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rich
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posted February 25, 2009 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich   Click Here to Email rich     Edit/Delete Message
What makes this work? Is there a "hook"? Why do we read on?

"The morning of June 27th was clear and sunny, with the fresh warmth of a full-summer day; the flowers were blossoming profusely and the grass was richly green. The people of the village began to gather in the square, between the post office and the bank, around ten o'clock; in some towns there were so many people that the lottery took two days and had to be started on June 2th. but in this village, where there were only about three hundred people, the whole lottery took less than two hours, so it could begin at ten o'clock in the morning and still be through in time to allow the villagers to get home for noon dinner.

"The children assembled first, of course. School was recently over for the summer, and the feeling of liberty sat uneasily on
--opening paragraphs of Shirley Jackson's, "The Lottery"

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Meredith
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posted February 25, 2009 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Meredith   Click Here to Email Meredith     Edit/Delete Message
In my case, because the teacher said I had to. Not ever one of MY personal favorite short stories.

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Crystal Stevens
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posted February 25, 2009 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Crystal Stevens   Click Here to Email Crystal Stevens     Edit/Delete Message
I'd say there is definitely a hook. The hook is making you wonder what this lottery is about and why the villagers seem to take it as a part of their everyday lives.

Anyway, that's the way I see it, and this has always been one of my favorite stories ever since I read it as a high school English class assignment .

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Robert Nowall
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posted February 25, 2009 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Nowall   Click Here to Email Robert Nowall     Edit/Delete Message
Like Meredith said: I read it because it was assigned reading in, oh, middle school, I think. However, it managed to move me, though it's hardly a favorite story of mine. Later, I sought out a few other things by Shirley Jackson, of which "One Ordinary Day, With Peanuts" is the only other one of hers that stayed with me.

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rich
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posted February 25, 2009 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich   Click Here to Email rich     Edit/Delete Message
I'm almost with Meredith and Robert on this one. For the record, I'm not a big Shirley Jackson fan.

But it's interesting that everyone said they first read it in school. I'm not overly fond of OSC's dismissal of academics telling us what we should read (sometimes you do have to force the horse to the water and make that SOB drink it), but, he does have a point to a certain extent.

In this case I do think we have a hook, and it concerns the children more than anything else. We don't normally associate kids with lotteries, plus a certain amount of curiousity is piqued because of the stones.

Aargh, I don't have enough time...probably good anyway 'cause I tend to ramble, but I am going to chime in on the other thread. I know, I know, you're on the edge of your seat waiting...

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satate
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posted February 25, 2009 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for satate   Click Here to Email satate     Edit/Delete Message
I find the first sentence to be rather hooky (sorry for using hooky but it makes me smile). It's the mention of the date, the exact date, not it was a beautiful sunny day, but June 27th was. I've never read this short story. I guess it was missing from my high school assignments, but I liked the opening. The first sentence was so positive that it made me feel like something sinister was going to happen, though I have no idea if I'm correct. Does something contridictory of a nice sunny day happen, because if it doesn't I would be very disappointed.

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Meredith
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posted February 26, 2009 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Meredith   Click Here to Email Meredith     Edit/Delete Message
The end of the story is most definitely contradictory of the weather.

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rich
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posted February 26, 2009 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich   Click Here to Email rich     Edit/Delete Message
Here's the story online if anyone hasn't read it, yet.

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Robert Nowall
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posted February 26, 2009 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Nowall   Click Here to Email Robert Nowall     Edit/Delete Message
The thing with getting your works read in school assures you and your heirs of an income till the works lapse into public domain. (Does anybody here read J. D. Salinger or Sylvia Plath for pleasure?)

Example One: I hated The Old Man and the Sea when I read it in school---but I've read, and enjoyed, a lot of Hemingway I came to on my own.

Example Two: I dislike Orwell's 1984, which I read first for school---but loved his Animal Farm, which I found in the school library about the same time---and, still much later, I devoured his collected essays.

Now, I haven't really enjoyed the work of Shirley Jackson, in or out of school, but I think I'll always like something better when I find it on my own.

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satate
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posted February 28, 2009 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for satate   Click Here to Email satate     Edit/Delete Message
I just read it. It's not a very feel good short story, but it's what I thought it would be based on the first thirteen.

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SchamMan89
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posted March 08, 2009 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SchamMan89   Click Here to Email SchamMan89     Edit/Delete Message
Really, nobody else likes it here? This is one of my favorite short stories >_>

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rich
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posted March 08, 2009 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich   Click Here to Email rich     Edit/Delete Message
Why?

(I'm not trying to start an argument; I'm just curious as to why it resonates with you.)

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Crystal Stevens
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posted March 08, 2009 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Crystal Stevens   Click Here to Email Crystal Stevens     Edit/Delete Message
Really, nobody else likes it here? This is one of my favorite short stories


You better read through all the posts, again, in this thread. I definitely stated that this story was one of my favorites .

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KayTi
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posted March 09, 2009 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KayTi     Edit/Delete Message
The story completely freaks me out, but here these...um, some large number greater than 20...years after having read it I could retell the story to anyone who asks and get all the main details right (and many of the minor ones, like the last sentence or two).

It's a great, great story. Immensely compelling. Horrifying. Compelling.

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Robert Nowall
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posted March 09, 2009 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Nowall   Click Here to Email Robert Nowall     Edit/Delete Message
Well, one thing that kinda freaked me out about it...when I read it, for some reason, I took it as a period piece, something set in the past. Not long after (as part of school, again) I saw a dramatization of it...set in modern times. I realized I'd been wrong, that I'd missed the point...that Jackson was saying it could happen anywhere, anywhen, even here and now.

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted March 09, 2009 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message
It does happen. Maybe not with stones, but with words. It happens all too often.

Edited to add an example:

In the past few days, a junior high school teacher confessed to police that she and another female teacher at the school had been having sex with a 13-year-old male student.

There are people in the community who are asking whether the boy should be charged as well. So not only did his teachers victimize him, but people in his community want to victimize him, too. No stones, but a life has been destroyed anyway.

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dee_boncci
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posted April 07, 2009 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dee_boncci   Click Here to Email dee_boncci     Edit/Delete Message
It was a long, long time ago, but I remember liking the story.

It might not be the world's greatest hook, but just the idea of a lottery that was so widely attended is different enough to create interest. What was so important about it that a whole town would stop what it was doing to attend, and that the whole town's attendance was required?

But, the idea that a story *must* have a pronounced hook in its first thirteen lines is somewhat artificial. It doesn't hurt to start right off with an effective hook, but plenty of stories don't.

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Owasm
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posted April 07, 2009 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Owasm   Click Here to Email Owasm     Edit/Delete Message
I think all stories have the possibility of losing their savor over time.

I just read the story. I don't recall reading it before. It seemed predictable, just knowing about a mindless lottery by villagers. I doubt it was so predictable years ago. Perhaps her idea has been used to 'death' in stories since.

In fact, I did a short story on the topic of a village culling last month.

The tension for me was who would be the 'winner'.

The writing is very good. The hook? The first 13? I wouldn't rate it very high, although, as I said, her writing is very good.

RE: Kathleen's example. I may be wrong, but as I recall it, the boy was having an affair with two separate teachers in unconnected affairs. To my way of thinking, that indicates the strong possibility that the boy was doing the manipulating. A sad story all around... three lives wasted.

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rich
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posted April 09, 2009 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rich   Click Here to Email rich     Edit/Delete Message
Thread hijack.

Would we think the 13 year old was manipulative if he was a she? Not trying to start any major arguments (minor ones are fine), but I'm curious as to what others think regarding age and gender in these types of cases.

As a male, I'm not as outraged at these types of stories since the victim is male. If it was a 13 year old girl, I'm outraged. Is it culture? Or am I just a sick bastard? (well, I am kinda anyway, but you get the idea...) I mean, it's still a 13 year old and no adult should be intimately involved with a 13 year old, no matter the gender.

But...I'm enough of a male chauvinist pig that I'm not as outraged in this case.

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted April 09, 2009 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message
rich, this is one of the things that were discussed on a local talk show regarding the case. There does tend to be a double standard that way, and it's too bad.

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