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EP Kaplan
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posted September 04, 2009 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EP Kaplan   Click Here to Email EP Kaplan     Edit/Delete Message
Unless the Facebook is lying to me, I believe we all owe a round of congrats, yahoos, hip hip hurrays, and a resounding "Felix natalis tibi!" to our beloved admin!

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Robert Nowall
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posted September 04, 2009 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Nowall   Click Here to Email Robert Nowall     Edit/Delete Message
If this be confirmed, happy birthday, Kathleen!

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snapper
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posted September 04, 2009 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snapper   Click Here to Email snapper     Edit/Delete Message
Happy Birthday, Mrs Obeyed.

Wish I would have known....

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InarticulateBabbler
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posted September 04, 2009 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InarticulateBabbler   Click Here to Email InarticulateBabbler     Edit/Delete Message
Happy Birthday, young lady!

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philocinemas
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posted September 04, 2009 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for philocinemas   Click Here to Email philocinemas     Edit/Delete Message
HB, KDW! HTMM.

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genevive42
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posted September 05, 2009 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for genevive42   Click Here to Email genevive42     Edit/Delete Message
Happy B-day! Hope you had fun!

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Merlion-Emrys
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posted September 05, 2009 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Merlion-Emrys   Click Here to Email Merlion-Emrys     Edit/Delete Message
Have a lovely piece of magical cake that magically transforms into whatever lovely type of cake you like most.

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted September 05, 2009 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message
Ooh! Chocolate decadence with raspberry sauce! How did you know, Merlion-Emrys? Thank you!

Everyone help yourself to a piece (or two). And thanks so much for the good wishes.

I had a very nice day yesterday, and was able to let it overlap into today. My daughter and grandkids and I went to lunch at a lovely little restaurant yesterday, and then my daughter and I (without grandkids) got to go up to one of the Salt Lake Olympics (2002) venues in the mountains where we watched border collies compete in an international sheepdog trials event. Totally awesome! And it was a great day for it--heavy overcast with occasional sprinkles--love it!

We also got to watch some younger dogs (and non-border collie breeds--though the sheepdog trials aren't limited to border collies, they're just the ones who make the internationals, I guess) practice herding ducks. That was lots of fun after watching the real sheepdog trials.

Today is my and my husband's 34th wedding anniversary, by the way, and we're going out to dinner tonight to celebrate (and maybe a movie, if we can fit it in).

[This message has been edited by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (edited September 05, 2009).]

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Unwritten
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posted September 05, 2009 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unwritten   Click Here to Email Unwritten     Edit/Delete Message
Happy anniversary! That's great.

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snapper
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posted September 05, 2009 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snapper   Click Here to Email snapper     Edit/Delete Message
34th anniversary? Did you get married when you were one???

Enjoy the weekend, actually it sounds like you are. Keep up the fun!

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted September 05, 2009 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message

Hmm. I wonder how I knew that you were going to say that, snapper.

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InarticulateBabbler
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posted September 05, 2009 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InarticulateBabbler   Click Here to Email InarticulateBabbler     Edit/Delete Message
Congratulations! Enjoy.

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Robert Nowall
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posted September 06, 2009 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Nowall   Click Here to Email Robert Nowall     Edit/Delete Message
I kinda hate to say it here...but I remember a joke from the TV show "Maude," where one of her husbands saw to it that they married on his birthday so he would always remember their anniversary.

Unfortunately, they didn't have one. She could only stand him for eight months...

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snapper
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posted September 06, 2009 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snapper   Click Here to Email snapper     Edit/Delete Message
How was the evening Kathleen? Did your husband do better than Jack-in-the-Box for dinner? Did you take the time to see a movie?

Watching ducks getting herded must have been fun. Gives me a smile just thinking about it. Hmmmmm, I wonder if watching that display made you want to name some of those duckys.

That one is Skadder, I'll call that one annepin...oh the one running around in a circle and squawking it's head off has to be snapper...

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted September 07, 2009 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting idea.

I wonder who would be the duck that tried to bite the dog herding them and was grabbed by the handler. They said that duck would not be used for herding again.

Duck soup, anyone?

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted September 07, 2009 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message
The evening was very nice. We went to a Brazilian churrasco (steakhouse) where you fill up on a wonderful salad bar and then they bring around these sword-like skewers with all kinds of lovely roasted meat (and pineapple) on them and slice bits off for you. My absolute favorite is the garlic beef. HMMMMM!

Then we watched the last half of the BYU-Oklahoma game, and then went to a wedding reception and had to-die-for chocolate cake (there was room because our stomachs had had time to digest).

By the way, I liked the sheepdog trials so much, I went back this morning to watch some of the finals. I've got to figure out how to use that stuff in a story.

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posted September 07, 2009 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InarticulateBabbler   Click Here to Email InarticulateBabbler     Edit/Delete Message
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I wonder who would be the duck that tried to bite the dog herding them and was grabbed by the handler. They said that duck would not be used for herding again.

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Meredith
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posted September 07, 2009 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Meredith   Click Here to Email Meredith     Edit/Delete Message
Happy belated birthday.

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By the way, I liked the sheepdog trials so much, I went back this morning to watch some of the finals. I've got to figure out how to use that stuff in a story.

I've had both of my dogs (Cardigan Welsh Corgis) herding instinct tested. (Both passed) It's a lot of fun to watch a dog "turn on" to sheep. Of course, the dogs you watched were a lot further along than that. And border collies herd very differently than corgis.

I'm way too uneducated about sheep. (They can really hurt you. I know one woman who got her leg bady broken.) So I could never actually take them herding myself. I've occasionally thought of trying Aliza on ducks. I could never put Micah on ducks, though. I'm afraid I'd have to buy a duck dinner.

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted September 07, 2009 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message
Meredith, how do they test dogs for herding instinct?

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted September 07, 2009 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message
And thanks, again, all, for the good wishes.

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EP Kaplan
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posted September 07, 2009 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EP Kaplan   Click Here to Email EP Kaplan     Edit/Delete Message
You got a husband for your birthday? Not a bad haul. That's even better than the "bar mitzvah cash blitz" at 13.

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Meredith
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posted September 07, 2009 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Meredith   Click Here to Email Meredith     Edit/Delete Message
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Meredith, how do they test dogs for herding instinct?

Well, I've only been to two herding instinct tests. But, basically:

Someone who knows what they're doing and what they're looking for goes into the pen with you. In my case, this was Judy Vanderford, who is a judge and also owns the sheep we were using. Generally, there are only three or four sheep, who've been herded by dogs before. ("dog broke".)

Usually, you start with the dog on leash. You lead the dog around, following the sheep. Often, it takes a few minutes for the dog to get the idea and gain confidence. (Micah went in all set to go and was taken off leash immediately.) When the judge tells you, you take off the leash and see what happens. Sometimes, they keep the dog on a long lead.

A dog that "turns on" will start to move the sheep. It's more than just chasing them. Usually, their instinct is to bring the sheep to you. Which is where it gets dodgy for me, since I don't seem to have sufficient instinct to stay out of their way.

Different breeds of dog herd differently. Border collies and corgis are actually almost at opposite ends of the spectrum. As you probably saw, border collies are what are called "hard-eyed". They stare at the sheep as if they're seeing lamb chops. They often look like they're stalking the sheep when they work. And border collies often work silently.

Corgis are "loose-eyed". Often, they don't even appear to be looking at the sheep. But they know exactly where those sheep are. There's usually more actual chasing going on when corgis work and a lot more barking. Also, because corgis were originally bred to herd cattle, they have a tendency to nip at the heels.

Somewhere, I have some video of Aliza herding sheep. But since I can't find it right now, here's a youtube link that's pretty similar to our experience. But imagine it with a red and white dog, instead of a tri.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXh3BJtJfbI

[This message has been edited by Meredith (edited September 08, 2009).]

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Robert Nowall
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posted September 08, 2009 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Nowall   Click Here to Email Robert Nowall     Edit/Delete Message
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You got a husband for your birthday?

Must'a been difficult to wrap.

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snapper
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posted September 08, 2009 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snapper   Click Here to Email snapper     Edit/Delete Message
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Must'a been difficult to wrap.

I'm just guessing but I bet was lots of fun to unwrap.

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Andrew_McGown
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posted September 08, 2009 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andrew_McGown     Edit/Delete Message
Perhaps he wrapped himself.

I tried that once, but no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get that last piece of scotch tape on.

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted September 08, 2009 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Meredith. One of the dogs doing the duck herding was actually jumping up and down along with the barking (it looked a little like a pomeranian, but I'm sure that wasn't what it was).

The one of the big challenges for the border collies at the sheepdog competition was that the sheep were "range" sheep and had never been herded by dogs, so they were particularly uncooperative.

I asked lots of questions at the herding demonstration, and one of the things they talked about was how sheep are quite fragile, compared to cattle, so they can't have dogs that nip do the herding of the sheep.

They also said that herding dogs can't be left with the sheep because they'll "worry" them--drive them frantic. They have to use different dogs for guarding sheep, calm, relaxing dogs--or llamas (which can be dangerous to the herding dogs because llamas can kill them--llamas don't understand the difference between herding dogs and coyotes).

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Meredith
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posted September 08, 2009 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Meredith   Click Here to Email Meredith     Edit/Delete Message
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Thanks, Meredith. One of the dogs doing the duck herding was actually jumping up and down along with the barking (it looked a little like a pomeranian, but I'm sure that wasn't what it was).

You're quite welcome. As a former boss of mine used to say, "Be careful what you ask a dog owner. You're liable to find out more than you wanted to."

Pomeranian? Not that I've ever heard. Maybe a sheltie. They look like miniature collies. Or it could have been a fluffy (long-haired, incorrect coat) corgi of either variety.

I actually found my video of Aliza herding. But YouTube has decided it hates me.

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted September 09, 2009 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message
Hmm. Maybe it was a sheltie, come to think of it. Legs a bit too long to be a corgi, I think.

I'm always interested in finding out stuff. (My brothers and sisters learned to not ask me about anything, because they always felt I told them more than they really wanted to know.)

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Andrew_McGown
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posted September 09, 2009 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andrew_McGown     Edit/Delete Message
In the US do shepherds use whistles to control their dogs too?

and have you guys seen this

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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posted September 09, 2009 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathleen Dalton Woodbury   Click Here to Email Kathleen Dalton Woodbury     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, and yes.

Now that I've seen the handlers (as they were called at the competition) use whistles to communicate with the sheepdogs in moving the sheep around, I can better appreciate what would go into such a display.

The whistles are made of metal and fit inside the handler's mouths, and there are some generally standard commands that tell the sheepdog to go around the sheep in a clockwise direction or in a counter-clockwise direction, to stop and lie down near the sheep (to hold them in place), to go toward the sheep, to turn around and go get more sheep, and so on.

It was so cool to watch that I had to go back for a second day.

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WouldBe
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posted September 09, 2009 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WouldBe   Click Here to Email WouldBe     Edit/Delete Message
Late to the party, but happy b-day!

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Denem
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posted September 09, 2009 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Denem   Click Here to Email Denem     Edit/Delete Message
No one told me there was a party. Why am I always the last one to find out about these things?

Happy Belated Birthday, Kathleen.

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