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Dark Warrior Member |
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quote: Second quote: [This message has been edited by Dark Warrior (edited November 12, 2009).] IP: Logged |
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Dark Warrior Member |
SF short story about a mission gone wrong when the crew have severe side effects after coming out of a long stasis. Point of view from a cyborg struggling through the emotions of his newly sentient mind, while dealing with the safety of the crew and a fleet commander that cares more about the mission, than their safety. IP: Logged |
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snapper Member |
Let's see what you have here, DW.
quote: I have problems with all three sentences but the biggest problem is they are unrelated. There is no flow in the prose. Only independent statements. Individually they all need work. He knew her eyes were blue, though he had never seen them. Don't who he is, who she is, or why the color of her eyes matters one bit. Studying the crew members quiet face through the cryogenic pod Rev waited patiently for her status update. Crew members of what? I believe 'face' needs an 's'. A comma should follow 'pod'. And who is this 'her'? He turned to the computer when he realized that it was late reporting to him This is clunky. I am sure you could axe the sentence entirely. It is filled with modifiers and an unecessary info-dump.
quote: Oooo, passive and clumsy speech tag. It would be better if you flipped it before the dialog but you could probably cut it completely.
quote: Computer dialog comes off as a bit stilted, even for a computer.
quote: cut speech tag, not needed.
quote: this information should be in with the first 'her'.
quote: half redundant, half info-dump. As it is, it doesn't work as a hook. You do have some of the pieces in place. As I see it, Rev must be a lonely guy in love with a frozen girl. If that is the case, build on that. IP: Logged |
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Dark Warrior Member |
Snapper...just noticed where you live. I went to Waterford Mott many many years ago. IP: Logged |
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snapper Member |
No joke! My daughter goes there now. You still live in the area? IP: Logged |
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Dark Warrior Member |
Couldn't you tell from sad writing skills that I am a Mott grad? I Sent you an email IP: Logged |
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arriki Member |
What hasn’t been covered by previous readers? crew members quiet face – crew member’s quiet face Why had he never seen them? This bothers me although I realize it could be an important story element – still, I’d like a hint why, right here, right now. You make a deal of that by putting it first. Has he boarded from some other ship or station?
And the computer – which/what computer? Also unclear to me. You seem to be missing the apostrophes -- one of the ship’s five crew Maura,-- a name but it is not clear reading through the first time that she is the one with the blue eyes. She is, isn’t she? There are anomalous readings with the dream sequencing of cryo-pod one. I am performing validation tests of the results – this sounds more like techno-babble. I am not getting a clear image here. I have to sit back and untangle what’s being said which is not something good in the first 13 lines (or any place, in my opinion) I know YOU see this as clear, but it is not to me as a reader IP: Logged |
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tchernabyelo Member |
How can you see a face as quiet? That (aside from the missing apostrophe) completely threw me. The expository dialogue tags feel very clunky, too, I'm afraid. Oh yeah, and caling the ship "Houston" feels like you are doing it just so you can have "Houston, we have a problem..." type dialogue. Which is distracting me. [This message has been edited by tchernabyelo (edited November 10, 2009).] IP: Logged |
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Dark Warrior Member |
quote: Thank you! Between the first 13 crits and my own self-analysis I have realized this is one of my biggest issues. I spent so many years in law enforcement where everything that I wrote was 'just the facts'. If the facts were A, B, and C then my report was written A.B.C. I am going to work hard on reinventing how I think and write, and I thank each of you in advance for your patience. Version 2 posted for feedback on if I corrected things positively or just created new issues. IP: Logged |
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arriki Member |
To me – it was not obvious that Rev was a computer or who the “their” of - after their research ship – is. He looked – um, now I’m wondering if Rev IS a computer? Is he some sort of cyborg or AI? This is not clear to me, and, as I proceed, it gets less clear. Rev kept - no, Rev had kept He wanted to learn from them – huh? Learn what? Since I do not know what he is I have no clear understanding what he expects to learn An indicator light on Maura's pod caught his attention as it... – he knows what that light means so inform the reader. Be specific. I agree. - Maura's quiet face – doesn’t work. The quiet just isn’t right. How about expressionless face? [This message has been edited by arriki (edited November 11, 2009).] IP: Logged |
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Architectus Member |
Take my advice for what it's worth. Perhaps try to have more back and forth, action/reaction. That is, first write about what is externally happening around Rev, and then write how he responds to it. The things I try to keep in mind when doing a rewrite are:
quote: With that in mind, I think the information you present in version 2, can be broken up into at least two paragraphs. BTW, version 2 is much better than version 1. I learn best by example, and it will be easier for me to just rewrite part of it to show what I mean. The story parts will be in red. [colR]After the Ventura left planet One to research planet Two, the AI system turned cyborg Rev on.[/col] That is the external. Notice too how more specific it is. State where the ship left from and is going to. I put planet One and Two has place holders. State what turned Rev on. Because I didn't know what turned him on, I went with AI system. I don't think there is a need to state that it is a research ship. We will figure that out as we keep reading. It keeps me wondering why the ship is going to planet Two. Now you should write Rev's reaction to the external stimuli, which is being turned on. [colR]Rev felt his circuits stall for exactly one billionth of a second, as he tilted his head in jerky movements. Within seconds he was moving smoothly again. He looked around.[/col] Now, go back to the external. Notice I mentioned that seven years have passed without saying it. [colR]Holographic displays and glowing buttons filled the walls of the medium sized room. Lined up against one wall, five humans were sleeping inside of pods that had clear covers. Each was dressed in tight suits.[/col] I took the opportunity to set the scene a bit, so I can imagine where the characters are in relation to each other and the environment. I purposely only called them pods, so that way I can reveal them to be stasis pods in the next paragraph without ever saying so. Now Rev's reactions. Induced dreams were needed to keep their minds occupied for the last seven years. And after keeping a careful watch on them for so long, Rev was eager to meet her and to meet all of them, to hear their voices, watch their actions, and to listen to their conversations. Because he could learn how to be human from them.[/col] I wanted to present all the information in story format, and to transition between ideas clearly. [colR]Then an indicator light on Maura's pod flashed.[/col] Rather than say it caught his attention, just say what the light did. In the next paragraph write his reactions. Does he have an automatic response? Does he have a willful body response? Does he have a verbal response? Does he have a thought response? I will see if I can do each one of those in that order. [colR]He moved back exactly an inch and tilted his head. "Maura, you're going to be okay." But he wondered if she would be.[/col] Here it is all together. [colR]After the Ventura left planet One to research planet Two, the AI system turned cyborg Rev on. Rev felt his circuits stall for exactly one billionth of a second, as he tilted his head in jerky movements. Within seconds he was moving smoothly again. He looked around. Holographic displays and glowing buttons filled the walls of the medium sized room. Lined up against one wall, five humans were sleeping inside of pods that had clear covers. Each was dressed in tight suits. Rev knew he must now wake them so they can begin their dangerous transition out of stasis. Curiously, he walked over to the pod on the far left and peered through the acrylic screen at Maura's expressionless face, a face of one sleeping and of one unawares. He studied her as he stroked the pod's cover. What was she thinking? Probably nothing. She was probably locked into an induced dream. Induced dreams were needed to keep their minds occupied for the last seven years. And after keeping a careful watch on them for so long, Rev was eager to meet her and to meet all of them, to hear their voices, watch their actions, and to listen to their conversations. Because he could learn how to be human from them. Then an indicator light on Maura's pod flashed. He moved back exactly an inch and tilted his head. "Maura, you're going to be okay." But he wondered if she would be.
When an indicator light on Maura's pod flashed, Rev moved back exactly an inch and tilted his head. "Maura, you're going to be okay." But he wondered if she would be.[/col] Anyway, these are some of the things I think about during my second revision. Then I do a pass for suspense and emotions. I do a pass for motivation, goals, and consequences. Then I do a pass for using the senses: smell, taste, touch. Only after I do all this do I worry about sentence structure. If this has helped at all, feel free to comment on my first 13 in the short stories section. IP: Logged |
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Dark Warrior Member |
quote: Thanks arc, I am focusing on the last two scenes of another project. Then I plan on revisiting the first 13 on this one, taking all the crits to heart. It's still nice to hear that I am at least making some improvement, even if it still needs a lot of work. I am excited about incorporating all you and others have said, and putting it into my own voice. Edit: BTW I've been watching youre youtubes on the writing model and graphic arts...very nice on both parts. Interested in the writing of course for myself, and getting my little nephew who loves to draw, introduced to digital programs.
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Architectus Member |
Ah, cool. You should have him check out http://www.digitalcanvas.net16.net That is where I keep links to different drawing and painting videos and will be adding more as time goes on. IP: Logged |
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Dark Warrior Member |
thank you, I checked that out from a link on one of your youtube info sections. He is only 12 but Im trying to nurture his interest and love for drawing. I have him draw faux covers for each of my stories. IP: Logged |
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