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Meredith Member |
Okay, I've come to the realization that I've got two ways to go with this story. And it will make a big difference to the kind of story I tell. This story has three main characters. Setting Varan/Varana aside (because I'm pretty sure I'm going to kill her off, which would make her a bad choice for main character), this could be Tia's story, or a balance of Tia's and Marcian's stories. I don't think (right now, at least) that I want to write it as primarily Marcian's story. If it's Tia's story, it's pretty much going to be a fantasy romance. Her character arc is to figure out what it is that she wants, which is different than what's expected of her, and find the courage to fight for it. If I make Marcian's story more important--at least equal to hers--it's more of a mainstream fantasy with a strong romantic element. Once she and Varan free him from a sort of geas, he's got a kind of quest to complete, while trying to keep hold of her against her father's opposition, and overcoming other obstacles. If I go that way, this would be the first 13:
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Meredith Member |
No comments on this? If it's cr*p, say so. I'll live. I'll even rewrite it. ![]() I'm thinking of starting off with Marcian rather than Tia and making his story a bigger part of this novel. So is the above opening better than:
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Dark Warrior Member |
Conent/Story wise - I like this new one better, but it might just be the war mongering guy in me. Readability, I am thinking that if you break up the expositive sentences by varying the sentene structure and adding a bit of dialogue it would flow a little better. I am hesitant to rewrite this since it is your story and I dont know where you want to go with it, but I want to give an example of what I mean. Something along the lines of...
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Meredith Member |
Thanks. I'll try to get in his head a little more on the next try. FWIW, there is dialog on line 14. To set the scene a little: This is actually Marcian's first battle. The only thing that sets him apart from the others is he has actually had some training. The young men were sent to guard the retreat while all the seasoned warriors acted as a rear guard. He knows they've fallen because the enemy army is coming on unopposed. And now he and a bunch of green boys have got to try to slow that army down so the women and children can get away. Out of desperation he's going to do something--activate a family curse and undertake a geas--that he's going to have trouble undoing for most of the rest of the book. While I've got it framed as Chapter One, this is almost a prologue, because the next time we see Marcian he will be a very skilled and experienced commander. [This message has been edited by Meredith (edited November 19, 2009).] IP: Logged |
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Meredith Member |
Bump for second attempt. IP: Logged |
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ScardeyDog Member |
I can't decide which version I like best, but I do prefer this opening to the one with the girls. I think it's because it's more action packed than sitting in a waiting room.
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Meredith Member |
Well, the first gets to the "hook"--that he thinks he'll be leading the young men to their deaths. That is a couple of lines beyond the first thirteen in the second. But the second gets more into what Marcian is thinking (but probably not quite deep enough, yet) and a touch of who he is. So, I guess it depends on what you want in the first 13. [This message has been edited by Meredith (edited November 19, 2009).] IP: Logged |
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Wolfe_boy Member |
A few comments.... 1. "They looked to him as their leader because of his training." That's sort of a generalization, isn't it, and very possibly incorrect? Some might think him qualified, but when the boss's son gets a highly placed job straight out of school, most of his employees don't think "Wow, he's really qualified", they think "Must be nice to have a Dad like that". Also, you are stating what the solders were thinking - wrong POV, no? 2. I believe ants tend to march in a single-file line, but the impression I got from reading what you wrote is that the army was advancing in a horizontal line, shoulder-to-shoulder. Which one is it? 3. A term like "the objective" sounds a little modern to me. Medieval type soldiers might hanve "an objective", but would they really refer to it as "the objective"? I'm hardly the expert here, can others comment perhaps? 4. You seem to post a lot of this or this, which do you like posts. Sometimes, it's easy to say, "this first thirteen is superior to that other one", but in this situation, how are we to even begin to discern which would be better? We could maybe make generalizations (like, fantasy readers are generally male, so they would probably not read as much straight-up romance with a fantastic element as they would straight-up fantasy with romantic element) but if your heart is more in one story than the other, then you'll likely write that story better. Really and truly, writing is about making decisions some times - which words to choose, which POV to write in, what style to emulate, where to begin and end a tale - and that includes (probably most importantly) what stories to tell. Good luck with this! IP: Logged |
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Kitti Member |
I like the second version of this opening better than the first - I can see what led him to draw the conclusion his dad was dead. That said, I have trouble feeling any real emotion over the death because I have no clue what his relationship with his dad was like. I have to fall back on my stereotypes to guess how they might have related to one another. Starting a few hours earlier, even on the eve of the battle, and showing them interacting before his death would help with that. Re: girl opening vs. guy opening. I think both work equally well, and it really depends on what kind of a story you want to tell. IP: Logged |
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Meredith Member |
quote: I guess I have, lately. I don't usually. It all started with trying to get that blasted query right. I'll refrain from doing that in the future. Thanks for pointing it out. Actually, sometimes just typing the question helps to clarify it in my mind. But then I should delete without posting, although I don't mind getting input, too. I have refrained from calling them soldiers for a reason. They aren't. They're the young men of a peaceful people--15-18 years old--and none of them have any experience with this. Marcian is just the only one who's actually had some training, so they do look to him as the leader. I'm certainly no military expert, but I was under the impression that armies usually advance in a (from the perspective of the target) vertical line and fan out to a horizontal line before the battle. But that doesn't mean I should take that impression for granted. I'll try to make it more clear. I was going to put in a moment of reflection about his relationship with his father in a few pages, when he finds the body. If I start with his father sending him along with the other young men, it's going to start with an argument. Because Marcian thinks he's ready to fight. He doesn't realize how wrong he is until he's in the middle of it. This way, he can remember some good stuff before he thinks about the argument and regrets it. IP: Logged |
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MAP Member |
The third version of the guy opening is the best. As for the girl vs. guy opening. I like them both. Both openings are well written with a clear conflict. And don't worry about posting too much. We are all happy to help. IP: Logged |
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