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He was asked to leave, Farmgirl. I'm not here enough to follow all the threads - I'm still trying to pick up the pieces of whatever happened with CT and her husband . . . awful difficult with deletions all over the place -
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Wow......um that's like....horrible. I kinda liked the guy. Was thinking about visitinghim since I'm in Cali. durn it.
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I believe that some of fallow's over-the-top posts (which I noticed had been edited and/or deleted) last week may have been the final straw. But that's totally a guess.
And Stan, there are other Jatraqueros in SoCal, you know. Posts: 32919 | Registered: Mar 2003
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Dam, I kinda liked him, I mean he was mildly amusing sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes.
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I have to admit that fallow's goal almost always seems to make sure that you don't know what he's talking about.
Maybe he decided that the best way to do that is to stop posting at all. Then we'll have no clue what he's talking about. Posts: 16551 | Registered: Feb 2003
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I figured...but I don't go thru every profile stalking people. I just happened to notice that was in the same area that a guy that I work with is from. However, I am in VA again right now, and am going up to MI after the race. By thursday I will be in Dallas, TX. I have no clue where I will be after that. I just know that I have to be back in San Diego by sept 2nd.
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Anyway, there's a substantial SoCal clump, and we need to have another get together soon-ish. Maybe you'll join us? *hopeful*
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Highly depends on the when for me on anything. Any and every off weekend I have I am going backpacking with a frind of mine from work. On top of all that I just transferred from the machinery space to the office. I spend a lot of time (way too much) doing paperwork and and maneuvers.
I do have one thing going for me. I have 65.5 days of leave saved up on the books. We get 30 a year and can't be over 60 at the end of the fiscal year (I think). I know I have use or lose days.
My boss knows this and is ready for me to start submitting leave chits as often as I can. which means I'll probably only submit 1 or 2. I only take 2 leaves a year if that many.
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skillery, are you trying to prove you can be as obnoxious as fallow was wont to be? While I might not have phrased it quite as Icarus did, I agree with his assessment.
I had no problem with fallow being irrelevant and incomprehensible (except when he did it all over someone's landmark or other emotionally laden thread). But when he was deliberately and repeatedly both insulting and inflammatory, after being asked a number of times (by me, among others) to knock it off, he lost all my sympathy.
He got away with an awful lot of garbage, for a long time.
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I think Fallow is generally harmless. Did he post something recently that was especially out of line?
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Quite a few things. Most of which were deleted by the next morning -- sometimes by him, sometimes by the mods.
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Really. Hmm, so I guess there weren't people -- including me -- who defending fallow's right to be here for a LONG time? Until he started consistently attacking people? And mucking up threads that were full of emotional vulnerabilities?
Interesting that you seem to be taking this so personally, skillery.
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Icarus, please post more. Please, Icarus, post more. Post more, please, Icarus. Icarus! Please post more! Icarus, post more, please.
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Skillery, I once felt the same way you did. During my early hatrack days, I was very frustrated by what I perceived was a double standard. While some of the older members were allowed to dish out a lot of verbal abuse, the newer members seems to be kept on a much shorter leash.
And the MOST frustrating thing is that whenever a Hatrack icon steps out of line, their actions are generally excused by "oh, that's just the way he/she is, he/she didn't mean it."
I thought this was a pretty unfair way to run a forum and it has kept me away for a long time. But after a couple of months of lurking, I realized that the leeway given to icons is well deserved. After so much contribution to a forum, a person should be allowed to go off kilter once in a while.
And don't take this the wrong way, but when you first came here you were a bit of a spark plug yourself. But I think you've adapted well to Hatrack and I really enjoy having you around.
I think given more time Fallow would make the same transition. I don't know what he did, but I hope he is given a second chance. Posts: 4116 | Registered: Apr 2002
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Believe me, any of fallow's supposed "genius" was a complete fabrication of a few hatrackers. I still don't get why you guys thought he was so awesome. I can understand Thor, at least he gets his point across eventually, but fallow was just a complete waste of space who never even tried to contribute in any meaningful way. At least I, with my grumpiness and crotchety ways, am nice every now and then. He was just a complete moron all the time.
He was like listening to Wesley Willis 24/7. It's cute the first couple of songs, but by your third listening to "Suck a Panda's Cock" you realize the guy was completely insane and any sort of pleasure people got out of him was the "point and stare at the silly, crazy black man" gimmick variety. There is no genius, only a barely-held grasp on reality that allowed him to function at a level needed for people to "enjoy" his "talents." The rest is complete garbage.
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I dunno if I would trust the opinions of a man who listened to a song called "Suck a Panda's Cock" three times.
I'm not saying Fallow is a genius or anything. Even if he is nothing more than a random poster, isn't there enough room on Hatrack for a few people like him? Or did I fill the jerk quota already?
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I can't answer that question objectively. I actively despise fallow, so my opinion on the subject of his place on hatrack is rendered invalid.
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quote: Hatrack resident Reverend Mother turned out to be not-so-reverent.
Since I was the one she was not-so-reverent to, and as far as I am concerned it is over with (and not completely undeserved) Please let it rest at that.
People are that- just people. We sometimes put too much pressure on our "icons" here to be perfect, or at least to be better than others here, and that is the reason why they need to take time off sometimes.
It isn't so much that we (not that I consider myself to be among the "icons". but I have been there for 4 years now... ) destroy and rebuilt as that all on-line communities are transitory in nature, and as such are constantly evolving and morphing into new forms with new members.
So sometimes the best person snaps at someone. Sometimes someone who is normally good at communicating fails to communicate clearly.
And sometimes the forum just gets fed up with someone in general.
I had no grudge with fallow, and he was OK to me sometimes....and not so good at others. I think if he was asked to leave (and I personally don't know anything one way or another about it) there was probably a good reason for it.
I do know that he was warned in the past, both by people here and by the mods.
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Eh, for what it is worth, here is my two cents. I both like and dislike fallow. The amusing, enigmnatic, mysterious side I thought was an excellent addition to Hatrack. Fallow provided us our moment of Zen many times. Most of us had no clue what he was talking about, some of us thought we might and enjoyed wondering, and sometimes we actually figured it out and laughed.
But fallow had another side in which he toyed with people. If it was just toying, I wouldn't mind so much. But sometimes he was shockingly rude. That sort of thing just doesn't belong on Hatrack.
I wish I could have one without the other. Posts: 7050 | Registered: Feb 2004
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What the heck? I do a lot of lurking here, and I never read anything by Fallow that could be considered offensive.
This continues to confirm my suspiscion that many Hatrackers are sensitive to the point of silliness.
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quote: This continues to confirm my suspiscion that many Hatrackers are sensitive to the point of silliness.
I have to agree with you on this one. Fallow's only crime towards hatrack is derailing landmark threads, and he'd often fix those upon request.
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When I first saw Fallow, he annoyed me to no end. But I am not afraid to admit that he eventually grew on me and now I rather like the guy.
But then again, I have never read anything of Fallow's that I would dub as offensive. The couple of threads (Although I have not been frequenting Hatrack much recently so perhaps I missed most of it) I have seen people get mad at Fallow, and I am not quite sure what exactly they are so mad about. Sometimes, it's almost as if they read too much into his words.
Either that, or I have not been reading closely enough? Perhaps.
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Actually, that is part of what people find maddening about fallow. He is enigmatic enough that you are left wondering if he said something incredibly rude or if it is your fault for taking him that way. I know I have been left in that quandry more than once. And more than once I decided that he was being intentionally rude. But I decided not to get upset about it.
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fallow said a few pretty offensive things, but they were usually caught by the mods relatively quickly. One in particular was pretty bad.
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I always took fallow's efforts to be intentionally facetious and indecipherable. I did occaisionally find him funny but there were times when he was blatantly cruel. If he was banned then I would say his mission was successful.
On a lighter note I could postulate that he is no longer fallow and is cultivating his crop elsewhere.
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Thanks for the smiley TomD. I don't think I've adapted well either. But we've just demonstrated for the second time this year that Hatrack as a whole is in flux just as much as are the individual members.
Fallow was indeed a puzzler, but it was a welcome diversion from the sometimes sickly sweet mutual admiration and the frequent whining about less-than-ideal personal lives. Fallow's silliness served as a reminder and an invitation to step back from the seriousness and see things from a different perspective.
Engaging Fallow in his brand of play was always stimulating and thought-provoking. At the same time I'm probably glad that I don't have to work with him in real life. Can you imagine being in a business meeting in which Fallow asks if he can ask you a question, and then leaves you hanging, or drops something off-topic?
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Or where he would mock you for actually doing your job, but when you got offended he would play it off as all your interpetation...
I like him to a point, but I read some very rude posts he made, mainly to others and wondered why he even bothered posting here in the forst place. He often held others opinions to be os little concern, and would offend people fairly often,
Here's a clue...if the mods have ever asked you to back off, or have removed your posts, you are crossong a line.
quote:Fallow was indeed a puzzler, but it was a welcome diversion from the sometimes sickly sweet mutual admiration and the frequent whining about less-than-ideal personal lives. Fallow's silliness served as a reminder and an invitation to step back from the seriousness and see things from a different perspective.
*shrug* 90% of the time, he was like you say--silly. Sometimes even entertaining. The other 10, he was trollishly insulting, just popping into a thread to let out a few vile words very badly disguised as his normal silliness.
There are still plenty of other diversions on Hatrack. We'll get by.
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quote:Fallow was indeed a puzzler, but it was a welcome diversion from the sometimes sickly sweet mutual admiration and the frequent whining about less-than-ideal personal lives. Fallow's silliness served as a reminder and an invitation to step back from the seriousness and see things from a different perspective.
Engaging Fallow in his brand of play was always stimulating and thought-provoking.
Yeah. If I wasn't before, I'm now fairly convinced fallow was a pet pseudonym of yours. He was neither brilliant nor entertaining, despite your curiously many and strong insistences that he kept you laughing all night long. I'm glad to see he's gone -- please don't fall back into it, guy.
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"Fallow's only crime towards hatrack is derailing landmark threads, and he'd often fix those upon request."
I think of fallow's posts as intelligence tests. If you DIDN'T find them remarkably insulting most of the time, you weren't smart enough to understand that he was being insulting. From the moment he appeared on the site, he irritated me to no end -- primarily because people gave him a pass on hostile, passive-aggressive behavior that, had it been less cryptic, would have gotten anyone else banned in moments.
I found him occasionally amusing, but that hardly compensated for his penchant for jabbing people with knives and demanding that they smile about it.
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I've never thought it all that likely, but it sounds like you've got proof positive that it isn't the case, bev. How can you tell?
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A lot of Jatraqueros post while drunk, stoned, or while-wanking, especially on the weekends. The altered mental states really come through in their posts. We could probably nuke this thread and not miss it at all once we get back to the normal weekday routine.
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