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Did anyone notice that Sayid was on the T.V. in the recruting office while Kate was talking to her dad?
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I hated the Charlie episode. That's the first time I've ever really wanted Locke to be hit over the head with something large.
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This is the first time I've actually disliked an entire episode. They made Charlie, Locke, and Claire unsympathetic as characters, and unlikable. I'll give them credit for that, but overall, a disappointing episode.
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Hmm.. I disliked the episode, but liked that it increased the level of conflict. Although I didn't like the specific turns the characters took, I really like that those turns have made life on the island more complex and more interesting.
Also, with first Michael, then Charlie (and maybe even Locke) going a little nutso-paranoid is anyone else thinking about french woman's expedition? My impression was the "sickness" they all caught was a paranoia bug that made them turn on each other. Do you think the survivors are dividing into alliances? the Locke/Claire axis, the Sawyer/Kate axis, and the Jack/Ana Lucia axis?
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From Locke's perspective, Charlie is using. Charlie keeps lying and lying and lying. Why should anyone believe him when he says he hasn't actually taken it when he's lied about it every step of the way.
Yes, maybe he's seeing things the same way so many others have, but he's a junkie and he's got heroin. The simplest explanation, to Locke and everyone else, is that he's using it.
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I was disappointed with the entire episode. I felt bad for Charlie but then I also felt like he deserved it too, for not telling the truth.
I agree with Senoj and the French Woman's sickness theory, that it's a possibility at least.
Where was Jack when everything was going on with Charlie? It seemed weird since he's usually in the thick of things.
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I'm still watching but I'm a week behind so I'll tape tonight's episode so I can watch them in order. Hopefully I'll be able to be caught up by next week.
You don't get Lost in Sri Lanka (assuming that I'm remembering correctly that's where you are?) do you?
The part of 2 weeks ago that I saw last night was about Syaid (sp?) and how he became the "guy who gets information" using torture. On the island, Rousseau caught/trapped an Other and gave him to Syaid after she shot him with an arrow. So he took the prisoner back to Locke and Jack (as far as I know, they are the only ones who know about him). Jack patched him up and Syaid is locked in the amoury with the prisoner to get him to "tell the truth".
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We started watching season 1 last week Friday. We finished today. Season 2 isn't available on DVD yet, unless you count the DVD of the first half, which we don't want because we want the whole thing.
No, NOT available on TV here - it would cost too much for the local stations to pay, you see. And yes, you remember the location correctly.
So. I'm living vicariously through this thread. Well, when I get around to reading it all, that is.
Thanks. We are addicted too (even through the rough patches). Have fun watching, it's a good one.
Have you been watching 24? We just started that one and are in season 2 but it's another that I'd recommend.
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Yeah, we've seen all of it to the end of season 4. Waiting for season 5 DVDs to become available here. We have enough DVDs to watch (4400 season 2, X-Files season 4, and the rest after we watch them, Mind Your Language the rest of it, Everybody Loves Raymond, and the 100 or so movies waiting in line...) that we're not completely impatient enough to download.
I'm still watching but I'm a week behind so I'll tape tonight's episode so I can watch them in order.
Last week's episode was a rerun from Season 1. The last original espisode was the one of Sayid torturing the presumed "other."
There was another episode, between Charlie's taking of Aron and Sayid's torture episode, that I don't think made the discussion thread. It was called the Long Con and is about Sawyer. His backstory tells about a con he pulled on a woman he ended up falling for, but then taking all her money anyway. The regular story shows more paranoia as Locke and Jack are at odds (this is increasingly true) and Sawyer takes advantage of the power struggle to acquire some power of his own. How much do you want to know, quid? I could post a full summary (or you could just go here and here).
Tonight's looks to be an original, focusing on Clare's kidnapping (and maybe some of her backstory finally. I don't think we've ever had anything for her, have we?). Next week is another season 1 rerun.
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We had Claire's backstory once, the story of how she got pregnant, wanted to give the baby up for adoption, and was tricked onto the airplane by a psychic who said she absolutely must raise the baby herself. From what I can tell, tonight's flashbacks are from the period when Claire was kidnapped. Finding out what happened while she was gone and how she escaped and things of that nature. Ethan will be back during the flashbacks.
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Thanks AR. I'd forgotten, but I got curious so I went back over all the flashbacks from all the episodes. If anyone's interested: (tallies, Jack = 5, Kate = 4, Charlie = 3, Locke = 3, Sawyer = 3, Sayid = 3, Sun = 2, Michael = 2, Hurley = 2, Claire = 1, Shannon = 1, Boone = 1, Jin = 1, Ana Lucia = 1, Eko = 1)
1.1 (none) 1.2 (none) 1.3 Kate 1.4 Locke 1.5 Jack 1.6 Sun 1.7 Charlie 1.8 Sawyer 1.9 Sayid 1.10 Claire 1.11 Jack 1.12 Kate 1.13 Boone 1.14 Michael 1.15 Charlie 1.16 Sawyer 1.17 Jin 1.18 Hurley 1.19 Locke 1.20 Jack 1.21 Sayid 1.22 Kate 1.23 Multiple (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Shannon, Sun) 1.24 Multiple (Sun, Jin, Charlie, Michael, Hurley)
2.1 Jack 2.2 Michael 2.3 Locke 2.4 Hurley 2.5 Sun 2.6 Shannon 2.7 (none) 2.8 Ana Lucia 2.9 Kate 2.10 Eko 2.11 Jack 2.12 Charlie 2.13 Sawyer 2.14 Sayid
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Charlie's episode mostly bothered me because it was the first time it felt like things were occuring entirely because the writers wanted them to (perhaps to raise conflict levels in the group, which they may feel are getting too nicey-nicey) rather than rising believably out of the characters.
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Interesting (and probably only a coincidence) but every Charlie flashback episode is followed by a Sawyer flashback episode.
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Actually, the first Charlie episode was followed by Sawyer, Sayid, and Claire. In the second season, it is Charlie, Sawyer, Sayid, and tonight's Claire again. Patterns, yay.
I wonder if the young woman who helped Clare escape from the Others is Rousseau's daughter? Since Rousseau then carried Clare back to camp (without seeing the girl), that would mean mother and daughter independantly helped Clare escape despite being separated soon after birth.
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So, "Beard Guy" (and by implication, the rest of the Others) is really a Dharma Initiative operative of some sort in disguise. Interesting.
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The guy who was talking to Ethan looked both like "Zeke" (the head of the Others) and the guy who got Sayid to be a torturer. Does anyone know if it's the same actor in all three cases?
Also, what's with Kate not reacting about Alex? When Jack was confronting Zeke, wasn't Alex the one Zeke called to bring Kate forward?
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It's actually a different actor. Ethan's boss was the head of the Others, but Clancy Brown was the guy who got Sayid to be a torturer.
(Clancy Brown has been in a ton of movies and TV shows like the movie Highlander, ER and Carnivale. He's really a pretty good actor.)
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Morbo, that's what my wife and I think. The girl who got Claire out of the tunnel had the right hair color and look to be Rousseau's daughter Alexandra, but was she the right age?
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I thought that beard looked weird, but just assumed it was because it was so bushy.
The guy who was talking to Ethan in the hallway is not the CIA guy that seduced Sayid into the Dark Side.
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Rich, I googled some before my post about Alex, and the consensus was that she is old enough. Sayid's calculation of how long the radio transmission was going is only an estimate of 16 years, and could be off.
The girl in the tunnel looked to be 15-20. Hard to tell, she wasn't on screen much.
Incidentally, if you're ever stranded and need to estimate how long some nutty French woman's tape has been transmitting, #seconds in a year=31536000=approx. pi X 10 million. Just FYI.
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The way the prisoner got to Locke by asking him why Jack was in charge was to contrived. Based on past episodes, I don't think he should have been able to get under Locke's skin quite that easily.
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zgator, I agree. Making your captors argue is a hackneyed cliche, even moreso than good cop/bad cop. Although both can work if the person is naive enough.
Maybe Locke was playing a double game by smashing dishes loudly so the prisoner would think he'd been rattled?
I wonder how many seasons this show will go on? I love it, but it's very frustrating.
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I think he was rattled judging by his expression. I thought initially that it proved the prisoner was an Other, but I suppose anybody could figure out that driving a wedge between your captors is a good thing whether your a bad guy or a good guy.
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zgator, that's what I thought too. I was kind of annoyed when Locke smashed the dishes; I wanted to yell at him "Come on, you're smarter than that!" I do hope he is playing a deeper game like Morbo said, or I'm going to be very disappointed in him.
<shallow> I'm glad this was a Claire episode, as it meant lots of close-ups of her. Emilie de Ravin has such gorgeous facial features I could happily just stare at her for hours. </shallow>
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<shallow back> Stray, I also love her accent. </shallow>
I cheated and watched last night without my husband AND without watching the last half of the Sayid/torture episode. But it was worth it.
I thought this was good episode with Claire and the possibility of Rousseau's daughter. I agree about Locke's cheesy anger management issues though.
starLisa, I didn't get what you were meaning about Kate and Alex (but I also had to miss a couple minutes to help a sad kid). Did Kate see Alex other than if she saw her when she was held captive?
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quote:<shallow> I'm glad this was a Claire episode, as it meant lots of close-ups of her. Emilie de Ravin has such gorgeous facial features I could happily just stare at her for hours. </shallow>
I couldn't agree more .
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Just thought I'd mention it, since I haven't seen it mentioned here, but the prisoner's name is Henry Gale and he got there by balloon. Henry Gale is the name of the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz, who supposedly travelled there by balloon. I think that proves he is a liar.
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Actually, Henry Gale is not the name of the Wizard in The Wizard of Oz. Dorothy Gale's aunt and uncle were Auntie Em and Uncle Henry. The point is still valid, and I have to say that I'm a little surprised that Locke didn't know that.
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quote:Originally posted by Rich Lewis: Morbo, that's what my wife and I think. The girl who got Claire out of the tunnel had the right hair color and look to be Rousseau's daughter Alexandra, but was she the right age?
Sure. Alex should be about 16 years old, right?
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quote:Originally posted by zgator: The way the prisoner got to Locke by asking him why Jack was in charge was to contrived. Based on past episodes, I don't think he should have been able to get under Locke's skin quite that easily.
Yeah, but those previous episodes happened before Jack shoved him against a wall and refused to let him enter the numbers. I think Locke has a lot of anger against Jack even without Uncle Henry poking at it.
It's interesting, though. This is the first time Locke has made it clear that he sees himself and Jack as the two leaders of the Losties.
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quote:Originally posted by Stray: zgator, that's what I thought too. I was kind of annoyed when Locke smashed the dishes; I wanted to yell at him "Come on, you're smarter than that!" I do hope he is playing a deeper game like Morbo said, or I'm going to be very disappointed in him.
<shallow> I'm glad this was a Claire episode, as it meant lots of close-ups of her. Emilie de Ravin has such gorgeous facial features I could happily just stare at her for hours. </shallow>
I can't help it. Every time I see her, I get a little angry. Flashbacks to Tess killing Alex, I guess. I keep thinking, "traitorous, murderous, witch!" (witch with a b, actually).
Too much TV. Definitely.
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quote:Originally posted by sweetbaboo: starLisa, I didn't get what you were meaning about Kate and Alex (but I also had to miss a couple minutes to help a sad kid). Did Kate see Alex other than if she saw her when she was held captive?
She may not have seen her that well, but she must have known it was a teenaged girl who brought her forward, and Zeke definitely called her Alex. You'd think someone with a fugitive's instinct for survival would have picked up on that.
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Did anyone else think that Eko was about to cut his own throat there for a minute?
Also... when Kate and Rousseau were having their little face-off... my first thought was, "Rousseau, don't mess with her. She's a stone killer." Then I realized, "Hey, Rousseau is batty as can be. This could be interesting."
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Yes, 16 years was Sayid's calculation based on the looping radio message.
quote:Originally posted by starLisa: Also, what's with Kate not reacting about Alex? When Jack was confronting Zeke, wasn't Alex the one Zeke called to bring Kate forward?
Kate never saw Alex in this episode, Alex was only in the flashbacks with Clare (if it was Alex.)
I don't remember who brought Kate forward at the showdown.
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At the showdown, you don't see who brought Kate forward, but Zeke says, "Alex, bring her out." or something like that. Kate says that the bag over her head prevented her from seeing anyone, but yes, you would think that she would remember the name and guess the sex.
It's been a long time since I've seen the wizard of oz, but isn't Uncle Henry played by the same guy who plays the wizard in oz during dorothy's dream? If so, then my point is still valid. And yes, you would think Locke might know that, with his seemingly endless supply of knowledge.
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The name Henry Gale might just be a coincidence... Just like John Locke's name.
Speaking of Locke, when he threw all those dishes around I actually said outloud "NOT REPLACABLE!!!"
They waste far too much on this show... Just like that big jug of mayonaise and when they burned the plane.
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