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El JT de Spang
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Not only that, but your posts will get read.

That is the idea, right, for people to actually read what you write? Then I'd start up an exercise program, build up that pinky strength to help you stretch all the way over to the 'shift' key. Start with just a few reps a day, then build up to about a hundred. Take it slow; don't try to be a hero. It's hard initially, but you gotta push through.

Now that's sarcastic. Maybe rude, too.

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quote:
Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
build up that pinky strength to help you stretch all the way over to the 'shift' key.

[ROFL]

I use Caps Lock. I'm just different that way.

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No, Wikipedia, no!

[Mad]

Someone decided to switch back to that particular humiliating picture of him that opened this discussion.

[Mad]

Somebody change it, quick!

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hbdragon88
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I'm sorry, but Wikipedia has its policies. We could certainly use a publicity shot, such as in the case of Bob Ross when there is no free shot of him available. But "noncommercial use only" was banned over a year ago. It is also policy that a fair use image cannot override a free one. The free one adequately conveys Card, even if it is an image of his eyes closed. Now, if the photographer was willing to relicense it freely, Wikipedia would happily accept the image.
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What if I draw a picture of him and submit it? Are avatars generated through Karaoke Revolution Party copyrighted?

I've also thought of an excellent scheme to scroll toward member number 10K by getting the royal "we" of Wikipedia to keep registering here to make single replies.

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Yeah, well, I felt compelled to get my voice heard. *removes links to this forum on WP* And if you draw a picture, I wouldn't see a problem there, as long as it was as good or better as the free picture currently on the article now.
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Wait - What, hbdragon88? Please expound on your post? I don't get what you're saying at ALL.
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ps - How is it that you decide what is 'as good or better as'? Just a question...
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pps - I haven't yet verified what you said but if it's true, you're a loser. Honestly, have you NOTHING better to do with your time than worry about Wikopedia sites? If you haven't - have you read the 'Ender Series' by Orson Scott Card? It might entertain you... At the very least it’ll give you something to do with your (seemingly endless) spare time.
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El JT de Spang
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cmc, as near as I can guess from the context, hbdragon is affiliated in some way with wikipedia. So, in other words, he/she may not have anything better to do. In fact, things like this may be part of their job description.
Either way, I think the hostility is uncalled for.

I'm sure OSC would like to comply with wiki's policies, whether or not he agrees with them (and I haven't seen that he doesn't). After all, their house, their rules, as the saying goes.

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Yes, thank you for making assumptions about me...yes, I have read the Ender series. Actually, to be precise, I've read the Shadow series (only Ender's Shadow was worth it, though), First Meetings, and Speaker for the Dead. Wikipedia is actually a better use of my time than what I used to do before.

The hostility is uncalled for? Well, I interpreted cmc's post that he (this forum) was interested in trying to pull Wikipedians in here, I imagine, by doing some kind of hostile act. I imagine uploading the unfree publicity shot or something as the way to get more Wikipedians to make one-post accounts. Maybe he was just jesting, I don't know, but I responded in kind...just jesting as well, I guess, right?!

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El JT de Spang
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I think pooka was joking about doing something like what you suggest. I don't think cmc was, though I might be mistaken. I just didn't want to get bombarded right out of the gate.

I'm glad you're a good sport.

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I might draw a picture. The Karaoke avatar was a joke, however.

Could I ask why a link to OSC's official web site is not allowed?

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This is the first time I realized Card's birthday is a day before mine.
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Wait, so if Mr. Card takes a picture of himself, for "free", it can be used on wikipedia?

*hint hint

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I swear. I’ve never seen anything so ridiculous. I’m sure they’ll find something wrong with this new one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Orson.scott.card.JPG But it’s one I took myself at a book signing.
Looks ok on the site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Scott_Card
Unreal.... Someone has way to much time on their hands to be worrying about the new pic and it’s copyright.

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Well, it's good that his eyes are open now [Smile]
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Maybe we should ask OSC (or wait until he replies here) if he likes that picture or would want something a little more professional for the page?
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We tried to put something professional and this yahoo jerk with to much time on his hand found some crazy loop hole rule that says that one won’t work. It’s retarded.

So….. unless someone else has one that they’ve taken out there of him that looks more professional this one is certainly better since he is smiling and his eyes are open.

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FWIW - I like the pic up there... It's 'real'.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jay:
We tried to put something professional and this yahoo jerk with to much time on his hand found some crazy loop hole rule that says that one won’t work. It’s retarded.

Oh, come on now...it's called Wikipedia, the free encylcopedia. If you were Jimmy Wales, and you had your choice of a free image or an unfree one, which one would you choose? In the interest of trying to be as free as possible, he'd choose the free one. He would only choose the unfree one if he had no choice (such as a historical event that wouldn't convey the same information). OSC is a living person, and therefore it should be easy to find a free image of him, which you did, and which I thank you for.
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Dude… It was free. We had the photographer say use it. We had the person who it was a picture of say use it. The only person in the world who had a problem with it was you. And for you to say the one with his eyes closed conveys OSC adequately is beyond retarded. Everyone knew that was a horrible picture. The new one I put up works, but it’s not as professional as the one that you didn’t like. So fine. We’re completely in your rules now and maybe someone out there can take a picture of OSC in a more professional manner and then we can get one up.
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If you were Jimmy Wales, and you had your choice of a free image or an unfree one, which one would you choose? In the interest of trying to be as free as possible, he'd choose the free one.
Five bucks says if you asked Jimmy Wales, he'd say it'd be okay to use the other photograph.
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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
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If you were Jimmy Wales, and you had your choice of a free image or an unfree one, which one would you choose? In the interest of trying to be as free as possible, he'd choose the free one.
Five bucks says if you asked Jimmy Wales, he'd say it'd be okay to use the other photograph.
He has already spoken about it (not specifcially about OSC, but about them in general). See Non-commercial and by permission banned mailing list message.
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quote:
Originally posted by Primal Curve:
This is the first time I realized Card's birthday is a day before mine.

This is the first time I've realized your birthday is the same as one of my really really good friend's. [Wink]
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Maybe we should ask OSC (or wait until he replies here) if he likes that picture or would want something a little more professional for the page?
Umm, have you read any other parts of this thread? I suppose I could scan back and see if you've posted. But I'm not feeling well. People purporting to represent wikipedia have essentially told Card to keep his hands off the entry. Wiki is the man, and I mean that in the "allied with the devil" sense and not the "gets me hot" sense. There is a difference.

Oh, I like that picture, Jay. If its the one with him gleefully snuggling what appears to be a man (Max von Sydow?) placidly looking the other way.

What's the policy on extranous people appearing in a picture (assuming all those pictured gave permission to be included?). Because there was a great mass headsquish picture from the Magic Street tour.

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Here’s the full picture that I cropped for the one I put up of OSC:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4901/picture0332sqcd2.jpg

The full one was taken at a book signing in Charlotte last year. Fun! Also was when I became real.

Remember the trip:
http://www.hatrack.com/cgi-bin/ubbmain/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=036811;p=0&r=nfx

Hey wait a minute…. That one pic of OSC there: http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5830/picture0304hq.jpg
He is standing up before the crowd. Would that one be better for wiki?

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