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Okay, we got into a debate here at work on music genres, and I see a definate split according to age (ages of those here at work) on our definitions.
Boss A and I say that songs sung by Clay Aiken, Elton John, etc. (those types of songs) do classify as Pop. They are pop singers (This whole conversation came about through a discussion about American Idol).
The younger guys here say Pop is singers like Brittany Spears, Justin Timberlake, Avril Lavigne, etc.
We (the boss and I say they are pop TOO, but the first group also counts as pop, even though the style is much different -- kind of a crooner style, like Frank Sinatra and Tom Jones)
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pop = popular music. Different generation/decades but still the popular music of the time. The stuff you would hear on top forty station across the nation.
You and your Boss are right
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Well yeah....I'd say they're both pop, but there are about four gazillion different forms of pop....so....
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I think Avril is on the edge, as she is very strongly punk (even if it is wimp-punk) influenced, but the rest are certainly all from the same branch of rock.
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There are many different subgenres of pop. Lots of different stuff gets lumped together under the broad umbrella of pop music.
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Britney and Justin are bubblegum (like the sixty's song about Mr. Postman), Elton John is adult contemporary (like the less-country John Denver). Both are different styles of the broad category of "pop", and both are equally mind-numbing.
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Bubblegum...annoying...like a nasty sticky thing stuck on the bottom of your shoe...wholly appropriate....Hmmm.
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Like The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones vs. The Who!
Because most of the guys I work with are like 21 or 22 years old -- my boss & I are over 40. So we don't know if those young'uns even KNOW the music of the Stones....
(no offense intended to the youngsters here -- we know you are much more cultured than the people I speak of above.
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FG - they seem better the the debates or discussion I have here at school. My students all assume that I listen to country music because I'm white. It's fun to shock them with my current knowledge of hip hop. Although I don't mention my true tastes because they wouldn't even begin to understand. (I'm a hippie rock (jam band) and folk rock fan for the most part but do appreciate almost all genres to some extent)
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quote: pop = popular music. Different generation/decades but still the popular music of the time. The stuff you would hear on top forty station across the nation.
That's not quite true. Eventually pop turns into oldies. I'm not sure where the cutoff is, though.
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quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pop = popular music. Different generation/decades but still the popular music of the time. The stuff you would hear on top forty station across the nation.
That's not quite true. Eventually pop turns into oldies. I'm not sure where the cutoff is, though.
I disagree to an extent. Yes they are considered oldies but they still qualify as pop because they were the popular songs of that time. Once pop, always pop. They just get an additional tag after so many years. Notice I say additional not replacement. Posts: 1294 | Registered: Oct 2003
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quote:My students all assume that I listen to country music because I'm white. It's fun to shock them with my current knowledge of hip hop.
I get the same thing from a lot of people. Either that, or they think I do because I'm over 30. Many times, I've wished I had a camera when people find out that I listen to Metallica or Red Hot Chili Peppers or any number of other non-country bands. And the thing is, I really don't like much country music at all - most of the old stuff is too twangy for my taste, and a lot of the new stuff seems to me to be just pop with a southern accent.
And, as far as the pop or not debate - I've always thought that pop is just rock without real passion. Which means that the same song can be pop or rock, depending on who sings it and how they interpret it. And the same singer can work in both genres. For example, as far as I'm concerned, some Elton John (usually his more recent stuff) is pop and some (the earlier albums)is rock.
Third: Beatles, Stones, and Who? Apples, oranges, and pineapple. All great in their own ways.
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My roommates make fun of me because I'm too snobby to listen to pop, but I secretly enjoy "Genio Atrapado" and have it on a world music playlist.
I also sometimes turn on Destiny's Child and TLC when I'm cooking and no one else is home. For some reason, you have to cook to either 90's dance music or hip hop.
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quote: My students all assume that I listen to country music because I'm white.
So if I look Hispanic, am I supposed to like Latin music? Somebody please tell me that the older we get the less we "judge a book by its cover."
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Pop is canned music from a factory. Hire some studio musicians, pay someone to write the music, pay someone to write some lyrics, pay a marketer to re-write the lyrics in order to sell more, hire some backup vocalists, pay some chick to do the lip-sync for the music video and “live” tour.
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Elton has been pop probably since that "21 at 32" album (please correct me if I am wrong about the title, because I am too lazy to look it up).
He's also adult contemporary (which is basically saying "pop music for the over-38 set).
BTW: My guilty pleasure (and I can't believe I am confessing this) the "Toxic" video by Ms. Spears. Man, that thing is hot.
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I figured it out. "Pop" music is not absolute -- it's relative to the age of the observer. It's pop music if you can remember listening to it when it was new.
For me, 50s and 60s music is not pop -- it's just oldies. For me, it requires some other label like oldies or classic rock.
As a side note, I find it interesting that as I get older, I listen to more and more music that my parents always listened to. I look in the mirror and see myself turning into an old fogie before my very eyes. Posts: 16551 | Registered: Feb 2003
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There's nothing wrong with hiring songwriters. It's a much more common practice than most would think.
Besides, as I've said before, it's called the music _industry_. Musicians need money, too. And if somebody offered to give me the kind of money that Britney Spears makes for shaking my ass in front of a few hundred thousand people, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
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