Someone wrote a letter to my college paper with the most bizzare arguement I have ever heard. They said that if the abortion laws were overturned, couples without children would rape women so that they could then take the baby that she would be forced to have (because she could not get an abortion after the rape).
Here is one quote that really seemed odd: "It sickens me to think my sisters and nieces could be at risk of enslavement as unconsenting baby-factories."
I've heard a lot of things said in abortion debates, but never anything like this theory. It just doesn't make sense...changing abortion laws would not make rape legal, even with a "high powered lawyer" I can't imagine judges allowing this sort of thing to go on.
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If abortion were illegal, that's what we would have done. Instead we had to settle for adopting.
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Oh man... I'm sorry, but I thought it was funny too. Talk about pop culture paranoia gone to a whole new level of perversity.
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BTW, now I'm having fond memories of all the times I read the Alligator in class instead of paying attention.
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"I read one in college where the fact that Mary was an unwed mother should somehow make Christians favor abortion."
If it's any consolation, Dag, I've heard pro-lifers make the opposite argument using roughly the same logic.
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I think it's funny that he brings up the second amendment. Because obviously all those conservative pro-lifers are NRA members. Posts: 349 | Registered: May 2003
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I thought I had a good Abortion Argument. President Bush and co say that they can torture, maim, and kill enemy combatants because they are not US Citizens. To be a US Citizen you must be born in the US. Since a fetus has yet to be born anywhere--they aren't US Citizens, so they have no rights in the US, etc, etc.
Then I remembered...you are automatically a US Citizen if one of your parents are.
Oh well, back to the legalistic drawing board.
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Actually, that bit about being a citizen if born here is no longer true.
I've forgotten exactly how it works, but we don't let Maria and Jose slip across the border and have little Jesus in a car park and he gets to be a citizen anymore.
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quote:All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Are you saying some law directly overrode the 14th amendment?
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I kinda figured this would be the part that kills the whole illegal alien baby thing. How much jurisdiction does the government have over an illegal alien (Or their Illegal Alien Spawn? Sorry. I just find the word alien too odd to not throw a little science fiction in there )
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quote:The Court has accorded the first sentence of Sec. 1 a construction in accordance with the congressional intentions, holding that a child born in the United States of Chinese parents who themselves were ineligible to be naturalized is nevertheless a citizen of the United States entitled to all the rights and privileges of citizenship. 7 Congress' intent in including the qualifying phrase ''and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,'' was apparently to exclude from the reach of the language children born of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state and children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, both recognized exceptions to the common-law rule of acquired citizenship by birth, 8 as well as children of members of Indian tribes subject to tribal laws.
quote:I've forgotten exactly how it works, but we don't let Maria and Jose slip across the border and have little Jesus in a car park and he gets to be a citizen anymore.
actually we do...people complain about it...but if the kid is born in the USA, he is a citizen.
quote: I thought I had a good Abortion Argument. President Bush and co say that they can torture, maim, and kill enemy combatants because they are not US Citizens.
It still wouldn't be a good argument (even if Bush did go on the news and say that he is cool with torturing and maiming and such). The fact that our country has the dealth penalty doesn't make abortion right...it just makes something else that should be fixed.
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