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Dagonee
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Actually, I said "might" in that post, not "most likely."

The post with "probably" was after your little fear digs and the mocking of his beliefs.

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I made digs because he was afraid of answering. You yourself have said he was.

Wether his fear was over getting annoying taunts or his fear was of having to defend his ideals is the question. I was asking if you were saying he was afraid to defend his ideals. (Though I'm sure you wouldn't of phrased it that way had you been saying it.)

You then made the assumption.

But really, who cares?

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After seeing the squabbling that happened without me explaining further, I'm now glad that I didn't.

One my my recent resolutions is to not participate in contentious discussions on hatrack. There are times where you can't answer all questions without it starting/continuing a fight.

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Dagonee
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quote:
But really, who cares?
Exactly. So what was the point of the original, rude post?

And no, I didn't say he was afraid. When I don't participate in a discussion because of how I think it will go, it's because it's bothersome, not because I'm afraid of it.

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kyrie
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children, children [Roll Eyes] shesh!
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jebus202
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Oh yes, the little boy connotations of "afraid".

a·fraid
adj.
1. Filled with fear: afraid of ghosts; afraid to die; afraid for his life.

2. Having feelings of aversion or unwillingness in regard to something: not afraid of hard work; afraid to show emotion.

3. Filled with regret or concern. Used especially to soften an unpleasant statement: I'm afraid you're wrong.

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Dagonee
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Wll, under that definition, the answer to your original question:

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I think that says something about someones values when they are afraid to try and defend them, don't you?
is a big, fat, "No."

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Ok, this is where it's getting complicated and stupid since I used the word afraid twice in my post each with a different meaning. But it doesn't really matter.
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kyrie
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I repeat, Cildren! Children!

It is quite anoying when you divert a perfictly good thread about an intresting topic to MINDLESS BICKERING.
Try creating a thread just for your squabbling, and leave ligitamet threads alone.
You have long sence killed the original topic of debate. [No No]

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I think women should be allowed to strut around in the nude all they want.

Not men, though.

And only HAWT women.

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Well, this thread certainly died quickly.
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Dagonee
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Kyrie, that one was actually a productive exchange. [Razz]

[ January 31, 2005, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]

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I got back from work, came to Hatrack to check out this thread, and was all excited when I saw that it had grown to two pages.

Then I opened it up.

[Smile]

But seriously, back to the debate, if you set aside the issue of making laws about nudity - in other words, if you assume that the government should be allowed to make such laws - do you think that having separate laws for men and woman are inherently unfair? If you assert that the "taboo" of nudity is nothing more than a cultural taboo, then shouldn't the fact that men walking around topless vs. women walking around topless would cause different reactions be taken into consideration? After all, according to this argument, the whole concept of nudity is defined by culture, so if the general culture considers topless woman to be partially nude, whereas it does not consider that true for men, shouldn't that affect the laws aboutnudity?

Is it legal in most states for women to walk around topless?

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quote:
if you assume that the government should be allowed to make such laws - do you think that having separate laws for men and woman are inherently unfair?
No, I don't.
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dread pirate romany
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I like the idea of women being allowed to legally be topless wherever men can be. I think that if we can innure men to the sight of the female breast, "de-sexualize" it so to speak, things will be easier for women all around. (But not for liquor companies, of course- how wil they make their money when women's breasts no longer sell things?)
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Women have other body parts. They'll just promote those.
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The breast isn't the only body part that sells product. As Tom pointed out, we see images of legs, backs, necks... Men are more likely to be stimulated visually and advertisers will continue to promote goods with visuals that get our attention. Inuring the public to the display of breasts won't stem the tide of sexually based advertising.
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So, in order to be treated identically I have to wear a bra?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Chris Bridges
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I think all of the Hatrack ladies interested in striking a blow for equality should do their very best to innure me to the naked female breast. I'm certain that this will do something wonderful for the society we live in, or at least the society I live in, which is considerably smaller and has more imaginary bits.

G'head. Innure me.

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quote:
do you think that having separate laws for men and woman are inherently unfair? If you assert that the "taboo" of nudity is nothing more than a cultural taboo...
Along these lines, how does the goverment decide what is a cultural taboo, and thus irrelevant, and what isn't?

Hobbes [Smile]

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quote:
I like the idea of women being allowed to legally be topless wherever men can be. I think that if we can innure men to the sight of the female breast, "de-sexualize" it so to speak, things will be easier for women all around.
I don't like that idea at all. I like them sexualized.

[ January 31, 2005, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]

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mph: *snort*
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mr_porteiro_head
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I heard many years ago that if a woman breast feeds, her breasts stop being erogonous zones.

I was very happy when I learned that was false. [Smile]

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Every day at Hatrack I learn something I didn't want to know.

>_<

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It's usually my job to do that, rivka.
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[ROFL]
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So you decided to share the joy, mph?

Um, thanks . . .

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dread pirate romany
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quote:
I think all of the Hatrack ladies interested in striking a blow for equality should do their very best to innure me to the naked female breast.
Here ya go, Chris.

http://pictures.hypergeek.org/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=gojirama&id=fairebooby

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The expression on your face is priceless. [Smile]

'Yes, I'm breastfeeding. Now, go away before I kill you.'

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Hmm.

Lovely. And yay for mama!

But it's not working yet. Obviously this is a long term project...

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what a beautiful baby! And such a good picture of you, too. [Smile]
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dpr: Did you ever figure out what is wrong with your daughter?
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Allegra- we are currentl awaiting feacl occult results for parasites. we have done about $2000 of testing in the past month, with no real results besides "She's really, really lactose intolerant, don't even cook something with dairy" and the ped says he doesn't know any other tests to suggest. [Dont Know]

My friend's fairy is that mortal food is hard on fey systems.

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'Yes, I'm breastfeeding. Now, go away before I kill you.'
[ROFL] Well, I knew it would be a priceless shot and hubby was fooling around with different lenses- it was like, "TAKE THE PICTURE BEFORE HE'S DONE!!!".
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$2000 worth of testing and that is all you know. That stinks. I hope you know more soon. Were they able to rule out some of the things brought up in the thread? ((((dpr&family))))

That really is an adorable picture of you and your baby.

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Anyways:

I support complete desegregation! Which means you girls will have to figure out urinals.

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Heh. No. You guys will have to figure out how to put the seat up--and down. THAT'S what that means.
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NEVER!
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I know...it's oh so difficult, you poor dears [Razz]
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Gravity is on your side!
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quote:
$2000 worth of testing and that is all you know. That stinks. I hope you know more soon. Were they able to rule out some of the things brought up in the thread? ((((dpr&family))))

I know, it does suck (Thank God for insurance!!!). They ruled out Celiac's, her bllod levels of calcium are normal so I don't think we have to worry about William's Syndrome. But I wish we had a definitive answer, "This is what's wrong, and here's how we'll treat it".

(Oh, and thanks,I think Andrew is adorable in that photo too).

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quote:
Heh. No. You guys will have to figure out how to put the seat up--and down
And hit the bowl with 100% accuracy.
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O_O I forgot that part... that's KEY. [Embarrassed]
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What really confuses me is when women miss.
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The Mrs. always confuses me.
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Dagonee
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I think urine the same boat I am on that one, punwit.
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man some of the statements in this article make my brain hurt.

There are good reasons for modesty laws, Thomasson said -- "to protect the innocence of women and girls and to promote a decent society supportive of children and families."

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Yeah, Dag, Ur ethra person with good sanitary habits or ur a slob. It's funny how there seems to pee no middle ground.

[ February 04, 2005, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: punwit ]

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Oh, how you do bladder on!
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True, I guess I should a void posting any more frivolous nonsense. It's such a waste of energy.
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It does give new meaning to a stream of consciousness.
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