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MacBeth
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I was wondering...is it wrong for me to wish I still did drugs and was a carefree teen without child and another on the way and a wife...and things I need to keep paying on and supporting a family and being a grown-up...I remember drugs...they made me happy...less angry...happy [Big Grin] So go ahead and talk about what weak person I am and the crutches I need but...this forum just doesn't compare to running around naked in the woods on mushrooms.
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Ralphie
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I've always thought the use of too many elipses was the sign of a disturbed mind.

You may not need mind-altering chemicals, MacBeth.

[Razz]

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Bob the Lawyer
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*blinks*

Look, I realize that you may be yearning for drugs because they symbolize your youth and all... but you yearn for yo yos or disco music or Cheetos or something?

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"is it wrong for me to wish I still did drugs and was a carefree teen without child and another on the way and a wife...and things I need to keep paying on and supporting a family and being a grown-up..."

My best friend -- the best man at my wedding -- has just left his wife after cheating on her with a married woman for two and a half years. He has two children, and I'm sure he ALSO got to missing the drugs, the late-night concerts, the random flirting, and the ability to quit his job without having to worry about paying the bills.

Sometimes I miss some of those things, too.

But I'm still married. I still pay my bills. And I still catch the occasional concert.

If you cop out, make no mistake: you're copping out, because you weren't man enough to cut it. That may make you happy, but it ALSO makes you less of a man -- and you'd have to live with that, I'm afraid.

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I know I know but....*thinks of plausible excuse* damn...I know and thats why I stopped all of that... but ahhh for the old days..
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Responsibility sucks, does it not? I do not blame you at all, but your duties to your family have to come first.
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Danzig
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How do they make you less of a man, Tom? Stopping because of responsibilities is all well and good, but if you do not have any, why on earth is it wrong? That is a very arrogant attitude.
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Ralphie
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Leaving your responsibilities to selfishly pursue a lifestyle you promised not to live anymore?

How does that NOT make you less of a man?

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Danzig
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Tom seemed to be talking about all drugs, all the time, not just this instance. I thought I made it reasonably clear that I agree MacBeth should stay off if he has responsibilities that require it, but apparently not.
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jehovoid
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Tom was speaking in that same context.

MacBeth, I don't think you'd be able to go back to being a profligate any more than I'd be able to go back to being a toddler. But it's okay. Grown ups have a whole nother world of cool stuff to do.

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popatr
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I use elipses in my normal speech. I guess that cuts it--I'm disturbed.

But heck yeah, I can sympathize. I have never used drugs, slept around, or even attended rock concerts. And I haven't even taken on the biggest responsibilities of life yet.

But I remember days as a kid, where I didn't have to stress about anything. Even later, when I got into school, I had summers long enough to give me bliss for a while. [sighs]

I'll never, ever, feel that summer feel again.

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[Cry]
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Ralphie
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quote:
But I remember days as a kid, where I didn't have to stress about anything. Even later, when I got into school, I had summers long enough to give me bliss for a while. [sighs]

I'll never, ever, feel that summer feel again.

Now, THAT I can totally sympathize with.
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Scott R
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I'll bet that at the time you didn't think your life was stress free.
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quote:
But I remember days as a kid, where I didn't have to stress about anything. Even later, when I got into school, I had summers long enough to give me bliss for a while. [sighs]

I'll never, ever, feel that summer feel again.

Why not?

[ September 16, 2003, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Tresopax ]

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jehovoid
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Why not?

"Hey, Boss, I think I'm just gonna take this summer off, ride bikes with my friends around the neighborhood, watch cartoons, and drink lemonade."

"Well, okay. Do you still want your regular salary?"

"Yeah, sure. That'd be great."

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Tresopax
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I'm not asking about why can't you quit working, drink lemonade, ride around with your friends, and still get paid. (Although keep in mind you could do that, except for the pay part.)

I'm asking why you won't ever be able to go a summer - or a year - without stress?

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Because I need it, baby. It's like a drug.

Come on! Just one more hit! Show me a credit card bill or something! Anything! Look at me, I shaking!

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When I was younger,6-10 years old, my twin and I used to get into arguments about a whole lot of little things. Dad would come down and yell at us to stop bickering. He would say "Find something important to argue about." We thought we had. It was important to us. I don't tell my kids that when they are arguing. I do tell them to shut up becuase it bothers me. [Smile]

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BannaOj
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I was more stressed as a child than I am now.

I'm still trying to handle the overload of stress from back then though...

I'm sure I have a disturbed mind...

AJ

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Retirement is just one big, long summer, I understand.

Also, teachers get a summer.

MacBeth: Since you have one on the way, I can only assume that your other one is still preschool age, perhaps older. Give up ALL your adulthood and play with the little one. See the world through their eyes. See how everything is new. There are so many states you can get yourself into that make you happy and make you more of a man, even... and the plus side is you are completely in control. If you need to be sober, then you are, immediately.

When your next one is born, I know she/he might look like a lump but interact. You'd be suprised at how social they are. And it has been clinically proven that sleeping babies are a relaxant: your heart beats slower and you have a higher level of endorphins. Heck, you can learn (and I encourage every parent of an infant to do so) to relax in the same way when they are colicky. They are really tuned to your stress level, and even though they might still be crying they'll be feeling the love too.

And marriage has its ups and downs. It might be particularly stressful for you right now, but it won't always be that way if you just stick with it and love your wife and children and do stuff with them.

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Oh yes--if I get a good retirement setup, I might feel pretty cool about that.

But I assure you, I actually felt pretty stress free at the time. I remember at least the summers, because I hated school with my whole soul. I would practically melt once vacation came. And I really savored almost every moment. Sleeping in, going to friends, vegging (it was impossible to bore me), or even doing chores. The chores weren't bad and I was with the family I wuv.

If I did have stress over anything, which I'm not sure I did, at least of was the type that a person could forget in a few hours or days.

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I actually have very little stress. My job is low-pressure and rewarding, my living situation is only occasional tumultuous, I have more free time than I know what to do with, and I'm so completely free of stress that I've forgotten my coping mechanisms and flip out when something is actually difficult.

Not bad.

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Tom's right. Wanting less stress isn't bad, but if you take steps to rid yourself of the active fulfilling of your responsibilities, you're a weenie.

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Drugs and freedom v.s. That first smile of the new baby, or the sound of the older one calling you Daddy?

Don't forget, that cool Summer Off feeling was nice, but there are some things even better.

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MaureenJanay
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I never thought summer was all that great. Two weeks into it there's nothing new to do.

Same principle with drugs and carefreeness, etc. How long into a new "carefree" life before you start to realize you screwed up bad, and now there's no wifey to take you back, cause she's gone, baby.

For heaven's sake...if you are going to do something "carefree", buy a sports car, and don't even THINK about making your wife and kids pick up the slack that you couldn't carry.

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thats why im never getting married, never having kids, never buying anything, and always staying wasted.
[Razz]

that-
that..that was a joke.

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It's bitter irony... When you have things you need to do you are stessed, but when you don't you are bored. Heh.
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popatr
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No, like I said, I'm practically impossible to bore. Oh, I suppose you could do it if you locked me up in a featureless room. But otherwise, I always found something to wonder about.
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Impossible to bore? You obviously have not been reading my alter-ego's posts.... I'll tell him to work harder.
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The thought of going back to where I was as a teenager is almost as scary as the thought of staying where I am now for the rest of my life. I cannot imagine wanting to go back to doing drugs and being irresponsible. Does that make me crazy? I think not.
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You know, I have to think that anyone resorting using drugs to fill their time couldn't have been too happy with their life.
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Does every person do drugs as a teenager? Hmmm...I guess I've missed something.
[Roll Eyes]

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Well Tresopax, you are wrong. [Smile]
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popatr
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Like I said, I never did.
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Nope, I didn't. Max Headroom speaks, I listen.

"Be smart, don't start."

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That quote's alot better than "Just Say No"
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Well. Let me preface this, and keep in mind that I waited for everyone to say their piece in this thread before I threw it in...

I will never take drugs again, but I still long for those irresponsible twenties! And, before I continue, Kids: Don't do drugs!

Okay. I really know where MacBeth is coming from, and to prove it:

The difference between acid and 'shrooms:

When you are on acid, the world is full of creepy, crawly, tiny little insectlike creatures--and they're all out to get you!

When you are on 'shrooms, the world is full of creepy, crawly, tiny little insectlike creatures--

And you're one of them.

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What if you don't take drugs, and you're still one of the world's creepy crawlies? [Frown]
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Woo hoo! Natural High!
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Aaah, Ralphie. Momma BuggaBugga loves the creepy crawlies! (was that Jenny Gardener? I don't remember)

Anyway, I tried drugs when I was younger and discovered that I was (violently) allergic to marijuana and speed made me sleepy. Cocaine just made me want more cocaine, and damned if that isn't just *wasteful*. It's illegal and just not that fun. *shrug* Also: expensive. I have better things to spend my money on (like books and cds! hee) than throwing up in someone's ice plants in La Jolla.

Whatever.

I was lucky to have an addict for an uncle (unlucky for him, I suppose, but he's sober now) and a mother who gave a crap about me. Drugs do ugly things to your brain, and I'm not pretty enough to get by on my looks.

I often feel trapped in my marriage and by my motherhood, but I made a commitment, and eventually I pass over into acceptance. It's a crappy day today, though, and tomorrow I will feel much better and positive about the whole thing. That's what's great about life. It continues to change.

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quote:
Does every person do drugs as a teenager?
Nah, I didn't. I did get plastered when I turned 16, but other than that I didn't do anything, drug wise, as a teenager.
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I didn't take drugs as a teenager. Really suprising, isn't it?
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Okay, where are people getting these drugs in first place? For crying out loud, I went to high school in Houston, half my hang-out buddies had been through rehab by age 15, and I STILL didn't get offered drugs of any sort until I was at a KMFDM concert when I was NINETEEN.

I couldn't have done drugs if I'd wanted to. There was no peer pressure at all!

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Mostly right...on acid you know everything but only for a little while and can't explain it coherently...On shrooms...well ok I agree you are not only not yourself but the world in which you know does not exist and you are one of the things that goes bump in the night...almost makes you feel like a predator...In a jungle kind of way...but mainly I just smoked a lot of pot. I never even gave much thought to alcohol...after seeing how violent and stupid people got..now I know someone is going to try to throw that predator line back at me...but in all fairness I have never seen anyone else on shrooms...or at least not directly paying attention to them. But in my mind weed was always a safer bet then alcohol. I just never heard any of the Got high and beat your wife stories that I hear about alcohol...It was more like get high go to sleep maybe watch a movie...whatever...uhhh I know I had a point when I started writing...Then again I suppose I did enough in my teen years for a whole life time...and in answer no not everyone does drugs as a teen...but if you are (which I am not advocating) As a teen is the only time in your entire life when youcan do so without such dire reprecussions
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People randomly offering you drugs everywhere you turn are for the most part an anti-drug propaganda exaggeration. Too bad. That is too dangerous for the dealer. If you are looking for them, they are not that hard to find, depending on the drug you are looking for. I do not recall ever being offered pot in high school, but when I decided to use it I had no trouble getting it. I just waited until I could be punished under the full extent of the law if I got caught. [Smile] I wish now that I had smoked it a lot earlier, but I suppose it is for the best that I waited.
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I have never, not once in my life, ever been offered drugs of any kind.

I've also never had a stalker.

I think people don't like the way I look, or summin'. [Frown]

[ September 16, 2003, 10:23 PM: Message edited by: Ralphie ]

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I have never seen drugs offered in a pressuring kind of way...If they ask you and you say no...they say More for me [Big Grin]
and drop it [Razz]
And I would think not being stalked means that youare at least an aproachable person even to sickos...hey is that why your always posting in my threads?

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I've never taken drugs, either. But then, I'm still 18.. Drug dealers, you're running out of time!

Nah, though, I don't even like drinking caffiene or taking my asthma meds much...

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I can't stress enough..if someone offers you any kind of pill...DON"T TAKE IT
I include all things in that form
Or snorting or shooting up.
Your just asking for trouble with these mediums.
I knocked a friend out one time when he told me he had smoked crack.
He complained that we were friends and I told him thats why I did it.
Sure by all legal standards I am insane from shroom and acid use...however..I never once had to worry about Dieing

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*cringe*
I'm about as anti-drug as it's physically possible to get, so this whole thread has taken a very depressing turn for me. [Smile]

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