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dckafka
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posted April 07, 2006 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dckafka   Click Here to Email dckafka     Edit/Delete Message
Looking for comments on an opening. Does this work?
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Dorn decided he really needed to invest in a Walkman or an iPod.

It was the chewing that drove him mad. The screams were disturbing; very hard to keep them out of out of his head, but they always stopped. Eventually. But the open-mouthed chewing and slurping, the breaking and sucking of bones went on and on. Now and then it made him a little crazy. Then he’d fling open the windows and scream at the pale figures hunched in the shadows below. He’d throw crockery, books or ink-pots down at them; tell them he was trying to work, for shit sake, and to bugger off. Their round, luminous eyes turned upwards to look at him. Then, dismissing him as neither food nor a threat, they’d go back to their incessant feeding.

“You just can’t bloody go home again,” he growled as he searched the wardrobe for something he could cut up into ear plugs.

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Susannaj4
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posted April 07, 2006 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Susannaj4   Click Here to Email Susannaj4     Edit/Delete Message
I'm curious. I don't like your phrase 'for shit sake', seems like it should be 'for shit's sake'. And then he says to bugger off, which seems odd to me that he would throw the two terms together.


And the line
Then, dismissing him as neither food nor a threat, they’d go back to their incessant feeding.
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maybe

Dismissing him as neither food nor threat, they'd go back to their incessant feeding.
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The 'then's popped out at me.

I am curious though.

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Christine
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posted April 07, 2006 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christine   Click Here to Email Christine     Edit/Delete Message
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I just don't understand what's happening here.

First, the first paragraph was a single sentence, which can work if it's a good enough sentence, but why should I care that some guy wants a walkman or an ipod? I would expect something more from a sentence set apart in its own paragraph.

Second, I didn't connect until just a second ago that the reason he wanted a walkman was to block out noises. I don't know why, but somehow it just didn't come together in my mind when you started going on about random environmental noises in the next paragraph.

Third, I just figured out that something outside is eating something, but I'm not sure if its an animal that is eating or being eaten and I'm just confused.

On a positive note, now that I've read it through a second time and am piecing together more of what you mean, i think that, if anything like I'm imagining is going on, this guy's attitude is quite fascinating. But I don't think it would hurt his attitude to put a little bit more concise description in there. In fact, it might even help if he thinks nonchalantly of humans being eaten or of humans (zombies, vampires,...?) eating other things. Putting the actual words, whatever they are, into this paragraph, IMHO, adds to the creepiness of the character and adds more intrigue while alleviating confusion.

My two cents.


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Omakase
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posted April 07, 2006 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Omakase   Click Here to Email Omakase     Edit/Delete Message
An intriguing opening, but a few problems that I see.

The first line puts us in the present day, but the idea of throwing crockery and ink pots out the window seems to indicate a setting in the past.

A little too much British colloquialism jammed in at the end - shit sake, bugger, bloody (not sure what the last sentence means out of context)

The first sentence might work better at the end. There is enough mystery here that I would read further though.

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HSO
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posted April 07, 2006 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HSO   Click Here to Email HSO     Edit/Delete Message
The first line/paragraph might date your story. That doesn't mean you shouldn't use it, but only something you need to consider. Will anyone know what an iPod is ten, twenty, fifty years from now? Still, Walkmans have been around since before I was a teenager -- ages and ages ago -- so maybe... Again, something to keep in mind. Are there any alternatives?

As for the rest, it's bizarre enough to hook me. I sure hope what follows explains enough to keep me from putting it down. Yeah, the intro could be tightened up (see earlier comment about repetitive 'thens'), but it looks like it might be a fun story to read.

Good job on making it clear the MC is British/English/UK-ish by use of vulgar slang.

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TL 601
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posted April 07, 2006 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TL 601   Click Here to Email TL 601     Edit/Delete Message

I like this but if the pale figures are cats or something, I'm coming to your house to slap you with a glove.

(Just kidding!)

Just please don't let this be one of those *twist* things.

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Snowden
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posted April 07, 2006 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snowden   Click Here to Email Snowden     Edit/Delete Message
<Dorn decided he really needed.......

You might want to reassess the placement of that line. Specifically, put that line at the end of the second paragraph. Make it a summation instead of an opener. You start with a "normal line", segue into weirdness, back to normal.

Since we start out normal (ie, our natural state) and read a normal line (Walkman), you take us nowhere. The true impact of the first line is lost. Dorn is doing a normal thing. We do not realize how surreal his desires are until AFTER the second paragraph.

If we are shown this bizarre scene of chewing, pale things- and realize his "solution" is to buy a Walkman... now we are in a position to appreciate just how strange Dorn's reaction is.
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The second paragraph is confusing. My best guess is that it was "written for effect". It wasn't until you mentioned "pale figures" that I had any idea what was going on. I think your intent was for us to be thinking "what is all this chewing and sucking business then?" I did, but not so much in a good way.

I cannot be 100% sure, but I am reasonably certain- you could take what you have. Write it in the most sequential, normal, and understandable manner- and you would still have a humdinger. I am not sure if you need to try and be suspenseful or cagey.

Let me put it this way- I read it four times. I copied and pasted it around to make sure I "understood" what was going on. Nothing seemed to be lost- this is still a very interesting opening. You got weirdness, conflict, a pretty well developed character for only 13 lines. This is not a monster that need be cloaked in a shadow of prose.
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How many words is it? What is the genre?

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wbriggs
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posted April 07, 2006 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wbriggs   Click Here to Email wbriggs     Edit/Delete Message
What Christine said.

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wbriggs
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posted April 07, 2006 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wbriggs   Click Here to Email wbriggs     Edit/Delete Message
You can just tell us. As in,

Ever since the evil robot monkeys from outer space landed, Joe Bob stayed hidden in his apartment.

Time, place, situation, and we know who "they" are.

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Survivor
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posted April 07, 2006 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Survivor   Click Here to Email Survivor     Edit/Delete Message
I like it, though maybe I'm just crazy. Like Dorn

Okay, so the first line...I like that you set it apart, as though it defines not just the next paragraph but the next several paragraphs, as the ultimate solution to the problem that you'll be detailing. I hate that you mentioned an iPod, but that's just because I'm not big on Apple generally.

Then you get into why he wants some headphones, and at first I'm thinking that he's got some kind of schizophrenia. As the description continues, I find that while he may or may not be delusional in the ordinary sense, he's certainly worried about the wrong things here.

I'm fascinated. In a morbid way, to be sure, but still hooked. You skirt an interesting edge here, the line between a situation, albeit a mental/moral one, and a condition. But this opening drips with potential.

Horrible, sibilant, incessant dripping, but full of potential.

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sholar
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posted April 07, 2006 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sholar   Click Here to Email sholar     Edit/Delete Message
The British words are fine (but I am in a pretty international crowd so I didn't even think about it until someone pointed it out). Overall, I thought it was a really good hook, except kinda creepy. As said earlier, it better not turn out to be a bunch of cats.

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Dude
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posted April 07, 2006 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dude   Click Here to Email Dude     Edit/Delete Message
I'm hooked. I definitely would keep reading to find out what is going on, and why he has such a flippant attitude towards "the breaking and sucking of bones" outside his window. It's the protagonist's attitude that draws me in. As long as some answers come fairly quickly, you wouldn't lose me.

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Kickle
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posted April 07, 2006 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kickle   Click Here to Email Kickle     Edit/Delete Message
The second sentence is what threw me. "It was the chewing that drove him mad". The first time I read it, I did not realize you meant a chewing sound, I thought you meant that he was eating something. Once I figured that out the rest of it was interesting enough for me to read on.

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Woodie
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posted April 07, 2006 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Woodie   Click Here to Email Woodie     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with the sentiment that it would be nice to knew who the pale figures are. I personally could do without the first sentence completely. It puts me in the mood for something contemporary, but then to throw in something from a horror genre does not sit well with me.

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hoptoad
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posted April 08, 2006 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoptoad   Click Here to Email hoptoad     Edit/Delete Message
I like it the way it is but would want to know what they were pretty soon, but it won't kill me to wait a little.

[This message has been edited by hoptoad (edited April 08, 2006).]

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Homeworld
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posted April 08, 2006 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Homeworld   Click Here to Email Homeworld     Edit/Delete Message
I'm intrigued. What a grossly unpleasant little environment Dorn is in...

I would hope to get more description about who/what is doing all the disgusting feeding beyond the windows.

The "can't go home alone" line feels stilted and cliched to me at this point. Maybe it would work better for me later on, when I have a better sense of place and situation.

It seems that Dorn's world isn't completely overrun by these things, unless his contemplation of buying an iPod is purely sarcastic.

Personally, I would probably start with "It was the chewing that drove him mad." Unless the music player reference is more than just an ironic or sarcastic statement, for me it detracts from what is otherwise a pretty effective opening paragraph.

When is this set? "Walkman" and "iPod" make me think of the modern world, but "crockery" and "ink-pots" felt more archaic.

Overall, I think you have a very interesting opening. I definitely want to read more.

KMB

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Gingivere
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posted April 09, 2006 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gingivere   Click Here to Email Gingivere     Edit/Delete Message
Dorn is an interesting guy, to be sure. I'm also wondering just what these creatures are. They definitely sound pretty vicious, and the screams mentioned seem to indicate, at least to me, that they're eating something humanoid. I wonder why they don't view Dorn as food as well.

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Txindoki
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posted April 10, 2006 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Txindoki     Edit/Delete Message

Contains rude words - for those of a sensitve disposition:

"for shit sake, and to bugger off" & “You just can’t bloody go home again,”

These "britishisms" don't quite ring true. In the first phrase, as a foul-mouthed brit I'd probably use "for ****'s sake..." or more likely "for christ's sake", the latter usually when expressing frustration. For shit's sake leaps out of the page as an unnatural construction or worse, bowdlerism.

The second phrase has a funny rythm that just doesn't sound right, and I would leave the "bloody" out of it. Less is more in this case I feel.

Other than that, I for one want to know more!

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Txindoki
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posted April 10, 2006 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Txindoki     Edit/Delete Message
AH - looks like the F word is prohibited. Oops.

Sorry!

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Survivor
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posted April 10, 2006 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Survivor   Click Here to Email Survivor     Edit/Delete Message
Why can't people just read the user agreement? I know you saw it, you have to scroll to the button at the bottom and click to signal your agreement.

Anyway, American's also say "bloody". Many of them are quite a bit more likely to say that than to drop the F-bomb. And though I enjoyed Sean of the Dead, I would probably balk at that many uses of the F-word in print.

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tchernabyelo
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posted April 11, 2006 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tchernabyelo   Click Here to Email tchernabyelo     Edit/Delete Message
As a Brit of 46 years, I've never heard anyone say "for shit sake" (or "for shit's sake"), so if that's intended as a Britishism, it didn't ring true to me. "Bugger off" is perfect, and the image of someone leaning out of the window telling the flesh-eating creatures to "bugger off" because he doesn't like their incessant chewing noises is just a wonderful hook.

I am curious about the setting, but the conflict of "Walkman or iPod" with zombie flesh-eaters (plus the deft writing) is more than enough for me to read on and find out what's happening (I am afraid I really can't agree with wbriggs, here - the last thing I want is an initial explanation of how and why there are zombies (or whatever) outside Dorn's window, I want to be drawn in to the story first and allow the setting to coalesce naturally).

The one jarring note for me is that, although it's strongly implied that the creatures are eating humans, they don't see Dorn as "food" - if there's something that makes Dorn different (i.e. he's a robot or something) then we need to know that immediately.

I'd definitely read on.

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dckafka
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posted April 11, 2006 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dckafka   Click Here to Email dckafka     Edit/Delete Message
Some very good feedback here. Thanks all around. I've made some adjustments and am moving ahead with this piece. Once I've finished the first three chapters I'll post again looking for readers.

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