You simply have to. I just made it tonight and it is nothing short of EXTRAORDINARY (yes, CAPS even). It doesn't take a lot of effort, just some coffee and dark beer and all the fixin's. I loved it. It was sweet, it was spicy, it was salty, it was earthy.
<sends food-making vibes to Jatraqueros>
Did I mention how awesome it was?
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1 (14.5 ounce) can peeled and diced tomatoes with juice
1 (12 fluid ounce) can or bottle dark beer
1 cup strong brewed coffee
2 (6 ounce) cans tomato paste
1 (14 ounce) can beef broth
1/2 cup packed brown sugar
3 1/2 tablespoons chili powder
1 tablespoon cumin seeds
1 tablespoon unsweetened cocoa powder
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1 teaspoon ground cayenne pepper
1 teaspoon ground coriander
1 teaspoon salt
4 (15 ounce) cans kidney beans
4 fresh hot chile peppers, seeded and chopped
DIRECTIONS:
Heat oil in a large saucepan over medium heat. Cook onions, garlic, ground beef and cubed sirloin in oil for 10 minutes, or until the meat is well browned and the onions are tender.
Mix in the diced tomatoes with juice, dark beer, coffee, tomato paste and beef broth. Season with brown sugar, chili powder, cumin, cocoa powder, oregano, cayenne pepper, coriander and salt. Stir in 2 cans of the beans and hot chile peppers. Reduce heat to low, and simmer for 1 1/2 hours.
Stir in the 2 remaining cans of beans, and simmer for another 30 minutes.
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And coffee free coffee? *hates the taste of coffee and beer anyway* *actually cooks with alcohol occasionally, but that's another story*
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Are you asking for the reasoning behind coffee and tea in general, or decaf coffee in particular?
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Well, decaf especially. I thought that caffiene was the outlawed item- not tea or coffee. I mean, you should have had this Jasmine tea I got at a Mongolian restaurant a couple of days ago- amazing stuff.
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It's not caffiene, actually; in the original wording, it's "hot drinks". Later prophets have told us this means coffee and tea, and many Saints drink hot cocoa. I, however, limit the cocoa to when it's very cold, and only drink herbal tea as medicine when I am sick, even though they are technically not prohibited by current practice. I had a bishop who got up one day and said, "It seems to me I need to clarify something. When I have people in my office for a recommend interview saying that they drink decaf but they don't drink Coke, so they're following the Word of Wisdom, something's wrong. Caffiene is not prohibited, although like all substances which may cause dependency, it should be consumed carefully. An addiction to anything is not good. However, coffee is prohibited, and drinking decaf is just walking an imaginary line. I am telling you now that, as we are to avoid even the appearance of evil, we should not be drinking decaffinated coffee."
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This is such a Hatrack thread-- started off with a chili recipe, and ended up with a discussion of LDS practice...
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I'm thinking I'll buy a 6pack of the beer and then Tony and I can drink the rest while we eat the chilli. Posts: 4393 | Registered: Aug 2003
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Some of us just think coffee tastes nasty added to anything.
And some of us are allergic to alcohol.
But for the Mormons here: It's not publicized, but at least in the past the official answer on decaf has been "Do you have to? Well, go ahead if you must." I know because that's the answer a member of my bishopric got when I was in a Salt Lake City ward back in the late 70s. But maybe it's changed since then.
And I don't mean he got that answer from God, I mean he got it from some official person in the Office of the First Presidency.
But really, is anybody so coffee-happy they have to add it to CHILI?
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Ketchupqueesn, I find it ironic that you make the best hot chocolate ever, yet you drink it cold. Just sayin.' Do you serve it cold, too? Isn't that chocolate milk?
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See I *like* the taste of coffee. And I like using it in cooking. A good shot of espresso in a chocolate cake can raise it from just ordinary to sublime.
So I'm willing to give it a shot. I'm guessing it will add more depth and complexity to the taste, rather than just "Wow, coffee-chili."
But, each to their own.
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Liz - I agree! I had never thought of that! So kq, spill the beans - is it really the best cold-hot chocolate in the world?
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I am definitely going to try this chili. Mexican cooking often uses chocolate, so why not coffee? I bet it does add depth and flavor, and does not taste like coffee at all.
One of my favorite foods in this world is beer cheese soup from Mister Up's restaurant in Middlebury, Vt. Doesn't taste like beer in the least. I have the restaurant recipe still, i think. A friend transposed it to family size, bt it was one of those things that never quite worked, or tasted like the restaurant's.
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quote: Ketchupqueesn, I find it ironic that you make the best hot chocolate ever, yet you drink it cold. Just sayin.' Do you serve it cold, too? Isn't that chocolate milk?
No, I serve it hot-- and limit myself to once in a while, while it's warm, when it's very cold and I need something hot to warm me up, because otherwise I feel like a hypocrite.
(I will point out that I am a convert, so I can make it for my dad and his friends and none of them are violating anything by drinking it.)
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I have a friend who(for non religious reasons) has to have coffee in the following way: Brewed hot and full strength. Watered down by half. Barely warm when she drinks it.
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I make very good coffee. I love the smell. I just don't drink it-- never have, I don't like the taste at all.
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I'm telling you, OSC, this chili is awesome. It is rich and tasty and doesn't taste like coffee (it has a hint of it, yes, but it doesn't take over the dish).
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My wife, who hates beer and coffee, really liked this chili too. She even forgave the number of hot peppers in there .
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What about iced coffee and iced tea? Is that permissable?
And as long as we are discussing LDS curiosities... ever since reading Lost Boys, I've wondered exactly what the deal with underwear is. I mean, why would someone have an odd reaction to LDS underwear?
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mimsies, this is a sacred matter to those of the faith, so we probably won't get too specific. As I recall, it isn't a matter for casual conversation. These are sometimes referred to as "temple garments," and they serve to the wearer as both a reminder of vows and as an element of chaste dressing. At least, this is how I understand it.
If you are still wondering, I expect a websearch on "Mormon" and "temple garments" would give some more thorough answers, although you will of course find links to some sites which are derogatory of the practice of this faith. Such is the wonder that is Google.
[Re-Edit: [Link Deleted] is a pretty specific page, and it seems relatively decent. I will, of course, remove the link if there should be any objections to it.]
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why thankyou! researching "Mormon" and "underwear" gave too many weird places. "Temple Garments" is probably a better search parameter. Thanks Again!
I think i'll try clusty.com which clusters result by topic. I might avoid the negative ones that way.
EDIT:Thanks for the link. That is VERY interesting. It seems silly to ridicule people for that. Then again, I never understood people ridiculing other people for their beliefs and their faiths.
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CT, the link does seem pretty decent-- except that it's explicitly discussing things I'm really not sure should be discussed. :|
And no, iced tea or coffee are not permissible. Basically, the original language has been clarified for us by later prophets to be coffee and tea.
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'Sokay, it purported to be from a faithful, endowed member, so I can see where you wouldn't have known it really was too explicit. I don't blame you.
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I've been here long enough to realize that the details are not for casual conversation (honestly, I know this, and I should be held accountable). I just was fretting about mimsies plowing through goodness-knows-what, and I figured a heads-up along with hanging around to delete if desired would do.
Mind you, an email would have served better, come to think of it, but I'm kinda sleepy. I need to nap before the cello concert tonight, that's for dang sure.
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I'm intrigued by this recipe, but then I rememer the time my friend brought me some chocolate flavored beer on the premise that I like chocolate, and I like beer, so I'll love this. Some things should not be.
Beer in chili though...yum.
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I'd be suprised if anyone didn't like this chili. You'd really have to be a tasteless wonder to not.
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You had me until the coffee... My interpretation of the Word of Wisdom is pretty liberal. I have no problem cooking with alcohol, because most of it cooks out, and what's left isn't enough to worry about. (My own favorite chili recipe has a bottle of beer in it. My nonmember husband drinks the other three bottles.)
But darn it, coffee doesn't cook out, and even I can't think of a rationalization that will let me use it.
By the way, most grocery-store brands of coffee (Maxwell House, etc.) smell and taste icky. More expensive coffee like Gevalia, on the other hand, smells and tastes good. I liked it with milk and sugar. Sometimes I miss it. Oh, well, if it wasn't tasty, it wouldn't be a particularly worthwhile sacrifice to give it up. (Why can't there be a religion where we vow to give up something unpleasant, like sticking our fingers into electrical outlets?)
Before I converted, back when I still drank coffee, we belonged to the club that Gevalia has where they send you coffee shipments every few months. Once, we quit the club, and they gave us a free canister to rejoin. Then we quit again, and they gave us another free canister. The next time we quit, and we got a free coffeemaker for rejoining. Then we quit for good and moved to another address, so we never knew what they would have offered us to rejoin. (The free bathrobes, maybe? Those looked comfy.)
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I've had a chili that had beer and coffee in it before. It was horrible.
My chili usually wins the annual Chili cook-off at work but it isn't a recipe that is written down anywhere. I always make it to taste. It's a ground beef, chili bean, chili powder, tomato sauce, and crushed tomatoes sort of chili.
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I hate chili (and I grew up in New Mexico!) I hate beer (but LOVE Bears) and only tolerate coffee for my asthma!
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