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Beach Boys?They just sing about girls and cars and California all the time. And surfing with girls who drive T birds in California and wear bikinis.
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quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: I don't think I buy that Orin. Some of the best music from the Beatles era is the same few chords over and over and over again, and people latched onto that like it was god himself shaking people's hands.
The Beatles themselves employed some of the most advanced harmonic and formal techniques ever seen in folk-type music, and their understanding of the music was very deep (although they were supposedly musically "illiterate," since they didn't read sheet music at all).
Other artists were not as adventurous, or else they relied on other parts of their music to be distinctive. Its true that some groups in virtually every genre will be repetitive and derivative, and country is no exception.
In fact I think what I dislike about country is the social aspect, which accompanies the music. It is IN the music too, the odd mix of conservatism and rebellion spirit which I find not to my own liking. I think all the country I ever listened to has failed to convince me either of the values it extols, or the sincerity of the songwriters. So with country I feel bored, unconvinced, and manipulated most of the time.
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I like anything good (by my standards, obviously) regardless of what genre it's in. Some of my favorite genres are classic rock (Kansas, Rush, The Shadows, Eagles, Led Zeppelin, Queen, etc.), indie rock (American Analog Set, The Arcade Fire, Modest Mouse, The Flaming Lips...) some metal (mostly Iron Maiden and Megadeth) and reggae (mostly Bob Marley). And if I'm in the mood, the jam rock, ska, garage kind of stuff (Dispatch, Sublime, OAR...stuff like that).
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Toad, which'ns did you listen to? My personal favorites off that particular CD are "Simple Lies," "Clean Sheets (and a dirty mind)," and "Shame."
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I listened to Shame and Clean Sheets. Both sounded pretty good to me. Have you read the lyrics to B.Y.O.B.? They're pretty intricate, like any other System song.
For Jam rock, there's nothing like the Grateful Dead.
Iron Maiden Rocks.
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Orincoro: That's kind of funny you think country is repetitive, because I was listening to Bach the other day (the Brandenbergs 1&5) and thinking how generally repetive they were: essentially verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus. The only thing that redeems the 5th is that rockin' harp cadenza. I'm not really disagreeing with you, but amused at the coincidence because I seriously thought that yesterday. On the other hand, I really do hate country too. I just hear it and the hairs on my arms stand up. Something about the lack of musicality in the singing? No idea. Yeesh.
Flaming Toad: Re: jam rock, you should listen to Widespread Panic if you haven't already! They are great and still performing.
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I went to her concert a few weeks ago and I'm so pumped!
Lyrhawn, you should check out Ralph (pronounced Rafe) Vaughan Williams' Symphonies 4, 5, 6, and 9. 4 was right before WWII so it is very... like Holst's Mars (Holst and Vaughan Williams were friends). 5 was hopeful, 6 and 9 were... cold war.
The other amazing singer I've recently found is Hayley Westenra. Very pure voice (it isn't ironic one of her albums is named Pure).
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quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: The Beatles themselves employed some of the most advanced harmonic and formal techniques ever seen in folk-type music, and their understanding of the music was very deep.
quote:Originally posted by Kristen: Orincoro: That's kind of funny you think country is repetitive, because I was listening to Bach the other day (the Brandenbergs 1&5) and thinking how generally repetive they were: essentially verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus. The only thing that redeems the 5th is that rockin' harp cadenza. I'm not really disagreeing with you, but amused at the coincidence because I seriously thought that yesterday.
I was thinking about this very topic today during my jog.
This is a function of the role of Bach's music in the lives of his audience. There was no recorded music, so he could "get away" with doing quite a bit more of the same music over and over again. In fact he was not padding the peices at all, but instead filling a demand and responding to a fashion which predates him. For Bach peices it's important to remember that his audiences were not often familiar with his body of work and style, nor with the peices themselves. A peice was heard once, and that was that, so repetition ensured memorability. If you were listening to a Bach concerto for the first time, and it was your first such peice of music (the most well crafted concerto ever written, or that you had ever heard, essentially), you would want to hear the same elements several times over because they are so beatiful. Additionally, performers could learn more music faster if it was the same music, but slightly transformed over time.
There is a very good reason why Bach begins to sound repetitive over 3 hours of music, and country begins to sound repetitive in 30 minutes. There is just more depth in Bach, and the repetitions wear well on his music, even in the current listening climate of ipods and earbuds.
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Ok, now I'm on my classic recommendation mode. Someone please distract me before I spend all night on this...
Rimsky-Korsakov: Scheherazade Modest Mussorgsky: Pictures at an Exhibition Erik Satie: Sports et divertissements, Gnossienne, Nocturnes Debussy: La Mer, Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune (Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun) Holst, Hammersmith Copland, Symphony 3
Well, I'll have to put the rest on hold because I got sidetracked:
She is on tour, east coast and Canada, so you might check her myspace website and go hear her! (the live shots above are from her current tour)
A thing about Imogen. She made her own record label, so if you haven't heard about her it is because she is her own distributor, vs having the big "evil" companies promote her (guess they do have a purpose...). In case you haven't watched any of the vids yet, she is her own band too (except for when she was in Frou Frou and a few songs with Zoe Keating).
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Human, I am more a fan of "Nocturnes" by Debussy, instead of "lapres midi d'un faune." Especially "Nuage" is such a sexy peice of music, it's really got everything you could want- except for the oboe solo. of course, no reason you can't like both!
If your list is purely 20th century, then what would be your selections from Rachmoninoff, Bartok or Shosokovich? And what about Berg or Messian, or even Shoenberg (not for me though, bleh).
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Rachmoninoff - I never really learned anything of his. Didn't he have that death march? Shosokovich - ditto Bartok - Anything and everything by him. I actually never heard any one piece of his as sticking out.
If you want "20th century" then I'd say: Messiaen's canyons Ive's unanswered question Steve Reich John Adams
I'd have to investigate them more to pick individual pieces. I never really did pick favorites from them. Considering I can't get enough of Imogen, I kinda doubt I'll look into it soon.
I don't really like Berg too much, at least not what I studied. And Schoenberg? Pft... Even current "20th century" composers agree a lot of his ideas are not the greatest. Purely random music? I prefer my cat walking on a piano.
Another comment about Imogen. About everything she does in her music is something I've wanted to do. So listening to her is like listening to the music I've always wanted to compose.
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I agree about Shoenberg, and yes, his compositions haven't stood up well to time.
Shostokovich is amazing, you should jump on that bandwagon. He wrote a number of really devine string quartets and some orchestral music which is just heavenly. He was a very consonant composer.
Reich- I'm playing in "electric counterpoint" at the end of the month. CRAZZY! Awesome. Pat Methaney might come- he's in the area. (He will never come but I have convinced myself he might show.)
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Orinoco, I work in a media library and we have recordings of nearly everything. You give me a listening list, anything, Schoenberg even, and I'll listen to it all (or what I have) if you watch all of the Imogen Heap links I posted (including the interviews).
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you burned me with the war of the worlds music... but alright I'll check out your imogen stuff. I'll give you a short list of my picks of the 20th century soon- although it won't be comprehensive since I only really got into 20th century music about 8 months ago!
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Hehehe! Well, this stuff is a bit... newer and current. My new catch phrase is "relevant".
And think about it, at least you get to torture me a bit if you want! "Oh PLEASE don't make me listen to..." hehehe
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Toad, have you ever heard that Disturbed song "God of the Mind?" I can't figure out where to get my hands on it. I think it was on a soundtrack, but I don't remember which one.
It was that song that went: "You want a god, but you're never gonna give in to me. You wanna deity like me..."
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Pantera, Metallica, Disturbed, Nitro, Dream Theater, AC/DC, Van Halen, The Doors(my lulluby was Touch Me), Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Neil Young, Billy Joel, Joni Mitchell, Fleetwood Mac, Lynard Skynard, and the Practical Magic soundtrack
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quote:Modest Mouse is indie rock? What does that make Franz Ferdinand?
Given that the one and only qualification for the Indie Rock genre is an independent record label...neither is indie rock.
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