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Sorry for making ANOTHER thread but the other one I found was 14 pages long.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DUMBLEDORE DIED!!!!!!!!
My brother curse his soul for all eternaty spoiled the ending for my so i didn't believe him until I finished my copy.
But on another level I underdstand this decision Harry has to stop being dependant on Dumbledore's protection and has to stand up to Tom Riddle himself. As for Snape, I still stunned, we go through the like 5 books all hearing how Dumbledore has somekind of rock solid reason to trus Snape and Snape just kills him. I don't understand could've Dumbledore made a huge mistake?
Other then that, whose this R.A.B? An old friend of Dumbledore we don't know about dispite the fact that Dumbledore said Tom had no friends? Could be a girlfriend we don't know about?
And for Snape being the Prince I should've known, being the bloody potions teacher! But I just assumed it was Riddle, and geuss what I was wrong.
Once again JK Rowling shocks me again with plot twists which to my understanding I should just give up trying to predict the ending, hats off to her. Posts: 1567 | Registered: Oct 2004
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Interesting, though I'm thinking not, was Riddle in Hogwarts at the same time as Black? They had to not only have known each other but at the very least RAB would've cared for Riddle in some way to hope Riddle will one day regain his humanity. And ya when I have more time I'll check it out.
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Regulus was Black's younger brother, so, I'd say that's extremely unlikely that they were at Hogwarts together, unless Voldemort was at Hogwarts AFTER James, Lily and the others were there.
And if you remember from previous books, Regulus was involved with Voldemort and the other Death Eaters. Reread Order of the Phoenix for more information.
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Riddle was in school 50 years prior to Harry's sencond year as was Hagrid. Sirius was there with Harry's dad and Regulas was YOUNGER than him so there is no way he was at school with Riddle. You really should read through the other thread.
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Yeah, we've hit on most of the common theories and some people have thought of some new ones that are quite intriguing and plausible. Go read it, it's fun! (I had to do this too, I didn't finish the book until the thread was up to page 9 or 10.)
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Does anyone think that Harry ought to destroy that thing anyway and that the note was left as the simplest ruse to protect the amulet? (Dumbledore said the magic was crude.)
Can anyone detect magic around here now that Dumbledore is gone?
I knew that Albus had to go, although I didn't want it to happen. As long as there was someone protecting Harry, the final confrontation would not be his. It's the quest formula. He has to prove what he has learned and grow up.
What killed *me* was that Snape did it. I honestly held out hope for him right up to the moment he spoke the words. And then I finished the chapter in shock.
I did entertain about half way through that Snape was the HBP: his closet in the potions room.
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Ele, a lot of us felt the same way. We all have our own hopes and dreams about Snape. I still think he's on the good side. (Go read that thread, it's got so many good theories!)
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Though, I think a clone, Dumbledorre will arrive in the second movie, but things will not be as they seem ::spooky laugh::
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It would not be impossible for Rowling to figure out a way to bring Dumbledore back in some form, especially given that he is repeatedly associated with a pheonix.
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I think Dumbledore is dead, for the simple reason that Jo has maintained since book IV that when you're dead, you don't magically come to life. Ever.
That, and the fact that while Dumbly's death might have been the worst thing to happen to Harry and the Order, it's not the worst thing to happen to Dumbly himself. He's too busy having his next great adventure to bother turning into a phoenix.
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Rowling once said that the Order communicated through their Patronuses...DD Patronus is a Pheonix, and at the Funeral harry thought he saw a Pheonix fly out of the flame...
Now that could just be his spirit or something of that sort...or, and I know its far fetched, it could be DD communicating with his patronus!
I Believe that DD is dead...but their is that unexplained scene at the funeral with the flames and the pheonix.
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On pg 645..."Harry thought for one heart-stopping moment, that he saw a pheonix fly joyfully into the blue, but the next second the fire had vanished".
I dont know could just be a sentimental touch...but its always fun to speculate!!
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Voldemort wasn't dead. Then there is the whole question of whether or not Snape was really Snape. I mean, there is polyjuice potion. Why couldn't Dumbledore and Snape have changed places?
I'm just saying.
And the thing I hated about this book was how completely out of character Dumbledore acted throughout the entire book. I really felt this book was a season cliff-hanger. It pissed me off.
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Dumbledore acted perfectly in character he knew he may not live soon so decided to do the best he could to help harry the best he could. What as I said disturbed me was that Dumbledore seemed absolutely blind to Snape, I geuss he never heard about the unbreakable vow? Is that why SNape betrayed Dumbledore? I gotta check that other thread now...
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quote: And the thing I hated about this book was how completely out of character Dumbledore acted throughout the entire book.
In his defense, he's a crippled old man concealing at least three huge secrets from the same person he's trying to train. (Don't ask me why he doesn't unburden himself of some of these secrets; I think he just likes being smarter than everyone else. *laugh*)
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Dumbledore is actually dead, and the extent of his return will be a note and/or the portrait.
Oh, and the pensieve.
Snape is on the good side, or should I say he is on Dumbledores' side, even more so now because of Snape's role in his death.
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Just finished. No energy for the other thread.
Dumbledore is dead. Although he did say to Malfoy right before that "we can make you look dead." Still, I think he is dead. Snape killed him as was prearranged between them so he could continue in his role as Voldemort supporter.
Dumbledore's death brought me back to The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe/Christ. I think he knew his moment was coming, and was sad about it, but went through with it nonetheless.
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quote:For Hogwarts-school he, Albus, ran (The witchcraft school of wizardry): Where elves cooked meals in the pan; Where stairwells trapped a stumbling man; Where there was much to see: A great big forest for a ground, With centaurs living all around; A hospital with drugs and pills; A great entrapping willow tree: Right up in England’s northern hills Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.
But O! That deep romantic chasm (slanted) Has been revealed to just be a cover! A savage place! Not holy but enchanted For Albus Dumbledore has been then ranted By many whom we know are demons-lovers. And then to kill him making us all seethe, Whilst Albus is unable but to breathe…! By Avada Kedavra he was cursed, Until the lively spirit from him burst; He died without a knowledgeable trail, Against the Dark he knows that we’ll now fail. He will remain dead, he won’t live – for ever! O when he took a sail then by the river
With Harry by him, rowing with slow motion, While death-consumers through the school-halls ran, And raced up stairs as quickly as one can – Especially the maker of the potion! Amid this turmoil Harry knew from far, That this damned battle will not end the war.
The shadow of the death of pleasure Ending with a land of graves; Agony could not be measured As he fared a goodbye wave. For Voldemort that day’d devise To stare at death with laughing eyes.
A demon with a wand at hand In real life he saw: He was the one whose name’s not said, And Harry on the ground he laid: Screeching with a Crucioed pain. Could I revive within myself His pain that lasted long? To such a depth ‘twould kill me That to think of deeds so wrong I would stop the daily fire from flare, The day rethought – not played with dice! And all who saw would stare right there And all should cry, “Beware! Beware!”, The Dragon sleeps within his lair!
Kill the Lord – the Devil’s vice – And stare at him with holy dread: For he on bone, flesh, blood had fed And he to men was never nice.
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I have a weird question: What does Hermione get from the boys for Christmas?
Most of the time the Christmas morning scene is told from Harry's perspective; we find out what Harry and Ron gave each other, but no information on what Hermione received.
I hope in at least one of the books they mentioned what the boys gave her, but I can't really remember which one.
/derailment
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Last year (book 5) Ron gave her unusual smelling perfume. It mentioned what Harry gave her as well, I think, but I don't remember what it was.
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I do remember the homework planners. I wasn't aware that Hermione got perfume from Ron. That is a totally come on gift.
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lol, poor Ron getting the love potion from Vane .
.... actually speaking of which why was it again half the girls at Hogwarts wanted to go out with Harry again? Was it the thing at the Ministry?
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I was leaning towards Evil Snape, but I just reread in GoF where Dumbledore is making plans after Voldemort returns and says something to the effect of "Severus, are you prepared to do what you must do?" And he looks paler than usual and left. What's his task... go back?
And, since it's a new thread, I'm gonna put this out there for people to discuss: Harry is a Horcrux. Either he's the 7th part of V's soul or the 8th. Yes, it was an accident, and I'll back it up more when I'm not at work
Harry and Ginny will elope in the beginning of Book 7. Yeah, it's real easy to predict that they'll get back together, but based off what Mrs. Weasley said about people running off and eloping last time V came to power, I think that's what Harry and Ginny will do.
Then they'll die together in the end.
(I tend not to make many friends when I give my predictions... I wonder why)
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Harry is not a horcrux. And Dumbledore will not come back, not because Rowling can't make him come back, she clearly has a couple of existing ways (or could invent a new one), but because she won't bring him back. She was bawling when she wrote that scene. She would lose all credibility by toying with the readers' emotions and people wouldn't want to read anything else she writes after HP.
I wonder, if Harry and Ginny get back together near the beginning of the book, will Harry tell her all about his lessons with Dumbledore? He promised not to tell anyone but Hermione and Ron, and seems like he really wants to keep that promise. I'm guessing that unless he gets the OK from portrait-Dumbledore to tell a few other people, he won't get back together with Ginny until later in the book.
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I think Riddle was planning on making a Horcrux with Harry's death, and something happened. He may not be a Horcrux, but he has something of Riddle's on account of it, I'm sure of that.
And I agree completely with Tom - Dumbledore is really dead, and Snape isn't a bad guy.
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I remeeber that scene too, interesting how we all still have hope for Snape despite what he did. And quite possibly Harry is a Horcrux considering we don't actually know if Riddle found an artifact or Ravenclaw or griffendor.
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I don't see how Riddle finding or not finding a Ravenclaw or Gryffindor artifact has anything to do with whether or not Harry is a horcrux. He was planning to use Harry's death to create one, so he definitely had an object.
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i think harry is a horcrux.it all comes from riddle thinking that theres nothing worse than death. he made harry a horcrux because he thought there would be no way harry would sacrifice himself
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Authenticity. ALWAYS authenticity! I refused to buy the Yank one, and it was one long, hard battle for the Pommy version. But I got it by pre-ordering a little after they started selling the book here Saturday evening.
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quote:Originally posted by Damien.m: i think harry is a horcrux.it all comes from riddle thinking that theres nothing worse than death. he made harry a horcrux because he thought there would be no way harry would sacrifice himself
Then why is he trying to kill Harry (thus destroying part of his soul)?
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Because he knows that particular piece of his soul is in his mortal enemy - we discovered in OotP that Harry and LV can pretty much sit in on what each other is up to, and LV doesn't want Harry to become a super-legilimens and start reading his mind. He's also got enough shards of his soul away from his body that destroying one won't do anything. Dumbledore did say he probably doesn't notice when a Horcrux is destroyed.
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That's not the point, Vid- Voldemort tried to kill Harry as a baby, remember, before Harry survived the Avada Kedavra that crippled him. It would make zero sense for Voldemort to purposely turn the child he is about to murder into a Horcrux, as (if all goes as planned), said child will be dead shortly. I suppose he could have been planning to turn Harry's corpse into a Horcrux, but decomposition probably annihilates soul shards as well as any other method of Horcrux-destruction.
Now, Harry accidentally receiving some Horcruxy properties from Voldemort's misfired Avada Kedavra, that I could believe. But there's no way Voldemort arrived at Godric's Hollow with the intention of making Harry Potter into a Horcrux.
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Tarrsk's second paragraph sums up my feelings on the subject pretty well. Which begs the question, why am I even posting. *insomnia strikes* Posts: 4116 | Registered: Apr 2002
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Good point Tarrsk however we cannot say what voldemorts true motives were that night in godrics hollow. for instance, why did he bring someone to godrics hollow with him? now before you start saying that we have no evidence there was someone there with him think about this. how did he get his wand back??? he could not have taken it with him as he was only a soul fragment. and who destroyed the house? hagrid said he found the house in ruins but avada kedavra doesnt inflict any damage.
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quote:now before you start saying that we have no evidence there was someone there with him
But we do have evidence (sort of). Rowling said in an interview right after HBP came out that there was someone else present, though she didn't say who it was.
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