting. I got on okay, but when I clicked on any of the top row of pictures with story the whole thing force. I couldn't do anything else. I went backwards to this page then back to Yahoo. That happened three times. Fourth time I clicked on my mail and it sent me to my E-mail. I went back to Yahoo and everything worked fine.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
It was my location. Walked to a local McDonalds. I was able to get right on with no problem at all.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My computer had some updating set on it, so I thought I'd let it do that this morning---only the damned thing took more than an hour to update and shut down! Screwed up my whole morning, running late.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Drat. There's an rcmann on Smashwords already. Not me. Now what? Change my nom de plume? Live with it? Hunt the guy down? Decisions, always decisions.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Would it fool them if you punctuated it differently, say, space it out with some hyphens?
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Since I haven't gotten published yet, it might be simpler just to change my pen name. Although I gather the other rcmann hasn't been published either.

I would use my real name, but it's as common as dirt. I am open to suggestions as to an alternate pen name if anyone wants to help me come up with one. You folks have seen enough of my style to get an idea of who I am.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
That's what's great about my real name---for all the awkward trouble it caused along the way, it's darned near unique. All but a tiny handful of online references to it are to me.

Other than "find a name you can live with," I haven't got much more to help, though.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I google my real name and find 49,600,000 results in 0.28 seconds. Egad.

Even worse, scads and wads of them are writers. Fiction and non-fiction. Professors & preachers.

*sigh*
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
RC i know how it is having a super common name. A bunch of people with my name. I think I have the 3rd most common last name in the world.
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
You should be Alan Crank.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
A couple of years ago I googled my writing name. Found two--might be the same guy.

One wrote nonfiction---books about ancient calendars.

The other was a poster on at least one political blog. A democrat I think. As I said it both could be the same person. But just for fun I thought about posting conservative comments on the same blogs with my pen name. [Smile]


But rc did you try changing the names around or their spelling? Instead of i put in a y or make it mman
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I don't suppose Bob would work?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Well, you could try Boobie Mann, um, that is, I mean Bobby Mann.


Or

Bob Tiberius Mann
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I'm going to bed.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
They say a lot of those misspelled names you see on rock bands these days are not to be clever, but so they stand out from the correct spelling when someone Googles them. What one won't do to be an individual...
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I suppose I could use the original Celtic form of my name. Or maybe use the literal meaning, that would be weirdly distinctive. I could steal a name from one of my Cherokee ancestors, like "Mankiller", except she might come haunt me over it.

*sigh*
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
As long as your writing doesn't suck it'd be more like honoring her as opposed to stealing the name.

[ June 16, 2012, 08:51 PM: Message edited by: GreatNovus ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
I suppose I could use the original Celtic form of my name. Or maybe use the literal meaning, that would be weirdly distinctive. I could steal a name from one of my Cherokee ancestors, like "Mankiller", except she might come haunt me over it.
Pardon me for not being PC But You're Irish Indian??? Or Indian Irish.


Holy cow is your real-not so real name Walker???

Inside joke for C.E. Murphy fans.


Which come to think of it I might the only one of here.

But Bobby Walker could be a good pen name. Or better yet Johnny Walker.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Not Johnny Walker. Given my background it would be more like Jack Daniels.

I'm Scot-Irish-Cherokee-Welsh.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Voyager 1 is in the helio-sheath )is that the right term?) ahead of schedule. Seems that our first interstellar probe is now nibbling the edges of raw infinity. Cosmic radiation has suddenly shot way up in the last month. Apparently we, as a race, have advanced to the level of interstellar travelers.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I bought this pair of oven mitt potholders last week. They were sold one at a time but I needed two. My old oven mitts have just worn out and have holes where you hold the hot pot.

The old ones have that silicone padding / lining that's supposed to be more heat resistant, and it seems to be---when I've used them, I didn't feel any heat through them.

But there's just one problem---they don't seem to be made to be worn by human hands. My old oven mitts had a thumb and the rest---these ones have kind of an alligator jaw, with one side smaller than the other---but you can't really put your thumb in one side and the rest of your fingers in the other. They're very uncomfortable to use.

So I continue the search---but what gives?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Probably trying to be cool and different or put out by a chef TV show. Or both.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ritz KitchenSmart Oven Mitts, with Neoprene. Made in China, it says---and before anyone jumps to conclusions, I'm sure the Chinese have opposable thumbs, just like nearly every other human being on the face of the earth.

I suppose I'll try online ordering...just in the past couple of days, I ordered three things I couldn't find locally on short notice: (1) a new charger for my Nook Color (I think the old one is broken---at any rate, it's bent a little, and sometimes doesn't charge), (2) a replacement FM repeater plug-in for my iPod (the old one I was using busted and doesn't deliver as strong a signal as it used to), and (3) some pocket-T-shirts intended for the Big and Tall (the ones I get all seem to come up a little short in length---I'm trying this out, but I'm flying blind).
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
My wife orders some things by mail. How good a result depends on the product and if she can find it locally. Usually what ever it is arrives in good shape and works fine or fits okay but sometimes she gets something that isn't quiet right. She has returned items a few times and a couple of times never got to sending them back.

One certain popcorn company never sent her order and it took her months to get a refund. They may have been going out of business. Other businesses will send a postage sticker with no problems. She has to pack the items but the postage is paid. But that is a minority of times. Usually, as I said, no problems.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Try welding gloves. Seriously.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Oh, I usually don't have trouble, though I've had my share of problems. Busted subscriptions from fly-by-night SF magazines...the Beatles still owe me an "Anthology Laserdisc" T-shirt...and one of the Beatles cover bands still owes me a CD. They all cashed the checks. The money involved isn't a big deal, though.

Recently I bought several books of self-published Internet Comics. From past experience, I figured this would be fraught with trouble, but I've gotten every one I've ordered so far. (I did advise one guy to spring for the bubble-wrap envelope next time, not tight-fitting plastic.)

But, believe me, I know what can happen to something in the mail. My day is just filled with stuff that gets torn up by the machines. And I've lost five manuscripts somewhere along the way...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Try welding gloves. Seriously.
That is such an interesting suggestion. How well would they clean up if I spilled something on them?
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
They are designed to be used in oily mechanic's shops. They are tough enough to stand up to most cleaning agents:)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Oh...then a brand-new fresh pair of welder's gloves should be all right...in, oh, about twenty-eight years of use, I never washed my regular oven mitts.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I am guessing that they could handle cake batter:) Maybe even bacon grease, although I won't go out on a limb about that one. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Oh, a while back I was using a oven mitt to take a pan out of the oven. Suddenly I felt a burning sensation on my hand, I executed a very fast controlled drop of the pan onto the stove door. My wife wondered what happened and I said something about getting burned. She looked over the mitt and said there's a hole in it.

I said, "I figured that out as soon as the pain started."

Actually, it was a thin area not a complete hole so I wasn't really burned. But since then I have not used any of them.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I have a simpler solution. My wife does all the cooking.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Well, my wife is busy at work and with her online craft business...besides I could very well be the better cook. More practiced anyway.

[ June 25, 2012, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: LDWriter2 ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, working in the fast food industry for a few years cured me of any fear of cooking...or desire to eat out...so if I don't cook I don't eat.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I am banned from the kitchen. Even my offspring, traitorous little brats, will join forces to physically remove me if I get close to the stove. Bah.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was gonna make french fries today (I usually do on Mondays) but got a bucket of KFC chicken instead. Not bad, but it was suggested to me---I wouldn't have gone on my own, probably.
 
Posted by Shaygirl (Member # 9761) on :
 
Too tired to write, too tired not to. Waiting for a professor to decide if she'll take pity on me and give partial credit for four (read FOUR) exams that I didn't see (and so didn't take till way past the due date). I have work tomorrow, a research paper for biology to write, scholarships to hunt for, and bedsheets that need changing. To top it all off, I think that my cell phone is about ready to die...

~Shay
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
Damnit, well I've blown a headgaskit in my car... SO i either pay 3 times what I bought the thing for to fix it now, but another car, or find a way to get around for 2 or 3 weeks until my uncle can get down here till help me and pay him what i bough for the car to fix it. >_<;;

I literally just put new brakes on the damn thing too. Why couldn't this crap wait till after the divorce atleast...
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
You need pizza.
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
Yes, yes I do. I have a feeling a guy that use to be my best friend is going to invite me to go clubbing with him tonight. Not really my thing, but might be nice to get out for a bit.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hey didn't some here do a story about a new type of flash mob???
On the challenge forum.

Check out this News Video

Flash Mob
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
So did anyone here about the pornstars and what they are giving their twitter followers since the heat won?

My mind is blown, no pun intended.

urgh.
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
Well decent day...

1. Fools at the mechanic shop tried to rip me off wanted to charge me 2 grand-ended up fixing it for under 100.

2.Made 110 bucks in roughly 3 hours.

3. Played holdem with about 15 people, beat 13 of them agreed to "tie" with the other guy because he wanted to call it quits.(went from first guy out last game to 2nd place in the league lol)

4. Car is running even better than before thanks to point #1.

5.Got some new clothes that actually fit.

6.Bar Tab was 5 bucks, and thats about where I plan to keep it.

7.Killed it at work today, have done half what I did last month and we're only two days in.

The only thing that sucked about today is a cdplayer ate one of my CDs, but my uncle is up for a few days and he can tinker with anything so he can prob get that back for me. Awesome day was awesome.

What all winning did yall do today?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'd have to know the specific problem with the car, and the fix, before I could judge what it would or should cost.

I won on Monday, kind of, by getting a day off that I was originally scheduled to work.
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
Skipping Monday is always an epic win.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Been on vacation. A writing-cation [Smile]


Haven't gotten done quite what I planned but still did some significant writing stuff.

Finished revising a novel last week--even went back and added to it and finished--but don't tell anyone there's one tiny bit I still have to go back and add.

Started revising a second but this one is going to take longer, so far it needs more work than that last one.

Revising-no make that rewriting-my next WotF story.

Have one story almost ready to mail out for the first time. Thought it might go to The Extreme Planets antho but it's way too short for them so I didn't get a second story out to them before the deadline last saturday.

We get to see "Brave" Thursday.

Got to eat lunch at Honey Ham three times. Love their sandwiches and ham and bean soup.

Ordered a book online at Barnes and Noble. A series I thought had ended but there is at least one more book. B&N hasn't carried it for four weeks at least. They have the previous books in the series just not that one. Think there is another series like that. I thought it had ended but there another book, but I can't think of what series that is.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
And

Nice homes to live in.


Cool Homes


And interesting fodder for stories I would think.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
A series I thought had ended but there is at least one more book.
Frustrating. I found out that a book I enjoyed, back in the 1980s, itself a sequel to somebody else's work in the 1960s, had multiple sequels---but I found that out long after they'd all long gone out of print and beyond my ability to find and read. (This is yet another reason I don't like indefinite series.) I'm hoping they'll turn up in e-format...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Happy Fourth of July to those who celebrate it!

I spent most of the day baking, of all things---chocolate chip cookies, intended for a bake sale at work. Lucky for me I woke up around 1:00 AM...the rest of the day, my plans are still vague...
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
Well went to court, and since i'm in the middle of a divorce(despite the fact it was wrote up[i think] and served after i got assaulted) they're going to delay the aggravated assault case for another 3 months and they might just dismiss it all together. Are you ****ing serious? So if it happens again it'll be a first case which can be exponged, then if it happens a third time it'll be another first time offense with no penalty, and then finally on the fourth incident she might finally have to deal with some sort of consequence?

Noone is going to ****ing change under that situation. If theres no consequences and you're not gave help or therapy you're not going to change. And as people are allowed to continue the cycle they only get worse. After four times God only knows how much you'll have done.

>_<;;

Swear I feel like having an aneurism.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Cops and the courts aren't like they are on TV or in the movies...a good day for them is when no one presses charges...
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Depending on jurisdiction, as the victim you might have a say in whether it gets dismissed. It is not entirely up to the prosecutor. You were the one injured, therefore you are the citizen who has the right to demand redress of grievance.

There are such things as nonfeasance (refusal to do one's job), misfeasance (screwing up one's job), and malfeasance (deliberately doing the wrong thing). Public officials are not fond of hearing any of those three words mentioned.
 
Posted by Smaug (Member # 2807) on :
 
I'm just wondering if they still make Mr. Bubble.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
You can get several varieties of Mr. Bubble Bubble Bath through Amazon-dot-com. But you might want to peruse your local supermarket first...

Every so often I have to track down something like that. A while ago it was Smith Brothers Cough Drops---I found them, but it's been awhile, and I think the site I got 'em from went out of business. (Not that I need 'em right now, but I like to have 'em when I need 'em.)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Cat back. [Smile]


I don't want to say more now--have an E-mail address to check before signing off and to bed--but we Praise God, she is healthy--even with fleas--and after a short period of hiding seems to be back to normal.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Congratulations!
 
Posted by GreatNovus (Member # 9671) on :
 
Gratz on the cat LD.

Signed my MDA today and finally got the keys back to the apartment and turned them in. Now the waiting game.
 
Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 
Happy Friday the 13th, everyone!

Or, to the superstitious...Happy "Stay in Your Room the Entire Day" Day. [Big Grin]

Or, to the outright paranoid, who have seen at least a half dozen unknown indivduals so far today, following them around wearing a variety of suspicious looking masks...Happy "Hurry!!! Get to the chopper!!! Do it noooowwwwwwwwww!!" Day. [Razz]

Today has been fun, so far.

S!
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Happy Bastille Day today...celebrating the day when the prisoners in the Bastille were liberated by the Paris mob...but there were only, I think, seven prisoners that day, and one of them was the Marquis de Sade...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
You sure about that seven? Didn't you see that short guy in the grey robes over in the corner?? I know his clothes blended in with the color of the walls but still.

And there was that tall, chubby one who was a new prisoner, well you might have thought he was part of the crowd.

Then there was me...man, that was the second most horriblest experience of my rather long life.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
According to the Wikipedia article on the Bastille, the Marquis de Sade was moved shortly before the Bastille was stormed---I guess it's just one of those urban legends that appeals to people. (Apparently he was inciting the crowd and the authorites wanted that stopped.)

There were seven in there---four forgers (who blended in with the crowd and disappeared), Tavernier (mentally ill and reconfined elsewhere later), de White de Malleville (ditto), and the Comte de Solages (confined by family request for sexual misdemeanors).

So which one were you? You got the grey robes right---that's what the prisoners wore.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
I can't believe the news this morning. I live about a half-hour drive from the theater in Aurora, Colo., where at least 12 people, apparently including children, are dead from a shooting at a "Batman" screening last night. It feels like another Columbine. I work for the Denver newspaper, and I can already tell this is going to be a difficult night in the newsroom.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I agree, JenniferHicks. It's hard to imagine that such a thing could happen.
 
Posted by Rhaythe (Member # 7857) on :
 
Kindle Direct Publishing sales report utilities stink.

Ok, I'm done. Carry on.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Something to revive this thread...

This morning, among other chores, I took my computer tower, unplugged everything, took it out into the other room, took the covers off, grabbed a can of compressed air, and blew out all the accumulated dust inside the damned thing. (Kinda messy, and I had to vacuum the table I did it on.)

Been meaning to do it for quite a while, but, with one thing or another, I just didn't get around to it.

For awhile, it's been sounding incredibly asthmatic when I loaded up multiple websites (largely the Internet comics I'm so fond of). But this morning, it's been high usage---but not a revving-fan sound out of it.

Should'a done it months ago...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Been meaning to post this for a while,


Around here at least there seems to be a resurgence of an old phenomenon. Dogs sticking their heads out of a moving car's windows.

Growing up we saw that a lot, my dog even did it a few times. Dogs like it but a while back they said it was bad for their eyes. I'm not sure if that was the cause or not but for years it dropped off. I saw maybe one dog every couple of months. But that last four or so months it's been two to four per day.

Whoa, I wonder if the experts have changed their minds or if the dogs have convinced their masters that they need to do it again.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Tomorrow might be the end of our dog. She has another even worse infection of some type, then she has had before. My wife is taking her in to the vet to see what's up.

She has allergies that are getting worse each year and has had various infections and such. We've tried every thing we can think of and a couple things suggested by others. Only a couple of things seem to help but she was on one of them this time.
 
Posted by BoldWriter (Member # 9899) on :
 
quote:
Tomorrow might be the end of our dog.
I'm sorry to hear that. We just lost our dog about a month ago. She had an infection from a broken tooth and wouldn't eat, then got very, very sick. She was thirteen.

Sounds like it's time to unpack all of those great memories you shared and do a bit of reminiscing. I'd recommend a nice bottle of Pinot Noir... or four.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Sympathies. Been there, done that.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Thanks all.

The dog may not be in as bad a shape as we thought. Even though lumpy inside the vet thinks the problem is a thistle embedded in her skin. The operation to remove it will cost a lot less than we thought to solve her problem.

Monday will be the operation. But we still need to do something about her allergies.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
chirp, chirp
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
So was that a cricket or was the stars twinkling?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Could be a desk chair creaking...

Or just an impolite comment that nobody has Random Mused in a month...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Thought about it a couple of times but been busy with my Q4 story...times running out and I need to add a short scene or three.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hey, Halloween is coming...you guys get your inspiration yet??


But this one is kinda, sort of, maybe, in a way a hard one for me.


When I was a wee lad, my favorite hero was Captain America. I wanted to dress like him for Halloween but for some strange unknown reason the costume makers wouldn't do a Cap costume, all the did was put a picture of him on the front of a outfit.


Oh, and on my lat Halloween I went out as a Flower Child. Had a longer wig and a pouch. When someone gave me candy I gave them a flower. A couple of neighbors probably wondered where all their blossoms went.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I tend to close the doors and turn out the lights and not hand out candy---this is self-protective, in that I often have to sleep when the candy is traditionally handed out, and then go to work later that night---but I'd probably do so even if I were awake.

The last major inspiration I had on Halloween was in my Internet Fan Fiction days, an idea for a story---a Christmas story.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ooh! Ooh! I have a Random Musing!

I've been watching a lot of Star Trek: The Original Series lately---I motivated myself to finally buy a copy of Season Three on Blu-Ray and have gone over a lot of episodes this past week in my vacation time.

There's this one episode, "Arena,"---you remember it, you Trekkers, the one where Kirk gets into that fight-to-the-death with the Gorn---but there's this part at the beginning that interests me. At the beginning of the episode, Kirk beams down to this outpost on Cestus III (I think that's the spelling), but the outpost has been destroyed, and Kirk and company spend a good deal of time fighting within it.

The thing is, in my non-Trek TV watching, I was flipping through channels, and landed on this one called The Wild Wild West. Some of you may remember it---or a dumb action movie of a few years ago that was a remake of it. These two secret agents in post-Civil-War times track down and defeat the baddies, some of whom are quite technologically advanced.

But what caught my eye was this. One of the main characters trails a bunch of bad guys to their hideout, this fortress, and climbs right into the middle of it---and it's the outpost on Cestus III! Had a lot of 19th Century cannon and such strewn about its courtyard---but you'd recognize it right away if you saw it.

I'm sure Star Trek just used a standing set, somewhere near their lot, redressed to look like an outpost on a distant and alien world. I'm also sure The Wild Wild West just used the same set, probably about the same time. It's a bit too large and elaborate for either of them to have built just for a couple short scenes. Probably belonged to a movie shot some time before.

I wonder just what movie it was?
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I suspect that it was mos tlikely recyled through several different movies.

What series do you write fan fic for? (not intended as a tongue twister)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I have a rigid policy of not mentioning the name of the series I wrote fanfic for---I mention I did it (or am in the process of doing it, which I was earlier this year), refer to it as "The Series," talk about some of the things I've done while doing it---but, well, while I'm making the claim that it's parody and therefore protected activity, there's also the counter claim of it being a violation of copyright and subject to potential prosecution. It was fun to write, but this problem does hang over it. (I don't even put links to it on my website.) If I talk about it more openly, I might involve and implicate you guys in it.

If you really want to find out, just Google my name, and some of the links to it should pop up in a page or two.

(Aside: a couple of people who've hung around here have looked for and taken a look at it, and mentioned "The Series" here by name---usually I give a version of this story in response.)
 
Posted by aspirit (Member # 7974) on :
 
Whenever I don't know (or notice) an author's gender while reading, I assume the POV character is male. What's especially odd is that when a boyfriend is mentioned before the POV's gender is specified, I first assume those characters are homosexual. I have to stop to realize, "Oh, right, the POV character's probably female."

Perhaps, what's most odd, is that I as a heterosexual female make these assumptions.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
I spent the weekend at MileHiCon and had a fantastic time, met a lot of writers. It's my one convention of the year, so I have to make the most of it.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I just picked up the latest issue of Heavy Metal at the bookstore yesterday...you guys must know about it, it's a graphic arts comics that's been put out since the 1970s.

It seems like it's been quite awhile since the last issue, which was some 35th anniversary issue or other...and, what with the website failed to put up the "current issue" cover, not even that anniversary issue, I was wondering if it had folded for good.

Not that the "editorial" on Page Three discussing changes encourages me...nor does that they're just numbering issues (this issue is #259) instead of putting month-and-year on them...nor does the absence of a "to be continued" serial from two issues back.

I've been reading Heavy Metal since a few months after it started. Not that it's been all that pleasing an effort---it's often said the editors make a determined effort to find artists and writers who can't tell a decent story---but the artwork is nearly always interesting and occasionally inspires a story idea in me.

I'd be sorry to see it go---but there is a lot of Heavy-Metal-ish art floating around online, and I can seek inspiration from that.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
A lot of magazines/comic books are going under it seems.

The pieces make an interesting puzzle. I wonder what Conan Doyle would think of it?

Radio got away with not paying royalties for the music it plays because a judge at the time ruled that it provided a net benefit to the artist. Namely, that radio provided a venue for new talent to receive exposure. Of course that's not the case anymore.

Television and movies seems to be tapped out when if comes to creativity. if I see one more "reboot" of a classic show that I watched as a child, I may become violent. They are even trying to re-do the Munsters.... *sigh* I haven't seen a completely original idea on screen in a depressingly long time.

Print magazines that publish fiction are almost impossible to find outside of a bookstore, and bookstores are getting scarce as hen's teeth in many places.

1+2+3=???

"When the legends die, the dreams end. When the dreams end, there is no more greatness."
- Tecumseh

Ignore me. I must have forgotten my medication.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Print magazines that publish fiction are almost impossible to find outside of a bookstore, and bookstores are getting scarce as hen's teeth in many places.
Well, you can---well, I can---walk into one of the big superstores and find several things to walk out with (after a visit to the cash register, of course), practically every time. But they often don't have everything, and often lack particular titles I'm looking for---and it's Amazon-dot-com ho!

On the other hand...I passed an old favorite used bookstore---I haven't been there in years, as the books I'm interested in these days just don't turn up that much anymore---and it had a "for sale" sign in the window. I gotta say, I was sore tempted---not that it'll happen, but that I was tempted to make an offer. (I've already been-there-done-that---my family owned and I worked in a used bookstore many many many years ago...)
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
quote:
Print magazines that publish fiction are almost impossible to find outside of a bookstore, and bookstores are getting scarce as hen's teeth in many places.
Well, you can---well, I can---walk into one of the big superstores and find several things to walk out with (after a visit to the cash register, of course), practically every time. But they often don't have everything, and often lack particular titles I'm looking for---and it's Amazon-dot-com ho!

On the other hand...I passed an old favorite used bookstore---I haven't been there in years, as the books I'm interested in these days just don't turn up that much anymore---and it had a "for sale" sign in the window. I gotta say, I was sore tempted---not that it'll happen, but that I was tempted to make an offer. (I've already been-there-done-that---my family owned and I worked in a used bookstore many many many years ago...)

My local Wal-Marts have book sections consisting of two magazine racks, surrounded by one wraparound waist high shelf that runs about twenty feet altogether. What they offer is strictly limited to Gothic roman, YA fantasy, supernatural romance, and the occasional random modern horror/slasher book. As far as books to hold the attention of someone over the age of thirty? Good luck.

The local grocery chains usually limit themselves to a ten foot long magazine rack with a cluster of paperback vampire quasi-erotica on one end.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I'm going to have to look closer at the book stands in the grocery stores I go to. I don't recall any "cluster of paperback vampire quasi-erotica on one end". Mostly there seems to be one. You can all guess which one I think. Of course they have a small selection of books--fifty titles maybe so I don't expect much. One store does have a larger selection of books and magazines but I doubt there are many story magazines.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
One of the supermarkets I frequent has recently shrunk its book section---reducing by about half the space for paperbacks. The only overt fantasy I've seen there lately is the movie-tie-in of The Hobbit---though, honestly, I don't know how to figure all these vampire romances into the scheme of things.

On the other hand, I can always find copies of the digest-sized Archie Comics at the checkout...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
And speaking of my post on Halloween costumes I see that Now you can get a full Captain America outfit complete withe shield, maybe that's why they only had his pic on the front of the costumes when I was a child.


And this isn't political so bare with me But:

I will be very glad when the silly season ends next week. Those radio ads drive me crazy. And we don't get any Presidential ads here. The same ads over and over again, Ugh!

That is one thing I loved about Meg Whitman. She changed her ads every week. Even the people with money don't do that usually.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
And a merry [American] Thanksgiving to all of you celebrating...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hmm, had two things to say here but I forgot one.

Too bad because the one I recall would take too long right now to type out right now.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
To Dr. Bob and the other one or two other Jewish writers here--if you're still here--sorry I've forgotten names.


Anyway:

Have a blessed Hanukkah and be incourged that light does chase out evil.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Christmas music:

I have a variety on my computer and on CDs. One CD though might surprise people. I love Mannheim Steamroller, the Christmas songs of a Jeremy Camp--some of his usual songs almost are Heavy Metal-- and of Third Day-rock with a country flavor. Some of my normal favorite bands are Petra-solid rock-, Newsboys with their new lead singer-kinda of rock with a urban flavor, Kutless-rock

But I love a Peanuts Christmas with the Vince Guaraldi Trio. Jazz

If you have seen the Peanuts Christmas special they are the real band behind the kids playing.

Last year I heard one song from the CD on the radio and thought "oh yeah, I like that version of the song" So I decided to look for the album. Well, low and behold I got it for Christmas. I don't recall telling anyone even my wife I was thinking for looking for it. But I might have earlier even if I doubt I did.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've got a fondness for some of the oddball stuff that pops up at Christmas time---it's the only time I hear anything by, say, the Royal Guardsmen, or Clyde McPhatter and the Drifters, on the radio.

Of course some really oddball Christmas music that I like never pops up at all. I've got a CD of music by the Fab Four called "Hark!" which, so far, has put a smile on the lips of everybody I've exposed it to. Last two years I've burned CDs of some songs and sent them out as Christmas cards...but you can find them on iTunes, too, I believe.

[edited 'cause a "d" was missing from "oddball."]

[ December 19, 2012, 07:37 AM: Message edited by: Robert Nowall ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
How about the barking dogs' Christmas song?


But speaking of neat songs at this time of the year--this one is more to my usual tastes:

The David Crowder band doing Carol of the Bells. I want to blast the house out with that one.

And I heard a certain song on the radio the other day. They didn't say who did it but it was an instrumental with Spanish guitar through the whole thing.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Also there are certain Christmas songs that don't get treated as Christmas songs. Say, Jim Croce's "It Doesn't Have to Be That Way" or Roy Orbison's (or Willie Nelson's) "Pretty Paper." They were just regular songs on their albums or singles that just happened to involve Christmas themes.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
And then there are all the "winter" songs that could certainly be sung throughout the season, but are only sung at Christmas. That really doesn't make sense to me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I remembered another not-your-traditional Christmas song: Merle Haggard's "If We Make It Through December."
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I just remembered I have an Irish Christmas CD. It's playing now. If you like Irish and Christmas it's Great.

"Irish Country Christmas" The CD cover doesn't list the band only the instruments playing.

And from a discussion on another thread. I was half right. There is a Penny Whistle not Penny Flute as I said.

However if this was a fantasy or UF story it would be only the instruments playing. [Razz]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Speaking of reading and of Dr Bob's multi-genre stories--not that anyone was at the moment--I am reading a certain story in "Hex Appeal" edited by P. N. Elrod, that is a combo of Noir, cyberpunk and paranormal.

Don't think I could write on with that combo, don't think I would want to.


Well, maybe to see what I could come up with.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
I was, LD. [Wink]
Trying to finish my next one before the end of the year--although it is not looking likely as I am on call Christmas week.

Btw, thirty years ago, I wrote two Jewish-themed Christmas stories, one literary and one fantasy based on Christian folklore. Now where did I put those...

Respectfully,
Dr. Bob

[ December 23, 2012, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: History ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
So to all who do Merry Christmas. It's Good.

And more on that on my blog.

Right Here
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I learned Christmas Eve of the death of the actor Jack Klugman. You may know him best as Oscar Madison of the TV show "The Odd Couple"---he did many other things and was usually good in them---and, funny thing, I happened to be watching episodes of "The Odd Couple" on DVD, most of the morning and some of the afternoon, just before I heard the news reports.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
There are some days when you would be surprised on how greatful you were to get out of bed.

This is a Classic Flashmob.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Wishing everybody a Happy 2013!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Wishing everybody a Happy 2013!

Me too


Have a good one and may you have good success in writing and your personal life.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
Our cat Ezra passed away today. Death is, unfortunately, part of my business. And I'm old enough to have witnessed enough in a variety of circumstances that I've come to accept death as a natural part of life.

Thus, I'm surprised at how I'm feeling.
Ezra was a cat, but I feel like I have lost a child (kein en hora).

I'm not a poet (hell, I have enough trouble pretending I can write prose), but I do find writing cathartic, since I tend to keep my emotions strongly reined day-to-day. Thus for those who love their pets, I proffer the following (and remember to show all your loved ones your love and appreciation every day, be they two-footed or four):

Kaddish for Kitty

We'll say kaddish for kitty,
(screw the conventions),
Feline friend, companion child.
Ball of fluff, sleek white, patched tiger gray,
... Waddling across the shelter floor,
Nuzzling our hands where daughter and I sit cross-legged.
Ezra Pound, one should pardon,
Ezra Katz, with such a shayna punim!
Cupped in one hand, struggling to breath,
Eye drops, dropper fed, shower steamed,
Breath clearing, eyes opening,
Playful, pouncing, lunging, leaping,
"Cat-fishing" with toy mouse lures;
Mice armies--but one favorite mousey:
Ragged and chewed, pacifier and blanket, pet's pet.
Work-wearied, worries fade, each night greeted paws to knee,
"Meow-llo!"
Pick me up! Head butt, cuddle!
Purring, purring. Ever purring.
Feeling special, and yet…
ALL who enter, anyone, everyone,
Ezra runs, greets,
"Meow-llo!"
Pick me up! Love me!
Ezra knows no strangers.
Only friends and family does the world contain.
Head butt, purr. Calf sidle, purr. Empty lap? Leap!
Never complaining, ever-loving, ever loved.
Aging, loving, slowing, fading, loving, gone.
Sadly gone, gone.
And with us forever.

Y'hei sh'lama raba min sh'maya
v'chayim aleinu v'al kol yis'ra'eil v'im'ru.

May there be abundant peace from Heaven,
And life (and such unconditional love) upon us all.
Say: Amen.

Respectfully,
Dr. Bob

[ January 03, 2013, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: History ]
 
Posted by mbwood (Member # 9525) on :
 
Dr. Bob;
I understand completely, still missing Miss Toezee, even after she's been gone almost five years. I've had lot of cats but few that developed as close a bond as hers. Your words for Ezra refreshed the memories of how it was. Precious, sad but wonderful as I see her again, like a child wandering back into my heart. Yes, I understand, completely the feelings you expressed in your poem.
mbwood
 
Posted by mayflower988 (Member # 9858) on :
 
Aw, I loved the poem. I've had my cat for almost 13 years. She's not as sweet as Ezra, but I know another cat that I love dearly who is like that. Everyone is a friend. Every lap is her bed. :) I lost a beloved dog once. To this day, I can still feel that sadness. Praying for comfort for you.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
Condolences. My family's cat died last year. We got her when I was in high school, more than 20 years ago, so I empathize. Pets are important members of the family, too.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
My sympathies Dr Bob.

I can relate since we have lost cats also. Pets, of whatever bred, really are like family. So it takes grieving to get over their deaths.

Well stated poem.

Some pro writers have found that it helps to memorialize a pet by putting it in a book. Piers Anthony did that in one of his Xanth novels. Of course you did it with a poem.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thank you, Dr. Bob, and condolences, from one who has out-lived several dearly loved felines.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Dr Bob, I grieve with you. I too have loved and lost so many companions in my years. All brought joy and tenderness, and a glimpse of the unconditional love I could never express so well or so wholeheartedly to my human partners.

I would council you as I know a well known vet here in Australia would. Hugh Worth, former Australian President of the RSPCA would demand that you stop your grieving and get yourself a kitten forthwith and without a moments delay.

Love it, play with it, and remember your recently departed friend and child.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My condolences and sympathies, having been there so many times before.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
Thank you all for your kind words and wishes.
Sabbath blessings,
Dr. Bob
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Well, maybe not a kitten. Maybe an older cat that someone can't keep any longer, for whatever reason (allergies, having to move, military duty).

When my 16-year-old kitty died several months after my 18-year-old kitty died, I didn't think I wanted the opportunity for such sorrow again.

But I realized that I was sadder without a cat than I had expected.

My husband didn't want to have to raise up a kitten, so we looked at finding an older cat, and we did. She's the most civilized cat we've ever had and an absolute dear.
 
Posted by KellyTharp (Member # 9997) on :
 
I am such a woose for my cats. My last one I found abandoned while doing Home Health Therapy. It was a dark and rainy night (no, really), there she was wet, scared and trying to find warmth. All I said was, "Hi, Sweetie" and she ran and leaped onto my shoulder, nuzzing, crying, and begging . . . take me home. No silent meow with Miss Bee Bee. Needless to say, she's now in my arms while I type, under the covers when I sleep, and in my heart. Get a new one, so many need and want homes.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
Thank you all again.
But, sadly, "no."
Mrs. Dr. Bob says no new cat (for now).
Admittedly, she ended up being the primary caretaker even before our daughter went off to college (Ezra was to be our daughter's cat), and my crazy work schedule as an M.D. led to Mrs. Dr. Bob being Ezra's "mom" for everything.
Perhaps when I retire, she may permit me another (she did love Ezra).

On a completely different subject. How many of you have parents or siblings who write and ask you to critique and edit their work?

Respectfully,
Dr. Bob (editing p.159 of 232 of his Dad's newest crime novel).
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ah, me...something this morning cut out every saved "log in" I've been to so far, this site included. At one point things went so slow I had to hit the nuclear option (the off-button) to turn it off, but I've done that before without this happening. (Not that it hasn't happened before.)

Now it's just a matter of looking up my passwords and logging in all over again when I get there.

*****

I've found cats just "happen" in our family's lives...the most recent two at my parents home just wandered up, my mother started feeding them, and they live there now. (There was a third, who wandered up, but wandered away again. We named him "Dion" 'cause he was The Wanderer.)
 
Posted by Corky (Member # 2714) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by History:
On a completely different subject. How many of you have parents or siblings who write and ask you to critique and edit their work?

Well, I have edited my daughters' research papers and other school reports for them. They're out of school now, but the one who went to law school was selected to be on the editorial board of the school's law publication because (she says) I taught her how to write by my editing help.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Corky:
quote:
Originally posted by History:
On a completely different subject. How many of you have parents or siblings who write and ask you to critique and edit their work?

Well, I have edited my daughters' research papers and other school reports for them. They're out of school now, but the one who went to law school was selected to be on the editorial board of the school's law publication because (she says) I taught her how to write by my editing help.
That's neat.

Nice she said it too.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Corky:
quote:
Originally posted by History:
On a completely different subject. How many of you have parents or siblings who write and ask you to critique and edit their work?

Well, I have edited my daughters' research papers and other school reports for them. They're out of school now, but the one who went to law school was selected to be on the editorial board of the school's law publication because (she says) I taught her how to write by my editing help.
That is not what I meant, exactly. But how nice. [Smile]

No, I was (perhaps inappropriately) venting a little as I edit/suggest revisions for my 83 y.o father's ninth crime novel. He loves to write, self-publishes, and even has got his own two dozen groupies, which I think is wonderful for him. And it is because of him I returned to writing three years ago.

Editing/revising a novel like his takes me away from my own attempts at writing for a couple months--and he writes one novel a year! ( oy )
And now he gives me deadlines. ( oy - oy )
[Wink]

But, he's my Dad.
So ...back to work. I've another 70 pages to go.

( oy )

Respectfully,
Dr. Bob
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hmm...far as I know, nobody in my immediate family has ever written anything substantial for publication beyond me. (A distant former once-removed inlaw who I've never met is an editor and has written some non-fiction, but, like I said, I've never met him, and he wouldn't know me from Adam.)

Reading is pretty much the same. My relatives are known to read, sometimes quite a bit---one set of 'em loved Harry Potter---but they don't read like I read, what with piles and piles of books lying around the house growing bigger and bigger every time I make a trip to the bookstore...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Kept forgetting to mention


Saw my first cross dressed Statue of Liberty three days ago.

Seen two more that are the correct gender. One acted like a hippie flashing peace signs to everyone, sort of looked like one too.
 
Posted by KellyTharp (Member # 9997) on :
 
Cross dressed Statue of Liberty . . . where to you live, LDW? As for family writers wanting our time, Dr. H, my niece's new hubby is writing a book on managing one's military career, but he's got a ghost writer (I'm jealous). He did pump me over the holiday's about where I'm published and how did I go about doing it. As for editing, HA, had a neurologist that used to grade my therapy notes in patient charts! Would find things circled in red, so I'm the one asking relatives and friends to edit for me. I can tell stories, it's ... writing Klingon that's hard. Giggle.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ooh, forgot to post, saw my first one last Monday. Same place as last year, in front of the Coralwood Mall. Might've made a second sighting elsewhere, but I didn't go that way on Friday like I usually do 'cause I was sick.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KellyTharp:
Cross dressed Statue of Liberty . . . where to you live, LDW?


I can tell stories, it's ... writing Klingon that's hard. Giggle.

Where a certain tax preparer has a lot of offices...Liberty.

They have people in a Stature of Liberty outfits stand on street corners. Half the time or so it's guys.


And writing in Klingon has been done. [Smile]
Strange New Worlds 2 through 4 I forget which one. But the last story in the book is a short story all in Klingon.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Re: cross-dressing Statues of Liberty...for the benefit of anybody who doesn't know what we're talking about...in the USA, every income-earning resident is required to make a full report of one's income to the Internal Revenue Service, and either pay the tax owed or demand a refund of money paid in excess of that tax. (I'd discuss the notion of that at length, but it'd likely be a political discussion, and weren't we all burned by a couple of them just this past week?)

Determining just what one owes or does not owe can be tricky, and many so-called "tax experts" offer their services in preparing this account. One of these, with offices nationwide, is called, I believe, "Liberty Tax Service."

To attract business---honestly, I can't believe it'd work well enough to draw many people in---and suggested by their name and logo, they hire somebody to stand out on the street and jump around while dressed as the Statue of Liberty. A more degrading entry-level job would be hard to find, though I'm sure they're out there somewhere.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Further comment on the Statues of Cross-Dressing Liberty...I mentioned missing "the other place" where I go by and there they are...well, I managed, and there were two of 'em, a guy and a girl, dancing up a storm (but not with each other).
 
Posted by KellyTharp (Member # 9997) on :
 
Okay, now know what you're talking about. We have them in Oregon. See them while out driving around doing Home Health therapy. Wondered how desperate someone has to be to jump around like the "village idiot" all day. Good cardio work out though! LD - I hear there is actually a Klingon language camp somewhere in the mid east that people can go to. I do hear a lot of it spoken at Dragon Con and marvel that someone has been so Tolkien-ishly creative. I am using Hawaiian dictionary for some of my novels as my alien warriors are actually of that ilk. Been fun learning Hawaiian, just don't ask me to pronounce it!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
As far as I heard someone made the Klingon language for his Doctorate work. And he was hired to do that. Roddenberry or Paramount wanted the actual language.


As to dancing, a lot of people do that these days. Sign twirlers. Some are better dancers than others. Some just hang it out, others play air or cardboard guitar. Evidently some thing it's a neat job they have what it takes to do it well.

One Statue was dancing the other day...not too badly. Not great but not bad as I said.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was somewhat amused to learn the Klingon word for fish was ghoti...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
I was somewhat amused to learn the Klingon word for fish was ghoti...

Somehow I don't think it's pronounced the same.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
In English, they are.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Google ghoti, LDWriter2.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I did...interesting but it didn't sound like it would sound like a Klingon word.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
How the Klingons pronounce it, I don't know...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Tiny tractor beam

Article in the Telegraph
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Saw a wizardist the other day. Just saw her for a small handful of seconds but it looked like she carried a wizard's staff. She was on the side of the road in a motorized wheelchair, one of the newer scooters with a seat or some such. But she held this long piece of wood that looked very much like it was covered with runes.

But they could have been Chinese characters or it could have been an American Indian talking stick.

She notice me staying at her for a moment.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A walking staff is a useful tool in rough terrain, say a good hike, for balance or safety or checking the depth of the water you're trying to walk through. They often make it easier not to go scrambling about on your hands, too. They've fallen somewhat out of fashion for that particular task.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
A month? Has to be the longest span between posts yet for this thread. Anyway...

Looked over the titles of previous Nebula finalist and noticed Orson Scott Card had a novellette titled 'Hatrack River' that was nominated in 1986.

Now that I know where this forum received its name, I'm wondering if anyone read it and if they could give us a quick synopsis about it.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
"... alternative history of frontier America (where) folk magic actually works—dowsers find water and second sight warns of true dangers—and that magic has colored the entire history of the colonies. Alvin, the seventh son of a seventh son, is a Maker, the first to be born in a century. He must learn to use his gift wisely. But dark forces are arrayed against Alvin, and only a young girl with second sight can protect him."

Orson Scott Card
"Hatrack River"
(Alvin Maker series)
© IASFM, Aug 1986

•1987 Asimov's Readers' Poll - Asimov's Reader's Poll -- Novelette (Place: 3)
•1987 Hugo Award - Best Novelette (Nomination)
•1987 Locus Poll Award - Best Novelette (Place: 2)
•1987 Nebula Award - Novelette (Nomination)
•1987 World Fantasy Award - Best Novella (Win)
•1987 SF Chronicle Award - Novelette (Nomination)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was waiting for the month to pass to see and post a rant of my own, but I don't have time this evening.

*****

Actually, I've started to wonder how many people here do understand the connection to "Hatrack River" and Orson Scott Card...I hadn't read the series beyond the stories in Asimov's, but picked it up after hanging out here, and thought it was great...of course I'd read and enjoyed a lot of Card's work, though I've never been fond of "Ender's Game" and have avoided its sequels and permutations...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Interesting--I entered a mini fiction contest, 200 words or less. Since I have been doing a bunch of minis twice in the last six months and since a 50 word story received a HM in a different contest I thought I would enter.
I had to do three tries before I got one under 200 words. The first two are just under and just over 500. I put in too many of the five human senses...still have one more attempt to do another mini even though it's too late for the contest.
That's not the interesting part, it's the lead up.
This is:
I had a dream about the mini contest last night.

I read the winning stories--actually I only got to three before I woke. Don't ask me what they were about I don't recall even though I remember actually reading three.

In the dream they placed each story on a different page. The first one was either 194 or 174 words and was third place or first. The second one I read didn't say, the third one-174 words-confused me because right in the middle of it they put in two lines. Between the lines was a statement that this person had won a life time achievement award-I don't know where he placed in the contest. But he had entered a lot of times. And afterwards I realized that there was more of the story above that announcement, After I read the whole thing I realized why he got a life time award. His story was actually two. Most words were the usual black even though a few were red. The red ones told a different story. It was 12 or so words long.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by History:
"... alternative history of frontier America (where) folk magic actually works—dowsers find water and second sight warns of true dangers—and that magic has colored the entire history of the colonies. Alvin, the seventh son of a seventh son, is a Maker, the first to be born in a century. He must learn to use his gift wisely. But dark forces are arrayed against Alvin, and only a young girl with second sight can protect him."

Orson Scott Card
"Hatrack River"
(Alvin Maker series)
© IASFM, Aug 1986

•1987 Asimov's Readers' Poll - Asimov's Reader's Poll -- Novelette (Place: 3)
•1987 Hugo Award - Best Novelette (Nomination)
•1987 Locus Poll Award - Best Novelette (Place: 2)
•1987 Nebula Award - Novelette (Nomination)
•1987 World Fantasy Award - Best Novella (Win)
•1987 SF Chronicle Award - Novelette (Nomination)

I've seen that one and thought seriously about buying it...can't recall why I didn't. Something to do with this Seventh son of a Seventh son maybe.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
I was waiting for the month to pass to see and post a rant of my own, but I don't have time this evening.

*****

Actually, I've started to wonder how many people here do understand the connection to "Hatrack River" and Orson Scott Card...I hadn't read the series beyond the stories in Asimov's, but picked it up after hanging out here, and thought it was great...of course I'd read and enjoyed a lot of Card's work, though I've never been fond of "Ender's Game" and have avoided its sequels and permutations...

Well, some people come here by link, I came the hard way by looking through the larger OSC forum.


And I too aren't that interested in the Enders Game sequels, etc. I thought I read the book but if I did I seem to have forgotten certain details.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
I was going to post a random musing about productivity being inversely proportional to the amount of free time available, but this current topic is far less pointless.

I enjoy OSC's science fiction more than his fantasy, so I'm all about the Ender Universe. Nothing wrong with his fantasy though; it's just that I like his style of writing science fiction much more than others I've come across. And I always find some truths in his work that open my eyes a little more to the world. His writing has played a part in shaping who I am as a person.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I should say, back in the days when I was an avid reader of the SF magazines, I looked forward to seeing Card's short fiction when it appeared---and, once, as I occasionally do with writer, I dug through all my old issues and read and reread every story I could find. [Learning experience? Not certain...]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I have read some of his shorter pieces that I like.

He is a talented writer--storyteller.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Wonder about some people and what they know.

Our cat has collar complete with noise maker. A neighbor made a comment about it and I said "Yeah, we belled the cat." She just stared at me for a moment.

She wasn't that young either.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ah, yes. I saw part of the movie Despicable Me with my niece and nephew (I'd seen it before by myself), and pointed out that the newscaster seen in a couple of scenes was probably a parody of Keith Olbermann, then on MSNBC. They had no idea who Keith Olbermann was. (Heh-heh-heh.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yesterday I popped my Blu-Ray disc of The Hobbit, just bought the day before, into my player, and prepared to settle down and watch it. But the damned thing wouldn't play!

At first I thought it was the disc, brand-new but defective, but then I noticed a high-pitched faint whine from the disc player. Suspicious character that I am, I popped in several other Blu-Ray discs, ones I'd played before---and none would play!

That means a trip to the electronics store, first chance I get, for a decent player. (I've got a cheaper one, still in its box, but I'd planned to put that on my bedroom TV---once I got a cheap HDTV in there.)

I'll just have to wait it out and make due with DVDs---which, to pile another indignity on, will still play in my Blu-Ray player.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
The tribulations of being an early adopter.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I thought I got it relatively late in the game, much like computers. However, nothing lasts forever, and these high-end electronics things are worse than most at lasting. (I had (still have) a VCR that could have been fixed with one simple plastic part---a part the company did not stock.)
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
I thought I got it relatively late in the game, much like computers. However, nothing lasts forever, and these high-end electronics things are worse than most at lasting. (I had (still have) a VCR that could have been fixed with one simple plastic part---a part the company did not stock.)

Flea markets and pawn shops are the friend of the traditionalist. Until/unless the Supreme Court rules that we don't own our own property.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Matter of time. I've got one working VCR, not plugged in or connected right now, and a buttload of tapes lying around not being watched.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
I am very tired of weekend snow. This is the third time in five weeks that I will be driving to work in a snowstorm.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Can I please have that snow? I will give you an 88 degree Monday complete with overbearing sunshine, clouds sold separately.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hey, testnota, that's my line. Except I'm not sure if it will be quite that hot here. [Wink]


I came here to say send some of those clouds over here we most be the only area in the US getting less rain than usual.

But maybe not.
 
Posted by JenniferHicks (Member # 8201) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tesknota:
Can I please have that snow? I will give you an 88 degree Monday complete with overbearing sunshine, clouds sold separately.

Deal! We've had just shy of 24 inches here this month, which is twice the average amount for March. My kids are on spring break, and I'd love for them (and me) to have some spring.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Came here to rant at myself.


I seem to have lost last week's rejection from F&SF.

I have to skip this week because the story isn't ready but I was thinking about a story I got ready last week--couldn't remember if I sent it out so thought I could send it tomorrow in the place of the one I'm working on. However all signs say I sent it after all. Can't find the rejection however.
So did I not put it where I usually do or did I not get it? I kinda of remember getting it--another self rant. Too many rejections from F&SF, I'm having problems keeping them separate in my mind.

Of course if I didn't receive it that doesn't mean anything except my memory.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
That's why it's important to keep notes on where and when you send something out. I've got years of 'em (though a big hunk of submissions in the 1990s and early 2000s went south along with the computer disk it was on.)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I do keep track that's how I know I sent it even though I couldn't remember.

But I realized I may not have received it yet, it depends on who looks it over. Scott P takes a few days longer than Stephen does. Or that what's her name did. Couldn't find a rejection from her to remember her name.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
So got the responses I thought I had already.

Actually, I have gotten it already. Just like last week's except for the title of the story. Scott didn't think much of the story he left the space for a comment blank.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I am dwelling upon a quandry. In regard to the immortal line about "ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties and things that go bump in the night", I am puzzled. I can see why ghoulies, ghosties, and things that go bump in the night could be a cause for concern. But why long-legged beasties? Is it possible that the author was terrorized by a rampant stork in their youth?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rcmann:
I am dwelling upon a quandry. In regard to the immortal line about "ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties and things that go bump in the night", I am puzzled. I can see why ghoulies, ghosties, and things that go bump in the night could be a cause for concern. But why long-legged beasties? Is it possible that the author was terrorized by a rampant stork in their youth?

I always thought it was a certain type of beastie but I don't know maybe it only fit with the rhythm. Or there used to be long legged beasties that went with ghoulies and we don't know what they were anymore.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"From ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties and things that go bump in the night, good Lord deliver us." Old Cornish prayer.

I think it's the internal rhythm of the line that kept it in the subconscious of English-speakers; other than that I can shed no light on the matter.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
Rabbits. Musta been rabbits.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
spiders
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Or, you could just chalk it up to "poetic license" and the need to have it "scan" nicely, as Robert Nowall suggests.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Some Further Adventures in Blu-Ray.

Well, I did buy another Blu-Ray player...it wasn't much money, really, compared to some of the electronics junk I've bought in the past. I figured I'd pull my old one out and connect it up with the same cables.

But I found out that (a) this model wouldn't connect with the coaxial cables and RCA connectors I've been using, and (b), the high-speed HDMI connector needed wasn't actually included in the package. (Now I know why it was sold so cheap---why most of the other models were so cheap, too.)

It works, I've tried out a couple of Blu-Ray discs in it...and soon as I can block out a few hours I'll have a go at The Hobbit, which is where this started.

But, like I said, it's a cheap model, and not without its problems. The picture (but not the audio) drops out on the picture-in-picture my TV has. And it doesn't seem to have some of the features my older (broken) model had.

I'll go on looking for a high-end model, maybe even online. I've bought a lot of stuff online that I can't get over-the-counter lately, but that's a subject for another rant another day...
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
I've a week off and I'm skiing, reading, writing, and just enjoying myself.

Tonight I have the place to myself and I turned off the lights, turned up the volume and watched James Cameron's 2009 hit film Avatar, the 3 hour extended Director's cut. I hadn't seen it since its theatrical release, where I had the opportunity to view it in IMAX 3D (the only 3D movie that I've felt was worth the higher ticket price). Even though I'd seen the film before, and I was watching the film only on a 32inch HDTV flatscreen tonight, I was still mesmerized, thoroughly entertained.

The story is not original. It is the archetypal hero epic that I believe resonates within our genetic memory and with the human need for the triumph of a just cause, of what is good and right and selfless over what is evil and wrong and selfish, of what spiritually sustains us and makes life worth living. I never get tired of such tales.

What makes this oft-told tale worth watching is the wondrous world-building: the eye-entrancing (soul entrancing) landscapes, fully-realized alien biosphere, Navi culture and language and custom and faith. Color, perspective, sound, music, life. All the senses we seek to engage as storytellers. Great stuff.

Respectfully,
Dr. Bob

[ April 02, 2013, 11:09 PM: Message edited by: History ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Can I come with you?


Seriously have fun.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Dr Bob, did it never occur to you to wonder why the Navi only have four limbs while all the other animal lifeforms seem to have six limbs. A mistake that Jim or his advisers should have noticed. Look around at life on this planet.

Phil.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
I think I did subconsciously, Phil, but did not let it interfere with my being swept away by the film.

However, on reflection, it suggests the possibility that the Navi are not native to Pandora, but settled there and bioadapted. Perhaps they were once like us (their human antagonists) but learned better, thus indicating there is hope for our own species (as foreshadowed in Jake, Grace, Norman, and the others who "go native" in the film).

I think this would be a great story for a prequel.

Respectfully,
Dr. Bob
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
The story is not original.
An understatement if there ever was one. Somewhere 'round here are earlier comments on why I didn't go to see this or get a DVD or whatever and watch it at home...I won't bore you with a rehashing of it all. But read Poul Anderson's "Call Me Joe" and look for similarities.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
quote:
The story is not original.
An understatement if there ever was one. Somewhere 'round here are earlier comments on why I didn't go to see this or get a DVD or whatever and watch it at home...I won't bore you with a rehashing of it all. But read Poul Anderson's "Call Me Joe" and look for similarities.
Then I think you've missed out, Robert.
At my age, and after decades of reading and studying literature, I agree with John Steinbeck who wrote in East of Eden:

"We have only one story. All novels, all poetry, are built on the neverending contest in ourselves of good and evil."

Such retold tales resonate powerfully with us and, I believe when done well, in retelling the one story in an original way, they can be powerfully moving and successful. And, by any standard of measurement, I must admit JC's Avatar was successful. I like to learn from such success.

Respectfully,
Dr. Bob
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I'll also add that I've got 90,000 words written of a story that is similar to Avatar, even to the bellicose military fool taking over. That's why I've put it on the back0burner of re-thinking.

Phil
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'll remember that the next time I get a comment back saying my story is unoriginal.

I have other reasons to avoid Avatar---life's too short, for one. Another is the matter of the story doesn't resonate with me like it did with Cameron's previous movie (Titanic). Also there's the report that Cameron makes US soldiers thoroughgoing bad guys---something that never will please me.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
We all sing in different voices.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Also there's the report that Cameron makes US soldiers thoroughgoing bad guys---something that never will please me.

The hero is a disabled marine.
The villains are selfish single-mindedness, xenophobia, arrogance, and the lack of appreciation of the environment and beauty.

The movie is a cinematic triumph that leaps so far ahead of anything that has gone before that it is worth watching for this alone. Truly a visual spectacle.

Respectfully,
Dr. Bob
(former Major, US Army)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
I'll remember that the next time I get a comment back saying my story is unoriginal.

I have other reasons to avoid Avatar---life's too short, for one. Another is the matter of the story doesn't resonate with me like it did with Cameron's previous movie (Titanic). Also there's the report that Cameron makes US soldiers thoroughgoing bad guys---something that never will please me.

Yeah, I've heard the same thing. The bad guy uses the military to invade the peaceful planet.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Of course, that would never happen, would it? Umm, err, yeah, right. The 'Company' hires ex-soldiers, known colloquially as mercenaries. However, governments have been known to use their 'hired muscle' for economic gain. The British Empire springs first to mind, followed closely by most other European powers. Then we come to the cold war. So, let's not be fooled. Men and women with guns are a means to an end, they are not there to provide humanitarian aid; although they can, and certainly do.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Computer problems kept me away till now. Something called "svchost.exe" kept using more and more memory usage, making things go slower and slower---only happened when the damned computer was connected to the high-speed line (I don't leave it plugged in.) No idea why it did what it did, or for that matter, what it actually is and does and is supposed to do.

I worked through several things and finally found something that, apparently, corrected it, this morning, after about two hours---which leaves me too rushed today to add more comment on the ongoing Avatar posts. Tomorrow for sure.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Sounds like it's fixed but you sure someone didn't turn your device in a zombie computer?
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
svchost.exe is a MS Windows system file, integral to the OS. Note the curse of death, 'MS Windows'. it might be a virus. or it might simply be MS Windows acting like MS Windows.

The only possible escape is to use a real operating system like GNU Linux, or one of its offspring such as Apple's OS, or ChromeOS. I use Linux because I prefer to keep things simple, but to each their own.

Otherwise, such plagues will continue ad infinitum. My heartfelt sympathy.
 
Posted by KellyTharp (Member # 9997) on :
 
I agree that the story of Avatar was trite but also agree that one can't beat the beautiful CGI work that was done on it. The colorful world of the Navi and the flying bird/reptile scenes . . .wow. I still watch it every so often for the beauty of the film and try to ignore the cook-book story arc. KT
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I have seen scenes from Avatar and I would agree with Kelly.

The scenery is almost worth watching the movie.


Oh, the story is trite not just because of the use of the military but because the bad guy is the head of a company who will kill and destroy for profit. Yes, it has happened but it's also overused.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Not absent again from computer problems, but just real busy...tomorrow's my day off and I'm sure I'll post my thoughts then. (Barring catastrophe.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
And...I've got time right now. I don't know why my life gets so busy during the course of it---a lot of the time I don't seem to be actually doing anything---but it does keep me away from writing and the Internet for hours of it.

Anyway...

*****

Beyond the "US Marines as villains" motif, Avatar also does the "noble savage" routine---I've never bought into the notion that those who live in primitive cultures or societies are somehow morally and ethically superior to those who come from a more sophisticated milieu.

I have a fondness for The Searchers---not my favorite John Wayne movie, but up there among the favorites---where the Indians are brutally savage, as are the cowboys-cavalry-settlers. In a way, despite the presence of Wayne the archetypical American hero on screen, there aren't any heroes or villains among the inhabitants of the movie. Just human beings.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I have to agree about the myth of the noble savage. That one always did gripe me. Technological sophistication is irrelevant to ethical sophistication, in my opinion.

Ethical sophistication is, again in my opinion, a function of its efficiency at promoting group survival. In other words, a behavior pattern is ethical if it promotes group survival, it is shameful if it threatens group survival. The behavior patterns may, or may not, be consciously recognized by the group members who practice them. It has nothing to do with how much technical knowledge a culture possesses.

For example, the mass slaughter of the american bison by white settlers in the 19th century was subjectively ethical behavior at the time, because it promoted the survival of euro-american culture. Not only did it provide euro-america with a plentiful supply of cheap meat and hides, it also deprived their enemies of the same things and expedited the ongoing campaign of conquest.

When the conquest was effectively completed, and the survival of the bison was recognized to be threatened, such behavior became unethical because it no longer expedited group survival. Instead, it threatened the potential usefulness of the american bison for future generations of euro-americans. Therefore, the ethical system was adjusted to reflect the change in circumstance.

The "savages" who had previously hunted the bison did not harvest them according to some pre-calculated plan designed to maintain the herds. They hunted them as effectively as their technology allowed, and it was this that prevented them from over hunting the herds. Not some ethical superiority. When the plains amerindians gained horses, heir hunting methods, and consequently their kill ratios, increased. When they gained firearms, the kill ratios went up even more. They didn't kill as many as the euro-americans, because there weren't nearly as many amerindians as there were white men and there were no amerindian locomotives to provide shooting platforms.

Recall the cave in Europe containing the site of a paleolithic mammoth butchering and processing facility. There were literally hundreds of mammoth skeletons all neatly sorted and stacked along the cliff and in the cave. The cave people simply drove the herds off the cliff, butchered the carcasses, and went on with their lives. hardly a selective method of harvesting.

Amerindians also engaged in fire drives and cliff drives when hunting, btw. At least until they got guns.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Glad this time when hatrack was offline was only a hiccough.

Last time it was offline for over a week.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Okay, something interesting

My wife was doing something in the kitchen as I walked by.

She said, "God," in a tired voice.

I said, "Yes?"

Took me a second to get what I had just said, she never did.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Can we tell religious jokes now? Well, Jesus said [MATERIAL SELF-CENSORED UNTIL SOME CLARIFICATION IS GIVEN, BUT THE PUNCHLINE IS:] "Sometimes you piss me off, Mom."
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Meant to bring up Sunday's hiccup yesterday, but a busy day, culminating in current events, kept me offline till now.

I got the page saying the domain name had expired, "and would you like to buy it?" Which gave me the wicked idea of buying it and presenting it to The Authorities Here as a gift. But it was back up before long.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I was mildly concerned that some squatter might have scooped it up in retribution for OSC's political leanings. More distantly fetched things have happened.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I bought it, and I own it now. BWAA HA HA HA!

I'm just kidding... Although, I never look away from a chance to laugh maniacally.

We just moved, and the previous owners left their cat.

Yay for free cats!

Also, they left their mice problem...

Yay for free cats!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I dreamt of the last Dresden File book. In the dream I saw the last paragraph and amazingly enough I can still recall it--pretty much.

Hey, the last Dresden dream I had was him on TV--that was before the TV series.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I love that. I often have dreams that end up predicting the future. Nothing big, just interesting enough to wonder if I'm psychic, or if it's just a coincidence.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Quiz time! What does shimiqua's hamsters feet smell like?
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Answer: hamster's feet, I'd guess--or well aged stilton cheese.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Only once did anything I dreamed seem like a psychic vision. Way back when I was a kid---yeah, I was a kid once---I dreamed of being in a new school and meeting this other kid. A while later, I was attending a new school and meeting someone that was a pretty close match for the kid in my dreams.

After all these years, I might've distorted some of the details, but it still seemed pretty close.

(Better than the dreams I have now---I really hate it when I dream of my job. What good are dreams if you don't escape your real life? Though it's better than the "filthy toilet" dream.)
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
You need a vacation.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Going on one in about a week---a "staycation," most likely. Home, with maybe a couple of days somewhere else. Where the living is easy and the toilets get cleaned every so often.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Forgot to mention last week when I noticed, but, with American Tax Day come and gone, the Dancing Miss Liberties have packed up their togas and left the sides of the road, too...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Going on one in about a week---a "staycation," most likely. Home, with maybe a couple of days somewhere else. Where the living is easy and the toilets get cleaned every so often.

We--as in me and my wife-invented them. 28 years or more with paid vacations and never gone anywhere.

Someone else named it though.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Massive computer failure, and efforts to correct it, have pretty much shut me down all day. I managed just now to get online. Involved reloading everything and starting over---I saved my documents and such beforehand, but I'm sure some stuff disappeared in the process. Still working on it...though I'll have to stop 'cause I'm going away for a couple of days starting tomorrow.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I've got things working---kinda. Been away from Thursday morning to Saturday afternoon, so I couldn't do anything till then.

But every correction seems to create its own problems.

My AOL programs are really messed up, for one...the one I was using disappeared and I had to delete it...an older one is problematic and a newly-downloaded one has a strange (and nearly unworkable) way of displaying Favorite Places...and just now (on the older one) my Favorite Places scrambled up. Internet Explorer required an update, which required updating other things---and I'm not sure whether I should just dump it and switch to something else. (I got and was using Google Chrome part of this morning for something else.) I haven't addressed my iTunes account yet---not that I've ordered anything lately, not since my last backup of that, but whether anything I had is still there.

It's still dreadful tough going, I mean, for a guy whose knowledge about computer fixes would fit in a thimble...and writing, which I'd hope to advance mightily in the course of this vacation, has been impossible while I untangle this. (I don't want to write something only to lose it in the shuffle of, say, changing computers or reloading software---and I don't want to do another backup until I'm sure what I'll be doing.)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Man I think you have more problems than most people with the internet. My wife is almost as bad. She has more problems in a week than I do in a six month. And she doesn't have iTunes or AOL.

If you have a back up device-flash drive, Disk, hard drive-try writing directly to the device.
 
Posted by babooher (Member # 8617) on :
 
Robert, have you thought about using Google Docs (or Drive) as a place to store writings while you're working out hardware problems? Security to me means diversity. I save on hard drive, flash, and in the cloud.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've got my documents file backed up onto an HP 32GB flash drive right now...near as I can tell, the documents stayed on my computer despite it all, but I've been too busy fiddling with my computer to access them. (My iTunes is backed up on first-of-the-year DVD disks. Also an iPod, but I don't know if you can reverse the flow of info with that.)

(Downloading also involved a lot of stuff I really didn't need, but haven't had time to "thin out" and delete. Took about an hour and a half.)

I thought there was an issue about ownership of what you store with the Cloud and Google Docs...we were discussing it awhile back somewhere round here, but I may have misremembered matters.

Right now I'm using AOL 9.0...I was using 9.6, and liked that (especially its ability to open multiple sites in one browser), but that disappeared and seems to be no longer available...I downloaded 10.1, but that has a lot of pecularities I haven't yet worked through. There's a 9.7 that does seem to be available, and I may grab that---sometime soon.

I'm thinking of getting a laptop and writing with that...but I like my ergonomic keyboard and don't know if I can get one with a laptop...anybody know the answer to that?

Alas, the rest of my life intrudes, even if I am on a three-week vacation. I've got to get ready to go out and weedwhack and mow the lawn...I hope I don't have as much trouble with that as I have with my computer...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Good you had things backed up.

But doesn't AOL have tech support?

As to the keyboard I think I've heard you can, or be able to use a different keyboard. That would be a little hard if you have to take it places but that could be worked out.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I queried AOL about a couple things but have yet to hear back---at this point, I keep it 'cause of my established online identity and e-mail address.

I think I'm gonna get that replacement computer tower after all, maybe later today. Too many freezeups, too many sites that won't load properly...me with no idea what to do to correct it...best to start over, I think. Big inconvenience...and the hardware itself is about, oh, seven years old and I've replaced all the peripheral equipment along the way. So what if it's somewhat obsolete in these latter days.

See y'all on the other side---through my dinky Nook Color, if nothing else.

*****

Actually, I've long thought of getting a laptop in addition to my regular computer---I can afford both, and, way back when I worked on a little portable one-lung word processor, I could lay down and type on it in bed---if I went for a laptop, I can do that, which might improve my word output, maybe.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
If you can afford the laptop think about a iPad with a keyboard.
I know someone with both and last time he said anything he loves it, even takes it with him to writing meetings. It's a cordless keyboard as I recall and you can get a stand to hold the iPad. Of course that might be hard while laying in bed [Big Grin] but still something to think about.


BTW I can't do that, I move around too much. I read on the bed but I end up on my back holding the book up, kinda hard to do that with a laptop. [Smile]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I did it. Bought a new computer. Plugged in all my old stuff, and went from there. I'm still feeling my way through the new stuff and the new layouts---I guess I'll have to download a proper AOL program again, too, 'cause I haven't yet found one on the computer---but I made it here, at least for right now, and was able to log in and type this out. Further details as they emerge.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
One thing I can't find on the screen---the off-switch. Ah, well...I know where the computer keeps its power cord...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Found the off-switch...but my computer does not seem to have the Microsoft Works word processing program my files were all done in. So I'm done in till I can see what I can download.

Some of you guys have said, off and on, a lot of harsh things about Works. (I thought of several when I realized it wasn't there.) Any more opinions? Alternatives?
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Robert, try Open Office, it'll read and save in most file formats--even Apple, or is that Mac?

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Trying to figure out which new program handles word processing has eluded me. Word? Excel? Office? Something else? Or is it some word processing program bundled with one or all of 'em?

A brief foray to check out what was in an office supply store was somewhat alarming. I guess these days you don't by a box with the disks in it...you just buy a card with numbers on it and then download it at home. Well, I figure I'd just do it directly, if at all...

Worse comes to worse, I'll find a space for my old computer and just use that...but I'd rather much use this one...
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
You have an almost dizzying array of word processing choices. I recommend getting several and trying them all, until you find one that you like.

Microsoft works is, or was, essentially a stripped down version of Microsoft Office. It was designed for systems that had limited resources and/or users who had limited budgets. Microsoft Office will do everything that Works would do and a hell of a lot more besides. Perhaps too much more. Microsoft Office is THE industry standard for office software, in just about every industry in the world. MS Word is the word processing program, but it's all a bundled package.

You can purchase the latest version if you want. I personally have a copy of Office 2003 that my daughter gave me (she upgraded and a got the leftovers). It reads every file format I have tried, with no problems at all. You can find copies online, or in thrift stores/flea markets/etc. for fairly cheap. Or comparatively cheap anyway.

There are two open source alternatives that are both very popular. The original one is Open Office. It was started by Sun Microsystems several years ago as a deliberate smack in the face at Microsoft. They wanted to produce an office suite that would do everything MS Office would do, and offer it for free. Simple inter-company command attack. The results were less than stellar, but it worked.

Eventually Star put their office suite on the internet as an open source project. Open source means that anyone in the world who wants to can tinker with the source code and make modifications. There is no proprietary barriers. It is free software in the truest sense. Not only can you use it any way you please, you can re-write it, re-package it, re-name it, or whatever the hell you want as long as you provide proper documentation of where it came from and include reference to all the people who came before you in the project. In principle it's kind of like posting fan fiction to a free site and turning the crowd loose with it.

Anyway, Sun Microsystem's office suite became Open Office. Open Office took off like a rocket. partly because every hacker on earth relished the challenge (ok, not every hacker, but thousands of them), and partly because a lot of major corporations liked the idea of getting a fully functional office suite for free, instead of paying Microsoft millions of dollars everything they had to upgrade.

Eventually the project split, due to arguments over project management style.

Now there are two major branches. One is the original Open Office. The other is called LibreOffice.

At the moment, LibreOffice is getting the most attention and the biggest donations because it had drawn the hi-powered talent away from Open Office. It upgrades frequently.

Open Office recently received a major donation from IBM in the form of its own office suite, which is being integrated directly into Open Office.

Thing is, both OpenOffice and LibreOffice use each other's files, and trade information back and forth. best option if to pick one and ride with it. OpenOffice is more stable, LibreOffice is more current.

Another Word Processing option that I like is called RoughDraft. It's a pure word processor, designed by a writer for writers to use. It lacks many bells and whistles, and it only saves in txt or RTF formats. But it offers other advantages that I personally like.

Beyond that point, god help you. There are hundreds of them out there. All free. Google and dive in.

Two other programs deserve mention. One is called Scrivener, and it's designed to expedite the organization and composition of novels and screenplays. It's cheap, and its available for both Windows and Mac. Another one is yWriter5, it does the same thing that Scrivener does, and it's free. You might want to look at them. Despite advertising, neither of them are worth a fart in a windstorm when it comes to word processing, but they are both useful if you are the kind of person who likes to have help keeping their thoughts organized. I don't use them. I prefer the cluttered shoebox method. But to each their own.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Thanks for the concrete information, rcmann...one of my main concerns is the ability to open and work with the files I've created already. (Tried opening what I've got on WordPad and NotePad---no good at all.) Probably I'll go with familiarity and the current Office program.

(Also I miss Microsoft Works Calendar---I print up a page with a month on it and note my literary activities as I go along. If I can do that with something on this computer, I haven't yet figured it out.)

(Also also...I bought a "Windows 8 For Dummies" book yesterday, but haven't yet thumbed through it. I downloaded an AOL program to function here...but I don't want to mess up my computer with too much clutter. It's working so fast and so well right now...)
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
MS Office has a calender. Somewhere. Older versions had something called Outlook. What they call it these days is beyond me.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I went with familiarity, and bought and downloaded Microsoft Office (Home and Business), which has Word, which can open my old programs so far.

One thing, too: Now I know why the computer was relatively cheap compared to my previous computers---nothing is loaded on it. I had to put AOL on it, as well as Office. I'll have to put any games I want (like Solitaire) on it, as well as iTunes when I get around to it.

Ah, I remember when I bought my first computer...I went out pricing word-processing programs, not realizing for a couple days that they were already on my computer. Now the exact reverse is true---I expected them to be on it and they weren't.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Here's an interesting question from Google+

AmyBeth InvernessMay 10, 2013 - Discussion
SciFi Question of the Day: Which JJ Abrams production could be improved by replacing the entire cast with the characters from Peanuts (AKA Charlie Brown and Snoopy) and who would play which parts?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Here's something---not about my computer problems---but odd enough in itself.

I've got a quirky memory that plays tricks on me. The other night, in one of those before-I-fall-asleep moments, I was thinking about my current story, and I remembered I had sent a story out just a few weeks ago. You guys might remember me agonizing about it here and there, how I was held up for a long time by not coming up with some lyrics for a song in it, that I'd been working on one version or another of it for some ten to fifteen years.

Well, I remembered the story, and that I'd submitted it---but, for the life of me, I couldn't remember its title or what it was about. Odd, huh?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I've have similar memory problems.

Just the other day I completely forgot that I sent a story to DailySF. I sent a new one and the next day received a rejection. I thought boy that was very quick but it turned out to be for a different story. Once I sent in a while back. Somehow I forgot to list it in my files.


And a month or five weeks ago I could not recall which story I sent in for Q1 at WotF. Not the title, nor what it was about. The only reason I remembered the writer was because it was me.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I could use some info and decided to place the request here since hopefully it will only a take a post or three.


Does anyone know a good solid African last name? Maybe from one of the nations you don't hear about much.
 
Posted by Rolag (Member # 10084) on :
 
LDWriter2 wrote
SciFi Question of the Day: Which JJ Abrams production could be improved by replacing the entire cast with the characters from Peanuts (AKA Charlie Brown and Snoopy) and who would play which parts?

I haven't seen all his work. How about Super 8?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Re: African last names. I checked out http://namesite.com/ which seems to have a selection, organized by ethnicity, country, or the alphabet.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Re: African last names. I checked out http://namesite.com/ which seems to have a selection, organized by ethnicity, country, or the alphabet.

Thanks, I saved the link, but I didn't find a way to see if a name is first or last.
 
Posted by Rolag (Member # 10084) on :
 
LDWriter2: Re African last names, how about Effanga or Akingbola? Saw them in the credits of a TV show.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Finally remembered to respond.

The names sound good to me --you know what country they are from?
 
Posted by KellyTharp (Member # 9997) on :
 
LD - I just googled baby names african and this is just one of the web sites. Lots and lots of names here - boys and girls. Have fun. KT

http://www.babynames.com/african-baby-names.php
 
Posted by Rolag (Member # 10084) on :
 
LDWriter2, ref African names - I think Effanga and Akingbola are both Nigerian names.
 
Posted by Badger (Member # 3490) on :
 
LDWriter2: I'd recommend just picking a suitably lesser-known African country and then googling their football (i.e. Soccer team.)

For example, here's the Benin team:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_national_football_team
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Just spent half an hour or so on my Nook even though it wasn't planned. There is a Reader thread here somewhere but I don't want to spend the time looking for it.


Anyway, I wanted to upload--or is that share--Dr. Bob's book he was kind enough to send me. I used a magic trick and transformed into a PDF file and wanted to see how it worked on the Nook. To do that I have to hook my Nook to my computer. (Hmmm, maybe not but more on that in a minute). So everything went fine but it didn't show up on my "shelves" So I turned off the Nook, waited a few second turned it back on. Still not in the right place...other PDF files just showed up there. So I went looking for it, while looking I found two other files I had forgotten I had. One was a E-book written by someone here. I was suppose to read it and make a review, I forgot but I wouldn't have been able to find it anyway. Now it's on my shelf. '

I also found an E-mail app. I had planned on getting one they suggested, but I can't remember actually doing it but there was one. Wow, so I spent some time setting up two of my E-mail accounts. Now is when I explain the comment about more on that in a minute. Just thought, if I can read and send E-mail I should be able to download files from said E-mail. I need to experiment with that and see if it works and how it works if it does.

Oh, I found Dr. Bob's novel and placed it on one of my shelves. I can open it even though instead of scrolling sideways I have to go up and down. And I have enlarge the print too. So I can read his novel even though not quite as easily as with the usual novel files.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I found I liked looking at Internet Fan Fiction---my own and others---on my Nook Color. But the main site I looked at is now dead and gone (after about fifteen years of furious activity), and, though they're available elsewhere online, I haven't gotten them.

I wouldn't mind having my own literary efforts (fanfic and regular) directly on my Nook Color without having to go online through it, but, as you might gather from my recent posts about my computer problems...I don't have the slightest idea of how to go about it.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
There are programs available, free, that will let you duplicate a web page onto your hard drive. They are almost all designed to be idiot-proof.

I will refrain from offering suggestions or pointing you to any specifics. Sometimes it is legal to do this, sometimes it is not. Again, I refrain from commenting further.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
While writing a story I realized something I didn't know-not about writing in this case. Did the space shuttle have any designations? I mean a name or number for the whole group. Something like the Starhawks or P-51 mark threes.

There was a new shuttle they were testing--they almost made it into construction, as far as I could tell they only needed a test flight in space but they canceled it before that. It had a number, I forget what is was at the moment even though I still have pictures of its first atmospheric flights but I would have to find them. You could say there goes a P-*** shuttle or maybe even a mini shuttle. But as far as I can ever recall hearing there was nothing for The Space Shuttle.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Space Transportation System, or STS for short. Individual flights had their own numbers---STS-1, STS-2, and so on---and not always in sequence.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Thanks,


But does that mean some time in the next fifty to a hundred years looks out a porthole and says "Hey, that's a mock up of an original STS?"
Or "Space holes, after that resurgence of the STS design every ship out there looks like one."
 
Posted by kmsf (Member # 9905) on :
 
Would it be cool to have your character wonder aloud with a companion? Still remember watching it piggy-backing on a 747 over the pool on a summer day in Fairfax, VA. 1978. I'll never forget the thought that, "Thank God we can still do *something* right in this country." A nice shot in the arm for the country IMHO.

I can confirm the missions were designated as Robert described. Not sure of the designation of individual shuttles, though.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
We've a couple of right thing since, not as many as we used to but still some.


Anyway, I'm working on learning how to Indie publish. Some people say it's easy but so far they seem to be hiding the instructions from me.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
What are you trying to publish, and where are you trying to publish it?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I have Four story sets ready to go when I figure it out and I am speeding-on a road with a lot of speed bumps-along on a UF novel I plan to e-publish. After that there's a Space Opera and three other UF novels well one or two might be more paranormal but in different directions. Probably more story sets too.

All through smashwords since they distribute through all the major systems--one I'm not sure if I've heard about. Of course to do that they have to be in good shape with spelling, etc.

The story sets are different genre general SF, fantasy, western, general fiction. There could be a SO and a UF set too.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Something between yesterday and today logged me off everything I was logged on to online. I don't understand the whys and wherefores of this, but it has happened two or three times since I got this computer. Have I got something on I should turn off, or is it something else altogether?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
An idea for writing. National Park on the moon.
 
Posted by KellyTharp (Member # 9997) on :
 
LD - I can recommend Smashwords. The main challenge is the formatting. Download the formatting book and follow it page by page and you'll have it. I love being able to tell people my e-books are in any format they want at Smashwords. And thanks to their distribution I have sold in Barnes and Noble, Sony store, i tunes, and one of my reviews was from Germany. I would love it if they had line-by-line editing as that is the main problem with my first novel. I lived with the words so long that I just missed too many typos. Friends who edited for free for me tried but they weren't professional editors. Luckily, you can upload new versions if you need to fix things. I am currently reworking book one as my writing has improved and some sections just need cleaning up. Good luck.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Thanks for the advice Kelly but I was planning on using them. Once I get the covers down, that is. They are the ones that suggested GIMP--which I talk about on my blog listed over on the Blog thread.

It's more of a pain than they suggested probably because I can't download the Web manual without some type of plug in. But that's all mixed in on my last seven Vacation Updates.

I will be doing a pro cover for the Novel--novels in the future but one right now. But I have four story sets I also want to do.

I may try Kickstarter to pay for a pro copy editor and cover. And I probably should have the story sets looked over too but that would be with volunteers because I don't want to pay for them to be edited.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
TV commercials love to reuse old songs---hook people by nostalgia, I guess---but I think also there's also a strong element of revulsion as well, say, like "stealing a part of my life."

There's this ad for a railroad that uses, of all things, a rewritten version of "Conjunction Junction." Some of you may remember the old "Schoolhouse Rock" song---the point of them all was to use the technique of commercial jingle writing to get the idea across. In this case, originally, it's grammar.

But not it's not selling that, it's selling a railroad---and revulsion doesn't begin to describe how irritating I find it.
 
Posted by KellyTharp (Member # 9997) on :
 
LD - I too downloaded GIMP. It took a lot of trial and error to get the hang of it. I ended up using Xara Photo & Graphics designer to do my covers. It's much easier to learn and I liked their "make my own web site" designer package. It worked for me - a village idiot - and Xara gives you a free posting site for your web site. Both programs can do more than I can do with them, for someone more experience. That said, I am thinking about having a redesign of my book covers by one of Smashword's recommended cover designers. You can see my Xara covers at Smashwords, Book one: The Protectorit, Book two: For the Honor of Black Roses. They're a bit dark, so I'm interested in a pro's design to see what it would look like.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KellyTharp:
LD - I too downloaded GIMP. It took a lot of trial and error to get the hang of it. I ended up using Xara Photo & Graphics designer to do my covers. It's much easier to learn and I liked their "make my own web site" designer package. It worked for me - a village idiot - and Xara gives you a free posting site for your web site. Both programs can do more than I can do with them, for someone more experience. That said, I am thinking about having a redesign of my book covers by one of Smashword's recommended cover designers. You can see my Xara covers at Smashwords, Book one: The Protectorit, Book two: For the Honor of Black Roses. They're a bit dark, so I'm interested in a pro's design to see what it would look like.

Thank you for the info. But one thing how much if anything is Xare and what is the web address? Could always google that of course.

I may have to check out more of their recommended cover designers-for my novel, I seem to be at a stand still with the ones I have checked.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
You might take a look at InkScape and Scribus. Both are free and open source. Also Paint.Net. Another free program that does essentially everything that Adobe Illustrator will do. There is a linux version of Paint.net called Pinta. None fo them are as powerful as GIMP, which is up there with pro quality packages. On the other hand, they are an order of magnitude easier to learn.
 
Posted by KellyTharp (Member # 9997) on :
 
Xara was a program I found at Office Max. I was looking into web design programs as I couldn't find any friends to do it for me, and would cost too much to hire a professional. So, figured, what the hay. Xara turned out okay. You can see what I did with it at http://kellyltharp.magix.net/public I wish it were easier to use as a blog, but I upload a new quick blog every once in awhile. But the links all work and were fairly easy to figure out how to put in. Like I said, if I can do it anyone can. But there are better programs out there if you have the smarts.
 
Posted by KellyTharp (Member # 9997) on :
 
Okay, I can't seem to get my web site. May be eating my hat right now for recommending Xara for web site construction. Apparently their free web site is down. Too bad they don't let those of us who live there know! Anyway, if you buy a package, check to see what they offer in the way of web site offers. I still like their graphics. Both are not too expensive.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Did they do away with them or just having problems?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Meant to mention this a couple of weeks ago, but, I guess, the Nook is dead or dying:

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/07/09/barnes-noble-ceo-resigns-following-nook-losses/

Once again, it seems I've backed the wrong horse on the techno hardware curve...I suppose I'll stick with my device as long as it works, and, at some point, move on to a Kindle or something else...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Meant to mention this a couple of weeks ago, but, I guess, the Nook is dead or dying:

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/07/09/barnes-noble-ceo-resigns-following-nook-losses/

Once again, it seems I've backed the wrong horse on the techno hardware curve...I suppose I'll stick with my device as long as it works, and, at some point, move on to a Kindle or something else...

Me too.

I love my Nook and don't see a reason to get something else. Even if the colors might be slightly brighter on the Kindle.

It might be wishful thinking but I hope this is just a major speed bump and not the end of the Nook. A couple devices were able to recover.
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I heard today that the death of the Nook has been greatly exagerated. No other news yet.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Well, there's still time for the new guy to come up with a better plan but he better hurry and it better be good.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
But hey guys and gals:


Sept 19 Talk like a pirate day.

Lets see about coming up with a story for it.


Pirate Day
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I haven't stopped using my Nook Color...but I use it for quick Internet access more than downloading and reading things.

So the Random Musings thread has come back to life, hunh?
 
Posted by jayazman (Member # 2818) on :
 
I thought it was time to resurect it.

[Wink]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Speaking of Sept 19

[URL=But speaking of pirates
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130907/US--Pirate.Treasure/]Try This[/URL]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I want one.

Jetman


And good story ideas there.
 
Posted by legolasgalactica (Member # 10087) on :
 
So I just realized how ridiculous it is that I still use the same night shirt I've had since 1994. Its my sister's YW Decktennis sports shirt--i know, I know, but its much too difficult to explain. Anyway, I'm finally deciding it's on its last leg... can you imagine nearly 20 years of nonstop use?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've got a pair of underwear that's nothing but the elastic...I use it as a sweatband...you know guys never throw out underwear no matter how big the holes get. (Yes I got the idea from somebody's comedy routine.)
 
Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
Disintegration is generally the last step when it comes to underwear. Just open the window and let it float away. (I can't remember if that was a Ray Ramano or a Tim Allen joke.)

For me the moment it becomes uncomfortable is when it dies. (Well I do wait till I get home.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
In cleaning out my closet recently---part of the repiping job I've mentioned here and there, now, thank God, finished-except-for-paying-the-bill---I wound up throwing out well over a hundred old pocket-tee work shirts and nearly that many ripped-up jeans. (And underwear.) And there's still some more in there.
 
Posted by kmsf (Member # 9905) on :
 
mine just regenerate in the drawer.

[ September 19, 2013, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: kmsf ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I have a couple pair that are almost that bad. Key word is almost.


I get rid of them earlier than some of you evidently do. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Here's one for you, but it's not really about the story in question, it's really about my freaky memory and memories:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/21/atomic-bomb-nearly-exploded-over-north-carolina-in-161-report-says/?intcmp=latestnews

That's a link to a story about an atomic bomb nearly exploding over North Carolina in 1961 when a B-52 broke up in mid-air.

It's been much-made-of, as these things go...but the thing is, I'm pretty sure I read something about the incident somewhere already. I might possibly be confusing it with some other incident---I recall one where two bombs crashed in the sea (near Greece, I think), and they found one, but not the other. But I don't know for sure.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
This kind of thing is one of the multiple reasons that I believe in divine intervention.
 
Posted by kmsf (Member # 9905) on :
 
Here is Divine intervention, on a micro-scale, for which I am grateful. I mow my yard on a riding mower, making a circuit around the yard except for one place behind my wood racks. I also wear hearing protection and listen to podcasts, etc. Halfway around the circuit I turned the blades off to navigate a tight spot under a large shrub. When I resumed, I forgot to turn them back on. As I was backing over the grass behind the wood racks two baby bunnies popped up from ground I had just covered and took off. One popped up as from a hidden trap door of old clippings, C. Thomas Howell a la Red Dawn "Wolverines!" style. How different the afternoon could've been but for my absent-mindedness. I love baby bunnies! And I am not ashamed! :-) Divine intervention is alive and well.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Robert

Seems like I have seen two stories about that recently. Or about two very similar events. The first story was a week or even two weeks + ago. Than this one you link to came out.

So maybe someone scooped Fox.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It was all over the media that week...somebody's book, I guess, blew the story wide open, and the media fixated on that as the most sensational item in it. Evidently the story goes back to an article in The Guardian (UK)...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've had another bout with something signing me out of everything I'd signed in on through this computer, here included...mildly annoying.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I wonder if something is clearing your "cookies" on your computer, Robert. I believe the Hatrack software uses "cookies" to keep track of people who are signed in here.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I wish I knew...it is my new computer that does this, every month or so since I got it...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Halloween is coming as most of you know. I thought about writing out this discourse (or would it be a monologue?) last year but never got to it. This year I have been thinking about it for a month now. Tonight decided to do it--instead of writing.


Costumes--

One of my--well I guess you could say bucket list items even though I don't usually use that term--is to go to a upper level costume party. Not one with a lot of gross costumes and drunks.

I don't recall ever going to one, mayhaps when I was way younger, knee high to a grasshopper, and I think it would be neat. I would go as a Roman Centurion or in something like Aragon's outfit in the LOTR movies. Not a cheap version of either, but something that was half way or more real. Of course in the Centurion outfit I would have to show off my legs, but I could probably live with that.

When I was way younger, for a couple of years, I wanted to do Halloween dressed as Captain America but the costumes of him they sold were not true outfits. They had his picture on the front of the shirt part, don't think there was even a head mask even though I'm not sure about that now. This year I could go as Cap. Thanks to the movie they now sell full outfits. I assume that includes for adults. The shield is probably cheap and again I would like something half way real.

In the past I thought about going as one of my favorite book heroes. One Dray Prescot. The MC of a series of books--around 30. He was probably inspired by John Carter of Mars. Same type of adventures.

Anyway though if I did I would show off a lot more than my lower legs. The best--for his fans the most well known--costume would include a scarlet breechcloth. Scarlet not red. On top of that would be two swords-probably a rapier and a short sword or cutless, plus a two handed sword stabbed to my back. On Kregen-the world he has his adventures on--one sword isn't enough and you never know which type would come in handy. Also included would be a bow with blue fletched arrows and a brace of throwing knives criss crossed on my chest. Don't think I have the wide shoulders or the trim stomach needed for that outfit though. Not to mention my legs would be a bit white.

But I enjoy seeing many of the costumes around Halloween--not all some are too cheap and a few too gross.

Oh, I can't think of many costumes I did wear as a child--probably a cowboy one when I was really young-but what I think was my last Halloween, I went as a Flower child. Had a cheap wig, and some type of loose shirt. I picked a bunch of flowers and gave one to each door I knocked on.

Probably around age six or seven I did have a cowboy outfit with chaps, hat and two sixguns. My school had a western day every year, plus the town I grew up in had a western parade every year. I always wore that outfit when I could so I probably wore it on halloween.

So that's it finally.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Can't remember just when I stopped putting a costume on and going out trick-or-treating, but it had to be sometime around early adolesence.

I suppose for that kind of thrill as an adult, you could try cosplay...
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LDWriter2:
...In the past I thought about going as one of my favorite book heroes. One Dray Prescot. The MC of a series of books--around 30. He was probably inspired by John Carter of Mars. Same type of adventures...

"Llhal and lahal!" [Smile]
Fascinating, Louis, though I doubt anyone (well, anyone except perhaps yours truly) would know who you are. [Smile]

But to clarify a bit, the "Dray Prescot" a.k.a. "Scorpio/Antares" a.k.a. "Kregen" series initially authored by the pseudonymous Alan Burt Akers and, later, by Dray Prescot himself per the byline were an initial staple of Donald Wolheim's DAW paperback imprint. The true author was the late Kenneth Bulmer, an extremely prolific and less recognized author of over 160 books who wrote many of them under numerous pennames. His passing in 2005 was a loss.

His saga of Dray Prescot under the suns of Scorpio out-Burroughs Burroughs. Heroic adventure fiction upon an alien world filled (and I mean filled) with wonderfully exotic landscapes, cultures and peoples, loyal friends and lovers, and seemingly overwhelming conflicts.

DAW published 37 books in the series before Mr. Wollheim left the helm and the company shook out its stable of authors, but the series continued to feed a Scorpio/Antares/Dray Precott avid German readership until Mr. Bulmer's passing. He wrote a total of 52 completed books in the series (and a 11 page fragment for book 53) between 1972 and 1997 (That is over two novels per year while also writing other works)!

Attempts have been made to publish the German edition books in English--and a few were sold as newly illustrated .pdf files by the late-lamented Savanti Press. more recently by Mushroom Books has reissued all the prior volumes published in English as eBooks and Bladud Press has published soft cover and hardcover print editions. They have also translated and published 8 of the remaining 15 German language books as well. Yet, to my OCD frustration, they have not brought them all into the English language for publication as yet. Every other year I write the publisher and he promises me they plan to do so but, after the first flood of translations, there has been nothing new for a while.

For those interested, I offer the following links to, and websites about, these novels of classic other-world planetary adventure:

The Books: http://www.mushroom-ebooks.com/authors/akers/akers.html

Fan sites: http://www.kregen.com/
http://www.drpetrov.com/prescot/prescot.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/DrJohn/prescott.html

Kregen Wiki and Series Index:
http://www.throneworld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Kregen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dray_Prescott

Cover Art: http://www.gilians.de/kregen/covers.html

How to play Jikaida (Kregen chess): http://www.kregen.com/

And, of course, maps of Kregen: http://www.throneworld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Atlas_of_Kregen
http://www.throneworld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Kregen
(Even better ones of some of Kregen's continent's can be discovered by doing a web search of "map of Kregen" and looking under "Images").

Respectfully (and Good Shabbos),
Dr. Bob (an unofficial Hatrack Librarian)
 
Posted by Merlion-Emrys (Member # 7912) on :
 
I blame the chupacabras.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Did Kenneth Bulmer own up to writing them? For some reason---probably the length of it---I always thought "Alan Burt Akers" also-known-as "Dray Prescott" were house names and multiple writers. (But that only proves the depth of my misinformation.)
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
Yes, Robert. He wrote the entire series, though you can be excused for thinking his proclivity suggested were the work of multiple authors.

Mr. Bulmer's Bibliography:
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?Kenneth_Bulmer
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
"Llhal and lahal!" back to you Dr. Bob.

Yeah, you're right about not many people knowing who I was if I managed to dress like that.

I didn't want to take the time to explain Bulmer's names. But The last two books, maybe three, in the English series were written under his real name. I have them.

I knew about his Germain fans but I didn't know he wrote that many more in Germain. I used to hang around two Dray sites online-in fact one of my few fan fic stories is on one of those sites-but I don't recall anyone mentioning that. Back then there was an effort to publish more but Bulmer's widow had control of the his copyrights and evidently she didn't want to be bothered with doing anything with them. If I recall correctly she didn't like him. I know one person on one of the two sites tried. In fact that person was working publishing a couple of anthologies written by fans--I don't recall ever hearing if he actually did.

In fact I still haven't read the last book in English, I have the last three as E-books. Some of the first E-books I believe. The very last one was given to me by someone on one of those sites.


Oh oh--I had totally forgotten that last book and now I most probably can't read it.

Whew--I can. I just checked it out--I have carefully copied it from computer to computer to computer since I received it. BTW that is number 39, I have 38 somewhere but I think it's on a floppy disk. And I still have all of the paper ones I bought. One of those series I wouldn't mind rereading. And The last paper book had a great cover-- better than the previous ones. I think it was more along the lines of the Germain covers.

I will say one thing about his writing so many. Most were shorter than average for a book. I say most because every now and then Bulmer would do a book from the POV of one of Dray's friends. When he did that book would be longer than average for a book.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
Hi, LD.

I'm aware of a few "fan" stories and even "novels" [ http://www.vandah.com/bibliography.html ] but I haven't read any of them.

However, this is a series I, too, plan to re-read someday. I don't believe I read the last half-dozen (I'd wait for a full "Cycle" of novels and read them as a set). I recall liking some better than others--and disliked when he once took in-story liberty to dis John Norman's Gor books, however deserving, for this unfortunately was inescapable author intrusion dispelling the magic of the story (how's that for three "dis"'s >smile<). However, the world-building in this series I recall very fondly as superb. I hope this proves as true on re-reading.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"Germain?"
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Must have been too blind to see the red line under it. Or for some reason it got skipped.


But to change the topic this discussion of Prescott reminded me of something. I said I wrote a fan fic story set on Kregen. That reminded me of some others I wrote: Highlander, two Star Wars, and A Honer Harrington tale. I had forgotten about them but now I know where some missing stories had gotten to.

I knew when I started to write stories I was pretty much like Dr. Bob, Looong stories with only a few short ones. But when I look over the first twenty stories I have listed most were not that long.

Some of my longer ones were fan fic. The Highlander one is over 15,000 words, one Star Wars one is very close to 9,500 words. The Kregen tale is a bit under 8,000 which is still on the short side but not really short. My second story listed on my non fan stories is 8,000 words. The Seventh one is over 11,000. Number 15 is over 15,000 words. Still seems like I am missing a couple of my longer stories though.

Back then I entered the Star Trek: Strange New Worlds contest a few times and the first and I think second stories I wrote for that contest had to be cut down a few hundred words. So maybe they were the ones I am thinking of.

Of course the first one typed out, which I can't excess anymore, was at least headed for way over 10,000 words even though I never finished it. I say at least because I can't recall for sure how many words I had but it would have ended up being a novella for sure. I still remember a bunch of it so I am thinking of starting it again.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Spellchecking won't register anything if the misspelling is that of another world. This is why proofreading is so important.

*****

I don't think any of my fanfics were more than, oh, twelve thousand words at most, and most were much shorter. But it seemed right after that I was struck with some sort of literary elephantitis---my stories abruptly stretched into the twenty-thousand word length and beyond. That seems a little long for stories that, for great stretches, only have two characters on stage. I've brutally cut some down in revision, but even then they seem on the long side.

*****

I'd say something here about a printer problem I had this afternoon, but it isn't German to the conversation.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Might as well say today...last night I tried my usual printing job---I print out several comics and (eventually) tape them into spiral notebooks---I've got a hundred-a-month cartridge habit.

Anyway, just before that, I had my internet account (AOL) freeze up; I wound up turning my computer off to get out of it. Something must have lingered because my printer wouldn't print.

I worked through that for a while, turning the computer off, printing test pages, turning the printer off---then I found the printer wasn't turning off and I unplugged it---and finding the right plug was an ordeal, too. I wound up deleting files to be printed, wound up with one that wouldn't delete right away (but eventually did after more turnings on and off).

Anyway, it's working now...good thing 'cause I have to write and print up something this morning. And what I don't know about comptuers would fit in a manual.
 
Posted by rcmann (Member # 9757) on :
 
I am amazed. I thought I was the only person on earth who still remembered the Kregen series. I could never find more than seven or eight in my local library or book stores when they were being published, either. But they were better than Burroughs in my opinion.

Did Prescott ever get around to horsewhipping that father-in-law of his? The king who ordered him beaten when he showed up at the palace?

[ October 31, 2013, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: rcmann ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rcmann:
I am amazed. I thought I was the only person on earth who still remembered the Kregen series. I could never find more than seven or eight in my local library or book stores when they were being published, either. But they were better than Burroughs in my opinion.

Did Prescott ever get around to horsewhipping that father-in-law of his? The king who ordered him beaten when he showed up at the palace?

The King was killed somewhere along the line and Dray became Emperor even though he didn't spend very much time ruling, he was always out having fun in other parts of Kregen.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battle field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that this nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate---we can not consecrate---we can not hallow---this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to thate unfinished work which they who fought here have thus so far nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us---that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion---that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain---that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom---and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from this earth.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Dr Who is Fifty evidently. Google has a game you can play, it took me over sixty minutes to go through it even though I think that was double what it was.

Even Yahoo does a little TARDIS GIF on their Yahoo! symbol.
 
Posted by snapper (Member # 7299) on :
 
Happy Thanksgiving!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Been meaning to ask this for three months at least.

What's an instagram?

I first heard of in at my Church. They mentioned that they not only have e- bulletins but twitter and instagram. I thought that sounded like an old fashion name and wondered if it was from the beginning of the internet or before. And the church was a bit behind the times. But a week or so later a radio talk show host mentioned it. Oh, so it's new--fairly new anyway. Since then it seems to be everywhere.

As one who is proud to say I don't do much social media things I've never heard exactly what it does. You can send pics with it evidently but is it mainly for that or is another form of twitter? Or???
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instagram
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instagram

Thank you.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"This story is meretricious."

"What was that word you used?"

"Meretricious!"

"Oh...and a Happy New Year to you, too!"

---adapted from Asimov.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Indeed have a Happy New Year especially when it comes to writing and family.


Speaking of writing here is an intriguing title for an anthology someone will be doing in '14. He saw it on a real sign.

TEMPORALLY OUT OF ORDER


Maybe it was on a Tardis. [Smile]
 
Posted by MattLeo (Member # 9331) on :
 
I had another "literary dream" last night in which I dreamed a story setup. This one is about a young, can-do mayor with an unusual problem on his hands.

AIDE: We've got to do something about that poltergeist in the municipal sewage treatment plant.

MAYOR: Well, I've got a cousin in the fire department we could call.

AIDE: What can he do?

MAYOR: Well, for one thing he can sing. Soul music, believe it or not. Some people call him "the Irish Barry White."

AIDE: So what's his name?

MAYOR: Barry White.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
January 3rd, 2014, and I'm claiming the first sighting of the year of the cross-dressing Statue of Liberty. One of 'em was out there this morning.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
January 3rd, 2014, and I'm claiming the first sighting of the year of the cross-dressing Statue of Liberty. One of 'em was out there this morning.

Oh wow...I'm usually first,


But good going

Hmm, or was it? [Razz]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Maybe the weather kept 'em indoors elsewhere...here in this part of Florida, it was a sunny sixties or so.
 
Posted by MattLeo (Member # 9331) on :
 
Well, yesterday I went out to shovel snow, and took a doubletake when the outside thermometer read '99F'. Then I realized I'd missed the decimal point: '9.9F'. We don't see many statue of liberties running around until after the March thaws.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
They could be out here. We are about the only place in the country that isn't experiencing a cold storm. Just like last year and the year before. We need it too.

Maybe next week they will be out.
 
Posted by MattLeo (Member # 9331) on :
 
Had another story dream last night. I swear I don't (consciously) make these up:

A young wife, sad because she can't have a baby, comforts herself by filling her home with houseplants, which she likes to talk to. But in due time she does become pregnant. Then one day, after she brings home her new baby she's watering her plants, and her dwarf orange tree says to her, "Do you love me as much as you love your meat baby?"
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
And that's when she finally thought of a name for her baby. "I shall name him Meat Baby."
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Could be the opening for a Mid Grade book.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I had a dream recently. I think it was dystrophia adventure. Anyway, it was a bit of life after some world wide disaster. I belonged to a small group that found and joined a larger group--that was where the dream began. Somehow not revealed in the dream all of us new people had a tiny electronic device inserted in us. When we got out of hand the device would cause great pain. A woman comes along and the narrator--I seem to be back out of the action and just viewing it--says that her brain is formed differently and therefore is more open to the device. But instead of causing her even more pain she can control the device and can cause more pain in others. She activates it and everyone starts screaming in pain...a schematic map is shown which reveals that not only is that small group of new people effected but everyone with that device in California-where the action takes place-and everyone with that device in at least three states over are screaming in pain. End of dream.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
stressed much? =P
 
Posted by MattLeo (Member # 9331) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LDWriter2:
I had a dream recently. I think it was dystrophia adventure.

How did the dream make you feel?

With the "Barry White" dream, I woke up chuckling (it goes on to deal with the Barry's exorcism credentials).

With the "Meat Baby" dream, the sensation was horror -- it was uncanny. I think that's because it's kind of a magical realist premise: that treating her plants like babies endowed them with some of the properties of actual babies.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I woke up confused I think, maybe a touch of sadness for those that were trapped in that group but it took only about two seconds to turn to confusion. Like where did that dream come from


Oh, And I saw my first Stature of Liberty today. She or he was bent over which I turned a corner so I can't say if it was crossed dressing or not.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Spotted two Statues of Liberty this morning...probably others around but I didn't go by their offices. It's really something to see them out there, bopping to what's left of their brains...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I've seen only a couple. One place most have gone out of business for no one is at that corner.

The guy with the electric guitar is gone this year.
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
And that's when she finally thought of a name for her baby. "I shall name him Meat Baby."

BWAHAHAHAHA! This made my whole day and I don't know why or what it means...What does it mean!
 
Posted by shimiqua (Member # 7760) on :
 
I had another "literary dream" last night in which I dreamed a story setup. This one is about a young, can-do mayor with an unusual problem on his hands.

AIDE: We've got to do something about that poltergeist in the municipal sewage treatment plant.

MAYOR: Well, I've got a cousin in the fire department we could call.

AIDE: What can he do?

MAYOR: Well, for one thing he can sing. Soul music, believe it or not. Some people call him "the Irish Barry White."

AIDE: So what's his name?

MAYOR: Barry White.


Ha. You people are funny... Write this crap down, this is a blockbuster in the making. They need to have dream recorders for your brain when you're sleeping. Like in the future. This is a thing they should have.

I would buy one.

And they should make them water proof so you could wear it in the shower and save those great ideas that don't hold on until you've reached a computer.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
Doctor, heal thyself. [Wink]

Just when I hoped to have the next three days to relax and finish up a couple writing projects, my brother, nephew, and I all came down with that horrible cold that's making the rounds.
How frustrating to lose good writing time to illness.

Btw, one of my self-mocking fears is that I will one day become a beloved author!
.
.
...posthumously. [Wink]

As the old Yiddish saying goes: "Man plans, G-d laughs."

Respectfully,
Dr. Bob
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Been there, done that, getting over it right now. I was out in early January with some sort of severe stomach upset...then last week I, too, caught the cold that's been going around---along with a dozen or so people at work at the same time. Missed work---in fact, had to leave work, both times---and spent several days just lying around at home.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Good health wishes to you all.

I remember years ago when I suffered from pneumonia that I was too weak to read fiction.

So rest up and take care of yourselves.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
Thank you, Kathleen.

I'm finally coming out of three days of the worst viral cold/flu I can remember, and I'm beginning to feel more like myself...except for this nasty hankering for brains. [Smile]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Brains? Really? Trying to remember if I've ever heard whether they're kosher or not.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
A search engine query turned up the answer that if the animal is kosher and it's killed kosher, then its brains are kosher. If anybody knows more---I sure don't---please enlighten us.
 
Posted by History (Member # 9213) on :
 
The tsouris (tr: misery/trouble/woe) plaguing a Jewish zombie striving to keep kosher.

There's a story there somewhere...albeit only a flash. [Wink]

Respectfully,
Dr. Bob
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Two bits of grist for the mill:

1. I finally gave in to the twitter craze and created an account. I immediately proceeded to follow my favorite authors.
Surprising Fact: the reason it takes them so long to write books is because they have real lives outside of writing(???).

2. Where's that Jewish zombie story.

Does anyone here maintain a twitter? If so, I'm @SolunaBirds.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I'm @KatDWoodbury, but I don't tweet much, and if I do, it's set up so what I tweet goes to my Facebook status (I do it that way because it kills two birds with one stone, so to speak--my Facebook status posts tend to be tweet-sized, so why not?).

I mainly use Twitter for news.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I don't tweet at all even though if I ever got a fan base, even a tiny one for some of my Indie projects, I might.

Anyway,

I agree with tesknota where is that story Dr Bob? [Smile]

You have done a couple of flash stories, which means you could do one more. [Wink]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
And speaking of the Statue of Liberty---even though it has been whole.

I have seen more. I drove through a different area of town and saw two the other day. And today I say Uncle Sam for Liberty taxes. Haven't seen one for a year or three. Wonder if the guy refused to put on the dress.

And there has been a bird--crow-raven or ? out with a Uncle Sam hat on for a different tax service.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Not me. I don't tweet or do Facebook. It seems like something of a waste of time to me, and I have better things to do. Don't go by that: up till I got a computer I might have said the same thing about the Internet.

*****

Last Friday, one of the places had two Statue of Liberties (Statues of Liberty?) out on the street---one male, one female, or at least they looked that way when I passed by. Plus another one at another location. I know of a third location but don't drive by there regularly. They're everywhere.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Yeah, I'm basically using Twitter for news at the moment. I'm trying to do something creative with it, like write ministories or something. =)

I have not seen any statues of liberties anywhere. Maybe it's where I live? I once saw a bunch in California during a road trip.
 
Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
Has anyone ever noticed that geese get easily bored? No? Just me, then.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Oh, I see other people advertizers out on the streets all the time. There's this guy (or maybe girl) on one streetcorner who dances around with a WE BUY GOLD sign. There's this guy (definitely) with a multicolored top hat advertizing a breakfast menu at a restaurant. They're the regulars on my regular routes; I see others when I go elsewhere than the usual places.

(Couldn't decide whether "advertizing" should be spelled with an "s" or a "z." I hate it when this kind of spelling problem grips me. No spell check here, which'd help me catch it.)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tesknota:
Yeah, I'm basically using Twitter for news at the moment. I'm trying to do something creative with it, like write ministories or something. =)


There are twitter story magazines, a couple pay some nice money for such short stories. If they still exist that is, I haven't checked recently. A year or so ago I wrote a few stories that were rejected they few magazines I tried.

I have played around with the thought of doing an E-anthology with nothing but those stories and few others I wrote around 200 words long.

Or do a magazine type thing with sending out those ministories to cell phones but twitter would good for that. Oh there was a flash story market about three or four years ago that people could subscribe to and have stories sent to their cell phone any time they were bored. It lasted about two years.

Probably more info than you expected from your comment there. [Smile]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Smiley:
Has anyone ever noticed that geese get easily bored? No? Just me, then.

We have geese around here. There weren't native to the area but maybe ten, twelve years ago some just decided to settle here. I've never watched them long enough to see how long it takes them to get bored but they do fly all over the place--back and forth--so maybe that is why.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Oh, I see other people advertizers out on the streets all the time. There's this guy (or maybe girl) on one streetcorner who dances around with a WE BUY GOLD sign. There's this guy (definitely) with a multicolored top hat advertizing a breakfast menu at a restaurant. They're the regulars on my regular routes; I see others when I go elsewhere than the usual places.

(Couldn't decide whether "advertizing" should be spelled with an "s" or a "z." I hate it when this kind of spelling problem grips me. No spell check here, which'd help me catch it.)

We have had a couple of good dancers out for a while but they disappear after a while. One guy danced for a pizza chain. The guy was overweight but he still had some good moves. He disappeared for a while but I saw him a couple of weeks ago. Another guy played the electric guitar on one very busy corner for years but I haven't seen him in a few months. Funny thing about him he may have been an ex-rock DJ. Three ex DJs from a long time Rock station are now talk show hosts, one day one was talking a reunion they had for that station and he mentioned Guitar man and how they all knew him. By the context I assumed he meant the guy on the corner. Maybe he finally got another DJ gig.

Oh he carried a small speaker hooked onto his waist and had a long cord that looked to lead to a business, probably the one he worked for. Seems like at one time he had what looked like a battery pack too but I know I saw the cord a couple of times.
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
So I had a story in at Analog. It was a longer story, and I was offering it up for them to publish as a serial. One of those "this is a wild long shot, but I might as well give it a shot" deals.

In their online submission system, my story got "closed" and the status changed to "accepted." Surely this can't mean they want to buy my story, I think. It was such a shot in the dark. But what else is that supposed to mean? I haven't received any correspondence from them, though, so I don't know what to make of it.

Check my spam box. There's a rejection letter from Analog for that story. Universe, why are you so cruel? We struggling aspiring writers have feelings, you know.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Have you double checked the status?

I asked over on the WotF forum to see if there were any other comments Trevor puts up but so far it seems to be that accepted means accepted.

If you haven't already maybe you should check the status again and if it hasn't changed send an E-mail to double check.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Speak of the devil...last June (the 25th, actually), I sent a story in to Analog in the traditional manner---printed out, manila envelope, SASE---and have yet to hear back from them. Bothers me, 'cause (1) it leaves an "open" that should be "closed," (2) I don't know whether they're just holding onto it or it's lost somewhere in the mail (and I know how things get lost in the mail), (3) this kind of delay is something I might expect from a lesser magazine, (4) is this a harbinger of the future with the new editor at the magazine, or maybe a change of submission policies, and (5) I've gotten a couple of queries about maybe putting something new on my website, but I was waiting for this one to come back before doing anything about it.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Speak of the devil...last June (the 25th, actually), I sent a story in to Analog in the traditional manner---printed out, manila envelope, SASE---and have yet to hear back from them. Bothers me, 'cause (1) it leaves an "open" that should be "closed," (2) I don't know whether they're just holding onto it or it's lost somewhere in the mail (and I know how things get lost in the mail), (3) this kind of delay is something I might expect from a lesser magazine, (4) is this a harbinger of the future with the new editor at the magazine, or maybe a change of submission policies, and (5) I've gotten a couple of queries about maybe putting something new on my website, but I was waiting for this one to come back before doing anything about it.

They are spending a long time going through the stories they receive. I mean upwards of 200 days. One person who knows a little of what is going on stated that Trevor and his team have other things to do can only spend a small amount of time on the stories. Supposedly the period of time was suppose to decrease as they got used their schedules under Trevor and I think it did for a while but now it seems to be back up to where it was at the beginning.

You're right not good. Asimov's started taking longer too but not as long. I wonder if the parent company that owns both has given the editors a ton more responsibilities.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Ah! I must not be plugged into the right SF gossip circuit, 'cause I hadn't heard of delays at Analog and Asimov's. I'd just had a story at Asimov's right before---the same story---which was bounced in seven weeks, about par for them.

Not good at all.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Also I sent it out before the last postal rate increase...probably it'll be okay, 'cause I stuck a Priority Mail stamp on it, but others might not be so lucky...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Oh I should have said this earlier.

I said that some stories have taken 200+ days to get a response but some have taken just 160 or so. I have had one there now some where around 120 days.

And I found this out in a discussion over on the WotF forums.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Why are Girl Scout cookies always sold on the other side of the street or some place that takes an extra two turns to get back to the right direction?


Well, almost--I found two places I could get to easy to buy some today.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, Analog finally coughed up my story---it was in my P. O. Box when I stopped by this morning. I calculate it was gone two hundred and fifty-seven days.

Nothing other than the undated form rejection slip that tells me nothing, not about why it was rejected, or even why they held onto it so long. The envelope wasn't even postmarked.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
If you mean a snail mail box than it could have gotten mislaid for awhile but there are two on the WotF forums who have had theirs in for very long time, one sent in to queries it sounded like.

Mine though took about 130 to 150--I would need to recount the days to be sure.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've had a P. O. Box for almost thirty years---technically the same one, though a remodeling a few years ago replaced the original and moved it to another part of the building.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I note in passing that the streetcorner Statues of Liberty have packed up and gone---Tax Day is past.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Sunday night before work, a TV show I watched had a guy singing a Buddy Holly song. On the radio on the way to work, I heard another guy singing another Buddy Holly song. Then the next morning I was listening to my iPod in random rotation and I heard Buddy Holly himself singing a song.

So it's all random coincidence...or maybe Buddy Holly was trying to tell me something from the great beyond...
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
The question is, what was he trying to tell you? Which songs were they?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
In order, "Well, All Right," performed by Marty Stuart, "Everyday," performed by James Taylor, and himself performing "You're So Square (Baby I Don't Care)." (The last not even being his song, but Leiber-Stoller, I believe.)

Really, it's too bad we're not in communication. (That's kinda true of everybody who died, actually.) I'd like to ask him what he thought of what came after him and if he was working on anything in the Great Beyond...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Since no one else has said this


Happy Star Wars day


May the Forth be with you.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
May you be fourth, too.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Those rascally agents of the Empire must have gotten into my keyboard, probably using the smallest intelligent life form known in the Known and Unknown universe.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Heard about new word today--it has already made it to the dictionary even though I don't recall ever hearing it before.

Freegan


evidently someone who dumpster dives to eat because they don't want to effect the planet badly or at all.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I'd call that either desperate or tight.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was most amused by the presence of "turducken" on the Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary list. The concept amused me ever since I saw it in a "PreTeena" strip.

Can't find a link; seems to have disappeared from the site I saw it on yesterday.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, here's a story: their own press release.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/new-words/2014-update.htm
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Wrapping up a three-week vacation this morning. I had a blast being off. I went out of town for a couple of days, but was mostly just here. I read more than twenty books---I think work's been holding me back. I wrote most of a short story and even finished revising it Monday---and I have a pretty good idea what idea I'm going to start with on my next story. I accomplished a few tasks around the house, but mostly I just goofed off. Makes retirement something to look forward to.

About the only blotch on things was my health. I'd share details of my experiences, but, as I've always said, one never knows how scatological humor will go over. I'm not looking forward to spending that much time in the bathroom when I retire...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Microwave adventures.

The last day of my vacation, after I posted the above, my microwave oven konked out. At first I thought maybe a fuse...then maybe the outlet went bad...but, no, both were fine. My brother the electrician was near at hand and checked things out too.

So it was on to a new microwave. Happened at the worst possible time---would'a been a snap if it happened at the beginning of my vacation.

I generally prefer a microwave with a grilling element. I thought I'd have to search around, maybe order online. But I walked into the store where I bought my last one---WalMart---and, to my surprise, they had one. Cost less than my last one, under a hundred dollars.

So I bought that and took the old one down. Now, I thought I'd kept it clean, but oh! the thing was just covered in grease. (Note to myself: lift up this new one every so often and clean under it.) I wrapped it up in a plastic lawn-and-leaf bag, to keep ants away when I stored it temporarily in the garage.

"Temporary" meaning I intended to put it out in the garbage---but, as a lot of you know, garbage pickup services usually want you to call up and make special arrangements for dumping your appliances. I'd get around to it when I got around to it.

Yesterday, Monday, my father reminded me I should put the microwave out on the curb---you see, we also have people who scavenge the neighborhood looking for things they think they can use. They usually come through on Monday, regular garbage coming Tuesday. (My father reminded me of that a couple days ago, but I forgot till he reminded me again.)

So I stopped by my house, out on the way to other things, and dug the busted microwave out and got the bag off (a messy, greasy job in itself), and put it out on the curb. This was about 11:45 am. Long about 3:30 pm, I had occasion to look out---and, sho'nuff, it was gone.

(The new one works fine, too.)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Well, the fireworks stand fairies have been at it again.

Don't know how it is in your state, but fireworks can be sold only for only a few days each year and only for charities. Except, evidently, for some packages of fireworks. So every year close to the Fourth these booths appear. I mean I don't see anyone delivering them and usually don't see anyone putting them together. Some years piles of booth sections appear and a day to a week later the booth is set up. No one is seen delivering the sections and no one is seen putting them together. This year the booths appeared already set up.


I should add that two years ago I did see a flatbed truck loaded with the piles of sections and last year a truck unloading some, and a couple of times the last few years I have seen people tightening bolts on the booths. Even though come to think of it I haven't seen anyone actually lifting the sections and lining them up.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
At the beginning of the week I called the mechanic who works on our cars. My pick-up needs lube and oil change, possibly the shock needs replacing.

Anyway I told him it needed a tune-up, corrected myself and went on. Too late I thought maybe that was a Fordian slip.

[Big Grin]

[ June 27, 2014, 07:07 PM: Message edited by: LDWriter2 ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"Our" change?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Okay it's been fixed.

Maybe that one was a real freudian slip or tired thinking.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Remember, a couple of months and a page back, when we were bitching about Analog taking a long time to reject manuscripts? Mine was out two hundred and fifty-seven days that time.

Well, with my last finished work, I decided to try Analog again, to see if there was any improvment. This time it took fifty-three days to reject it.

Much better---execpt for the rejection part.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Here are two web sites that might be of interest to writers here.


LEGO Odyssey


And a list of Tor's favorite fictional modes of transportation:

Tor here
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
F & SF rejected the same story in seven days flat---but were nice about it in a way I'd rather not draw attention to. Also, from the slip, it would seem they read the story and picked up on the details of it---and that's the first time in about fifteen years that I've been sure I've gotten that kind of attention with a story.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
That's about right for them. F&SF seems to have three levels of form rejections. The second and third sound like they may have read it all the way through, especially the third one.

But if they picked up details from it, that sounds like a personal comment.

If so good going. It may not be far from being bought.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It's said that Anthony Boucher, the original editor of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, once rejected a story with a note so kind about the story that the writer sent the story back with a note of his own that said, "Then why the devil don't you publish it?" This note wasn't in that league, but I appreciate the effort.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Had a miserable three days of computer problems. Saturday, after I finished an online session, something erased all my (AOL) Favorite Places links. (I'd been moving some stuff around, but I've done that before without that happening.)

I tried looking for a couple of things that I thought might help, but without luck. Being rather busy in the time frame between then and now kept me from doing what I just did---I went to my old computer, dug out the length of cable I used to use to link to my broadband, linked it up, went online, got the Favorite Places list from about a year and a third ago, copied that onto a floppy disk (yes, I still have them), then plugged that drive into my new computer and copied it into my current (AOL) program.

Over the next few days I'll be painstakingly updating and looking for links for what I've accumulated / started following in the last year or so. I'll also put a copy somewhere in my current files once I've got a few updates.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've managed to rebuild my Favorite Places, but am wondering whether or not I've missed one or two or several in my online comics section. I'll wonder about that till I think of them and try to locate. A couple of obscure links are gone altogether, I think...

Meanwhile, I saved a copy of it all to my documents file once I completed my work. (Now I've got to acquire a new something-or-other to save my documents again, not wanting to erase what's already on the other thumb drives or whatever they're called that I've got lying around.)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Just thought I would say here--just saw my favorite still together band for the first time. They have been together for ten years. Two others were with them, but most of the concert went to the group. Great concert--they played their latest and many of their older hits. I had forgotten a couple of them.

I had to rush after work and sacrifice my writing for the evening but still I'm glad I went.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Re: the abovementioned problems with my Favorite Places list. I thought I had it worked out, with everything recovered. But Sunday, for some reason beyond my understanding, the list somehow flipped itself---dividing at about the halfway point, and putting the last half first and the first half last.

Everything's still there---it's just a damned awkward thing, and, no, I have no idea how it happened. Did I touch something, or did it do it on its own, and if the latter, why?

I was a-gonna save the list October First, but with it in this state I don't know. I can untangle it but it would be kind of tedious work...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Addendum to the above: it does look like some websites dropped out in the middle of the list (the beginnings and ends now.) I'll just have to replace it with the last copy, now...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
After more gyrations in this...this morning all my Favorite Places disappeared again. I uploaded from the last one I saved---yesterday---and am still left wondering what's going on.

Ah, well. I'll be out of town for a few days and won't have to worry about it till I get back.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
From a post I left about a year ago:

I see they do have Captain American costumes for adults this year.

No, Dray Prescott outfit though. I would have to make one myself.

Anyway, still no place to wear them. Or is there--Hmm, a charity is have a Masquerade for a fund raiser. Don't know how much it costs nor if there is a style of costume they want. But I almost want to go.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I had two more thoughts on potential Costumes.

One is an angel outfit. The only problem would be the wings--as I see them--would be heavy after a while even if made out of super light material, and they might end up smacking someone if I wore them to a party.

Second is an outfit the King of Cats wore to a party. To get an idea of that outfit you would have to read the first ten pages or so of "Winter Long" by Seanan McGuire and where would I find brown leather pants like those. I could of course dye my hair to have the tabby look. Pointed ears would be easy too.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Maybe the Statue of Liberty guys could loan one of their outfits out...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Maybe the Statue of Liberty guys could loan one of their outfits out...

chuckle
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Here's a link to something you might find interesting.
An online forum-convention.
"Our forum for our CygCon Free Online SFF and Writing Convention"

There are discussions dealing with robots, steampunk, fantasy, nanotech, your favorite writer.

Here it is

[ October 27, 2014, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: LDWriter2 ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Looks like you didn't paste it in right.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
This time it worked, last time I don't know what happened.

I know what I did wrong--egads.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Oops, forgot something important: the link to the online convention
The Con
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Going over this page, I see I was complaining about microwave shopping. Then it was microwaves...now it's my dishwasher. Last week it started not washing properly; Saturday it won't run at all.

So yesterday I went and bought a new one---different brand; I was never that fond of this one's design---and now I'm waiting for someone to deliver and install it.

A household is just one thing going wrong after another---and this is nothing compared to the repiping job I had to do last year.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Done and done. Now I have to nerve myself to go car shopping...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Just in this last week, two of my pre-set-button radio stations started running all-Christmas music all the time. One last Friday, one sometime over the weekend. Now, one of 'em did it last year...but the other is the former "oldies" station, though it changed to "The River" and now runs less and less of what I like---at least when it's running straight songs.

Either way, it's too damned early to start, so far before Thanksgiving. And, besides, there's not much imagination in the versions they choose. For every song worth hearing, you have to wade through endless versions by Mannheimer Steamroll or Bubbly Michael or whoever.
 
Posted by cowgirl.jake (Member # 10345) on :
 
Fun fact:Did you know that if you put pure cayenne pepper under your tongue it could stop a heart attack instantly? I use Dr. Christopher's.
 
Posted by Lamberguesa (Member # 10320) on :
 
cowgirl: if these posts had a "Like" button, I'd use it on yours [Wink]

A.L.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Update: Christmas music has started spilling over into other stations, but now it's post-Thanksgiving and more appropriate. I look forward to hearing old favorites among the carols.

But the two abovementioned stations do endlessly repeat assorted versions of the same songs. You hear "Frosty the Snowman," say, by Gene Autry, by Burl Ives, by Jimmy Durante, and by Willie Nelson. (In some ways I don't mind---it's often the only time I hear most of these guys sing anything on the radio anymore.)

I wouldn't mind hearing a few more versions of familiar songs---say, the Fab Four Christmas set, or the Ventures Christmas album. But I can do that on my own. (I hope to obtain a CD of the Phil Spector Christmas album during the seaon, or, if not that, to download it from iTunes if available.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight, / 'Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good night!'"
 
Posted by Josephine Kait (Member # 8157) on :
 
Happy Christmas everybody!!!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Yo Merry Christmas to each and every one of you.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
While I am here I decided to add this-something I had been thinking of posting for a month.

On the way to taking my daughter to her grandfather's then to work, I noticed that someone had done donuts in a not so busy intersection during the night. Three times--someone at work thought it might have been a group playing follow the leader in cars. Anyway; one of them left some tire behind. I don't mean the black marks, I mean chunks of tire. Three pieces at least.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We had a guy do donuts on the road outside the plant when he retired. I won't---I need those tires.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Well well


HappY NeW YeaR to everyone here. [Smile]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm claiming the first Dancing Statues of Liberty sighting of 2015; this morning, January 9th, two of them, same location. I was half-expecting them last week, but they didn't show.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Dancing Statues of Liberty????????!

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Guys (usually) who cross-dress (when they're guys) and stand outside in the USA from January to April 15th---living ads for Liberty Tax Services, who usually have an office nearby.
 
Posted by Will Blathe (Member # 10300) on :
 
Take a sentence and rewrite it differently a dozen times.

I did this once and ended up with a dozen different stories.
 
Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
That's usually how I get my stories. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
I'm claiming the first Dancing Statues of Liberty sighting of 2015; this morning, January 9th, two of them, same location. I was half-expecting them last week, but they didn't show.

Awww, I completely forgot to post about my first sighting--might have been the same day as yours.

But mine was only one.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
But mine was only one.
So far, four in three different locations.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I have been seeing more. One was kinda of dancing-not bad at twirling the sign.

But so far neither of the guitar playing ones from last year.
 
Posted by Will Blathe (Member # 10300) on :
 
You know, those Dancing Statues had their grey-matter scooped out and replaced by Cheeze Whiz. The result is an army, slowly growing year after year. Who controls the Dancing Statues of Liberty?

Be very afraid, people. Be very afraid.
 
Posted by Bent Tree (Member # 7777) on :
 
Sometimes I see those sign-twirling folks out of the corner of my eye and imagine them as some circus version of a color guard, twirling machine guns.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There are lots of 'em around---there are quite a few spinning "Buy Gold" signs---but the Statues of Liberty seem to be the only single species out there in my area.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
we have quite a few of the Gold signs but a few others too. Pizza, cell phones.

But today the statures were more active with their signs. And I may not be remembering right but the signs seem different and maybe larger. Oh so do the crowns.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Maybe your area has new outfits, but mine look like the same old robes and crowns. The guys doing it are different. One guy from last year was pretty lively, livelier than the ones I've seen so far. Maybe he got a better gig...
 
Posted by babooher (Member # 8617) on :
 
So I'm at my Tae Kwon Do class and I'm sparring with the teacher. He tells me I'm thinking too much. He then asks if I think when I'm writing. Uh...yeah.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Asian Cup winners:

Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi, oi, oi.

Phil.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Not sure where else to put this but I was finally able to update my e-mail address so in case anyone wants to contact me they can use the forum's button.

I updated my home computer's OS in the precess since than I noticed there was a place for all my stories passwords. So it finally hit me that this password would be there. It was but dotted out. Oh good grief however a second later I saw a box that said passwords so I checked it and when I highlighted the right place it showed the real password. Yay.

So I went online and change my e-maill address, but once done I couldn't sign in again. Yikes it looks like any change in the profile and you need to put in a new password.

So I found a way to contact the forum's people--not sure why I didn't do that before. Maybe I missed it when I looked or maybe they never responded. In either case I now have the right E-mail address and a shiny new password.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
One if my local tax businesses is using a Minion to advertise their service. I believe it's a new business or in a new spot.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Noting in passing that the Dancing Statues of Liberty have all packed up their togas and crowns and gone home. No sign of 'em today.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I meant to say this aa week before the 16th but actually some disappeared around here at a week and a half early.

I was at a corner--opposite of where one hangs out-and I noticed no statue. I blinked and thought "Hey, I don't recall seeing any for a day or three." But a few days later that one was back. So maybe they called in sick one day or all the old ones quit at the same time, or????

And not to by nitpick even I am, I think that is a dress on the Stature of Liberty. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Actually, I've never thought about it before, but what the heck IS Ms. Liberty wearing? That thing doesn't look like any dress, gown, robe, or toga style I'm aware of from fashion history. Not that fashion is my strong suit, but that is a weird garment.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I just looked over a close up of the statue and I think it's two garments. One a dress and over that some type of robe--could be a toga.
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
You might be right. The dress of a modern woman and a toga to credit the Greeks with the invention of democracy? (And Roman numerals on her tablet. Isn't she just a hodge-podge of history?)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
According to Wikipedia, she's wearing a stola and pella, or "gown" and "cloak" in English...traditional garb for Roman goddesses.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Some recent upgrade to my AOL account seems to have turned on Spell Checking for everything I try to post somewhere...I don't know why. I mean, I use Spell Check when writing, but it does tell me things are misspelled when I know they're not---things like my own name. (Glad it didn't switch on automatic correction.)
 
Posted by dkr (Member # 10397) on :
 
Yikes! Spent the night flirting with a MILE WIDE tornado down here in Texas. Always fun [Eek!]
 
Posted by MattLeo (Member # 9331) on :
 
Robert has this correct. In early Rome women citizens did wear togas, but from the late Republic onward only men and prostitutes were allowed to. Eventually the simpler pallium (a rectangular cloak) supplanted the elaborately draped toga for everyday menswear.

Proper Roman ladies of the later periods wore a light under-tunic, over that a stola or dress, and over all a palla which was identical to the male pallium and could be draped over the head if need be. This is precisely what Lady Liberty wears: a palla fastened at the left shoulder with a brooch over a pleated long-sleeved stola. Long sleeves were considered effeminate.

Fun fact about the toga: candidates for elective office used to whiten their togas with chalk in order to stand out from the crowd; this is the source of our word "candidate" (candida = "white").
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Also the letters and Roman numerals on the tabula ansata she's holding are JULY IV MDCCCLXXVI---July 4th, 1776.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Funny how things set things off in my mind...this morning, I read a story about the last two surviving Howard Johnson's restaurants---one in Bangor, Maine, one in Lake George, New York.

The one in Lake George got me thinking of one I used to visit with my parents in nearby Glens Falls while passing by on vacations...I remembered once being sick in there when I was twelve, but it had nothing to do with the food, just having drunk too much at a friend's bar mitzvah (one reason why I don't drink these days)...not so happy, but the rest of the time it's all happy memories.

I remembered they used to have these really unique-for-its-day salt-and-pepper shakers, or at least they seemed so to me. They were plastic / acrylic, roughly about three by four inches, and the salt went in one side and the pepper in another...you pressed a button on each side for salt and for pepper...I remember thinking they were really cool. You could buy one---they sold them at this particular Howard Johnson's restaurant, but I never saw them at any other one, or anywhere else---but I couldn't persuade my parents to buy one as a souvenir.

Still, I got to thinking about these shakers again...awakening in me a nearly-fifty-year-old desire to buy and possess one. So far I've been searching on Amazon-dot-com looking for them...but they've got some fifteen thousand or more different salt-and-pepper shakers available, and attempts to narrow the search haven't turned anything up.

Funny, isn't it? I'll try out a few other ideas, look in a few more places, until the urge to possess dies down again, or until I at least locate a picture of one...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I did find a picture of it, through Bing-Pinterest-Etsy.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d3/8d/8e/d38d8ee424671b2b965f61b6d882c0ea.jpg

Out of stock, alas...
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Is this close enough, Robert?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yup, that's it, exactly. The price-with-shipping is within my means---cheap, actually, considering. Ordered it just a few minutes ago---never used eBay before, far as I can remember, so I had to set up (another) account for it.

Thanks, Kathleen, for helping me scratch an old itch...
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Happy to be of assistance.

[Smile]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Got it.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thanks for letting me know. Hope all is satisfactory. (I feel a bit invested in the whole process, I guess.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I just found out that my printer / fax / copier / combo can print on both sides of the paper without my having to flip anything over---something I didn't know before, and something, I swear, the manual didn't say.

I plan to use it again, once I figure out what I did to get it to do it...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Handy trick there Robert.
 
Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
Fish can read your mind right before you sneeze.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
But can they wipe the snot off your top lip?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Speaking of the Statue of Liberties that make the rounds a certain time of the year.

Around here we have booth fairies at this time of the year. All of a sudden one morning every year at this time stacks of thin wooden walls appear here and there. 20+ years and only once I have I seen some of these stacked on a flat bed truck. As I said they just appear, in the early hours of the day. And anywhere from one day to 5+ they form into booths. I think I have seen people working on the them twice in that same 20+ years. They first appear and then they form themselves into 12 feet by four feet or so booths.

As I said fairies.
 
Posted by Smiley (Member # 9379) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy old guy:
But can they wipe the snot off your top lip?

Unfortunately, no. [Frown]
 
Posted by Mecopitch (Member # 10173) on :
 
Wife and I started watching the Harry Potter films last week. One a day. Hearing the score of John Williams is making me itch for the new Star Wars film.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm gonna do without the new Star Wars films, at least till they're on video. I wasn't that happy with the last three, and it's getting harder and harder for me to sit through a three hour movie that doesn't have an intermission / bathroom break.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I'm of mixed opinion about the upcoming Star Wars films, myself. Lucas isn't in charge any more, and I'm 97% certain he's the reason the last trilogy went weird. (The general consensus my friends and I have come to is nobody bothered to tell him when his ideas were bad any more. Have you seen the original Star Wars script?) Disney tends to do good work. Sometimes. Not always. But sometimes.

Despite all my wariness, I really do want to see them and it's hard to explain why.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I think Lucas may be something like Eisenstein...powerful imagery but lack of any real characters one can empathize with, or a story that puts them to best advantage. Possibly American Graffiti and the first Star Wars trilogy were the height of his powers as a filmmaker---and the last two of the trilogy were directed by others.

Probably American Graffiti represents Lucas's most influential work---after all, though it was hardly the first movie to do so, it did bring a new way of hearing music in movies to the mainstream.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I've never seen American Graffiti. I really ought to, at some point.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Pops up on cable on a regular basis. It's also on the Xfinity on-demand movie service, I don't know for how much.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I am late to this discussion,

but I am eager to see the new Star Wars at the theater. Even though, Robert, you do have a point about the long movies [Smile]

I wasn't that disappointed with the last three even parts of them could have been done better.

So far, from the trailers, the new one looks intriguing and evidently they are doing some side issue movies too.

I watched American Graffiti when it first came out and it wasn't bad.

As to which Lucas film was his best--I can't say since I haven't watched them all. Didn't he do the Aliens Vs Cowboys one?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The things you miss...

About an hour ago I was mowing the lawn. (A terrible ordeal, but that's not the point.) I was listening to my iPod, and it played a song, "Turn the Beat Around," by Vicky Sue Robinson. Disco era seventies song, I liked it enough to put it on my iPod.

But I was listening to that song, and suddenly---these things always hit me suddenly---I heard the first line as "Turn the beat around...got to hear percussion..." Somehow I'd always heard that as "got to hear the gotcha..." and, only today, some nearly forty years after I first heard the song...I finally understood what it was all about.
 
Posted by Mecopitch (Member # 10173) on :
 
Cowboys and Aliens was written by most of the guys from ABC's LOST and directed by Jon Favrau (Iron Man)
I definitely enjoyed that movie.

If I had my way, I'd get a Han Solo origin movie.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I thought I saw an article somewhere saying that a Han Solo origin film is in the works...

Found it!

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/07/han-solo-movie-phil-lord-chris-miller-star-wars
 
Posted by Mecopitch (Member # 10173) on :
 
I must be a prophet... Now to see if I can profit from it.

If I had my way, I'd be finished with my book and content to work on my next project...

And now we play the waiting game.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mecopitch:
I must be a prophet... Now to see if I can profit from it.

If you really want your Han Solo fix, there's three novels that have been written about him by A.C. Crispin (who I just found out died two years ago). There's another trilogy that technically nestles into that timeline, too, but those books are... not as good.

For a long time I was weirdly jealous of A.C. Crispin for getting to basically write licensed fanfiction. (I also read way too many Star Wars books around age 15 because I had a teenage obsession with Han Solo. That was what really taught me that different writers handle characters in different ways, and some of them are excellent at butchering things.)
 
Posted by Mecopitch (Member # 10173) on :
 
The Corellian series of books is a fine example of butchering. I would have such a hard time letting another storyteller get a hold of my characters.
 
Posted by babooher (Member # 8617) on :
 
A former student of mine contacted me on Facebook. She was in my class about 10 years ago (I cannot believe how time flies!). She said her son had just read one of my old stories. I'm not sure if she had gotten a copy of the story when it came out (because it came out around the time she was my student) or if she somehow managed to track it down now. In any event, it was so cool to know that not only had she liked it, but her son had also liked it. Mind blown.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Petty frustration.

I dropped into an office supply store, looking for a tablet to buy. I think I found one---one of the Microsoft models with attachable keyboard. I think it'll do for my limited needs. (My Nook Color is proving inadequate for access; it works, but I need something a little better.)

But not only did the store not have them in stock, it proved impossible to even order one. There's a sales tax holiday on down here in Florida right now; I'd hoped to get it during then and save a bundle on what seems to me a high-ticket item.

Further petty frustration:

I decided to drop into another branch of the office supply store, just to see if that store had it in stock. I suspected they wouldn't, but the store was close enough and I wanted to check.

But, not only were there no sales personnel around to answer questions, when I went to the cashier, I wound up directly behind a group with a basket of school supplies, arguing about what kind of discount they should be getting. I observed five minutes of it before saying, "The hell with this," and left.

I went groceryshopping nearby, about fifteen minutes, and passed by the office supply store on the way out. Then, and only then, was that group with the school supplies coming out the door. I felt I'd already spent enough time that day looking for answers and drove on.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I'm not trying to defend the retailers by any means, but speaking as someone who's been on the receiving end of coupon exchanges like that, it's every bit as frustrating for the cashier. The fault is often--not always, but often--on the customer's end because they failed to read the bargains fully. I have the weirdest compulsion to apologize, despite the fact that I work for a different company in a completely different state. I think that means I've been in the business too long....
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Irritating, to be sure...but not uncommon. I---a cash-paying customer---have gotten stuck in the supermarket behind some arguments about what you can and cannot buy with food stamps. Sometimes it's something as mundane as what particular kind of grapes are on the approved list.

I'm no big fan of the food stamp program...but, seems to me, I don't see why, say, accepting something like from the government gives the government a say about what the recipient can and cannot eat. For all I care, they can blow it all on beer or sugary snacks.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Meanwhile, I plan to pop up to Office Supply Store Number Two later this morning---just for the hell of it.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Predictably, they were out of it, too. Ah, well...
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Okay, I know this doesn't really matter to anyone but me, but I have to vent. I work as a shift supervisor at a pharmacy chain (not going to mention which one, because that doesn't matter). My store manager got fired in January and I got stuck filling his shoes until they could hire an official replacement. I applied for the manager position but didn't get it because the woman who got hired had more experience. That's fine. I like my new store manager, she's awesome.

What I'm upset about is that after I knew I didn't have the job I applied for an assistant manager position at a nearby store in the chain because it was available and the manager of that store suggested I do it. I went in for the interview. She made it sound like I was a shoe-in. She then proceeded to never call me back and proved impossible for me to reach. A couple months later I found out someone else got the position.

For the last month or two that store has had serious staffing problems. Today after I get off my morning shift at my store I get to go in and close at the other store. I *really* don't want to, because I'm still upset about the bull excrement that happened with my ASM application. I may end up working there two or three days next week in addition to the four days I'm scheduled at my home store, which is compounded by the fact that two people took vacation this week at my store so I was already scheduled nine days before my next day off. As a result I may end up working two weeks straight at minimum. It's just a frustrating situation on the whole.[/vent]

[ August 15, 2015, 02:48 PM: Message edited by: Disgruntled Peony ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Sounds like they've taken advantage of you...how many hours per week are you getting this way? Any overtime?
 
Posted by wetwilly (Member # 1818) on :
 
Disgruntled one, just tell them they can take their paychecks, and keep giving them to you while you seethe in silence.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Sounds like a toxifying workplace, if the workplace wasn't toxic before . . . Oh joy. Chainstore corporations are prone to toxic workplaces, usually due to regional manager bonus greed.

That I know of, only one major pharmacy chain's corporate culture resorts to split-shift multi store clerk and supervisor scheduling. The others, by corporate policy, no multiple store staffing, and in-store management works the extra hours of short staffing, an incentivization to suitably hire and retain staff and manage workplace harmony and morale and curtail toxic culture.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I think I've got 50 hours slated for last week, and I will be getting paid overtime, so there is that. This isn't a commonplace problem, at least not in the front end of my specific store (although I have noticed things like that happen far more often on pharmacy's end). After having visited the other store, combined with things I've been told by other people who worked there temporarily or full-time, it sounds like that store's manager has harbored such a hostile work environment that all her shift supervisors quit on her at pretty much the same time. Maybe I'm better off for not having gotten that position after all.

In any case, it's a temporary situation that will eventually pass. I do feel like the district manager doesn't care that particularly much for how his employees feel so long as the business runs, though. The main reason I'm still here is because, as I said, my store manager is awesome. It was a pleasant surprise.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Do you get comped for travel?
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I got comped for traveling to a training last week; I'm going to ask my manager if I can apply for mileage for this trip too.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I think you've got the matter in hand, however inconvenient it might be---especially if they comp you for travel.

Don't haul anything from place to place in your car, if you travel to and fro by your own car. Your insurance won't cover an accident.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
My insurance policy does cover incidental business travel in a personal vehicle, the liability facets, required by state law. A business use rider is available for comprehensive damage coverage of an insured's personal vehicle.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I am, in fact, going to get mileage for this and even with all the craziness of working 6 days a week my husband and I actually get tomorrow off together. Thank goodness for small miracles. My frustrations from the other day have lessened considerably.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Disgruntled Peony: good luck.

extrinsic: I brought it up because I remembered someone at a fast food restaurant I worked at getting in terrible trouble for just that reason.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I've lived in states where vehicle insurance policies vary about all sorts of do's and don'ts. One had a policy that impacted incidental drivers: no young male drivers covered not listed on the policy and for which premiums were paid. The same state also used to not cover business property damaged in personal vehicle wrecks until the state went no-fault.

The current state I live in, the policy I have does require report of if a personal vehicle is used regularly for business use and how many miles per year. Plus other questionaire items, like total operation miles, type of travel, whether garaged, off-street lot parked, or street parked, and whether used for work commute. The answers affect premium discounts, of which I qualify for a maximum amount, thankfully, essentially equivalent to two free months per year.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Just went and splurged $75 on a thesaurus. Why, you ask?

Well, I'm old school and I like flicking through pages in a book, also IMHO, I can get a more exact match for the word I'm looking for than scrolling through a drop-down list of recommendations chosen by a software algorithm. MS Word doesn't even rate.

With a book I get to choose a more nuanced context for the word I'm trying to find. Then I not only get a list of alternative words but some phrases as well. A cornucopia of choice. [Smile]

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Been meaning to pick up something along those lines. Somewhere I have a couple of copies of Roget's, the cheap paperback edition---but, given the state of my files, somewhere means I can't find them or get to them easy.

The other day, I wanted to look up something in the James Blish Star Trek novelizations---suspicions about a snatch of dialog---but there are too many boxes in front of my bookshelves in my so-called library to get to it that easy. I'll get to that eventually.

But it'd be easier to buy a new thesaurus---and probably a better one, too. On a couple of online comic sites, I've been posting parodies of this poem or that song---and when I need to look up something that means something, for just the right syllables and stresses, it would help to have a thesaurus handy. (Online resources are okay but awkward for me to manipulate. A while back I bought a new rhyming dictionary, same reasons.)
 
Posted by MattLeo (Member # 9331) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy old guy:
Just went and splurged $75 on a thesaurus. Why, you ask?

Well, I'm old school and I like flicking through pages in a book,

I like the discovery process that you get from flipping through pages too, but you should also give systems based on Stanford's Wordnet project a look. Wordnet is the largest and most up-to-date word database in the world.

What you get depends on the features the application designer has chosen; Wordnet has so many nobody implements all of them. For example Wordnet understands part-of relationships ("finger" --> "hand"; "foil" --> "forte") etc. It understands hypernyms ("anger" --> "emotion") and hyponyms ("anger" --> "indignation").

You can get a bit of a sense for the power of Wordnet by checking out this site's data on anger. If you click on the "S" next to the sense you want and choose "full hyponym" it'll lay out all the more specific words it knows for "anger".

Of course the Wordnet project's interface is terrible. For fun you might try out Visuwords for fun, e.g. the Visuword entry for ghostly. You can click on any of the floating balloons to expand it. It has some of the same spontaneous feel that paper does, although it doesn't implement the full Wordnet functionality.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I'm partial to a synonym and antonym dictionary -- word nuance distinctions; for example, "perceptible, sensible, palpable, tangible, ponderable mean apprehensible as real or existent . . . " (each word's nuanced sensory distinction explained) according to Webster's 11th Collegiate.

The most up-to-date U.S. dialect print Webster's dictionary ( 2003) incorporates synonym and antonym distinction into dictionary definition entries. The college edition comes with a companion software application. A 1942 hardcover Webster's Dictionary of Synonyms and Antonyms sets ready on my handiest bookshelf beside several thesauri and is regularly referenced and indispensable.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
That's next on the shopping list, along with a dictionary of common Latin phrases.

Phil.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Googled "common Latin phrases" and these are the first four links to show (might save you a little money, Phil):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/07/25/latin-words-and-phrases-every-man-should-know/

http://mentalfloss.com/article/57898/20-latin-phrases-you-should-be-using

https://www.englishclub.com/vocabulary/fw-latin-phrases.htm

By the way, I didn't read any of them through, so I don't know if the second link would be helpful to women or not. [Smile]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Thanks for that kdw. Fiat pax Translation: Let there be peace. Or, for the tried and true: pax vobiscum Peace be with you.

Phil.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Like [Smile]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
(maybe I've been spending too much time on FB)
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I sometimes use Latin phrases in my writings. I have a link to two translation sites but these could come in handier.

Even though not aimed at me Thanks Kathleen
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Now for the reason I came to this site tonight.


A while back we discussed sightings of cross dressing Statue of Liberties. And I have mentioned piles of wood frames that show up three weeks before the Fourth. Now I would like to mention the sightings that mean Halloween is coming.

Spirit stories. Costume stories opened just one time of the year. I don't how wide spread they are, but around here they pop up a month or so before Oct 31. Over a week ago was stopped at a red light and looked around. Bong--a Spirit store on that corner. Whoa, it's that time already? Actually I think it was early but can't swear to it. There's another one whose name I can't recall but the same idea. Spirit though is everywhere around here.

Oh and now there is a year round costume store open in town. They advertise for cosplay as well as halloween. If they ever have another SF convention or steampunk here I might check them out.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We've got the popup Halloween stores and at least one permanent costume store in our town, too. Usually they set up in some old former something-or-other but-now-closed store---one I have in mind sets up in an old Best Buy store. (I'll be going that way later today, I expect I'll see whether they set up there or not.)

Christmas shops down here do a pretty good business, though they set up in smaller stores---though the one year-round one I knew about closed recently.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I did see it yesterday. It was a "Spirit of Halloween" store.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I think we've got a Halloween shop setting up in my town, too. At my work we usually start selling Halloween merch in early September, so it's actually right about on schedule.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Addendum to the above: I did manage to fight my way through my messes and get to the James Blish "Star Trek" novelizations. The line I remember wasn't in them---next I've got to check out some old videotape version, and see if it was just edited out...but that's a project for my upcoming vacation in October, I think. (If I remember to do it.)
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Random note of weirdness: the Halloween store that shows up in my town always gives me a weird sense of nostalgia, because I actually used to work in that same storefront back when it was a Hollywood Video. So... Up until about five or six years ago when the company went bankrupt.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
On the Halloween shop---I can clue you in that the "Spirit of Halloween" stores did a mass mailing in our area. (Have I mentioned I work for the US Postal Service?) Shiny postcards, fall / Halloween colors, with some models in costumes and some written copy. Not really enough time to read it as it went through, but, then, we're not allowed to, technically, except with postcards 'cause it can't be helped.

If one turns up in my mailbox I'll share more with you about it...
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Serendipity --

The old laptop self-destructed, blew a gasket and failed systemically. The old thing had been on life support for five years. Half the keyboard keys were gone, no markings left on the remainder -- worn. Squirrels that turned the cooling fan eloped with gerbils of the HDMI bridge into digital orbit. An external laptop fan cooler was pressed into service years ago. The on/off switch broke; a pencil tip pressed the switch for a while, though finally gave out. RAM was burnt to a diminished capacity. The hard drive was seventeen-twentieths full. The thing was ten years old and an off-lease purchased used at that and pitiful though worked until it didn't anymore.

All is not lost! Fortunately, regular backups preserved all data. A quick image of the hard drive onto a vault drive recovered everything else and right up to and including the moment the laptop failed. The hard drive is also still intact if needed again.

I had another identical laptop in service. Reloaded a few software applications onto it I hadn't yet gotten around to. Back to square one at no great loss.

Shopping now for another laptop to place in service. Instead of loading all the data from the vault drive, it will stay where it is except for current needs. Another vault drive for backups is indicated.

Providence favors the prepared.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I'm glad you didn't lose anything! [Smile]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
A new thought here with Halloween coming,

I thought of a very easy, simple, not so gross costume that would fit right in with the pop culture.

No, not Supergirl, a crossdressing super hero is more complicated than what I was thinking of. Even though Simon Green has one-three points if your know where. Six if you know the name and outfit.

Anyway: I don't usually do horror or even watch it so much anymore but I was subjected to various TV ads for "Fear of The Walking Dead" when me and my wife watched TV at one point when we were in the mountains. (There is a post that covers that some of you might have missed)

Anyway, go as a Fear zombie. All I would need is maybe a bit of fake blood on my shirt under my mouth, maybe a bullet hole somewhere but that's getting into complicated stuff. So just one of my nicer shirts and pants as If I was out on a date when I became a zombie. And make chomping noises every now and then. 
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
One of the weirdest nights I had at work was on a Halloween. There was a guy in fairly realistic zombie makeup who came in and made a purchase--Red Bull or something. He was the most cheerful, friendly zombie I've ever seen. XD
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
One of the local costume stores [not "Spirit"] had a dancing clown outside it. Cousin of the Dancing Statues of Liberty?
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
My husband needs a new job. [Frown] He works with the developmentally disabled. Right now the site he works is so understaffed he's stuck working 12 hour days every day until they can train somebody, which probably means he'll still be doing that next week when we have our wedding anniversary. This will be the second year anniversary of our marriage, and the second year he's had to work overtime on said anniversary.

I'm honestly not angry about it, because it's no one's fault. My husband just really needs a new job, and right now he doesn't even have time to look for a new one.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
What a job! The way of the toxic workplace, can't make time to get out of the salt mine and the salt mine won't let anyone out even for significant occasions. Used to have jobs like that and no personal life. The old feudal estate system reinvented for contemporary times stakes an illusion of vocational and other mobilities as personal choice; therefore, a cage without bars.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Funnily enough, less than three hours after I left that comment, we found out he might get our anniversary off after all. Maybe. I'm not holding my breath (but oh goodness I totally am).
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Good luck with your husband's on-the-job problems.

*****

My WiFi connection had an epic fail this morning; in the process of dealing with that I found the router I mainly used is unsupported, and in trying to establish connections and change names and passwords on the "other" router (provided by the cable company that provides the connection), my WiFi has been in and out and on and off all day. Been trying to deal with it (also on and off) all day and I've got most of it, I think. But it seems slower...
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
We got our router from the cable company and it's had to get replaced three times in the last year. I feel your pain.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My old-old router was plugged into my cable company router---so far this morning, working directly with that router, service has been somewhat slower than it usually was. (I've reset it [again] and also moved it a few feet closer, which improved it a little.)

If I have to I'll get a new one and plug it into the cable company one again...but I'll try to work with this one for a while, and put that off till my impending vacation when I have free time to deal.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
The other temp costume story is Spooky. There's not near as many as Spirit but there have been there at the very least three years. And last year I am sure I saw a third.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Celebrate Back to the Future Day! October 15th, 2015, the day Marty McFly visited the future in "Back to the Future II."

Of course there are no flying cars or hoverboards, and Chicago is down three games in the playoffs...I suppose McFly's adventures in time with Doc Brown somehow altered things, but, hey, you can't have everything.

There's even been a fair amount of media coverage of it, too...
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/27/investing/walgreens-rite-aid-deal/

Well, I'm doomed. My store is kitty-corner from a Walgreen's and we don't make all that much profit. I foresee our store being one of the first to close next fall.

I knew there was a reason I wanted out.

Sorry the stuff I keep posting in this thread is the opposite of fun. XP It's been a rough year.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Pretty much. Both stores usually linger for a while---sometimes they even put up new signs on the old store---but, eventually, one closes.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Yeah... I worked through two different store closings back when I worked at Hollywood Video. I'm in no mood to go through that again. Time to either find a better job or go back to college.

Edit: They're billing this in company as a positive change. We shall see.

[ October 28, 2015, 02:30 PM: Message edited by: Disgruntled Peony ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Positive change for the company bottom line maybe. Aggregation and agglomeration costs jobs, period. The ideas behind acquisitions and mergers are to streamline operations, economize and commodify efficiency, consolidate competition, centralize administration, and expand revenue growth. That latter, that's the real merger driver.

In a market where real growth is stagnant, consumer population increase or increase market share capture through mergers, or both, drives revenue growth. Though a zero sum scenario: one entity gains (revenue growth) at the proportionate cost of another entity or entities' loss (displaced workers).

Agglomeration is a consequence of the industrial revolution and eliminates jobs, permanently, especially medium to high-paid skilled worker jobs. Industrialization also eliminates jobs by mechanization, automation, and production displacement -- jobs exported abroad to lower labor cost regions. Consider that one average backhoe digger eliminates a hundred laborers' jobs. Of course, the efficiency of a backhoe trumps twenty or so hand shovel operators on a job site, and who enjoys the back-strain of digging holes anyway? Yet that backhoe paradigm exemplifies the progress trap progression of labor devaluation: excess surplus labor, and eventual, if not sooner, a disappointed and dissatisfied and displaced, blighted, or eliminated labor pool. Fertile fodder for public welfare, social corruption, and crime.

Possible antitrust issues are under consideration for the merger. Some units cannot be acquired because of trust law complications. Also, companies are supposed to offer employees compatible reassignments when mergers displace them from their jobs. Some workers invariably fall through the cracks -- my usual happenstance -- until I developed my own businesses.

[ October 28, 2015, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I bought a car today. A 2016 white Ford Mustang. Of course it doesn't fly and the whole procedure was a great giant stress maker, but I've got it now, it handles well...and all I have to do is figure out how I'll handle it and what all those newfangled electronic gizmo buttons do.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
That sounds like quite the adventure! Congratulations. ^_^
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I saw one of the Statues of Liberty today---out of season, too.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm having trouble with my high-speed connection---suddenly it's gotten slow as dial-up. For the last week, it's mostly been that way. (Though it seemed fine early this morning.)

I've been trying to troubleshoot it, without much luck. I even deleted my AOL program and downloaded it again to see if anything improved. No luck.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
One thing that might help is to give the modem or router what I call a "kick in the head" by which I mean pull the plug on it and wait at least 10 seconds and let it reboot.

That helps when our connection slows down.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Cable, broadband, wi-fi all slow down when demand on the pipeline is heavy. This time of year people are more indoors and use connections more. Peak times are evenings, holidays, weekends, and wintertimes. Plus, subscriber numbers to a given access point increase over time, until or if a new service line area is installed. Also, if a user's demand is heavy, filters choke down connection speed. Cable service providers do that to restrict personal connections being used for server activities.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Problem solved, maybe. I mentioned a while ago, I think, that I used a router and plugged it into the router the cable company gave me---then that had an epic fail some months ago and I was working the cable company router.

Yesterday I bought a new router and today I plugged it into the c-company router, and, so far this morning, internet speed works fine with this new network.

I'll see how it goes---it is, after all, plugged into the old one that gave me trouble---but, so far, so good.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Today was an adventure. Drove an hour and a half north to my sister in law's baby shower today. By the time I left, the local area had gotten 6 inches of snow (although things got better the further south I got). The drive home was intense and nervewracking, but I made it through in one piece.

I did have one close call:

A car had gone off into the ditch at the bottom of a hill. It was in the process of getting towed, and traffic was heavily backed up on the hill as a result. I had a pick up truck with a trailer in front of me, and I didn't know I needed to stop until practically the last second because he slowed to a stop almost immediately after he crossed over the hill and out of my sight. Because of the snow, my brakes wouldn't work fast enough for me to avoid hitting him unless I also swerved off the road. Thankfully there was no ditch on my part of the slope, I didn't get stuck, and I didn't hit anything. I was able to pull back onto the road in a matter of seconds.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Driving in heavy snow is tricky. I went through a whole winter of stop-and-skid before being [forcibly] relocated to Florida. There were times when my car would climb part-way up a hill and then slide back to the bottom.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Driving in heavy snow is tricky. I went through a whole winter of stop-and-skid before being [forcibly] relocated to Florida. There were times when my car would climb part-way up a hill and then slide back to the bottom.

Sounds almost fun If it wasn't frustrating, potentially dangerous and making you late. [Wink]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Actually I was on my way home at the time...and, no, it wasn't any fun at all.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Happy Thanksgiving, to those that celebrate it! To those that don't, have a wonderful day. [Smile]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The last couple of days I've had trouble with my wireless mouse---thing kept freezing up on me. I'd forgotten, or it hadn't ever occurred to me, that (1) a wireless mouse would have to have its own power source in the form of batteries, and (2) those batteries would eventually run down.

But I was able to track down how to change them, which, once I did it, wasn't a big deal. And they were just double-A batteries, 'cause if they'd been something like one of those coin-shaped things, I'd've been out of luck for a few days till I could get to the store and match it.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Yeah Robert, I know the feeling. I work with an older pen tablet. And it started to go on the fritz much tp my dismay. I even went out and started to price new ones which only encouraged my resolve to see if I could fix the old one. I realized that the pen had a battery in it and replaced it with a feeling of Ahhhhhh, but it didn't fix the problem UUUGGGGGGG. I replaced the driver. Still nothing but a lot of time wasted. Thank the heavens for you tube. I actually ended up doing a very specific search for my type pen tablet and the problem it was showing and one in a million chance came across someone extremely smart that had a video that showed how to clean the leads. Now it works perfectly. Ahhhhhhhh. But it was a long head pounding two months of searching for a solution only because I didn't want to pay the absorbent prices a pen tablet cost these days and they are obsolete in six months.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
YouTube saved me a service call for my dryer the other day---found a video for fixing the fan, which wasn't what I wanted to do, but it told me how to open up the front of the machine, which I wanted to do. (Why? Dead rat inside.)
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I'm frustrated right now with Ebay. Ordered an electronic device that was supposedly from a multiple-star seller (in Hong Kong--my first red flag?), and signed for the delivery today.

Opened the box and it was something else entirely. Still an electronic device, but absolutely not what I ordered - wrong manufacturer, wrong type of device, etc, etc, etc.

Contacted Ebay and jumped through their hoops and now have to wait until next week so that the seller can respond (and tell me how to return the item). Once they receive it (I'm thankful that they will have to sign for it, so we'll have proof they actually got it back), I will get a refund from Ebay.

But even after all of that, I still won't have the electronic device that I wanted - that the seller agreed to send to me.

[Mad]

At least it wasn't a Christmas present.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Sometimes I wonder about the wisdom of ordering sight unseen. I mean, I do it, but it's fraught with problems like that.

A while back, I saw a Jeff Gordon pocket-tee that I liked, and I ordered (and paid for) three of them from the Jeff Gordon Fan Club site. They sent me just one shirt. After some correspondence, and a month passing, they sent me...another shirt. Still short one. After another month, and more correspondence...I got the third one. Seemed as if they couldn't conceive of someone wanting more than one shirt.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Communication is frustrating sometimes even when you speak the same language. In this case, we're not even sure they understand exactly which kind of electronic device we originally ordered.

They just told us something is on its way to us, but we have no idea if it's the correct something this time or not. (And no information about how to return the wrong item.)
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A recently discovered to me irony of communication is it intends clearer understanding and is interpretable as misunderstood or incompletely understood in many circumstances.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Then there's the other plague of online ordering---junk e-mail. I've bought one thing on Ebay---that eccentric salt-and-pepper shaker Kathleen tipped me off about---but since then I've been getting (and deleting) their e-mails. Same with Time-Life---one set of CDs about ten years ago, and long series of promotions for things I really don't want.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
There should be, hidden somewhere deep within the junk e-mails, an unsubscribe link. My junk folder went from perpetually filling to constantly empty within a week.

Phil.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
My wife is getting increasingly frustrated with people, businesses, web sites, etc that get orders wrong.

I don't appreciate it either but she is rising the bar on it being frustrating.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
There should be, hidden somewhere deep within the junk e-mails, an unsubscribe link.
I imagine so, but it's no great hardship (but no great thrill) to delete what I don't want to read.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by extrinsic:
A recently discovered to me irony of communication is it intends clearer understanding and is interpretable as misunderstood or incompletely understood in many circumstances.

And it happens more often, I think, through internet communication than through in-person communication, though it happens in all kinds of communication.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Merry Christmas, guys.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I echo the sentiment, albeit a touch late. [Smile]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
YO Happy New Year All here:

Good success with family, yourselves and writing.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm claiming [again] the first sighting of 2016 of one of the dancing Statues of Liberty---this one wasn't dancing much, but it *was* raining...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Aiiihhhh.


I was hoping to be the first to say They're baaaaccckkk.

But got here too late in the day.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
None today, but I did pass by where they usually are while a fifty-m.p.h. rainstorm was blowing.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I don't know how wide spread this other one is but there are a few black birds hanging around on street corners too, around here. They have Uncle Sam top hats and a white and red striped cape.

During the year they advertise for a car insurance place but now it's taxes.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
No, not down here, but I do see quite a few people in mufti bearing "we buy gold" signs...
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Found it funny while watching Spartacus:Vengence on late night SciFi channel that it still contained all the blood and gore but the nudity was cut out. Even at 2am in the morning. I mean what kind of backwards philosophy is that? They'll show a man get a sword shoved through his face and all the blood that goes with it, or another person get beat to death, but if you see a naked person that's going to corrupt you? We got some serious warped puritan values in the USA for TV. You can see decaying rotting corpses bite the throat of living people and see the flesh ripping from the body, but if you saw someone naked that would be bad. Well except for the quick glimpse of their backside. Feeewwww good thing we have these guys to teach us values.

Sorry just wanted to rant.

W.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Well, part of it may be that in order to show the blood and guts, they use special effects of one kind or another (unless it's a "snuff" film).

But when they show nudity, the people are probably actually nude (why waste money on special effects for something like that?).

So it's partly a matter of knowing one thing is imaginary and the other is real.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
And you trust the judgement of these people to tell the difference between reality and imaginary? Generous, aren't you? Personally, I think they're just a bunch of prudish toss-pots.

Phil.

PS: I remember that on an episode of Castle (the TV show) they had to special effects out all of the bum-cracks on a bunch of nude store mannequins. Sheesh! Talk about prudish nonsense.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Hardly the only thing censored. And things change, too. Compare versions of "Blazing Saddles," the one that was in theaters way back, the first network run, and the current broadcast version---what gets censored gets changed.

I gather, way back on "Gilligan's Island," the censors were upset about how much cleavage Ginger was showing, so they hiked up her dress some---then they got upset about how much cleavage she was showing on her backside...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I feel the vague need to brag, er, announce, the purchase and use of my first laptop / tablet. Relatively cheap cost...got it because I found I really couldn't read my own handwriting and want to use it mainly for diary writing...but I'm working through a few things to see how things go. Hope for the best...
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I downloaded the free upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 about six months back. It was great for the first few months, but has since started having problems. Namely, the start menu and sound stop working at random. Also, sometimes when I turn my computer on it doesn't even boot up the file explorer properly (I can't get it to open the start menu OR file folders in that case). Windows' solution for all of this, last I checked, is "restart your computer". None of their subsequent updates has fixed this problem for me.

(The worst part is if I downgrade back to Windows 7 I'll get prompts for the free upgrade to Windows 10 every time I turn my computer on again.)
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
The main reason I migrated to Linux. Happily runs LibreOffice, Inkscape, Audacity, and TeX (a high-end typesetting program) so what do I need windows for? Also has the added advantage of no one writing a lot of viruses targeting the OS.

The only drawback I see is that it is probably up to 12 months behind in supporting new hardware devices and drivers.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I downloaded Windows 10 for my main [tower] computer---the laptop had it and that gave me a taste for it---and, so far, no problems to report...

Unless...in my websurfing on AOL I like to load ten or so comics pages at a time, then read and dismiss them one by one. A couple of times it's blinked out with an error-in-loading message, and returns with a few less pages than before, sometimes only one. I can't say this has *anything* to do with Windows 10 for sure...
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Although...in Windows 8, my AOL did not say "Welcome," or "You've got mail!" On my laptop, and in this uploaded version, it does. I thought they'd done away with it in the version I've been using...I guess something was "off" in Windows 8 that got turned back "on" in Windows 10...I did look for it way back when, but couldn't figure it out, and eventually forgot all about it...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Back to the Statues in drag:

I noticed that so far no guitar playing statues like last year. In fact as I thought on that earlier I think one statue is missing. Maybe they closed that office?

Some statues know how to flip signs but no dancers either.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Oh No comments on the censoring because I don't watch that many movies over the air waves to notice. And I don't iike to watch a bunch of blood and guts movies anyway,


And as to Windows I don't know how Ten works since I don't do Windows.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
That's the kind of comment that deserves a hit on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LDWriter2:

And as to Windows I don't know how Ten works since I don't do Windows.

[Big Grin]

Wow. Metalepsis. Fabulous.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
My husband and I both have to work on Valentines Day, so we're celebrating two days early. How, you probably didn't ask? By seeing the Deadpool movie and going out for chimichangas.

Believe it or not, this was my idea. XD
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Valentines Day: Hallmark is still making a mint of it. Damn it, where's my Tommy-gun?

Phil. [Smile]
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy old guy:
Valentines Day: Hallmark is still making a mint of it. Damn it, where's my Tommy-gun?

Phil. [Smile]

My husband and I have never actually done the cards/flowers thing for Valentines Day. We usually give each other tabletop roleplaying books or some similar manner of gaming accessory, maybe go out to eat and that's about it. Then again, we're both a wee bit abnormal and we understand each others' particular brands of crazy.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I have to work on Valentine's Day, and President's Day the next day. One I would'a anyway, but the other's supposed to be a paid holiday off...
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Disgruntled Peony:
Then again, we're both a wee bit abnormal and we understand each others' particular brands of crazy.

And what could be better in a relationship than that?

[Smile]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Had a major epic fail on my main [tower] computer yesterday. I'm sure it's connected with upgrading to Windows 10...but now (as of the last time I checked) I can't even get it past start.

It's been on-and-off since that upgrade---but before it cut me off in the middle of something, calling it "DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION"---and now it's putting up "WDF_VIOLATION."

If I hadn't'a bought this laptop, I'd be severely limited in my Internet access---my Nook Color is good for taking a couple quick looks at a few sites---but for writing I'll have to try to get my main one working right again.

I'm almost fully backed up---I did it before the upgrading---so all I'll lose are some parody song lyrics, and some practice writing and notetaking I'm not overly fond of anyway.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/your-pc-ran-into-a-problem-wdfviolation-reboot/003fedc3-3eae-4f11-8dc9-f0237536b971?auth=1

Here's a link to the official Microsoft article on how to potentially fix that.

On a semi-related note, I've been doing more and more note-taking/brainstorming on my phone, simply because Google Docs automatically backs it up which means I can access it easily on my phone or computer. I don't like doing heavy writing that way, but for writing done in short bursts I've found it personally empowering.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thanks for the link, Disgruntled Peony.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I tried, on advice, removing all the peripherals and rebooting, then left it unplugged for eight hours or so. It came back up, and I got as far as a couple of websites---then it froze up on the old Watchdog Violation thing. I'm starting to think updating to Windows 10 was more trouble than it was worth.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Seems to be working relatively fine this morning. Froze up once (which might be associated with the AOL program), cut out once (might be associated with the WiFi), but I've been able to get through to here on my list of favorite places.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Glad it's doing better.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Computer problems redux: computer problems again. This morning the screen and mouse kept freezing (happened before)...tried the unplugging thing, which got me going till it froze up again...and, just now, restarting, the hard drive sounded like it was going to come apart.

Windows 10 updating was so not worth it.

Ah, well. I can't use this relatively-new laptop for much, the keyboard isn't adequate, though at least I can communicate...I guess I'll see if I can pick up a tower...then try to figure out how to get my files. (Not that there's any real loss of the info on files, just a little writing I wasn't overly fond of, plus some song parodies I've already posted---I copied them onto one of them stick thingys beforehand, which should take care of the important stuff.)
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Robert, if you have a spare keyboard with a USB connector you may be able to plug that into the laptop and set it as the default input device. You might also want to consider upgrading to Linux--although you'll need to tweak the CMOS so you can actually install a non Windows OS.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yeah, I know---that's what I do for a better mouse---and I could unplug the ergonomic keyboard from my main computer.

Ultimately I don't want to clutter this laptop's hard drive with my writing. I bought it to write a diary in---I came to the realization I couldn't read my own handwriting when I went back looking for information---but I'll make use of it while I shop for something better. (Probably online---I bought this laptop online.)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Y'know, buying a computer is almost as much trouble as getting rid of one with computer problems.

I bought one; it arrived yesterday, and this morning I tried to set it up. "Tried" is the key word here, because I found that nowhere on the thing is a proper plug for a monitor cable!

Evidently there are three ways to connect...and the cables I got and the connectors I have can only accommodate a video connection two ways---neither of which the computer can do.

I will have to get a new adapter or cable, but I can't today, or for a couple of days, so I'm stuck now with two computers that don't work right and one laptop that does...
 
Posted by telflonmail (Member # 9501) on :
 
I believe in the freedom of religion, especially the worship of chocolate.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I got the cable adapter---or should it be "adaptor?"---and plugged it in. Works fine so far, downloaded some stuff right away, more to come. I'm on it now.

So far, so good...but it would seem a lot of the over-the-counter gear is less elaborate than it used to be...fewer ports and features and such. I suppose the action has shifted to handhelds and smart phones...
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
My store manager's last day was yesterday (she's going into marketing) and I'm interviewing for the position tomorrow.

I have all the butterflies in my stomach. ALL OF THEM.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Good luck, Disgruntled Peony. Hope all goes well for you.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Disgruntled Peony:
My store manager's last day was yesterday (she's going into marketing) and I'm interviewing for the position tomorrow.

I have all the butterflies in my stomach. ALL OF THEM.

Good success to you.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Things seem to have gone decently... They're sending me a control self assessment to do at home. They want to move fast on filling the management position so I should hear back from them one way or the other by next Friday at the latest.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Qapla' Disgruntled Peony.

Phil.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy old guy:
Qapla' Disgruntled Peony.

Phil.

It's been so long since I actively watched Star Trek that I had to break out my 'How to Speak Klingon' book. XD I might have to rectify that at some point.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I got the job! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Woo-hoo!

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Best of luck.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Great! Hope it meets all of your expectations and even exceeds them in all the best ways.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Well, some of my expectations are that it's going to continue eating into any and all of my free time until I can get another shift supervisor hired, but honestly I have a pretty good idea of what I'm looking forward to. Enough of it is good that I'm willing to weather the bad. (And, hell, even if the store ends up closing in a year or three because of the merger, that'll be okay. I just want to make sure we start doing better than we had been.)
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I'm staying up way later than I should tonight because I work a close/open shift setup tonight/tomorrow but but but my husband preordered Deadpool on Bluray and I have to watch it. For the third time. (First two times were in theaters.)

Loving this movie probably makes me a terrible person. ...But that's okay.
 
Posted by dmsimone (Member # 10502) on :
 
I'd like to add to this random thread. Anyone here watch Game of Thrones?

Hold the Door! GRRM is a genius.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Happy Memorial Day, everyone.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Same to you, Disgruntled Peony.

And deep gratitude to those we remember on this day, for their great sacrifice to keep our freedom and our way of life strong.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Speaking of the cross dressing statues that show up in various cities at certain time of the year--around here we have piles of frames that show up every year at this time. They just pop into existence as far as anyone knows.

An explanation here:

Here in Calif you can only sell fireworks individually for a very short period of time every year. And none that explode. Charities sell them for around five days every year. Thus the frames. The piles show up in various parking lots at least a week before fireworks can be sold. Between then and the second day they can be sold the frames just form into booths.

I have lived here over 30 years and just last year I saw something that shows where they come from. I saw a flat bed semi with a few piles on it. It looked parked so nothing was moving. And the last two years I saw one group putting the frames together but usually I see nothing, they just appear and then form into booths.

So the piles have been there for a week or so and a couple of booths have been put together-mysterously
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
We get those down here in Florida, but sometimes they just take over abandoned stores for the season. And they tend to linger on beyond the Fourth of July, too...

Christmas gets the Christmas tree tents...Easter gets the candy displays in the supermarkets...Halloween gets them, too, but they tend towards the orange-and-black...Thanksgiving gets strange and mysterious turkey and / or ham displays...and the Fourth of July gets fireworks...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I didn't get to this yesterday but the 22nd was my birthday

This may sound rude or worse but I have already asked three groups of people, so I will take the chance. I wonder if anyone who reads this could do something for me for my birthday? Tell five people about my books. In person, E-mail, on your blog, twitter etc.

Yes, I can return the same to you on your birthday.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Around here, we have some stories selling fireworks-in packages-but they don't usually make a big deal about it.

But those booths, I referenced, are covered with posters for the fireworks sold. It's usually the same two companies that each sell many of the same types. The companies can change however. A while back there were Freedom fireworks and Red Devil. Now it's Phantom and I just forgot the other one. I think there is a third but there are only a couple booths that sell that brand. 14 some booths sell the other two. They sell until sound down the Fourth. And sundown is late this time of year-8:30+ maybe.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
For those who are from the US

A very late Happy Fourth and a few thoughts on the subject

Just wanted to say a few words about Founding of the US. In other words finally I am doing my own 4th of July greeting.

Each Fourth my local paper prints a copy of the Declaration. Today I was reading excerpts from it and got to the place where they listed their grievances with England. A wide assortment of real hurts and problems. But it hit me that many terrorists-not so much Radical Muslims who do their awful deeds for other reasons-use similar lists to justify terror. But our founders went another way. This was a Declaration of Independence not a declaration of terrorism. The first is the way to go not the second when you have grievances with another country. Yes, our Declaration led to violence-war. People got killed but it was straight up war not terrorism. And many bad things happened to the signers of our Declaration. Many were hung, some saw their children killed. One had to order the shelling of an ancestral home filled with memories and antiques. The British officer thought he wouldn’t give that order which is why the officer moved his men into it. The list of injuries and death for the signers goes on and I don’t have time to list each one. Which on a side note, and pardon the slip into today’s political debates, busts a few liberals’ desire to believe that the founders were greedy, selfish businessmen who just wanted to stop paying taxes.

So the whole thing was good. The Liberty and restrictions on government, including a list of our rights that are protected, that were on purpose included in the Constitution are all good. And has served us well.
 
Posted by telflonmail (Member # 9501) on :
 
Welcome to Earth Prime Day
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
A truck hit my store two weeks before our scheduled inventory. *Head desk*
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Woe is acts of neglect. I empathize.

An example of a similar scenario. The restaurant owner took the advice of my kitchen manager subordinate and rearranged the cooking appliances so that the faster, short order equipment was closer to the server food pickup station. Unbeknown to me. The next daytime shift turned on the equipment and set the exhaust fan to a low speed setting.

I come into work and feel something is awry, that kind of moment when time stops. Next I know, the fire suppression system lets loose and blankets the kitchen in baking soda.

But for a piece of special knowledge that the temperature-range sensitive fusible links in the exhaust hood needed to also be rearranged, and that lack of awareness by the owner and subordinate, the fire suppression system wouldn't have tripped. I knew, but no one consulted the fire suppression system company or me.

As it was, because the system tripped, a fire alarm signal went out to the fire department. The fire marshal cited the restaurant for an equipment violation, a costly fine. The system restoration call was also costly. The responsible parties bolted and left the onerous cleanup to me alone. Duh-huh.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Nothing like (a) not being consulted by those who have no idea what they or you actually do or know, and (b) having to clean up after because of the mess caused when (a) happens. If you hadn't said "restaurant," I would'a thought you worked for the post office...
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A sibling worked for the post office and retired therefrom. One tour was at a Florida sorting unit, others, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Georgia. The job was technology maintenance crew management though really about mitigating dysfunctional workplaces; that's what administration really wanted. Bureaucracy and dysfunction don't have to be synonymous; however, they most often are.

An instinct for adjusting dysfunctional cultures runs in the family, because the family is dysfunctional to a toxic degree and knows it, knows how to cope with it. I'd rather not endure all the drama, and rather tend toward withdrawal. Soon after the fire suppression system discharge at the restaurant, one more in a rapid string of dysfunctional malfunctions, I quit and went to work elsewhere.

I can't get a government job of any kind. A bureaucratic malfunction in my early adulthood caused a selective service registration bar. I don't meet that civil service job criteria. It stands out loud on my background details. I wasn't allowed to register for the draft because the draft ended soon after my eighteenth birthday. The draft board turned me away because they didn't want to bother during the span from when the legislation was enacted to when it was official: 29 March 1975 enactment through 1 July 1975 official implementation date.

By the time the draft registration resumed, 2 July 1980, I was too old to register. Shows up as unregistered though required to and didn't on every government background check's job application that I've attempted: municipal, state, and federal. The last time, the interviewer told me that was the bar. Prior applications were just declined for no expressed reason, many through my middle adulthood years. Asked my congresspersons for consideration and they too told me, nope, it was my fault, not gonna fix my mess for me.

I'm an honorably discharged veteran, too, though of no distinction. Military service makes no difference with that failed to register for the draft mark on my background details.

Fallen in between the cracks; this is me.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
This has zero pertinence to writing, so this seemed like the best place to throw it, but this website is really cool!

https://www.heroforge.com/

You can make your own miniatures, for D&D or what have you.

I suppose there is tangential writing relevance, since it can help someone visualize their characters. In any case, it's fun. [Smile]
 
Posted by babooher (Member # 8617) on :
 
I'm sure Aaron Sorkin writes better dialogue than I do, but then I've started more than a few sentences with "Dammit!" I just wanted to get that off my chest.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A central convention of Sorkin's dialogue aesthetic is a greater filibuster-like monologue emphasis than conversational dialogue. A strength, in that the method realistically imitates Sorkin's portrayed discourse communities' speech habits: lawyers, politicians, academic, corporate, and military leadership, celebrities, and pundit commentators: public politics, in other words. For me, though, the method wears from my overexposure to those communities' speech habits.

Odd thing about emotionally charged interjections, like "dammit," at the start of a speech -- they hold the floor, filibuster, from curiosity evoked by what there is to be emotional about anyway -- darn it, heck and libel, slander and calumny, for cripes' sake, geekus crow.

For me, prior emotional context and texture are warranted for interjections. Interjections are reaction effects, usually. Otherwise, they arise causeless from a disembodied voice and causality vacuum.
 
Posted by babooher (Member # 8617) on :
 
extrinsic, have you seen the ads for Sorkin's Master Class? With all due respect to Sorkin, I've loudly proclaimed "damn it" at the beginning of many an inquiry.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I have and sampled the content. Scripts are scripts and teaching the writing thereof entails as many terms as, if not more than, prose technique discourses. Curious how many different terms substitute for motivations, stakes, and tone. Seems every writer of the past hundred and sixty years who explicates dramatic techniques uses different terms for the same core principles.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Been watching this "Beverly Hillbillies" first season DVD set I got the other week. What's most interesting---downright startling---are the original sponsor commercials included. The cast---and in character!---hawk cereals (Kellogg's Cornflakes) and cigarettes (Winstons). I know such things ran that way...but it's still startling to see them, particularly the cigarette ads. But they need to be seen---because, sometimes, plot points in the episode are resolved within the commercial.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Television's true initial cultural and commercial function was, still is, advertisement. Entertainment content is the persuasion to receive advertisement. Entertainment content packages ad content. Of late, though, product placement has become more subtle than previous and more attuned to audience focus targets.

The '70s though '80s era, when tobacco and alcohol TV ads were prohibited or restricted, inspired product placement subtlety; plus, negative product placement inspired corporate backlashes that, in turn, led to prohibitions or licensing of product placement.

Many of the '50s and '60s era ad broadcasts entailed entertainment content aligned to and in dramatic support of what viewers consider the main content. However, then as now, ad content remains commercial TV's broadcast priority. The actual entertainment content, the reason why viewers tune is, is a distant second emphasis -- why much of television content is often mediocre at best.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Inventory at my work is finally over with. I am displeased with the results, but at least now my store can resume some level of sanity. Not sure if the same can be said for me, but I survived.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Spirit costumes is open


Last week I stopped at an intersection glanced at a new sign on the side of a building-looked again and stared. Yep it's that time again
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Sooooo, I know most of you probably don't play D&D and/or Pathfinder, but you'll probably still be able to appreciate the ridiculousness/awesomeness that is my character in a game I play off and on.

My character is a true neutral cleric with the ability to channel both positive and negative energy (which basically means she can heal or harm people depending on what makes sense to her at the time). One of her major character goals is to become a lich (so, a sentient undead that's nigh impossible to kill under the right circumstances).

She's also a necromancer. She recently acquired three zombie Guardian Naga and eight zombie Nagaji. The Nagaji each have guns of never-ending magic missiles (2d4+1 damage apiece, which isn't a lot from one creature but hits pretty hard when all eight of them strike in tandem). I have this mental image of the zombie Nagaji riding the zombie Guardian Nagas and firing those guns as they go.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
My work as an editor of legal and business documents, "proofreader" in the vernacular, though much more than mere conformance of grammar; style too, and rhetoric, and limited mostly to diction, organization, and punctuation considerations, this week has so far been especially brutal. A recent new client or two has increased the work load. Though more paid work is no reasonable complaint -- I'll complain at the bank, right?

No, the brutal work feature this week has been writings about corruption in high places that resulted in severe travesties to many individuals; ugly, ugly, cruel inhumanity and rigidly secret public corruption, uncalled-for deaths, and untoward physical and emotional abuse of the worst kinds imaginable.

You think it doesn't emotionally affect you, too, though you as well suffer distantly similar abuse. Maintenance of an objective outlook is required for the work, and secrecy, oath sworn to secrecy under penalty of contempt indictments, for pragmatic reasons, and all will come out anyway in its due time, though never through you, and you must quash your emotions and keep a steady, silent keel. Another type person, myself, too, at a younger, oblivious age, would self-medicate for solace, consolation, coping strategy, from some kind of self-comfort practice: alcohol, mood altering drugs, recreational games, gambling, shopping, adult activities, wink-wink, or talk about it with close acquaintances. Nope, cannot ever do the latter, not even one word.

I'm disallowed self-comfort activities anymore. To say the least, many are they toxic for me now, toxic from me to others, too, and for some time since; they will kill me immediately if not sooner. Instead, my emotions privately rise as they will, anger most, part bidden, part unbidden, and part bated by meditations of what can I do.

For some time I have pondered many a midnight candle burnt. What can I do? What is my duty to the common good? I am no wheat farmer, tuna fisher, nor lumberjack or athlete or stage or screen performer, nor the Beast itself, a politician, nor a cleric, though I have dabbled at those vocations. I am an aggravated voice longed to be heard. I am a writer.

The course of my meditations has taken me around and around, up, down, sideways, diagonals, skews and slants, crests and troughs, back and forth, into and beyond the abyss, through and through -- seeks a distinctive center of focus. Earlier this year, I realized my life's calling, albeit late in life. This was not the end, but a means. Further focal meditations of my calling pursued method, message, intent, meaning, and, most of all, my moral duty.

Several epiphanies along the sacred Poet's Journey arose to nudge me onto sidetracks that, at first and for a while, seemed mere distractions, that wouldn't leave off, and became focuses incrementally.

This last epiphany, due to this week's onerous work, has coalesced into a much strove for one distinction direction, albeit of an intangible yet tangible characteristic as well. That is, satire's practical irony entails artful and persuasive misdirections for expression of an important message. One message per narrative; one overall, too; one to persuade them all.

Humanity's inhumanity to humanity is rife and ripe for satire. This is most of all, to me, the physics' three-body problem applied to human society; to wit: a small body is at the mercy of two large gravitational masses' influences. If there's a scientific principle that most applies to timeless, relevant, and current social events, that one does.

This from my "day job."

I did enter this vocation with an intent to inform my writing skills, mostly master matters of mechanics; however, never did I consider that I also would discover my life and writing calling from it. Curious that I did think I would find individual topics for prose expression; never did I think the work would inform my whole larger consideration of a single focal area: Satire about large human institutions that brutalize individuals: at times, indifferently; at times, by design; always callously. Timeless, relevant, and current, for sure; and risky -- need say no more on that latter, risks, yet you consider that closely considered.

[ August 25, 2016, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
The Hero's Dilemma writ large upon the real world: To act or not to act. Both choices have detrimental consequences for the Hero creating internal conflict and tension.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
What about external to a narrative conflict and tension: scandal and controversy? Some many much will be outraged if I manage my subversive mischief's intents artfully. Those are the risks that concerned me. Jonathan Swift and Maria Edgeworth manage those.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
These too are simply detrimental consequences to be considered in making the choice to act or not.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I've determined my course. Act such that the act appears to be no act at all, maybe at most, overtly, the nightmares of a simpleton sojourner bent on a hapless stumble into the abyss.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Remember, no plan survives contact with the enemy. Multiple redundancy and contingency is the key to survival.

Phil.

[ August 26, 2016, 08:53 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The strategic pivot is, by appeal, build support consensuses that do battle with anti-consensuses, as literature's factional disputes always have been. The friend of my friend is my friend. They draw away fire and draw fire to them and exhaust their opponents' fire.

However, the substantive composition strategy is to appeal to both pro and con and other consensuses such that they contest mostly about who stakes ownership right, who has strongest claim to best position on the coattails, or bridal dress train, or bandwagon. They won't even agree about what ownership they ride on. Meanwhile, the message presses its ironic subversion design.
 
Posted by babooher (Member # 8617) on :
 
Just finished writing some villain dialogue. Read it over--sounds like a GEICO commercial. When you write like me, you write crappy dialogue--its what you do.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The ones with Flo, or the ones with the Gecko?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Villains come in vanilla, Scoville hellfire, feldspar, and deep-space vacuum flavors, whatever: rascal, scamp, imp, rogue, scoundrel, etc.

Is it not what a villain does more so than how one sounds, spoken word-wise, verbal in the case of written word recordation?

The "It's what you do" Geico ad cycle to me is cynically sarcastic, villainously vile enough on the content alone. When you're a villain, you channel Simon Legree, villain of Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin, 1852. It's what you do -- which paints with the broad brush of stereotyped characters al la difference intolerance bigotry.

It's what "you" do that makes a villain villainous, not how one sounds, per se, right? Of late, much aural-visual entertainment content contains deemed as antisocial this or that motifs; tobacco use anymore is huge for painting villain characters, plus heavy-set physiques, other contraband substance users, leering lusters' glares, Snidely Whiplash-type wrathful brow beaters, angry, hateful meathead lunks toting concealed knives and firearms wherever, gluttons, misers, green-eyed jealous envy-ers, cack-handed, slack-jawed, unkempt slob sloths, and as well proud, misguided elitists and intellectuals with selfish agendas and designs. For villain-hero narratives, some character type must be the target victim of satire's attack upon some behavior and persona identity type.

Actions speak louder than words. It's what "you" do. It is.

[ August 30, 2016, 09:18 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Yesterday, in the middle of picking a fight with a Pacific Islander three times my size, I was called an "Old Man". That hurt!

I also learned two important safety tips: First, never pick a fight while sitting on a motorcycle and, second, quick thinking can save you in an untenable the situation. Two important phrases: "Federal Police" and "Deportation" came into effective play.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
First break from work in six months yesterday, since March paid work every day and some days all day and part of the night. If only the work was full time year round. Wednesday was only an hour's work -- too many days a year like that.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Seeing if I can still post here...so far, since Sunday, I'm cut off from making snarky comments on six webcomic sites, while others still allow me to post...if I knew why, I'd fix it...
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Well, as long as the snarky comments aren't personal attacks, you should be able to post here.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Seemed something in their posting software didn't like my website info---professional rivalry?---but omitting it let me post again. I was starting to wonder if someone had locked me out without telling me...
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Seemed something in their posting software didn't like my website info---professional rivalry?---but omitting it let me post again. I was starting to wonder if someone had locked me out without telling me...

Hunh, that's weird. Computers are silly sometimes.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Some chat rooms, blogs and such, bar active links, like website urls, to mitigate spam. Hatrack doesn't though will balk at a url with a parenthesis glyph in it. Like Wikipedia articles that are subtitled with additional content, and the url contains the same subtitle bracketed by parentheses, e.g., wiki url string Exposition (narrative). The Hatrack site also bars urls with ampersands.

Only the first above, active link posts, impacts robertnowalldotcom.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I think it likely...in fact, it seems to have cleared up at the moment, though I haven't tried everywhere...but these forum forms have spaces for name, e-mail address, and website, so why exclude something, even by software error? (They also have "get a Gravstar," but I don't bother with that.)
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
They permit registration profile urls though may bar active urls within posted discussions.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
The darkened embers which were all that remained of my prowess in writing have begun to glow again.

Phil.

[ September 24, 2016, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Way to go, Phil!

And thanks for being here to help others even when your embers were all that you had.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Saw this in a document received for editing advice: "bored chair." The context of its sentence left open whether "bored" is misspelled, not the document overall. The overall context is of a board of director's chairman or woman or chairperson.

Misspelling corrected, the term is a bizarre idiosyncrasy, literally, a chair made of wood!? yet figuratively a metonymy for an attribute of the leadership position, seated at the highest chair. The use, though, is quite clear for native English users yet an odd and curious artifact of language; board chair, stiff furniture -- amusing.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Another odd artifact of language seen today in a grocers' aisle: "plastic glass." A beverage tumbler made from a polycarbonate material!? The figure of speech is oxymoron: terms at odds that paradoxically contain an underlain truth. Pliable rigidity?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Comes from the English language evolving in different places on the isle. Words that sound the same, even sometimes spelled the same, meaning different things.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
"Glass" is used as a synonym for "tumbler" or "drink container" and not as a description of what the item is made of.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
"Glass" is a perfect example of living language in process. The word's Old English denotation is solely fully vitrified silicon material. Over time, the word metaphorically came to mean any item made from the material: vitrified silicon beverage containers, lenses, ocular scopes, windows, and mirrors. The metaphoric uses that expanded beyond vitrified silicon became idioms, as well as nouns became verb adjuncts, plus, naturally, adjectives and adverbs, in turn, became connotative meanings, and in turn, became Modern English denotative meanings in their own rights.

Difficult artifacts of English language are most apparent to non-native speakers, less if at all to native speakers, who take for granted words and terms by appreciation of their attendant contexts. Also, translation software often stumbles over such words. And most all of English vocabulary is context driven more so than denotative.

Though probably a topic for writing discussion and not per se mill grist, the matters of language use and idiosyncrasies thereof are weighty considerations for every aspect of expression, as much certainly for creative expression. The artful categories of double and more entendre, figurative language; clear, strong, intentional, interpretable ambiguity; all told, the capacity for artful language prose poetics to express more with less in an economy of words, irony, satire, sarcasm, etc., add up to the unique human ability to process conversation.

"Plastic glass" and "board chair" reflect all those above language properties. Another set of idiosyncratic language artifacts considered when meditating on the latter: "spectacles," denotative meaning eyeglasses, though also plural inflection of spectacle, an emotionally charged display; "solicitor," different British and U.S. denotations, one a lawyer, one a salesperson; and "napkin," likewise, different British and U.S. denotations, one an infant's clothing appurtenance, one a mealtime appurtenance.

Those idiosyncrasies of language come easily to native speakers through osmotic absorption, though as much also sow confusion. For writers, therefore, due attention paid to and called to ambiguous expression spans understanding gaps and best practice transcends superficial expression for the near instant sequence of intellectual, emotional, and imagination engagements. Context specificity, like "plastic tumbler." What, one extra syllable and two more glyphs are too much? Well, "tumbler" itself is possessed of several incongruent denotations. Language!? Writer poets navigate language shoals and rapids for their readers' absorption spell sakes.

In other words, write plainspoken and wield a poetic stick.

[ October 21, 2016, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The laptop acts up! The onboard wifi transceiver drops connections at inopportune moments, and repeatedly, and jams up the operating system. For cripe's sake.

Bought an external wifi antenna, mid $$, to test that, in fact, the onboard antenna was the fault. Installed the external antenna's drivers as easily as an eyeblink and away it went, as vigorous and as stable as desired. It's a plot: problem-want incitement, delayed satisfaction, provoked escalation, unequivocal, irrevocable satisfaction outcome -- problem resolved.

And last week the microwave started on its own, fortunately, only the light, fan, and turntable ran -- not the magnetron, which could have started a fire. Spooky like, the machines have a mind of their own. Actually, the problem is a design flaw, not enough air flow to exhaust steam and a consequent condensate short circuit that arced the start-up circuit. Meaning, soon time to get another microwave. It's a plot.

Life is a plot.

[ November 02, 2016, 07:14 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Yeah, definitely time to get a new microwave. O_o

Life is a series of plotlines so infinitely vast and inexplicably intertwined that no one (certainly no one in our lifetimes) will be able to map it out. That just means there's always new (sometimes interesting, sometimes frightening) things to discover.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
That must be why I predominantly write tragedies.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
My dreams are always nightmares, invariably involve a complication I can't satisfy; task, project, whatever. I get it: finish to completion some everlover thing for once in your slack-all life! Actually, they are diabetes dreams that waken me when my blood sugar plummets perilously, nightly. A long term unsatisfiable complication, though one satisfied short term by the simple expedient of carbohydrate intake.

Long term, diabetes won't go away; it can be mitigated by hard, constant, every waking moment, some sleeping moments, life-long focus on diet, exercise, and medical co-management. It's a plot with a bittersweet, tragic-comedy outcome end.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Well, you know, everyone dies in the end, right?

And stories that explore immortality often have not being able to die turn out to be a tragedy, too.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
By the way, the first sentence above is my standard response whenever someone tells me not to "spoil" the story (or movie or somesuch) for them.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
In my later teenage years I had horrible nightmares; the wake up screaming in the middle of the night type of horrible. I got heartily sick of it. So, somehow I managed to wake up enough from the 'dream-state' to realise what I was experiencing was 'only' a nightmare. I could then re-immersed myself into the nightmare and start seriously kicking some nightmare monster butt. It became so satisfying I started going to sleep each night hoping I would have nightmares [Smile] .

As far as leading a tragic life goes; it only seems tragic from the outside looking in (stupid psychologists), from the inside it's just life: a series of obstacles that need to be endured, overcome, or surrendered to.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've been looking to my dreams for some kind of inspiration in writing---ideas, mostly---and every so often, like last week, something comes about. (Wrote about a thousand words, though it might take twenty thousand to do it justice. Either way, it comes at the end of a long dry spell.)

Mostly, though, they're my mind musing on things I've seen or done in the past few days or weeks...
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Just as an aside, I don't surrender. I'm a give me victory or or give me death type of guy.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
My life transpires between life and death extremes, never quite a life of full peace and enjoyment and not quite dead yet. I count that a success.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
In WRITNG IN GENERAL AND THE SHORT STORY IN PARTICULAR, Rust Hills talks about how much better night dreams are as sources for stories than day dreams (wish fulfillment is a poor source, according to him).

And I agree. Study your dreams and use them if you can.

I kept a dream journal once, writing down what I could remember as soon as I woke up, but I stopped because the dreams just got to be too weird for me.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
My dreams, now, don't make enough sense to construct a story of out them. [Smile]

Phil.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I don't remember much of my own dreams, generally. I might if I started actively paying attention and writing them down, I suppose.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
It is recommended that if you want to try to remember your dreams, you keep a notebook and pencil or pen by the side of your bed.

As soon as you wake, you pick them up and write down as much as you can about any dreams you remember, before other things distract you and they slip away.

There is also something called "lucid dreaming" which Phil described above when he talked about realizing that he was dreaming and consciously (so to speak) exercising control over what was happening in the dream.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
And it's a great deal of fun when you master it.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Lucid dreaming for me is perilous when a nightmare is really about low blood sugar. I have as it is several sugar crises a year. One this past spring was due to I went back to sleep and awoke in a hot, muscle-tense sweat. I was at the brink of an empty fuel tank, running on vapors. The crawl to the food pantry was a close run between nonconscious and hind brain efforts, a bare success. An hour after taking on fuel, I was back to normal mind.

I've kept glucose tablets beside the bed, the recommended emergency supply. They contain 10 carbohydrate grams per lozenge and are like giant SweeTarts -- irresistible temptations for a carbohydrate craver. My sugars ran too high for that duration. My best strategy is some kind of undesirable hard candy; cinnamon drops serve. They're okay though not crave-worthy and also contain seventeen carbohydrate grams apiece.

My carb budget is max three hundred grams per day, with mild to moderate exertion, less on sedentary days.

A metabolic process allows that a sugar candy or glucose tablet dissolved in the mouth uptakes quicker than one digested, a difference of effect at a half hour instead of an hour or so to restore adequate fuel supply. Oral membranes absorb sugars faster than gastrointestinal membranes. I won't mention the cake frosting tube injection and back end procedure rescue squads implement, when they're not IV-certified EMTs.

A well-managed diabetic regimen titrates carbohydrates, exertion, medicine, and lifestyle. Carbs are as necessary as they are toxic, are also comfort food necessary for emotional nutrition, necessary for self-soothing the slings and arrows of social discord. It's a compromise: overindulge and harmfully impact health, manage indulgence and delay health issues, or deprive and harmfully impact mood, or all at times apart and in concert. Diet and exercise and emotional and medical management at all conscious moments and nonconscious times -- it's a full-time job.

I do lucid dream though leave it for when my sugars are safe ranged. I document aspects from those dream nightmares, paraphrase the pertinent highlights.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
In my life, I've only had two lucid dreams---but I woke up before much of anything could be done. In both cases, though, I was alone.

I used to keep a dream diary back in my twenties, kept it up for a few years...but lacked the time to keep it up once I entered the workaday world...
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
To paraphrase two disperate novels, welcome to a brave new world; it could be the best of times or the worst of times. High-five to all my American friends.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Today " . . . is a date that will live in infamy." (FDR) Tel est la vie.

I am consoled only that the legislative and judicial branches are constitutional checks and balances to the executive branch, [and of each other] and that the press is the fourth estate and, as well, constitutionally guaranteed free speech, [and as well a check and balance to the other estates and powers]. Much will be written about all this . . .

"Words can be like X-rays if you use them properly -- they'll go through anything. You read and you're pierced." (Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, 1931)

"We had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way -- in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only." (Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities, 1859)

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[ November 16, 2016, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I was obsessively checking the polls last night; it felt like a bad dream. Woke up this morning to the confirmation. I'm just... sad. I'm very sad.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Strangely enough, I was reminded of the French revolution. The overlooked, forgotten, and marginalised portions of the middle-class rose up against the autocrats, overthrowing the status-quo. What I don't know yet is if you've ended up with Robespierre or Bonaparte. [Smile]

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The Gangs of New York, 2002 motion picture inspired by the nonfiction book of the same name, by Herbert Asbury, 1927, and William "Bill the Butcher" Cutting -- inspired by real-life William Poole, who advocated suppression of immigration, continuance of human servitude, civil violence, anti-Catholic, pro-Protestant supremacy toward those ends, unconditional elite privilege for elites, though not one himself, extremist libertarian conservative values, and stumped most to "native" white middle class blue collar workers of his own status.

Poole led the Know Nothing, Native American Party, circa 1850s, a mid-century militant populist movement akin to later, and earlier, ethnic purity fascism. Spring ahead; fall back. Set clocks back one hundred sixty or so years.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I just had the most complete story-dream I've had in years. It's near future sci-fi with a touch of horror (all things I love), and it has a coherent beginning, middle and end. I might need to change a few details, but I really liked the overall plot arc and am very interested in writing it as an actual story. Might even take a crack at that today, while it's fresh. (I made sure to write everything I could remember down, and it seriously reads like an outline.)

So much for not remembering my dreams very often. [Razz] This definitely makes a dream journal seem worth it.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Very cool, Disgruntled Peony. Best wishes with it.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Inspiration comes in any forms, DP. [Smile]

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Ah lucid dreams, what a wonder the minds conscious, subconscious, nonconscious, and reptilian hind synergize.

Please let us know how the night dream made word comes along. Look forward to a refined draft fragment of it offered for commentary, if so decided.

Had a precursor vivid dream myself recently, though that melded into the usual recurrent nightly unsatisfiable action drama. The action of the first segment is a satisfaction outcome that incited the second action. That sequence invoked a profound thought about a sequence derived from an unequivocal success that incites a higher-stakes drama, to what outcome end I don't yet know. A start and a middle act, not an end act yet. I favor a tragic-comedy maturation action and outcome end.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I'm planning to, when the time comes. I ended putting it on the back burner for a few days because I have another story I just figured out how to revise and I still need to figure out how to reconcile some of the more dream-based elements, but I will definitely be posting fragments again soon.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Dropped a motorcycle on my ankle this afternoon; hurts like 'ell. Guess I'll be hobbling along helpin Mr Dillon as much as I can; bein wounded an' all.

Phil.
a.k.a Chester (for the time being)

Just blew my nose; add a broken rib or two to the list. Pretty sure it's just one, but it still hurts when I cough.

[ November 22, 2016, 07:06 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy old guy:
Dropped a motorcycle on my ankle this afternoon; hurts like 'ell. Guess I'll be hobbling along helpin Mr Dillon as much as I can; bein wounded an' all.

Phil.
a.k.a Chester (for the time being)

Just blew my nose; add a broken rib or two to the list. Pretty sure it's just one, but it still hurts when I cough.

Talented there to break a rib when something lands on your ankle. [Big Grin]

Glad it wasn't worse and hope you recover fine.

And give my regards to the Sheriff
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I haven't been around this forum for a number of reasons-most have to do with being busy and now with a NaNo Novel

But Happy Thanksgiving to you all who live in the USA.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Thank you and a belated Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. [Smile] (I spent most of the holiday working, but got to eat afterward. Going to work again now.)
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Noticed for some time different search engine results when different keyword orders are queried. Finally tested and analyzed why. So-called intuitive search engines are based somewhat on Boolean protocols' logical combinatorial systems and somewhat on position strength -- akin to human attention span prioritization, positioned first or last. The "intuitive" feature, at a lower priority, also bases on search history patterns and user IP address geographic location. If more than two search terms, combined or single words, middle terms are least emphasized. Search first priority invariably bases on last position terms; second priority accorded to first position terms, third priority to middle terms. Huh, as do clause, sentence and paragraph syntax.

For example, a person's name and an artifact, custom, or tradition with which the person is associated yields different results when the name is first or last. Three terms, like a name, an artifact, and a geographic label, is an exponent increased different result priority, digital binary exponent: two terms, 2^2=4; three terms, 2^3=8 bases, etc.

How the human mind and the collective nonconscious consciously and nonconsciously influences technology is a curiosity.

Also, this week appreciated that the human mind is -- well, of two minds, one that of the literal, the other of the figurative. Yet within each are overlaps and as well a substantive difference between each, Venn diagram-like, in terms of intellectually held knowledge and second-nature native knowledge.

The former is superficial knowledge, like taught and learned yet underappreciated awareness the Earth is a sphere, received though unsubstantiated by personal empirical experience. Or the Moon, generally perceived and depicted as a two-dimensional disc of many faces; the latter, knowledge acquired from sensory experience and become native and a fuller appreciation of the overall knowledge, that of the Moon visually perceived as a true sphere despite its two-dimensional appearance.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Have sought the label for when the behavior or behaviors of an employer or employer's agent, or any other social, vocational, educational, informal or formal, etc., circumstance causes an individual to depart, self-terminate, quit, leave, etc., the group entity. Includes casual acquaintance and friendship social groups' centrifugal forcing.

Found it today: constructive dismissal, or termination, or discharge. Both forced out from a once-and-done event, one egregious event occasion, and the "last straw," a recognizable pattern of by instance variable degrees of accumulated force occasions with one final compulsion event. Such occurs when hostile, aggravated, intolerable behavior of one or more individuals toward another or others forces receiver resignation from the group entity. This is also label-able as proactive shunning.

While some social exclusions are justifiable and reasonable based on supportable, rational grounds, many, too, are the unsupportable personal sentiment difference intolerance and petty envy and jealousy force causes. Probably more of the latter occurs than the former for proactive shunning. "Constructive dismissal" generally applies to law venues, while "proactive shunning" is more broad and of psycho-sociological arenas.

Well, that's now one name exposition challenge with which I've an acquaintance. Fertile fruit for a number of stories' intangible complication contest contexts and textures!

[ November 30, 2016, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Received an editor wanted solicitation today. Several come in each year. The solicitation is due to being on a writing community listserv, and thousands received the solicitation. I pass.

The writer's project is about a family member. I don't have the heart to let the writer know how problematic family stories are due to little or nothing publicly notable about them and this project itself. Plus, sampling of the writer's writing exhibits numerous grammar, style, craft, and voice considerations short-shrifted. The writer needs a ghost writer, not an editor yet.

However, notablility cannot be invented where little exists. On the other hand, self-publication will serve the private family memento criteria the project actually is notable and suited for. The project is ready for that without much more than a light copyediting pass, though heavy enough proofreading to cost more than the work warrants or asks. Such is the life of writing.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I've been wrestling with serious work-related depression that has more or less halted all of my writing efforts for the last week. Tried to take a personal day yesterday to recover from the stress and hopefully get some writing done.

My pharmacy got robbed.

I ended up going in to work for a couple of hours to help smooth things over, collect video feed of the incident, etcetera. Thankfully, no one was hurt, and the robbers didn't actually get away with anything.

Went home and was completely useless for most of the day. XP

Ahh well. I'm giving it another go today. We'll see how things turn out.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
So sorry, Disgruntled Peony. I hope that someday this can truly be grist for the mill for your writing. In the meantime, if writing it out in one way or another isn't therapeutic for you, don't add guilt to the mix for not writing. Take care of yourself, okay?
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Sorry to hear this Disgruntled Peony. Advice? I found walking in what you might call the woods on windy or stormy nights cathartic. But, I am odd. Other than that, take care of yourself before anyone else.

Phil.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Things are better today. Had fun with friends, took a nap when I got moody, and felt better when I woke up. I did manage to get some writing done this morning, and am continuing to do so now.

(It's not that I've felt guilty for not writing, exactly; it's more that I've really wanted to, but haven't felt up for it. It feels good to finally be able to work on the things I've had running through my mind all week.)
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The spark that sets ablaze a bonfire for me is realization of what's really going to happen from my design, that is, different from character's expectations and means and ends. The best laid plans go awry for mice and mortal. Life intervenes, and misapprehended designs. Every contingency cannot be prepared for; those missed contingency preparations are ripe fruit for drama.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Ugg, some years back I noticed within my dreams I had a hard time running. Needless to say, this led to a stint of experimentation in lucid dreaming because the slow running became my trigger.

when I had a very successful attempt it scared the heck out of me because of waking still in sleep paralysis. So I gave it up.

But even to this day I still have moments when I trigger waking too soon, and even though more experienced in dealing with it, my mind still while trying to wake myself up teases me that I am really dead or paralyzed. That 30 seconds or so stuck in paralysis is an eternity as you try and force your limbs to move/wake but nothing happens.

It creeps me out. Had one of those nights last night.

W.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
That sounds unsettling. O_o
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Each of three days in a row received a job notification for someone not known to me. Replied the first time, No one by that name at this number; please check the number and try again. Sad. But for a phone number transposition, the job wanted was lost.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Merry Christmas, all.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Indeed! Merry Christmas. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The past few months, I've been emotionally off balance and no clue why. The other day, I figured it out. Aside from the seasonal hard sell that annoys me no end, I realized a woodwork accident had scared me and delayed any woodwork.

The saw cut a finger severely enough to warrant a bandage worn for two months, not severely enough to warrant a clinic visit. The injury foreclosed any woodwork for three months while it healed, delayed, too, due to diabetes. Trepidations about the tools were background thoughts though came to bear when the finger healed and kept me out of the shop. The proverbial they say get right back on the horse if it throws you. Couldn't due to the dominant hand index finger seriously injured.

The other day I got back on that horse and that felt like a burden lifted. Then I realized why I was in such an off-balance state, not before. I was afraid of the tools, was before, still am, but got back on that horse. I'd missed the woodwork sorely, and that made me doubt, fear; and angry and depressed. Meantime, though, writing pursuits saved me from utter despair.

This event showed me something I'd seen about writing in my other arts and in my life: doubt, and etc., arise when forward circumstances stall. Grief cycles: denial, anger, depression, bargaining, acceptance, and cycle through and through. When motivation and preparation, and perhaps a cognitive leap, build to surmount stalls, movement begins again.

Made a cognitive leap about my woodcraft, want so much to more develop decorative appeal without sight lost of utilitarian appeal. The time expended on planning to get back on the horse developed into a plan revision for when or if I did. Got it, for the next woodcraft growth phase anyway and a new thought about writing, too: Doubt can, might could be a useful tool if appreciated in its doldrums as a phase that fosters renewed reflection and that shall pass in its time.

[ December 26, 2016, 10:34 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
There are insights here that not only apply to artistic endeavors and writerly struggles, but can also be applied to characterization and plot complications in stories.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I'm glad you were able to get back on the horse, as it were. [Smile] I'd like to see some of your woodwork sometime, if you're amenable.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
My published woodworks are listed under my name; I don't want to associate that identity with my Hatrack one. I could e-mail a few sample photos.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
No worries, I get it. E-mail would be just fine. [Smile]
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Happy New Year! [Smile]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Yo Happy New Year
 
Posted by telflonmail (Member # 9501) on :
 
Happy National Science Fiction Day
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by telflonmail:
Happy National Science Fiction Day

I saw that kinda of late today
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
quote:
Happy National Science Fiction Day
Well, it was what would have been Isaac Asimov's ninety-seventh birthday.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
From online most lookup hit counts, Merriam Webster's word of the year 2016 is "fascist." Dictionary.com's, "xenophobia." Oxford Dictionaries', "post-truth." Cambridge Dictionaries', "paranoid." Collin's, "Brexit." (The Writer's Chronicle. Feb 2017:46. Print. Online for Associated Writing Program registered members.)

A consciousness stream runs through those -- a possible topic for timely-relevant public interest appeal prose!? Where forth doth cometh from the squint-eyed alien monster invasion, where forth doth goeth they? Judges 19:17 paraphrase.

[ January 06, 2017, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Well, well finally put up my two calendars. Yes two, I couldn't make up my mind if I wanted Eagles-the wild birds-or Star Trek:Ships of the Line, so for the last five years I have both near my computer.

Actually I am ahead of last year, I didn't even order the second one until 2016 had started.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
110F in the shade today, but only 30% humidity. Heaven.

Phil.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy old guy:
110F in the shade today, but only 30% humidity. Heaven.

Phil.

[Eek!] No me gusta.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Forty-two Fahrenheit this morning. In South Florida.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
8 Fahrenheit in southeast Michigan. XP
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
We got Rain. Yep, the word should be capitalized. Hopefully snow at the higher elevations. Looks like it when the clouds went away for a little bit.

Not too chilly though. Somewhere in the 40s in the mornings. Late 40s I think.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Sign of the Season: I just spotted one of the dancing Statues of Liberty---a little late in the season 'cause they usually start much closer to New Year's Day.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The unseasonably seasonal weather hereabouts prompted a miscreant or two to make off with a large and valuable portion of my woodwork art material stockpile, probably for firewood. They got away with two hundred board feet of beautifully figured cedar still in the rough, worth raw about $$$, and finished into ware about $$$$. Axe-swipes. Cedar's not even good firewood, like oak.

My share of responsibility -- the hiatus of inactivity while healing from the wounds mentioned above. If only I'd milled the cedar and got it into secured storage. They didn't touch the holly, cherry, maple, myrtle, or pecan on an adjacent stack. Nor had I set out the black walnut from my car trunk yet. It is coming inside.

[ January 10, 2017, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
That's awful, extrinsic! So sad to hear that happened.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Same here. [Frown]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
That is unfortunate, extrinsic. In my karmic universe they light a cosy fire and are then trapped in the burning building.

Phil.

PS. Look close to home for those burning embers, is my advice.

[ January 11, 2017, 12:58 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Thank you, my friends, for the compassion. The wood is gone one way or another and not thing one to do but somehow replace it.

I mean, wood does grow on trees; the exceptional figure of the lost material is uncommon, though. I'm a responsible harvester, only dead wood and with express timber rights owner permission, so getting a useful supply comes along every rare now and then.

The figure -- wavy streams of deep purple-red, bright orange-brown heartwood, and vanilla cream sapwood long grain wound around numerous small and large hard-tight knots. The last wares I made from the cedar netted a good piece of change. A visualization of Van Gogh's "Starry Night" sky in cedar's color palette, the knot stars darkest. Some of the cedar didn't walk away -- five board feet of raw and two feet milled saved inside the drying kiln.

[ January 12, 2017, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I forgot to come back and express my sympathies.

But ohhhh that was a tough day you had.

I hope you get lucky and can replace it sooner than you think.

And do you have pics of some of your creations?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I have pictures of most of my works from the past fifteen years. Few posted online at this time -- ones posted by local news media that won art show awards. Thanks for the sympathies.

An odd factor for the cedar I want is that it is usually from weed trees that were unmanicured, nonornamental plants, volunteered from wild seed, and grew out there where they were mostly just scrub bushes and into either nuisance trees or were totally neglected. The waxwing bird is the usual seed spreader. They eat the juniper berries when ripe and somewhat fermented, get a buzz, then expel the seed stones from pole perch wire rests and such.

Wilderness cedar, though, is out of bounds and not as decorative a grain figure anyway, due to few lower branches development, where desirable knots form from the heartwood. Cedars that have full sunlight exposure all around grow lush lower branches.

I have a standing request for a call with a few tree crews if they come across any cedar, maple, cherry, walnut, beech, chestnut, or holly, at quid pro quo exchange. Unfortunately, shade tree crews make additional funds from selling the downed wood as firewood. The big bog tree companies just run it all through an industrial chipper and sell that for mulch. When I come across a crew working, I have a look-see. They're all usually generous about letting me grab what I can carry away in the car trunk.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I had my first prescient dream in more than two decades last night. I must be wary of a dark haired woman in a white dress with small red polka-dots. She will complicate my life. For good or ill, I am uncertain.

Phil.

[ January 25, 2017, 05:50 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I've decided to build a website, because... websites are useful? And fun? And stuff. XD (The site itself isn't ready yet, but I purchased the domain name and the hosting. It's been over a decade since I last played with HTML, so I've got a lot of re-learning and catching up to do.)
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
After I don't sign on for ages, I come to Grist for the Mill and see that this entire page 81 is filled with posts by names I recognize. You all feel like old friends to me. =)

I've been in business school getting my MBA and I can't focus on writing because my head is full of businessy things. Bleh. There's my bit of grist for the mill...
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Keep up the good work, tesknota. And thanks for checking in.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
So, apparently Windows 10 has this wonderful feature where it can do a partial reformat by resetting your Windows settings without deleting your personal files. I am super happy about this, because my computer recently started glitching terribly (my existing Antivirus seemed to have disappeared after I installed an update and ran a scan, we couldn't reinstall it or any other Antivirus, and most other programs refused to open or work properly). Resetting the PC seems to have fixed it, and all of my various story drafts are fully intact.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I like Windows 10, liked it when I saw it on a laptop I bought, but when I updated my Windows 8 tower I wound up having to get a whole new tower. Nothing important was lost (except maybe the end of one story file and I may simply have forgotten to save when I closed.) But it was a real pain to work through.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Haven't been here for a while. My fault, too busy with writing and Google+ and GoodReads.

One of the writing things is a certain nameless contest and Indie publishing a new book and getting another one ready. That one is almost ready and I need to decide if I should try a couple of Traditional publishers or just Indie it. I think it is my best but that may not be saying much. I have been doing some very short stories inspired by pics on G+ as well as wasting time there.

Tomorrow I want to do something I haven't been doing-got out of the habit of even thinking about it just like coming here-sending out stories. I hope to send out at least half a dozen.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I haven't been writing today, but that's because I've been drawing. O_o Really drawing, for the first time in ages. It's been fun! I might link you guys when it's done (although I will give fair warning if I do, because there is mild artistic nudity).
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Finally got around to sending out some stories. Only three though. It was suppose to be seven. But there was a glitch with one. So now to send the next four tomorrow. That includes to IGMS
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
The last week or so has been super busy between work, family stuff, and trying to finish a story in time to make a deadline. I should be able to catch up on critiques after today. The spirit is willing, but time constraints have not been kind.
 
Posted by H Reinhold (Member # 10553) on :
 
Good luck meeting that deadline, Peony! You can do it! Also, please do share some of your drawing when you're finished. I'd like to have a look.

A friend of mine has finally decided to start taking her drawing more seriously and I've just persuaded her to submit an entry to Illustrators of the Future. On the back of that, I was wondering: does anyone here know of a good art critique site, similar to Hatrack but for artists or illustrators working in sf/fantasy art?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Keyword search terms "Online science fiction, fantasy art workshops," Facebook and blogspot groups pop up. I did not evaluate any group's efficacy. One did mention several important considerations.

One area not discussed that concerns what I consider the present state of the art is limited to no dimensionality, flat canvases and limited dimensional perspectives, so to speak. Orthagonal or single point perspectives can depict much more dimensionality than the usual media does. The visual arts technique foreshortened perspective is one method to enhance dimensional depth. Others include shades and highlights, chiaroscuro, degree of blur to focus, and comparative size.

A basic principle across graphic visual arts is, acronym labeled, CARP: contrast, alignment, repetition, and proximity. Each of which speaks to the above methods. For example, an irregular line of utility poles start well-lit, cast distinct shadows, clear definition, and large in the foreground, progress toward the background, blur, indistinct shadows and lights, smaller sizes. Foreshortened compresses the progression.

Common dimensionality shortfalls I see is either too much detail (busy) or too little (flat) for the visual performance space's size, such that the dimensionality doesn't pop nor emphasize key subjects. An artwork meant for trade paperback publication page dimensions, 6 inches by 9 inches, 1 inch margins, like the Writers and Illustrators of the Future anthology, is an essential consideration. An art pad page size of, say, 14 inches by 22 inches might loose critical details upon publication translation. I don't see these considerations raised at online art workshops.

[ March 02, 2017, 12:49 AM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Actually, it's often better to go bigger with the initial artwork, in my experience, so long as you keep the proportions correct. That way when the art gets shrunk down to the correct proportions there's more detail than if you worked at the same size. In comic books/graphic novels, at least, twice the size of the final product is preferred. (I wanted to draw comics for awhile. Still do, sometimes.)
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Scalable Vector Graphics maintains every detail no matter the resolution.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Several dozens of problems reproduction arts encounter between faithful to an artist's vision and house production values. I do that work, have for a number of publications and at print shops over the years, yet to come across an artwork that didn't need adjustments for reproduction translation purposes.

The custom of an original produced larger than a final publication product mitigates a few problems, though each mitigation causes a few more. For example, inexperienced artists crowd a larger canvas with content that mistranslates upon size reduction. Color match, gamma, histogram, contrast, intensity, washout, the list runs long. Digital technology itself mitigates a few of the older problems of monochromatic film cameras, though adds exponential more.

Reproduction artists are between artists and house production value expectations and must satisfy both and end consumers.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The wee early a.m.s and waiting for the last part of a four hundred page job to arrive, expedited delivery due overnight on my end, due tomorrow close of business at the other end. The editing job is a med-mal suit and tedious and striking for the cross talk and subtext. The two adversaries have a nose altitude act that's a tense duel. Noses cross swords at face-to-face distance.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by extrinsic:
The wee early a.m.s and waiting for the last part of a four hundred page job to arrive, expedited delivery due overnight on my end, due tomorrow close of business at the other end. The editing job is a med-mal suit and tedious and striking for the cross talk and subtext. The two adversaries have a nose altitude act that's a tense duel. Noses cross swords at face-to-face distance.

That's a lot of editing to do in one to two days. O_o Good luck!
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A brutal sixteen-hour Sunday. Job done on my part before dawn and on time. I have an editor hangover now. Another thousand pages forecast for the week. Tax season is a busy time for this work.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The work blizzard strikes today. Usually starts on Sunday, lasts the middle week, and trickles Friday and Saturday or those days off. This means no days off for the duration, and a commissioned woodwork project delayed -- a traditional Irish side board of yellow pine, intended for a home multimedia entertainment cabinet.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I had a minor trip to the emergency room this evening. I'm alright--just sore. Apparently, I need to eat a high fiber diet and avoid eating nuts and seeds unless I want to suffer moderate discomfort and pain. I did not know this yesterday, when my friends talked me into seeing a movie and I split a bag of movie theater popcorn with my hubby. Today has been several different kinds of uncomfortable.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Sorry to hear you've been unwell. Changing eating habits is almost harder than giving up smoking. One thing at a time is my pitiful advice.

Phil.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
That's confusing, though. Aren't nuts and seeds a good source of fiber?

What did they recommend that you eat instead? Fruits and veggies and whole grains (popcorn is a whole grain, by the way)?

So sorry that you have been uncomfortable and told to change eating habits. As Phil says, that's hard.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
High fiber and low nut and seed diet recommendation is an outmoded treatment for diverticula, diverticulitis, and diverticulosis. Some relief of symptoms from that diet may be more placebo effect than treatment, which low residue diets are also in question. Treatment of intestinal irritation and inflammation is at present the most promising course; that is, soft, bulky fiber, nonspicy, nonirritating foods and beverages, maybe some fats, comfort foods, maybe with antibiotics and mild nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, over the counter analgesics, NSAIDs of the less irritating types, like ibuprofen, not aspirin nor acetaminophen. Naproxen is an intermediate analgesic digestive track irritant.

About a third of Western people encounter diverticular discomforts, more often in the left, lower abdominal quadrant for Westerners, much more so for older people. The overall condition seems to be due to mild, moderate, or severe intestinal irritation and aggravation. On the other hand, a differential diagnosis is irritable bowel syndrome. Emotional stress contributes to both conditions.

That diet recommendation, treatment, though, seems to be a diagnostic workup, too: Follow that diet and see if discomfort fades, may include antibiotics, good to consider, too, lowered stress. If not effective, soon time for definitive, extensive, and expensive abdominal CT scans with contrast dye.

Yeah, been there, and recently again, due to rancid whole wheat bread served toasted to disguise it was rancid. No fun. Hope your course leads to less discomfort and get well soon.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I had a CT scan when I was at the emergency room. They said I have diverticulosis. I've got a follow-up appointment with a gastroentomologist, but they can't see me until next Tuesday. [Frown] In the meantime, I got given antibiotics and a couple pieces of paper on the subject. I've continued to experience intermittent pain, but it's slowly getting more manageable. I think. (No helping the stress right now. Another coworker of mine is in the hospital until Tuesday, so I've been scrambling to get shifts covered.)

I really don't want to skip out on spicy foods in the long term, if I can help it. Indian food is one of my favorite things, and I'm fond of good (read: spicy) Mexican food as well.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
So sorry! That's absolutely no fun at all. Hope it gets better soon.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The malicious malefactor e-mail assault continues from world capital cities, latest from Rome, Jakarta, and Singapore. This week, also, a hacker cabal attempted to barge my private e-mail account -- several layers of Internet security thwarted the attempt. Changed and strengthened passwords, too.

I could, I guess, if impish need for negative attention and self-worth from association, wish for this all being state sponsored graft intent on intelligence collection and weaponized political blackmail, as if I am anyone pertinent in that realm, and am not -- not me anyway, family maybe, maybe not; know, though, it is not state activity, is from scam and con crooks, some who are in it solely for the chaos they desperately want to cause that inflates their self-worth, part who want to barge into other's lives because they are lifeless zonbi, most are prospectors for easy stupid-lazy Benjamins.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I'm pregnant! [Big Grin] My husband and I have been trying for awhile. We're super excited, and I wanted to let you all know.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Mega congrats!

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yeah, congratulations.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Disgruntled Peony and Anonymous Pater Familias's Unsettled Buttercup joy quickens. Much good fortune wishes for the sacred family, and extrinsic's felicitous salutations.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Disgruntled Peony:
I'm pregnant! [Big Grin] My husband and I have been trying for awhile. We're super excited, and I wanted to let you all know.

Congrats to you both and may things go smoothly


And what extrinsic said. [Big Grin]


But I hope he knows that Buttercup is a growing war unicorn. Double [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thank you so much for sharing this with us, Disgruntled Peony. That's great news. May all go well with you.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Apparently, my excitement was premature. We lost the baby. (It was arguably gone by the time we found out I had it, but we didn't know yet.) I'm not really sure how to deal with this right now. My husband and I had just decided on potential names.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Oh, dear! That is awful! Please accept my condolences. Not only is there emotional pain with such a loss, there is also physical pain. I'm so sorry. Let yourself mourn because this was a real baby, and don't let anyone tell you different.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The world would weep: An angel has gone from this Earth.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
In this moment of personal tragedy and pain know that people are with you, DP. If not in words, at least in spirit.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Devastating.
 
Posted by H Reinhold (Member # 10553) on :
 
So sorry to hear, Peony. My thoughts are with you and your husband.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Just a tip: To store fresh carrots and beans, place in a watertight container, cover with water, and place in the fridge. Carrots will remain crispy for three weeks or more, beans about two weeks.

Phil.

PS: It works for celery too.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
I'll fuel the mill with some bundled insecurities since I've completely given up on my blog. =\

I'm graduating this weekend, and I'm really nervous! Investiture is tomorrow (for MBA candidates - which is me) and a schoolwide commencement is Saturday morning. All I can really think about right now is how I haven't found a full-time job yet. I'll be working hard the next few months trying to secure one, but while I do, my emotional state will be similar to that of the guy in the Scream painting.

I'm also moving, and my apartment is a mess. It'll only be across town, but it's hot outside. =|

I can't figure out how to deliciously season a pot roast made in a slow cooker. Maybe this is it, and my expectations are set too high...

And most importantly, I haven't succeeded in writing a complete short story in these two years I've been in grad school.

Whew! Feels good to let it all out. =D
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
McCormick makes a dry seasoning packet specifically for slow cooker pot roasts. Add a layer of equal-ish quantity raw, washed, and uncut, except to fit into the pot, onions, celery, and carrots upon which the roast sets while cooking; those are aromatics suited to beef generally. The onions and carrots may be peeled or not if desired. Maybe quarter the onions. Otherwise, follow label directions.

Options: sear the roast beforehand in a hot skillet with oil. Heat the skillet and thin layer of oil until the oil starts to smoke -- just (Caution, a fire and burn hazard, will trip a smoke detector). Turn the roast in the hot oil until browned on all sides. Marinate overnight beforehand in acidulated (vinegar or citrus juices) spices, herbs, and condiment sauces: soy sauce, worchestershire, red wine, dry sherry, tomato, mustard, etc., to a recipe and to taste.

Note that the person who cooks does not savor the food as much as persons for whom food is cooked. The food suffuses the cook's senses all along the preparation process, like the buildup of aromatic vegetables' scent release and peak and fall: olfactory sense pre-eating saturation. Others come fresh to the sensory experience at meal time. Or -- food always tastes more delicious when prepared by another, assuming, of course, the food is reasonably well-prepared. Leftovers are usually more savory for the cook; sensory saturation wanes after a short time.

[ May 11, 2017, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I'd recommend that you put the onions, potatoes, and carrots on the bottom of the slow cooker and put the meat on top of them.

And congratulations on completing your MBA.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Potatoes (peeled), carrots (pre-sliced), one onion (for flavor), beef-for-stew (fried in a pan and then microwaved), three-plus cups of water, tomato sauce (small can), salt, pepper, minced onion. All together in a multi-cooker / Dutch oven combo (I've got no room on my counter for a slow cooker.) Bring to boil, lower to just over boiling, leave for three hours, add more water as needed.

Tried to post this this morning but my computer froze up.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
I've been feeling the need to go back to school, lately. It seems a better alternative than continuing in retail. Try as I might to talk myself into a "better career move", I've read over all of the degree options offered at University of Michigan and the one that appealed to me the most is an English degree. My inner writer is trying to claw its way out.

My mom warned me against an English degree when I was young, but when I confessed my interest to her this week she was much more supportive. Whatever I end up doing, I need to look into grants and loans.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Consider a close look at National University's online program offers. Their creative writing MFA is phenomenal and par with most across the planet. Lower cost all around than traditional on-campus and low residency programs, with more quality instructor contact time, plus, opportunity to study without major life interruptions. Courses are a la carte, at a student's time convenience and cost per sequential course module, not per semester. For online, no out of state tuition and fees difference from in-state residents. Eligible for full Department of Education financial aid for full-time students. Requires a humanities bachelor's first, though.

National does offer an online English bachelor's program, too, with a creative writing concentration option, and accepts transferable credits, about most everything a traditional university offers, provides, and accepts, at a lower cost and at a student's convenience, except for the in-person social culture.

National's English BA splash page.

The DOE FAFSA site is where to look and apply for federal education grants and loans. It's all online anymore, pretty much.

[ May 13, 2017, 01:28 AM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Kathy_K (Member # 10546) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Disgruntled Peony:
I've been feeling the need to go back to school, lately. It seems a better alternative than continuing in retail. Try as I might to talk myself into a "better career move", I've read over all of the degree options offered at University of Michigan and the one that appealed to me the most is an English degree. My inner writer is trying to claw its way out.

My mom warned me against an English degree when I was young, but when I confessed my interest to her this week she was much more supportive. Whatever I end up doing, I need to look into grants and loans.

I'm halfway through a low residency MFA program at Lesley University in Cambridge Massachusetts. Let me know if you'd like my opinion of their program and professors. Also, my father also warned me against an english degree two decades ago. He said all I could do with an english degree was teach, so I got a degree in biology instead. I've been teaching it to high schools students for 16 years now. Ha!! Got with your gut. If you want to study writing, do it. You only get one turn on this ride, after all.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Haha, thanks for all the advice on how to season things in my slow cooker! Extrinsic, I did hear about McCormick's seasoning packet... I've just never used those before, so I wasn't sure about trying it. I'll check it out next time! I did try to sear (or brown) the meat a bit before slow-cooking, and I liked the way it turned out. Kathleen, the recipe definitely specified to put the veggies on the bottom! I think it got the meat to cook better, but I really don't know what I'm talking about yet. I've still got a lot of experimenting to do before I become a decent cook. Robert, now I feel bad about tossing the rest of the tomato sauce can! The recipe said one tablespoon and that was only about 1/5 of the can... I'm planning to get a Dutch oven for my next kitchen addition! Apparently, the internet recommends one for making anything au vin. Thanks for all the advice, everyone! I'll master my slow cooker yet.

And Peony, do it! I would say though that learning for the sake of a better career is different from learning for the sake of enjoyment. Honestly, if I could redo college, I would choose engineering over chemistry. I wasn't even thinking about a career back then... As for English, although I'm not familiar with job opportunities after the degree, I do recall hearing that technical writing could be a great career. That, and you get to surround yourself with English lovers for a few years, which is always nice.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Well, I'm back. As a writer, I mean. It's been 4 years of experimentation with my endocrinologist trying to avoid the physical side effects but, as lower doses weren't cutting the mustard, we decided 8 months ago to revert to the original dosage. Right on time, as expected and hoped for, my drive and passion to write returned.

This wasn't a gradual return, again, as expected, it was like switching on a lightbulb; bang, there it was. Now, all I have to do is stop it becoming an obsession. Last time this happened I wrote a million words in two years, not counting re-writes.

Phil.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
tesknota, the 'searing' of the meat is called caramelisation. This imparts most of the flavour to meat. You should place small batches of diced beef in a hot pan, turning regularly for 5 to 8 minutes. The idea isn't to cook the meat but to give it a crust that keeps the moisture in. After all the meat has been caramelised, add some liquid to the bottom of the pan to loosen all the meaty bits stuck to the bottom and add this liquid to the pot.

Phil.

PS: A hot pan doesn't mean turning the hotplate to full. A hot pan means that if you were to sprinkle a few drops of water into the pan they will bead and run around the pan until they eventually evaporate. But make sure to give the pan time to heat up and reheat between batches: I usually allow 5 minutes heating time.

[ May 19, 2017, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Just been listening to news on Manchester bombings. Makes my little satirical tirade against organised religions either prescient or pathetically pointless.

Or both.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A new, depraved low, one that shows one true motivation for these corruptions of the received word of God -- perpetuation of the subjugation of womankind to mortal men's capricious whims.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
History, which is doomed to repeat itself due to ignorance and a lust for violence -- on both sides -- the civilization creators and the destroyers. Both which are capable of ghastly evils. This usually doesn't bode well for those of us who dream of something better and are caught in the middle.

Humans, I doubt we'll ever learn.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
The U.S. just sold Saudi Arabia 110 billion dollars of weaponry and we're the brokers of middle east peace.

Talk about irony.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Humans who try to learn can't easily change those who won't, and I think that's the saddest part of all. =\

Edit: But if anyone here wants to get away from it all and start a restaurant or a flower shop, apparently Italian castles are an option...

http://observer.com/2017/05/state-property-agency-italy-giving-away-over-100-castles-for-free/

[ May 23, 2017, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: tesknota ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A small windfall came out of the blue. Not to last long. Have to upgrade computer hardware and software to stay abreast of my clients. $$$$. And there it went. Oh bother.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Is it just me or is it extremely difficult to switch to first person writing when you have mostly been writing in the third person? My autopilot is stuck on third person grammar and I find myself constantly dealing with corrections. It's a pain in the blankity-blank. Sorry just needed to vent for a second.

W.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, if it doesn't look right in first person, try rewriting it, word for word, in third person, and see how it reads then.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
My first person work tends to include more third person direct observation than first person centric. The issue of extra lenses of the I saw, heard, felt, smelled, tasted, etc., extra lenses are easily tamed by third person auxiliary. Plus the matter of summary explanation tells of the tagged indirect discourse method, like I thought the world was flat, I said green M&Ms radiate asterisks, Killdeer delight me odd date Tuesdays. Still unnecessary extra lenses, too.

[ June 12, 2017, 12:21 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Took a leisure week to set up the new system, install software, customize settings, adapt connected devices. $$$$ is the only misgiving. The system does handstands and about anything else except wash the dishes and such.

The latest versions of WordPerfect and Corel Draw now have full PDF functionality, includes document distribution security and fill-in form development. These are practical for publication activities, like use license delivery and disallow or limit share, copy, print, edit, and save options, sort of a method useful for distribution rights management of intellectual property.

Wireless keyboard and mouse, wireless printer, scanner, VGA to HDMI television display, large screen, high-definition monitor cable all expand usability. The extant camera, external drives, and blood glucose meter are all compatible with the system.

Plus, Foster Grant debuted multi-focus reading glasses -- eyesight isn't what it used to be. The lenses have three zones for variable focal length distances, "across the desk," "computer screen," and "reading." My vision is myopic as it is; the prescription lenses do not do any good under about ten feet. These reading glasses span the close-up gap for my aging eyes. Next, maybe, Transitions (tm) lenses for my prescription eyeglasses. Bifocals only have two zones. Transitions' zones are similar to the Foster Grant's, except a center zone is for distance.

[ June 16, 2017, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Received my copy of The Dictionary of English Usage yesterday. The first entry is the use of 'a' or 'an'. This is going to make editing sentences interesting.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I have Webster's and Fowler's dictionaries of English usage. Usage is often unconventional, plus differences between Webster's U.S. and Fowler's British dialects, and differences among the current and former Commonwealth nations, Scotland, Wales, North Ireland, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, India, to name a few, like, dialectical use of a before a word with an initial consonant sound and an before a word with an initial silent H sound, and misapprehensions of which indefinite article to use before an abbreviation, and, not listed, which article to use for words with initial letter Y as vowel or consonant sound.

And of late, an advocacy for an international Standard Written English usage dialect; examples, U.S. variants, cooperation, gray; British variants, co-operation, grey; international variants, coöperation, coopération, coöpération, grey. In best practice cases, downstyle for simplicity, readability and comprehensibility, "cooperation" trends most; otherwise, an editor's best practice is consistency or a client's style.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
My next purchase search is for a standard dictionary from 1950, then 1930, and so on. The reason? I have found that some words simply disappear because their usage has diminished, but not necessarily disappeared.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I collect dictionaries. My oldest is from 1886, and, likewise, pivotal language change years, like 1960, many words previously hyphenated became one word. Earlier dictionaries for the same words don't list even the hyphenated words.

Definitions change, too, a word's denotative meaning might become deprecated and a new usage substitute a denotation, connotations accumulate, often exclusive of a denotative meaning. Mundane is such a word, a new usage, or descriptive use, definition since 1990 to mean dull and banal, when the earthly realm is anything but dull and banal; antonym, metaphysical, either or both spiritual and paranormal realms.

One of substance for writers, exposition, hasn't changed definition for centuries though common usage has changed, to mean a number of writing modes, summary and explanation mode, or "tell," most, a lesser meaning backstory and background. Not a Webster's definition anyway -- an online one, though.

A librarian the other day condemned the colloquialism ain't. I didn't have it in me to debate the word's descriptive worth. Nor do dictionaries hold a candle to its prescriptive usages, not "am not, are not, and is not," rather, solely for best practice "am not," first-person conjugated to be irregular verb negation contraction, especially for stream-of-consciousness descriptive use. Ain't gonna lie no more. Four pages of pro and oppo "ain't" discussion in Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage a few dozen pages after "a and an". Similar comments though more "ain't" disapproval in Fowler's.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My old big dictionary, purchased in the early eighties, has the most interesting---and from 2017, most inaccurate---definition of "clone."
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
After doing my NSG post about the seven deadly sins, I counted them--there are eight.

And, on the "I'm an idiot!" front, I accidentally downloaded 1.7Gb of data to my phone instead of my computer. I just have to find out how to get it from one to the other now. Goose!

Phil.

[ June 19, 2017, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Yeah, noticed eight listed "deadly sins," though seven is the usual count. "Despair" isn't a usual moral vice noted in the literature, though is perhaps a subset of sloth, the way vanity is of pride. Anyway, no imminent hazard to life, limb, or property due to the misapprehension, so . . . Not warranted as a point of order interruption call from the floor due to misinformation.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Thought the traditional arrangement was Sloth (Gilligan), Anger (the Skipper), Greed (Mr. Howell),
Gluttony (Mrs. Howell), Lust (Ginger), Pride (the Professor), and Envy (Mary Ann).
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Side note to the deadly sins: I've been listening to The Fellowship of the Rings, and I kept thinking "PRIDE! PRIDE!" when Boromir started talking to the council at Rivendell...
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tesknota:
Side note to the deadly sins: I've been listening to The Fellowship of the Rings, and I kept thinking "PRIDE! PRIDE!" when Boromir started talking to the council at Rivendell...

Indeed [Smile]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Which moral traits, vices and virtues, then for Frodo, Samwise, Gandalf, Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn? Note, seven for the heroes' ensemble cast if Borimir counts. Smeagle? Antagonist?
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by extrinsic:
Which moral traits, vices and virtues, then for Frodo, Samwise, Gandalf, Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn? Note, seven for the heroes' ensemble cast if Borimir counts. Smeagle? Antagonist?

I started trying to figure this out, but it's been too long since I read the books or watched the movies, so I couldn't piece it together without extensive research. Unfortunately, I do not have time for that right now.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I retired this morning.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
More writing time?

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I sure hope so.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Congratulations on your retirement. I hope it goes well for you. [Smile]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm hoping. But it's been accompanied by some unanticipated problems with my legs (pinched nerve?) and it kinda casts a pall on things. (Rest, and if it doesn't go away, doctors.)
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Retired twice, three more retirement events planned, two more anticipated, includes the utter and ultimate retirements.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I'm trying to avoid the ultimate retirement for a while. I knew a lot of guys who only made it a few months past. Personally, I plan to live forever or die trying.

Actually, retirement had just a little to do with finding more time to write, though I sure do hope to do that. A lot happened in my life in the past year. Things just reached the point where I felt I couldn't do it any more.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Eye exam results, an annual necessity for diabetics due to retinopathy potentials (eye damage, even blindness): now presbyopic, have been myopic since childhood, never hypertropic; respectively, diminished near vision focus, nearsighted, and farsighted; some age-appropriate average cataract occlusion -- clouding and other occultations of the eye lenses.

These optical terms, too, entail negatively charged figurative connotations: myopic, nearsighted, focused solely on short-term processes and outcomes; presbyopic, unfocused, no focus whatsoever on any now or later process or outcome; farsighted, hypertropic, focused solely on long-term processes and outcomes. "Vision" depth of field, though, is a figurative representation of a focal length span that compasses balanced near-, intermediate-, and far-term processes and outcomes' focus.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Distractions, distractions, and more distractions. Finally got my new laser printer working -- it actually prints text now.

Oooooooops! Fumble fingers.

Phil.

[ July 06, 2017, 09:06 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Searched years for economical carver's chisels and found a set that met most of the criteria: hard high-carbon steel blades, quality wood long handles, suitable edge profiles, durable, and well-forged and well-fabricated. Other trial sets have failed on more than one criteria -- cheapness most of all.

The chisel blades came rough grind, though, and needed extensive tuneup and revision sharpening -- probably why the set cost $$ instead of $$$. At that price, some slack edge grind is anticipated, though the factory company takes lazy habit liberties based upon that presumption. More than a few hours expended on the edge tuneups, chisel sharpening tools and skills required anyway and learnt and acquired along the way.

Time traded for cost economy: no immediate, effortless gratification, rather, an achievement with a long-wanted payoff reward due to perseverance. Such is life. Such is creative writing.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
My husband and I are going to see a Metallica concert on Wednesday. I'm super excited. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by H Reinhold (Member # 10553) on :
 
Aww. Jealous. (But not as much as my husband is.) I hope you have a great time!
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The latest round of malicious emails contain commented-out, hidden content in the source code that is personal contact information of several individuals: name, address, phone number, Social Security number, birth date, among a rash of gibberish.

HTML comment start code is the less-than glyph followed by an exclamation mark and two hyphens, hidden content next, the end code is two hyphens then the greater-than glyph. Comment code content does not display. Hatrack's UBB code ignores comment code. <!--content-->

Comment code often is used to post code writer memoranda, innocent, more or less, though might also contain malicious content, like secret communication of contact information or other coded message content. For secret messages between entity cells, nefarious or benevolent. Other comment codes are used for CSS, and etc.

This one email's host site domain is registered to a faked identity with faked registrant information. (Notice sent of domain abuse to ICANN watchdogs.) The message's inline links link to a bypass page that then redirects to an offshore site where the true mischief transpires.

Grammar errors in the message, the header, subject line, title, too, signal the malicious design of the operation. "_A_ Amazon Free Gift" for one. Indefinite article error, English second language common error.

For general information: the prescriptive hyphen separation for e-mail, electronic mail abbreviated, is now deprecated: "email" has now become the preference (e-mail, 1982 coin). Either is descriptive use, with now the greater preference and precedent use one unhyphenated word. Living language is ever lively.

[ July 17, 2017, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I have looked at source code for websites, but I'm not sure how to look at source code for emails.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
So many ways to access email source code, dependent on app. Maybe right click the open email message in an empty area, maybe at the message bottom, and select View Source or View Page Source. Different browsers and mail clients differ about how to access email source code, the above works for Outlook and IMAP, web mail apps. Outlook Express, select a message from a folder, like Inbox, right click the message, select Properties, select the Details tab, select the Message Source button. A basic text page opens with the source code therein.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Noted this typo in a document: "moe-parking sign." A situational irony that unintentionally alludes to The Three Stooges' Moe. "Moe," pronounced mow, sounds like schmo, Yiddish for an idiot or cuckold, has become an idiom for Stooge-like moronic antics, like on-street parking in no-parking zones. What a Moe.

Contrarily, Japanese manga and anime loanword urban slang has picked up the same word spelling to refer to audience infatuation feelings toward affectionable, likeable or "moe" characters, pronounced Mow-ay.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, Moe Howard's real name was Moses Harry Horwitz, for what it's worth.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Bleep bleep bleep. forgot my password for two days. Almost caved and contacted KDW for a new one. For some reason, all I could do is remember the first one I had here. Been so busy writing I lost all my other brain cells along the way. Though I'd stop in and hit the login, and everything went blank. I'm a big don't write down your password kind of person. Now that I'm getting older I might have to rethink that.

W.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
As long as you can still access the email address you used when you registered, the system should be able to send you your password.

I write down clues for my passwords instead of the actual password.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Thanks, K. I'll remember that.

W.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
...So, my job has been so consistently stressful since I took the store manager position that I nearly had a full-fledged nervous breakdown yesterday. I gave my boss my two weeks' notice today (closer to three, really). I didn't want to, but it seemed preferable to getting fired or going insane. I'm giving my boss a little extra time so It's easier for him to fill the position.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Best wishes for pleasant and healthy navigation of those stressful shoals. May writing successes take up some of the self-actualization! And may a more suitable vocation present in the near future.

[ August 01, 2017, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
So have you got something else lined up yet?
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
No. [Frown] I know exactly how bad an idea it is to quit a job without having something else lined up, but it seemed preferable to having to mention I've been fired to every company that asks. I'm putting in applications to all sorts of jobs and will continue to do so. I just can't keep doing this anymore. The manifestations of stress have become physically painful and emotionally traumatic.

To clarify, toward the beginning of July my DM told me I had until the end of August to fix a bunch of problems with the store that I've been trying to fix for the last year and a half. He also implied that I would lose my job if I couldn't do it. That stress, compounded with all of the other problems and my inability to resolve them, has been causing panic attacks and stomach pains for the last month.

I thought I was making progress with the store. Then a coworker who was supposed to be covering for two other people who were out of town was a) late, and b) left after an hour because she was so sick she needed to go to the emergency room. There was no one else to cover, so I ended up alone most of my shift on the busiest tag day of the month (we had both weekly and monthly tags to put up, and a ton of both). All of my efforts to catch us up essentially got wiped away with one unexpected and ill-timed sick day. I broke down crying in the store at one point on Sunday, a fact I am not proud of.

So, yeah. Can't do it anymore.

[ August 01, 2017, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: Disgruntled Peony ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Consider keeping filed all employment records from that job that are in your possession. I've worked at places like that, that abuse employees, and followed law suits about those job types and work locations -- problem units of multi-branch outfits. Corporate executives, administrators, and regional managers get away with the lion's share of wage theft because abused employees don't keep and have documented proof of job descriptions, work manuals, work hours, pay, employment, etc., when needed for a claim. Class action labor lawsuits can take several years to surface and a decade or so to settle.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Went to reinstate the utility trailer registration yesterday. The registration had lapsed the year before; the trailer had been idle and I just forgot. The trailer is a kit-build and of modest real value. According to government records, the current appraised value had increased 2500 percent and the property tax followed suit. How I wish all my property appreciated 2500 genuine percent in one year.

A day spent back and forth across town, across four state and municipal agencies, and on the phone wrangled the mangle. Actual true value restored and tax paid and registration renewed.

I remain baffled how the appraisal increased so precipitously: deliberate malfeasance, prank, clerical error, punitive for my lapse, computer glitch, whatever. A concerned-citizen call to the community council person is indicated.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Had to change the registry on a car recently, from my (late) father to my mother. (I have my mother's power of attorney.) Took two days, and on the first day they told me I needed something I didn't have and, as it worked out, didn't need.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Had to change the registry on a car recently, from my (late) father to my mother. (I have my mother's power of attorney.) Took two days, and on the first day they told me I needed something I didn't have and, as it worked out, didn't need.

That last is good even though frustrating
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Helping my wife with her dad. For the last three months or so his health has been failing. It started when he fell-I was with him-and couldn't get up. I got him up twice but he wouldn't stay up. So I call 911. Turned out to be A urinary tract infection that had gotten into his blood. They finally solved that but he still has problems walking. He fell a fourth time and broke four ribs--that was with 24 hour care but he had wanted to use the bathroom by himself. So His children decided to talk him into moving to a retirement center with assisted living. My wife is now going through his stuff to get his house ready to sell. Getting rid of furniture he now doesn't need and rid of lots and lots of paper work. Now we find his house has fleas, they seem to be very active all of a sudden. He never had any pets. So I have been watering his place and in some other ways helping.
More stuff going on but this is the condensed story. He is losing his memory and dementia is setting in.
 
Posted by telflonmail (Member # 9501) on :
 
Killer Robots. Yes, there is a movement trying to ban them.
 
Posted by telflonmail (Member # 9501) on :
 
In memory, Brian Aldiss.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Happy US solar eclipse day! And safe . . .
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Feeling the first effects of Hurricane Harvey - a continuous, dismal rainfall, and no water in grocery stores. =\

Also, I got a job and gained confidence in my pot roast. =)
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Hang in there!

We lived in Victoria TX when a hurricane came inland. When you live in a relatively flat area, there's no high ground.

Best wishes.

And congrats on the job and the pot roast. [Smile]
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Thanks Kathleen!

Looks like the hurricane isn't moving as predicted and won't hit my area too much, though we still expect some flooding from the bayous. The bad news is that there's some major damage along the coastal cities.=(
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Been there done that. (Hurricane Charley.) Keep alert.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Been through a few dozen hurricanes myself. Coastal areas take the worst water surge and wind brunt; inland, the worst rain deluge and floods. Curious that coastal areas recover quicker than inland areas do. Several hurricanes I rode out at the coast and was back full stride in a few days; inland, several weeks or up to a month for flood basins to drop to normal levels.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I am worried about Victoria. Looks like it's getting the worst in all directions.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
I might have spoken too soon; 95% of Houston is terrible. Somehow, I'm in the lucky 5%. I just lost power this morning, and water still works. The silver lining to losing power is that I've been reading OSC's "How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy" again for the first time in many years. Every time I read it, it feels like I'm learning everything anew. Maybe that means I'm bad at retaining information? =)

Hurricane's moving east finally, but Victoria probably isn't doing too well... =( It might even be on the list for mandatory evacuations... I know Matagorda county had to evacuate.

Flooding in Houston will stay for at least the rest of this week, but it'll probably take longer like extrinsic is saying. The community has really come together though. I can't even volunteer because there's such a surplus of volunteers. We'll recover. =)
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Sympathies. I was *very* lucky in Hurricane Charley---the power wasn't out long enough for the food in my refrigerator to get warm. Relatives and friends lost power for days.

Watch out---Hurricane Harvey is a not-unprecedented-but-unusual hurricane. Looks like it'll go offshore and come back somewhere east of Houston. The winds will pick up again and possibly blow water where it hasn't gone before.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thanks for the update, tesknota. Hang in there!
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The malspam tapered off this summer. Haven't received an attack email since mid August. Six months of assault done because the So-and-sos lost interest!?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by extrinsic:
The malspam tapered off this summer. Haven't received an attack email since mid August. Six months of assault done because the So-and-sos lost interest!?

shouldn't that be mailspam ??????

[Smile]


Whatever the case good thing you are not being attacked so much, they may have gone off for other targets or so a squirrel so got distracted.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
We know more about what is happening in Houston now but glad to know the worse missed you, tesknota,-at least by your last post.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Mal, prefix mal- and short for malice, malicious, malevolent, malefactor, Latin origin malus: "bad," yada. "Mal de mer," French, 1778: seasickness, like malware is nauseous-noxious nuisance, at least if not fallen for. One thing learned, attention span of about six months could mean new target address lists update about twice a year or so!? (Cyberpunk feature maybe.) Now to stay off the Malweb radar for a time and miss out on the next cycle.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tesknota:
The silver lining to losing power is that I've been reading OSC's "How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy" again for the first time in many years. Every time I read it, it feels like I'm learning everything anew. Maybe that means I'm bad at retaining information? =)

Rereading for me reveals further contexture from greater appreciation of content. New and deeper appreciation comes from enhanced learning due to cognitive leaps caused by prior and related content grasp brought to rereads. It's cumulative, part of personal growth.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
I'm alive and well! Traffic's taken a turn for the worse though; two major highways have closed down (or something like that), and my 1 hr commute to work has nearly doubled.

It's not looking great for Florida now though...

I agree, extrinsic! I just don't appear to get around to rereading things as much as I'd like.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tesknota:
I'm alive and well! Traffic's taken a turn for the worse though; two major highways have closed down (or something like that), and my 1 hr commute to work has nearly doubled.

It's not looking great for Florida now though...

I agree, extrinsic! I just don't appear to get around to rereading things as much as I'd like.

Good!


And even though not extrinsic-obviously-I too could use a rereading of my various books on writing.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
I'm not sure where to post this, so I suppose this goes here, even though it IS writing-related. I didn't think this would warrant a whole discussion, but it's a thought I wanted to put somewhere...

I remember that Grumpy Old Guy thought of third person as a superior to first person as far as writing goes, so I kind of took this as an opinion shared by a good segment of the publishing industry. But just now, looking over the current issue of Clarkesworld (issue 132, Sept. 2017), I noticed that 4 out of their 7 total published works (fiction category) were in first person.

Now I'm revisiting my earlier thought that the industry slightly frowns on works in a first person POV...
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tesknota:
I'm not sure where to post this, so I suppose this goes here, even though it IS writing-related. I didn't think this would warrant a whole discussion, but it's a thought I wanted to put somewhere...

I remember that Grumpy Old Guy thought of third person as a superior to first person as far as writing goes, so I kind of took this as an opinion shared by a good segment of the publishing industry. But just now, looking over the current issue of Clarkesworld (issue 132, Sept. 2017), I noticed that 4 out of their 7 total published works (fiction category) were in first person.

Now I'm revisiting my earlier thought that the industry slightly frowns on works in a first person POV...

I think it really depends on the editor and how well the story is written.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
A lot depends on how well the story is written. An author who can overcome the disadvantages of first person and write a story that works, can certainly go ahead and use it.

First person tends to be the POV of choice for new writers, and because they don't know how to overcome the disadvantages, it is frowned upon.

I have asserted in the past (and continue to do so) that Stephanie Meyer's Twilight books would have been better if she had not written them in first person - Bella would have certainly come across as a more sympathetic character to some readers, at any rate.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've been impacted by Irma. I've been without internet access for five days, and right now am working from my mother's house and there's no air conditioning. My house has air conditioning, but lacks cable, phone, and internet. More as warranted.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
I've been impacted by Irma. I've been without internet access for five days, and right now am working from my mother's house and there's no air conditioning. My house has air conditioning, but lacks cable, phone, and internet. More as warranted.

That sounds... less than pleasant. I would be crawling up the walls. [Frown] I hope that the lack of connectivity is the worst of what you're dealing with, though. *big hugs*
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury:
A lot depends on how well the story is written. An author who can overcome the disadvantages of first person and write a story that works, can certainly go ahead and use it.

First person tends to be the POV of choice for new writers, and because they don't know how to overcome the disadvantages, it is frowned upon.

I have asserted in the past (and continue to do so) that Stephanie Meyer's Twilight books would have been better if she had not written them in first person - Bella would have certainly come across as a more sympathetic character to some readers, at any rate.

According to an agent, editor, and publisher consensus, as much anecdotal and apocryphal as stated, first person's commonest shortfall is lack of character development. Second, though a more pertinent shortfall for publication aspirants, is narrator identity establishment, as well common to aspirant third person selective omniscient and detached narrator narrative points of view. The viewpoint persona and the alter-id narrator of such are lumps on logs, mere pass-throughs, as if only emotionless and pointless machine recorders. No attitude about the subject matter of the moment or overall. Third person close, limited, though, does entail an unidentified and unestablished narrator persona, near if not altogether invisible.

Whoever expresses the strongest attitude toward a subject matter is who, by default, readers most align with. This persona linguisticians refer to as the attitude holder -- the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Isabella Swan expresses very little, if any, attitudes about anything. Natural, presumably, for an oblivious doe-eyed wallflower ugly duckling who blooms into the most popular girl (swan) in her new school-place home.

Social elitism is, after all, and its glorification and appeals for the audience, what the cycle is really about, and vampire genre overall, either in favor of, since Anne Rice's fresh interpretation, or against social elitism for the earlier Bram Stoker vampire era. Attitude! one of three core essentials for dramatic development and movement, attended by motivation (complication) and stakes (conflict). Attitude accumulates persona characterization, for both narrators and viewpoint personas, as the emphasis may warrant, and, to lesser degrees, other, lesser dramatic personas.

Attitudinal reactions to stimuli make a dramatic scene on the page, though are widely socially discouraged, conditioned against, that is, hence, a profound challenge for publication aspirant writers to develop on the page.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Disgruntled Peony:
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
I've been impacted by Irma. I've been without internet access for five days, and right now am working from my mother's house and there's no air conditioning. My house has air conditioning, but lacks cable, phone, and internet. More as warranted.

That sounds... less than pleasant. I would be crawling up the walls. [Frown] I hope that the lack of connectivity is the worst of what you're dealing with, though. *big hugs*
Been there, done that, a few dozen times. Now have a better-than-somehow-eek-out-the-time-until-utilities, etc., are restored kit. Mi-fi would not help Conchs, though; Irma took out cell towers across the lower state, too. AC? If I have ice, I have AC -- DIY shop-made AC system that cools okay on a small battery-powered fan. 900 amp hours of backup power, enough for a few or so days' electrical backup. Then recharged from, say, the car or a kindly neighbor's generator or -- next on the wish list -- solar power cell.

Best wishes for as brief an inconvenience as possible and a leisure time of the hardships.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Cable-phone-internet came up at my house shortly after; I've spent the afternoon catching up here and there. I suffered, but hardly as bad as others have, and certainly as others are.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Cable-phone-internet came up at my house shortly after; I've spent the afternoon catching up here and there. I suffered, but hardly as bad as others have, and certainly as others are.

Good you are back on line Robert


When I am offline I don't worry about as much as some. My wife has her crafts so she needs to be online but I would be writing anyway. But without electricity that would be hard-hopefully my laptop would be charged at least for a day or three. But if I had paper and pen I would probably write anyway.
Of course if I had stories out or a political comment to address I would feel differently. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
I have been meaning to say this for four weeks at least.

Been seeing Spirit Halloween stories popping up. The first one may have been five weeks ago. Only one has a person out on the street corner in costume. Last year they had some one with an electric guitar. But this year the girl is boring. Just a sign.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Glad to hear that you're okay, Robert!

LDWriter2, isn't it too early for Halloween stories? It's not even October yet. =)
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tesknota:
Glad to hear that you're okay, Robert!

LDWriter2, isn't it too early for Halloween stories? It's not even October yet. =)

Retail doesn't care. XD
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LDWriter2:
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Cable-phone-internet came up at my house shortly after; I've spent the afternoon catching up here and there. I suffered, but hardly as bad as others have, and certainly as others are.

Good you are back on line Robert


When I am offline I don't worry about as much as some. My wife has her crafts so she needs to be online but I would be writing anyway. But without electricity that would be hard-hopefully my laptop would be charged at least for a day or three. But if I had paper and pen I would probably write anyway.
Of course if I had stories out or a political comment to address I would feel differently. [Big Grin]

For laptop backup power supply, consider a four-in-one jump starter: the jump pack itself, an on-board power inverter that converts 12 v DC to 120 v AC, plus a cigarette lighter socket for 12 v DC power takeoff, and usually an air pump and work light. Five-in-one models also provide a USB device charger (0.7 to 2.1 amps, 5 volts). Jump starter 120 v AC output 4 ~ amps, or 200+ ~ watts, enough for an average laptop's power consumption and, dependent on jump pack's amp hour rating, good for a week or so of uninterrupted backup power. On-board jump pack recharger included, plugs into a live household socket. Price range high $$ to low $$$. Anymore, an essential for uninterrupted connectivity in this electricity-insistent Digital Age.

[ September 18, 2017, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Oh, my laptop battery lasted fine. Power was off just under one day. (Not during the storm, though.) But internet access doesn't work if the wires down the street have come loose.

My landline phone was down, too. It's bundled with the cable and internet. I'm thinking of unbundling it.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Hope all impacted by Harvey and Irma are well on the way to full recovery. Our best wishes and prayers go out to Maria's Puerto Rican and overall Caribbean sufferers for timely and full, safe, healthy recoveries.

[ September 28, 2017, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hey you all know that you can now give out cans of soda for Halloween???

At least one soda company has made smaller cans for that purpose evidently.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LDWriter2:
Hey you all know that you can now give out cans of soda for Halloween???

At least one soda company has made smaller cans for that purpose evidently.

This... hurts my brain.

I mean, from a marketing standpoint it makes sense.

God, I hate retail.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Wasn't sure what those were for, but I was pretty sure they weren't for that. They don't satisfy my thirst, though.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Wasn't sure what those were for, but I was pretty sure they weren't for that. They don't satisfy my thirst, though.

Read the cans. My wife agreed with me on this. But she likes the size for other reasons.

At the same time surprised it didn't happen before.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
How small are they, LD? I think I've seen small cans of soda around before... maybe about 1/2 the size of regular cans?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The "mini" can size is 150 milliliters, about 5 fluid ounces. The mini can has been around for decades, in part, often used for catered bar service mixers. New marketing, though, this year for a Halloween trick-or-treater treat.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
I'll have to check the store. I'm really curious if they're smaller than I think! Thanks, extrinsic - I'll keep the 150 ml volume in mind =)
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
"Mini" can manufacturer Crown's page with image.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The Nielson people sent $2 cash and asked "recipient" to fill out a short media content survey, promise $5 cash more for its completed return. How delightful! Even if a small token. Like finding money on the road.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Been there, done that. They'll send you another one (and more money), and another after that. I kept it up a couple of months, then was on vacation when one arrived and couldn't meet their deadline. Go for it.
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Important safety tip: Ensure your supply of antivenene has NOT passed its use-by-date before you tangle with a startled Taipan. Ta muchly RFDS.
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Ten days ago I had a run-in with Joe Blake (a snake) that landed me in hospital. This had two upsides: being fussed over and pampered by some delicious nurses *sigh* and unlimited Internet access (gawd, but there’s a lot of rubbish out there). It also had one enormous downside: having to endure my daughter’s shrill tirade. This consisted mainly of disparaging remarks about my mental capacity and included many references to how much of a nong, dill, galah, numbskull, moron, and demented geriatric I was. It was enough to set a flock of concrete budgies to flight. The result; I’m being hauled off to the big-smoke down Sydney way where I’ll be put up in a granny-flat at the bottom of the garden among all the ferns, fairies, and phantasms. Free food and board in return for looking after the rug-rats (grand kids) on an ad hoc basis. Could be worse, she could live in Adelaide.

So I guess I’ll be hanging around here more than I thought would be possible and sooner than I planned; Internet is rather spotty in the middle of the Tanami Desert.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Had my share of poisonous snake encounters, many snakes of many types, some pets, many nonpoisonous. For some reason, snakes dislike me on general principles. Otherwise tame and calm snakes become enraged around me. Water moccasins go out of their way to pester me, will climb into a boat far from land to start an argument. I also worked casually as a wild animal control contact for a time, removed snakes from folks' homes and such. No bites.

Then there's the time a boa ate my kitten. The snake escaped its owner's cage and stayed on the loose for a year. The boa owner moved away, never to be heard from again. The well-fed snake sold for $$$$. Captured water moccasins sold, too, $$$, to venom farms.

Alas, those revenue streams dried up, anymore now require certifications and entail permits and red-tape paperwork and explicit regulation. To which I say, fair enough, good for the career professionals' job security and for conservation. Other vocations interest me more, and wild animal control became too much of a distraction from those.

The most bizarre wild creature encounter in my portfolio involves a locust plague. Untold billions of locusts, landlubber grasshoppers in their gregarious phase, descended on a seaside promontory. The heavens roiled with pewter clouds and strong gusts. Restless surf tossed and turned. Panicked locusts whirled about, sought a hold on any surface. Seashore vegetation was too course and rough for their diet. They died of exhaustion and many drowned overnight. The next morning dawned sunny and mild; yellow and black locust bodies lined the high water mark. Seabirds idled next to the dead line as far as the eye could see up and down the barren coast's strand, too gorged on delicious bugs to fly or even move away from curious humans' touch. Biblical!

Oh, found a Jackson (U.S. $20) tire-poked into roadway gravel the other day!

[ October 28, 2017, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Ah, natures merciless destruction: bloody of fang and claw. We have not seen her best, or worst, yet. That too shall come.

Imagine 10 cat 5 cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico in a season. Would the USA abandon that area?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Probably not---just start building buildings that could take it. (This last hurricane, I didn't have any problems worth reporting to the insurance company, just lots of brush to carry to the curb.)
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
But Irma didn't stay very long in any one place the way Harvey did.

The category of the storm would not be the only factor to consider.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Three category five hurricane landfalls for one season strained government and business resources as it is. Where they made landfall added to the strain. Hurricanes that impact Georgia and the Carolinas can be just as powerful and numerous though lower impact on the countrywide economy.

No, no country or government in its right mind would abandon territory due to one or ten or more hurricane impacts. Balk at recovery assistance costs, yes. Now, sea-level rise, consequent return of glacial epochs that rebound from climate warming, no choice but to let Mother Nature have her due, though much teeth gnashed and clothes rents and pleas for aid and heroic, last-minute, costly, and futile efforts to stem the inevitable tides and ice marches.

Meantime, climates turn evermore extreme in every which-a-way; as well as the Apocalypse's equestrians evermore extreme famine, pestilence, war, and death do their due toll, too.

[ October 31, 2017, 01:57 AM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Climate change is about intensity, not temperature. There is speculation that the first category six or seven cyclone isn't all that far away. I'm busily looking for a mountain cave to live in.

Added later:

The moment I wrote this knew people would point out that temperature increases are what drives intensity of weather events. Just trying to keep it simple.

[ October 31, 2017, 07:32 AM: Message edited by: Jack Albany ]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I wondered, after Katrina, if New Orleans would "come back." It apparently has.

(I remember thinking it might be a good idea to turn New Orleans into a theme park of sorts - or a "living history" museum, instead of trying to rebuild completely, especially since so many of its residents had been relocated all over the US.)
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Cyclonic activity intensity indeed derives from increased temperature differentials caused by greenhouse gas concentration rise. The big sexy depicted and bantered about is carbon dioxide's impact. Yet any atmospheric "gas" component heavier than molecular nitrogen, the major atmospheric component, is a greenhouse gas, water vapor more so than carbon dioxide.

However, atmospheric humidity levels are a function of air temperature and wind velocity. Lake-effect precipitation downwind from large bodies of water illustrates, orographic effect, too: of or related to mountains, especially, precipitation from terrain elevation that causes warm humid air to rise and cool and precipitate.

Yet those above are only a few factors that drive climate change. The more insidious factors are thermal polar effects, disequilibrium of natural global climate patterns caused by thermal contamination of cold polar regions. The seminal era for runaway atmospheric carbon dioxide increase is also the seminal era of anthropomorphic polar thermal contamination: increased polar latitude human activity -- the onset of the Industrial Age and polar explorations and industries circa 1781.

They spewed and more and more spew hot greenhouse gases willy-nilly and disequilibrate the global air and seawater convection system. Polar caps and tundra permafrost melt; the globe's ability to reflect and radiate excess global heat dissipates; dormant carbon sinks release evermore carbon; polar and deep oceanic methane-water ice clathrate deposits release evermore carbon. Equatorial and temperate latitudes accumulate greater temperature and humidity extremes.

Plus, few realize that unburnt hydrocarbons decompose into carbon dioxide and water vapor, both with greater thermal forcing than the hydrocarbons themselves; for instance, methane's half life is ninety years. Half of a given methane release decomposes within ninety years, half again the next span, and so on.

Nor do many realize as well the damage is done and already past the point of no safe or easy return to a metastable global climate equilibrium. Only left to see how much can be mitigated by, what, humankind, Nature, other interventions? in the meantime, and how soon and how severe an outcome.

Ah, but here at Hatrack climate politics discussions are generally proscribed except as pertain to creative writing contexts. Ripe, plentiful fruit here above for fantastical fiction with a subversive intent, satire, sure, social-reform driven. I'd consider a narrative or narratives about the ironically Polyannanic glorious aftereffects of climate change -- again, not so much how it works or what detailed form climate change takes, more so the detailed impact on personas' lives, one or a few focused personas and a focused region's post-global climate equilibrium collapse milieu.

[ November 01, 2017, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
This morning I was disgorged from within the belly of a Great Silver Bird (white and blue, actually) and found myself on the tarmac of Mascot Airport. Following my fellow disgorgees, I ended up standing startled and confused inside a crowded terminal, eyes wide and blinking like a barn owl caught in the light. I jumped out of my skin when a hand reached out and grabbed me.

Whipping my head around I saw a smiling face. “G’day, daughter.” I said.

What followed was a disorienting and confused journey out of the airport where I was squashed into a small tin can on wheels for a less than exhilarating dodge-em-car ride out into the ‘burbs’. On arrival, I was bustled into a small house where I was rugby-tackled by three small people as I walked through the door. After much rolling about the floor with excessive amounts of tickling and laughing, my daughter blew the ump’s whistle and a bit of decorum returned.

Oh, my aching back!

After the compulsory safety briefing, I was led out into the back garden. Walking past a sign saying, “Gramp’s Cubby. Keep Out!” I was proudly shown around my new digs by a smiling little girl who had grown so big in the years I’d been away. Nothing so satisfying as the joy of family.

Right now the sun is going down on a very busy day and I’m sitting at my new desk contemplating a whole new future. To my left is my small kitchen, for sustaining the body, while, for sustaining the soul, I can see through the sliding glass doors in front of me out to my small patch of garden and its birdbath; installed for the pleasure of the other inhabitants around here.

Let the journey begin.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Jack sounds like a Government agent retirement story. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Albany, Jack Albany. Licensed dill.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Jack, diminutive of John, means first of -- of God -- or God is gracious. Albany means from Alba, which, in turn, means dawn. First of God from the dawn: Jack Albany. Gin gibson, please, poured and served on the rocks straight from the bottle, very-very dry gibson, the vermouth mentioned by name only, within earshot of the cocktail, and the pickled pearl onions' juice serve instead.

[ November 14, 2017, 10:08 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Casino Royale: the Daniel Craig movie version was compelling, but I intend to get a copy of the original book for a better taste for the genre. Just did the same with Tarzan of the Apes. Enlightening.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Yeah, the books are never that much like the movies.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Yeah, the books are never that much like the movies.

It's really hard to translate an internal sensory experience to a purely visual one--or vice versa, for that matter.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Disgruntled Peony:
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Yeah, the books are never that much like the movies.

It's really hard to translate an internal sensory experience to a purely visual one--or vice versa, for that matter.
Plus, except for voiceover gimmicks, no narrator commentary (emotional attitude [tone]) shown, nor summary and explanation tell.
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
And, let's not forget putting on the screen a period based bias that a 'proper man of good breeding' (white, upper-class male) can overcome any adversity; like teaching yourself to read English, for example. Anyone also think it strange that Tarzan's first spoken words were French--"Mais oui?". What was ERB thinking?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Rudyard Kipling observed that Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote the Tarzan franchise, a few dozen novels, to see if and show and tell how badly he could write and get away with it. If Tarzan's disdain for civilization is any measure of Burroughs' true nature and sentiment, the irony of a civilization veneer overlaid upon a feral beast is lost among the melodramatic excess -- Kierkegaard's "infinite absolute negativity."

Tarzan says Mais oui (Of course) because the first civilized person he meets in his adulthood is a Frenchman, who "discovers" the ape man, and whose language Tarzan naturally and easily picks up as if by osmosis, really, from reading his mother's and father's books, though only then needs to hear the language spoken, any language, to know its pronunciations and speak with a cultured air.
 
Posted by telflonmail (Member # 9501) on :
 
Ferry McFerryface! The joke is never too old in Sydney.

(Yes, there's racehorse called Horsey McHorseface in Sydney and won the Arthur Thompson Memorial Maiden Plate at Cessnock Racecourse.)
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Sydneysiders never were too clued in. Or original, for that matter.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Now, let's not get personal here, please!
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Personal? I was born in Sydney a very long time ago, I escaped by running away to find a horse, and forty-seven years later I was pressed-ganged into returning. Not that I'm complaining. [Smile]

Mutter, mutter, mutter.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Happy Thanksgiving, all.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Happy Thanksgiving, all.

Wondering if anyone would leave Happy Thanksgiving wishes. I do so too even though they will be late for some of you all


Happy Thanksgiving
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Happy Thanksgiving, all.

Thank you, and same to you, Robert.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I pronounce a curse on AOL and all its evil works.

Yesterday I found they alphabetized my "favorite places" folder. This morning I found it won't let me drag anything out of alphabetical order.

This last month they introduced new versions and discontinued old versions---and the new versions are inferior and awkward to use.

Time to push on, I guess.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A whole, brave new net world of opportunity and malfeasance operates outside of AOL's "walled garden" operations. Never an AOL consumer, my biggest AOL disappointment is from people who use AOL for email. Email from AOL users can be delayed from send up to a full day's time, or more, due to batch server processing. That, and AOL's CD fiasco, and acquaintances who encountered strong retention headwinds when they've terminated AOL services. Like AOL would not let them resign the services, as if its consumers were proprietary property, a la bonded servants of a tobacco plantation or feudal estate.

That latter business model has since become a widespread, insidious business practice -- one that holds social science science fiction drama potentials, that of transnational corporate "estates" which "own" their labor staff and consumer folk to the nation state-like exclusion of all other corps, regardless of country boundaries. "Walled garden" indeed, and "company shop." Although -- robber baron monopolies practiced that process earlier, post industrial revolution onset and through the present time, and earlier city-state, feudal estate, and plantation laborer-consumer possession mentality notwithstood. If it has persisted since civilization's dawn, it is a human condition ripe for science fiction and as well satiric redress.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Deep investigations today into whether any Unicode contains proofreader marks. Nope. None to speak of separate from ones extant for other purposes -- the space mark, #; the pilcrow, ¶; a caret with insertion point, ⁁ -- and those are it.

Unicode assigned 1,182 code points spread across 33 blocks for emoji, 80 code points for emoticons, all of which are emojis, too, none specific to proofreader marks -- save the three above. Really‽ (Interrobang.) Nor any others to speak of otherwise in word processor symbol typefaces.

A Unicode code point set for proofreader marks is indicated, would amount to a few dozen more marks at most. That would facilitate clear digital proofreading markup, and a handy study aid for writers and editors. What does this shortfall say about mass culture?

One workaround per moi: design a typeface that includes all proofreader mark variants, mark up with it, save, and return to clients in PDF embedded fonts format.

[ December 15, 2017, 02:43 AM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Hey Merry Christmas to all Here
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Merry Christmas, all.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Happy holidays, everyone!

Also, does anyone think the forum links have gotten brighter/bluer? Maybe it's just my screen...
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The web source code writer changed a few CSS style sheet features for the site, link hover, onclick, active, unvisited, and visited color codes, links no longer underlined on hover or onclick, and upgraded the site banner and native image most noticeable. Added an overall Hatrack River drop-down site menu under the banner, too. Someone on high doesn't, apparently, think Hatrack has outworn its usefulness.

[ December 29, 2017, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Well my new year is off to a rough start, and it hasn't even begun yet. My good friend and editor had a major stroke, he survived it, thank the heavens, but his days of editing are definitely going on hold for some time.I just checked out a couple of the online services for line and copy editing and almost had a stroke myself at their prices. If I'm going to invest that much I would like to know I'm getting my moneys worth. Anyone got a good referral to a paid editor worth the money for the fantasy genre? Or a company that's top notch? My second manuscript has reached the stage it should leave my hands and go to edit.

It's worth the money if I can find someone that really knows what they're doing, but my time as a journalist has taught me to be careful who you trust in the internet age, especially with that kind of money on the line.

thanks, and happy new year to all,

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Though editor is my vocation, I cannot in good conscience recommend one, not even myself. The real costs are steep, for one, for writer and editor.

Many who hold out that they are editors are little more than proofreaders and of variant skill levels; many are less than proficient at it, too. Copyeditors generally are of a higher editor skill level than proofreaders, though conflicted by personal sensibilities and limited in scope. Developmental editors are the go-tos since circa the 1990s when many publishers by and large ended in-house editor activities. Those editors, too, though, are conflicted and limited.

Inevitably, unpleasantnesses and heartaches and miscommunications transpire, hence, also crucial for a productive writer-editor relationship are decorum and diplomacy skills of both parties.

My ultimate professional recommendation, and editor career success contradiction, for writers is to self-develop the skills for the self's and the target audience's sensibilities, yet mindful another skilled set of eyes on the pages at several stages is crucial for publication success. This self-initiative saves costs, maybe some of the heartaches, also, and begins with a reference shelf of composition tomes ready to hand and suited to a writer's design and mien, begins, as it all began in grammar school, with grammar, dictionary, style, usage, composition craft mechanics and aesthetics, and canonical texts.

Edited to add: Oh, and best wishes of best outcomes for the editor-friend, and prayers, and for the new editor forages. Maybe what's wanted is a mentor-editor? Next natural step on from developmental editor, as yet not a formal designation, though strong traces of such throughout literature's history.

And happy New Year. This year, for the first time in my long-checkered life, I have a genuine and sincere New Year's resolution. Put my expression arts' resources to productive returns; read: revenue stream enhancements.

[ December 31, 2017, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
I get you E.

Been working on those skills constantly. It's the part of being too invested that I've have learned many times over now that writers need someone with a hard eye to give the work a critical lookover.

The problem with self-edit is you never really subjectively think about losing those favorite lines, themes, paragraphs. You're standing to close to the work. In some ways you can get similar results from using beta readers, but its hard to replace a professional eye of a good editor who will say, "don't need this, move that to here, you're saying this twice, what's the point of this?"

You're right. I do hear the editor voice in the back of my head more and more, but the jury is still out on if that's a good thing. It tends to put bumps into my first drafts though I try and turn it off.

Well, it's a new year and we're off to the races. I hope this year is a little better than the last.

Cheers everyone, may your dream come true in 2018.

W.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
Sorry about your editor friend, W. Health is really the most important thing. Best wishes for his recovery!

I don't have any experience working with an editor, but my inner editor sure could use some improvement. Maybe I don't give her enough practice. [Razz]

I imagine though that it's very difficult to become a good editor. I'm not very good at improving a piece as a whole; I can find things that are wrong line by line, but I'm not so good at seeing big picture fixes. An editor who can do that would be very valuable and sought after, I think.

Hmm... I would also like some revenue stream enhancements in 2018. Student loans are cramping the rest of my budget! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The muse and the inner editor would do battle like Gaia and Zeus for supremacy of mortal attention, every artists' blessed curse. How then do successful writers manage, even transcend the struggle? Probably many ways unique to each, from utter free association writing and attendant extra eyes on the pages to rigorous preplanning and planning and plan application at each phase of a project, between those extremes, cognitive code switching back and forth from creative to deliberative processes. None of any a binary duality, more so, plus other writing demons and angels and gnomes and mortals, a cornucopia of cacophony every which-a-way loose.

From my years as a working chef, I learned split tasking, not multitasking, not-simultaneous tasking, sequential overlapping tasks performed to a prepared plan. Studies of Digital Age tasking have shown that multitasking results in jobs done okay, with attendant stray distraction influences, too, none done as well as when one task is in sharp focus. Split tasking manages sequenced processes much more effectively and mitigates distractions.

Twelve burner eyes, three ovens, proof boxes, grills, a steamer, salamander, several deep fryers, a few kettles, cold-counter board and appliances and tasks, steam table, fridge, and freezer preps, going episodically and sequentially from start to finish in their due course, from start of shift to end, plan to prep to short order and to plate presentation finish.

The prep work was crucial and planned for the duration, sometimes and some items for the shift, for several shifts, or a longer span. Like onions prepped at one fell swoop for all the shift's preparation stock, soup, sauce, and cold items while the 20-gallon steam-jacket kettle of bouillon heats to a boil, and plan adjustment revisions while so done. Meantime, prepped the shift before, roasts roasted their way through sear and slow-roast cycles, fryers, broilers, grills, and salamanders started, and a 40-pound tuna carcass, quarter-sawn billets cut off, steak-sliced for service proportions beforehand, steams in the box steamer.

How could I use what I learned from cooking for writing? The question was before me long ago, unanswered for a while. From reading the clumsy writing of inexperienced writers, English second language writers, and difficult successful writers' published works, in time, I noted a cognitive code, different from my comfort zone code processes, emerged. No way on Earth and under Heaven could I read past my inner editor's lunges at micro minutia, until I turned that off.

Took a skewed approach, speed reading, in particular, plus, resigned to utter weariness of and disdain for the composition of the moment before me, to shut off the inner editor. Read solely for content, actual intended information imparted, powered once through regardless, engines all ahead full, meantime, took a mental inventory of present and absent and overstocked and short supply items needed to note for adjustment suggestions. Grammar, craft, expression, appeal features from a 7-mile high perspective.

Next, read through and marked or noted repeated grammar error minutia; next, medial range grammar errors, and macro errors, noted discretionaries, too; next, craft's structural and aesthetic mechanics; next, expression's aptitudes; last, matters of intended audience appeals. Then prepared a summary evaluation of the gamut, mindful to variable degrees to note strengths in proportion, mentally self-reported for extant works, typewritten for those in progress, for consumers' sakes, notes spoken aloud from for consumers in person. Over time, fewer read-throughs were needed, two or three at most.

When I've mentored writers, about ninety-four out a hundred approved of my methods. Some, I'm sure, were being most courteous, though were overwhelmed, probably two-thirds. Ones who were sincere showed their grasps and gratitudes in subsequent compositions. The six of a hundred remainder responded resentfully, split about half and half between indictments for poor decorum and diplomacy and otherwise outright viceful spites. The latter ones were often above average writers in the first place. About five out of the six viciously resented that anyone could find fault with their perfections. One of six resented no less, yet grateful anyway. It's a thankless job.

Learn to read other ways than how I had before was the pivot point for shutting off the inner editor -- well, lower the volume at least. Plus, good to have one on the shoulder, the muse atop the other while preplanning, drafting, replanning, rewriting, replanning, revising, and correcting last of all, like the cartoon characters of a demon on one shoulder and an angel on the other. Sometimes the angel acts up, acts out, throws pitiable tantrums, acts the demon, too, and vice versa.

A recent quip about writing and the instruction thereof, while I researched "common fiction writing mistakes," caught my eye, to the effect of, teaching writing, mentoring, really, is showing writers how to read more effectively, differently, too, and closer. Seconded.

In all, though, a plan, plans, really, no matter how rigid or organic, at some phase(s) along the journey, includes study plans for skills and arts enhancements, makes all the difference.

[ January 02, 2018, 11:24 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I've made my first sighting of one of the Statues of Liberty this morning. 'Tis the season.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Oh wow you beat me.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Wiener palace and wash-house pub mascot is late this year. The costume last year was threadbare and faded anyway, clean at least. Frigid weather and impassable ice roads delayed the New Year week start this year. Had to pass through uptown myself, for a mandatory medical appointment across the way, and noted wiener-bun-mustard guy barker wasn't out on his first appointed day shift.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Relatively warm conditions here in Florida. Relative to most of the rest of the country---by Florida standards it's cold. That's why this particular Statue could be out and dancing around.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
oddly enough its warm rain here in idaho when we should be in deep snow. same odd thing as last year. east gets buried. north west gets a warmer climate.

odd.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Biannual checkup results posted show mild calcium excess and mild, low mean platelet volume, MPV. What? Vitamin D deficiency causes both. A blood D test is indicated though clearer and less intrusively and less costly diagnosed through increased skin exposure to sunlight, tanning lights in an absence thereof, or both. Should have had a D test along with the metabolic and MPV panels. Last winter's checkup showed all three conditions, mild D deficiency, mild high calcium, mild low MPV. Summer's checkup, normal ranges. Different doctor this year.

Winter is on hereabouts, after all, and colder than normal and cabin bound, seasonal affective disorder (SAD, sadness a common symptom) at the extreme end, mild condition, not disorder, though; along with effects from other conditions and treatments that flush D. Insulin-dependent diabetes type II, hypertension, hyperlipidemia, and their diuretic conditions and medications' side effects. Another therapeutic home appliance to add to the many. Plus, maybe reduce wintertime decaf beverage consumption. No-caffeine diet already. Recent investigations concluded D supplements provide little, if any, therapeutic benefit. I imbibe plenty. And see more wintertime sun!?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Come to think of it I still haven't seen any cross dressing Statues of Liberty.


The weather hereabouts have been a bit warm. not counting the last two days.


extrinsic, would a sun lamp help?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LDWriter2:
extrinsic, would a sun lamp help?

Yes. Estimates for one run $$$ to $$$$. Bought a full-spectrum lightbulb for the workstation overhead lamp, in other words, a grow light for indoor plants. Mid $. Am I an indoor plant!? We'll see if effective when the next lab panels are done mid-spring. Meantime, see more wintertime sun, too. The doctor isn't overly panicked, nor I.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
That last is good

My Father-in-Law had one for his desk, not sure if he used it all that much.


But as to your question. First are you related to the Thing? or to Groot?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Some Thing, some Groot, m-mostly M-M-Max Headroom couch -- couch -- couch potato.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Finally broke down and bought the last three wotf anthologies. Curiosity got the better of me.

I've started to reduce my tech intake and go back to simple: Phone over text, typewriter over computer, book over e-reader, cook over take-out, build over buy, music over tv, walk over drive, etc.

I still need tech, but at least I don't have to worry about losing all my data or constant virus scans to my typewriter, and now the new scanners can take the words right off the hard copy and make a word file or pdf if you need it.

This probably is an adverse effect of bartending twice a week and watching customers with their noses in their phones not talking to people right beside them. It's a sad thing to watch, especially the young people who are just completely addicted.

I've seen some of the prototypes of what's coming in the near future and it only looks bleaker for actual one on one interaction.

I'd write a story about it but it has already been done to death.

I guess that's why we are here. To look passed this dystopia and try and imagine a possible path to something brighter or look to the beyond, beyond, and warn of consequences yet unseen.

Peace in the bread-dough yeast. May it rise to the occasion.

W.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I heard someone refer to the addiction you speak of as the "true zombie apocalypse," and I wonder if they might have been correct.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Most of the few places I go -- nose people buried in phones. On the road, in stores, sidewalks, grog and coffee and food shops, museums, galleries, receptionists and retail clerks wherever, the rare occasions with kin: phone-nose plants.

Done to death in prose, yes; too direct and on the nose, though. Fantastic fiction's glory next to other genre is non-one-to-one correspondence between a circumstance's superficial substance and representational substance, metaphor-like, extended and situational.

Zonbi? That's about nonconscious response to population overpressure since about the time of George A. Romero's 1968 zonbi cult classic Night of the Living Dead, the signal and seminal artifact of present-day zonbi media. Haitian French: zombi; Haitian Creole: zonbi; West Africa origin: zonbi. Romero's film was part inspired by Richard Matheson's 1954 I Am Legend; and part by The Magic Island, W. B. Seabrook, 1929, the overall Western introduction to Haitian vodun zonbi folklore.

Jack Finney's 1954 novel The Body Snatchers and subsequent film Invasion of the Body Snatchers reflect another non-one-to-one facet, that is, of tech obsession-compulsion and accompanied mixed depressive conditions.

The challenge of a tech OCD-bipolar narrative is to transcend what came before and the mediocrity fray of attempts at it. Unfortunately, near-infinite possibilities come to mind. For me, a focus would be, what is it about existential identity crises that influence material consumerism to run amok? Social Insecurity Dysfunction. Tech OCD then becomes secondary, incidental even, yet substantive representational substance motifs for satire. Socially insecure? Meaningfully socialize in person, for Heaven's sake. (Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451.)

[ January 17, 2018, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury:
I heard someone refer to the addiction you speak of as the "true zombie apocalypse," and I wonder if they might have been correct.

They are called tech zombies or phone zombies
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by extrinsic:
Some Thing, some Groot, m-mostly M-M-Max Headroom couch -- couch -- couch potato.

Hmm does that mean there is a monster or screen sitting on a couch at your house?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Means Network 23 blipverts' spontaneous-detonation victim.
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Max headroom is really old-school. Great premise though.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Oh-oh-oh-old school? The t-T-TV has taken to blipvert spurt-spurts, and other non sequitur n-n-noises from all and sum-sun-sundry, out of all old-school proportions, enough I feel primed to detonate. Fortunately, a cooler sapient aptitude expects this too might pass before too much harm done. Or the harm is a natural Nature correction response to excess. Both, maybe.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
There has been a noticeable stutter on Fox News lately, when they hand over from one "live" primetime show to another...
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Rupert Murdoch, age 87, owner of Fox agglomerates, 35th richest person, fell aboard his son's yacht in the Caribbean, hurt his back. Older adults' falls often presage rapid health declines. And Fox News further stutters.
 
Posted by tesknota (Member # 10041) on :
 
To fight my tech addiction, I joined a book club. I just read Hitchhiker's Guide again, and the projected book to read for next month is Artemis. It helps to have a reason to pull away from technology!
 
Posted by telflonmail (Member # 9501) on :
 
Currently reading Artemis by Andy Weir. Next will be a re-reading of The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K Le Guin. Ursula passed away on January 22, 2018 at age of 88.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
So I am greatly surprised. No statues at all. A couple of crows however.

I don't if they went out of business, or if they got too many complaints, or if they just decided that the Statues were not helping, ??.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Might be time to reread Earthsea I saw they made a TV show or miniseries out of it?

And I know of Left Hand but can not recall if I read it. That would have been 20 to 30 years ago though.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The book was better. This is pretty much true of every SF or fantasy book / novel / series that's been made into a movie in the past fifty or sixty years. At least the ones I've read and then seen the movie of, or seen the movie of and then read.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
An illustrative exercise: read the print narrative of a motion picture, watch the motion picture, read along with the motion picture, comparatively contrast what's different. Interior discourse is the main difference, not usually carried over to the motion picture, aside from technological distinctions due to once upon a time shortfalls of motion picture capture now overcome by computer graphic imaging advancements -- when competent.

Ernest Hemingway's novella The Old Man and the Sea, print 1952; John Sturges director, motion picture 1958, is the ideal narrative for this exercise. According to Turner Classic Movies, "most literal, word-for-word rendition of a written story ever filmed." Still true today.

Not the most riveting narrative in either case, allows for stronger focus on comparative contrasts; short enough on both accounts to not be great burdens; major award winners in both cases; interior discourse nearly identical in both cases, except minus speech and thought attribution tags for the motion picture; some lost-in-translation effects due to overly faithful translation prompted by film technology shortfalls of the time and on its face the motion picture's different media, different narrative based on the original.

Most noteworthy distinction, the motion picture runs eighty-six minutes; the novella's twenty-seven thousand words read, at average English reader reading pace of one hundred forty words per minute, one hundred ninety minutes: obviously, the paces differ considerably and influence how each is received. Faster readers might achieve a parity of times elapsed. My case, one-to-one. I've done this with these narratives, read the novella now two dozen times, viewed the motion picture a dozen times.

"The Tin Star" by John W. Cunningham (first page UNZ.org embedded PDF) is the basis for Fred Zinnemann's motion picture High Noon, another noteworthy motion picture due to its real time elapsed depiction; eighty-five minutes length, in-scene time elapsed parallel. The motion picture translation deviates from the short story, though.

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Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
This conversation brings up an interesting point I've been studying about dialog. That a common advice is to speak your words aloud to get a feeling of believability but most writers who do so don't realize they are shifting their style of writing toward a script rather than a novel. They unknowingly believe that the reader might understand an inflection or emotion added to the scene as they read aloud instead of focusing on their written word. Movies give you a lot of visual clues to what is written in the book.

A writer must stay with their words so as to inspire the movie to play within the reader's imagination.

I believe this simple concept is why the younger generation is having a lot of trouble absorbing written word because they are spoon fed visual medium now.

Rant starting: I really wish Rowling would have stayed with her novel writing. Think of how much better might have been fantastic beasts if she would have written it as a novel first or cursed child and how many kids would have swarmed the shelves to read a whole book. The movie and the play are but a shadow of what she could have done. Who puts out a script as a book? Or divides a children's play into two parts with tickets costing hundreds of dollars? It's hard to knock her for what she did with the Harry series but her latest stuff has been a disappointment. Rant ended.

The essay's I have been reading on perfecting dialog has been very enlightening. Especially on punctuation and dialog tags.

This ties into another thread with E's journeys to the stars. It has taken seven years for me to reach the point I could even begin to understand what these professionals are talking about in relation to the dialog. Now, I move farther and twenty times faster in my understanding than I did when I first set down to a keyboard.

And still, I have a lot to learn.

Cheers,

W.
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
As an oral storyteller I have found it almost impossible to translate that style into written prose. But I am a hit with the local drama group.

My current struggle is to find a process that will allow me to tick all the necessary boxes for dramatic writing.

Jack.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Orson Scott Card's Alvin Maker cycle is a written-word equivalent of oral tale spinning, the raconteur type.

Another illustrative exercise is to compare a script to its performances, stage and screen where available. Arthur Miller's "Death of a Salesman" is a signal narrative for each of the three forms.

Back in the day, early novels were "novelizations" of stage plays, so that a revenue stream could be enhanced, to promote plays, and distribute a work as far as it would travel.

Problem was copyright pirates, then known as "literary agents," agents of shipping companies and who carried purloined works to domestic competition, sometimes next door to an "authorized" publisher, and far-flung pirates abroad, made off with properties as soon as they materialized, were performed, published, serialized, novelized, and tanked creator revenue after creators made a mere pittance. The one positive was those pirated versions were nonetheless attributed to their creators, who then could live well and comfortable as long as adorers continued to fete them.

The rise of the mass-production industrial press diluted the latter practice, as writers then were protected somewhat by copyright laws with ever stronger teeth and claws, and did not need to expend as much time on promotional tours to the provinces and urban and rural fetes put on to attract their celebrity attendance. Problem there, again, by and large, stronger copyright laws advanced due to industrialists lobbied for their own benefits and continued to shortchange writers. Circa late twentieth century, creator parity at last caught up, due to writer associations advocated for writers' rights.

U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act and global conventions prompted by the 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization finalized creator, producer, distributor, seller, consumer parity. A few more changes and all will be ideal, like several adjustments of standard rights' contract clauses related to remainders, audits, contract expiration, and retainages.

Meantime, the written creative arts advanced to present day's far more strong, vivid, lively sensory experience reality imitation Realism emphases. More distance to go that direction, too.

Locating writers' works that manage Realism's ever escalated mischiefs in this pluralistic, anything goes age, includes every which-a-way crossovers of any form, category, mannerism, yada, is a serious challenge; that is, distinction from works that revert to early pre-Realism narrator-writer tells at the drop of a creator's imagination lapses.

Besides, many readers and writers are more versed in the Romanticism mannerisms of narrator-writer tell and are easily lost among the lively vividness of emergent twenty-first century post, post-Realism mannerisms.

Today's writers, though, would be well-served to appreciate the as yet underdefined conventions of the post, post-Realism, twenty-first century form, for at least lively reader appeal potentials, if not also as well the ready translation to motion picture forms, and especially to catch up the social-cultural pace of immediate, effortless entertainment content, that written word exceeds over motion picture competition -- private, personal, individual interior discourse anchored in an external Realism reality imitation motion portrait: third-person omniscient narrator's reflected access limited to one agonist's received perceptions, responses, and attitudes. But then again, anything somewhat dramatic goes for now.

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Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
A couple of suggestions here:

Writers, instead of reading their dialogue out loud to their "readers" should have someone else do the reading. Writers who do this will learn more about how their words work for their readers, but they also risk having a rather painful experience because whoever does their reading for them will not know how the writers intended for the work to be read.

For those who are more comfortable telling a story out loud than they are putting their words down on paper (or screen) a recording of their oral version of the story can be transcribed and then edited as written work. Some of the flavor of the oral version may be retained, though, of course, much of it will also be lost (inflection, pronunciation, emphasis, etc). It's something worth experimenting on, at least.
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
The real issue with oral storytelling is the immediate feedback from the audience. It's interactive storytelling rather than 'show or tell' storytelling. To recreate this in prose requires a deep appreciation of what the reader really wants.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
In-person yarn spinning, my strongest experiences with that form reduced to writing are from folklore custom, tradition, and artifact collection and study. Folkloristics is the social science discipline's label, is part of ethnology. Anyway, online access to those narrative forms is not as free and easy as Card's narratives. Also, I worked many years as a live performance artist in historical period person, event, place, time, and situation and developed my own content through intensive research, and before live audience trial and error, vaudeville revue-like.

Here's a summary of one folklore collection, not the content, much of which is restricted due to in-progress process, copyright, and privacy concerns. "Karen Baldwin Folklore Archive," 1974-2015, Joyner Library, Special Collections, manuscript collection #1160.

I've read some several thousand of the collection's items for accession purposes; mine one is held in it. Oh my. What all I am oath bound to say utter nada about. Plus, from study of the folk oral raconteur form in all its warts and glories I am free to share if interested. Terms such as performance space, scenario, audience, participants, ostension, gossip, rumor, legend, myth, share, say, think, believe, know, make, do, authentication, identity, tradition, custom, ritual, for examples.

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Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Let's not forget that oral storytelling is also immersive; simply because there is a shared mythos between yarn-spinner and audience. That IS translatable into prose with proper introduction, but knowing what the reader really wants to know, or needs to know, and when, is problematic.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
No doubt what a target audience wants, needs, and when, where, what, why, how, who are monumental challenges. I'm not a writer for "the reader." Oh how that term grates my teeth. Who is this the reader anyway? Like the proverbial they who no one ever meets and from which all suffer a barrage of interminable ruin? I am a writer for a target niche I have yet to reach on shared essentialists' existential plane. Hello, are you out there?
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Ubiquitous or not, THE READER is your target audience. Writer aesthetics aside, if you want your message read it is essential to appreciate the things your reader's feel they need. They may prefer form to function, or not. But if you misread their wants they may not read on.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A reader of one who represents a sufficient number of readers' tastes, sentiments, sensibilities to warrant publication is my target audience. I'm still shy of a full definition for that one reader, closer than before, though. An area shy of the mark before me and elusive is appreciations of a fellow pluralist.

Easy to argue for or against any particular issue; hard to refute and support both yet blaze a true path forward while all the others do is hypocritically talk about how wicked the other side is.

Lightbulb joke in that latter. How many people does it take to change a lightbulb? One, the custodian at town hall changes the burnt-out lightbulb in a cellar closet. He's suspended for failure to requisition the replacement in triplicate, not notarized by an authorized official and not drawn from government inventory, investigated and fired after due process, because someone on the council has a shiftless relative in mind for the job.

Everyone talks about how noble the old lightbulb was and how wicked the new one is. Legislators empanel hearings, lawyers size up sides, for and against the new lightbulb, for and against the custodian's termination, for and against the custodian's severance pay and/or pension, for and against the custodian's trial and conviction for malfeasance of office and abuse of power, for and against the janitor department, the council, the mayor, the chief of police, the dog catcher, the government, lightbulb makers, unions, insurance companies, and reporters.

Reporters report how salacious the custodian's private life is, the councilpersons' salacious private lives, who backed his termination or forgiveness, about lightbulb life cycles and state-of-the-art light technology, life-long corruptions of all and sundry, and invent corruptions if none are available.

The old lightbulb is displayed in state and then interred with full honors. The new lightbulb is removed, ordered replaced at 600 times the usual shelf cost, after crony and patronage and nepotism "low bid" requests for proposals run awry. A mayoral candidate touts that the lightbulb-less closet saves taxpayers eight cents a day electricity costs. The closet remains lightbulb-less, forgotten for a century while the wranglers grapple the mangle.

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Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
I also seek a single reader; yet representative of many similar to me.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
I'm sorry E. but there is one fact you have failed to acknowledge in your colorful light bulb story: you thought the old light bulb died of natural causes, but in truth, it was--MURDER! There's a witness, Some backroom closet floozy had come around to turn him on when she heard the sound of a loud POP just before the old bulbster's light went out. She said she'd seen him crossing wires with a few grungy burnouts who'd been sparking a lot of trouble lately. You know, dimmer bulbs, all high on fluorescent. Rumor is they had been juicing him, threatening to blow his filament out if he didn't step down. Now he's dead, and everybulb's acting like it's just another case of voltage as usual. But something smells funny about this outlet and I'm not going to stop until I close this circuit.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Though variant from the lightbulb joke tradition, the lightbulb is itself an active influence persona of the drama, now that you mention it. "Everybulb," exquisite metaphor! Altogether, Maria Edgeworth and Jonathan Swift Irish-anglo Bull satire territory.

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Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Thanks, E. It took away a little boredom.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by walexander:
Thanks, E. It took away a little boredom.

Go for broke? A lightbulb joke interpreted as a full-blown dramatic narrative, lightbulb and similar motifs, say, camera personifications, has yet to be done in print or motion picture. A lightbulb true-crime and political intrigue noir satire strikes me as ripe for publication success.
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Originally posted by Jack Albany:
I also seek a single reader; yet representative of many similar to me.

Not to be contrary for contrariness's sake, several audience target considerations; "preach to the choir," so to speak, sermonize to the congregation, express persuasive appeals for personal social reform and maturation purposes to the as-yet unrepentant. Though I target one reader, the latter is my true target motivation, meantime, capture the former audiences, too, and each by and through the others.

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Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Here we are on the snow drifts of Idaho. I'm out in the blizzard to interview the survivors of SV day. "Excuse me, sir, are you a veteran of SV (Saint Valentine's) day?

"Yes, cards, candies, movies, flowers, dinner, over and over my company tried to take that hill but failed. The enemy outmaneuvered us. Shifting this way and that. Soon I realized it was hopeless. Whatever we did, it was countered with ruthless precision. Then I saw a break in the bombardment, a lull in the endless strikes against our soft targets. I said to myself and the men, "This is our moment. Our chance to rise above those who falter and fade away. Our moment to prove whether we are men or mice. Who's with me?"

And they responded, "Squeak."
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Saw my first statue of liberty yesterday. Realized that I no longer drive by some Liberty tax services so they could have had some out on the corner and I would n't have seen them. But I am sure that last year there were more statures hanging out on street corners.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Saint Valentine's day usurps an earlier traditional northern hemisphere winter celebration day, long before any arbitrary ancient Greek or Roman or Christian celebrations; that is, a waymark celebration of a midpoint between the winter solstice and vernal equinox.

Celebrants shook off the doldrums of being cabin bound for half winter's deep freeze season, met up for maiden and young buck ritual display dress rehearsals, and general revelry overall, really, to share potluck root pit, grain sack, and smoke rack overstocks in exchange for shortfalls met, for dietary nutrition health benefits. The feast made the next winter stretch into spring more cope-able. And reminded all and sundry the spring season fast approaches.

Chocolate and blossom and such are mere commercial exhortations calculated to support consumer materialism industry. Back to basics and forward to exhalation celebrants realize the sincere thought, speech, action, gift counts most to signal genuine affection: familias, philia, storge, agape, amor; or eros, if one must. Imagination lackers go the convenient spender habit route. Immediate, effortless gratification is as hollow as a loveless romance or affection and respect-less kinship or friendship-less friendship.

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Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Those who have said, "Can't teach an old dog new tricks," have never wanted to be a published writer.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I've seen a quote attributed to Einstein that goes something like "When you stop learning, you start dying."

So I say that you can't teach a dead dog new tricks, but before then it's wide open.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Sounds like a great title to a new story or script, KDW.

-- Can't teach a dead dog new tricks. --

You better get writing. [Wink]
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Great, all this in-depth study on editing is screwing up my enjoyment of reading. Now I'm starting to see errors I would change in already published books.

If I keep this up, soon I will be red marking them, and putting notes on the side.

W.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, every time I hit, say, a typo, or a bit of information I know to be wrong, it's like everything stops dead for me.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
One of the costs of learning about writing (and editing), sad to say.

I've gotten to the point that the best thing I can say about a book is that I'm anxious to get back to it. (No more "couldn't put it down!") And I fear that I don't say that about many books any more.

And if I don't feel that way, I may not bother to finish the book at all.
 
Posted by Tiergan (Member # 7852) on :
 
I couldn't agree more. When you are stuck in editing mode it's near impossible to even read a book.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
With practice and a full grasp of craft, grammar, and rhetoric's figurative language, the occasion of a glitch becomes a contributory part of the reading experience. I have yet to read a "perfect" writing. The art is itself far from perfect, except that, like life, perfectly messed up, like precious gems' occlusive flaws distinguish identity and enhance value.

Glitches, to me, anymore speak volumes about a writer, an editor, publisher, and the culture, and deepen my appreciation for a narrative's difficult composition challenges and shortfalls and the importance of writing skills. I read with several hats on my head and several-lens glasses before my eyes.

Anymore, when I read other than for work, a sticky notepad at hand, I mark errors. Delays reading, yes, little, if any, fatal disruption for the works I choose to read for entertainment and craft analysis, And, yet a further facet through which to engage. Afterward, a thought process a publisher might compensate for a diplomatically couched correction sheet and adjust subsequent editions, if any, if they will, delights me. A rare few compensated me.

Rarer yet, a few houses extended vague employment teaser innuendoes. No joy there. Willingness to work in an office, say, New York City, where nine out of ten prose U.S. houses conduct business, daunts me no end, is a deal breaker. No takers yet on telecommuter arrangements. Houses that do arrange telecommuter editor work, those require start as entry-level submission screener unpaid interns -- gophers. If I were much younger, less strapped for revenue, and not a dissociative-affect agoraphobe . . .
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
I haven't started writing yet, let alone starting editing, but after six years of studying story construction I've given up trying to read someone else's work. I keep editing and critiquing them.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I should also say that this doesn't prevent me from leaving all sorts of errors in my own work, that I don't see till it's well past any point of correction.

(In my Internet Fan Fiction work, I had someone taken out under arrest by blue-wearing city cops, then, some time later, had someone taken out in the exact same location by green-wearing sheriffs. I should have noticed---don't know whether anybody else did, but I should have. Bothers me every time I think about it.)
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
I just got done reading - self-editing for fiction writers.

I learned a lot, but at the same time found it strange that they point out Dan Brown for bad dialog tags, though his books have made him rich beyond belief. Same as I pointed out about JK Rowling.

I guess my question is: What if they had changed those tags? What if they read an editing book and decided I better change this. Could that have completely changed their fate? Would the books have been better? I don't know.

Reader POV, narrative distance, and reader's level of English comprehension have been plaguing me also. There are so many examples of different levels of each of these to combine into a strong flow. It does start to give you pause and make you think about your target audience, and how broad of an appeal you want.

But the number one element I see that breeds success is - Unique times twenty. Followed by - consistency.

The one thing that both Rowling and Brown share is multiple unique ideas that have been executed in a way that an average reader can follow along and enjoy. Think of what the Potter books would have been like without the unique spell language that rolls off the tongue.(Based mostly on Latin, some Arabic) Rowling then strings one unique idea after another, there imaginative, but simple, like Quidditch. Brown tackles multiple puzzles challenging preconceived notions from all sides. Isaac Asimov used this trick to, so did Well's, and Verne. (Yes, and OSC.)

And herein lies the complication: Can you come up with intersecting multiple, uniquely great, ideas that have a cohesive bond? Only time will tell.

Just ranting,

W.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Cont. from above.

But does writing a billion dollar series/movie jackpot make you a great writer? Die poor/live rich, somehow equals the same?

Am I missing something?

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Great writers' works contain facets that are by and large reader inaccessible, often writer inaccessible, too, until after considerable thought effort. The Potter saga contains such facets, as does the Brown cycle, and G.R.R. Martin, ad infinitum. Rhetoricians label the facets' factors method, message, and moral; and those often arise from a writer's subconscious, rarely, if ever, anywhere near the surface of an experienced writer's conscious thoughts, else a narrative does preach overmuch.
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Not always, extrinsic. The trick is to realise that the moral underpinnings of a story, essentially what the story is really about, are separate from the story's narrative arc. Something I've only just come to understand in an early,nebulous form.

walexander, the reason the writers you mentioned made it big is they wrote stories which moved the human heart, sometimes erroneously labelled as addressing the human condition. It's that simple, no tricks or special gifts other than knowing what moves the human heart right now.

Consider this: the youth of today happily acknowledge that most of their private lives are on the Internet; in a future world where there are NO secrets and no privacy, what would you do if you did have a REAL secret, one that would change the world? Story ideas tumble out willy-nilly.

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Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Several narrative types are worth a grist for the mill look-see for what they're really about, moral-wise, and how the types differ, and differ from the classic Aristotlean senses of tragedy and comedy, and as well these below are the same and more common across modernist literature's canon than might be supposed.

Bildungsroman -- education novel
Entwicklungsroman -- development novel
Erziehungsroman -- formal education novel
Künstlerroman -- artist novel, artist development and self-growth

Definitions and explanations of those at Wikipedia, for a start, an article or two; "Bildungsroman."

The Potter saga is at least three of those four types.

Note each type's definition anticipates self-growth and its companion moral maturation, without much due consideration of the personal costs and losses attendant upon moral maturation: a contest's struggles costs, physical and emotional, loss of youthful bliss innocence, and loss of societal tolerance for minor indiscretions.

In an alternative, a poetic injustice scenario: good punished; wickedness rewarded; Naturalism's pessimistic nihilism; might be labeled Poetische ungerechtigkeitroman, poetic injustice novel, for German auditors. Or Reifungsroman, maturation novel, for another distinct type independent of age and setting contexts.

Within the types above, their attendant moral contests and outcomes, a subtext contest arc that attends a surface dramatic contest arc, are distinctions that set great and popular works apart from the mediocrity fray.

"Roman" and "novel" mean the Latin sense of a dramatic narrative of whatever length, irrespective of fiction or creative nonfiction, (novellus: new).

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Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
It still stands to reason that multiple unique twists have to be present. The potter series does zero to touch on our current world crisis. It mainly touches on bullying, abuse, friendship, family loss, and the hero's journey.

Because; let's take a different example, Martin's song of ice and fire, I didn't like the books or Kirkman's comics of The Walking Dead, or Fifty Shades, Twilight, and Hunger Games. Each of these uses a core idea with a twist. War of the roses, the night of the living dead, the Marquis de Sade, Dracula, Spartacus.

They just bring something that was past and put it in a modern setting. The unique is in the change of venue.

But think about unique multiples. Let's use Star Wars, you can say it's the hero's journey but you get, the force, Jedi Knights, lightsabers, R2D2 & C3P0, the death star, the Millennium Falcon, Wookies. Sure you can say there's a hero, a rogue, a princess, a wise man, and an evil lord, even a comedy team, but it how it's all packaged that's unique. What would it be without, The force, Jedi, lightsaber, death star, the sith, Yoda, the dark side. Not just pulling on one archetype, but several, with a twist.

If you look at the spells in harry potter - each new spell has a unique incantation and effect within the story. Each wand is unique. The classes are unique. The houses, Gryffindor, Quidditch, etc, you get the point. And yet it follows the typical hero's journey.

You'd think there would be a key in this, right?

But then I sit back and ask myself about some of the books I love the language for, The Patrick O'Brien novels, Dickens, Melville, Fitzgerald, and ponder where do I draw that line, how scholarly do I wish to write, because great literature is not always for the masses.

Which always leads me back to - What do I want to write? Do I even have a moral or care about the human condition? What's driving me to want to write, over all the other things I could be doing. Why is it so important to me?

Puzzles the will, it does.

W.

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Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Why write? Why climb Mt. Everest? "Because it's there"? Reasons are as individually different as the differences between the Homeric Cycle and John Scalzi's The Collapsing Empire, 2017, apparently sufficient to warrant television production, too: motion picture rights optioned. And yet similar drama. The similarities and the differences and intangibles are part of the writer equation. In the end, though, because, like life, self-expression is a conversational force, a need to share a message.

This, from the above "Bildungsroman" Wikipedia article, plot convention: "The goal is maturity, and the protagonist achieves it gradually and with difficulty. The genre often features a main conflict between the main character and society. Typically, the values of society are gradually accepted by the protagonist and he/she is ultimately accepted into society—the protagonist's mistakes and disappointments are over." Yeah, right, never over.

And from "Künstlerroman," "[Tends] to depict the conflicts of a sensitive youth against the values of a middle and upper class society of his or her time." As well whatever station and age, etc., an artist viewpoint agonist encounters a larger-than-life life-defining art and social crisis.

"Sensitive" to mean a socially aware individual, not per se a fragile persona. Why is the individual sensitive? Due to alienation, and the isolation of it cause for a sensitive kind of madness; that is, efforts to socially reintegrate through observant, lively, vivid, fresh self-expression. No individual can long remain intact on a desert island utterly apart. The individual's voice would be heard or else abreactive antisocial madness transpires. Self-expression affords social reconnection opportunities predicated upon social identity security enhancements. After all, humans are a social species.

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Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
walexander, you seem to have two questions: Where do some writers get their unique and original ideas from, and why do you want to write. The second question is an existential conundrum: how long is a piece of string? Same answer, different question. As for where a writer gets all their original ideas, such as Jedi Knights, light-sabres, magical incantations etc.. They all come from simple world-building. It isn't hard, anyone can do it if they are able to disconnect their preconceptions and put in the required hard work. World-building isn't something you can make up as you go along; it requires careful forethought and examination of consequence.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Selection choices reduce doubt, do not eliminate all doubt. For instance, choose a genre and subgenre, a length, an audience target, a form, a narrative type, like picaresque, noir, cyberpunk; voice, message and moral, event setting milieu, dramatic personas, narrative point of view, etc. Reduces doubt. The opposite is true for a narrative -- its setup, follow through, and outcome -- maintain doubt of outcome until the bittersweet end.

The latter is the true function for "plot twists," inevitable surprise dramatic turns that keep doubt and certainty in contention, pivots that turn more than a few degrees off course from full speed straight ahead -- zigzag. Two essentials for dramatic turns are, profound, abrupt revelation and reversal, anagnorisis and peripeteia, respectively, facets of a complex plot. A straightforward dramatic movement is a simple plot, minor, if any, turns.

Nine possible points within a full movement dramatic narrative for such turns: start crisis, incitement crisis, action rise crisis, crisis realization crisis, climax crisis, tragic crisis, action fall crisis, denouement crisis, outcome crisis to a new normal emotional equilibrium state. Anecdote, vignette, and sketch are forms that entail a dramatic snapshot instead of dramatic movement. Hatrack's thirteen lines principle favors start crisis turn development that upsets emotion equilibrium from the outset.

What's dramatic? Antagonal, causal, tensional, emotional crisis influences of personas' lives. How intense? A near infinite range of possible intensity; and varied degrees oscillate throughout a narrative's movement.

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Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Jack, you shouldn't use "isn't hard" and "the required hard work" in the same sentence. It is kind of counteractive but I got your point.

I'm just talking out loud, stirring the pot, so-to-say. That's why I put this under random musings instead of writing.

I'm just pondering single book/dramatic/historical/fiction/literature. VS versus hero journey epic series. The pluses and minus. Both are huge endeavors that consume mass amounts of life. I'm just making sure it's worth it to me to spend that time writing about life rather than living it.

It's like what E. said, It's your Everest. Very few make it to the very top, the question becomes and each writer has to ask themselves: was it worth it just to try? All the time lost that could just be spent enjoying the sun, the snow, the ocean, your kids, etc. Will it be worth it when all is said and done? The endless hours of study, writing and rewriting, the doubts and the doubters, does this outweigh the time spent.

Therein lies the question I have yet to fully answer.

That's why I call it a rant,

I know what I'm going to do: Keep writing of course. It just gets tough when others around me have so much free time to enjoy life while I have to pass in order to get some writing done.

If it were easy . . .

W.

I'm sitting and enjoying just listening to the soundtrack of La La Land right now. Taking a breather.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A literature instructor-mentor once quipped in class that she probably didn't write creatively because she lived a comfortable life. The quip responded to a classmate question, Why are all these reading assignments so bleak? Such is life.

A reason why many writers write, and succeed, is for a survival instinct strategy: declare an opinion position, figuratively, attract a like-minded support cult, bask in a companionable milieu, ignore detractors, survive the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" (Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act III, Scene I).

Write about the personally suffered slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and how those were survived.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
So E. Shouldn't we edit Shakespeare-

Should it not be-

Rocks and Arrows of outrageous fortune

or

Slings and Bows of outrageous fortune

Sorry, just being humorous,

W.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
The bleakness is one problem I have with a lot of lit instructors.

I really balk at the idea that art has to be bleak. I'm okay with suffering in a story, but I want to see the ray of hope, the refusal to be beaten down, the stick-to-it-ivity.

Nihilism is not the only way to make art.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I attended a writers workshop for writers who wanted to write for young readers several years ago, and it seemed that every single instructor emphasized the bleak and the depressing.

For young readers!!! (!?!?!?!)

I finally couldn't take it any more, and when my class was given an assignment to write the next sentence for an opening that had a child coming home and finding Mom sitting on the couch and weeping. When asked what was wrong, the mother replied through her sobs, "It's your father!"

My next sentence was "He's inventing again!"
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Maybe slights for slings? And arrows then means insults aimed deep and true?

Rhetorical figures of substitution, per Silva Rhetoricae, Gideon Burton, rhetoric.byu.edu:

Acoloutha: "The substitution of reciprocal words; that is, replacing one word with another whose meaning is close enough to the former that the former could, in its turn, be a substitute for the latter."

Anacoloutha: "Substituting one word with another whose meaning is very close to the original, but in a non-reciprocal fashion; that is, one could not use the first, original word as a substitute for the second."

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Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Having had a literature and composition and pedagogy instructor-mentor range, I noted some did accentuate the bleak. Others accentuated the positive. A third space found emphasis points between those extremes and others outside the box. Left me to choose for myself. "And that has made all the difference." (Robert Frost, "The Road Not Taken.")

I'm not a fan of bleak for bleak's sake anymore than positive for positive's sake, nor schadenfreude, though obtain delight from observed situational ironies and serendipitous fouled-ups backward, especially when those are combined.

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Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
March 2018 came in an enraged lion, not weather-wise hereabouts, personal. Six major setbacks this month so far: three computer issues on two computers, a few car problems, and a new R&D project development setback. When it rains it pours.

A car hassle is yet outstood. The ever-lover horn sounds when the car corners. Pedestrians and other drivers glare dirty looks -- risks a road rager's scorn and rage in my face. Failed steering column clockspring, the maker no longer offers a replacement, not available from an aftermarket parts store. Lo and behold, a few auto salvage yards around yay might have it used and abandoned. Self-removal part, $ to $$. Low $$$ labor to shop install. Risky work due to the airbag system is also part served by the clockspring. Yikes.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Defusing a bomb, right, extrinsic?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Yeah, a bomb. Seems simple enough in practice, de-energize the system to safe it, do the repair and replace work, re-energize and test before use. Got a how-to manual for it. Nope -- let a shop take the risks and warranty the work.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Stephen Hawking passed away, may he enjoy the great beyond. He finally knows all the secrets he was searching for. I hope it is an enjoyable moment of insight.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
So long, gone to grace, and thanks for black hole radiation, fellow traveler.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A few paper wedges, folded and placed just so, resolved the horn issue -- priceless. The other hassles also resolved. The R&D project leapt ahead, nearly fulfilled anticipations. One more development prototype phase before implementation.

And the writing project(s) moves ahead, too, as well.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
What? You didn't use chewing gum and bailing wire? I thought they were the go-to solutions for things like that.

Modern fixes like paper wedges now? Will wonders never cease!
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I loathe duct tape -- chewing gum fixes, too. Have used bailing wire, wire clothes hangers, roadside leavings, and leftover wood, metal, plastic, and fiber scraps of all kinds.

The R&D project, for example, an abandoned plumber's rubber gasket material repurposed for a wood sandcarver stencil mask, cut by a die cutter appliance, adhered to artware with spray adhesive. Production mask material to come from an industrial supplier. A blast cabinet is next on the punch list -- for safe toxic material handling, silicon dust, silicosis hazard, mesothelioma; filter mask, goggles, hearing protector headset, overalls suit, and face shield to wear regardless.
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Desperation, or poverty, or both, is the mother of invention.

Addendum: Cambridge Analytica. Philip K. Dick would feel soooo vindicated.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Had to take in a friend who lost his place to live after his brother passed away. So much for my fortress of solitude. Trying to make adjustments to noise again.
 
Posted by Jack Albany (Member # 10698) on :
 
Yesterday, in South Africa, all Australians were betrayed by our national cricket team. All those involved in, or who had knowledge of, this heinous act of bad sportsmanship should be sacked and banned from the game for life.

Our sporting reputation for fair play has been irretrievably tarnished.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Up to a close dissection -- or vivisection -- of the Last Antecedent Clause doctrine, overtly in terms of legal contexts, laws, legislation, litigation, and country, state, municipal, corporate constitutions, and contract documents, covertly in terms of expression overall, in particular, conversation and stream of consciousness and how readers infer intimations, how syntax and punctuation inform reading and comprehension ease.

The doctrine asserts that a subsequent clause only applies to the prior antecedent clause if the two clauses and other previous clauses are separated by commas or other nonstop punctuation. Linguist scholars disagree for many contexts, yet allow the doctrine is valid for some contexts.

A notable example arises from the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Recast to test whether or not the final and main clauses apply to the entire sentence, stray comma removals: //A well[-]regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.// Rearranged: //The right of the people to keep and bear arms being necessary to the security of a free state, a well[-]regulated militia shall not be infringed.//

All valid, correct grammar, too, emphasis shifts, though, and equivalent validity across the board. The Last Antecedent Clause doctrine, therefore, does not apply, though is taken as the supreme basis for inviolate Second Amendment rights. "A well[-]regulated militia" also being an operative phrase. Misses an essential hyphen, too: //well-regulated.//

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
It means the people are expected to have their own guns, and to bring them when the militia was called up.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Bordering on politics here.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
The US constitution needs a rewrite and update for the 21st century.

The selective service does not allow you to bring your own weapons, but they will be happy to supply you with a uniform and gun when you are drafted or volunteer.

The notion of personal weaponry needed in the modern age is based on the break down of civilization or personal self-defense against hostile citizens - gangs, serial killer, rapist, disgruntled employee, domestic violence, but odds are you won't have your weapon at the time they do because they pick soft targets to victimize. Evil doesn't choose a fair fight.

I'm neither for nor against the right to bear arms or the second amendment. Just stating the facts on the matter. No politics implied.

@E. Were they using the hyphen in the 18th century?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
well-being is a model hyphenated-words example, hyphenated circa 1582.

Matters of syntax canons; that is, subject and nominative referent; i.e., pronoun-subject antecedent aptitude or error.

"Last-Antecedent Canon. A pronoun, relative pronoun, or demonstrative adjective generally refers to the nearest reasonable antecedent.

"Series-Qualifier Canon. When there is a straightforward, parallel construction that involves all nouns or verbs in a series, a prepositive or postpositive modifier normally applies to the entire series.

"Nearest-Reasonable-Referent Canon. When the syntax involves something other than a parallel series of nouns or verbs, a prepositive or postpositive modifier normally applies only to the nearest reasonable referent."

Antonin Scalia and Bryan Garner. Reading Law: The Interpretation of Legal Texts.

For prose applications, these matters more so rely upon writer and reader aptitudes and implication and interpretation aptitudes -- and grammar aptitude.

Charles Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities "It" prologue start is an example of nearest reasonable referent postpositive subject referents and of the series-qualifier canon.

The three canons fail for wills that use journalism's serial list separation and for likewise False Documents (texts factual in a fictive milieu). I, Noblious Tiberius Klink, patriarch, do hereby and herewith, to my next heirs, Jonathan, Jerold and Jane, scion siblings, bequeath mine whole fortune and estate in equity.

Anyway, this grist is offered for a de copia exercise prompt, not political discourse.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by walexander:
The US constitution needs a rewrite and update for the 21st century.

The selective service does not allow you to bring your own weapons, but they will be happy to supply you with a uniform and gun when you are drafted or volunteer.

The notion of personal weaponry needed in the modern age is based on the break down of civilization or personal self-defense against hostile citizens - gangs, serial killer, rapist, disgruntled employee, domestic violence, but odds are you won't have your weapon at the time they do because they pick soft targets to victimize. Evil doesn't choose a fair fight.

I'm neither for nor against the right to bear arms or the second amendment. Just stating the facts on the matter. No politics implied.

@E. Were they using the hyphen in the 18th century?

As you probably know there are two ways to change the Constitution. By amendment and by a special states convention. You might be interested in learning that there is a movement to have that special meeting of states. I should know the name of it, but I apologize for my poor memory today. Anyway, some states have already said they would join in. Personally I would be surprised if it happens but it is creeping onward.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Um, hmm. Not many people here publishing lately? Or they just do not feel like announcing it here? I can't find the right forum because of that for I have a new book out.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Post publication notices at "Hatrack Writers - Publications & Reviews."
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by extrinsic:
Post publication notices at "Hatrack Writers - Publications & Reviews."

Thank you Been too long since I looked for that,
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Merry Tax day, U.S. Coincidence the date falls midway between April Fools' and Mayday [sic]!?
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Taking a moment to cite the departure of the Statues of Liberty. Season's over.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Well, I know this will shock everyone, but the names are out, and I still haven't won a Pulitzer yet. [Cool]

And I thought my investigative reporting on when is the best time to rototill your soil for planting was riveting. Or when you should spray for those pesky spring weeds and insects. I just don't understand it, that was a story every American could identify with, but no, I've been passed over again. [Frown]

I better do some serious reflecting on my life because at age fifty I still don't have a Pulitzer, so I believe my career is all downhill from here. I better just give up.

Well, maybe I'll give it one more year, they can't pass me up again. [Big Grin]

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Pulitzers, like most all or all of literary prize culture, insidiously distinguish notable satire works, regardless of genre, yet award winners are appealing and fulfilling entertainments, too. Some might assert that fantastic fiction's literary awards are exceptions, includes the L. Ron Hubbard Writers of the Future quarterly and annual Golden Pen awards. Nope, only more covert and deeper satire subtext than other genres, more, perhaps unintended, smart subconscious plants than other genres.

I can see how garden till and spray schedules could be satire. Meantime, red onions grown from seeds planted twenty-six months ago bloomed seed heads this week. Finally, ripe and ready for table. Never mind deer ate all the tomato and bell pepper sprouts and all but three of the onion sprouts planted back when.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Well, another form letter rejection today. At least when you get feedback, you have something to work with, but when it is just a form letter, you have no idea what was the problem, or if there even was one.

Another one to add to the pile.

Onward and upward.

A funny thing happened the other day also: A couple years back I wrote a short story that I thought at the time was brilliant. Then my computer crashed, I lost it and was devastated. Then the other day I found a hard copy of the first seven pages of that story in a file of old stuff. It was cr*p. Funny how your perspectives change the more you learn.

It jump-started a lot of thinking on the human condition, hopefully, this rabbit hole leads me somewhere good.

W.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I *get* why they send form letters. But that doesn't mean I find it any less distressing.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Guidance, insight, catharsis, what all, for submission acceptance, decline, and form letter rejections within The Sobering Saga of Myrtle the Manuscript, by Tappan King, editor of now defunct Twilight Zone Magazine, (1991, SFWA hosted).

Though electronic submission becomes ever more so the norm, and an update of Myrtle, therefore, might be overdue, the processes behind manuscript submission mischief remain valid. An update by anyone other than King, though, would best be about a whole other topic, a standout subtext, so to speak, to defuse idea plagiarism.

What? Maybe cyberpunk satire about social and artistic commodification, acceptance and rejection, and self-promotion in an impersonal Digital Age, a la, say, Patty Smith, godmother of punk, Just Kids, 2010, a personal essay novel.

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Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Fudge, a coworker at my part-time night job just quit and now I have to work both shifts until we find someone else. He didn't even give two weeks. This younger generation doesn't have much honor. They see a dollar, and off they run.

There went most my writing time.

Fudge,

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Gig work, gig economy, contingent employment, transient labor: new terms for the state of jobs of late, coping mechanisms, really, for the several vocation and commerce factors that result from a post-industrial society and transition to service economy and public assistance economies emphases. Main influence factors are mechanization, automation, transnational corporate business unit agglomeration, jobs exports, jobs elimination, jobless laborer refugees displaced in place, welfare and nanny state subsistence, taxpayer rebellion, and overpopulation pressure.

Now, how to transform political geography articles into a satire, say a futuristic, dystopic, fantastic prose novel, is a whole other thought process. One facet could be the estates system revived; resident laborers are permanent indentured servants and less-than-at-will transient tenants of monopolistic corporations, wear corporate livery and all aspects of daily life are homage, mandated if not practiced at will, to the given corporation. The Divided Estates of Feudal Transnationals, DEFT. Although, be a personal satire drama about, say, one laborer's personal employment identity crisis development and personal satisfaction of the crisis, or a tragedy. The opioid epidemic an apt motif, too.

"Soylent green is people!" Soy and lentil protein foodstuff subsistence for the masses, the green, though, spirulina algae grown on human remains. (Richard Fleischer, director, 1973 motion picture Soylent Green, loosely inspired by Make Room! Make Room! Harry Harrison, 1966.)

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Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Well, took an honorable mention/semi-finalist with my first fantasy novel in an annual open call writers guild competition that was filled with dramatic writers. It was an extreme longshot to win with fantasy, so I feel lucky to even get the HM. I'll get a cert. and judges/editors notes in a couple weeks.

Better than a rejection form letter right?

I took 5th, everyone above me, dramatic writer, everyone below me, dramatic writer. They should just advertise as - send us your best country song in novel form. You know, the dog died, the girl walked out, mortgage do on the farm, and someone kicked the bucket when old rover went.

Accept now its: teen angst, someones gay, homegrown terrorist, bullied at school, girl power, evil men, dying of something, and the mortgage is do. Usually put it all together for dramatic effect.

I'd like to see these guys create their own languages, create a world, cities, people, animals, plant life and a way of life/culture from scratch.

Considering I'm not a member of the guild, I've never met any of the judges or attended any of the conventions, and entered as an outsider, 5th is probably pretty damn good.

Oh well, onward and upward.

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
See Writing in General and the Short Story in Particular, L. Rust Hills, 1977, for the crystal-est clear definition and explanation of "melodrama." Though Hills doesn't note nor contrastively compare melodrama to Aristotle's likewise simple plot definition and explanation, see that, too.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Way to go, walexander! That's pretty cool! Thanks for letting us know.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Fifth out of many dramatic writers is less daylight between leading the pack than also ran. Congratulations seconded. And a novel at that. If as proverbial they say, a fourth novel is the charm. . . .
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Thanks KDW & E.

I, unfortunately, am missing a good opportunity today to put this unpublished novel in front of a bunch of lit. agents, due to money issues. I was supposed to travel out and receive the award today at a writers convention, but the cost and distance just weren't in the budget.

At least I can add the novel's award to when I send it out to try and get it published. Perhaps it will move it a little higher on the slush pile.

If I only didn't need to pay for my house, car, food, clothing, gas, kids, life would be a lot easier.

W.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
I got a secondary prize today out at a thrift store. A best of Henry Melville (Moby Dick, Omoo, Typee, Isreal Potter) for a dollar. And 'In the heart of the sea' by Nathaniel Philbrick for 30 cents more.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Herman Melville's White-Jacket is my favorite from the writer.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
OK, they sent me the judges/editors remarks and scores with all thirty questions they rate on a score of 1 to 5, five being excellent, one being a complete rewrite, This they add together to get your total points.

I have to admit I had no problem taking the criticism, but the views and points are so different between the two judges/editors who rated mine, I'm not sure what to use. One loved it and gave it all 5's and 4's, the other 4's and 3's with a few stray 5's and 2's. One rated it very publishable, the other, a maybe. One says I just need to adjust cliche sentences, more description on place, and remove semi-colons/colons for commas. The other more clarification of secondary characters and time and place in the second half.

Both said the opening was excellent/5 and because of the action it was a 5 for page-turner, but-but- and this is what I often bring up when posting to Jay's comments about actions sole importance, I got hammered by the second judge that my world building needs more development and clarification, and my secondary characters need work, I think I was already sensing this when under the 'novel support' thread I was talking about how my second protag. for my new novel seemed lacking.

Overall I'm still amazed I took fifth.

It just goes to show you how invaluable the forum is because it preps you to take these kinds of criticisms and start to decipher two completely different opinions. What to use and what not to use. And deal with the mind-numbing thought of yet another rewrite.

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Another essay in the May/Summer 2018 The Writer's Chronicle, "Parsing Elfland: Style and Syntax in World-Building," Jonathan Helland, reflects upon Ursula K. Le Guin's "From Elfland to Poughkepsie." Both essays speak of the importance of authentic language apropos to a milieu and accessible by contemporary readers for a subtle world-building, character development, and setting appeal feature. Both essays speak to any fantastic fiction: science fiction, fantasy, and etc., any prose, for that matter.

A paywall for the Chronicle, Association of Writers & Writing Programs membership or subscription, that is, for online content access and magazine delivery or six annual print editions. Le Guin's essay can be found online PDF. I read it, too.

Like what? Medieval era situated fantasy? "What ho, simian varlets?" Mitchithan Ab Dold said, and whilst he glared as if the boarhound of Danu loosed. "Perchance what for doth thou brung forth this angry cyclone?" Over the top? Vague? Mixed milieus?

Or "Capitol Hill" -- "Poughkepsie" -- everyday-bland television news pundit, commentator filibuster speech? "And what are you dissidents here about?" Connor Mitchell asked, as he evil-eyed the crowd. "And you here stirring up trouble again?"

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Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Through ongoing research, realized another Postmodernism convention and its relationships to other literary movements, and that it, too, defines the whole of the canon. That is, want for change for novelty's sake without regard to if for individual or overall advancement, mainly, virtue and prudence, though applies as well to material circumstances.

Modernism, for example, seeks genuine advancements, of prose craft and method as well as the human condition and individual and overall status. Realism more or less attached to material advancement and social mobility and coping with Industrialism and attendant Urbanism's rises.

Human consciousness also attaches to explicit movements: Realism's self-existentialism, Modernism's self-consciousness, Postmodernism's self-awareness; and how each approaches notions of moral propriety; Realism, society assigns behavioral conditions; Modernism, self-responsibility; Postmodernism, question and challenge presupposed notions of moral propriety.

And the dawn of Pluralism to supplant Postmodernism: change as identity exploration and experimentation process for personal growth, self-determination, self-empowerment, prose craft seeks an intimate and individual and vivid and lively dramatic experience, self determines responsible social behavior parameters, copes with or outright transcends Digital Age technology and science and social and commercial complexities, and Incidentalism's haphazard ironic coincidence of mystical ephemera as actual meaning, as opposed to Transcendentalism's metaphysical realism. Huh.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Understood when I composed the above that the topic content is deep and obtuse. For me, though, literary movement categorizations inform a narrative's topic, subtext, composition, revision, and unity overall, plus, the reading experience.

Anyway, have been on the prospect several years -- well, a decade-plus now, for signs of toxic Postmodernism's wane. It was a good run, past time for its popularity to fade and a new movement to soar, one Millennials can own for their own generation, as movements are generational, reactive to prior generations and movements, and significant departures from what came before. Thus the human condition and the wisdom of the ages and prose craft advance -- if at all.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Called to grace, Tom Wolfe, May 15, 2018, New Journalism essayist and nonfiction and fiction novelist, and hysterical realism: elaborate language, plot, or characterization, or melds of those, and social satire. New Journalism adopts fiction story craft methods and refuses journalism's traditional, expected objectivity and balanced accounts, for which Wolfe advanced the form.

Thank you for The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby, essay collection; nonfiction novels The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, The Pump House Gang, The Right Stuff; and fiction novel, The Bonfire of the Vanities; and others.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Some of Wolfe's stuff is interesting, but he tended to wine a lot for upper white men. His article for S.E.P. "Down with sin." should be served with crackers and cheese. I'm sorry, but the whole poor ivy league, wall street broker vs. the evil artist hippy community is pretty silly. Hippy=Sin cult. Some of our leading physicists were part of that Sin cult. You can't really blame women for wanting to break out of that 50's cookie-cut housewife, be a good servant and shut-up, crap they had to put up with. Gee, women want adventure, romance, and meaningless sex, what a shocker.

But yes, he did make strides that broke the boundaries, for that, he will always be remembered. R.I.P.

PS: All you Hatrackers remember the deadline for entering S.E.P.'s great American short story contest is July 1st, it's your chance to be recognized beside some of the greatest writers in history.
contest Good Luck! You'll need the very best you got for this one and you don't have to be American, in case you aren't.

W.

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Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Name me an accomplished writer without a public soapbox. Wolfe's wholehearted adoption of Boomer generation Postmodernism and New Journalism and hysterical realism limbs of it, yet a Silent generation writer, is a dichotomy. Plus, his ironic satire aptitude -- Wolfe's not known for much of it. Sarcasm, yes.

The Saturday Evening Post "2019 Great American Fiction Contest" prompt: "Think local. The Post has historically played a role in defining what it means to be an American. Your story should in some way touch upon the publication's mission: Celebrating America — past, present, and future." $10 entry fee.

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Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
I think the inherent problem we have as we jump through the information age/social media age is they act as polar opposites of themselves.

The rise of full information access to any subject matter allows free thinkers to bring to the table arguments they might have been limited by their social class. You can literally if you have the drive learn whatever your heart wishes with access to the web.

Counter to this, social media has the lynch mob mentality. Something is right if enough people get together and say it is so. It is literally in opposition to fact-based thinking. Justice, rule of law, science, truth by fact, has no bearing on social media's opinion. Only what the mob decides due to widespread disinformation campaigns.

It's a cultural platform for instant gratification and/or victimization.

Millennials are lost in the blender between these two blades circling each other. X-gen is running hard with info/social media platforms, blogs, facebook, twitter, snapchat, etc, Heading face first into the AI age.

The sad part is Millennials are in the delusion that AI can rein in social media, the X-gens are only going to become more dependant on computers to do their thinking for them. It's on my smart phone so it must be true.

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Socrates, Quintillus, Nero, Constantine, René Descartes, Martin Luther, and so on and so forth, made those same claims in their respective ages about their contemporary, concurrent generations, cultures, beliefs, technologies, and sciences.

The proverbial pendulum swing spans polar opposites, at present, more toward nihilism emphasis than mutual, shared, or reciprocal social responsibility emphasis. Each past age ended its nihilism swing after great horrors ran their courses, and social coordination (reciprocal), cooperation (shared), and codetermination (mutual) processes proved essential for recovery.

And since at least Socrates' times, a vehicle for social recovery has been prose and poetry Poets' courtly social satire: part wickedness's vice and folly causes exposed, part catharsis, part caution, part life lesson, part celebration of the human condition at its truest, most horrific, most noble goodness, and most beautiful expression.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
For we who are aspirants, the Nobel literature laureate will not be awarded this year; two next year, 2018's reserved award and 2019's. Not since World War I & II's disturbances has a year passed in which no literature Nobel was awarded.

The Nobel Foundation postponed the 2018 literature award for lack of a committee quorum; sexual misconduct, financial malpractice, and leaks of Swedish Academy internal materials scandals caused four members' departures. Three had departed previously due to controversies about an Iranian fatwā against Salman Rushdie. Seven of eighteen gone, eleven remain, one shy of a quorum. New members will be appointed and a review and update of the Academy Nobel literature committee's bylaws instituted.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I was mystified when they gave it to Bob Dylan.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
I'm tempted to read "Less" by Andrew Sean Greer. The 2018 Pulitzer winner. There's a ton of hype. I'm always curious if the writing is actually as good as they say.

To me, the synop. reeks of our current tropes. You can't write anything now without a gay character, badass woman, the nerd gets the boy, teen angst, and men get their come-up-ins, oh, and the world is a horrible place.

But I like to be proven wrong, so I may give it a chance.

I have to admit I have been racking my brain trying to think of a positive future storyline, but it's hard, almost near impossible finding a positive outlook when prognosticating our future.
All past evidence points to a dismal future.

Too many weapons, diseases, prejudices, religious conflict, for us all to work in harmony like a star trek universe. Especially when capitalists would never give up the power of a monetary system. We really still live in a monetary feudal system, people just like to fool themselves that we aren't still ruled over by the rich.

What's ironic is even star trek is really about the same conflicts but against the galaxy, even murder and the hungry for power are prevalent in the star trek canon.

But there's no story without conflict.

We are born to be miserable and relish in the fleeting happy moments.

Life is not in the winning or losing but the struggle in between.

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Within the Hebrew idea of righteous persons, sans religious and political and social pressures and artifacts, is an idea for a "positive" story structure.

Complication and conflict contests nonetheless, an outcome therein is the cold shoulder of quiet, personal refusal to be caught up in the Keeping up with the Jones rat race and masuclinism exhortations to compete for utter conquest. Less, per se, "off the grid," more so denial of junk commercial materialism co-option and refusal of or boycotts of partisan party duels, a third space or more non-capitalist, non-party, non-mob, no-brow participant Pluralism.

See, there's this religion of the ages for which to advocate for or preach its tenets is a mortal sin. . . . Now I've sinned.

[ May 20, 2018, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Advertisement touts the merits of a product. One panel emphasizes the accuracy of the product. The word "Precisley" is misspelled. Greater than even odds a typo or such will contradict an intent. A Freudian slip that calls undue attention to the claim -- the precision claim is invalid anyway, like an assertion a wood yard stick is a precision measurement device. Also, that is a situational irony: observed contradiction between a circumstance and the intent. Precisely is imprecisely spelled. Yet amusement obtained, although product ad persuades purchase rejection.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Odd how knowledge goes missed and forgotten. Stumbled on a piece of sailor arccanum a few years back and spent time in its recovery. Lately, found the last lost part.

A spritsail rig requires a sprit boom foot control to manage sail trim, called a snotter. Different rigs and makers come up with a variety of methods and devices, none as simple, effective, and elegant as when sprits where common. The traditional snotter is a figure-eight double eye splice, a marlinspike sailor and sailmaker's eye splice technique. No other rig required if the eyes are a cinch-tight fit for the sprit heal and peak and mast taper. Yet sprit heal pulleys and cleats and levers and outhaul and downhaul and uphaul lines clutter and tangle the fore deck and mast for most or all present-day sprit rig designs, part due to mass production and -- well, snotter technology's loss.

The final piece found for me was from study of spritsail mast and sail design. The sprit boom's heel should stand where the mast taper narrows above the deck, and the mast step should rotate. Counterintuitively, the snotter should be placed from the top before the mast is stepped, and jammed down the mast to its desired position. If the peak of the sprit needs adjustment when underway or on a luff, then the snotter can be jammed up or down farther and stay where set, against the tension of the sprit boom, the sail, and winds. A three-inch diameter mast's large snotter eye should be a quarter inch or so less diameter and of a non-elastic fiber line. Likewise the sprit boom foot eye a quarter inch or so less than the boom tenon which it seats.

I know how to and have fashioned many eye splices. Not yet the sailmaker and marlinspike sailor's eye splice. Tucked ends should be tapered, the difference, in particular, for the snooter eyes and all other sail and eye splice beckets, and suitably seized.

[ July 02, 2018, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
All my projects entail investigation, research and development, study, trial and error, and, soon or late, attain success. Ones mentioned for mill grist move apace or enter completion.

One long term thought exercise, at last, attained a full realization, and opened up and narrowed prose projects. First, a full question realization arose. The question itself presented long after first set upon its trail. Backtracks to first principles and first causes raised the initial question: Why do people favor urban lifestyles? Urban revolution began long ago, long before the Industrial age, which escalated and energized urbanization.

The first non-kin group settlements began urbanization, cities, as it were, of the mid to late Neolithic era. Prior settlements were kin group semi-nomadic "towns."

The real and true question arose from that track: Most, how does a society stratify? Less so why, and somewhat, more so, who, when, where, and what. Biblical and scriptural parables offer answers, though of a more anecdotal and invented nature with ulterior motives than dramatic expression, likewise, piecemeal archeology and anthropology reports and documentaries. A synthesis of the corpus was wanted. Lo and behold, huh? due to civilization forces and consequent taxation from laborer labors and surpluses and wealth concentration for newly self-ordained elites. Biblical, for sure, certainly part of the Book of Moses and Joseph and the Israelite's Egyptian odyssey.

Much earlier origins, though, first cities like Göbekli Tepe. A common theme for the earliest true cities is a religious function, that is, shared beliefs and worship, and social celebrations. What started out as reserves sequestered against shortages doled out to the needy became inducements to trade labor for subsistence and, later, taxes collected from real or perceived laborer surpluses and used to support elites and their hired enforcers and city-state monopoly of violence in support thereof.

The Tell of Five-toed Sloths? "Tell," a hilltop settlement. "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden." Matthew 5:14. Hence, needs fortification and a war fighter force. more often for offense than defense. Basis, justification, really, for the often anymore cited phrase "Shining white city on a hill" as an ideal of Exceptionalism beliefs, actually, a survivorship bias type.

How, then? By inducements to volunteer labor for subsistence provisions, then forced subservience from force majeure coercions of Exceptionalists. And best not rock the boat or otherwise suffer eviction into the cold, blighted, miserable wilderness, into shunned exile, or worse.
 
Posted by Disgruntled Peony (Member # 10416) on :
 
Hey, all. It's been about six months since I was last active on Hatrack. I'm not sure I'm *back* back, but I consider everyone here friends, so I wanted to update people on some things and ask how things have been going for everyone else.

(It is an unfortunate fact of life that sometimes friends have disagreements and arguments. I'm sorry about the way things went the last time I was here. I was going through a difficult time, both with my writing and in my life in general, and I just... needed to step away. I was fresh out of 2017, and 2017 was a hell of a year for me.)

Anyway! I've been working at a bank since the end of January. It's... not great, but it doesn't leave me violently stressed like Rite Aid or violently angry like Dollar Tree. Nine days out of ten I can leave my thoughts about the job at work instead of bringing things home, and that's definitely a step up.

I've been taking a pseudo-sabbatical from writing for the last couple months. I found out about some controversies related to WotF that put me off from submitting there, and that contest was one of my biggest reasons to keep pushing for short stories. What I really want is to write novels, but in order to do that I need to stop being afraid of them. I've been prepping for a novel, and I think I can write a full draft for it once I get the outline down. (I've got characters and a setting, but I'm still working out how all the various conflicts will go down.)

Most importantly, to me at least, I'm 16 weeks pregnant. With twins! It's definitely going to make for a lot of changes in my life once the little dragons are born, but my husband and I have been trying for years, so I'm usually more excited than terrified. [Wink]

How have things been going for everyone else lately? I'd very much like to know. [Smile]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I retired a year ago---it hasn't made much of a difference in my writing productivity, basically because of other things expanding to fill the time.

Aside from that, one day is much like any other.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
On pace for this year's resolutions, though ever one more concept beyond my fingertips' reach. Odd that the concept that most eludes is the ever elusive abstract-concrete cognitive aptitude correlation.

The projects on the draft board are that close and far away. When I am distracted by other pursuits' focused efforts, sometimes a thought rises about the works and as soon slips away. If the thought recurs, and does sometimes, the thought clears.

Congratulations, Disgruntled Peony, on all things positive and may they persist, pleasant, and reward.

Pay little mind, if any, to the culture wars and gossip about the WotF and bias. Creative jealousy drives much of the nonsense, as also of publication culture overall. If a work speaks for itself, all of that noise is trivial and pointless and ignored. Satire, even of the sort that appears to bite the hand that feeds, and doesn't, actually, that ironically reconciles diverse oppo-positions, overcomes all feudal resistance.

Worth note that social occasions often are less about the content and more about emotional evocation for a sense of social belonging, even belonging through exclusion for provocation's sake.

[ July 22, 2018, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Congratulations and best wishes on your pregnancy, Disgruntled Peony. How exciting for you all.

I'm of an age to retire, but as long as there is a need for this forum, I hope to stick around and keep it going.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
congrats DP, wishing you smooth sailing.

I stepped aside from writing about two months ago. Needed a break. Realized my real life was on hold. I was getting foggy-brain sitting at my desk. So I have been hiking back trails, traveling around, exploring new things, basically challenging my norm in hopes to ignite some inspiration and at the same time feel life isn't just passing me by.

I have to remind myself sometimes to stop what I am doing and take a moment to look around and enjoy this life.

You would think as a writer the last thing I need is quiet alone time in my own thoughts, but it is a whole different quiet when out in nature, on the move, and meeting new people you would have never encountered or imagined unless you step out the door. That's what I have been up and down too.

Your novel is just like your twins, inside waiting to see light of day, when its time, it will happen.

Best wishes,

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Now is a season of stepbacks, reconsiders, and reboots. Mine started last year this time and has moved along leagues. A year-log project development of considerable significance reached full realization today: a five-point star decorative accent for platewares. Tedious math and troublesome angles and two miter sleds made and tried for the accurate, precision 36 and 54 degrees angles wanted. Huzzah! The prototype turned out precise.

Writing, the stepback was -- is prose's irony and satire functions and methods. Not symbol plants, rather, apt and natural and necessary and accessible abstract expression between narrative's overt, concrete dramatic movement expression. Closer and farther away, I gain headway on ever elusive concepts beyond my fingertips' reach for now.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I have been, and still am, considering beginnings. I could not have done so without the insight I have gained from Hatrack, yet the incessant 'noise', in the end, prompted a break. Congratulations DP, I wish you all the happiness in the world. On the downside, I will be back, eventually.

Phil.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
We'll keep a light on for you, Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
According to a supposably Ghana bank, purportedly, I only am due a million-plus that was forgotten to be disbursed. Yea! If I send privacy data, of course, and confirm this is me, really. Odd that the return email address is registered in Ukraine and sender source is an Istanbul address. Much grammar fault in message.

If I had a dollar for each of these I've received, I'd have a million. More than a dozen some kind of phishing scheme per day for years and years. I guess, it is what it had been, was, is, and will be for the foreseeable future: cons, scams, and schemes calculated to prey on the naive and enrich lazy yakholes and sow dissensions.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I've only been phished once. Didn't bite. But I have the online presence of a misanthropic hermit.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Microsoft has been leaving messages on my phone telling me to contact them. I ignore them---and for the ones online I find closing the browser does the trick.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Realized today that hummingbirds love chilled nectar, plus, of course, known for a while they also love fermented nectar. Not sure about hummingbird hangovers or brain freeze. Hah!? A story title: "Hummingbird Hangover Sunday."

Homemade nectar requires refrigeration so the reserve stock stays fresh, doesn't spoil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Firefox ended XP support lately. Chrome done with XP, also. Explorer ended support long ago. Any browsers still support XP!? The other laptop, up-to-date and state of the art, enormous RAM and bus speed, etc. Hefty software. Concerns, though, about robustness of online security apps.

Microsoft's Windows 10 browser Edge and POP email client Direct not supported by Symantec-Norton products -- incomparable Internet security. Alas, Norton, too, no longer supports XP. I need robust and trustworthy security. Too many malwares besiege my laptop castles.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
My phones and Internet failed for four days, Friday through Monday. Tuesday I got them back---by pressing the reset button on my WiFi whatsit. Didn't think of it till Monday night, but, then, I was down with a cold most of that time as well.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I run Linux Mint. Has a simple yet powerful firewall, has fewer vulnerabilities for cyber attack than Windows and is supported by major anti-virus software companies. In five years of using this software I haven't once had a cyber intrusion; and I haven't installed any anti-virus software to date.

It also helps that my drives have DOD rated encryption and are backed up daily.

For browsing the web I use Vivaldi, despite its desire to update versions every week or two. Three essential plug-ins are also installed: HTTPS Everywhere, Privacy Badger and uBlock.

Have a look, it might be worth your while.

PS. All my confidential files are password protected by 64 character passwords utilising the extended character set.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Software for my bread-and-butter work and more than a few hobby pastimes are unsupported for Linux, only Windows and, a few steps back and to the left, Apple.

No successful intrusions here yet, either, though they do try Ilium's walls.
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Haven't been here a while No real reason for most of that time.

Anyway, I saw my first Spirit store over a week ago. Maybe over two weeks. Are the early or am I just forgetting when they show up exactly?


But I realized there is something else I should have been posting. Back in the second to last week of June I had my early check up. Blood work worried the doctor because it said I was way down on red blood cells hemoglobin and one other thing I keep forgetting. I was told to get a blood transfusion. I felt fine, they kept thinking I should be tired but I wasn't. Appetite okay, no blood in my urine etc. A second blood test showed my white blood cells were all okay. I had a camera down me and up me. They showed nothing. I swallowed a video pill, carried a recorder for that for 8 hours, and that showed nothing. My wife thought I should take two iron pills since one didn't seem to be doing anything. A third blood test two weeks ago showed those three items were all up significantly. Red blood cells were within range now. One doctor thinks I may be having problems absorbing iron since two pills seem to be solving the low counts. Evidently I will have another test in a few months to see if things are still going up.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Low mean platelet volume (MPV) is also a sign of low vitamin D, high cholesterol, and high blood calcium levels, each due to low sunlight exposure. One sure sign of the condition is hives-like skin spots, especially on the back, chest, and thighs' flesh.

I am borderline anemic, too, take iron supplements as well as B12, and others. My metabolism cycles seasonally due to low wintertime sunlight exposure. Lately, though, have realized the greater, multiple benefits of a twenty-minute one-mile walk in t-shirt and shorts: sunlight, low impact exercise, cardio stability, improved digestion, low-distraction meditation. MPV, D, cholesterol, and calcium back into healthy ranges.

Wintertime? Huh, have to show skin to the sunlight at least ten percent for twenty minutes per day every day!
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Best wishes for safe sanctuaries to all under hurricane Florence's pall.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Sunshine: God's antiseptic; and worker of other little miracles. Vitamin D aids in the uptake of calcium, however it needs sunlight to undertake that function. Not sure why. If you're taking vitamin D tablets they are ineffective without a walk in the sun.

This places some Muslim women and others who practice full body coverage at significant risk of osteoporosis.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Human skin exposed to healthy sunlight doses manufactures or refines a complex set of metabolic essentials, several hundreds, actually. D supplements by their selves do not provide an adequate nor complete nutritional supply.

Few other animals need sunlight as much as humans do. What? Skin like photovoltaic cells? Like plant photosynthesis? Catalytic retorts? Uniquely human epidermal synthesis -- maybe elephants, swine, rhinoceroses, hippopotami, furless marine mammals, too?

Magnesium is also essential for osteoporosis and kidney stone mitigation and for several hundred metabolic processes. Water softener treatments strip natural magnesium from water, though, and iron and calcium and other minerals. No coincidence the kidney stone belt coincides to treated ground water well regions.

Odd that Inuits' whale blubber diet provides many otherwise unavailable nutrients, maybe not. Whale flesh simulates oceanic mineral proportions, as does human blood. Use iodized sea salt for trace mineral supplements.

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Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Spent my life staying out of the sun as much as possible. Long-term night-shift worker. And whenever I mow my lawn, I smear my skin with the heaviest highest-SPF sun screen I can find.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Also not a sun-lover. My daughter says it's my Celtic blood.

I used to joke to people that I experience SADD (seasonal affective disorder depression) on a bright sunny day, but then I learned that it really is a thing.

I really love overcast and cloudy days are much more beautiful to me than sunny ones.

Melanoma risks versus vitamin D deficiency - which to choose? how to balance?
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by extrinsic:
Low mean platelet volume (MPV) is also a sign of low vitamin D, high cholesterol, and high blood calcium levels, each due to low sunlight exposure. One sure sign of the condition is hives-like skin spots, especially on the back, chest, and thighs' flesh.

I am borderline anemic, too, take iron supplements as well as B12, and others. My metabolism cycles seasonally due to low wintertime sunlight exposure. Lately, though, have realized the greater, multiple benefits of a twenty-minute one-mile walk in t-shirt and shorts: sunlight, low impact exercise, cardio stability, improved digestion, low-distraction meditation. MPV, D, cholesterol, and calcium back into healthy ranges.

Wintertime? Huh, have to show skin to the sunlight at least ten percent for twenty minutes per day every day!
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Best wishes for safe sanctuaries to all under hurricane Florence's pall.

Hmm, I have had high cholesterol but the last couple of years it has gone down. I have no idea about my Vit D levels. My blood calcium could be up, I am not sure if they checked that even though I could look. More sun. Hmm, I do excise but inside. Plenty of sunshine here the last few months-as every year at this time-and I am out in it for portions of the day. Some days more.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Are we all willing to admit that one attraction of the writing life is that it keeps us out of direct sunlight?
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
I'll admit to moderate sunlight aversion, social aversion in general, though no taste for blood and idle aristocracy's penchants for subjugation.

Might a new fantasy revenant persona compass the type?
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Sunlight aversion? Ha! Apart from an aggregate of about 12 years in offices, I've spent 48 years out in the weather: rain, hail, shine and occasionally, snow. That's what gives me a skin tone like a baby's bottom. If I was an armadillo, that is.

Social aversion? I'm a committed misanthropist. But I'm not averse to engaging in some subjugation of the masses tho.

Phil.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Just got off my sabbatical and did the exact opposite. Two months of sun, lakes, camping, hiking, climbing, horseback riding in the back woods, visiting places not many get too.

The only disappointment, coming back and reading all those stories and manuscripts I left behind with fresh eyes and saying, "uggg, what was I thinking?"

But besides that, a few times along the hikes/climbs I just had to stop, mesmerized by the amazing quiet. You never really realizes how much your brain filters ambient noise until you reach the real, "Quiet." It's deafening.

So yes, right with you GOG, balanced the scales. I'm sun-kissed, bug-bit, windblown, waterlogged, and half-starved, but it was an adventure.

Now back to work.

W.

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Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Out in the wild for two months and not a problem

Come back to the city and I catch a bad flu, break a toe, power steering fluid leak on my car, freon is out in my central air, and a swarm fly infestation.

It's a topsy-turvy world we live in my friends. The scales seem to be always balancing.

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The city is the wilderness from this perspective -- out in the wild. How missed are the hinterlands of in with Nature, especially the desert maritimes.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Stress, also, is known to induce immune deficiencies and poor physical responses to environment navigation. Basically, stress makes you clumsy and accident prone.

Survival stress is an inbuilt property of homo sapiens, social stress is another matter entirely.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Notified .55 BTC deposited to my BitCoin wallet, which I don't have, never did, won't. Exchange rate worth $3,500. Nope, a falsehood designed to elicit an active response and create a contact for exploitation from a scam and con mill based out of Rostov, Russia.

A new variant of the Nigerian royalty inheritance confidence scam.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Scammers abound everywhere. Here in Australia they're called banks,financial institutions, financial planners, commercial superannuation (pension fund) in fact anything and everything in the financial sector. We no longer have bank robberies because all the crooks work in them now.

We do have Financial Regulators, but according to the Royal Commission now in progress, they aren't up with to snuff by a long shot. Seems the call for gaol time for these people is going to become deafening.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I keep getting the ransomware link on certain sites. I take the browser down and that's that. Annoying but tolerable.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
If a kin group comprises a self-constituted nation, and a self of one is the kin group, a, or the, leader anyway, all the cosmos is adversary and competition and subjected to megalomaniacal masculist combativeness, exploitation, and predation.

[Edit: Self, family, kin, community, nation, country, leadership, God, the law.]

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Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Just wanted to say that I am doing NaNoWriMo this year. A fantasy, that I actually wrote three fourths of five years ago. It needed a rewrite because of what I had learned since and I needed to finish it. So I am redoing it-starting from scratch.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Recently found out piddly little Australia has a bigger economy than Russia.

"What do we want?"
"The Bomb!"
"When do we want it?"
"Now!"

I'm just saying.

Phil.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
thank goodness thanksgiving is over I only wish Christmas and new years was over too. Holidays are to darn expensive.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Not if you don't have friends. I've assiduously avoided that entanglement for years. Fending off would be 'friendship suitors' is tedious, but worth the effort.

Phil. [Smile]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
My holiday and occasion gift strategy is thoughtful, situation-suited shopmade, handmade artware, otherwise, my grateful presence is present enough.

The most popular artisan-appeal ware I craft is a decorative peck-sized barrel, 5 inches diameter, seven inches height, with reversible lid, for dry storage and display. Made from construction lumber, white pine, two and a quarter barrels per two-by-four by eight feet stud, and a few hours of mesmerized joy from the crafting ritual. Even recipients', who anticipate one, faces light up from the joys of shared appreciations.

I carry little truck for the material commodification and thoughtless falsehoods of celebratory occasions.

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Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
The material commodifications and and thoughtless falsehoods are those of some people, not of the occasions.

I had my first Thanksgiving with (what is left of) my family in 4 years.

If I manage to find work in time, I'll be thrilled to spend some money on gifts.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
"Material commodification and thoughtless falsehoods of celebratory occasions." Metonymy figure: "Reference to something or someone by naming one of its attributes."

And autonomasia: "Substituting a descriptive phrase for a proper name, or substituting a proper name for a quality associated with it." Substitution rather than allusive reference the distinction between metonymy and autonomasia, though both above: substitution and allusion.

And equals periphrasis: "The substitution of a descriptive word or phrase for a proper name (a species of circumlocution); or, conversely, the use of a proper name as a shorthand to stand for qualities associated with it." Intended circumlocution the substantive distinction between autonomasia and periphrasis.

And euphemismus: "Substituting a more favorable for a pejorative or socially delicate term." A strategy for periphrasis' circumlocution design.

And congeries: "Piling up words of differing meaning but for a similar emotional effect." Latin term for synathroesmus: "The conglomeration of many words and expressions either with similar meaning (= synonymia) or not (= congeries)." The Latin, though, emphasizes emotional effect; the Greek figure does not.

(Gideon Burton, Silva Rhetoricae, rhetoric.byu.edu)

Attribution because licensed for citation fair use under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License. Prose poetic equipment illustration here the intent, not an assignment or instruction nor correction.

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Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
Listen, I'm a Sagittarius, all this circumlocution stuff (outside of literature) gives me hives. Also, I was raised by a blame-fixated obsessive-compulsive, so I always like to be sure the proper entity is being yelled at, accused, whatever-the-bleep.

Point is, I love the holidays, which to me represent abstract ideas, and while their over-commercialization and whatall is irritating, it's also purely a thing of people-so just don't celebrate the holidays with people like that, and you're good.

I get what you're saying though. Dern capitalism.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Artful circumlocution, everyday speech, formal register or whatever, or prose, is also an extended ellipsis figure, not, per se, the punctuation mark thereof: "Omission of a word or short phrase easily understood in context." (Ibid.) Circumlocution-ellipsis emphasis upon extended "easily understood in context" for an extended rhetorical intent.

Thoughtless falsehoods of festive holiday origins give me fevers. Christmas' genuine origin is a bountiful social event ritual celebrated in advance of winter's deprivations, usurped by lies. Too few of the genuine occasions anymore to do much other than grateful feral grins and bears it, for me, or celebrate winter's onset alone and extend best wishes for safe and pleasant occasions to all and to all a merry winter.

My natal chart depicts Taurus-Gemini and Aquarius Sun and Moon signs, Venus-Pisces, Mars-Libra, Jupiter-Leo, and Saturn-Aires planetary signs, a double stellium, irregular six-sided star, lopsided all over the chart. Little wonder I am given a dysfunctional life-tourist life, or preferable, the heavens reflect my birth and Nature validated by a celestial portrait of a late-term, fecund birth. Never mind subsequent dysfunctional social environment and self-adjustment force influences.

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Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Dysfunctional? I have looked into the very fires of Hell and have not been afraid. I am doomed to complete a task set for me that I do not yet understand. I only know this: I have confronted the minions of the Lord of the Morning Light that walk among us and I have prevailed. Not won, simply survived.

Phil.
 
Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
Anyway, all I want for Christmas is a job and a backrub from a certain web-slinger.

And a full set of Neon Genesis Evangelion DVDs. Actually, I'd settle for them just releasing the series on Blu Ray in the US for a decent price and buy it myself with money from the previously asked for job.

Also, for them to start calling the Infinity Gems Infinity Gems, like how they actually are.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
At the least, at last, I know the task to which I am summoned, and chosen to accept, and strategies for its prosecution. Soon, maybe, the recurrent nightmares would subside.

Providence forbid! -- those night dreams are motivation and prose creation blossoms.

[ December 02, 2018, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
Sweet Jesus, it's an Anti-AT field!
 
Posted by LDWriter2 (Member # 9148) on :
 
Been awhile since I have been here. Got into such a habit of not coming I am finding a bit hard to break said habit.

Anyway, I have another novel that needs revising-I did Nanowrimo again this year-but this one is a redo of a fantasy I started over five years ago and never finished. Now it is finished. What I call A good old fashion classic fantasy. Now to finish a story for a certain contest deadlined this month-actually I think there are two of them.

Been writing a ton of short stories since the last time and Indie published a book and have three others ready but they need covers. Actually one is a set of five short stories. I need a pic of a Marshal's badge for that one. Old star style. Not so easy to find. That is a badge that is in good shape and doesn't have Tombstone on it. (Sigh)
 
Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
You know who I love (apart from Tom Holland)?

Neil Gaiman. And also Ian McShane.

I'm watching the American Gods TV series. It's delightlyfully Gaimany, and Ian McShane is awesome as Mr. Wednesday.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A bicycle ride share enterprise started hereabouts called Lime. Lime green with lemon yellow trim bicycles appeared all over town, migrate by demand and destination. Three-speed, headlamp and taillight, smart phone matrix barcode scanner, GPS locator-tracker, bicycle lock, hub generator, debit card registered account pay per minute of use. Barcode scanned starts a metered run, unlocks the lock. Relocked ends a ride share episode.

The facet of the bike ride share that puts me off most is the GPS tracker, if I signed up and availed myself of the service, would track my use. Not that I'm up to any wicked designs, that the data is documented and ripe for privacy abuses. Plus, heck and libel, a cyclist's labors power the apps and such for the company. Involuntary-volitional indentured servitude at the beck and call of an exploitive business!? Bill me to work -- no way.

Invasion of the labor snatchers . . .

[ December 12, 2018, 07:58 AM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Damn medication. This time around, apart from channelling Jamie Oliver, I've got the cleaning bug: I just cleaned under the fridge, for Pete's sake.

Phil.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
ugg, hollywood is doing another version of little women. I swear they are stuck on repeat. Common people, give us something fresh and original! It feels like their not even trying anymore.

And get this, GRR martin finally puts out his *700* page prehistory fire and blood, all the while fans are clamoring for winds of winter, and its not a single! He just let everyone know there is a second volume to be made. Come on Martin you just wrote seven hundred pages, leave it be. He's going to be just like Rowling and screw up his own series.

Also, ever notice martin has a thing for brother-sister incest combos. Just finished nightflyers and it ends on a brother-sister hook up. Yes I know it's in our history, but it is kind of weird how he tries to put a positive spin on it.

Shaking my head and frowning,

W.
 
Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
I think they need to make a live-action version of Titan A.E. That was such an awesome film. I would say they should just cast the voice actors for the roles (especially Matt Damon as Cale), but many of them are too old now. Who to replace Matt Damon and Drew Barrimore hmmmm....
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
George Railroad Martin wrote many fine things that had great influence on my own work---but I've never read "Game of Thrones" and doubt if I ever will.

If he wants to write another volume, he should write it---if he doesn't he should say so---and if he still wants to write he should write something else.

If he's blocked he should also say so.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Hollywood suffers nutritious content starvation, malnourished anyway. Due to a gorge diet and over consumption of self-comfort and self-soothe melodrama. Compared to the obesity epidemic, Hollywood only knows anymore too much melodrama easy appeal and industrial food complex advocacy for empty-nutrition fat and carbohydrate-rich foodstuffs and melodrama-rich media content self-comforts' soothes.

You are what you live, are what you eat, are what you view and hear, are what you read, are what you consume, are what you create.

Existential identity crises' slights and stings want self-comfort content soothes. Melodramatic motion pictures are that crisis alpha-world escape self-treatment, self-medication of any easy comfort and soothe means. Dysfunction.

Transcendence self-adjustments realize a self's identity and emotional security derives through a dual metastable social integration process; one, respectful, responsible, critical, conscious contribution to and participation in care given to the common good; two, likewise, respectful, etc., care given to the self, so that the self is able to give care to the common good, and inseparably every which-a-way vice versa social integration care given.

Artists are a breed apart from mainstream conformity, writer artists especially, who do our craft more or less isolated from society, responsive to social alienation's brutal exclusions. Reintegration entails meaningful, enduring creativity of a broad social appeal, which gives care to many and sundry and a self's social nourishment. Nurture and Nature, not Nature or Nurture.

Satire of the Menippean type fits the wise drama diet, targets the vices and follies of corrupt social-culture institutional forces. Pluralist Menippean satire especially, which allows life's lively vigor takes all kinds to raise a village, to hunt a mammoth, to dismantle or strengthen republican representative democracy, to shape nutritious drama. Like this post is Menippean satire.

Postmodernism, though, challenges and questions presupposed notions of moral propriety, pursues immediate, convenient, effortless self-gratification at the expense of self-discipline. This means that much of mainstream society wants to be entertained at no effort. Not enough nutritious entertainers anymore, if ever there were; certainly, too many wants to be entertained audiences' any way, every way loose, easy melodrama appeal wants.

Plus, what passes for wise entertainment nutrition anymore, for much of human time, really, is unwise, is melodrama's effortless malnutrition. Therefore, melodrama emulations are an all too common and easy, effortless gratification temptation and too little else to set nutritious appeal examples.

The Sophists of ancient Greece believed self-gratification is wise and near to the gods' graces. Cynics believed self-responsible, self-disciple, self-denial, self-deprivation, self-governance, and self-reliance for the common good are wise and nearest to the gods' graces. Stoics pushed into utter masochistic self-denial for the gods graces.

Modern-day philosophic beliefs are without such godly metaphysical guidance, per Friedrich Nietzsche's 1882 "God is dead" assertion, means the power of humankind's godly manipulations no more oppress the masses; philosophic beliefs absent altogether, except megalomaniacal self-promotion and wealth and power obtainment at all costs, any means to an end, at others' proportionate brutal losses and expenses -- zero sum scenarios.

Humanist, secular Pluralists believe non-zero sum scenarios are nearest to society's most necessary and respected social graces. Not win-win games and reward tokens and trifles, here today, already gone yesterday: meaningful and enduring social gains for all and sundry, all the while the self's responsible security gains, too. The hardest of which challenge is realization that status, power, and money are stale, lonely ashes beside the meaningful and enduring self-rewards of responsible self-discipline for the self's and the common good's graces, and responsible occasion for conscientious self-indulgence at times.

Not keep to "your" natural station and bear it a too heavy burden that wants frequent self-comfort soothes; rather, from thy present place do the genuine great social works, irrespective of how minuscule or capitalist material object, tiny step by tiny step, ad astra per aspera, to the stars by the hard way, which is the most productive way forth, for the common good's glory and the self's, and from that reap identity and emotional security rewards, no matter how humble and modest or otherwise.

A third-eye gander at G.R.R. Martin shows he is what he writes, what he lives, what he consumes: understated opulence apparel, urban camouflage from himself, heavyset from too frequent immediate, effortless self-gratification and indulgence. He is a poster icon of melodrama.

Obesity is a disease and epidemic, pandemic of insecurity and too frequent immediate, effortless self-gratification over-indulgences, and food, drug, and alcohol, wagering, combative contention, sex, etc., melodrama, toxic addictions -- signs of insecurity.

Writers are the court jester social-moral conscience of the human realm, of old and before, story spinners, bards and troubadours, and playwrights, too.

Melodrama we artists can manage through our arts' satire appeals. Bucked up and knuckled down, genuine drama satires composed. Hollywood and mainstream society are nutritious-content starved for those. All that yet another Hollywood remake of Little Women actually means -- starved. Nourish the Gorgon beast. Beware the monster's shiny eyes and many poison serpent tangles; those are lively flesh to rigid stone statue to gravel, dust, and ashes makers.

[ December 20, 2018, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
So, I'm thinking Nick Robinson as Cale and Lyrica Okano as Akima...
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Twas the night before Christmas and all thorough the treehouse not a creature was stirring, not even a . . .someone? Anyone? What the bleedin' heck rhymes with treehouse?

Phil.

PS. It's already the 25th here in the Land of Oz. We get in early.

Cheers and best wishes.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Leigh spouse
Bee louse
Ghee souse
Key mouse
Pea grouse
Tea blouse
Free douse
-hard E | -ouse

A rhyme dictionary to all and to all a raucous Public Domain day. After a twenty-one-year public domain entry hiatus, January 1st, 2019, all copyrights registered for 1923 first publication and maintained lapse en masse. A next harvest reaps each successive New Year's day annually, for the duration forward: 1924's intellectual properties, 1 January 2020, etc. Another milestone expires 2073, works by creators deceased seventy years since the 2003 Copyright Act passed join the public property domain annually.

[ December 25, 2018, 12:38 AM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Three cheers for public property. Join the Marxist/Lemonist revolution. Comrades.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Merry Christmas, anybody.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Sorta, kinda gave up coffee today. Two cups with breakfast, then nothing but cups of tea. Staying awake seems to be an issue.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"None for me, thanks. Keeps me awake."
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Received a package today, unordered, not a clue why. Uh-oh. Mail bomb? Validated the thing wasn't before opened. Sender return address looked up, from a company whose website I visited a month prior and only looked for one item and decided no. Not the item received. One of which I already have and only used for about a week. Too imprecise a tool for my wants. Cost about $$, plus $ shipped and handled.

Oh, from one site visit, the company tracked my IP and street address and sent the useless thing for a promotion gimmick. I'm more disturbed now. Data miners co-opted my private contact information through nefarious means. If I was of a mind to -- two can play at that. How about I send the company owner a blank leaf of letter paper inside a box of Styrofoam confetti? Nah, not worth the while.

[ December 29, 2018, 10:19 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
With: 'Postage to Pay'.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Re: the traditional way is to send them endless bricks with insufficient postage, then move up to a dead gopher and a recipe for dead gopher stew.
 
Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
Just remember that the rain in Spain falls mainly on the Spaniards.

And the slake-moths.

Except it just kinda partially passes through them what with being partially dimensionally out of phase or whatever the crap.

We need a Perdido Street Station movie.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Now, now. Let's not encourage anyone to rattle Corporate Cages. They usually have Barracudas (lawyers) inside.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
However, brainstorming for a possible story (or even a story challenge) would be appropriate.
 
Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
Oh, I'm sorry KDW. I didn't know a statement like that was a potential problem. That was just me idly mentioning a want, I didn't realize it could lead to legal troubles.

Though I have seen Internet-based fan interest make movies and TV shows happen (or continue, like Lucifer) but if it's an issue I'll make sure not to do it again.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Ms. Dalton Woodbury refers to harassment by mail referenced above, each satiric, not meant to be really done. Illegal, actually, and as well subject to civil suits. Nor would I suggest any of several ways around both. My few rare pranks tend to succeed as designed, and laughable for all and sundry; when emulated by others, things go awry, for they know not my elaborate attentions to devilish details, like legal matters.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
extrinsic is correct, MerlionEmrys. My post was intended to appear before your post, but it didn't work out that way.

Besides, whatever it was you were trying to say when you posted didn't make sense to me anyway. (The meaning of the message could be argued to be what was received, not what was sent.)
 
Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
Ohhhh okay...I thought that was kinda weird. Quite a delay there.

The first part was intentionally nonsensical.

The middle parts only make sense if you've read Perdido Street Station.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
That time delay is weird. I did not see your post before I posted mine, and I'm sure the time passage was not that great.
 
Posted by MerlionEmrys (Member # 11024) on :
 
It's the ghosts, related perhaps to the ghosts that drive the Ubers.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
42 degrees tomorrow. Bright sunshine too, and me out in it for 7 hours with no protection other than sunscreen and a couple of litres of water. Welcome back, Australia's summer.

Added later. Seems like it's only one day. Not much of a summer after all. The again, last week, 200 kms north of me, they had five days over 45. Maybe I'm just lucky?

Nah!

Phil.

[ January 03, 2019, 03:47 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Bald numbers and numerals sans context labels leave doubt open and ask readers to infer, right, wrong, or other. Age? Birthday salutations due?

55° (Fahrenheit) hereabouts today. Numerically tops 45° whatever, though Celsius, of course, "degrees" and accompanied by metric distance measurement, from texture wrap intimates seasonally hot southern hemisphere summertime, not mild northern hemisphere wintertime, nor age, or other.

Kelvin? 45°C to 318°K; 55°F to 286°K. So hotter by 32°K Downunder's local summer temperature today than today's hereabouts temperate zone northern hemisphere winter temperature. Kelvin's simplest conversion is plus, zero, or minus °C and 273°.

Or 45°C to 113°F; 55°F to 13°C. Besides, extreme low or high humidity is what's most brutal, really. Temperature, humidity, and airflow velocity add up to "heat index," a misnomer for evaporative tactile sensation of temperature, etc.

Réaumur? Remur anglicized, is a fermenter's temperature scale: beer, wine, liquor mash, bread, cheese, and also cooked sugar syrups' "brix," carmelization, and brittleness degree. 0°R is the freeze point of water; 80°R is the boil point. No point to speak of other obscure scales, Rankine, Rømer, Newton, or Delisle, except for prose research and application purposes.

[ January 03, 2019, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
10 years it's taken, but I've finally cracked the secret of the perfect risotto. It's all about how you treat the rice. You need to massage out the starch so you get the perfect soupy porridge effect. I can get every last drop of liquid off the plate with just a fork. With a bit of butter, some onion, a splash of extra dry vermouth and a sprinkle of grated Parmesan; Heaven on a plate.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Neapolitan kin of mine rinse cooked rice while hot regardless of recipe, dissolves surface starch capsules. If rice cools, though, starch capsules close. No liquid change and limited amount if for risotto. Peculiar that risotto technique preserves al dente and silky rice texture contrast. Risotto technique, any way rinsed rice, is inapt for sushi rice and chopstick cuisine in general.

Other cuisines, rinsed or unrinsed rice is the question. For fluffy al dente rice, no rinse, and sear with hot fat (ghee or butter) or oil to coat hot rice, a tablespoon or so per cup cooked rice, after a fifteen minute rest so starch capsules close.

[ January 05, 2019, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
A first-time ask for grammar expertise in support of a parliamentary hearing defense came up this past week for me. Don't know whether to be perplexed, disturbed, or delighted.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I guess the emotional response would depend on who you are defending, and why. There are people I'd rather see burn than be accorded due process. Where’s the Torquemada when you need them?

Phil

I have a little list of people who won't be missed.

[ January 06, 2019, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Neither claimant nor respondent prevailed, nor arbiter panel. For my part, defense of apt pronoun usage presented per formal or informal, esoteric or exoteric, register, due deference, and decorum, discourse community centripetal or centrifugal social situation. No side satisfied, each stipulated agreement to the presentation's criteria, though.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Damn all mind-altering medications! I had my heart set on continuing to develop my short story and here I've been spending the past five days developing recipes. True, the rewards are immediate and sustaining, even delicious, but do they finish a story? NO!

I could have cluttered up the NSG thread bandwidth with this tirade, but that wouldn't be useful. Who wants to hear about my travails?

I did, however, find a sound clip of a tolling bell, HERE it tolls. But this is the internet; all content is suspect, faked, derivative, or downright concocted. I'm still going to contact the bell ringers.

Phil.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thanks, Phil. Cool to hear.

It seemed to me that the tolls weren't quite regular, but if they depended on a human bell ringer, they probably wouldn't be exact.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The sound clip sounds distorted, a flawed bell maybe, too much like an iron bell, not the sweet harmonics of a well-founded bronze bell. Also, a funeral tell death knell should have a muted clap every other stroke, not each toll the same. The pace is okay. Maybe the distortion is due to a recorded regular service tell that is sound-studio slowed to a funeral pace for solemn effect and affect. When a sound record is slowed from actual recorded speed, distortions are inevitable, and pitch drops to a lower note -- from bronze to iron?

Best way I overcome psychotropic medications' distractions is to sneak up on writing or other art or chore. The same distraction circumstance though a diversion to good effect, really. Oh just a word or two for a moment, several thousand words and a few hours later . . . Then occasion for evaluation.

[ January 08, 2019, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I, too, noticed the distortion. That’s why I noted the unreliability of stuff you read, or hear, on the Internet. The bell ring was a little higher in pitch than I would have expected, although, perhaps a bronze bell would give a deeper timbre. On Black Sabbath’s self titled album Black Sabbath the first track, ironically titled Black Sabbath, there is a tolling bell in the background. It has a higher pitch than the sample in the link I posted. Maybe that supports extrinsic’s notion the bell in the clip is iron.

As for your suggestion, extrinsic, that I simply kid myself into writing a few words and that might lead to pages, all I have to say is this, “If only it were that simple.”

I am right at the point in the story where Jonas is confronted by the Lord of Hell, who relentlessly torments him; not physically but with rude mockery and ridicule. This mini-scene within the scene goads Jonas from self pity into rebellion. A thing I’m not certain Satan wanted. It’s the pivot of the whole story: the argument between Jonas and Satan. I need my game face on for this one.

But more on this when I post in NSG for this week, or maybe the next one. My roast beef last night was scrumptious.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The 1970s British miniseries version of Dorothy L. Sayers's "The Nine Tailors" featured extensive tolling bells. But the sound quality is what you'd expect from 1970s TV.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
If you find your soy dipping sauce is too salty add the mearest rumour of sesame oil. For added complexity, try a whiff of honey as well. Who needs a chemistry set?

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Made the first Statue of Liberty sighting yesterday, but only caught a glimpse; wasn't there when I went by again about a half hour later. They're running a little late this year.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy old guy:
If you find your soy dipping sauce is too salty add the mearest rumour of sesame oil. For added complexity, try a whiff of honey as well. Who needs a chemistry set?

Phil.

The old standby hereabouts is raw peeled potato absorbs excess salt -- like a sponge.
 
Posted by WarrenB (Member # 10927) on :
 
On dipping sauce:
I wish Grumpy old guy and extrinsic were on the same continent... I'd happily donate to make this cooking show a reality! :-)
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Says a third continent!
 
Posted by WarrenB (Member # 10927) on :
 
You have global appeal! (Now we just need Eurasia... Then I can get working on a proposal to Netflix.)

[ January 14, 2019, 01:11 AM: Message edited by: WarrenB ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
9 at night and it's still 32 degrees. That's Celsius for the uninitiated; you only specify scale for measurements that aren't in Celsius.

Two days of this so far, and at least two more to go. Got to love summer.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
U.S. and other broad regional enclave public discourse differs. Fahrenheit for those is default, and often unspecified. International overall is one primary and one parenthetical to span all audiences.

32°C (90°F) overnight low.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
We've been hovering around the other most common kind of 32 degrees.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
That's for me, kdw. I worked a couple of seasons at Australia's Antarctic base, oh so many years ago. I like the cold.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Down in the upper forties this morning---in Southwest Florida. That's freezing for this area. And it's Fahrenheit for the rest of you.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
5C here when I walked home from work two nights ago. warmed up a little to snow. Been in the negs with wind chill some days.

W.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Positive sighting of a Statue of Liberty this week: same location.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
For some strange reason (possibly a new and interesting side effect of my meds this time) I have started going all eco-frindly. I'm now trying to eliminate my use of plastics in the kitchen. Isn't as hard as it sounds. I remember the good old days when mum would wrap my sandwiches in greaseproof paper. Just as good as plastic wrap.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Waxed paper, as known hereabouts, breathes, prevents soggy bread sandwiches. Craft workers also love waxed paper for its less cumbersome than plastic static cling wrap use, known as cellophane by another dialect, which lets go at the most inopportune occasion, plus, an equivalent release paper for glues and resins. Greaseproof paper hereabouts is a silicone-sized parchment paper -- the baker's parchment paper -- used to line fried food service ware, which waxed paper does passably, too, though inapt for baker's paper cookie sheet uses, okay for cake and brownie pan liners.

The hot-dog suit guy and tax preparer Statues of Liberty appeared hereabouts the 11th.

The plant lamp and regular sunlight walks have done okay: lower blood calcium, lower cholesterol, higher mean platelet volume, higher metabolic vitamin D, and less itchy skin.

Continental deep freeze descends later this weekend.

[ January 19, 2019, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
The 4th night over 25c and the third day over 37c. One more day to go,then 26 or so. The local ants were raiding my birdbath for water the last four days as well.

Climate change? Don't make me laugh.

Found love today, also. And promptly lost it, I reckon

Phil.
 
Posted by drew (Member # 11149) on :
 
Cheese is food not friend.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Happy U.S. tax day mirth -- grief, pride, whatever. What proverbial they say about death and taxes.
 
Posted by Princesisto (Member # 11113) on :
 
I am guessing that this is the right place to put this:

Did you hear that the magazine of the father of this site, "The Intergalactic Medicine Show" is being phased out by July 2019?

As my Princess would say, "I'm bruised and battered."

Yet another institution passes into the wilderness: we are losing all of our bearings.

That magazine, which rejected my submissions more than once, was one of the reasons that I came to this site. I actually thought "Orson" (Did anyone ever watch Mork & Mindy) was the Administrator! If you want to call me a "Cardisto", yeah, the shoe fits.

Eulogies are invited. You probably know more about the mag than I do.

P
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Our host Orson Scott Card encountered health complications that want for more simplified life activities.

--- Get well soon, best-wishes' Intergalactic digital flowers and cards, too, Orson Scott Card, sir.
 
Posted by Princesisto (Member # 11113) on :
 
Oh my God! I didn't know about that.

All the best, Mr Card! Get well soon!
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Here, in the Land of Oz, we are at the tail-end of national elections; three weeks to go. As a postie it is my job to deliver all the promotional cr#p politicians think people are interested in: "Hi, I'm really nice and will do a good job. Please vote for me and my faux-progressive, ultra-conservative bunch of nutters."

As a result, my observations on submissions here may be a bit spotty until the wankers win or loose. Please, please loose.

I am seriously re-thinking the benefits of democracy. The Venetian model of the Benevolent Dictatorship might be nice.

Phil.

[ April 29, 2019, 07:48 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by Princesisto (Member # 11113) on :
 
My understanding is that the Liberal-National coalition have played out their scripts and have now fallen to bits and pieces, taking three different stands on every issue so they cannot actually govern.

They do that every ten to fifteen years, as I understand, although it happened faster this time. In such cases, then the Labor Party have to come to power for 3 to 6 years, until their opponents sort themselves out.

It's just how Aussie politics works, isn't it? I think the system works rather well, from a distance. When it bogs, it resets itself.

At least you don't have the fragmented system we have in New Zealand, of shifting coalitions with no one taking any notice of what the people think and nothing much getting done.

P
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Partial party pols get too often lost in the weeds among their self-promotions, hidden personal agendas on behalf and behest of their partial constituents, and actual impartial and responsible, if any, governance proposals.

The people would rather pols realize folk only want, really, John Locke's ideals of to be left alone to each's self-governance responsibilities and privileges within the boundaries of Natural Law. Then the whole of a government's only obligations are to prevent, mitigate, or judge and prosecute boundary trespasses and promote the general welfare.

For mill grist? When political ideals clash, much frivolity, wickedness, drama, contest, blame assignment, sorrow, and ostentatious chest thump displays of utter conquests at the expense of the meek's zero-sum losses. Or the meek shall rise.

"loose," say it is not so. Freudian slip? Another crop of dirty pols loosed again upon society's boundary squabblers?

[ April 29, 2019, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by WarrenB (Member # 10927) on :
 
Our next elections are on 8 May. 25 years into democracy, South Africa is in a difficult – though never boring – spot.

I'm torn between a felt obligation to vote and a deep distaste for most of what's on offer. And sharing your doubts about democracy, Phil – though I'm not sure there're any good alternatives. Who would we trust to stay benevolent?

(Segue into Iain Banksian fantasy of efficient and humorous AIs running everything that matters and leaving people to do what they excel at – making creative messes. Sadly, our local connection speeds are too slow for this to work just yet... Waiting hopefully for fibre sometime this century. :-)
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Thoughts for political thriller and dystopia story mill grist; a basis or so about republican democracies of several types, whether federal-centered, confederated, subsidiarity, or decentralized:

Everyone is on a self-governance honor system: Life and the origination deity may not tolerate burdensome free-will privilege and responsibility restrictions.

Anyone whose misconduct rises above the trivial fray is subject to public exposure and government correction and castigation, fines and penalties, and/or a time apart from civil society, or the ultimate shun of all.

Within a class's stratified tier, a cohort or kinship group independently, separate from government agencies, cautions, corrects, or castigates perceived peer or kin misconduct, or otherwise shuns such miscreants --- and especially wish oh so very much the mischief of others does not expose their own ostentatious misdeeds to the public or to government scrutiny.

[ May 03, 2019, 02:38 AM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by WarrenB (Member # 10927) on :
 
Sounds familiar... A bit like the apartment building I grew up in (except perhaps that 'ultimate shun').
 
Posted by drew (Member # 11149) on :
 
Pondering my opening, again, for Roses of Lore, I wondered "What if we switched the teen protagonist and the sweet old lady, and put the old mind into a new young body in a fantasy world?". It would take the story in a wildly different direction, but it was an interesting direction. Then I thought, what if it was the crusty old sailor transported into the body of a young girl in a fantasy world.... 0_0 That could be a comedic riot, or super cringe. Just random musings that won't go anywhere for me, but for you? Why, you could make the wind cry. [Smile]
 
Posted by WarrenB (Member # 10927) on :
 
VOTING FOR JULIA CHILD or GÉNOISE IS ALL WE NEED

Last night I decided to stop and really think about the South African elections coming up on Wednesday...

Shall I follow my heart and avoid the whole debacle? Because I don’t, anymore, believe in a single party that's running, or in the system itself.

Or follow my guilt, and vote because I should?

Or follow the advice of savvier friends and vote strategically? (Against what's wrong, rather than for what's right.)

After much wheel-spinning, and just to calm my nerves, I turned the TV on. And who should appear, but ... Julia Child!

She said, 'Use wild boar, or whatever you happen to have around the house.'

She referred to the ‘interstices of an apple pie.’ (I swooned.)

She assured me that *everything* needs buttering, and is better when rested and chilled. (My God, she’s right!)

She said, 'It rises by egg-power alone!' (Ah, if only that were so!)

And concluded, 'Baste until the flames, and the applause, subside.'

I feel much better now. Nothing is resolved, but perhaps génoise is all we need.

<I have no idea what this is, which is why I'm putting it on a page with 'random' in the title.:-)>

[ May 07, 2019, 12:43 AM: Message edited by: WarrenB ]
 
Posted by telflonmail (Member # 9501) on :
 
WOTF 35 Digital @AMZ for .99USD today
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Writers of the Future is still going. I was wondering why there hasn't seemed to be any interest in it lately.
 
Posted by Princesisto (Member # 11113) on :
 
Warren

I'd be interested to know how you came down at the end.

This is probably controversial but it is a statement of fact: just as the votes of the majority of residents did not count before 1994, I think probably the votes of the white minority cannot actually change any election results in South Africa, except perhaps in the Cape at Provincial level.

The Xhosa-Zulu basis of today's ANC probably means that they cannot be defeated. The Economic Freedom Fighters' attempt to restructure politics on ideological lines appears to have earned a shrug of the shoulders from the millions of ANC voters.

So relax, do whatever makes you happy . . . it probably can have zero effect.

P
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Crickey. A 12 hour day peddling pollie's panderings. Pha! Four days to go then utter relief.

Phil.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Free and honest elections entail a plurality of contradictions. The more evident one for prose's purposes is every vote does count; one vote doesn't count among the many; if most everyone thought that way, one vote would count large as one of several few votes cast.

Nonetheless, locales where voting is optional, the average election cycle rate amounts to a fifth of eligible voters' participation. Many of the four-fifths remainder believe nonparticipation is a vote, too, of blanket nay. Nope, such is how local election outcomes are manipulated and thus infest larger area election outcomes. So republican democracy elections and representative government represent only the contentious wills of the one-fifth echelon who vote.

Isaac Asimov, "Franchise," 1955, "Multivac" annually chooses one eligible citizen to represent the entire electorate for all local, regional, state, and federal elections. However, Norman Muller, the honored citizen of 2008, doesn't actually vote his choices, as if he were given choices, rather, proudly, after a several-hour session of questions, like "What do you think of the price of eggs?" Muller answers, "I don't know the price of eggs." more or less dittos Multivac's presupposed, preprogrammed decisions. A commentary satire about the uninformed, unaware, indifferent, blissful innocence of the common electorate.

Isaac Asimov, "Franchise," If: World of Science Fiction, August 1955: pages 2 - 15, Archive.org, PDF images.

[ May 13, 2019, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Princesisto (Member # 11113) on :
 
Kathleen,

If you want us to be interested, shouldn't you tell us what it is first?

I really liked "Children Of The Future" (Gaia Cauchi, 2014) maybe I would like "Writers Of The Future", if it's a song.

See how much I know about it?

P
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The L. Ron Hubbard Writers and Illustrators of the Future is two quarterly contests for amateur artists and writers at the threshold of professional status. The contests propel aspirants into competitive content producers more than any other science fiction and fantasy venue.

Quarterly winners receive trophies, monetary awards, a week-long workshop seminar, travel from anywhere across the globe to and from Los Angeles and residential hotel expenses included, several meals, too, one, an awards banquet, and paid publication in the annual anthology published by Galaxy Press.

An annual Golden Pen Grand prize winner is announced at the end of the workshop week awards ceremony, and receives a grand prize monetary award and the Golden Pen trophy. More than a few winners observe that winning the contest expanded their publication opportunities beyond usual avenues and expectations.

Author Services, Inc., a literary agency that also represents Hubbard's literary properties, coordinates the contest from its Hollywood headquarters. The contest, Galaxy Press and Bridge Press, L. Ron Hubbard publisher, and Author Services are wholly owned, independent, for-profit subsidiaries of the Church of Spiritual Technology, (Scientology), in part sponsored by an L. Ron Hubbard trust endowed for the contest purposes, which earns revenues from the contests and anthology as well.

The current coordinating judge, submission screener, as it were, is Dave Wolverton, also known as David Farland. Standout science fiction and fantasy writers judge blind submissions from Wolverton's finalist selections for determination of quarter finalists; win, place, show quarterly; and then the one annual winner from the four quarterly first places.

The anthology publication business information is generally kept confidential, though annual copy sales run somewhere north of 50,000, the total of all U.S. science fiction and fantasy digest copy distribution, more since the book format switched from mass market paperback to trade paperback and distribution extended to online booksellers. Anecdotal estimates approximate twenty-five hundred or so submission entries received per quarter, many of which fail for basic submission guidelines faults, nine-tenths according to some anecdotal estimates. Though actual total compensation revenue varies per individual winner, a Golden Pen winner averages about $7,500-plus USD or so all told of taxable income U.S.: travel, board, a few meals, workshop, monetary prizes, trophies, paid publication, $500.00, etc.

Typescript length is up to 17,000 words, blind judged; an average length is eight or so thousand words.

The L. Ron Hubbard Writers and Illustrators of the Future website hosts more contest and content information, and hosts an attendant blog and a Bulletin Board forum. Contest entry submissions are accepted through an Author Services' proprietary online management system. Joni Labaqui is the Author Services writers' contest director.

[ May 13, 2019, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thank you, extrinsic.
 
Posted by Princesisto (Member # 11113) on :
 
Thank you, Extrinsic for the very full answer.

I have to study this!

P
 
Posted by Princesisto (Member # 11113) on :
 
First issue that comes to mind: L Ron Hubbard, the father of Scientology?

Controversial at least, I daresay, without at all wanting to get into a religious debate. I think all religions would agree that Scientology is controversial, even Scientologists!

I thought this was a Mormon site: Mormons, do you feel 100% relaxed about endorsing participation in what may be a Scientology operation? Would you feel totally happy to win this contest and maybe get linked with Scientology?

Yes, I know L Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer and apparently a good one. I even think I read one of his books before I knew about his later activities.

Yet give me a chance to win an Orson Scott Card award or an L Ron Hubbard award and I should much prefer to be associated with Uncle Orson!

I am very much open to reasoned argument and information on the above points. I am just stating some instinctual concerns that I am sure are not mine alone.

P
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Our host Orson Scott Card has judged several of the WotF contests. The roll call of WotF judges reads likewise: numerous judges without a preeminent membership card to any particular exclusive clubs except science fiction and fantasy.

Nor is Hatrack a Mormon site. I'm not. Nor is any religious test a prerequisite for Hatrack or the culture. Nor is any religious or political agenda foremost here. Other than sacred creative expression and prose pages.

Participation in the WotF contest or any facet of science fiction and fantasy culture, all of publication culture, does not endorse any agenda per se above another, other than literature's celebration.

Though recent years have seen several trivial political movement slates and factions within science fiction and fantasy culture attempt to define membership by narrow, self-absorbed, petty ambits, to exclude whole swaths of social segments, to force their pathetic publication ambitions and opportunities above others', and failed miserably, as does their mediocre writing. Irrespective of if anyone or I would wish otherwise -- like life -- literature takes all kinds.

[ May 14, 2019, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Deep suspicion of the backers kept me from submitting to the contest more than a couple of times, and those long ago now. Swore off it when I got Scientology junk mail. And if SF literary success meant going through it, I'd just as soon pass.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Part of how I separate yada from my personal sphere, if indicated, or include, as it were, is learn as much as is available and practical about yada and forge transcendence strategies from consequent metastable personal opinion positions. Anecdotes and jurisprudence documents about yada's and yadas' shenanigans and consequences are abundant and legend.

Apart from Dianetics's fodder-all, Hubbard's unique Objectivism species contrast-compared to Ayn Rand's and others', as well as the belief system's conventions and bases, occasions convoluted investigations and singular conclusions: a warped "the chosen one" -- out of many, one (E pluribus unum, a motto of the U.S.: out of many states, one country) -- self-fulfillment prophesy and survivorship bias.

Rand's objectivism, Gene Roddenberry's, and about as contrary opposite warped as can be, Hunter S. Thompson's, too, to name a few other objectivists.
 
Posted by WarrenB (Member # 10927) on :
 
Princesisto – a reply to your question from many comments back:

I skipped it. Things 'just feeling wrong' may be a poor basis for political decision making, but it was the only basis I had for my decision not to vote last week.

As you say, the results were predictable, though I'm not sure ethnicity was a primary factor for most people. Race, history, tradition, a lack of options, the remnants of a powerful liberation narrative, plus our local version of the slowly-vanishing-centre (that seems to be a global phenomenon) all played their part though. No surprises, though the growth in the left and right wings is a little concerning.

Anyway, my issue wasn't really about whether my vote would make a difference. The guilt came from a sense of duty deferred. But then I rationalised thus: a fair amount of my work is at least democracy-adjacent, so I could claim a free get-out-of-guilt pass. (Do I think this holds water? No, but it sufficed at the time.)

Apol's if the above is a little incoherent. No time to edit myself today – deadlines loom and sleep is scarce.

Stay well. W.
 
Posted by Princesisto (Member # 11113) on :
 
Warren

Without having studied South African election participation rates, my guess is that your lot won.

In most democratic elections today, if the count is out of 100%, the abstainers win or at least have the plurality.

Of course, the countries that have compulsory voting, like Australia, are not included in this observation.

When New Zealand reformed our election laws in the 1990s, there was some discussion of putting a "None Of The Above" line on the ballot. Parliament did not dare! It would be like that Sex Pistols's song "Anarchy In The UK" had come true in New Zealand, when the "NOTA" line won every election.

IF politicians are evil, they are a necessary evil. As Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is a rotten system. But all alternatives are far worse."

P
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints along with Orson Scott Card, but I do not think I have ever done anything to make this forum a "Mormon" forum. So I'm confused by your assertion, Princesisto, that it is "a Mormon site."

There have been quite a few members of my church who have participated in and won the Writers of the Future contests, and therefore have been published in volumes of the Writers of the Future anthology. I was in volume 9 as a published finalist, and the latest volume is #35.

When I attended the week-long workshop, there was discussion of the writing practices of L. Ron Hubbard, but nothing about the practices of Scientology.

As for unsolicited mail, I recycled it.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Rest easy, kdw, I haven't seen any God botherers bible thumping around these here parts. Believe me, I'd notice.

Phil.

PS. No offence meant to anyone of 'faith'.

[ May 16, 2019, 07:20 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
No offence taken, Phil.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
quote:
Writers of the Future is still going. I was wondering why there hasn't seemed to be any interest in it lately.
For me. It's all about time. Between writing, work, and trying to get out and breathe fresh air. Very little time left. My friends have been twisting my arm to start dating again, and I tell them the same thing, no time. relationships require time and money investment. I have other goal priorities right now. They don't get it, of course. they're all part of that idi*t crowd that believes that anyone now can write a book and through it on amazon. It's not hard, they say. drives me crazy.

And on the other subject. I wouldn't be here if there was any sign this wasn't an open site and all are welcome. This site is pretty much the only one I bother with. The others have to much fluff and just tell you what you want to hear. The only way to get better/published is with the hard truth. I find that here.

My 2 cents.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Thank you, walexander. You just told me something I want to hear. [Smile]
 
Posted by telflonmail (Member # 9501) on :
 
TLLA 4 (The Long List Anthology Volume 4) Digital @AMZ (and other sites) for .99USD today
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
The Long List Anthology is edited by David Steffen of Diabolical Plots, an online science fiction and fantasy zine, and The Grinder, a submission tracker website, and an active Hatrack member between 2008 and 2013, member name steffenwolf.
 
Posted by Princesisto (Member # 11113) on :
 
To have said that this was a "Mormon site", in the sense that the originator and the administrator are both Mormons, was not at all a criticism, Kathleen and other Mormons. To say that something is a Mormon site does not mean that no one else is welcome. It is like a Catholic school: its origins are Catholic but many non-Catholics will send their children there because of its traditional values.

In fact, one of the reasons that I feel comfortable, even though not a Mormon, on this site is that it has some traditional values as standards, which comes partially from the Mormon influence. There are limits to what you can say about people here.

My point, about the contest, by the way, is that this is not a "Scientology site", as everyone will agree. The sight of Mormons promoting a Scientology operation like that contest seemed strange. And may I say, Kathleen, with all due respect, that the more that you and other contributors tell us about that contest, the more I see that the Scientologists are deep in with both feet propagandising in that contest, more than even I imagined. Yes, as you say, you can resist it. But people ought to know about that. I am glad that they do know now and can decide intelligently. In that sense, my comment, did achieve something. But I hope that it did not offend any Mormons, for whom I hold the greatest respect, as fellow believers in traditional values.

P

[ May 23, 2019, 01:32 AM: Message edited by: Princesisto ]
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
I'm agnostic and truly don't care about the faith behind any contest. My concern is with my writing career. The WOTF can be Scientologists or purple people eaters for all I care. Winning WOTF puts you on the map for agents and editors to see. Every contest, every judge, every editor, agent, publisher has their own guidelines and prejudices they bring to the table. That's just a fact of life. Winning any of the large contests gives your manuscripts a chance to move from the bottom of the slush pile, to just maybe, the eyes of someone who loves it. KDW's motivation about WOTF is based on this site has produced several different level winners of the contest. And those wins are very hard earned. I know, I've competed, and listened, read, and brain-stormed with the best of them. Politics and religions aside, just the act of competing sharpens a writers craft. My 2 cents.

And since we are talking contests, for all you self-published novelists here, don't forget to submit your self-published book to the
NSBP North Street Book Prize for Self-Published Books.
Contest submission ends on June 30, 2019
One grand prize winner will receive $3,000, a marketing analysis and one-hour phone consultation with Carolyn Howard-Johnson, a $300 credit at BookBaby, and 3 free ads in the Winning Writers newsletter (a $450 value)

W.
 
Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Note that faithful Latter Day Saints reject the labels Mormons or Mormon. Mormon is an ancient prophet-redactor who gave revelations to church founder Joseph Smith, somewhat comparable to Moses, Christ, Mohammad, Buddha, Brahma, etc.

Faithful Judean persons also refuse the secular label "Jews." Jewish, Judeans, not Jews, nor Moseses; Christians, not Christs; Muslims, not Mohammads; Buddhists, not Buddhas; Hindus, not Brahmas; and Latter Day Saints, LDSs, not Mormons.

Hence, such labels are blaspheme to those active of the respective faiths.

However, secular mass culture would impose shorthand, profane, stereotype, and objectionable labels upon and all sundry.
 
Posted by Princesisto (Member # 11113) on :
 
I never knew about that, extrinsic, e.g. that "Mormons" and "Jews" rejected those names, having heard them use such names about themselves. I sincerely apologise to any such persons whom I have offended.

As for calling Christians "Christs" and Buddhists "Buddhas", etc. that is just total confusion about grammar and I have never heard it done.

P
 
Posted by WarrenB (Member # 10927) on :
 
Hmmm. Has Hatrack gone to sleep? Or am I just not seeing new posts highlighted anymore...? Perhaps the coming of summer to the Northern hemisphere is the cause? Do you all move to wifiless beaches?

Just checking because I was planning to post a fragment for feedback late this week/early next... But wonder if anyone's out there? <out there?> <out there?> <out there?> ...

Hmmm. Echoes...
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I'm still here. Been sick, better now. Lots better. :-)

Phil.
 
Posted by WarrenB (Member # 10927) on :
 
Glad to hear it, Phil! I haven't been active here for a while – internet access issues while our house was renovated + deadlines + attempts at making social media work for me (so far, not a resounding success). But I do pop in to read posts pretty regularly. It's our North American colleagues who seem to have vanished. Mass abduction? The day the States shut down? Perhaps there's a story in it. :-) Stay well. W
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
I post when I think of something I can say about the issue in discussion.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I was just watching the very first episode of The Outer Limits and, guess what? It is based on a novella by George RR Martin. Who'd a thunk it?

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
"Sandkings," right?
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Yep. With Jeff and Beau Bridges and some of the worst acting on the planet.

Phil.

[ June 21, 2019, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
According to my quick research, Martin wrote two episodes. But, a point of order, the episode wasn't the "very first," but the first in a revival of a show from the sixties.

(Martin was active in "The Twilight Zone" revival and also "Beauty and the Beast.")
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Didn't know that. I have seven seasons and thought there was only the original and not any remakes of the series.

Phil.

PS. Sandkings is in two parts. It was also Lloyd Bridges, not Jeff.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, as I see it, the arc of Martin's career was:

He started out as a promising science fiction writer. Then a couple of Hollywood sales encouraged him to go out and get work in Hollywood, which pays well if you can get it, but just as often involves writing things that never get made. Then when that petered out, he decided to "me-too" onto the fantasy craze with "Game of Thrones." And he used that to get back into Hollywood.

I miss the promising science fiction writer.
 
Posted by telflonmail (Member # 9501) on :
 
My favorite Martin story is The Way of Cross and Dragon which is now forty year old this month. My second favorite is Sandkings published two months later. I guess my third favorite would be A Song for Lya. I haven't read him in years and never got into his fantasy work.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Well, I didn't read Game of Thrones because I've gotten weary of endless series that (1) never end, and (2) require you to read all the books to understand what's going on. I could also add (3) never publishing a final volume. I think there's a monologue or two around here about my dislike of that, be it science fiction or non-fiction. (A second but not final volume of Gary Gidding's Bing Crosby biography finally appeared late last year. But with biography there's often ways of finding things out from other works.)
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I have enjoyed some of George R. R. Martin's books - his take on vampires was interesting (FEVRE DREAM) and I liked DYING OF THE LIGHT.

I only read the first Game of Thrones book though - it drove me crazy that the first interesting character in the book (to me, at least) was stupid enough to get himself killed almost immediately. I thought Tyrion Lannister was also interesting, but not interesting enough for me to keep reading about his nasty siblings.

I also liked the BEAUTY AND THE BEAST television show that he was part of, and was sorry to see that cancelled.

He was on Henry Louis Gates Jr's FINDING YOUR ROOTS recently, and it was interesting to see what surprising things about his family could be discovered using DNA. I hope he followed up on what they told him.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Since joining Hatrack I have only been half the writer I was. The drive to learn the craft and better understand the processes needed to tell a story well was, and still is, there. However, the spontaneous creative flair and drive to actually write a unique and compelling tale was missing. My own stupid fault; I thought I could cure my problem through strength of will alone once I knew what it was like to be well. Wrong!

I have tried three previous times to recapture the circumstances which gave me an inestimable gift. I’ve finally managed it; don’t ask me how. Fate? Maybe.

All I know is this: All of a sudden on Tuesday last week the churning ocean that is my storytellers mind suddenly reawakened with a passion. Countless story/plot/character possibilities were forming, coalescing, shifting and moving, changing and, bumping into others, dissolving to form new and exciting combinations. Think of this as a writer’s case of extreme OCD. All the world falls away as I wallow in story choices and pass the day operating on auto-pilot, even when working. Ah, the agony and the ecstasy. No wonder I was manic when it all went away.

Is this what it feels like when you get the idea for a story?

Phil

[ July 13, 2019, 03:54 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Can't understand it; when temperature gets around 40F all I can do is eat and try and NOT fall asleep. I'm not always successful at the last. Huh? Where did that half hour go?

Phil.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Maybe you're part reptile (I'm part dragon) and you just get sleepy when it gets cold.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
You may be right, but which type? I'm certainly not a skink or gecko; a monitor lizard perhaps. Biggest one I can think of is the Komodo Dragon.

Phil.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
Komodo dragon sounds good to me. [Smile]
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I‘m tired. So very goddamn tired. Up until about 10 months ago I was working 5-6 hours a day leaving me a lot of time to think about writing, and also do a bit now and then. That all changed when I realised I had to plan for my financial future for the next 40 years, or so. I needed money. More importantly, I needed lots more money in my investment portfolio so it would support me in my retirement. Now I’m working 10-11 hours a day and stuffing money in said account.

Which is why I’m tired.

If you factor in the mechanics of life it works like this: 10 hours work, 7 hours sleep, 3 hours cooking, eating and cleaning, and, 1 hour for just sitting and scratching my navel. This leaves me 3 hours a day for writing, thinking about writing or critiquing; but if I’m tired, just how much of that is worth it? Just saying.

It’s also the reason I’m probably a lot grumpier than usual.

Phil.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
i faced a similar conundrum. A few of my male friends passed away in there 50's and 60's hardly touching any retirement. i ended up plagued with worry, what if i spend all this time and energy saving for something i never get to enjoy? i decided to shift my priorities to open up space in life so as to enjoy some of it in the here and now just in case my future is a brief one.

When i think of all the years i put life on hold, dutifully working toward the future, ignoring possibilities in pursuit of money, and the cheese at the end of the maze. two marriages down and a bought with deadly cancer that almost killed me, woke me up, to look around with new eyes, and re-prioritize. But that's me, we each have our own path's.

But I will say this. Two of my best friends, more healthier, better insurance, fit as fiddles. both died in the last two months, quick natural deaths, that shocked everyone. Death is a merciless bast*rd that doesn't care about your money, your ethics, or your age. Will take someone eight as easily as eighty. Best to give death the respect it is due and live life while you can. That doesn't mean don't save for the future, just don't make that your sole priority, or you could find yourself greatly disappointed in the future outcome.

just a thought,

W.
 
Posted by walexander (Member # 9151) on :
 
Never really noticed it, but i kind of have a dislike about 1st person. I don't like books in first and I don't like to write in first.

I noticed this when i was rereading an old story of mine that was in first. It's funny how first makes you really kind of feel you are writing a story about yourself, not someone else.

Just a funny note about a glitch in my internal software. Not really worth the discussion thread.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Long dormant thread, but any longtime readers might remember...

I'm claiming first sighting of a Statue of Liberty.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
I've never really understood the cultural significance of this. Then again, the Interhoax is full of quirky anthropologic oddities.

Phil.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
In case you hadn't noticed 13 million acres of Australia have been burnt to a crisp. To put it in context that's 6 times the size of the fires in California this year and it's only the first month of summer here.

Welcome to the brave new world of global warming.

Phil
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
Blame the greens, not global warming.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
Of course, how silly of me. The greens arranged a four year drought and then orchestrated a series of extreme weather events of unprecedented strength and ferocity. I must be stupid for not seeing it.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
The greens saw to it that living in the wilderness wasn't managed---brush not cleared, utilities not upgraded, and so on.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
That was actually our fearless leaders in Government. Too afraid to act.

Phil.
 
Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
True. The fires in Australia are the fires in California writ large.
 
Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I can't speak for the whole world, but I know there are many people who are praying for Australia, and grieving for the terrible losses.

We have heard that there has been some rain. I pray it will continue, and that it will be enough to make a difference.
 
Posted by Grumpy old guy (Member # 9922) on :
 
First: 100 or so firefighters have arrived from the US and Canada over the last few days. Heartfelt thanks to all of them.

Yes, there has been drizzle over the last few days (about 5mm) but not enough to dampen the fires. What it does do is give the firefighters a bit of a rest and time to try and strengthen containment lines etc.

Thanks to all for their thoughts.

One last thing: Friday we expect more 43C heat which may come with strong winds. Bugger!


Phil.

[ January 08, 2020, 04:28 AM: Message edited by: Grumpy old guy ]
 


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