I've been arguing with someone about this (I don't think that having seperate laws for what constitutes partial nudity for men vs. woman is discrimination - the one thing that is undeniably different about men and woman is their physical makeup) and I'm curious to know what some of the rest of you think. (Well, to be honest, I'm also hoping to get some more good arguments for my side of the debate. I know. Cheating. Don't tell! ) But I really am interested in general opinions on the subject. Even just a quick stop-by to let me know whether you agree or disagree that treating topless men and women differently is discrimination woudl be great. Posts: 196 | Registered: Jul 2002
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If you want to know my frank opinion I really don't think a government ought to be making laws as to nudity and what amount of it is appropriate in public places. If someone wants to go nude, thats their choices and the government has no valid stance to regulate it on. The current stance is based on christian ideas of morality, which in this case are rather silly. Personally I like wearing clothing, I don't like having bear skin on certain parts of my body touch my surrounding environment, on the other hand I don't think I should go to jail if I decide I want to go for a hike in the nude. Its our natural state, we need to get over ourselves.
But since it is regulated, its only inappropriate if you say it is. In many cultures women go topless all the time. If there are women who want to go topless, then preventing them from going topless and allowing men to do so is indeed descrimination.
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OSC did an essay about equality between men and women. He made some pretty good points. Hang on, I'll find it.
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That's fine with me. Then I might have a better chance of fooling girls into thinking I have muscles when I really don't, and they won't be able to see as much nearby to compare it to.
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The other day, I saw a slightly flabby man wearing a tight, bright blue spandex outfit in the gym. I could clearly see the outline of his penis.
I was traumatized, and it should be illegal. Posts: 1515 | Registered: Feb 2002
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All laws pertaining to what can and can't be worn are completely stupid, unless you're talking about a law against lederhosen.
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Women can walk around topless in NY. I know, because I went to a march where they did just that.
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No, you were right, Dag. But since I do believe that modesty is a good thing, and and that some levels of immodesty in public should be prohibited, I thought I'd go ahead and answer Yogi's question anyway.
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In a lot of places there's theoretically a prohibition on males being topless in many situations, its just those restrictions are often ignored. Usually when the courts are asked the question in instances I've seen the answer isn't that women can go topless, period, but that women can go topless anywhere men can go topless.
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I think both sides are being silly. The side for top-down saying that women going topless will have to register as sex offenders. And the other side that asserts that crimes against women will only increase if women start sunbathing topless. C'mon. Get real.
I don't care either way, though I think anyone, male or female, going topless in inappropriate circumstances is socially inept. At the beach, it wouldn't offend me. In a restaurant or walking around the mall, it would. Shirts and shoes, puh-lease.
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Agreed...which is to say that I don't care if they make it legal for women to go topless in CA as long as women do it tastefully.
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quote:St. Yogi -- for no new reason that you aren't already aware.
Would it test your restraint?
Would it be sinful?
Would you be afraid for the children who might be exposed to the horrors of the human body before marriage?
Do you fear that men who were unsure wether they wanted to rape a women would just be pushed over the edge by seeing them topless?
There are many reasons you might not want women to go around topless. Why did you not just answer Yogi's question?
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I'll put it another way: I don't care if they make it legal for women to go topless even if women do it tastelessly.
The law does not have to reflect taste. If these women choose to be tasteless, that does not mean the law is inadequate; it means that the women are.
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My personal preference would be to have many people running around nude. This would most strikingly contrast the prim purity and virtue of my own long skirts and clogs.
And headcoverings. I am working on a selection of scarfs. At some point, I shouldn't be visible at all.
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Dag, would you represent me if I were just a disembodied voice? (Pending certification, of course. Yours, not mine. I don't think there is a registry for disembodied voices.)
"Your Honor, my client has no hands to raise."
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You mean my lines where I mocked him for being afraid of answering?
So, you are saying, that he was worried that his values might be challenged?
I think that says something about someones values when they are afraid to try and defend them, don't you?
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Sure. I'd have to figure out the whole eye-contact thing. Very important to make eye-contact with the jury, you know.
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quote: No, he probably just didn't feel up to dealing with the boorish mocking he was expecting about those beliefs.
Well now you're jumping to the conclusion that I would have mocked him had he explained himself. You'd be quite wrong, though I'm sure you love thinking of me as some anti-religion maniac.
quote:Funny you jumped right to a fear motive, though. Is that how we should interpret your motives whenever you don't respond to something?
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I just can't respond without saying you're bullshitting again, so I'll avoid that, Dag.
I will answer this though:
quote: Then maybe you ought not to impute motives to others with no evidence
Then maybe you should just tell me what you think his motives are without me having to make assumptions for you to finally say it.
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quote:I just can't respond without saying you're bullshitting again, so I'll avoid that, Dag.
Man, you are a little passive-aggressive pissant, aren't you? And apparantly one with quite an ego, although it's not quite clear which part you think is bullshitting.
quote:Then maybe you should just tell me what you think his motives are without me having to make assumptions for you to finally say it.
Because, unlike you, I don't go assigning motives to other posters. Edit: I will, however raise possible alternative motives when someone else decides to do it for them.
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