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rivka
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Annie already seconded Ringworld, so I guess I won't. [Wink] But I will second Mote in God's Eye.

I nominate Legacy of Heorot, by Niven, Pournelle, and Barnes; Octavia Butler's Dawn (first of the Xenogenesis trilogy); and l'Engle's A Wrinkle in Time.

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riv,

I woulda figured you for a LeGuin fan.

fallow

PS. kinda shocked.

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I second Dawn and A Wrinkle in Time.
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I've read some LeGuin, and enjoyed them. A bit too surreal for my taste, though. I like books that make me think; but not (as much) books that I can't figure out what the heck to think. And some of her books just move so slowly. *shrug* To each his/her own.
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too surreal? I've always found her to be one of the more calm and sensible authors in the Sci-Fi genre. populated with the socially malleable, sure, but hardly surreal!

*shrugs*

fallow

PS. I'm talking #$%*!. I still crave anything the Thieve's World folks might care to put forth.

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I'll second the Titan nomination.

Edit to add that I have to agree with rivka that some of Le Guins works make me feel like I'm wading.

[ August 11, 2004, 03:23 AM: Message edited by: punwit ]

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Audeo
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I nominate The Giver by Lois Lowry (even though it's YA, it's still Sci-fi), and A Brave New World which I never read, but I listened to it on tape and it was an absolutely awesome book. I'll third The Mote in God's Eye for what it's worth. I love that book too. Will we get to vote on these or will it just be a long list when we're done?
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Nominations:

Philip K. Dick - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Greg Bear - Eternity

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rivka
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Audeo, the voting will be at sakeriver, which allows for polling.

And I second The Giver.

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I would "third" The Giver and A Wrinkle in Time.

I can't bring myself to really like Brave New World anymore since we had to debate it in a Western Civ class at KU, endlessly, until it stripped all enjoyment of the book for me.

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Lost Ashes
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My nominations: Robert A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers and Niven/Pournelles Legacy of Heorot .

And someday, maybe, Deacon's Beacon.

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Erik Slaine
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Here's the List: (* if seconded)

Ender's Game*
Speaker for the Dead*
Nueromancer
The Lathe of Heaven*
How Few Remain
Dune*
Earth Abides*
The Mote in God's Eye*
Ringworld*
Childhood's End*
Rendevous With Rama*
Rama II*
1984*
There are Doors
On the Beach*
The War of the Worlds
Titan*
Fail Safe
Foundation*
Cat's Cradle
Dawn
A Wrinkle in Time*
The Giver*
Brave New World
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?*
Eternity
Starship Troopers
Legacy of Heorot


Thanks for all the nominations. Let's keep this open until tomorrow. The poll will be announced when ready (prob'ly this weekend). Please let me know if there is anything I missed.

And I must second Androids! [Big Grin]

[ August 11, 2004, 01:09 PM: Message edited by: Erik Slaine ]

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I've been thinking about this since yesterday.

I cannot come up with any single book that should be the best science fiction book of all time.

If were were making a top-10 list, I would be all over that action.

But I cannot in good conscience nominate nor second any book as the best one of all time.

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Please count my Nomination of Legacy of Heorot instead as a second for Rivka's nomination.
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No worries mph.

It's just a popularity contest. [Wink]

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Frederik Pohl's Gateway
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Okay ES -- now go back and put that list in alphabetical order, like a good librarian....

FG

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Erik Slaine
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It's in order of nomination. [Razz]
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Yeah, I know what this really means, but I also know what it says, and that is keeping me from participating.

I get hung up on little things that that sometimes.

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Erik Slaine
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Feel free to kibbitz, then. [Cool]
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Ouch!

*skulks away*

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Erik Slaine
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Hey, I used a cool smiley.... [Dont Know]
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No worries. I didn't even know that word, and when I looked it up, I got
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make unwanted and intrusive comments
I've decided that I'm going to pretend that this is a list of the top 10 science fiction novels of all time.

So I nominate Double Star and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and 2001.

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Erik Slaine
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Kibbitzing is also used as friendly banter in gaming. Would be a pretty dead game without it!
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Childhood's End was seconded by Annie, and Farmgirl sorta seconded Earth Abides.
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Erik Slaine
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Updated, thanks!
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rivka
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imogen said
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I second Dawn and A Wrinkle in Time.
So Dawn should have a star. As should Legacy of Heorot.
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Erik Slaine
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Here's the List: (* if seconded)

Ender's Game*
Speaker for the Dead*
Nueromancer
The Lathe of Heaven*
How Few Remain
Dune*
Earth Abides*
The Mote in God's Eye*
Ringworld*
Childhood's End*
Rendevous With Rama*
Rama II*
1984*
There are Doors
On the Beach*
The War of the Worlds
Titan*
Fail Safe
Foundation*
Cat's Cradle
Dawn*
A Wrinkle in Time*
The Giver*
Brave New World
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Eternity
Starship Troopers
Legacy of Heorot*


Here's an attempt at an updated list, thanks rivka!

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quote:
So I nominate Double Star and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and 2001.
*ahem*
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Ooop.

Let's try this again....

Here's the List: (* if seconded)

Ender's Game*
Speaker for the Dead*
Nueromancer
The Lathe of Heaven*
How Few Remain
Dune*
Earth Abides*
The Mote in God's Eye*
Ringworld*
Childhood's End*
Rendevous With Rama*
Rama II*
1984*
There are Doors
On the Beach*
The War of the Worlds
Titan*
Fail Safe
Foundation*
Cat's Cradle
Dawn*
A Wrinkle in Time*
The Giver*
Brave New World
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?*
Eternity
Starship Troopers
Legacy of Heorot*
Gateway
Double Star
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress*


Sorry mph!

*seconds Harsh Mistress*

[ August 11, 2004, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: Erik Slaine ]

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[Eek!]

I don't know how you've done it -- but Fallow has posted some very understandable, intelligent posts in this thread..... is this a new trend? [Wink]

Farmgirl

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quote:
Kibbitzing is also used as friendly banter in gaming
And here I thought it meant living on a communal farm in Israel! [Wink]

I actually feel the same way porter does--it's why I haven't nominated anything until now. I want to play too, though, so I'll nominate a couple that should be on the list:

Ursula K. Leguin's Left Hand of Darkness
David Brin's Kiln People
Theodore Sturgeon's More than Human

...and oh, what the hell, Maureen McHugh's China Mountain Zhang

Elaine, after this is all finished, would you have any interest in doing one for best short SF?

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It's the influence of the fair rivka, I tell you!

I usually make fallow more random... [Dont Know]

Edit: That sounds fun Noemon!

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I know it's not a novel, but I second I, Robot anyway.
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Since I see that Eric has already seconded Androids, I would like to nominate The Man in the High Castle by Philip K Dick and I will second The Left Hand of Darkness.
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I'll second Man in a High Castle. I thought about nominating it myself, actually.
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I second 2001: A Space Odyssey
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thrak: a newbie w/taste.

mph: Save individual stories in I Robot for the short story polls.

Noemon and thrak: A freind of mine had the idea to work on a High Castle screenplay. He wanted to represent the old man that the protagonist meets in Aspen with Adolph Hitler as a very ancient man. Subtle. It could work....

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Here's the List: (* if seconded)

Ender's Game*
Speaker for the Dead*
Nueromancer
The Lathe of Heaven*
How Few Remain
Dune*
Earth Abides*
The Mote in God's Eye*
Ringworld*
Childhood's End*
Rendevous With Rama*
Rama II*
1984*
There are Doors
On the Beach*
The War of the Worlds
Titan*
Fail Safe
Foundation*
Cat's Cradle
Dawn*
A Wrinkle in Time*
The Giver*
Brave New World
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?*
Eternity
Starship Troopers
Legacy of Heorot*
Gateway
Double Star
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress*
Left Hand of Darkness*
Kiln People
More Than Human
The Man in the High Castle*
2001 a Space Odyssey*


(I missed 2001, sorry!)

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Erik, I think that would work for a High Castle screenplay. I nominated High Castle because I feel it is one of Dick's best, but my personal favorites are Eye in the Sky and A Scanner Darkly.
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A Scanner Darkly is in production right now.

*bounces*

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I have heard about a Linklater movie that will be filmed like Waking Life. That would be a very cool adaptation.
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mph: Save individual stories in I Robot for the short story polls.
That just won't work for me. I don't remember very many specific robot stories. They have melded into one world in my mind.

*seconds I, Robot again* [Razz]

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That means I'll have to hurry and read it. Really, I've read a lot of Ph. K. Dick but they never published A Scanner Darkly in Romania... [Grumble]

Edit: Erik, I think we have a malfunctioning one here ! Get me the tools so I can deactivate him... errr... it ! [Razz]

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I'm enjoying all of these stories of Dick's being brought to the screen today. I always knew that they would make good movies. Some attempts at this are better than others, however.
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mph is cool.

I would have to say that I enjoy short story collections myself, but prefer Dick's short stories almost above all others. The man knew good quick fiction!

But they aren't novels.

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I'd like to nominate The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers and The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe

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They aren't novels, is true. But they are so good that they are better novels than many novels, even though they aren't novels. [Razz]

*seconds I, Robot out of pure bull-headedness*

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Deactivate !
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