posted
Now, if the battleschool were veal, which I know it is not, if the battleschool were veal, how much would it be worth?
Posts: 16059 | Registered: Aug 2000
| IP: Logged |
posted
Okay in todays american dollars its probly worth soemwhere around 500 Billion$-1.5 trillion$ the International Space station is like what? 200 billion?
Posts: 1567 | Registered: Oct 2004
| IP: Logged |
quote:Okay in todays american dollars its probly worth soemwhere around 500 Billion$-1.5 trillion$ the International Space station is like what? 200 billion?
::Gulp::
I wish. Okay, then instead, who do you think would win in a fight between a dog and a monkey?
Posts: 16059 | Registered: Aug 2000
| IP: Logged |
posted
This has to be the stupidest conversation I've ever seen. Of course the monkey would win. It would use it's monkey kung-fu.
Posts: 2 | Registered: Dec 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
Not to change the subject, but I have read the Ender's series like 100 times. Ender's game takes place in the 22nd century. I don't remember which book states this, but I know it to be fact. I don't understand this '2070' crap? Who came up with that change??
Posts: 1 | Registered: Dec 2004
| IP: Logged |
I don't think you're relating to the "right" problem here.
The main problem, in my opinion, is: Most of the book is contrived of thoughts. What’s going on in Ender’s mind. Once you only try expressing what Ender thinks through action when he decides not to act, you ruin the foundations of the book.
The most important thing, in my opinion, is to have Ender’s voice speak his thoughts most of the movie. You’ll need a fabulous producer for that, a marvelous director, and, hmm… the best child actor in history.
posted
I can see why quite a few people want it in anime, but I really don't think that it will be formed as such. If the movie is made with live actors then I would agree with Beanny, quote, "the best child actor in history.". It really depends on the child and someone who can direct the child. The future Ender would have to cry, show intense anger, and live like a soldier. The actor will need a really good personal trainer. I can't see O.S.C creating "Ender's Game" as an anime film.
Posts: 7 | Registered: Dec 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
The main thing that i am worried about in this movie is casting, and not just for the initial part of ender and bean. I am worried about how they will show the age of ender and the children as they grow older i cant remember how old ender was when he got to battle school but i know bean was like 4 and ended up being around 12 by the time he left. The books check in on the kids at diffent time frames, how are they going to make the kids look older and taller as the film goes on, hopefully not with diffent actors. I dont know how you do this.
Posts: 52 | Registered: Dec 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
man i cant wait till it comes out, and i want an Enders Shadow movie real bad, because i liked that series better Posts: 12 | Registered: Jan 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
The movie, as Card has envisioned it, will be a combination of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow.
Posts: 16551 | Registered: Feb 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
That makes sense. Two birds with oen stone. ES and EG are practically the same story just different perspectives, its really easy to go from 1 perspective to the next in movies.
Posts: 1567 | Registered: Oct 2004
| IP: Logged |
quote: By the way, how about an Ender's Game playstation game?
If the creators are good, well...
Manoeuvering in null-G won't have its ups and downs.
HA! Very well said
Considering the reviews the Spiderman 2 game got, I wouldn't be surprised if they could pull off a good Battleroom game. Then again, I'd be even less surprised if they made a very, very bad Battleroom game.
Posts: 162 | Registered: Dec 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
I went to a meeting where osc was speaking and said that the ender's movie was going to be condenced into 1 year so they didnt have to worry about casting differnt actors to play differnt ages.
Posts: 52 | Registered: Dec 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
Ok, reading this forum I keep reading something that bugs me. Everyone says to find a child actor who can express murderous hate like Ender. Ender was not hate filled, he did exactly what he needed to get by and nothing more.
He made sure when he did something he finished, and then he always felt horrible for it afterwords, if he was full of murderous hate he wouldn't have nightmares about things he has done.
I doubt if anyone could be put through what Ender was put through and still be as decent as he was.
Posts: 17 | Registered: Jan 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
quote: _________________________________________________ Ender was not hate filled, he did exactly what he needed to get by and nothing more. _________________________________________________
Very true. Ender did not hate anyone. He dealt with his problems swiftly and completely. Later he was manipulated by the teachers to inavertingly destroy the buggers. Ender was a little bit of both Valentine and Peter. That is what the teachers were looking for. Hate and anger are two different obects. Though sometimes entwined, they are not the same. Ender was sometimes angry for a just cause but he never hated anyone. Bonzo hated even if he wasn't angry.
[ January 24, 2005, 03:26 PM: Message edited by: Young Teacher ]
Posts: 7 | Registered: Dec 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
Very true...Ender did not hate. It was his undying capacity to love that allowed him to destroy so efficiently. Very Zen, only by becoming your enemy can you know him enough to destroy him utterly.
However, the concern wasn't that we would be able to find a child actor to show hate in the role of Ender, but rather in the other members of the battleschool. Bonzo being a good example, Bernard as well.
Remember that the culture of the battle school was one based on competetion and honor based upon the standings. And they would do anything, even murder, to get what they wanted. Interesting that Bonzo made it to battleschool and Peter did not.
posted
I disagree, murder was not acceptable at the battle school and very few of the kids would have attempted it. Bonzo was an acception and the Ender/Bonzo fight was only allowed to happen because Ender was a special case and they could never let Ender think that adults would step in and help him. One of the first things is that they said Murder and violence was not allowed and that anyone who tried anything would get iced. I think it was Dap that said this but it could have been Graff.
Posts: 832 | Registered: Jan 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
Oh and also I'd welcome you to hatrack but I thinks thats Pops job. Whispering-Welcome to hatrack, don't tell Pops.- Posts: 832 | Registered: Jan 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
Bonzo got to BS partly becuase of the charisma that made him a commander. Also remember he has some talent but obviously not enough to be good at commanding. Remember Peter war OBVIOUSLY violent and aggressive as a child Bonzo most likely wasn't.
Posts: 1567 | Registered: Oct 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
One thing that heard that I think would totally ruin the movie is that they are going to make Graff a woman for this movie. Somebody said it was confirmed, but I don't think so. Someone suggested Dame Judy Dench for the part. She's too Professor McGonagall-ish for me. Personally, I like one idea that was suggested. Sean Bean. I can see that happening. Maybe.
Posts: 1 | Registered: Feb 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
I think Judy Dench could probably be a good Carlotta, but I think Graff would need to be a guy unless his personality was changed big time. But if Graff was to be a female, Judy Dench would probably be the best choice.
Posts: 204 | Registered: Dec 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
Do not be surprised if most of the adult characters are significantly changed. IIRC, Card has said that characters like Graff were really only there to move the story along and allow the reader to see more than Ender was seeing. They were more device than character.
Posts: 1002 | Registered: Feb 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
Man, at one of the websites I was looking at, they said that they tried to get Haley Joel Osmend to do it, but something came up.
However, what I want to know is when it's supposed to start filming! Unfortunately, my parents and I have read the books, but my mom and I are the only two putting effort into finding a filming date! I just want to see a teaser soon...T_T *sniff*
Posts: 2 | Registered: Feb 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
As far as I know, they haven't set a date for filming, or even cast a single character yet. To be honest, if the movie gets made in the next 5 years I will be pleasantly surprised.
Posts: 1569 | Registered: Dec 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
Still one example is the new star wars movies that are still coming out now in 2005 were first talked about being made right after the first ones came out!
Posts: 832 | Registered: Jan 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
What I'm worried about is that Ender's Game will be turned into another Spy Kids type movie, just a bunch of kids being heroes, rather than delving deeper into the story.
Ender is aggressive, but it isn't without good cause. I hope Warner Bros doesn't tone that part down. They need to show Ender killing Stilson. It needs to be violant, and maybe the anti-violence in movies groups will go crazy that a kids' movie is showing a six year old killing a bully, but that needs to be shocking. But it needs to be presented in the right context.
I hope that's done though good casting and making sure that Ender's a sympathic character from the start. I think it would be best if they had two actors playing Ender - a young six year old Ender as he's going to Battle School (played by an actual six year old, not the usual Hollywood 12 year old playing six) and then they can cast a 9 or 10 year old to play Ender for most of the movie.
If Ender is this little kid getting tormented by Peter, picked on by bullies, then he's sympathic. Then the audience is rooting for him.
Posts: 2 | Registered: Mar 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
It all depends on finding the right actors. Unfortunately, there has been a shortage of true child actors since the age of the "Spielberg kids" such as Elijah Wood, Joseph Mazello, and Henry Thomas in the eighties and early nineties. OSC has already said that he has fudged the ages and combined Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow to make the story into a form that will tanslate to screen. It will now be up to the casting directors to can find 10 to 16 year olds with the same heart that an Elijah, Henry, or Joseph could have portrayed...I know they are out there.
Posts: 12 | Registered: Mar 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
My man concern is one that has been stated areadly. I think that with movies you lose the ability to convey the characters thoughts. If the thoughs are not conveyed well the idea of a 6 year old will not fly with most people, espsecailly with the violence and all. I kno OSC has gone strongly against it and I too belive that the characters age is true to their abilities in the stories, For the story to be under stood the characters age i thinks needs to be bump up, only alittle, maybe they are 9 or 10 when they get to battle school. I don't know I'm just I'm not aroung 6 years olds much but I'm afraid of it becoming like the poster before me said " a spykids movie". I have faith in OSC that he can figure it out. I also agree with casting unkowns.
posted
All I can say is thank goodness Haley Joe will be too old by the time the movie comes out. How could ANYONE have even considered him? Posts: 277 | Registered: Apr 2003
| IP: Logged |
Printer-friendly view of this topic
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[Laugh]](graemlins/laugh.gif)
![[Evil Laugh]](graemlins/evillaugh.gif)
![[Mad]](mad.gif)
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
![[No No]](graemlins/nono.gif)
She's too Professor McGonagall-ish for me. Personally, I like one idea that was suggested. Sean Bean. I can see that happening. Maybe.
![[Cry]](graemlins/cry.gif)
![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
